Destiny Uses Trump Card To Win Debate, Opponent Folds Immediately
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- Destiny debates Sinthe on guilt by association ft. Pisco...
Date: 21 May, 2022
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@@Dafydd4 Fuck beat me too it 🤣
@@Dafydd4 ur mom
This guy is just proving Destiny’s point. People like him are why Destiny doesn’t want to engage with that discord lmao
Debate bros annoy me more than crazy leftists on twitter
Haha I was JUST about to make the same joke, true!
@@marksneed6639 Let us not go too far now
What is the context of this
He's the guy who can't take no for an answer. I hope he calms down and stops being such an npc.
This dude managed to get a 2 hour debate out of his inability to understand what "association" means.
I'm not even mad, listening to that stupidity was impressive.
He's a genius pretending to be 25 IQ Andy
I'm not guilty of being a meat eater, I just associate with meat eating friends. I eat meat with them, but that's just guilt by association.
He would argue a dictionary he's that dum
ASSociation lmao
Nothing annoys me more than someone being smug AND stupid.
Being both should be a crime.
Fuck right?!
Baffling when you have the collective knowledge of human history at the tips of your fingers.
hasan
@SlamScum you'll never get me, coppers!
So everyone has committed said crime.
There's a pretty strong correlation between the 2, although maybe to be more accurate, people with a smug attitude are very rarely as smart as they think they are. They're usually just a little bit smarter than an idiot, so they think that makes them a super giant big brain.
I literally don't think Destiny could've found a better person to indicate exactly why he doesn't want to be involved with these debate lord communities.
So true. The guy doesn't have the self awareness to distinguish his own personality from other people. Holy fuck. No wonder he refused to reveal his age, he's probably a kid.
The first hour is just this guy pretending to not know the difference between participation and association.
The problem is they debate for the sake of debating, they dont give any ground or argue in good faith all they wanna do is donk on people without even having the proper knowledge or facts on their side.
“Destiny do you really think that all medical practitioners fear veganism?” No
“Then why would you say ‘an apple a day keeps the doctor away?’”
I'm only 16 mins into this and this is a hard meme in the direction this could actually go lol
fruitarians*
This guy is literally proving destiny’s point live, the irony is lost on him
What are you going to do. Human is good to human.
Perfect example why you don't want to have anything to do with these debate lords. It's incredibly obnoxious. After 10 minutes, I cannot understand why Destiny wastes his time and sanity with these kind of idiots.
This guy is the Oroboro of circlejerks
I hate people like this dude. They honestly think speaking with a calm voice makes you reasonable. Not letting people finish a sentence so you can respond to segments of a full thought, while taking the worst possible interpretations of that unfinished thought, is just as if not more unreasonable than a dude yelling and screaming. These types of people are fucking unbearable
That's the thing, at the beginning at least he did let destiny finish, he just didn't understand destiny at all, which is fascinating when you think about how simple to concept is.
Tru
It's ironic as fuck that this guy is tone policing destiny while at the same time complaining about his tone.
This guy is outright copying his entire cadence and vocal tone from AY. It's a freaky cult.
@@edithboozy1000 The guy doesnt understand guilt by association.
Not only do they debate the point, they fully demonstrate why nobody wants to talk with this debate server. Absolutely next level!
Not only do they -debate the point- utterly fail to grasp and argue the point, they fully demonstrate why nobody wants to talk with this debate server. Absolutely next level!
@@synlion ok....what was the point they failed to grasp/argue?
@@rapidashrorschachtest430 are you deaf lol every point whe nright over this boys head lmao
@@rapidashrorschachtest430 I haven’t gone back to watch the video, but as far as I remember the main point the debate bro completely failed to understand was that being part of a certain community, participating in it as an active member is not the same thing being associated with a group or individual members of it. He also just didn’t understand that destiny has nothing against the guy either morally or otherwise, he just doesn’t want to debate him.
Don't ask Destiny to use debate tactics. You won't like arguing with him when he uses debate tactics.
Destiny figuratively said been there done that
Hulkstiny
@@sigmundsigma6888 he literally said it.
Destiny can eat a LOT of pizza. Don’t question it.
Destiny barely debated just played piano most of the time and they argued over the dumbest shit ever.
"Your guilt by associating him because youre saying he's in this discord group"
"He's a leader and active participant in this group"
"Exactly, guilt by association"
Brain rot at its finest
"I'm looking at their actions. An action is not an association"
"So it's the act of associating, right?"
For his sake, I hope he's just really dishonest and bad faith and not that stupid.
The zoomer voice just made it so much better
I mean, to be fair, yes, that is guilty by association which is correct. The issue is that it's not *just* guilt by association. Just like how if you're guilty of First Degree Murder, you are *also* guilty of Attempted Murder. And then some dumbass unaware that the more serious charge exists keeps hammering in on the lesser accusation, which is true, but keeps pretending that's the *only* issue on the table.
Bro it was unbearable. Then he would fucking call destiny the idiot. I fucking get enraged by the smugness. This is the same dude he had a trans in sports “debate” with that was almost as unbearable right?
