Been subbed since the 1st 5 minutes of one of your videos. I like and try to comment at least once. It's the least we can do for all the work you guys put into these videos.
I was going to sub but you made an error in your transcript at 13:44. You put "she showed very little emotion..." when referring to Jeff. I'll give you another chance next month.
It's amazing to me how many of these videos you watch and how few people actually have an attorney present when they are being interviewed do they seriously think they're going to get away with it????
My mum passed away , and i shutdown , i didn’t cry , I was totally cold , just because someone doesn’t show emotion , doesn’t mean a thing . People grieve in different ways .
I totally agree. When my mom passed I assume I was just in shock because I didn't shed a tear for the first 4 days, and then I broke down driving so bad that someone had to come pick me up.
I wouldnt outwardly show anything. It would be eating me alive on the inside. I been fighting back dark depression for years. I'm kind of cold as far as expression. I feel more awkward showing or talking about personal strong emotional distress.
To be clear I think he's guilty as hell, but I'd have to have some type of actual evidence to convict him if I were a juror. That's some pitiful detective work imo.
When I lost my son(born to early), I couldn’t cry for the longest time. I was trying to hold it together for my husband and my other kids. So no, you never know how grief will affect you.
I agree, but this guy is guilty. Injuries to hands consistent with murder. Opportunity. Motive. Nobody else with a reason to kill her except for the husband, who had an alibis. Son's alibis busted. The lame phone message to establish an alibis. I wouldn't convict on emotion, but circumstantial evidence? Yes.
I was accused of a homicide of a homeless person in 2009, I was the prime suspect. Have absolutely no idea how I became involved, didn't know the killer or the victim, but I did know of the CBD building where the crime happened, my friend worked there and we would have coffee every few weeks. I've had to do interviews like this, character statements, being followed everywhere, you name it, they were throwing it at me. They were merely building a motive case on me, had zero evidence. Anyway four months later the cops had nothing, so they did a media release appealing for information, well, lucky me, two witnesses came forward and told police it was their housemate in the news footage, the killer confesses his crime hours after the murder, but the two housemates didn't believe him until they watched that footage. Ruined my life for years that one did. Everyone thought I killed this person, absolutely everyone. Mentally I just wanted to die over and over again. Was easily the most horrible experience I've even been through on the grounds I literally knew nothing with zero evidence, when you are in that position, talking your way out is nearly impossible, for me it was impossible, I had to wait for those two witnesses to come forward. Was the only thing to get me off the hook.
That is so tragic, I’m so sorry you had to go through this. That is always been my biggest fear, to be wrongfully accused of a major crime I did not commit. I hope you’ve healed from this
@@jayjokerst yeah it was certainly an intense experience. The first year during it was really hard, I had no one to turn to or anything, became homeless whilst it all happened to from the pressure police had put around me. So yeah was a lot to go through. After all this time the only question I still have is 'how did I become involved' I asked one of the detectives that a few months after the killer was sentenced. I said 'so how did I come into it?' He said he couldn't tell me. Still messing with my head.
@@jayjokerst what goes on through your mind during these interviews is torture, the line of time and questions and how they get asked is all done by a criminologist. One thing I vividly remember was at the start of questioning I was 100% sure about my actions of the day in question....... 9 hours later........ I was unsure about everything, no word of a lie, I was so so confused.
@@Brads-strung-out this is very interesting. I’ve heard this before. It makes you question the process and wonder how much false confessions have been given
Nothing, and I mean NOTHING good can possibly come for/ to you by waiving your rights to council, and talking to the Police. It's kind of similar with what DUI Lawyers will tell their clients, when pulled over. "If they pull you out, and want you to do ANY SORT of sobriety test, you refuse. If you comply, all you're doing is helping law enforcement build a better case, with more evidence, against you. They're designed for you to fail, and you're going to be arrested anyways, so just don't do it!" It's true you'll likely lose your license, but you can fight it out in court. Never talk to the police.
Nah you're all wrong. I've been interrogated after the my girlfriend's suicide and everything worked out peaches for me without a lawyer. There are the very rare exceptions, but 99% of the time if you're innocent, the evidence will speak for itself. Cops aren't stupid, and they've been doing this shit long enough to know who's guilty and who's not. It's more common for the guilty to get off than for the innocent be convicted, because it's not easy to get a conviction. You need undeniable proof, not conjecture and opinions
Lack of emotions is probably the single worst form of evidence eluding to someone's guilt after witness testimony. Nobody acts natural in these scenarios and it almost always seems like the default assumption is that we are supposed to behave like what is seen in TV and movies.
Yep exactly, some people express their grief or sadness differently. I've seen people that were sad and crying, and they would laugh sometimes, doesn't mean that they're not sad.
@@justenbenally522 It's ridiculous, it's like they're bargaining, oh if you don't want to give him first degree murder we could try second. It's like they're toying with him, which in essence, they are. 20 to 60. Eligible for parole in 20 years, probably won't go out until he's in his late 50s. Sorry about the rant, it's just crazy to me.
You think this one’s bad, look at the case of the foster daughter killing her foser mother in Ohio. She does so with a knife, while the husband was out of town. She was charged and was awaiting trial. After a year in jail, she suddenly changed her story and said that she had an ongoing sexual relationship with the father in the home for several years and he made her do it. Zero evidence to him being a part of it. We are supposed to believe a teenage girl had an affair with her foster father and didn’t tell a single soul the entire time? Teenage girl couldn’t keep a secret for 10 minutes of minor shit. He was charged, tried and convicted. Zero evidence. His conviction was entirely based on the word of a mentally Ill murderer that benefited from this accusation, and that he didn’t seem to act like he was mourning (being strong for his 2 kids that just lost their mother), and that they thought it was a little too convenient it was while he was out of town. He’s serving 40 years now. The jury should have their addresses posted after a video explanation goes viral. If they survive, deport them, bc they sure as shit aren’t American. Put em on a boat to Iran
I mean it's pretty clear. She doesn't talk to anyone. She doesn't have any enemies. It wasn't a burglary. He talks about how she was annoying to be around with manic/bipolar. It's been building up inside him since he was 7. Fresh 2 x 4 wounds on his hands and mother killed with a 2 x 4... No alibi besides a shady one about going over late to transplant some flowers... No emotion about her death and no questions. Crocodile tears at key points intended to deflect away from him. Last minute attempt to make the neighbor a suspect over a dead tree...that was an issue with his father. Slumped in his seat knowing he's moments away from being defeated. I'd cast my vote for guilty.
@@stephenwest6738 what an unintelligent post, a boat to iran? why iran? and why would Iran want them.....and who are you to say they arnt American...hell maybe you should leave because they ARE Americans and have acted like they have so maybe you just have a problem with Americans....anywho, what case was this specifically because I doubt there is zero evidence of this. nvm found it, Sabrina Zunich right?: During the trial, prosecutors said Knoefel wanted his wife dead to collect $750,000 in life insurance. At the sentencing, Judge Richard Collins said: 'I don't think there was any question she was manipulated and used by the co-defendant. “They were too friendly. They were too close. They would make sexual jokes towards each other,” Zunich’s friend Autumn Pavlik told" Investigators learned that Zunich had told her social worker that Kevin took photographs of her and gave her money, reported in 2014. On another occasion, Kevin contacted the social worker to say that he and Lisa were considering divorce and that he wanted to retain custody of Zunich. “I said, ‘Why not just divorce her?’ And he said, ‘Because I can’t do it. The girls would end up going to her,'” Zunich told producers. “He said, ‘She’s worth more dead than alive,’ and he brought out two policies, one for $500,000, one for $250,000.” While she sat in jail, he collected over $800,000 in life insurance, with which he bought cars and homes, and took flying lessons, according to Cleveland Scene. So much of this is verifiable so yeah zero evidence seems like a silly claim to make.
Being emotionless is not an indicator of anything and should not be considered. Plenty of atypical / neurodivergent folks would have little to no reaction in a situation like this
I'm one of them I think. I don't express it outwardly but I still feel it on the inside. Sometimes I feel like I gotta force myself to show emotion so I seem normal
One of the biggest things I took from law school is that talking to detectives in any even potentially adversarial context without legal help is a profoundly terrible idea.
@@greglaplace3786 they don't have to teach it directly, but if you make it through Crim. Law and Crim. Procedure without that impression you have a lot of faith in the system and a lot of trust in people. Also, the US justice system is adversarial, not inquisitorial. You don't have to convince the judge & jury that you have the 100% factual and true version of events to convict, just convince the Jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused acted in a way that makes them guilty (plus the mental state component in most cases which is primarily why they're trying to get the suspect to talk).
@@greglaplace3786 that is day one shit and cops don't just use facts wtf are you talking about... they lie and say anything they can to get you to confess... the end.... cops only use facts lol.
