When Republicans and Democrats say they think a president was unfairly elected, most are referring to much more than what polls express. Media interference in the form of cover-up, voting law changes, practices such as ballot harvesting viewed as illegitimate despite it being made legal, purposeful lack of transparency, and more are typically contributions in their definition(s). Also, yes Destiny. Democrats have done repeated lawsuits, made blatant false accusations rousing up their base, demanded that electors become unfaithful and change their electoral vote to Hillary, attempted to delay congressional certification of the election in the name of trying to force more last minute recounts and investigations, actually excused their base for rioting against and sieging government buildings like the courthouse in Portland, police precincts elsewhere, etc, called for the suspension of “the constitution,” the law, and so on. The differences with the Democrats in my view is that they occasionally question elections to varies degrees each time they lose, and then just drop it before the next election. I know besides the Russian Collusion and Puppet hoaxes, Democrats also tended to be excellent at having short-term memories in terms of what they were loudly claiming during a previous election season or political fight. The difference with Republicans last election was they did it as well for once and they didn’t let it go. Now the Democrats won’t either.
Yeah, I think you're right Kyle wasn't willing to recommend anything in swing states. Now I think his message is better, but it is still giving more legitimacy to a political project that is going to recommend swing state voters throw away their vote and help the worst option. Until there are things like ranked choice voting (through ballot initiatives preferably) that give people the ability to not spoil elections, I don't think it makes sense to vote for a 3rd party particularly at the national level. I might still do it because I'm in a "safe" state, but it just seems like the potential benefits do not outweigh the negatives.
The red pill is boring af I agree 100%, but idk if politics really has much of a broader range of arguments, it’s like abortion, trans issues, how evil are republicans, and hunter bidens cock lmao
most of these socialist talking heads just adopt the aesthetic of socialism while actively benefiting from capitalist structures lol; it feels so disingenuous and selfish
Briahna says it's bad to vote blue no matter who, but then says she doesn't care who wins if they're not a Independent. Also, Biden is a failure because he didn't do every single thing he campaigned on, but if Bernie won, we couldn't have expected him to do every single thing he campaigned on 🤷🏽♀️ This political rhetoric makes me want to watch Kick or Keep 🤦🏽♀️
If you can't understand the difference between these comparisons then you shouldn't be involved in political discourse in the first place, it's best left to those of us with critical thinking skills. The difference between Biden vs Bernie campaign promises are enormous - what Bernie advocated for were policies that would have been a radical shift in American politics even from the liberal perspective whereas most of what Biden promised were policies that were much more achievable. Obviously people have a higher expectation for Biden to deliver on his promises given that they weren't as ambitious or difficult to achieve.
@@TheStatisticalPizza i know, and thank you for the critical thinking lesson. But for her to say anyone who votes only one party and only one party, and frame it in a negative light, but then to say she would only vote for her party, and only her party, is a funny way to think so critically 🤷🏽♀️ "but whattabout this person??" is all the political reasoning you are capable of. You taught me well 👍
I hear Destiny talk sometimes about all the fake alt-media/streamers online. Kyle Kulinski, whatever you may have previously thought or currently think about his opinions, he has to be one of the most genuine and good faith actors online. I truly believe he tries to do and say what he thinks is the "right thing" the vast majority of the time. He seems like a genuinely good dude regardless of what you think about his politics.
@@donovan4222 This is so true it hurts. I'm pretty sure the entire reason he hates lefties so much is because of how lefties and trans people on twitter act towards him. Praying he gets some death threats from America Firsters so we can go back to hating on Republicans again.
@@kabelomakanatlengsundra456 Back when he started politics in 2016 he was a Bernie bro and made it explicitly clear in every trump debate. He voted for Hillary still but only after slandering her to no end. He also at the time cited the main reason being Bernie's pledge to get money out of politics.
Even though I don't watch kyle anymore, I genuinely hope this bridge is rebuilt. Because unlike Hasan, vaush,etc, Kyle's heart seems to be in the right place (although he has given some dumb takes). And imo destiny has been very uncharitable towards him throughout the years even though kyle mostly spoke positively of destiny.
@@donovan4222 Destiny seems insincere... hell I'm a conservative so I hate Vaush with a fiery passion but even he seems more sincere in his idiotic beliefs than Destiny in his.
Just because you are anti-socialist doesn't mean vaush's beliefs aren't genuine and held out of belief in their good outcomes. You are bad at evaluating people's motives.
@@donovan4222Pretty sure you are a salty lefty head, unable to judge things case by case, but quick to brush everything with your broad brush of Hasanisms. Settle down, you are not a serious person.
I remember my high school days when i religiously watched secular talk. While its not my cup of tea anymore, the idea of kyle sharpening his political axe isnt bad at all. He was consistent on things like free speech after all
He’s crying that people won’t highlight the good that Biden has done, as he promotes the demonization of Trump for half a decade... He’s disingenuous at best. Just a straight up lying shill more likely. A reminder why third party is winning my vote.
She kept saying "I don't care , I don't care about that", but shouldn't she care? Doesn't she want to persuade people to come to her side? Is she deliberately tanking Cornell's campaign? What the hell is she on about?
1:05:42 I am so glad Krystal straight-up called her out for this ridiculous bad faith reading of that comment, I'm not even a fan of Krystal but clearly she's referring to the party's political goals and not some cringe allegiance to the party for the party's sake
She raises voice/tone, cuts people off, and doesn't accept people's answers and just repeats her point until you agree... then gets upset and "feels disrespected" that she has been getting "shouted down" on podcasts. Her real problem is she contributes to the raising of the tone and that she will just go around and around until she hears what she wants.
I don't disagree with the take here mind you, but seeing Destiny talking about someone else being "wealthy and insulated from society" makes me want to vomit, since Steven qualifies for that 100%. Every time I see him delusionally speaking about Biden's "great economy" and "controlled inflation" those are the same words who fly through my mind, specially when buying groceries get's harder every month. He has no clue of what the working class wants or needs, yet thinks he's qualified to call anyone else privileged. You're no better than her dude, take a sit and shut up.
Brihana at 59:20 was so infuriating. "You were somewhat abrasive, so I am going to talk slowly and softly and quietly virtue signal to my audience instead of participating in the discussion so that they can post about how unhinged you are after".
She’s right. Kyle was melting down and Briahna kept him composure. Would it be better if she screamed back? Can’t please everyone. But a calm tone works the best
@@cormacbowman6595Kyle ranted and got worked up, but describing this as a meltdown is already revealing how off base you are. His points were all coherent - a meltdown is incoherent. And I personally don't care how she responds, calm is fine, maybe even better, but she clearly responded the way she did because she thought it would make him look bad to her own audience, complete with an incredibly drawn out virtue signal about being able to relate better than Kyle to struggling Americans. By the way where did she get this figure of her and 40 million Americans that she can better relate to? Shouldn't this number of people she's claiming to represent and relate to more closely resemble the total number of green party votes?
He wasn't unhinged, but he was way off topic, as is Kyle's habit (I say this as a Kulinski fan). Electing the Minnesota Dems has almost nothing to do with electing Biden.
@@therambler3713not refusing to sell out, but refusing to engage with how political reality works in favor of some idealized accelerationist b******* that only hurts everyone
@@tinywhale3954 the current state of US politics isn't a good enough reason to throw your full support behind it, there's obviously a point where advocating for complacency with a system is wrong. You'd never tell someone in an authoritarian nation that they should just support the establishment because that's the political reality - that's fucking insane. So if you want to argue that people like Briana should just fall in line you're gonna need a better argument than what you've put forward because asking someone to drop their principals in favor of a flawed system is substantial, it shouldn't be taken lightly.
Seeing Kubinski who was such a typical "nobody is left enough for me" crowd pleaser in previous elections adding so much more nuance and good faith to his thinking really makes me optimistic about how people can change. The stuff he's saying is not even going to be super popular with his own audience, but he's still saying it.
I don’t think he’s really changed. I remember in 2016 his stance was “vote for Jill Stein if you live in a blue state, vote for Clinton otherwise” and that seems to be what he’s advocating for here.
There are some poor people that agree with Brianna or at least they say they are. If they are, then they've been sold that something can change for the better for themselves in a radical way by voting 3rd party. 3rd parties have never successfully done anything of importance for anyone by running presidential candidates. If you want things to change, joining grassroots organizations is going to be a better use of your time than throwing away your vote for a "protest" vote.
