Fast Jet Visual Approach with Minimum Fuel!
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- A visual recovery to RAF Valley post an Air Combat Sortie. I'm low on fuel so elect to do a 'visual run in and break' (VRIAB) to get ahead of my playmates who are out to the west conducting a pairs approach for their training.
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Love your content. I used to watch Hawks and other aircraft flying when I was living in N. Wales. Great memories.
I worked at Valley on the airfield aircratft arresting systems,,barriers ans cables across the runways. Loved my time there. many a happy hour in the Octagon in Bangor!
Haven’t seen many landings, and certainly none like this with the rudder swerve ... that was wild!
You play DCS a lot of the community would benefit from these tutorials.
Brilliant again. Gave a great insight into how aircraft break into the circuit. A lot going on in a short space of time. Just love it! Superb.
I live right at the end of the mach loop so I always get to see a c130 Hercules come out of it. We also do get f15s and t2 aerospace hawks at high altitude it's pretty cool
Great insight into emergency landing and approach. I worked at Valley myself and serviced the emergency undercarriage blow down systems. This would include the nitrogen bottle and gauges situated in undercarriage bay checked on your walk around. . Squibs were changed by armorers. Blow down functions on jacks all this only operational with complete Engine failure rat deployment, emergency hyd system . All good stuff.
This is fabulous Tim, please keep them coming
Paul
Thank you Tim yet another wonderful video, if your ever over Hurn tip your wings for us at Bournemouth Aviation Museum :)
Incredibly informative and well put together, Keep these up! big fan!
Absolutely spot on, loved watching that! 👌✈
I'm really enjoying these. Please keep them coming. Thanks.
Absolutely fantastic tim, I'm an air cadet from Hull and I'm attending a camp at valley in spring, it would be my dream to one day become a fast jet pilot in the RAF
Interested to know - did you make it?
thats exactly how my landings look in flight sim.
honestly XD
Easy-peasy. Thanks for the HUD display explanation.
been photographing the hawks for a year or so at RAF valley and down in the mach loop with the USAF F-15s
love these Tim thankyou .. and stay safe
Great video, very informative and well put. Happy flying
It's a very fantastic video, and I enjoyed it, thank you.
I've been watching a lot of landing videos of hawk t1/t2 on youtube.
One thing I'm curious about is that the hawk's flare distance is very short compared to other fighters.
Am I wrong or is there any special reason?
Hi Tim, another great video!. Your videos are very informative and I've learned a lot from watching them. Cheers, Simon
Hey Tim, this is a perfect example of maximising your flight time / fuel. You could program your bingo fuel into the hawk T2 so that it gave you an audible and visual warning - how did you do it on the hawk T1?
You couldn't do it in the T1, you just had to do the maths, which you also did in the T2 but the T2 could shout at you when you were in air combat to let you know to stop being silly and go home.
Really enjoy these videos. Thanks Tim
Nice to see 4 Sqn in the air. I was with them in Gutersloh with the leaping heaps.
YOU ARE THE BOSS.
So what happens if you come back with lots of fuel? Is it wasted or do you have to burn it all off or dump before landing?
It doesn't really happen because the sortie is planned to maximise your fuel but if weather or malfunctions do force you home because you can't carry out your planned exercise then in some aircraft you can dump (Tornado) but the Hawk can't so you put the airbrake out and fly a higher power setting until you are at a safe weight for landing. It's all to do with landing roll, the heavier you are, the higher your approach speed and the longer the landing roll, hotter the brakes etc.
@@FastJetPerformance Thanks for the reply that's really interesting. I've been learning DCS for about a year now so find it interesting to hear how things are done in the real world.
@@Ventura60kts I run the DCS Shadowlands server for guys who want to learn for real on DCS - check my video that I'll post later today.
@@FastJetPerformance Brilliant can't wait!