@@greglaplace3786Detectives use speculative evidence and then dupe their chosen suspects into incriminating themselves enough in order to fit their narrative. If you were to talk to any retired investigator, they will 100% admit that they use the reasoning “if you ask for an attorney, you look guilty” in order to dissuade the intended suspect. They will then also follow that up with “It is your right to an attorney whether you are guilty or innocent.” Don’t forget, they are not your friends. It’s their job to find the criminal and your job to protect yourself accordingly.
I confidently misremember things all the time. By the 2nd time talking to them they would catch me in a bunch of 'lies'. "Oh, you claimed to be at that concert Wednesday, October 24th, 2014- the night of the murder. But we checked with the venue and that concert was actually in 2009! What are you hiding?"
Cops do a very well job at making ppl feel like they don’t need it. You may know your rights but once you get out in the spot light and you keep hearing things like you’re not going to be under arrest, getting a lawyer makes it suspicious to us, talking to a lawyer ruins any chance of getting a lesser sentence. And then when u even ask for a lawyer half the time they’ll stay and ask 3-4 times or go abt it in a different way like “are you sure you don’t want to say anything at all” but then when u sign your rights over theyll never mention that you can leave whenever u want too or even advise to get a lawyer again. They’ll drown you in time and start to get rattled and make u wait even longer for a lawyer so they make u sit in a room w just your thoughts. It’s pretty fucked up how much they can get away w. But then again, they caught horrible ppl by doing these things and it sucks that this person is prob innocent
It’s unethical not to, yes your advice is the selfish most self serving thing you can do but can we please stop normalizing acting like the right thing to do is literally whatever benefits you the most? Society and the legal system literally cannot function with even a large minority of ppl acting that way and your message is explicitly normalizing it
@@kaidusplatinum987 putting innocent people in jail harms the individual and society. You shouldn’t talk to the police without a lawyer present because some of them only care about getting a confession and closing the case ASAP regardless if you’re innocent or guilty.
If he's lying then he is the smoothest one ever ... doesn't blink an eye, doesn't hesitate and the flow of his words is smooth, usually a sign of truth telling.
I have to agree that he never changed his behaviors, which is actually a sign that he is being truthful. I’ve had a couple separate instances where a family member and a friend died in car accidents. And I was just flat. I didn’t cry, I didn’t say anything, from the outside I probably looked ‘normal’. But on the inside I felt like a hole was blown through my chest, I felt sick, etc. There are different ways people feel and cope
If you're mother was murdered, you wouldn't wonder who killed her? You wouldn't have a full set of suspects in mind? This interview is incredibly damning.
I have a very flat affect because of past trauma and er, just not liking people very much. If someone tried to elicit a stereotypical response from me in this situation it just wouldn't happen because it's not in my personal library. I hate the way cops want to see screaming and crying and will actually bully women especially in these situations to try and force an 'acceptable' response.
@@complimentary_voucher They know that they will see different responses from different individuals, what they don't like is a complete absence of response. They will just factor it into their calculation.
To gain more evidence they should of asked him which plants were put in the ground. It would be obvious of a recent planting, also check the basement for signs of sweeping..
I’m thinking even if you have to be in custody until your attorney shows up, you NEVER, EVER open your mouth and think being friendly with an interrogator will benefit you, at all.
I know you're probably talking about an innocent person being interrogated, but in certain contexts, such as a missing son/daughter, or spouse, when time is of the essence, asking for an attorney is a classic sign of guilt in the eyes of the police. If you are in such a position, and are guilty, it can add to their suspicion to call for a lawyer.
My mom was bi-polar and she was very unstable.I understand his flat personality .When you live with a person who is up and down you learn to keep your self flat so you do not draw there anger.It is a survival skill you develope In childhood.You also have to constantly be in tune with there emotions. It is a very sad life for the children of a mentally ill parent. It took me until I was an adult to realize I was a survivor of domestic violence. I had to get help and I recommend if you are suffering in that situation tell someone so you do not feel so alone get help so you can cope with there illness.
Yep. You couldn’t have explained that any better. It’s a skill that you learn while walking on eggshells not to trigger the perpetrator. I’m living this life now it’s horrible. My partner is bipolar (not on medication) violent and has severe OCD. I basically have to be in tune with his emotions to protect myself.
@@wvrjl I had a terrible experience with a friend that went complete manic. He purposely took too many pills as well. After the incident, I did some research online about the effects on surrounding people, government advice, studies, a thesis maybe. I found absolutely nothing. Everything was about the patient, all wrapped in cotton wool. Nothing about, say, public safety. When they go off their head, it is so easy for an innocent bystander to get hurt or distressed.
This is what happens when people say “well an innocent person would/wouldn’t act that way” People SUCK at imagining how they would act in a stressful situation. People are falsely convicted every day based on nothing but sheer assumptions.
Sheer assumptions my ass. Tons of evidence in this case. Id say the real danger is people believing in all the gamesmanship about stress and mental trauma, which he is akin to the medeival belief in spirits. "I showed zero surprise, shock, upon learning my mom was dead because I was inhabited by spirits!"
Those sores on the hands come on. I worked with thousands of wooden pallets. The only thing i got was a small sliver. It doesn't leave blisters handling one pallet.
It's human nature to react a certain way to certain things. If my mom was found dead I'd be asking questions not answering them. Then I'd tell the cops to do their jobs.
It's funny how detectives sometimes start these interviews by saying, "We won't take to much of your time". While they're hoping the rest of your life.
"Sorry, I'm going to take up some of yours. Lawyer." _Especially_ if I know I have done nothing wrong. Every question they ask is designed to get confirmation on some point of their own theory, even the "small talk." You never know what one little point will fit in to their story and you end up convicted. A few hours in a holding cell and a trip before the commissioner/judge is a small price to pay to make the prosecution build a case based on, you know, actual _evidence._
He seemed pretty calm, he was straight forward. I remember when my dad committed suicide, I was in shock, and numb. It took me two weeks to finally cry. I felt like a pos for not feeling anything instantly. We can’t judge people on if they cry or not. There should be shock, he didn’t ask any questions about it either which is odd. Him calling his associate and leaving a voicemail about it, was kind of suspicious. Marks on hands. Really more forensic work needs to be done on this one. I’m sure they did and that’s why he got convicted
I am so sorry about your father. I agree with you, mixed about the emotions bc I know they are different for each person but the injuries, the call, no questions or concern on his end all seem sus. The tone used and at one point he sounded nervous to me too.
My heart goes out to you, friend. I’ve thought about it but I could never hurt my family like that. Your father must have been in tremendous pain. I’m sorry.
The part that stood out to me was when they asked about his day at work. He said the first thing he did was check the bathrooms and then put a keg of hard cider under the bar. It wasn't until they asked about his hands that he added the story about the palette. If you only spent a short time at work and one of the things you did caused you injury, you would think you'd mention it, especially if it was the first thing that allegedly happened. Not saying that proves he did it, just thought it was an interesting detail.
Just being so calm wen asked if he killed his mother. I would be out my seat saying I couldn't kill anyone. He was just to calm about being asked if he killed his mother. Guilty 💯
I work at a store with 3 bathrooms. It is impossible to get the men to clean let alone even pick up in any bathroom, even the ones they use. It seems odd to me that a guy would check the bathrooms FIRST THING.
@@smokeykitty6023 lol I've worked in a store with 5 bathrooms and us men kept them SPOTLESS. The women's bathroom on the other hand? GRROOSSSS. We wouldn't even walk in there.
How in the heck was his ex girlfriend allowed to testify about him supposedly cheating on her and lying? What kind of judge allows something like that to come in? so so weird. having that be his "nail in the coffin" is especially ridiculous.
Exactly that was not even relevant to the case and just because he lied to her, cheated, etc that is something that many or almost all people in relationships romantic or not experience And what is suspicious or evidence to prove by him discussing his feelings and emotions anger sadness etc with his girlfriend that is what you do and that cam demonstrate that he wasn't hiding his anger emotions etc but expressing them which is very helpful and don't get me wrong nothing is 100% effective but this supposed evidence presented with ex girlfriends testimony did not prove indicate or even connect the murder to him and clearly proves that there is more to this which can point to someone else but laziness and not doing thorough investigations can unfortunately and does put innocent people in jail all the time This was lazy and I'm hoping they get an appeal and they can get a new trial which presents facs evidence things relevant to the case and that his defense can prove his innocence and yeah I'm not 100% sure what happened but that's why we have a justice system and common logic shows the state did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt
Cheating as nothing to do with the murder. Totally irrelevant. The judges are so corrupt. Police are so corrupt. It’s makes me scared to ever call them for anything
It does seem abnormal, but in this case it seems to be just one piece of evidence of what a cold person he is, high in psychopathology which does mean he's more likely to have committed the crime
I always try to tell people, if ur being questioned(interrogated)keep ur mouth shut and ask for a lawyer. Guilty or not, ur not gonna talk urself out of it. They don’t wanna hear “your side of the story”. They’re trying to build a case against u and by u continuing to talk, ur only helping them. SAY NOTHING!!😳
@Tiiaa I couldn't agree more. Several years ago, my juvenile son was picked up with his friends for suspected mailbox 📫 bashing. All the parents were called and asked if they had our permission to question our children. At the time, I was a criminal defense paralegal. I was the only parent who said they did NOT have my permission. My son was the only one who did not get charged and convicted. Those poor kids got a conviction for... Get this... Terroristic threats!!! Like you said, keep your mouth shut and ask for an attorney!!!