Nothing shy of near if not literal revolution will satisfy people like this. There’s no moving towards anything. It’s either we rocket towards it at light speed or it’s never enough.
Because she doesn't see herself as a subjects in the socialist experiment. She thinks she'll be the one running the experiment which makes her more valuable than the labrats.
The editing and production is top-notch, and I'm only a couple of minutes in. Let's see if it lives up to this high standard for the entire video. Nicely done so far.
meanwhile destiny still thinks putin wants to remake a new ussr when he rolled out with a 90k security force. and is carpet bombing noone while maintaining full air control for months.
The truth is, Sam Seder was always ridiculously bad-faith, along with everyone else on his show, and Kyle was always genuine and - whether you agree with him all the time or not - honest and clearly means what he says. Destiny just has really bad judgment when it comes to other people, so he thought that Sam Seder was “based” (in his own words) up until relatively recently. How a person comes to those conclusions, I have no idea. 🤷♂️
@@backwardthoughts1022I don't disagree, but unfortunately big medicine runs our system, and a large % of Americans drink their Kool aid on social medicine. I highly doubt we'll make any moves that direction any time soon. genZ seems to be very politically active so maybe there is hope.
@@100AcreWoodz1 nonsense, its a numbers game and a relatively minor number is required to bring the country to a standstill. doesn't matter anyway for you anymore, methane threshold has been reached 20mil min. climate refugees heading your way yearly beginning 2025. have fun!
The cognitive dissonance between the two statements literally back to back of "this is a vote blue no matter what conversation" and "even if Biden is 10x better than Trump Im not voting for him" is crazy. Does she even hear what shes saying? Did she expect these people to come on and just mindlessly agree with her. The fact that she refuses to be persuaded by concrete facts without any sort of evidence to the contrary is mind-boggling
I don't agree with her, but her argument is that voting for Biden is essentially enabling the DNC's bad behavior. I disagree. I agree with voting for someone else during the primary or a "safe" election, but she can hold those two critiques simultaneously
You don't understand what cognitive dissonance means. You meant "contradiction" - but even if you had used the correct word, your critical reasoning is wrong - there is no contradiction there - she was right.
I love that Kyle and Destiny are converging more on these issues, but I just want to shoutout Krystal here- she is absolutely incredible at reframing and directing the flow of conversations, forcing people to stay on specific points and being assertive, while still being extremely friendly and respectful. Her Bill Maher appearance was the same way. This woman is a masterful rhetorician. Hope to see Destiny talk to Krystal and Kyle soon!
@@roennreeds Well, Destiny and Kyle have diverged on the 3rd party issue now. Destiny is still a staunch center-right Biden supporter, and Kyle hates Biden with a passion and decided to endorse Jill Stein on the far left. If they talk now, Destiny will get bodied.
i hate how briahna can go off on a rant on krystal and its not a big deal, but when kyle did it to her, she acts like the weak victim and makes its dramatic.
Honestly... I have enjoyed Kyle -- probably align with him about 99% on ideals, but historically only about 10% on pragmatism. If you had told me prior to 2020 election that he would be saying this sh*t I would have said no way. I never would've imagined Kyle standing up for Biden and I find it hilarious.
@@taravanova if you were forced into putting a turd into your mouth but the turd didn't taste as bad as you thought does it make it any less of a turd?
This could not be a more obvious case of only caring about ideology. Being willing to concede real harm to American citizens because you only care about the perpetuation of your own political agenda is blatantly gross.
The people who make arguments like the ones Briahna Joy Gray is making are either: (1) interested only in boosting their own profile as a radical and uninterested in actually making people's lives better; or (2) stupid, or at least ignorant about how policy and politics work. Briahna is definitely not stupid or ignorant.
I dont get the hate for Kyle, he has some unthoughtful sh!t takes but all in all ive always thought he was an ally, and he has massive influence being able to get on Rogan
I think he's leaned into the Trump derangement thing a bit much but oddly it's a recent thing. It's not like I'm 2015 he was screeching and pulling his hair out. Compared the vast majority of RUclips commentary, at least I believe he believes what he's saying or I believe he'll change his mind if given new information
@@williamkelley1971 everyone has sh!t takes amigo, Kyle seems genuine, honest and willing to change his views when presented with valid arguments and evidence
Your average democrat would vote for Skeletor as long as he ran as a democrat. Let's not pretend this is about being practical, or reasonable its just tribal political bullshit.
Actual politics coverage/debates will always be preferable to me compared to unhinged orbiter drama and redpill panels. The extremely high effortposting parts of the Vaush/Keffals/Mr.Girl arcs were fun but generally the kind of content that this video is emblematic of is far more entertaining and engaging to me.
I’ve been a Kyle Stan since the beginning tbh. I think he isn’t hard enough on Joe Rogan. And I’m not a huge fan of Krystal Ball. But Kyle by himself has always been pretty solid.
Destiny- You would be wrong- I’m middle class and I would agree that the working class is absolutely looking for change along the line of some socialist policies.
August I'm loving the new intros. One thing though: Maybe fade the music out for a few seconds instead of cutting it off abruptly? I think it makes for a smoother transition.
Ranked choice voting does far more than just help 3rd parties.. it also helps to decrease polarization, mitigate some of the negative effects of big money (corporate or otherwise) in politics, reduce the incumbency advantage, among many other things.
It doesn't really help 3rd parties on its own. These parties would still not get enough support to win elections for the most part. What it does is get rid of this dumb lesser of two evils talking point. To help 3rd parties gain more influence you would also need some form of proportional representation. I suspect that people like Briahna actually don't want RCV because with the current system they feel they have more power to threaten the political process by spoiling elections. She talks out of both sides of her mouth when she says she can't be held accountable for the consequences of her vote (it's always the Democrats fault for not trying hard enough) but at the same time she acknowledges her vote is risky. If you know the consequences of your actions, then obviously other people can be angry at you for still encouraging people, even in swing states, to vote like you do.
@@Cancellator5000 but winning just 1 district gives some representation in congress. The executive branch will go to the biggest party, even if it's below 50% of the total population (as it is even now, it's essentially always some 4x% vs 4x% split). if people were able to support their preferred 3rd party candidate, without essentially just weakening their 'preferred' main 2 party candidate, you don't have to 'game the system' to figure out if you can vote like you want, or tactically for R or D. If you see R or D win, but that the 3rd party candidate got 2 districts in the first round, or it increases over time, that's a pull-factor on the bigger parties to get influenced by the growing 3rd party, even if they don't have a controlling vote in congress or win the presidency
@@Mira-dp6di Yeah, I'm not saying there's no potential benefit. It's just I'd doubt that any district would go to 3rd parties. People will still put one of the 2 major parties as their 1st choice. What would be more beneficial is some form of proportional representation.
Isreal stuff has haywired their brains. Kyle especially. Every single video involving Israel Palestine has some crazy title thats probably untrue most of them time.
They would have been calling bernie a sellout capitalist the minute he couldn't deliver on a single promise. Scorched earth, all or nothing. They want a king in office who will make Washington 'bend the knee' , but at the same time will bend the knee to the common folk. Sorta like bernie when he got pushed off his own platform by an angry crowd
I think Bernie is probably one of the most honest politicians going. But he would ultimately be too weak to cuck everyone to his way of thinking, even just the democrats.
@@szahmad2416 so like part of me thinks yes, but the other part thinks that what ever misstep or shortcoming, she would blame the system and others, and use Sanders as a reason why a systematic revolution is needed. I would be curious that if Bernie is pushed as the ppl’s hero for the Left, would they just bash the system for shortcomings
I’ve been a regular listener of Kyle for about a year now (although I knew who he was before that).. I have to admit I was a bit baffled by Destiny’s hate-boner for him. Compared to some of the genuinely toxic people Destiny has interacted with over the years, where he disagrees with Kulinski seem pretty mild by comparison.
yeah i stopped watching Destiny for a while after that. While there were elements of truth in Destiny's criticism, the vitriol against him felt forced and cherry picked and ultimately done for cheap drama points. It felt kind of gross with how over the top it was, especially since for whatever faults he has, Kyle is one of the most sincere political commentators on youtube.