Nice work... Just a quick question - If you're low on gas, why do the initial and pitch manoeuvre? Surely in an ATC environment, you could have just joined the base leg and landed immediately? I'm not knocking what you did, just curious. Awesome videos by the way!
Yes, I could and it's been discussed by many a pilot. There doesn't seem to be a more fuel efficient method of the two so it comes down to traffic (other aircraft about) or environmentals (weather, wind etc).
@@FastJetPerformance Awesome. Thanks for the reply Tim. Well in that case, you have to do the run in and break, because it's just too damn cool. Thanks again!
Hi , when Tim says down flap , 7 seconds (5.14) Is that to full flap position, i.e no mid position? would the nose pitch up at 180kts full flap or is that buried in the turn.Thanks
Yes, on the break, the down flap is one selection from nothing to 'down' and it does pitch the nose up but that is into the turn which helps - we must be into the turn before flap selection else we would get a pitch up movement whilst straight and level which would need significant trimming out.
Thanks Tim ! Much appreciated.Combination of videos/HUD /commentary is an excellent contribution.
Hi
Saw your video and I am fairly sure you get countless commets like this but I would like some advice if that is possible. I am 14 years old, in secondary education, and predicted B or above (or equivalent) in 12 GCSEs. I have got a total of 12 hours of flight time in both civilian and military aircraft (helicopters and light prop aircraft). I am a member of the ATC and an ex member of RAF scouts. I am physically and mentally fit and no enflicting medical issuesn. I was just wondering if I had a chance of becoming a pilot in the Royal Air Force and if so what possible education options would i need to choose. Thank you very much for even just reading this comment and I would be extremely pleased if I got a reply.
Thanks
Jack
I also appoligise for not using correct spelling and punctiation as my phone is broken leaving it hard to type correct letters and symbols.
You seem on the right tracks. I studied maths and physics at A level then Engineering at university, pilots tend to study the sciences but check with the RAF careers office or ask at your ATC Squadron.
Fast Jet Performance
Ok Thanks for reply and a final question, how would I actually apply because would it be through an RAF Careers office or would it be best to apply for a scholorship or Univursity Air Squadron?
Thanks Again.
Jack.
am i reading this situation correctly??
you were out on a (non training) air combat sortie and returned to a commercial airport?
if so ... do you just insert yourself into the pattern?
Negative, it was a syllabus sortie where I was playing the bad guy vs two other aircraft so, to maximise student training, we run fuel to the limit and the recovery was back into RAF Valley, military, where I came from, and they are very used to us doing this.
If one is used to airliners this is so odd. He makes two 180° turns just like that, hardly any displacement to the runway and 20s from line up to touchdown.
It's the fastest and safest way to get on the ground for us.
Hi Tim, could you explain a little more about the “barrier speed”? What exactly is the barrier? Thanks!
Apologies, it's a 'net' essentially that is stretched at the departure end of the runway to catch any jets that have an engine failure on take off. The entry speed is dependant on the 'run out' of the barrier before it reaches a static object such as a fence or a road. You calculate 'entry' speed based on this.
Great video. Got a question if you don't mind. Say you are the point where you're going to break into the circuit and you get your bingo call. Why would you divert to another field and redo an approach if you're already most of the way through with your first approach ?
Thanks for posting.
+Yann Mazzocchin Great question, thanks for asking! Normally you would inform all agencies that you were bingo fuel with a 'minimum fuel' call. That let's ATC prioritise you over other aircraft but they don't have to. If you get to your divert fuel and haven't landed as in your example - you call a 'Pan' and then you'd expect ATC to make all other aircraft go around. If they don't - you must divert because if an aircraft was to land in front of you and 'black the runway' (make it unusable because they crash/burst a tyre) then you won't be able to land there OR now have enough fuel to divert.
+Tim Davies Oh it does make sense now, thank you for the prompt response !
+Fast Jet Performance At Coltishall in the caravan had a 4 ship Jaguars just run and break and a 4 ship Tornado called up long finals straight in approach fuel priority. First I knew of them as with the Jags. Made life interesting for all involved for a few minutes.