That was some of the most pathetic evidence or lack there of I’ve ever heard in a guilty verdict.Cant even imagine how many innocent people have been locked up.
Jury of your peers people… most of the people that want to spend time on jury duty aren’t the brightest in the bunch.. you’re putting your life in the hands of average intelligence at best. But in the end… he’s guilty. You tell me I killed my mom and I’m fighting you tooth and nail and not trying to blame it on a neighbor with a dead tree..
Dumbest thing was "co-workers said it was virtually impossible to get an injury that way" .. they experts, they see his fresh wounds? That's some hillbilly forensic science, my hands get scraped many different ways from work that my co workers may or may not experience.
The detectives did a horrible job on this case. I believe he looks guilty but beyond a shadow of a doubt I could not convince somebody for 20 to 60 years with no evidence. You can’t just listen to an ex girlfriend claim that they have no emotion during an interrogation and the fact that they didn’t install some bushes.
I agree, he looks guilty, but I would hope it would be people like you who were on my jury who could say “ hey he looks guilty but there’s not enough evidence to say he’s guilty for sure” that’s when they’re supposed to be found not guilty. I’m sorry but I would rather a guilty man get off a charge and be set free than imprison an innocent. Otherwise it sets the precedent to convict on circumstances alone. There’s been many cases where it looked extremely bad for one person but ended up it was someone else.
I found my brother dead from an overdose six months ago and I still haven’t been able to cry. Anytime it comes to mind, I still have trouble wrapping my head around it. He was my best friend for 28 years. He was my hero. I cannot find it in me to accept it and basically accept defeat is how it feels to me. It’s heartbreaking. I’ll become extremely quiet and down and depressed, sorta robotic.. but I haven’t been able to cry yet. I’ve been suicidal from this, still no tears. It sucks. You can’t tell me it means I don’t give a shit about him.
I am so sorry for your loss, my heart goes out to you! I can’t imagine what that was and still is like for you but I can tell you that if you turn to Jesus that he can help you. The peace he can grant is amazing. Also please DO NOT even think about suicide. That doesn’t end anything and is definitely not God will. There are grief support groups that you could contact for help. There are others who have been where you are and will understand. They are in person and online. I’m not going to say your pain will end but it will be different eventually enough that you can cope. Big hug 🤗 And perhaps someday you will be that support for someone in your shoes, and God will send you to be there for them. (My mom passed in jan and I still haven’t been able to cry. I have family angry at me for not crying when they decided I should have) Still not real to me. Still feel like I’m in shock.
I'm so sorry for the loss of your brother. It sounds like you are still in shock, and we all deal with trauma and loss differently. there's no 'right' or 'wrong' way about it. I was wondering if you might have considered grief counselling? The reason I would suggest it is because unexpressed sorrow can manifest and may utterly overwhelm in unexpected ways/situations. I wish there was something more solid to give you, I can't imagine what you've been through.
I understand you so well. In May the police came to my door to tell me my son was found that morning, he had passed away. I have had such a difficult time dealing with this. It’s as though my mind shuts off and won’t let me think about it. Yet I feel the same things as you describe. Numb, void, silent, in pain. I hope you find healing in thoughts of your special times with your brother, that will always be with you.
@mike sprigg I talk from much experience. Jesus helped me through so many things, divorce, death of loved ones, addiction, heart ache, physical and mental pain. I hope that some day you will repent and accept his loving sacrifice and follow him. He’s the only person that ever has or can sacrifice his life to pay for your sin. Amazing Grace, amazing love! Amazing peace!
The sore in the photo of his hand was superficial and small. The large bandages were placed by ambulance staff. Real overkill and created a bigger red flag. potentially.
yeah that's the problem with our justice system RIGHT THERE. You willing to bet his life on something so silly as a bandage... which by the way he didn't even do. The ambulance did it just before he walked in there. He didn't do that.
The whole time I was watching, I was thinking, "wow this guy is the best criminal I've ever seen in an interrogation"... He seemed so believable, I was waiting for him to get busted.. I wanted to see how they get him to confess.... But then, the video simply ends with "him acting suspicious"? WUT? He could really be innocent! If anything, his calm reaction could be due to the fact that he grew up with a bipolar mom.. He learned to stay calm and collected during her manic episodes...
I spent 36 hours trapped in my own house with a friend in a manic episode. Non-stop talking, no sleep, no escape. Her husband was traveling in another country but he ended up closing off their debit card bc she'd tried to drain the account before she came to my place. Hated taking her meds. It's a sad situation. Why take a drug that removes that high, slows you down, removes all that 'productivity' ...??
He may have done it but how ridiculous was it for anyone to give any weight to the testimony of a pissed off jilted ex girlfriend who only claimed that he was a good liar? Add the bail out option for the jurors to a lesser crime and this young man’s fate was sealed.
@@ProudPatriot007 ..just what I was thinking, very weak case- even for just manslaughter... I'm Hoping the trial contained more evidence that wasn't shown here 🤷🏽♂
when my dad died i initially cried seeing him laying at the hospital all the doctors with the look on there face of "he aint gonna make it" i broke down made me want to go see my son.. didnt cry at his funeral was more a sense of staying strong but then after that i just randomly broke down crying for years after sneaks up on people in different ways
Convicting him partially on his lack of emotion is ridiculous. I can honestly say, if anyone had ever murdered the woman who was our mother, not one of us would have felt sadness. She was pure evil and there were no child protective laws at the time so it escalated over many years. When she died at an old age, all of us let out a sigh of relief.
Can't say I'd be particularly bothered if I found out someone murdered the majority of my family. You don't have to care just because you're related, and I always find it super toxic when people suggest that you should, and that there's something wrong with you if you don't. It's because there's something wrong with them that I don't, thanks! Mind blowing he was found guilty without a single shred of evidence. It wasn't even circumstantial evidence. They had nothing linking him to her death. At all.
So, because he didn’t respond with the “correct” emotions during his interrogation, his coworker didn’t get the same marks on his hands while moving a pallet (with gloves on) and because his ex girlfriend whom he cheated on said he was a good liar when he cheated on her (even though she obviously found out about it anyways) they were able to find him guilty? I’m not sure if anyone has ever heard this or not before, but according to folklore, some girls might not always say the kindest things about their ex boyfriends who cheated on them. No motive, no murder weapon, no forensic evidence on his clothing/shoes that he didn’t change, and with no witnesses, I would think it to be obvious that there is reasonable doubt that he did it. Remember, the justice system is supposed to operate on the premise that it is preferable for a guilty person to be found not guilty as opposed to an innocent person being found guilty. In my opinion, the jury got it wrong on this one and most likely decided his guilt based on being emotional about a woman being beaten with a 2x4 and someone had to pay for it, rather than making sure an innocent man not be sent to prison.
Firstly, those pieces of evidence you listed are the least important in determining a proper verdict. The facts are, she was killed using a 2x4 from the garage she was in. Who would not bring their own weapon to kill someone in their own garage? And how would they sneak picking up a 2x4 and hitting her from behind after opening the door to the garage? Then there is the fact that he lied about planting anything at a client’s home, when they weren’t even there. He had 0 reason to lie about that. It must also be a coincidence he has hand wounds caused by wood. He never mentioned stacking pallets until after they asked about the injuries, which would be the most obvious task to recall if you got hurt. The fact they never found dna would imply the murder was done with strong enough familiarity with the location and timing to not leave dna. No random person could’ve covered their tracks this well. Especially after improvising with the murder weapon. If it were just a few anomalies and coincidences, it would be plausible, but altogether it’s very damning. It is completely reasonable for a jury to convict this killer.
@maytrucks3969 In a court of law, a Defendant is supposed to be found guilty beyond reasonable doubt. The reasoning for this notion is the belief that it is preferable for a guilty person to go free than an innocent person be sent to prison. If I remember correctly, the actual saying goes along the lines of: it is better for 100 guilty men go free than one innocent man go to prison. In my opinion, there was not enough solid evidence presented for a conviction and there was more than enough doubt presented in this case that he should have been found not guilty. Remember, a person being found: “Not Guilty” in court does not mean that the person was proven innocent. It just means there wasn’t enough evidence presented by the prosecution for a guilty verdict.
Oh boy! I was shocked at the end absolutely NO evidence, no DNA, no blood, the crime scene wasn't cleaned up at all but STILL NOTHING?!? Nada?!? Also hearing his dad at the end...look I don't know if he did it or not, none of us do, but it REALLY bothers me he was convicted based off what we just heard. Slippery slope.