@@donovan4222 Of course the literal Tankie who's doing the classic Russia/USSR/China simping comes out to play defense anytime the term is mentioned. Go back to watching Bad Empanada videos. Concerning the above discussion, "Tankie" is a slang term that originally referred to communists that supported the USSR rolling tanks into Hungary and Czechoslovakia to suppress their Socialist (anti-communist) revolutions. Basically someone who wants to suppress the will of the workers and the people in order to implement a fascist dictatorship with red aesthetics. This includes all types of Stalinists and Maoists (or Marxist-Leninists as they like to call themselves).
@@ken420 No it's a stalin supporter, it comes from when the Soviet union brought the tanks into eastern Europe to put down protests, you can google this easily, spend less time on YT and read more.
@@ken420No. The person would have to be a Marxist-Leninist. I'd even understand someone adding the caveat of the person being an ML that is very uncritical of the USSR. People throw that world around too loosely. It's now term used on anyone leftist that isn't a 'Social Democrat'.
You can say the same thing about many other single issues. Doesn't make them more than one issue. Kyle wanted to bring up many of the issues Biden's Government had worked on and she wanted to focus on one issue of breaking a two party system.
you lost me when you said people can't vote for who they think is best if they're in a certain state or whatever. it's not "privileged" to vote for the best candidate, it's a civic duty
She keeps putting herself in the place of being pushed back on so I think, therefore, that she can. She's certainly not conflict averse and that means you are choosing to have people push back on you.
Around the one hour mark is key. Kyle correctly makes the point, you can push hard for progressive change, WHILE STILL SELECTING the best and most realistic option in front of you.
BJG invoking “many people…” constantly is an interesting rhetorical strategy. She basically using these mythical “many people” as a Trojan horse to be able say whatever she wants and give it validity
Perfect candidate idea is wrong. I think what people are saying when they say that is "I wish I could vote for some idea or plan and not feel like i'm just voting to vote against something."
Debate summary: Dyle Kulinskiny: "I have 80 files sitting on my desk right now of why Joe Biden is a based ass president. Acknowledge reality!" Brihana: "No! Socialism or the world burns! REEEEEE"
These people are always so slimy when they get their 1hp voice and start hiding behind their ostensible oppression once they get dismantled rhetorically. Kyle and Krystal are smashing Brianna's ideas and they support each other with subtlety that she can't accuse them of ganging up on her.
Cornell is not a serious person. He does not genuinely believe in the things he claims to believe. If he did, he wouldn’t be doing a giant virtue signal that actively fights against the things he claims to believe
He's from the people party man what do you expect? They actually take money from the CCP lmao. You should look into the Rage Against the War machine protest and you would find out that it was organized by the peoples party the libertarian party and a uniformed Chinese Army Major that runs one of their propaganda wings.
He is a serious person, but not a serious candidate. Politics are beyond his expertise and he lacks the character and fortitude to not pretend to be who he's not.
@@drockopotamus1 I mean I consider advocate voting for Biden and giving him credit on policy that he considers a small improvement, but an improvement one the less based. In comparison to his wife and the other liberal hating progressives it’s an improvement no?
Interesting discussion. I can understand the argument from left wing progressives on why you should support Biden vs Trump. For me, as someone that leans conservative. (Socially liberal, fiscally conservative but refuse to go with LP because they shoot themselves in the foot and virtue signal each other every chance they get ) I don't see much of a qualitative difference between the 2 major parties. I'd rank the candidates they've given us as a 1 vs 1.5 on 10 points scales. If there was a 1 vs 6 or something, I'd say vote for the better candidate. 1 vs 1.5 doesn't make an ounce of difference and I think 3rd party votes are more significant at that point. I don't think any real change will happen until we get rid of current party leadership. Changing parties seems like the easiest way to do that. And in the whole debate, I don't care about convincing Dems or Reps to vote 3rd party. I'm pushing for the 45% the voluntarily choose not to participate - if they would participate and actually vote differently....it would instantaneously change the landscape. If they just split between Green and LP, we'd essentially have a 4 way tie and parties would be forced to address the issues that are important to voters. That's my biggest thing.
It's also interesting to see everyone expect the president to accomplish all of their campaign promises. We don't have a king. The president should be pushing his key campaign things, but ultimately it's the legislatures job to pass these things. Blaming a president for not achieving all of their goals shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the roles of government branches and basic US government ...
So what I’m getting from your commentary about there being a losing candidate and you shouldn’t vote independent is that you are just an establishment tool, even though you claim to be anything but
The “if you vote for any third party candidate you’re privileged and wealthy” insult doesn’t really hit as hard as it does on sheltered progressives, because that’s all progressives talk about. Why would someone whose voting third party not vote in their own interests.
Destiny really made a strawman out of the standard arguement in favor of voting third party. The "lesser of two evils" isn't some weird way of expressing a that the preferred candidate is simply not ideal. It's an expression that means, in the context of presidential elections, that the preferred candidate is still so far detached from ideal that the individual saying the expression clearly feels that candidate does not represent what they'd like to vote for. It's uncharacteristically bad faith of you to assume that these people are a) being too picky AND b) are necessarily upper class or otherwise have no skin in the game. I feel like this, and many of your takes concerning popular populist talking points, demonstrate how little you actually interact with the average person. People don't like having their sense of choice stripped away from them. The reason why the last two democratic primaries were so controversial is because in 2016, the popular vote was directly ignored (at least according to wikileaks) and in 2020 Biden won the primaries due to the extreme pressure the party placed on all other candidates to drop out and support Biden; mind you, in perhaps the easiest win for democrats that could have ever been expected. Personally speaking, the ONLY people I know that actually wanted Biden as president were a handful of boomers who thought Obama was pretty cool. Obviously, it's okay to vote pragmatically for any election. Voting against politics you aren't in favor of is a completely valid way to engage in politics. However, pretending like people who refuse to accept a META that strictly favors voting against the candidate you don't like are somehow immoral, uninvested, irresponsible, or stupid is plainly ludicrous. It's a principled choice that demonstrates that such people are willing to sacrifice immediate optimization to display their disdain throught the most important method of politcal voice Americans have in hopes that such a decision may illicit change in the future. After all, if enough people vote against either party it may invite a change aimed at acquiring their votes. Something that, in any other discussion, Destiny would tout as proof just how important a vote is. Ultimately, this all goes to show that in fact the single vote system we employ is insufficient in insuring the value of voting. If the options presented at every election was candidate X or 50 years in prison, we would never look at that system and say "ah yes, it's the voter's fault they were placed in prison when they clearly had a choice". In this way, it's apparent that there is need for a change that allows people to freely vote for their preferred candidate without the threat of indirectly electing a candidate that is the antithesis of their values.
Steven, PLEASE don't debate Ben on Jubilee! We need a convo that's at least 2 hours long (preferably 3-4). Please debate on Joe Rogan or Lex Friedman. Ben is friends with Joe and Lex really likes you. You guys have the pull to make that happen.
I love how her main point around student debt is just "its better to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission". Just declare the debt cancelled so that the situation cannot be remedied when the inevitable court challenge rightly declares your actions unlawful. Its actually so insane to want you president to just do illegal things. If you don't understand where that would end then you need to reevaluate your mental and maybe go back to secondary school
@@donovan4222 You're essentially saying that the ends justify the means as long as it's something you support. It's completely antithetical to the democratic process, literally nobody who isn't some variety of authoritarian would consider this acceptable.
These people all live in a bubble where student debt relief is very popular. But that is not the case with the general population and even less with key demographics that Biden is under performing with but absolutely needs if he wants to win reelection - blue collar workers and especially minority blue collar workers. I don't believe the electoral gains outweigh the losses. The people to whom this matters the most are typically liberal arts graduates who are one of the most left leaning and politically active subclass of young people. They already vote and they vote left. There are no millions of sociology majors staying home on election day. In fact they are the ones knocking on doors doing the foot work to get the vote out for Democrats. College educated young people that don' care about politics are usually busy working their ass off to get a career going. They have no trouble paying off their student loans and may even be annoyed with the fact that they had to bust their asses to get a sensible degree, get a good job and now the government steps in and rewards the ones that didn't. Anyway this won't particularly fire them up one way or another. On the other hand it will be seen as a downright insult by the blue collar working class who already feels left behind by the Democrats who are increasingly captured by the professional managerial class. Good luck getting the black vote out when you just handed out half a trillion dollars to mostly white, middle class jerk offs who already live a privileged life by comparison.