@@rocketrelm1125 I'm pretty sure guilt by association is about like, treating someone as guilty of an action done by someone else, when the former has nothing to do with that action, or even condones it. If you know a person that plays tennis, you are not guilty of playing tennis.
Lol they really set the tone for the debate with that “you think Avi is a nazi?”. Like damn dude couldn’t grasp a simple hypothetical.
“Come on, Peas-co. You know he chose that analogy for a very particular reason.”
For someone from a debate community, it’s awfully strange that he hasn’t realized that extreme and silly analogies and hypotheticals are the easiest and fastest to think up, and they’re just as useful-unless your interlocutor is bad faith and extends the analogy to apply to more than it was intended.
He literally just made an analogy because his point was a little bit abstract. It’s not hard to understand the abstract point and by being too confrontational to understand his point it only makes him look stupid once he refuses to act like he understood Destiny.
@@jelko2850 in your experience what do u with someone like Destiny’s opponent (dunno the name)?
I see three options. U hammer the same point, u abstract the point to general terms or u analogize the point.
Are any of these options even productive in this scenario? What are the other options?
He saw the lowest hanging fruit and immediately grabbed it
@@ooglyboogly2989 I would go with set theory.
I do not debate people in the group X. Person (a) is in the group X, therefore I do not debate person (a).
Person (b) is not in the group X, but is a friend of person (a). I will debate person (b) if they want to.
If this does not work I don't know what will.
This guy is so cool, I’m sure he debates and intellectually owns his girlfriend’s boyfriends all the time.
I’ve seen him on tic tok. He normally debates retards. So he’s not used to losing. It showed so much, like he tried so hard not to lose😂
Are you alluding to polygamy? Perhaps Destiny and him are not so different after all…
lol, Destiny is the only debater where that copy pasta is hard to make out if you're talking about Destiny or the opponent. Just because of the literal fact of the matter
He clearly realized how stupid his position was so he found something he could cling to and repeat over and over as a cope. _Classic_ cognitive dissonance.
Exactly this, his ego was too big to take the L lol
That’s charitable I think he was to Inconceivably stupid and arrogant
Yup, anytime you have to constantly repeat your question after it's been answered multiple times, you've clearly lost the argument.
If you feel that the answer isn't satisfactory, then attack the answer directly. Don't just repeat the same phrases over and over, because it looks like you're not honestly engaging in the conversation i.e trying to get an "own".
“In my framework, I’m still technically correct”
In order to experience cognitive dissonance, he'd have to actually have a concrete position, which I doubt he did. His end goal was never to defend the guilt by association thing. His goal was to get some epic debate dunks, and it stayed that way until the bitter end.
This guy actually won the argument by proving that Destiny could in fact debate whoever this Afi person is since they couldn't possibly be worse than this guy.
@@huntertobey6965 if avi stans are like this guy... i doubt it avi is any better...
@@huntertobey6965 lol... if avi stans are ppl who follow listen and like avi which are all choices ppl make to particpate in avi's community, its not guilt by association. they are members of avi's community. guilt by association would be random discord servers cause they are on discoard. my point is here is an avi stan and said stan cant fathom guilt by association argument. and you seem like an avi stan and you cant fathom it. thus now 2 avi stans seem to be unable to understand a basic fallacy which means avi's community seems really dumb which means he isnt that smart if his community lacks ppl who are smart enough to fathom the the fallacy... your only proving my point...
@@huntertobey6965 lol my argument is avi is dumb and he courted stans that seem dumb too. avi isnt guilty of anything, if theres ppl who defend a rapist, id think they are pro rape. if someone builds a community and a member of that communityu comes out and sound dumb, i think the leader is dumb. its not guilt by association its that ppl go where they fit in. a dumb person building a community will attract dumb ppl, just like a metal band attracts metal heads. kpop has kpop stans. my argument had nothing to do with guilt by association cause i never made that argument i just said lol avi stan is dumb, i wonder if avi is dumb too. then you decided to comment into this thread as an avi stan..making the same dumb argument...are you gonna call for back up cause if more avi stans join in then its possible to out more dumb ppl being avi stans.
@@huntertobey6965 how droll. Living vicariously, deeply invested in an internet daddy’s hypothetical debates 🌬💨
@@huntertobey6965 How is Destiny 'running from him' they have debated before, many times.
Destiny debated heaps of people in that Discord server 5 years ago.
Been there, done that and has moved on .
If Avi wants to keep doing the same shit for the rest of his life that's his choice, but it's unreasonable to be surprised when others move on.
Steven does mention it at the start of this debate; but the last person he debated from that server was last year and was super weird.
The dude was walking around his city, even got the bus during the debate lol. And was super monotone and boring as fuck.
He said at the time that i reminded him why he doesn't debate anyone from that server anymore.
If this dude wasn’t bullied as a kid, then boy did his peers drop the ball
Lmfao I laughed way too hard at this!
I shouldn't laugh, but this comment is too good.
I dislike the concept of bullying, but kids like this are definity the poster children of the benefits of bullying.
The people in these discord servers are his peers. That's why he had to turn to the internet, because no one wanted to be his peer. I legitimately believe that's why the majority of people in these discord servers are there.
This is comment is golden
"I just don't want to hang out with these people."