His DNA is on everything, they live in the same house. How convincing is, "we found DNA linking you to the crime" when the suspect lives there? 🙄 Evidence they had was incredibly strong, if not overwhelming. Lied about flowers, lied about injuries at work, this damning interview here, history of domestic violence. The only thing they didn't have was premeditation, and that means it's second degree.
If she scratched him like the scratches on his arm she would have dna under her finger nails. If he had blisters and cuts from swinging the 2x4 he would of dropped piece of skin of fluid at the crime scene. The crime scene was not cleaned yet they found zero dna from the son, zero with a crime scene that wasn’t cleaned
@@MultiJosh1011 well did they find any DNA of anyone else? If there was DNA of anyone under her fingernails you guarantre they would have tested it, the labs would have seen it, and he wouldve been cleared. The scratches don't have to come from her fingernails, they are evidence of a violent encounter. You attack your mom she's not scratching your arm. If could be from hiding the 2x4 in the woods. The fact that he got injured so badly the day of that he got bandaged by the paramedic who Noticed it, that not only did no one at work confirm his injury, but that they said it couldnt even occur at work, is sus as hell. If I got injured at work, enough so that the paramedic had to bandage me, literally everyone at work would know about it. People don't like thinking through things do they.
My father, who I loved dearly died suddenly and unexpectedly of pneumonia several years ago and although I have experienced profound sadness and grief, to this day I haven’t shed a tear. Everyone deals with grief differently. Based on the evidence presented I can’t believe this case even made it to trial and the fact he was found guilty is staggering.
It's like the defence lawyer said. The jury likely didn't have enough evidence to give a verdict of "guilty". So they added in 2nd degree murder (still not enough evidence) so that both sides of the hung jury can "compromise". I can't believe that's even legal.
"Based on the evidence presented..." These videos vs an actual trial are 2 very different things. For a jury of 6-12 jurors (depending on the state the trial takes place) to unanimously agree on a verdict and sentence, well, they are all going to have seen and heard enough collective evidence to believe beyond a reasonabke doubt of their decision because at the end of the day they still have to be able to sleep at night with their decision. I was a juror on a death penalty trial that had national coverage from the get go and I have yet to see anybody that even knows half of what us jurors were shown/told the entire few week trial. Trust me, when you have someone's life in your hands from any amount of jail time to their actual life, you will go through every bit of evidence until all jurors are confident in their decision and can all agree on the same thing(s). Even if the case is beyond clear, jurors will still go through everything in the jury room together- numerous times if needed. Our justice system may not be perfect, but it is hands down the best/most fair on this planet.
I witnessed a pretty horrible crime. One that has impacted my life since. I was not a suspect or anything like that. I was very calm speaking to the police as I wanted to be the best witness as possible, even though all I wanted was to cry and scream. Sometimes being calm is the best thing u can do.
I'm so sorry that happened to you. I, too, chose to provide info to the police as the only witness to a crime. The cop I spoke to told me I had amazing recall, and gave detailed info that most witnesses never could. I told him that in the moment I was terrified, and it caused the image to be burned into my memory like a picture I could see as clearly as if it were a snapshot taken that I could hold in my hand. People act differently during times of stress. Some break under it, some become stronger. There's a reason that the reaction to danger is known as flight fright or freeze. Precisely because people react differently.
Innocent people don’t feel like they need a lawyer. The first time around. Then we wind up in jail staring at our plastic spork at 4:30 in the morning waiting on officers to feed the morning slop. Some are just luckier than our friend here to not have a jury with a collective IQ of 87. I trusted that detectives would see that I was innocent. And for that, I later faced a stacked deck with a DA that tried to hide evidence for 2 years, amongst other underhanded tactics. But like any lawyer will tell you, jury selection is the most important part of any case going to trial.
@@NorthGeorgiaAudit (I don't get all your slang and am being abused longterm by social authorities), but always thought the jury consisted of sensible, trustworthy individuals with good observation, reasoning, and sense of judgment...is it not so then? Or is it that the law has changed in practice, loóke they did about me, (as long as no one challenges it and objects!?) So did you have to be locked in for 2 years although innocent? And did they hide evidence FOR you? Does stacked deck mean that they had messed with the cards so to speak, beforehand, so that the game ws rigged? They have done similar to me, and i didn't know that social officials with the job to próvide assistence and make life better finally, act nice but deceptive without me knowing orr suspecting, or noticing an d suffering, but being withheld all facts , plans, rights etc and not encountered, so tha one feels increasinngly derealized, depersonalized, depressed, weakened, non-exisent, worthless, stupid, humiliated, , guilty for being stressd and angry for no clear reason and while they talk with such calm and nice voices...I haveAspergers, meaning I don't understand double play .luckily I study to not go mad, and so I learn and get a bit less sick of my self-esteem. it is said that bit is we the citizens , who have to speak up against corruption, violation of the la, of democracy . But they have weakened us and our social skills, abilities, interests by introducing cell-phonies on most of us, weakening and isolating us from each other, aking it harder to organize and co-work withstrangers, as was done before when a crisis or war happened. I saw old documentary of life in bunkers during bombing, how well strangers organized and co-worked. I wonder how the jury is selected, does each prosecutor do it, or the judge? I hope you are out ,and with your self-worth intact. I try to look at my misery as my military service, sth to learn from and be strong in.
The fact that he didn’t even ask what happened to his mom is what’s making me feel like he’s really guilty. When my father passed suddenly, my first question was “what happened?”. When my husband died and I spoke to the coroner, one of my first questions to him was if he knew “what happened?” I understand that everyone handles things differently, but it’s usually people that already know what happened, that don’t ask that question immediately after being told your loved one is gone. Especially if it’s something sudden and unexpected like a murder.
It's categorically false that people who know are the only ones who don't ask. When you hear that your mother was found in a gruesome, bloody scene, you can't predict how your brain will react. He has spent his life in a tumultuous home where his unmedicated mother exacted a lot of trauma. He had to become an expert at shutting down and shutting out just to get through his childhood, which is exactly what it looks like in the interrogation.
Which is why he probably did it. Probably isn't enough, though. Based on the evidence it seems there was reasonable doubt. Sometimes I feel juries don't really get this. The lack of any dna evidence is surprising since this was an up close, brutal murder where blood should have been everywhere.
He looked a little slow. Not everyone has your level of comprehension or understanding. This guy had the same job since leaving school so hardly a big achiever. I hope you never serve on a jury.
Best comment of all the ones above you. This should be pinned. As long as the police have a timestamped photograph of the property, I find your reasoning irrefutable. He simply knew that he needed to account for the time when he was disposing of the evidence and was forced to fabricate (which was his "mistake").
My ex had bipolar. She was an absolute nightmare. She would be violent and hyper angry for 3 days straight and then, on the fourth day, she'd be happy and suggesting the whole family goes out for a picnic.
Bipolar is a very difficult disease to live with. You never know who is going to be next to you at any given moment. The important thing is - they don't choose this. They don't know anything beyond what they're currently experiencing. Loving those that have it is so important, at least to be there for the beautiful moments. Hang in there ❤️
@@alleschwartz4821 that is not exactly true. They can stop some of their behaviors. R behavior. Sure. They cannot help some of the mood swings , but they can control their
That sounds more like borderline. Bipolar doesn't switch within the week. It's weeks of mania and then depression maybe longer. The anger kinda gives it away too.
As someone who became a suspect, was arrested, charged and held for 2+ years, I personally know how bad investigations can land someone in a horrible position. Luckily justice worked in my favor. But I suspect I’m the anomaly after being acquitted of all charges.
God, her poor husband. That phone call was heartbreaking. Imagine losing the love of your life and then finding out that your only son brutally slaughtered her. I hope him and his daughter are able to heal and remember their wife and mother fondly. Edit: made this comment before I finished the video. Hope the daughter is healing. The dad needs serious help.
I definitely think he did it. His lack of emotion isn't the key factor, it's the fact that he had injuries on his hands and called the woman he had been working for when there was no reason to call her. It was for alibi purposes only. Plus he never asked how she was murdered. I've seen a lot of these videos and the murderer never asks that question.
Disagree about the phone call because it didn't create any alibi only a possible timeline that couldn't be verified. Along with the hand injuries the second most important thing was actually the lie about the plants, that simple lie destroyed his whole credibility.
I can remember when i was a kid I got in trouble for something I didn’t do, yet I admitted guilt. My teacher kept telling me that I did it and I just wanted it to stop so I said I did it. She had kept me after school for an hour accusing me of saying the “F” word. I never said it, I didn’t use words like that as a child. She forced me into confessing to something i never did. Now I’m in my early 50’s, I’ve never forgotten that lesson and how it happened. So after experiencing that I’d say yes even when innocent you need a lawyer. Even tho the police investigators will say to you, only the guilty lawyer up. I work construction, my hands have cuts all over them, on a daily basis. So.... what, I’d be a suspect based on my hands then. That’s not right.