2:19 Fully agree. I've felt this way for years. I'll never understand the mouthbreathers on the losing any side who get mad at 3rd party voters in a state that's _clearly_ not a swing state. Take NJ for example. In the last two elections you could take all of the 3rd party votes, multiply them by 3, give them to the republican candidate, and they _still_ lose that state.
I find it deeply telling when people are thoroughly incapable of engaging directly with points and resort to arguing against outlandish straw-man-like metaphors. These people are not willing to change their minds, they will just imagine a new scenario which "proves" their view point.
How is Steven comfortable using like 5 second snippets of copyrighted music in his recent videos? 2:11 Is it just that he knows it's unlikely he gets sued and is playing the odds or is it permissible to use < 5 secs of copyrighted music on RUclips under fair use or something to that effect?
Stop saying she cares about socialism and not policy. She doesn’t care about anything besides having the loudest voice online she can possibly have and making as much money as she possibly can. She doesn’t care about a “rEvOlUtIoN”, she doesn’t care about anything besides clout and money.
What? The lesser evil argument does not imply there is a perfect candidate at all... it's the exact opposite. That view holds that there is not only no perfect candidate but no good one and your choice is for whomever is less bad. Really bad logic, Destiny.
Libertarians are the biggest third party *by far*, so even if they weren't campaigning for ranked choice they were doing the best to raise awareness of third party options.
Brie isn’t even advocating for socialism. She’s pushing for a leftie poster aesthetic. Krystal is the one most focused on labor rights and worker representation.
pragmatically, the only reason I can see not voting for a "lesser evil" is because you're so insulated from the consequences of doing so that you don't need to care anymore - none of the potentially drastic life changes that affect people (those ostensibly on "your side" like minorities, people who support climate action, etc.) will impact you, which also why I believe is why I saw a bunch of "radical leftist" meme accounts in 2020, who almost always turned out to be teenagers or college students who lived in NYC, saying "voting sucks". Yeah, maybe voting sucks for you because it doesn't give you what you want, but for the people voting for abortion rights, whose voting determines whether LGBT people are getting legal rights or are going to have to fear for their lives, who vote to determine whether their poor neighbors get gov assistance, it sure does matter. To me, it's basically telling on yourself that you're willing to make the world a whole lot worse in return for even a snowball's chance in hell that your chosen ideology gets to come out on top, even as you're insulated very well compared to others from the consequences that follow. The whole thing strikes me as so myopic as to be ridiculous, and against the basic principle of socialism which is to be a humanistic political and economic philosophy.
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"things change incrementally" yes but now things are getting incrementally worse
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When Republicans and Democrats say they think a president was unfairly elected, most are referring to much more than what polls express. Media interference in the form of cover-up, voting law changes, practices such as ballot harvesting viewed as illegitimate despite it being made legal, purposeful lack of transparency, and more are typically contributions in their definition(s).
Also, yes Destiny. Democrats have done repeated lawsuits, made blatant false accusations rousing up their base, demanded that electors become unfaithful and change their electoral vote to Hillary, attempted to delay congressional certification of the election in the name of trying to force more last minute recounts and investigations, actually excused their base for rioting against and sieging government buildings like the courthouse in Portland, police precincts elsewhere, etc, called for the suspension of “the constitution,” the law, and so on.
The differences with the Democrats in my view is that they occasionally question elections to varies degrees each time they lose, and then just drop it before the next election. I know besides the Russian Collusion and Puppet hoaxes, Democrats also tended to be excellent at having short-term memories in terms of what they were loudly claiming during a previous election season or political fight. The difference with Republicans last election was they did it as well for once and they didn’t let it go. Now the Democrats won’t either.
Yeah, I think you're right Kyle wasn't willing to recommend anything in swing states. Now I think his message is better, but it is still giving more legitimacy to a political project that is going to recommend swing state voters throw away their vote and help the worst option. Until there are things like ranked choice voting (through ballot initiatives preferably) that give people the ability to not spoil elections, I don't think it makes sense to vote for a 3rd party particularly at the national level. I might still do it because I'm in a "safe" state, but it just seems like the potential benefits do not outweigh the negatives.
So glad we’re getting back to politics. The red pill arc was fun but you can only hear the same arguments so many times
The red pill is boring af I agree 100%, but idk if politics really has much of a broader range of arguments, it’s like abortion, trans issues, how evil are republicans, and hunter bidens cock lmao
AMEN!!
But muh high value men 😢
Same, pretty much stopped watching destiny through out the red pill arc.
Uh... politics is a hell of a lot of the same arguments for the last 50 years...
"honestly....I don't care" is an excellent summary of her politics
Best observation (including my own).
As long as she gets 5 bucks from her subscribers...
When it comes to gutter rat Joe, the dementia patient, and Trump, I'm the same way.
most of these socialist talking heads just adopt the aesthetic of socialism while actively benefiting from capitalist structures lol; it feels so disingenuous and selfish
I have no politics either, I just hate Briahna (unironically) 🗿
Briahna says it's bad to vote blue no matter who, but then says she doesn't care who wins if they're not a Independent. Also, Biden is a failure because he didn't do every single thing he campaigned on, but if Bernie won, we couldn't have expected him to do every single thing he campaigned on 🤷🏽♀️ This political rhetoric makes me want to watch Kick or Keep 🤦🏽♀️
No please don't watch, you have so much to live for 🥺
BJG is a complete idiot or a grifter - I pick Grifter. She's cashing out working for the HILL.
If you can't understand the difference between these comparisons then you shouldn't be involved in political discourse in the first place, it's best left to those of us with critical thinking skills. The difference between Biden vs Bernie campaign promises are enormous - what Bernie advocated for were policies that would have been a radical shift in American politics even from the liberal perspective whereas most of what Biden promised were policies that were much more achievable. Obviously people have a higher expectation for Biden to deliver on his promises given that they weren't as ambitious or difficult to achieve.
@@TheStatisticalPizza i know, and thank you for the critical thinking lesson. But for her to say anyone who votes only one party and only one party, and frame it in a negative light, but then to say she would only vote for her party, and only her party, is a funny way to think so critically 🤷🏽♀️ "but whattabout this person??" is all the political reasoning you are capable of. You taught me well 👍
@@TheStatisticalPizzatheir had to have been a less douchey way of saying this
I hear Destiny talk sometimes about all the fake alt-media/streamers online. Kyle Kulinski, whatever you may have previously thought or currently think about his opinions, he has to be one of the most genuine and good faith actors online. I truly believe he tries to do and say what he thinks is the "right thing" the vast majority of the time. He seems like a genuinely good dude regardless of what you think about his politics.
Amen, it’s funny how much I watch Destiny now, but I began everything with Kyle and I still don’t regret that choice.
Dude is deluded lol. Orange man syndrome rotted his brain.
@@falco830 so real, you can never deny Kyle has always been real
I agree, Destiny is a dick to him a lot
Never got bad vibes from kyle, he’s a breath of fresh air just a little less unhinged than Steve
Briahna’s podcast being called bad faith never ceases to make me smile
Quite fitting. 😂
Lmao her podcast is called bad faith ? Holy shit definitely fits her she so dishonest thought she was on the hill
Is someone saying they don’t care if Biden had a basement full of dead babies an example of vote blue no matter who?
Destiny is not fit to drink BJGs bath water. He's a bootlicking coward and would get his ass handed to him if he ever stepped to her in a debate.
After 9 months, we're finally on the politics arc once again.
@@electron6825 multipel Reddit account and dgg accounts. I love women!
You should expect political arcs to occur around election seasons. Otherwise it’s culture.
@@donovan4222 This is so true it hurts. I'm pretty sure the entire reason he hates lefties so much is because of how lefties and trans people on twitter act towards him.
Praying he gets some death threats from America Firsters so we can go back to hating on Republicans again.
When has destiny been pro bernie?
@@kabelomakanatlengsundra456 Back when he started politics in 2016 he was a Bernie bro and made it explicitly clear in every trump debate.
He voted for Hillary still but only after slandering her to no end. He also at the time cited the main reason being Bernie's pledge to get money out of politics.