I honestly don't understand why Synthe thinks Destiny needs to justify himself more beyond that point.
To be fair, that statement in a void could be seen as guilt by association. If I use that as justification to not hang out with John or Jeremy, then it's fine but if I use it against Ron, it's guilt by association.
@@xavi.cat.4095 I'm too small brained to understand this argument.
@@sghost128 if you assign guilt to someone solely because of who they are associated/friends with then it is guilt by association. If you assign guilt someone because of what they do, then it is not. Neither is necessarily good or bad, but the act of being in the kkk (participating in meetings, doing activities, etc.) is different from being friends with kkk members. The original statement is unqualified and could be taken to be guilt by association without further context. Especially since such reasoning is prevalent in online spaces.
@@sghost128 you just have to know the difference between participant and association, the rest makes sense after that. Then you will see how much of a moron this caller was.
@@braunana5395 I understand the section about being being friends with someone in the kkk vs being friends with someone who is friends with kkk members. What I don't understand is why "I just don't want to hang out with these people" isn't sufficient enough reason to not hang out with someone.
Yeah there is lack of context, but does it matter? Any assumptions you make about the reasoning are just baseless assumptions.
Caller: "It's guilt by association!!"
Destiny: "He's not just friends with the group, he's literally PART of that community"
Caller: "I was right!! It's guilt by association"
Jesus Christ 🤦♀️I hope Destiny has a strong whiskey near by.
Simply being friends with a nazi doesnt make you a nazi. What Steven is describing is literally guilt by association.
@@evilbob05 yes being a nazi and participating in nazi groups would make you a nazi. Having a friend who is a nazi would not necessarily make that person a nazi. The latter is guilt by association.
@@evilbob05 What about going to NAZI meetings? Would you agree that person is not a NAZI because they just show up for the snacks?
@@purplemonkeydishwasher9818 yes but what steven is saying is that this guy is "a participating member of a certain community" unfortunately simply participating in a community infamous for displaying certain unpleasant behaviours isnt enough to say that someone isn't worth engaging with. You'd have to show some recent evidence of that claim, just like everything else. Steven is just going off old data.
@@evilbob05 Destiny is saying that Avi is a literal member of that group. That’s not “guilty by association”. Guilty by association would be like saying that Avi’s friends must share the same beliefs as that group if they are friends with Avi who is a member or it. Now you could argue Destiny is wrong and Avi is not a member, or that being a member is not indicative of anything problematic, but those are different arguments. Trying to pick apart the “guilt by association” thing is being purposely obtuse
I refuse to believe this guy isn't being intentionally obtuse when not understanding the difference between association and participation in those associated groups.
I can hear the guy in Synth's ear: "Call it guilt by association. DO NOT acknowledge that participation is different than association. Just keep him arguing."
The weird thing is, he did acknowledge that, but then he kept going in circles as if he didnt acknowledge it
@@fourtyseven47572 Exactly! That’s the whole debate and he conceded yet continued as if he didn’t. Instead, he deflected by dismissing Destiny’s DIRECTLY analogous examples
The whole point of guilt by association is that you are connected to a demonized group or bad person. You are guilty by simply being "similar" to the group and or person. Meaning, because Bob, who is white and loves black people, who happens to be friends with Frank, a KKK member, isn't guilty by association of Frank because Bob isn't a KKK member nor is he similar or associated with the group--that would be fuckin stupid otherwise.
Even if Bob hated black people too, if he wasn't a part of the KKK and just kept his racism private, that doesn't make him guilty by association of Frank because that would imply anyone Frank knows is guilty by association--which again, is fucking stupid.
"Not only does he frequently spent time in that server and actively shapes it, they have a tiering system in which he shares the highest spot with Ask Yourself, both of them propped up as shining examples for other to follow. They literally officially embody what this toxic community values."
"So you are saying guilt by association?"
When destiny copied his rhetoric... I honestly couldn't tell them apart after that 😂
"Anyone who is listening to this can tell I'm pretty calm right now." He thinks his soft talking is hiding how on edge he is.
It's called passive AGGRESSIVE. Just because you sound kinda calm doesn't mean you're not being rude, obviously annoyed, smarmy, etc. Though I guess he's used to associating with autists who are a bit disconnected from understanding that kind of stuff.
Listening to the intro I simply had to dispatch myself with alacrity to buy a fedora. Though I must admit I am now beset by cringe, I still tip it to you sir
I detect extreme salience in this remark post on Mr. Destiny’s RUclips page.
Axiomatically ameliorated
@@vinny5638 Which contradicts the fact that Steven "Destiny" Bonnell does not think of himself as a girl. But then why would he choose to select a name that is easily observed to belong to the foreign species known as "gril"?
so true
@@JinjaOnHere Excuse me sir, but you seem to have ignored ubiquitously ameliorating your axioms.
Destiny: “That’s like comparing apples and oranges…”
Caller: “That’s the entire problem with you, I’m trying to have a discussion and you want to talk about fruit.”
Literally this guy!
If this guy isn’t Michael Brooks reincarnate then .. 🤦🏻♂️
You know what this reminds me of? When NoBS and Destiny talked about incest. The inability to engage with metaphor or examples beyond the absolute surface level.