Big deal. Show me where they are "forcing him" in this interview. Also, I've worked with a lot of construction guys. I didn't notice "cuts all over" their hands. I'd only suspect you of being not too competent on the job.
once someone did something, and i accused a kid who was a bully , it somehow came back that i was one who started the accusation, they cleared the bully, and then they assumed i did it..!
It always amazes me that none of these people "lawyer up." Guilty or innocent, I'd holler "lawyer" before I even sat down. The only thing I can think of is they don't want to ask for a lawyer because they think that automatically makes them look guilty.
@@ijk9142 maybe, and you may spend some time in the pokey but do what you have to do for the end result: Justice and your freedom. As soon as they bring you in (probably before, actually) say “I want a lawyer.” Simple as that. Answer no questions, they shouldn’t ask any after that. “I want a lawyer.” 4 words may separate you from an injustice hell existence and your freedom.
Holy cow! They could not prove that he had murder his mom. But he still has to serve 20 years just because they couldn’t prove that he didn’t do it either?
@@ClumsyRoot That was his Dad who made the phone call and he was not acting. That evidence was not definitive and that is why the prosecution added a charge. It's also how innocent people end up in jail. The police commented on his scratch marks and yet no DNA evidence was found under the Mother's fingernails or tying him to the crime at all. This could possibly mean their assumptions with his behavior were also wrong. There is definitely reasonable doubt in this case. It doesn't sit well with me for these reasons.
@@tiffanysteadman7822 for real who the fuck are these people saying hes guilty as hell unreal bias going on here there is no evidence to connect him to the crime other then what a jilted ex some guy in a ware house wearing gloves throwing pallets around Thats ridiculous ive busted my hand a bunch when i was careless and in a rush
I can totally understand and relate to his "lack" of emotion. Everytime I get horrified news it's just like someone slapped me in the face and then I go totally numb. I don't feel anything at all right there and then. It usually takes day or so before I can process what's happend and then all the feelings and emotions surface.
can you relate to his mysterious coincidental injuries and feeble alibies and history of lying lol??? you know who also has a lack of emotion at a death? the killer! can you relate to murdering people!??!
@TheBOG3 interesting. I had no idea. Makes me feel bad. Not for the killer, obviously 👀 but just for men that bald early in general. You can't help genetics or possible conditions you have. 😢
I’m 51 year old male who was diagnosed bipolar at the age of 35. Bipolar disorder is a horrible disorder that not only affects the person but it impacts every person in their life. I personally believe that this young man is guilty but if I was a juror I would have had a difficult time convicting him from such little evidence. I don’t believe the jurors understand what reasonable doubt means.
The calmest moment I’ve ever had in my life was while being robbed at gun point. People process things differently. If you had told me I would be in that situation an hour before the last thing I would’ve thought I would have been was calm. I personally do think he was guilty, lying about the transplants and odd alibi phone call, but I don’t think there was enough there for a conviction. But someone’s perceived “odd” behavior to a high stress situation isn’t enough for me to say guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
exactly. i think he’s guilty. but i don’t think based off the evidence he should’ve been convicted. but as someone who has people in her family w crazy mental health issues, i think he did it
OMG... how could you not react the way I think I would in the situation that I've never been in, but you have and yet you're not behaving the way I think you should??!!! - Average person
Had a gf commit suicide about 12 years ago. For about 2 months the investigators tried to pin it on me but she had been diagnosed with terminal cancer and had already been diagnosed with severe depression as a kid. Didnt take them long to figure out that my lack of emotions wasn't due to my guilt, it was due to my acceptance. I knew she was going in the next 6 months. She chose to go out on her terms.
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Wow just wow. Some of these comments brought me to tears. Really gave me a different view on people suffering from bipolar how they feel. I think I always imagined it when they have an episode like they don't really recall but that's not true. The separation you all feel really gave me a different perspective thank you.
When I was informed of my brothers murder, I freaked out, could NOT cry... I stumbled with my words, racing thoughts, I couldn't keep my mind on one thought... I was stuttering & my mouth reflected exactly what my mind was doing..plus I was trembling from head to toe...I could have potentially looked guilty... EVERY person who loved him behaved SO differently as I notified each one!One of our VERY CLOSE relatives was very calm & collected...she SEEMED completely unaffected... It took days before she broke down. His murder was witnessed so none of us were suspects...BUT in my mind, I was devastated and horrified, yet I couldn't cry... I could not form a full sentence... And before I knew the details of his murder, I worried that they'd think I had something to do with it because even tho my world was just destroyed... I wondered HOW I had not one single tear!!! My mind was thinking about EVERYTHING all at once, including what the police might think of ME! Not saying this guy is innocent AT ALL... Just saying, the SHOCK your brain goes through when someone you love is murdered (or even just being notified of unexpected death) it creates a WIDE variety of reactions, none of which are controllable!! I just can't stand when people judge others guilt or innocence purely based on initial reaction of a death notification. In my experience with lots of other close deaths (in which I reacted similarly with racing thoughts & inability to cry) & having to give MANY horrible notifications of different loved ones passings.. It's not a black & white type of reaction people have! It's not even just black, white & grey...I'd say it's an ugly dark rainbow of reactions!! There is absolutely NO WAY you can say someone is guilty based on how they react to a loved ones death... ESPECIALLY when they are murdered. THIS is why having an attorney present during any police questioning IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY!!! It's scary to think back at how guilty I probably appear when someone I love dies unexpectedly (based on society's ideas of HOW a person SHOULD react)
you're right. It's why body language is, for the most part, a complete psuedoscience and judging peoples guilt or innocence according to an interpretation of it is pure folly. You know first hand from just within your own family of some of the range of differing reactions to this type of news. I don't like when they say that the person reacted like this/didn't react like that because it is subconsciously saying that there is one singularly appropriate and correct way to react to news when being interrogated by police but some people (like me) would have a tendency to laugh at news of death. It's not in a mocking way, not malicious, just a reaction I seem to have to it, which would look guilty as sin. Thankfully, I've not known anyone personal to have been murdered. This one is tricky. I think he did it most likely, but the evidence just wasn't there. Saying that, if it was some outsider there surely would have been something left behind.
How long after the murder was this interrogation? Every major negative event in my life has taken me about 24 hours to really react to it. It's like I go into a short period of shock for initial processing. If anything ever happened to my family, it would be completely unfair to judge my emotional reactions for that first day or two.
That was my thought as well. I believe they said it was the same day. The characterization of his show of emotions toward the end as being "shallow and forced" is ridiculously subjective; it could easily be that the truth of the matter is just starting to really register. It's the wounds on his hands that give me suspicion, not his demeanor.
@@wvrjl Fresh, unusual injuries on his hands consistent with swinging 2X4 at someone in a rage hours after finding his mum beaten to death with a similar type weapon. Not proof, but it is extremely damning circumstantial evidence.
I thought the same thing. Just because he doesn't react to his Mom's death like they think he should, and, a co-worker described how you could get injured with a pallet? Seriously. Very shaky evidence.
@@Johnny53kgb-nsa a two by four is twice as thick and heavy as the wood used in a pallet. By swinging the wood it would cause abrasions as the rough wood passes over the skin (same motion as a baseball bat swing)
Our justice system is so terrifying! I would never want to be judged by people who cannot separate facts/evidence from emotions. It doesn’t matter how much we think someone did something, if there’s no evidence, there should be no case. As unfortunate as that is, it would prevent so many innocent people from going to prison. I always think about the Jessica Chambers case. I watched Quintons entire trial & the evidence wasn’t there, but hundreds of thousands of commenters were saying they’d convict him. I don’t think he was innocent, but I can still put my feelings aside & say they had no hard evidence. Idk if this guy did it or not, but I can again say there’s not enough evidence. I have a feeling if he didn’t do it, we’ll be seeing a documentary about him in 9 years after his family finds out who really did it & by that time his life is already broken beyond repair.
@@TiptonMama Right! It’s literally guilty until proven innocent these days & even then if the court of public opinion thinks you’re guilty, it doesn’t matter what a judge says 😅 I laugh when people say “I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6”… That’s a tough choice these days since depending on the situation, both can be the same outcome, just one is a slower ☠️
@@christopherwharton6022 Not if they don’t connect it with DNA. Otherwise, it’s circumstantial. I thought so too, but upon further research I can’t find anything about that or the pallets or missing 2x4 being used in trial with any kind of physical or DNA evidence.
He's so calm and has all the answers. He's not doing the things these channels say prove someone is lying. Other than the injuries. I mean it seems any and all behaviors can be "proof" of lying. There are as many examples of the accused loudly objecting as there are of them being calm.
So I watched a lot of these videos and they're always calm. I have never seen a guilty person act angry ever. People who care about the death of a loved one are not calm.
If you're told your mother was murdered you don't start talking about her being a manic pain in the ass. He killed her lol Body language analysis is just a tool and it's not reliable at all just like a polygraph.