Even though I don't watch kyle anymore, I genuinely hope this bridge is rebuilt. Because unlike Hasan, vaush,etc, Kyle's heart seems to be in the right place (although he has given some dumb takes). And imo destiny has been very uncharitable towards him throughout the years even though kyle mostly spoke positively of destiny.
Same opinion
At least Kyle is growing as a political pundit and recognizes good politics within the biden administration when it has earned it.
@@donovan4222 Destiny seems insincere... hell I'm a conservative so I hate Vaush with a fiery passion but even he seems more sincere in his idiotic beliefs than Destiny in his.
Just because you are anti-socialist doesn't mean vaush's beliefs aren't genuine and held out of belief in their good outcomes.
You are bad at evaluating people's motives.
@@Nebukanezzerpretty sure vaush and hasan are more capitalist than me
@@donovan4222Pretty sure you are a salty lefty head, unable to judge things case by case, but quick to brush everything with your broad brush of Hasanisms. Settle down, you are not a serious person.
I remember my high school days when i religiously watched secular talk. While its not my cup of tea anymore, the idea of kyle sharpening his political axe isnt bad at all. He was consistent on things like free speech after all
He’s crying that people won’t highlight the good that Biden has done, as he promotes the demonization of Trump for half a decade...
He’s disingenuous at best. Just a straight up lying shill more likely.
A reminder why third party is winning my vote.
Just one question Mr. Kulinski. Who was Houngry?
@@donovan4222 are you the guy I always see crying about tiny cause "he's raycist and shit"? Cry more 😢
Kyle has always been good...better than 99% of other political RUclipsrs at least.
@@GSP-76 That doesn’t say much
While we're sitting here talking about how Destiny is a girls name, Kyle has 3 K's in his name and his hair is pure white.
Krystal and Kyle Kulinski
That's the white supremacism Hasan sees I guess 😅
She kept saying "I don't care , I don't care about that", but shouldn't she care? Doesn't she want to persuade people to come to her side? Is she deliberately tanking Cornell's campaign? What the hell is she on about?
1:05:42 I am so glad Krystal straight-up called her out for this ridiculous bad faith reading of that comment, I'm not even a fan of Krystal but clearly she's referring to the party's political goals and not some cringe allegiance to the party for the party's sake
Yeah I’m glad Krystal pushed back on that
Kyle: Asks one question after ten minutes of the other two talking
Briahna: HOW DARE YOU SHOUT ME DOWN GAHHHHH
She raises voice/tone, cuts people off, and doesn't accept people's answers and just repeats her point until you agree... then gets upset and "feels disrespected" that she has been getting "shouted down" on podcasts. Her real problem is she contributes to the raising of the tone and that she will just go around and around until she hears what she wants.
exactly!!
Kulinski did start with the more aggressive energy, but she definitely matched his energy and happily took it to 11 lol
I don't disagree with the take here mind you, but seeing Destiny talking about someone else being "wealthy and insulated from society" makes me want to vomit, since Steven qualifies for that 100%. Every time I see him delusionally speaking about Biden's "great economy" and "controlled inflation" those are the same words who fly through my mind, specially when buying groceries get's harder every month. He has no clue of what the working class wants or needs, yet thinks he's qualified to call anyone else privileged. You're no better than her dude, take a sit and shut up.
@@malcolmring242 did you watch a separate vid or what
@@malcolmring242 go listen to the whole interview then
That “teacher” voice she pulls when she’s losing the argument is so insufferable.
It’s time to build the Kulinski bridge. Neo Liberal arc is here
Trump 2024
@@firefly9838 for the Mr Penitentary title maybe
Lol neither of them are neoliberals
@@donovan4222 hello father.
In the great bridge reset of 202-whatever Destiny and Kyle were cool. This is how it always should’ve been though.
Brihana at 59:20 was so infuriating. "You were somewhat abrasive, so I am going to talk slowly and softly and quietly virtue signal to my audience instead of participating in the discussion so that they can post about how unhinged you are after".
Exactly but she had no problem raising her voice and ranting at Krystal but look at much more maturely Krystal handled it
She’s right. Kyle was melting down and Briahna kept him composure. Would it be better if she screamed back? Can’t please everyone. But a calm tone works the best
@@cormacbowman6595Kyle ranted and got worked up, but describing this as a meltdown is already revealing how off base you are. His points were all coherent - a meltdown is incoherent. And I personally don't care how she responds, calm is fine, maybe even better, but she clearly responded the way she did because she thought it would make him look bad to her own audience, complete with an incredibly drawn out virtue signal about being able to relate better than Kyle to struggling Americans. By the way where did she get this figure of her and 40 million Americans that she can better relate to? Shouldn't this number of people she's claiming to represent and relate to more closely resemble the total number of green party votes?
She also did it to Cenk
He wasn't unhinged, but he was way off topic, as is Kyle's habit (I say this as a Kulinski fan). Electing the Minnesota Dems has almost nothing to do with electing Biden.
Briana joy grey is a poster child for what it means to be politically immature.
she got into harvard through affirmative action and it shows.
Politically immature = refusing to sell out 🤷
@@therambler3713not refusing to sell out, but refusing to engage with how political reality works in favor of some idealized accelerationist b******* that only hurts everyone
@@tinywhale3954you completely missed her point. There were good points on both sides of the debate.
@@tinywhale3954 the current state of US politics isn't a good enough reason to throw your full support behind it, there's obviously a point where advocating for complacency with a system is wrong. You'd never tell someone in an authoritarian nation that they should just support the establishment because that's the political reality - that's fucking insane. So if you want to argue that people like Briana should just fall in line you're gonna need a better argument than what you've put forward because asking someone to drop their principals in favor of a flawed system is substantial, it shouldn't be taken lightly.
Seeing Kubinski who was such a typical "nobody is left enough for me" crowd pleaser in previous elections adding so much more nuance and good faith to his thinking really makes me optimistic about how people can change. The stuff he's saying is not even going to be super popular with his own audience, but he's still saying it.
Kyle is actually a pretty smart guy
He needed pussay in his life
It really does go to show how few people in Destiny's audience watch No Legs when they're surprised at his high level of nuance.
@@tonytomato100lol
I don’t think he’s really changed. I remember in 2016 his stance was “vote for Jill Stein if you live in a blue state, vote for Clinton otherwise” and that seems to be what he’s advocating for here.
As a poor person the upper class Lefty politics mindset is so odd, from Brianna's side mainly, i wish i was so free from any consequences
There are some poor people that agree with Brianna or at least they say they are. If they are, then they've been sold that something can change for the better for themselves in a radical way by voting 3rd party. 3rd parties have never successfully done anything of importance for anyone by running presidential candidates. If you want things to change, joining grassroots organizations is going to be a better use of your time than throwing away your vote for a "protest" vote.
She doesn’t care about a decision that affects millions of Americans lives smh
Nothing shy of near if not literal revolution will satisfy people like this. There’s no moving towards anything. It’s either we rocket towards it at light speed or it’s never enough.
Because she doesn't see herself as a subjects in the socialist experiment. She thinks she'll be the one running the experiment which makes her more valuable than the labrats.
The editing and production is top-notch, and I'm only a couple of minutes in. Let's see if it lives up to this high standard for the entire video. Nicely done so far.
Did he get a new editor or something? I’m really liking this new format too.
@@justlooking1087I think (don't know for certain) that he just threatened to cut August's salary unless he steps up his game.
I love the tectonic political shift where Kyle Kulinski is based and Sam Seder is off kilter. It's plain as day too.
No
Seder is still against stupid protest votes
meanwhile destiny still thinks putin wants to remake a new ussr when he rolled out with a 90k security force. and is carpet bombing noone while maintaining full air control for months.
@@backwardthoughts1022 nice shit stirring. Back to Russia today with you.
The truth is, Sam Seder was always ridiculously bad-faith, along with everyone else on his show, and Kyle was always genuine and - whether you agree with him all the time or not - honest and clearly means what he says. Destiny just has really bad judgment when it comes to other people, so he thought that Sam Seder was “based” (in his own words) up until relatively recently. How a person comes to those conclusions, I have no idea. 🤷♂️
I got so much time for Destiny and Kyle being on the same screen. I NEED this crossover in my life.
It happened, and it was not good
Yea Destiny doesn’t like Kyle K though he’s giving his flowers here
The fact you NEED this "crossover" in your life is a sad damming indictment of your life.