My favorite part that always stuck with me even after all this time is when Destiny tried to use a hamburger to explain the flaws in his debate. "So let's say someone says they hate hamburgers, but the only reason they can give is hamburgers have ketchup on them. Your problem is with ketchup." and he just couldn't engage "YOU KEEP CHANGING TOPICS BRO! YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DEFENDING INCEST" lol
This guy is the definition of bad faith arguments, it seems at least.
What, Pisco?
@@Liberaven WATCH THE VIDEO AND FIND OUT ITS PRETTY OBVIOUS
HE MEANS DESTINY ITS DESTINY
This Sinthe guy is the same who absolutely didn't want to engange with the argument in the trans athlete debates, took me ages to remember where I recognized the voice from.
@@hybridpsycho He also had a maddening debate with Destiny about PS5 scalping back in 2020 - ruclips.net/video/HK_zotBQSJQ/видео.html (but that time it didn't start getting heated until 33 minutes in).
This guy is the perfect example of the phrase: "Educated beyond ones intelligence"
you need to absolutely keep this guy in your contacts, and talk to him again in 5 years to see if he's matured enough to cringe at these moments
Nah I don't think PIsco will mature
@@Liberaven urine corporation you mean?
@@Liberaven goddamn I keep seeing you in these comments. You're 100% this kids alt account.
Rewatching this video after the Biden debate video in June 2023.
He literally hasn’t matured. Still looking for dunks in the most cringe, smug debate lord way.
@@LiberavenThat's a pretty good joke!
This dudes really all up in his feelings because destiny won’t talk to his man crush. How did this go on for over 2 hours?
This was so fucking good, that turn of his tone once you mimicked him was genius. Wish I was that good to hold up a mirror to people.
@@biggieb8900 AAARGGH!!
@@biggieb8900 ruclips.net/video/xjnxQ-qHjSw/видео.html
@@biggieb8900 About 40min in. I lost it when he started playing the piano on Pisco. 🤣 Homie was so mad when he got key'd at earlier and Pisco just kept going. 😂
The real genius move was pitting him against Piss Co.
Immovable Wall meets Unstoppable Force.
1:25:00 ish he ironically attacks Pisco using Sins argument and Sin doesn't even realize for so long
This dude is doing the equivalent of ordering chicken nuggets at a Home Depot and sperging out over what their problem is with chicken nuggets and why they have a strong moral anti-nugget position after they said "sir we sell hardware not food"
"Yes, Your Honor, the defendant was part of the group, robbing the bank, therefore it's guilt by association. Therefore he must be innocent."
“You’re claiming the defendant is in a gang just because he’s a member of a gang? Objection!”
@@TonyCox1351objection hearsay
@@TonyCox1351 he's only the leader of the gang! it's a total non-sequitur
"1 + 1 + 1 = 3"
"I see. So you just said that 1 + 1 = 3, but-"
"Wait, no I-"
"Let me finish. Can you let me finish my question?"
"Sure, go ahead."
"Right, so if we have 2 '1s' and we add them together, is that not just 2? You said it was 3, correct?"
"I said 1 + 1 +"
"You're not answering my question."
"I am answering it-"
"It's a yes or no question. Just answer it. Is 1 + 1 not equals to 2?"
"Yes but that's not what I said."
"Tell me if I'm crazy right now, because I don't get how you can possibly be debating this; Didn't the number '3' come out of your mouth in your initial statement?"
"Yes, but I said '1 + 1 + 1 = 3', not '1 + 1 = 3'"
"What are you even talking about? Doesn't the phrase '1 + 1 = 3' exist in both suppositions?"
"Yes it does but in the case of the former, a '1' is missing, which is they key part that makes it work."
"Oh, so now you're changing your position."
Trump card???? Now this is just a blatant endorsement of Donald Trump's 2024 presidency smh 🤦♂🤦♂
In a few weeks he’ll be pressing pro nazi propaganda, so sad😔
Guess Corn Guy was right about him becoming a Republican smh
@@egusisoup1826 He already does that with support of Azov with adam :) JK JK JK
Happens, you are what you eat. So replacement theory in a week bois
Letsss goo
South will rise again
Can’t wait for the nazi arc!
Lmao, I love how it's impossible to tell the difference between legitimate leftist crazies and people making fun of leftist crazies.
45:53 is all you need to see, this is actually so beautiful in a way. Destiny playing his heart out while the very exact type of conversation he wanted to avoid happens anyway
“The January 6th rioters are all just guilty by association.”
-Sinthe, probably
No, because they were involved in the riot. But if there was a discord group that all the rioters were part of and someone in that discord didn't actually do the riot, then acting towards them in an equivalent way to the rioters would be applying guilt by association
@@Liberaven No, clearly they were just associating with the riot going on.
@@Mageblood He's not the leader. It's not his community. The community, funnily enough, is AskYourself's cummunity. What your saying is like saying MRMOUTON IS THE LEADER OF THE DESTINY COMMUNITY, except that I don't even think this Avi guy is even like a mod or anything on the discord. He's just been in the community a while.
@@Mageblood I'm literally convinced this is that guy's alt.