@@randomgrinn Darrell Brooks, Micheal Peterson, Alex Murdaugh, Kim Kessler, Sara Boone, Chacey Pointer, etc, etc, etc. Lots of examples of guilty accused being indignant & loudly proclaiming innocence. Check em out.
The thing that makes him seem guilty to me is the phone call to the neighbour. The way he mentions he was there for about an hour seems unusual unless he knew he needed to be accounted for during that time. He would surely just say what jobs he has done that day. He also said she gave him a list of things to do and he follows that list, surely if he knew that the neighbour wanted him to do these things he wouldn't need to call her and he also said he doesn't usually do this. It just doesn't seem normal to me. 🤔
This was more suspicious than injuries caused by wood on his hands , mere hours after his mother was beaten to death with a piece of wood ? Lol .. nah I’m busting your chops , you’re right it’s very suspicious . But his hands have me certain he did it .
I can understand him knowing how long he spent there because he was going to start work right after that. What makes it suspicious is how he reacted when the detective pressed him on it. He didn't have a good answer for why he decided to call this time when he normally didn't and it was obviously making him nervous. I do wonder what happened to the murder weapon , though - getting rid of it means disposing of a bloodstained 2x4 in a relatively narrow timeframe well enough that it's never found by police. Also, he had scratches on his arms they were asking about, but his DNA wasn't under her nails. Interesting and weird case.
He'd been there several times and she hadn't been home. I got the impression he was used to touching base and checking to see if she's happy with what he'd done so far. I think he said it was unusual that he was on his third visit where she hadn't been home and THAT was unusual, so he wanted to check in with her, maybe about getting paid.
I’m a 64 yr old lady, I’m also dying with cancer, I’ve two sons that when I had to tell them my surgery which removed my lung, 5 ribs and many glands 8 weeks ago was not enough…one son cried and hugged me, told me how he loved me….my other son showed no emotion…..so does that make one better than the other? No definitely not…you see people are different….I’m sorry for this young man being convicted because he showed no emotion."…wrong kind of justice maybe….I’m so unsure here……if he did do it then he’s gone to the right place….I just am not convinced….but I am convinced both my sons love me equally…just show it different ways….god bless that family 🙏🙏❤️❤️☘️☘️
It was sad to read your story (have cancer myself 🙄), can't live forever as I say, anyhow; I think this guy is guilty as sin, I have collected used Pallets and busted them up for firewood and they never did my hands any damage other than a few splinters, while swinging a plank full force with sharp edges would rip the skin off your hands. Be safe ❤
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i will never understand why 911 operators ask the dumbest questions. he literally told her she was in the garage and she asks if shes inside or outside. IN THE GARAGE MA'AM.
When I found out the woman I was in love with was dead at 29 years old, I didn't cry, I probably didn't really look or act like anything but my insides shattered and it wasn't until I was alone later that I cried myself to sleep. You can't always look at someone and say oh he's not even upset. You have no idea. This is actually a huge issue in America from what I've seen, a jury can just decide someone's a murderer with 0 evidence, they can just say oh well yeah he probably did it so he's guilty and then someone signs some paper and you are now officially a murderer.
To those saying zero evidence: The cuts on his hands are evidence; the lack of tulips being transplanted is evidence. Not asking any questions is evidence, though circumstantial. Prior relationship saying he lied well is evidence. I think they got the right guy. I mean, imagine you are not guilty. Wouldn’t you be a bit more adamant about asserting your innocence?
@@WatermanViolinStudioletting an ex testify that you "lied/cheated" is INSANE. I can't believe he can't get the case overturned on appeal due SOLELY to that. NO "justice" in America anymore.
@@WatermanViolinStudio character evidence and character witnesses can only be presented to the jury by the defense. The prosecution can only impeach it.
Some people do not show much emotions like most would, just by seeing how emotionless he was when the verdict was read proves he’s not a very emotional type. His dad even confirmed how much he loved his mother! This is wild!!!
I go completely calm when something major happens. I'm sure I appear cold and unfeeling but in reality I am compartmentalizing the feelings from the situation. I have a dissociative disorder as well so I am capable of compartmentalizing better than most. I don't think it's ever fair to judge anyone on their raw unedited reactions during and right after an event takes place. Actually, let me rephrase that. I think it's wise to pay attention, remember what their response was, and see how it correlates to their behavior over the next few days and weeks.
Agreed. It takes a lot for me to show emotion sometimes, and interrogation videos like this one being used as "evidence" to destroy someone's life makes me want to never talk to the police, even if I'm genuinely innocent of whatever. People who are not ruled by their emotion get totally screwed over by not behaving the way someone else thinks you should behave.
I too go completely calm with major trauma. My complete lack of emotion completely freaks other people out. My thinking becomes super clear regarding possible actions to take; this includes major emotional trauma or physical trauma or a combination of both. I have always been this way since I was a child. I am not devoid of emotion. Each time something extreme or major happened -ie the murder of my brother- I did become emotional over the event several months later.
He sounded very believable to me. When I was 18 I was caught trying to cross the border from Canada (I'd lost my wallet and ID). They questioned me for so long that I was saying things that weren't true even though they didn't matter. I often wonder how those words came out my mouth
And how did you get caught.crossing border over there is super easy...man you probably tried to cross right by the street in fron of patrol..haha...well your life is probably not bored..good luck there
I hate when they go off of emotions if someone cries right after something like this.. I was closer to my grandmother more then I have been to anyone else, when she was dieing in the hospital I watched her take her last breath and attended services and never shed a tear. I was more in a daze than anything. It was about 3 months after when I had my first breakdown and still to this day will have one from time to time.
That opening 911 call is so honest, you can tell that he's truly affected and in distress. It makes those criminals who call 911 to cover their actions seem so obviously contrived.
The person making the 911 call was the FATHER. So naturally, it was raw and real coming from complete innocence. Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you’re pointing here, but the call had nothing to do with the defendant son, who was already at work.
@@peachespavalko1980 They aren't saying it was the son. They are comparing the realness of this 911 call to other criminals who obviously faked their distressed 911 calls.
Now i'm getting very interested in this case as the autopsy report (according to this video) does not say she was hit repeatedly with something and the wounds on his hands looks like a blister, which happens after doing something repeatedly on the same way it does not happen with just one hit nor 12 hits. Also wearing gloves can give a lot of moisture that only makes it worse cause it softens the skin (I mention gloves as this video showed someone moving pallets wearing gloves).
Some pallets would come in broken and splintered. We sometimes had to put the heavily damaged ones off to the side for repairs or disposal. We definitely injured our hands continuously from handling the pallets - esp if not wearing gloves.
If you look at the autopsy diagram shown, she had multiple injuries to her head and neck. As far as his hands go, the skin could have been badly abrased in those spots from gripping around the edges of a 2x4 and swinging it. If it was rough cut lumber, the edges may have been even more sharp or abrasive. If he happened to grab one pallet at work as he claimed, if using gloves, it was very quick and the gloves would not have made his hands moist yet.
I personally think his calm demeanor is him being numb from shock. His story is consistent, he isn't over explaining... his reactions are those of an innocent person. I could be wrong but my gut says he didn't do it. And the police didn't even look into any other possibilities. The evidence was all circumstantial. This case was full of reasonable doubt.
You are wrong, don't trust your gut. He's a liar and lied to detectives. The woman that he said he went to go plant those flowers for during the time of the murder testified that she was home at the time and he was never there. She also confirmed that he had planted those flowers a different day than he was claiming (he said he planted them the day of the murder when he did it days earlier).
@@DannyBZ9 They said that it was highly unlikely that you could injure your hands like that not that its literally impossible. Circumstantial evidence anyways
@@michaelchimenti7570 It’s also very unlikely that those injuries would happen on the same day of the murder. That combined with his lie about his alibi, makes it pretty easy for a jury.
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his voice has a tightness and restrained tone, red flag #1
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If the cops have you in an interrogation room and they say," your not under arrest or anything" your probably going to be under arrest very soon.
If a cop says that I would just say OK bye, and leave. You wanna know anything contact my lawyer.
Exactly my thoughts.
It's amazing to me how many of these videos you watch and how few people actually have an attorney present when they are being interviewed do they seriously think they're going to get away with it????
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@@scottb.4472 They think that will make them look more guilty.
If you’re guilty you need a lawyer, if you’re innocent you really need a lawyer
@Keith Courneya nah I think the dad was in on it too. The wounds on the hands is pure evidence
Sad but true!!
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@@r.p.mcmurphy6623 calm down buddy. It's good advice.
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My mum passed away , and i shutdown , i didn’t cry , I was totally cold , just because someone doesn’t show emotion , doesn’t mean a thing . People grieve in different ways .
I totally agree. When my mom passed I assume I was just in shock because I didn't shed a tear for the first 4 days, and then I broke down driving so bad that someone had to come pick me up.
I wouldnt outwardly show anything.
It would be eating me alive on the inside.