I don’t know why he hates Kyle so much
@@legendaryliteningI didn't even know he hated him tbh
A question we don't ask ourselves often enough: "Where the f*** are the purple power slugs?"
I hope someone clips that I was ROLLIN
Ain't that the truth.
I bit my tounge and casted an anti trump vote in 2020, but ill happily vote for Biden in 2024, hes far surpassed my expectations.
bro i have free top shelf universal healthcare in 3 continents.
get on the same planet.
@@backwardthoughts1022I don't disagree, but unfortunately big medicine runs our system, and a large % of Americans drink their Kool aid on social medicine. I highly doubt we'll make any moves that direction any time soon. genZ seems to be very politically active so maybe there is hope.
@backwardthoughts1022 Jesus christ himself could have been elected and we still wouldn't have universal Healthcare in America.
That's a dumb take
@@100AcreWoodz1I believe it was Jesus, during his feeding of the multitude, who coined the phrase "there's no such think as a free lunch"
@@100AcreWoodz1 nonsense, its a numbers game and a relatively minor number is required to bring the country to a standstill.
doesn't matter anyway for you anymore, methane threshold has been reached 20mil min. climate refugees heading your way yearly beginning 2025. have fun!
The cognitive dissonance between the two statements literally back to back of "this is a vote blue no matter what conversation" and "even if Biden is 10x better than Trump Im not voting for him" is crazy. Does she even hear what shes saying? Did she expect these people to come on and just mindlessly agree with her. The fact that she refuses to be persuaded by concrete facts without any sort of evidence to the contrary is mind-boggling
No wonder her podcast is called Bad Faith
She’s a privileged woman of color. She can afford a little fascism
I don't agree with her, but her argument is that voting for Biden is essentially enabling the DNC's bad behavior. I disagree.
I agree with voting for someone else during the primary or a "safe" election, but she can hold those two critiques simultaneously
You don't understand what cognitive dissonance means. You meant "contradiction" - but even if you had used the correct word, your critical reasoning is wrong - there is no contradiction there - she was right.
@@emelle1283 yeah. No contradiction, but I find it hard to say she's right when she can't admit letting trump win was very bad
"I'm a Kulinski fan" is a statement I never even thought Destiny could think of, let alone speak.
I love that Kyle and Destiny are converging more on these issues, but I just want to shoutout Krystal here- she is absolutely incredible at reframing and directing the flow of conversations, forcing people to stay on specific points and being assertive, while still being extremely friendly and respectful. Her Bill Maher appearance was the same way. This woman is a masterful rhetorician. Hope to see Destiny talk to Krystal and Kyle soon!
Kyle just endorsed the green party. How do you feel now?
@@tonystone10K I don’t know what the Green Party’s platform is, I haven’t followed that at all
@@roennreeds Well, Destiny and Kyle have diverged on the 3rd party issue now. Destiny is still a staunch center-right Biden supporter, and Kyle hates Biden with a passion and decided to endorse Jill Stein on the far left. If they talk now, Destiny will get bodied.
i hate how briahna can go off on a rant on krystal and its not a big deal, but when kyle did it to her, she acts like the weak victim and makes its dramatic.
Medicare price negotiations never would have happened without Bernie. He has been saying that for years.
Honestly... I have enjoyed Kyle -- probably align with him about 99% on ideals, but historically only about 10% on pragmatism. If you had told me prior to 2020 election that he would be saying this sh*t I would have said no way. I never would've imagined Kyle standing up for Biden and I find it hilarious.
It's Krystal.
@@ZackHeise nah, its the fact that Biden has exceeded very low expectations.
@@taravanova if you were forced into putting a turd into your mouth but the turd didn't taste as bad as you thought does it make it any less of a turd?
@@ZackHeise It would make you re-evaluate your opinion on the taste of said turd.
@@taravanova would you freely then vote on said turd for your next meal?
cornell west when people dont pay taxes cornell west when asked about his unpaid taxes
if he ran on taxation is theft he would seem legit but instead hes running as taxes good, as he skips out on paying them
We have a contract agreement to fix the hole in my house and it was 100 dollars lol? What
Lmao her accelerationist take here is now listed under Career on her Wikipedia 😂
Kyle misses very rarely, but he ALWAYS SWINGS with the heart and his mind. I do respect the fuck out of him
Kyle destroyed her arguments
I guess he got tired of being called Kyle Ball.
Kyle is still the guy who aligns with my politics the most. Great debate. 👌🏼
Eww
Hope you're endorsing Jill Stein too
This could not be a more obvious case of only caring about ideology. Being willing to concede real harm to American citizens because you only care about the perpetuation of your own political agenda is blatantly gross.
The people who make arguments like the ones Briahna Joy Gray is making are either: (1) interested only in boosting their own profile as a radical and uninterested in actually making people's lives better; or (2) stupid, or at least ignorant about how policy and politics work. Briahna is definitely not stupid or ignorant.
I dont get the hate for Kyle, he has some unthoughtful sh!t takes but all in all ive always thought he was an ally, and he has massive influence being able to get on Rogan
He's a good dude, gives his honest response, and doesn't engage in audience capture. BJG can't really say the same.
Trump 2024
"I don't get the hate for Kyle"
"He has some unthoughtful shit takes"
That's where the hate comes from.
I think he's leaned into the Trump derangement thing a bit much but oddly it's a recent thing. It's not like I'm 2015 he was screeching and pulling his hair out.
Compared the vast majority of RUclips commentary, at least I believe he believes what he's saying or I believe he'll change his mind if given new information
@@williamkelley1971 everyone has sh!t takes amigo, Kyle seems genuine, honest and willing to change his views when presented with valid arguments and evidence
Your average democrat would vote for Skeletor as long as he ran as a democrat. Let's not pretend this is about being practical, or reasonable its just tribal political bullshit.
Sexual bargaining for nursing home workers? Sign. Me. Up!
Actual politics coverage/debates will always be preferable to me compared to unhinged orbiter drama and redpill panels. The extremely high effortposting parts of the Vaush/Keffals/Mr.Girl arcs were fun but generally the kind of content that this video is emblematic of is far more entertaining and engaging to me.
I’ve been a Kyle Stan since the beginning tbh. I think he isn’t hard enough on Joe Rogan. And I’m not a huge fan of Krystal Ball. But Kyle by himself has always been pretty solid.
He is not himself any more. He just says exactly what she says and thinks.
Destiny- You would be wrong- I’m middle class and I would agree that the working class is absolutely looking for change along the line of some socialist policies.
August I'm loving the new intros. One thing though: Maybe fade the music out for a few seconds instead of cutting it off abruptly? I think it makes for a smoother transition.
Ranked choice voting does far more than just help 3rd parties.. it also helps to decrease polarization, mitigate some of the negative effects of big money (corporate or otherwise) in politics, reduce the incumbency advantage, among many other things.
It doesn't really help 3rd parties on its own. These parties would still not get enough support to win elections for the most part. What it does is get rid of this dumb lesser of two evils talking point. To help 3rd parties gain more influence you would also need some form of proportional representation. I suspect that people like Briahna actually don't want RCV because with the current system they feel they have more power to threaten the political process by spoiling elections. She talks out of both sides of her mouth when she says she can't be held accountable for the consequences of her vote (it's always the Democrats fault for not trying hard enough) but at the same time she acknowledges her vote is risky. If you know the consequences of your actions, then obviously other people can be angry at you for still encouraging people, even in swing states, to vote like you do.
@@Cancellator5000 but winning just 1 district gives some representation in congress. The executive branch will go to the biggest party, even if it's below 50% of the total population (as it is even now, it's essentially always some 4x% vs 4x% split). if people were able to support their preferred 3rd party candidate, without essentially just weakening their 'preferred' main 2 party candidate, you don't have to 'game the system' to figure out if you can vote like you want, or tactically for R or D. If you see R or D win, but that the 3rd party candidate got 2 districts in the first round, or it increases over time, that's a pull-factor on the bigger parties to get influenced by the growing 3rd party, even if they don't have a controlling vote in congress or win the presidency
@@Mira-dp6di Yeah, I'm not saying there's no potential benefit. It's just I'd doubt that any district would go to 3rd parties. People will still put one of the 2 major parties as their 1st choice. What would be more beneficial is some form of proportional representation.