Nobody else in the comments is trying to defend this guy more.
@@LiberavenYeah, but they were associated with the riot. So, therefore, clearly a case of guilt by association!!!
This debate if these people were normal:
Sinthe: Your tweet sounds like guilt by association.
Destiny: Well I didn't meant that. I meant I don't like what that group does and he does the same stuff.
Sinthe: Okay. That makes sense, your tweet doesn't sound that way is all.
Destiny: Yeah. Probably. I'm pretty wild on twitter.
Total debate time: 30s
Actual debate time: 7,846s. I watched it all anyway and that might clinically qualify as suicidal ideation.
Well, this wasn't about a tweet. This is apparently about what Destiny said to Xanderhal on a stream.
@@TheRedHaze3 you sure? They go on an on about a tweet (as opposed to a clip). Certainly Pisco thought it was about a tweet. Do you know where I can watch the stream you're talking about?
@@secxybear6629 No, but not long after Pisco is asking about the initial tweet, after Sinthe says it was "WHAT LOL ?!?!?!??!" or something, he says it was Destiny saying "you are who you hang with" on a Stream with Xanderhal that sparked this debate.
This debate is honestly so entertaining. That being said I’m only an hour in. Still, every time this guy completely refuses to understand the difference pisco is laying out its like an incredulous twist.
Oh god, I thought I was near the end but then I looked and I was also only an hour in. I can't imagine how this "conversation" goes on for any longer and there is an entire hour left. I thought Pisco was actually starting to get through to him.
Eh, I watched the whole thing. This guy is a classic example of someone wanting to have been correct in the past more than he wants to be correct now.
Destiny's original statement was obviously not guilt by association. The lesson is pretty obvious to anybody with a brain: if you hang out with a group of people often enough, you will start to behave like they do. So if I see you hanging out with a group of people all the time it's reasonable to assume that you behave similarly to them, at least to some degree.
This is not guilt by association, you're a card carrying member of the club. If someone were friends with you, they'd be in danger of being labeled guilty by their association with you.
@@jeffwells641 You don't even need to get that detailed with it. Simply put, participating is more than just associating with. He's purposely taking the phrase "guilty by association" way too literal. It doesn't literally mean anyone who is associated with something and seen in a negative light for it is therefore "guilty by association". There are different levels of association. There is context or lack there of that needs to be added in for that to be true or not.
it makes me wanna pull my hair out, how the f do you find it entertaining?
@@AI3Dorinte tbh the first hour was pretty entertaining. Especially when Destiny flips the debate bro speech on him and when Pisco gets pulled in. After that though I couldn't imagine going through a whole nother hour of circling around the same arguments but worded differently.
This guy literally made his mind up before he even joined the call and just held the line the entire time. lol
The saddest part is that idk if this dude has the self awareness to be embarrassed. Talking calmly ain’t hiding how mad he is and I’m just 10 minutes in. He’s clearly here to just shit on Destiny
I’ve seen this guy a couple times now, and it’s always the same thing. He always comes off as incredibly smug while being quite stupid.
It’s impressive.
He's here to simp for his friend. I bet he debates girls when they reject him, like bro, no means no.
He is the perfect example of the phrase: "Educated beyond ones intelligence"
Listening to destiny try to distinguish between guilt by association and being a member of a group with this guy is like the Patrick scene with Man Ray where Patrick says "but it's not my wallet".
I'm floored. Synthe wants to argue semantics, yet I don't think he understands that words have multiple meanings. Is he for real?
It's not that he doesnt understand, he realized that he was wrong halfway through but couldnt bear to admit it
@@Arjithki this
@@Arjithki What, Destiny?
He has a different understanding of the language being used. I wish he was semantic then he'd understand that the whole reason "guilt by" is with association shows that the person isn't participating in the action. He can't do a simple google search, Destiny gave so many clear explanations of the differences
@@ayamehachimitsu Destiny was lazy because he doesn’t respect Sinthe. The examples were not clear. There was a Motte and Bailey. The Bailey was guilt by association (being part of the community), the Motte was about his actions within that community (which when pushed were not substantiated)
People like this guy are the reason people like Destiny don't want to engage in online, debate-focused circles. He is so insufferable because he is pushing for concessions in the middle of Destiny talking. Like, if you believe the other person is wrong and doesnt have a point it is fair to push them to concede when you are in a public forum. However, you gotta wait until the argument has actually run its course.
This might be the most confidently wrong person that I've ever seen.
He would make an excellent police officer.
@@billyandersen2570 is a dumb name
@@billyandersen2570 65 IQ individuals cant become cops
The extent of this dude's argumentation tactic is to just reword things to make it *sound* like saying it's "guilt by association."
Like the discord server is an "association," and the member is "guilty," of doing things the server is known for. Therefore, him being guilty of it is "guilt by association," because he is in an association and is guilty of an action.
You can notice him doing it constantly interrupting Destiny as he's speaking, saying like, "yeah so he's *guilty* of that action," "of that association," etc etc.
He's trying to just let the loaded words make the argument for him because he is too stupid to do anything other than just saying words.