I been fighting back dark depression for years. I'm kind of cold as far as expression.
I feel more awkward showing or talking about personal strong emotional distress.
To be clear I think he's guilty as hell, but I'd have to have some type of actual evidence to convict him if I were a juror. That's some pitiful detective work imo.
He wasn't grieving, it's guilt.
@@thecongenital3035 it could be , but then again ………..
If I went into an interview room with the police and there was “RED TREE CRIME” written across the desk, I would ask for another room.
@@biscuitsalive r you been serious
@@biscuitsalive It's photoshopped into the video
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Dumbass
@@jangajan9176 aw my gawd zaddy you sound like you just wanna choke me and use me inside your tesla papi aah😩..the safe word is “pickle “!!
When I lost my son(born to early), I couldn’t cry for the longest time. I was trying to hold it together for my husband and my other kids. So no, you never know how grief will affect you.
I agree, but this guy is guilty. Injuries to hands consistent with murder. Opportunity. Motive. Nobody else with a reason to kill her except for the husband, who had an alibis. Son's alibis busted. The lame phone message to establish an alibis. I wouldn't convict on emotion, but circumstantial evidence? Yes.
Need Jesus
I'm very sorry for your loss
Sending you the sweetest hug❤😢
@@Clipahoy we all have our beliefs, respect them. 🙂
I was accused of a homicide of a homeless person in 2009, I was the prime suspect. Have absolutely no idea how I became involved, didn't know the killer or the victim, but I did know of the CBD building where the crime happened, my friend worked there and we would have coffee every few weeks. I've had to do interviews like this, character statements, being followed everywhere, you name it, they were throwing it at me. They were merely building a motive case on me, had zero evidence. Anyway four months later the cops had nothing, so they did a media release appealing for information, well, lucky me, two witnesses came forward and told police it was their housemate in the news footage, the killer confesses his crime hours after the murder, but the two housemates didn't believe him until they watched that footage. Ruined my life for years that one did. Everyone thought I killed this person, absolutely everyone.
Mentally I just wanted to die over and over again. Was easily the most horrible experience I've even been through on the grounds I literally knew nothing with zero evidence, when you are in that position, talking your way out is nearly impossible, for me it was impossible, I had to wait for those two witnesses to come forward. Was the only thing to get me off the hook.
That is so tragic, I’m so sorry you had to go through this. That is always been my biggest fear, to be wrongfully accused of a major crime I did not commit. I hope you’ve healed from this
@@jayjokerst yeah it was certainly an intense experience. The first year during it was really hard, I had no one to turn to or anything, became homeless whilst it all happened to from the pressure police had put around me. So yeah was a lot to go through. After all this time the only question I still have is 'how did I become involved' I asked one of the detectives that a few months after the killer was sentenced. I said 'so how did I come into it?'
He said he couldn't tell me. Still messing with my head.
@@jayjokerst what goes on through your mind during these interviews is torture, the line of time and questions and how they get asked is all done by a criminologist. One thing I vividly remember was at the start of questioning I was 100% sure about my actions of the day in question.......
9 hours later........
I was unsure about everything, no word of a lie, I was so so confused.
@@Brads-strung-out this is very interesting. I’ve heard this before. It makes you question the process and wonder how much false confessions have been given
@@jayjokerst I myself would have never questioned the process before this incident though. I had to go through it to understand how it can go wrong.
Like I ALWAYS say...if you're in an interrogation room with a detective and without a lawyer, you've already lost.
Nothing, and I mean NOTHING good can possibly come for/ to you by waiving your rights to council, and talking to the Police. It's kind of similar with what DUI Lawyers will tell their clients, when pulled over. "If they pull you out, and want you to do ANY SORT of sobriety test, you refuse. If you comply, all you're doing is helping law enforcement build a better case, with more evidence, against you. They're designed for you to fail, and you're going to be arrested anyways, so just don't do it!" It's true you'll likely lose your license, but you can fight it out in court. Never talk to the police.
Just send them on a wild goose chase
@@mendoblendo321 you don't play with fire....
@@mendoblendo321 That's impeding an investigation smart guy. That's illegal.
Nah you're all wrong. I've been interrogated after the my girlfriend's suicide and everything worked out peaches for me without a lawyer.
There are the very rare exceptions, but 99% of the time if you're innocent, the evidence will speak for itself.
Cops aren't stupid, and they've been doing this shit long enough to know who's guilty and who's not. It's more common for the guilty to get off than for the innocent be convicted, because it's not easy to get a conviction. You need undeniable proof, not conjecture and opinions
He came in with his hands wrapped like Ryu thinking he was gone just walk out a free man 😂😂😂😂
Like dude why do these people even bother trying to lie
Ryu gives off a trusting vibe. It's original
Lmaoooo 😂😂😂😂
Innit?😂
he did walk out a free man...
The biggest shock in this case was that this guy was 21
He looks older than me and I'm 33
Yo! That hairline poor guy, needs some T supplements
Don’t judge him just because he’s losing his hair 😢
@@MichiganJFrog. i will judge him just beacuse he's losing his hair. Baldie. Smooth head. Prickle scalp.
He's had a long paper round
Lack of emotions is probably the single worst form of evidence eluding to someone's guilt after witness testimony. Nobody acts natural in these scenarios and it almost always seems like the default assumption is that we are supposed to behave like what is seen in TV and movies.
Yep exactly, some people express their grief or sadness differently. I've seen people that were sad and crying, and they would laugh sometimes, doesn't mean that they're not sad.
@Pranker isn't it strange how often that happens though?
@@justenbenally522 It's ridiculous, it's like they're bargaining, oh if you don't want to give him first degree murder we could try second. It's like they're toying with him, which in essence, they are. 20 to 60. Eligible for parole in 20 years, probably won't go out until he's in his late 50s. Sorry about the rant, it's just crazy to me.
It does not matter how you act it will be twisted into suspect.
But what happens if they have ASD and they lack emotions like nuro typical people
My gut tells me he’s guilty BUT as a juror there’s no way I could send this guy to prison for 20+ years with the evidence they showed.🤔
Absolutely how I feel
You think this one’s bad, look at the case of the foster daughter killing her foser mother in Ohio. She does so with a knife, while the husband was out of town. She was charged and was awaiting trial. After a year in jail, she suddenly changed her story and said that she had an ongoing sexual relationship with the father in the home for several years and he made her do it. Zero evidence to him being a part of it. We are supposed to believe a teenage girl had an affair with her foster father and didn’t tell a single soul the entire time? Teenage girl couldn’t keep a secret for 10 minutes of minor shit. He was charged, tried and convicted. Zero evidence. His conviction was entirely based on the word of a mentally Ill murderer that benefited from this accusation, and that he didn’t seem to act like he was mourning (being strong for his 2 kids that just lost their mother), and that they thought it was a little too convenient it was while he was out of town. He’s serving 40 years now. The jury should have their addresses posted after a video explanation goes viral. If they survive, deport them, bc they sure as shit aren’t American. Put em on a boat to Iran
My thoughts exactly!
I mean it's pretty clear. She doesn't talk to anyone. She doesn't have any enemies. It wasn't a burglary. He talks about how she was annoying to be around with manic/bipolar. It's been building up inside him since he was 7. Fresh 2 x 4 wounds on his hands and mother killed with a 2 x 4... No alibi besides a shady one about going over late to transplant some flowers... No emotion about her death and no questions. Crocodile tears at key points intended to deflect away from him. Last minute attempt to make the neighbor a suspect over a dead tree...that was an issue with his father. Slumped in his seat knowing he's moments away from being defeated. I'd cast my vote for guilty.
@@stephenwest6738 what an unintelligent post, a boat to iran? why iran? and why would Iran want them.....and who are you to say they arnt American...hell maybe you should leave because they ARE Americans and have acted like they have so maybe you just have a problem with Americans....anywho,
what case was this specifically because I doubt there is zero evidence of this.
nvm found it, Sabrina Zunich right?:
During the trial, prosecutors said Knoefel wanted his wife dead to collect $750,000 in life insurance.
At the sentencing, Judge Richard Collins said: 'I don't think there was any question she was manipulated and used by the co-defendant.
“They were too friendly. They were too close. They would make sexual jokes towards each other,” Zunich’s friend Autumn Pavlik told"
Investigators learned that Zunich had told her social worker that Kevin took photographs of her and gave her money, reported in 2014.
On another occasion, Kevin contacted the social worker to say that he and Lisa were considering divorce and that he wanted to retain custody of Zunich.
“I said, ‘Why not just divorce her?’ And he said, ‘Because I can’t do it. The girls would end up going to her,'” Zunich told producers. “He said, ‘She’s worth more dead than alive,’ and he brought out two policies, one for $500,000, one for $250,000.”
While she sat in jail, he collected over $800,000 in life insurance, with which he bought cars and homes, and took flying lessons, according to Cleveland Scene.
So much of this is verifiable so yeah zero evidence seems like a silly claim to make.