Listening to Crystal talk about Biden nowadays you would never believe she was on his side not even a year ago
Isreal stuff has haywired their brains. Kyle especially. Every single video involving Israel Palestine has some crazy title thats probably untrue most of them time.
Had Bernie gotten elected, I wonder if this woman would carry the same criticism
no question, absolutely.
They would have been calling bernie a sellout capitalist the minute he couldn't deliver on a single promise. Scorched earth, all or nothing.
They want a king in office who will make Washington 'bend the knee' , but at the same time will bend the knee to the common folk. Sorta like bernie when he got pushed off his own platform by an angry crowd
I think Bernie is probably one of the most honest politicians going. But he would ultimately be too weak to cuck everyone to his way of thinking, even just the democrats.
If he failed to deliver on his promises, then yes. And she should.
@@szahmad2416 so like part of me thinks yes, but the other part thinks that what ever misstep or shortcoming, she would blame the system and others, and use Sanders as a reason why a systematic revolution is needed.
I would be curious that if Bernie is pushed as the ppl’s hero for the Left, would they just bash the system for shortcomings
I’ve been a regular listener of Kyle for about a year now (although I knew who he was before that).. I have to admit I was a bit baffled by Destiny’s hate-boner for him. Compared to some of the genuinely toxic people Destiny has interacted with over the years, where he disagrees with Kulinski seem pretty mild by comparison.
yeah i stopped watching Destiny for a while after that. While there were elements of truth in Destiny's criticism, the vitriol against him felt forced and cherry picked and ultimately done for cheap drama points. It felt kind of gross with how over the top it was, especially since for whatever faults he has, Kyle is one of the most sincere political commentators on youtube.
Seeing leftists expose tankies never gets old
True. Same energy with trump cultists. I enjoy his takes on extremists and radicals.
@@ken420no it's the Stalinist/Leninist side of extremist leftism. I
@@donovan4222 Of course the literal Tankie who's doing the classic Russia/USSR/China simping comes out to play defense anytime the term is mentioned. Go back to watching Bad Empanada videos.
Concerning the above discussion, "Tankie" is a slang term that originally referred to communists that supported the USSR rolling tanks into Hungary and Czechoslovakia to suppress their Socialist (anti-communist) revolutions. Basically someone who wants to suppress the will of the workers and the people in order to implement a fascist dictatorship with red aesthetics. This includes all types of Stalinists and Maoists (or Marxist-Leninists as they like to call themselves).
@@ken420 No it's a stalin supporter, it comes from when the Soviet union brought the tanks into eastern Europe to put down protests, you can google this easily, spend less time on YT and read more.
@@ken420No. The person would have to be a Marxist-Leninist. I'd even understand someone adding the caveat of the person being an ML that is very uncritical of the USSR. People throw that world around too loosely. It's now term used on anyone leftist that isn't a 'Social Democrat'.
I still think the way destiny spoke about Kyle’s father was inappropriate.
"Its not a single issue. It's breaking the corporate duopoly." Thats one issue...
… with a massive effect on a whole host of other issues
You can say the same thing about many other single issues. Doesn't make them more than one issue. Kyle wanted to bring up many of the issues Biden's Government had worked on and she wanted to focus on one issue of breaking a two party system.
you lost me when you said people can't vote for who they think is best if they're in a certain state or whatever. it's not "privileged" to vote for the best candidate, it's a civic duty
Briahna cannot handle any push back…**in a DEBATE**
I’ve noticed this with her on Rising too.
She keeps putting herself in the place of being pushed back on so I think, therefore, that she can. She's certainly not conflict averse and that means you are choosing to have people push back on you.
She's terrible. BJG and her simps always play the race and woman card when she acts offended.
Lies
It’s like we are not watching the same debate.. it’s 2v1and Bria is slaughtering them lmao. Kyle is getting sonned badly.
@@withinyamind Facts!
Around the one hour mark is key. Kyle correctly makes the point, you can push hard for progressive change, WHILE STILL SELECTING the best and most realistic option in front of you.
BJG invoking “many people…” constantly is an interesting rhetorical strategy. She basically using these mythical “many people” as a Trojan horse to be able say whatever she wants and give it validity
Perfect candidate idea is wrong. I think what people are saying when they say that is "I wish I could vote for some idea or plan and not feel like i'm just voting to vote against something."
Kyle gets a lot of props here imo.
Debate summary:
Dyle Kulinskiny: "I have 80 files sitting on my desk right now of why Joe Biden is a based ass president. Acknowledge reality!"
Brihana: "No! Socialism or the world burns! REEEEEE"
Kyle in May 2024: Briahna was right
This interview should really finish her as a relevant political commentator
These people are always so slimy when they get their 1hp voice and start hiding behind their ostensible oppression once they get dismantled rhetorically. Kyle and Krystal are smashing Brianna's ideas and they support each other with subtlety that she can't accuse them of ganging up on her.
I couldn't stop laughing at the glowing eyes edit at the beginning because it reminded me of the Jonkler brainrot on Instagram.
I am really glad I saw this conversation with Destiny’s commentary
I'm depressed I have to see anything at all without Destiny's commentary.
Mr Borelli!!
Cornell is not a serious person. He does not genuinely believe in the things he claims to believe. If he did, he wouldn’t be doing a giant virtue signal that actively fights against the things he claims to believe
He's from the people party man what do you expect? They actually take money from the CCP lmao. You should look into the Rage Against the War machine protest and you would find out that it was organized by the peoples party the libertarian party and a uniformed Chinese Army Major that runs one of their propaganda wings.
Your pretence to know Cornell's heart is cute.
@@smolderingtitan
Do you believe Cornell is a liar?
He is a serious person, but not a serious candidate. Politics are beyond his expertise and he lacks the character and fortitude to not pretend to be who he's not.
@@jloiben12 no.
Kyle has become more based in recent years. He also positively reviewed several of destiny’s debates and content. We need this crossover
you overestimate Steven's impact. most people have no idea who he is.
More based? He was literally simping for crystal lady Marianne Williamson less than a month ago lol. Where is this "based" coming from?
@@KissSlowlyLoveDeeply-pm2je He knows who he is. He’s reviewed the abortion debate with those two annoying ladies.
@@drockopotamus1 I mean I consider advocate voting for Biden and giving him credit on policy that he considers a small improvement, but an improvement one the less based. In comparison to his wife and the other liberal hating progressives it’s an improvement no?
I feel like recently it’s been good news after good news of people calming down and taking more reasonable positions
I feel that way, too. Hopefully the upcoming election cycle doesn’t exacerbate the crazies to the extent that we have a reversal of fortune.
I’m digging the new editing style, August. Keep up the good work brother.
It prevented her from being elected, but not to the Senate. She wasn't running for the Senate.
Kyle actually gave based takes here.
Interesting discussion. I can understand the argument from left wing progressives on why you should support Biden vs Trump. For me, as someone that leans conservative. (Socially liberal, fiscally conservative but refuse to go with LP because they shoot themselves in the foot and virtue signal each other every chance they get ) I don't see much of a qualitative difference between the 2 major parties. I'd rank the candidates they've given us as a 1 vs 1.5 on 10 points scales. If there was a 1 vs 6 or something, I'd say vote for the better candidate. 1 vs 1.5 doesn't make an ounce of difference and I think 3rd party votes are more significant at that point.
I don't think any real change will happen until we get rid of current party leadership. Changing parties seems like the easiest way to do that. And in the whole debate, I don't care about convincing Dems or Reps to vote 3rd party. I'm pushing for the 45% the voluntarily choose not to participate - if they would participate and actually vote differently....it would instantaneously change the landscape. If they just split between Green and LP, we'd essentially have a 4 way tie and parties would be forced to address the issues that are important to voters. That's my biggest thing.
It's also interesting to see everyone expect the president to accomplish all of their campaign promises. We don't have a king. The president should be pushing his key campaign things, but ultimately it's the legislatures job to pass these things. Blaming a president for not achieving all of their goals shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the roles of government branches and basic US government ...
Love to see steven praising Kyle like this omg based i hope they become friends
So what I’m getting from your commentary about there being a losing candidate and you shouldn’t vote independent is that you are just an establishment tool, even though you claim to be anything but
This has soybyte energy and i'm here for it 100%.