He also repeatedly falls back on "well I think it's clearly, factually, self evidently and obviously an argument for guilt by association, (but sure let's go to whatever other thing you want to talk about, I crave the attention.)"
I like how upset he's actually getting when destiny mimics him
You wish
@@Liberaven found his alt account
@@Liberaven you should keep responding to every single comment that doesn't fellate Sinthe, it totally doesn't make you look deranged.
I dunno, he sounded just like Destiny from 4 years ago at times, I bet it was easy for Destiny to mimic him.
@@Liberaven You wish
wow this was a delightful conversation. The invited guest engaged wonderfully with the conversation, and I have no idea why Destiny wouldn't want to do this more often. Big ups
I think we need Pisco to debate this guy. He’s the only one who can reach him.
He did nothing helps
@@sigmundsigma6888 yeah, I wasn’t far enough into the video yet, I was still naive and hopeful back then sadge 😞
Nah. He's an idiot. He was reduced to admitting the guy was right, but then resorted to semantics. Yes, you're correct, but that's not how "people" conceive guilt by association.
I thought were being sarcastic until I read your reply
Im late to this party, this is the first time I’ve heard pisco talk for a good while. Is he a practicing lawyer? Because he’s crazy good at keeping the conversation tightly on rails, even with sinthe doing everything he could to sabotage it. I swear it felt like I was being put under trial at some moments lmao
"Can you chill so I can finish a single sentence?"
"oh, but you're already tone policing me, are you really telling ME to chill lol?"
"When I say chill I mean stop interrupting me for one second, that's not tone policing"
"ok lol but you did ask me to chill right?"
10 minutes in, and this guy has has decided to forgo human talking skills to make what I can only assume was a massive dunk in his head.
This guy has such a broad definition of guilt by association that all it really can be used for is winning these tippy internet debates
According to this guy if you rob a bank with a friend covering your back then you shouldn't accuse the friend of robbery because that's "guilt by association".
If this is sinthe, you should see his definition of unethical.
It expands to pretty much "anyone doing anything that is not adressing the most pressing issue of society is unethical. So anyone who isnt spending their time addressing climate change was unethical.
@@Mageblood
The problem with your analogy is they're not being arrested for "participating with a group." They're being prosecuted for participating in "robbing a bank."
If you robbed the bank, it's not guilt by association, it's guilt of bank robbery.
If you didn't rob the bank, and still went down with this same group, THEN it's guilt by association.
I wouldn't even say broad. He's using a semantic idea of guilt by association. He's thinking that because Avi is "associated" with the community, that means he's guilty by. He could easily look up what the term means, I am amazed that he uses it so much(other videos ive seen with him), but doesnt know what it means.
Edit: Nevermind, he's trying to be semantic but doesn't understand the language being used.
@@Mageblood
I'm not a lawyer. But I'm pretty sure that each individual is charged with bank robbery. Unless it's part of a bigger conspiracy or organized crime thing, I don't believe there is a separate charge for, "robbing a bank as part of a group" vs "robbing a bank as an individual." Which has greater prison times and why? 🤔 that'd be an interesting debate topic.
An hr into this, and the problem is this dude doesn’t understand what “guilt by association is”, which I know that’s obvious, but still. He also takes comparisons, analogies, and hypotheticals too literally. Like he thinks Destiny is comparing whatever the persons name is with the horribleness of a KKK member or the KKK, which that’s not what Destiny is doing at all. He’s trying to illustrate the difference between having a problem with someone who is in the KKK, vs someone who is friends with someone who is in the KKK, but they aren’t in the KKK themselves. It seems like he’s either purposely pretending to not understand that comparison, or he genuinely doesn’t understand, because he fundamentally doesn’t understand what “guilt by association” means. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
definitely pretending, the reason he would not engage with that point at all is because it would have 'lost him his debate' so the result is this 2 hour Oblivion NPC loop
The guy is brain dead. But it would have been better to avoid examples with the KKK, Nazis or ISIS.
I don't like bowlers or people who bowl. Guilt by association is not liking someone who is friends with a person in a bowling league. But I don't like that person in the league. Not because he associates with the league, but to be in it, you must bowl.
Of course, I'm only an hour in and it's just a semantic discussion. Surely he would question whether this server in principle is comparable with the purpose of a bowling league.
@@JorgeAlbertoJerez 'The guy is brain dead.' - He really is, within the very first 2 min destiny has a perfect analogy with the Nazi thing and his only response was 'Oh, so you think he's a nazi now? How is that relevant'.
Show she has 0 abstract reasoning skills if he can't abstract the 'being friends with a group member vs being a participating group member' distinction.
He’s either a very perseverant troll, or actually just 50 iq who doesn’t know how analogies work
Maybe this guy reads comments;
The word association is used in two different meanings here:
1. Having some kind of relation to a group but not belonging to that group; Like knowing someone in that group
2. Being an associate; like a partner or member of said group
If these two were the same we would not have the expression "guilt by association" - If you equate these scenarios you render the expression meaningless
These definitions are helpful
And going by the first one, I think it's safe to say that avi is a participant in that group. Or at the very least, destiny believes he's an active participant.
I still don't think destiny's argument as a whole is sound but the distinction between those definitions lends credence to him saying he's not making a guilt by association argument
@@xNinjamodx out of curiousity, what parts of his argument aren't sound?