Yann Mazzocchin
It depends on various factors. The weather traffic in the circuit play a major factor. He could call fuel priority which gives him the priority he would require. However, if he has been briefed to divert on bingo fuel then he would have no option
Low airspeed, close to the ground, no real major crosswind to speak of and a rudder kick inducing yaw just before touchdown.... too scary for me, but interesting technique.
There is a crosswind, not huge, but the rudder used is so that the aircraft touches down straight on the centerline. It's the technique taught by Central Flying School of the Royal Air Force, the world's oldest air force.
Question, if you are inbound and over Holyhead to Val, and you go bingo. what is the next nearest airport please? just asking because if you are 8 miles from Val, where could you divert to please?
You just go to Mona early if over Holyhead so you'd stay high, low power and low speed and head to Mona. But, in all honesty, you know beforehand that you'll be bingo as you approach Valley from the upper air (20,000 ft ish) so this would be an unlikely scenario as you'd never plan to go to Valley in this case or you'd call an emergency early and land at Valley.
@@FastJetPerformance Super quick answer, thank you Sir. I had not even considered Mona, I wrongfully assumed the closest was Caernarfon ( North Wales Air Academy). I used to occasionally see your predecessors doing "Hunter Killer" as my late uncle used to call it off Aberdaron / Bardsey. Early 70's to early 80's, always loved to watch my own personal air show. Stay safe. Thank you for your service.
Hi Tim, loving the vids, thank you. Just wondering why the 'studs' are used when the frequencies are public domain anyway?
simpilot757 they are all in the public domain, have a search online or in the photographer forums, I know they've got them somewhere.
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For the same reason that you have preprogrammed channels on your TV and don’t manually tune each individual frequency to watch a tv channel - it’s just quicker and easier.
Thanks for these videos Tim, really informative for even us wanna be pilots playing with our sims. A question though, you mention the E bar in connection with the Gear which is clear to see but you also talk of the Flap traveling. Is there a Flap indication on the HUD that I just don't see?
+klem lao Apologies for the late reply I've been away. There is no indication of flap selection in the HUD but you will see a reduction of 'alpha' when the flap is selected (bottom left above the 'G'.)
+Fast Jet Performance Thanks Tim.
Hi Tim please explain the air brake limitations thanks
Pete, the airbrake needs to be in before the gear is selected down else it will travel in any way but on an emergency system. We cannot land with the airbrake out as it is underneath the aircraft and would strike the runway before the wheels causing damage. It can be deployed throughout the aircraft speed range but not when the gear is down. The gear causes so much drag that the airbrake is not needed when the gear is down.
Are there any limitations on MIL aircraft in civilian airspace ? Or do you have free reign ?
We have to comply with civilian rules but can use a military air traffic agency designed to facilitate expeditious movement of military traffic as our flights tend to be out of the Airways structure or at very low level which differs from civilian flying.
I'm impressed. As a flight simmer I always try to look that smooth, but I never get it that smooth. Since I know I'm never going to be a real life pilot, this is the best I can do, so don't judge me. But how do you train that smootheness effectively?
Power, Attitute, Trim. Set the power you need as you set the attitude and trim out the control forces. The key is trimming, not forcing the aircraft but setting the parameters that are required for the aircraft to do what you want it to do.
Fast Jet Performance way more trimming.. Got it. Thanks.
This is why I am neither a bold nor old pilot.
AWESOME VIDEO.!!!!
My deceased brother Dr.J.J. Miasik PhD Nuclear/Chemical Physics was told by the RAF fighter school that he had the potential to be an excellent fighter pilot, had it not been for the fact that he could not kill? What a complete carrot (Welsh for MORON) my brother was! The RAF taught him how to fly fast jets but he could not pull the trigger?
"Fast jet performance " Have you flown the Typoon ??
Did ATC say
aerodrome??