Nice to see Kulinski turn up on the based-o-meter
I thought the same thing. It's the small touches like zooming in on Destiny's cam when he has a particularly memey reaction face.
The “if you vote for any third party candidate you’re privileged and wealthy” insult doesn’t really hit as hard as it does on sheltered progressives, because that’s all progressives talk about. Why would someone whose voting third party not vote in their own interests.
Who is doing this editing? Its REALLY GOOD
Destiny really made a strawman out of the standard arguement in favor of voting third party. The "lesser of two evils" isn't some weird way of expressing a that the preferred candidate is simply not ideal. It's an expression that means, in the context of presidential elections, that the preferred candidate is still so far detached from ideal that the individual saying the expression clearly feels that candidate does not represent what they'd like to vote for. It's uncharacteristically bad faith of you to assume that these people are a) being too picky AND b) are necessarily upper class or otherwise have no skin in the game. I feel like this, and many of your takes concerning popular populist talking points, demonstrate how little you actually interact with the average person.
People don't like having their sense of choice stripped away from them. The reason why the last two democratic primaries were so controversial is because in 2016, the popular vote was directly ignored (at least according to wikileaks) and in 2020 Biden won the primaries due to the extreme pressure the party placed on all other candidates to drop out and support Biden; mind you, in perhaps the easiest win for democrats that could have ever been expected. Personally speaking, the ONLY people I know that actually wanted Biden as president were a handful of boomers who thought Obama was pretty cool.
Obviously, it's okay to vote pragmatically for any election. Voting against politics you aren't in favor of is a completely valid way to engage in politics. However, pretending like people who refuse to accept a META that strictly favors voting against the candidate you don't like are somehow immoral, uninvested, irresponsible, or stupid is plainly ludicrous. It's a principled choice that demonstrates that such people are willing to sacrifice immediate optimization to display their disdain throught the most important method of politcal voice Americans have in hopes that such a decision may illicit change in the future. After all, if enough people vote against either party it may invite a change aimed at acquiring their votes. Something that, in any other discussion, Destiny would tout as proof just how important a vote is.
Ultimately, this all goes to show that in fact the single vote system we employ is insufficient in insuring the value of voting. If the options presented at every election was candidate X or 50 years in prison, we would never look at that system and say "ah yes, it's the voter's fault they were placed in prison when they clearly had a choice". In this way, it's apparent that there is need for a change that allows people to freely vote for their preferred candidate without the threat of indirectly electing a candidate that is the antithesis of their values.
"If we all rise up and demand socialism - we can change the system!" "Vote? No, I didn't. Voting is pointless."
Steven, PLEASE don't debate Ben on Jubilee!
We need a convo that's at least 2 hours long (preferably 3-4). Please debate on Joe Rogan or Lex Friedman. Ben is friends with Joe and Lex really likes you. You guys have the pull to make that happen.
I love Destiny but he should stop being such a D toward Kyle. Kyle totally operates in good faith.
I love how her main point around student debt is just "its better to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission". Just declare the debt cancelled so that the situation cannot be remedied when the inevitable court challenge rightly declares your actions unlawful. Its actually so insane to want you president to just do illegal things. If you don't understand where that would end then you need to reevaluate your mental and maybe go back to secondary school
@@donovan4222 You're essentially saying that the ends justify the means as long as it's something you support. It's completely antithetical to the democratic process, literally nobody who isn't some variety of authoritarian would consider this acceptable.
@@donovan4222do you want republicans to start operating on that policy?
@@donovan4222so as long as its vague enough just do whatever you want until someone else like the courts say no? How can you no see where this leads
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Exactly, always be wary of setting a precedent that the other party once in power can use against you.
These people all live in a bubble where student debt relief is very popular. But that is not the case with the general population and even less with key demographics that Biden is under performing with but absolutely needs if he wants to win reelection - blue collar workers and especially minority blue collar workers. I don't believe the electoral gains outweigh the losses. The people to whom this matters the most are typically liberal arts graduates who are one of the most left leaning and politically active subclass of young people. They already vote and they vote left. There are no millions of sociology majors staying home on election day. In fact they are the ones knocking on doors doing the foot work to get the vote out for Democrats. College educated young people that don' care about politics are usually busy working their ass off to get a career going. They have no trouble paying off their student loans and may even be annoyed with the fact that they had to bust their asses to get a sensible degree, get a good job and now the government steps in and rewards the ones that didn't. Anyway this won't particularly fire them up one way or another. On the other hand it will be seen as a downright insult by the blue collar working class who already feels left behind by the Democrats who are increasingly captured by the professional managerial class. Good luck getting the black vote out when you just handed out half a trillion dollars to mostly white, middle class jerk offs who already live a privileged life by comparison.
If you're saying he voted for biden with the expectation was he would do nothing then it is absolutely vote blue no matter who.
2:19 Fully agree. I've felt this way for years. I'll never understand the mouthbreathers on the losing any side who get mad at 3rd party voters in a state that's _clearly_ not a swing state. Take NJ for example. In the last two elections you could take all of the 3rd party votes, multiply them by 3, give them to the republican candidate, and they _still_ lose that state.
Biden walked back student loan relief, you expect me to believe he won't walk back his pro union positions too lmao. 11:02
Canceling student debt is not consequence-free as many seem to think.
29:00 I love the Lav cut away.
Wait. Are the people on 'the hill,' including this chick, ostensibly on the left?
talk to Kyle asap
So I take it, Krystal and Kyle are parting ways with Marian Williamson? Because I know not too long ago, they were really pushing for her.
They are still voting for her in the primaries you d******
I find it deeply telling when people are thoroughly incapable of engaging directly with points and resort to arguing against outlandish straw-man-like metaphors. These people are not willing to change their minds, they will just imagine a new scenario which "proves" their view point.
How is Steven comfortable using like 5 second snippets of copyrighted music in his recent videos? 2:11
Is it just that he knows it's unlikely he gets sued and is playing the odds or is it permissible to use < 5 secs of copyrighted music on RUclips under fair use or something to that effect?
Does Briahna actually believe that every single promise a politician makes while campaigning will 100% be achieved, and anything less is a "failure"?
Which is only achievable in a dictatorship.
Nah just big ticket items at least make an executive order for
That's naïve
Her argument is he didn’t try
@@MarkG-nl4oq So she's just wrong then.
Stop saying she cares about socialism and not policy. She doesn’t care about anything besides having the loudest voice online she can possibly have and making as much money as she possibly can. She doesn’t care about a “rEvOlUtIoN”, she doesn’t care about anything besides clout and money.
What? The lesser evil argument does not imply there is a perfect candidate at all... it's the exact opposite. That view holds that there is not only no perfect candidate but no good one and your choice is for whomever is less bad.
Really bad logic, Destiny.
Libertarians are the biggest third party *by far*, so even if they weren't campaigning for ranked choice they were doing the best to raise awareness of third party options.
Brie isn’t even advocating for socialism. She’s pushing for a leftie poster aesthetic. Krystal is the one most focused on labor rights and worker representation.
I would describe myself as radical leftist and still voted for Biden. You can be radical ideologically and still be a pragmatist.
pragmatically, the only reason I can see not voting for a "lesser evil" is because you're so insulated from the consequences of doing so that you don't need to care anymore - none of the potentially drastic life changes that affect people (those ostensibly on "your side" like minorities, people who support climate action, etc.) will impact you, which also why I believe is why I saw a bunch of "radical leftist" meme accounts in 2020, who almost always turned out to be teenagers or college students who lived in NYC, saying "voting sucks".
Yeah, maybe voting sucks for you because it doesn't give you what you want, but for the people voting for abortion rights, whose voting determines whether LGBT people are getting legal rights or are going to have to fear for their lives, who vote to determine whether their poor neighbors get gov assistance, it sure does matter. To me, it's basically telling on yourself that you're willing to make the world a whole lot worse in return for even a snowball's chance in hell that your chosen ideology gets to come out on top, even as you're insulated very well compared to others from the consequences that follow.
The whole thing strikes me as so myopic as to be ridiculous, and against the basic principle of socialism which is to be a humanistic political and economic philosophy.
Liberalism is getting a little too mainstream now. I need to find a new political philosophy to make me feel smarter than everyone
Yes finally back on the politics train 🤘🏽