@@braunana5395 The arguments he uses as to why he won't talk to avi come off as shaky imo. Especially when he admits that he doesn't really know what kind of person avi is currently in the server.
@@xNinjamodx No one is obliged to talk to anyone else. Destiny doesn't have to give definitive reasons why he dislikes someone with detailed examples. It would be on other people to define WHY Destiny should platform someone he doesn't want to be associated with.
@@Pheonixess He doesn't have to talk to him
This is probably the most stagnant argument about pointless semantics that I've witnessed.
Go listen to the Destiny disability debate, it's nearly as bad lol
This intro is chaotic and hilarious
Some 13d chess going on there
“I don’t like debatebro culture I wanna distance myself from it”
“Haha, fallacy, not an argument, ipso facto post mortem ante jure ad hoc semper paratus”
One guy named "Ron"
Another guy named "Jeremy"
Destiny coomer brain confirmed!
Someone explain please I don't get it
@@abo88jasem ron jeremy was a famous male pornstar
@@abo88jasem the joke is destiny just randomly chose those names. Implying that destiny has seen so much porn he is subconsciously pulling up pornstar names from the ether.
Trueeeeeee
Ron Jeremy was a famous porn star, I think from the 1980s. Had a few documentaries made about him.
This guy's reasoning: Being a member of the KKK is a type of association with the KKK. So guilt for for being in the KKK is technically "guilt by association."
His problem is that his definition of "guilt be association" is wrong (equivocation fallacy for the debate bros). "Guilt by association" means guilt for associating with a person in a group while not being part of the group yourself.
Absolutely, he says and agrees with the correct definition but doesn’t know how to use the definition in practice.
The real issue is that guilt by association is an informal fallacy that deals with arguments and positions. It doesn't have anything to do with association relative to personal judgements of association.
"Your argument is invalid because you associate with John," is a guilt by association fallacy.
There's nothing fallacious however, in statement like "I don't like you because you associate with John", because the statement is a judgement OF the association itself, not something else VIA the association.
If I judge you guilty because I believe an association is bad, that's separate from saying you're guilty for X by virtue of an association.
I love when people play these obtuse and pedantic games. He clearly understand the distinction between Association and participation, but acting like there's no distinction whatsoever and confidently arguing so was hilarious. Good God, how bad faith can you get!
Don't ascribe maliciousness when you can describe stupidity.
Nah, they understood participation, but when they asked Destiny to substantiate the level of participation, Destiny said that was an 'irrelevant' and 'unknowable' detail. So..... what's the basis if participation is irrelevant... could it perhaps be his association with the group?
@@Liberaven destiny stated multiple times that the guy's "association" was a matter of being a prominent debate bro in the server. The subtext of that is the server likely debates either topics destiny is uncomfortable with, or the server is known for a style of debate that destiny dislikes. And based on many commenfs here, AY (if that is the server) is known for having a style of debate similar to the guy featured in this video. And yeah I would also get tired of being around anyone who talks this way
@@tempesttossed6029 destiny does say it's the tactics specifically that he avoids
Because participation in a group necessarily entails association with that group, he wants to paint Destiny’s argument as Guilt by Association, but association does NOT necessarily entail participation, so as long as Destiny is cool with people who associate but do not participate, then the Association is not the determining factor, it’s the participation.
This is the dumbest "debate" ever. I can't believe they argued about what guilt by association means for that long.
New here?
Him: "You seem to think that i'm trying to dunk on you or something."
Me watching the debate: "Well you keep interrupting to stop him from explaining his side."
That's what PIsco kept doing to Sinthe though
@@Liberaven yeah, Sinthe showed no ability to debate in a respectful manor so eventually pisco and Destiny gave up on respecting him, weird how that works.
@Liberaven *after synthe did it to posco
This dude is such a debate lord I would've hung up 10 minutes in
As a fedora card carrier, this guy has no relation to us. Unfortunately universal back ground checks are not required and there are money hungery private sellers out there. This guy does not reflect responsible fedora owners.
What the fuck is a fedora card carrier?
@@wolfmayner6274 Sorry you don't look fly in a fedora. It's a immutable trait. Ya got it or ya don't
Inlakesh
Gameboy Pocket 2024
Why does anyone wear a fedora? Do you wear other hats too?
that guy is what tinnitus would be if it was a person
This guy is literally every reason why Destiny doesn't want to engage in that community
I can’t believe they kept this up for an hour and a half… and that I listened to every minute.
This was like...the most infuriating conversation I EVER heard . I think my head exploded out of frustration from how obstinate and unwilling to engage this guy was
Ye I think the issue is association on its own can mean what the idiot wants it to mean but when ppl say "guilt by association" it rly means "guilt by association and not participation" but the guy might just b a lil too stupid to realize the distinction
Ikr! He just played piano and begun to troll because he knew he was wrong
@@Liberaven I meant Sinthe, not Destiny lmao. Sinthe just...it was like his brain was turned off
@@Liberaven I wonder how many more comments you'll need to reply to before someone actually agrees with you.