Yep, they do that sometimes.
Oh well..... times change :-)
I thought bingo was the point at which you had to break off a combat mission and return home
Yeah, it's helpful to have FUEL.....to fight. To fly. Bingo= MINIMUMS
Minimum fuel to land elsewhere. Came from US Navy operations, if a carrier deck was blacked, so crew had to divert to land (on actual land). A for Aircraft Carrier deck, B for Bingo field. In “The Hunt for Red October”, crew calls bingo at half way ‘cos basically they have nowhere else to go but back to the deck they came from (and its a film, not real life, but reasonably well researched).
Fantastic!
Why divert, if you’re at your home aerodrome? I must’ve missed something. Sorry
Because you'd have to assure that there was nobody else ahead of you to land because they could blow a tyre and black the runway (make it unavailable) so you just declare a Mayday and divert to another field of that's the case.
Fast Jet Performance aha! I knew there was a reason I just couldn’t figure it out. Thanks so much for the info!!
Great video thanks but I am slightly confused as to why if you hit bingo fuel you would divert to Mona which is a greater distance from where you were why would you not go to Valey which is closer?
Barnem13 +Yann Mazzocchin Great question, thanks for asking! Normally you would inform all agencies that you were bingo fuel with a 'minimum fuel' call. That let's ATC prioritise you over other aircraft but they don't have to. If you get to your divert fuel and haven't landed as in your example - you call a 'Pan' and then you'd expect ATC to make all other aircraft go around. If they don't - you must divert because if an aircraft was to land in front of you and 'black the runway' (make it unusable because they crash/burst a tyre) then you won't be able to land there OR now have enough fuel to divert. You'd land at Valley if the runway was deemed for your sole use, if aircraft were ahead of you and already cleared to land then you'd be better off diverting early with as much fuel as you can keep hold of.
What is alpha
Please do another vid
So you're low on fuel, but you fly over the airport and do some aerobatics before landing???? massive confusion
I enter the circuit pattern, a straight in approach like an airliner flies uses up more fuel.
Minimal fuel makes no sense as you could just top up on ground
I never win at Bingo.... :/
Man you can’t do steep turns very well you gained 400 ft
You what pal
GymclassDiesel ...From his commentary that he needed to get back to 1000ft that was intentional.
Hot dog 🌭
Yeah well if it was solar you would not need petrol
Joking btw. Good job spot on
Excellent flying. While you were out practicing your countrymen have decided that pointed kitchen knives, "there is no reason for them in the modern world," says Church of England. So, you guys can't own real firearms, and now they want to take away your pointed kitchen knives. Just how neutered of a country are you going to become?
Just one that doesn't kill its schoolchildren.
@@FastJetPerformance
Please don't be that guy, the guy who gives up his freedom because of some asshole's actions. The reason why we are STILL the world's Superpower is because of our individual liberties. Conversely, It's why your country continues to slide down the list. Good luck looks like your county is going to need it.
@@wessonsmithjr.6257 Some of you aren't even allowed your keep your genitals intact, not very much liberty there!
keep your awesome videos coming. I am from Gwynedd so see plenty of low flying aircraft. Also I am an avid flight simmer and find your videos very informative.
You're not having fun to the fullest if you're not at min fuel on landing ;)
FACTS RIGHT HERE, LOL!
Actually the RAF demands that we maximise sortie length but, yes - probably ran that one a little tight :)
Tim, what is the tactical reason for performing a VRIAB? I can understand its use during a formation flight, to separate and sequence the aircraft for landing. Maybe that is the only reason to perform a VRIAB? Red Arrows performing VRIAB is a good example.
Much confusion on this, and can't find information about it
It's the most expeditious recovery for us and safest if in hostile territory as the RAF Regiment would have secured the perimeter of the airfield. We come in fast so, once the aircraft is 'inside the wire' and on the break, it is hard to target by the bad guys.
+Fast Jet Performance that clears things up, thanks.