@@Liberaven I'm not guilty of being a meat eater, I just associate with meat eating friends. I eat meat with them, but that's just guilt by association.
He associated, and did crimes, and helped do crimes, and is actively the guy people point to as their leader, which they do crimes under. "So JUST guilt by association then???"
thanks destiny, i've been one the verge of ending my run in the video game of life for a long time and have been waiting for something to finally push me over the edge. this video did it within the first 3 minutes
Does this guy really not understand that participating in A means you’re associated with A, whereas being associated with A doesn’t mean you’re participating. He sounds so bad faith
Pisco, i would like to thank you formally for sacrificing your mental well-being just for us, the viewers!
Stay strong friend!
At first I thought he was just being dishonest because it's destiny. But Pisco came on and made it clear enough that a child could understand it and he still fought the truth. That was tough to listen to
10 mins into a 2+ hour video: "How can this conversation last a single additional minute?"
This debate was like "hey Pisco can you hold this lit stick of dynamite for a second?" and then he kicked Pisco off a cliff.
i lost it when he started mocking this weirdo's cadence lmfao
Time?
i go back to this every few weeks bro, this the funniest debate moment ive ever fucking seen lmaooo
This is probably the most content I've created while I was sleeping.
Lol
He who fights the meta should see to it that he does not become the meta.
Were you sleeping or were you just associating with a lack of consciousness while in the location of your bed?
1:01:00
POV: You're playing FFVII to escape the sadness of your parents arguing, but Aerith just died.
I remember hearing Destiny saying something like "getting so lost in the tone policing, you could miss the greater point"
Took this guy 43 minutes to finally begin to understand guilt by association. Not enough to stop questioning it tho, sadly.
God awful discourse 😐
"he participates in the community"
"but to participate, he has to be associated, so it's guilt by association"
No dude
The thief is not guilty because he breathes, even though he has to breath in order to be able to steal
that first minute was hilarious oh my god
lol yeah i'm dying when he says a third time
that "heh" shit killed me lol.
Imagine having to be in a family with this person. Holy fuck I can imagine how many people have disowned him
This is the best destiny debate I've seen in a very long time. Absolutely amazing
How infuriating is this. Can this guy just say, “oh I see what you are saying, I just disagree with you on the definitions” and end this torture for Destiny. I would be straight up be embarrassed to be this guy.
But that was never the point, was it? He went into the convo set on owning Destiny and not to understand him or the difference of opinions between them.
@@sathrielsatanson666 oh I agree, he had a hidden agenda and tried to argue through the definitions, which was a epic fail. How does one not know what guilt by association means, it was crazy to listen to.
Or he could say "Okay, I see your point. But I think the guy isn't like that. When I debated him he didn't do any of the bad stuff." Like, social skills, motherfucker. All he did was make Destiny hate his friend and his discord more.
This is a pure ego argument. The one guy is upset that Destiny made fun of his tweet. Full stop. He doesn’t care about any other topics.
"Officer, I was not smoking that crack rock, I was simply associating it with my pipe"
if you’ve just started this video, fyi it never gets better the first argument spans 2 hours lmao
I love how Destiny solved this guy buy sending Piss Co to deal with it and chilling with a piano.
It’s hard to argue about guilty by association with a lawyer someone who legit studies it. Super smart move. 100% big brain
(Edit spelling)
how do you still spell "by" as "buy" post-edit, lmao
You can’t have a 2+ hour debate on a simple term distinction
This Sinthe guy: hold my beer
This guy argues like demonmama, when he did the "Whhhaaaat?!" I lost it 😂😂😂😂
Imagine the most interesting part of this debate was just Destiny and Pisco talking at the end.
Watching this live sent me spiralling into an existential crisis. I woke up 7 hours later covered in piss in a field just north of Birmingham. All I can say is "Again! Again again!"
If “just north of birmingham” means Wolves then I’d suggest a quick trip to A&E to make sure ur Organs are all still there mate
@@jtt99 I've been meaning to lose some weight anyway.
pisco got it right away. sharp. will be a good lawyer i'm sure.
This is exactly why he doesn't want to associate with them lol
I love how people call destiny a debate lord when people like this exist lol
>be me
>in the Nazi party
>friends with Hitler
>mfw
>someone accuses me of being a Nazi
>guilt by association much?
at around 1:55:45 pisco says "look at what happened to the skeptic community" and tbh, the skeptics that didn't turn into insane communists like the amazing atheist or whatever are doing well. sargon's running his own business. vee and arch and i are all living off our channels. EFAP and adam and sitch have grown into big weekly streams. bearing and dankula and quartering and rags, like them or not, make bank. the skeptics aren't the edge of the discourse anymore but we're all still doing well enough.
And this will be on the internet for all to witness forever.
This was just like crazy hard to listen to. The guy wanted to debate so bad in a convo about how destiny doesn’t want to talk to hardcore debaters
It's funny that this whole two hour ordeal was basically and explicitly a semantic debate over one fucking expression. Zero substance other than this guy not wanting to concede a point. Very good content actually.
Fair warning for those who haven't seen this yet, this is just a 2 hour loop.
This debate was literally over in the first 4 sentences. Destiny accurately answered why it’s not guilt by association. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️