Being emotionless is not an indicator of anything and should not be considered. Plenty of atypical / neurodivergent folks would have little to no reaction in a situation like this
@@Rainiure sadly it's the first thing law enforcement analyzes. If you're too emotional you're acting. If you show no emotion you're hiding something.
I'm one of them I think. I don't express it outwardly but I still feel it on the inside. Sometimes I feel like I gotta force myself to show emotion so I seem normal
One of the biggest things I took from law school is that talking to detectives in any even potentially adversarial context without legal help is a profoundly terrible idea.
Not sure they teach that at law school.. detectives aren't lawyers, they use facts
@@greglaplace3786 they don't have to teach it directly, but if you make it through Crim. Law and Crim. Procedure without that impression you have a lot of faith in the system and a lot of trust in people.
Also, the US justice system is adversarial, not inquisitorial. You don't have to convince the judge & jury that you have the 100% factual and true version of events to convict, just convince the Jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused acted in a way that makes them guilty (plus the mental state component in most cases which is primarily why they're trying to get the suspect to talk).
@@greglaplace3786 that is day one shit and cops don't just use facts wtf are you talking about... they lie and say anything they can to get you to confess... the end.... cops only use facts lol.
@@greglaplace3786Detectives use speculative evidence and then dupe their chosen suspects into incriminating themselves enough in order to fit their narrative.
If you were to talk to any retired investigator, they will 100% admit that they use the reasoning “if you ask for an attorney, you look guilty” in order to dissuade the intended suspect. They will then also follow that up with “It is your right to an attorney whether you are guilty or innocent.”
Don’t forget, they are not your friends. It’s their job to find the criminal and your job to protect yourself accordingly.
I confidently misremember things all the time. By the 2nd time talking to them they would catch me in a bunch of 'lies'. "Oh, you claimed to be at that concert Wednesday, October 24th, 2014- the night of the murder. But we checked with the venue and that concert was actually in 2009!
What are you hiding?"
I hope that husband is okay. This has to be the hardest thing ever for him
Can't imagine what he is going through.
He’s a good friend of mine, he’s a really good guy
@@ScoutsPatterson how's he doing?
@@ScoutsPatterson Is he in contact with his son?
The sister too, now she’s without her mom and brother 😢
Its alarming how many people talk to interrogators without even thinking about getting a lawyer
Cops do a very well job at making ppl feel like they don’t need it. You may know your rights but once you get out in the spot light and you keep hearing things like you’re not going to be under arrest, getting a lawyer makes it suspicious to us, talking to a lawyer ruins any chance of getting a lesser sentence. And then when u even ask for a lawyer half the time they’ll stay and ask 3-4 times or go abt it in a different way like “are you sure you don’t want to say anything at all” but then when u sign your rights over theyll never mention that you can leave whenever u want too or even advise to get a lawyer again. They’ll drown you in time and start to get rattled and make u wait even longer for a lawyer so they make u sit in a room w just your thoughts. It’s pretty fucked up how much they can get away w. But then again, they caught horrible ppl by doing these things and it sucks that this person is prob innocent
and then wtf would you be watching, cartoons?
It’s unethical not to, yes your advice is the selfish most self serving thing you can do but can we please stop normalizing acting like the right thing to do is literally whatever benefits you the most? Society and the legal system literally cannot function with even a large minority of ppl acting that way and your message is explicitly normalizing it
@@kaidusplatinum987 putting innocent people in jail harms the individual and society. You shouldn’t talk to the police without a lawyer present because some of them only care about getting a confession and closing the case ASAP regardless if you’re innocent or guilty.
Bullshit. He's guilty. He didn't just happen to cut his hands & arms (with no witnesses) at the exact same time as the murder.
If he's lying then he is the smoothest one ever ... doesn't blink an eye, doesn't hesitate and the flow of his words is smooth, usually a sign of truth telling.
@@hardwired8084 master manipulator (many times), and that’s SCARY.
Never talk to the cops, even if you're innocent. They just want to get a conviction. They don't care if you're guilty or not.
TRUTH ,these pathetic coppers do not care if they lock up the innocent, just so long as they score point's for a conviction.
Exactly
100%
Dont be stupid.
It’s sad, and unfortunately true. There is many innocent people rotting in a prison in your state.
I have to agree that he never changed his behaviors, which is actually a sign that he is being truthful. I’ve had a couple separate instances where a family member and a friend died in car accidents. And I was just flat. I didn’t cry, I didn’t say anything, from the outside I probably looked ‘normal’. But on the inside I felt like a hole was blown through my chest, I felt sick, etc. There are different ways people feel and cope
If you're mother was murdered, you wouldn't wonder who killed her? You wouldn't have a full set of suspects in mind? This interview is incredibly damning.
@@q335r49 Yes I agree, if your mother is dead you'd be chasing the detectives not the other way around.
I have a very flat affect because of past trauma and er, just not liking people very much. If someone tried to elicit a stereotypical response from me in this situation it just wouldn't happen because it's not in my personal library. I hate the way cops want to see screaming and crying and will actually bully women especially in these situations to try and force an 'acceptable' response.
@@complimentary_voucher They know that they will see different responses from different individuals, what they don't like is a complete absence of response. They will just factor it into their calculation.
To gain more evidence they should of asked him which plants were put in the ground. It would be obvious of a recent planting, also check the basement for signs of sweeping..
I can't believe they allowed his ex-girlfriend use their breakup as testimony. This guy needs another trial.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 wtf they had nothing against this man 😂
He seems guilty to me.
Even the ridiculously unscientific "his coworker couldnt make the same injury throwing the pallet"
@@raindangelo2168
How so?
@@raindangelo2168it doesn’t matter what it seems to you, facts and evidence outweigh whatever gos complex you are going through in life currently.
I’m thinking even if you have to be in custody until your attorney shows up, you NEVER, EVER open your mouth and think being friendly with an interrogator will benefit you, at all.
why are you on RUclips offering strangers legal advice on a video about murder? 🧐
@@momedicine5072 it’s about ANY time a person is interrogated for ANY reason. Have legal representation. It’s common sense.
@@chriswick7987 If it’s common sense then why do you feel the need to say it? And why specifically on this video 🧐
I know you're probably talking about an innocent person being interrogated, but in certain contexts, such as a missing son/daughter, or spouse, when time is of the essence, asking for an attorney is a classic sign of guilt in the eyes of the police. If you are in such a position, and are guilty, it can add to their suspicion to call for a lawyer.
My mom was bi-polar and she was very unstable.I understand his flat personality .When you live with a person who is up and down you learn to keep your self flat so you do not draw there anger.It is a survival skill you develope In childhood.You also have to constantly be in tune with there emotions. It is a very sad life for the children of a mentally ill parent. It took me until I was an adult to realize I was a survivor of domestic violence. I had to get help and I recommend if you are suffering in that situation tell someone so you do not feel so alone get help so you can cope with there illness.
Yep. You couldn’t have explained that any better. It’s a skill that you learn while walking on eggshells not to trigger the perpetrator. I’m living this life now it’s horrible. My partner is bipolar (not on medication) violent and has severe OCD. I basically have to be in tune with his emotions to protect myself.
Yes, mental illness is especially hard on those around the mentally ill. I agree.
@@wvrjl I had a terrible experience with a friend that went complete manic. He purposely took too many pills as well. After the incident, I did some research online about the effects on surrounding people, government advice, studies, a thesis maybe. I found absolutely nothing. Everything was about the patient, all wrapped in cotton wool. Nothing about, say, public safety. When they go off their head, it is so easy for an innocent bystander to get hurt or distressed.
VERY WELL SAID/EXPLAINED
My dad was bad with verbal abuse and on drugs. It’s given me social anxiety In my adult years. Even hearing people argue gives me anxiety. I hate it…
This is what happens when people say “well an innocent person would/wouldn’t act that way”
People SUCK at imagining how they would act in a stressful situation.
People are falsely convicted every day based on nothing but sheer assumptions.
Sheer assumptions my ass. Tons of evidence in this case. Id say the real danger is people believing in all the gamesmanship about stress and mental trauma, which he is akin to the medeival belief in spirits. "I showed zero surprise, shock, upon learning my mom was dead because I was inhabited by spirits!"
Those sores on the hands come on. I worked with thousands of wooden pallets. The only thing i got was a small sliver. It doesn't leave blisters handling one pallet.
It's human nature to react a certain way to certain things. If my mom was found dead I'd be asking questions not answering them. Then I'd tell the cops to do their jobs.
Negative.!!!
Innocent people are convicted everyday?! WRONG
It's funny how detectives sometimes start these interviews by saying, "We won't take to much of your time". While they're hoping the rest of your life.
Well they didn’t take much of his time, so what is your point?
Bro literally thought the same thing as soon as he said tht 😅😂
They couldn't take what he'd already thrown away.
We won’t take much of your time is a hilarious lie to me
"Sorry, I'm going to take up some of yours. Lawyer." _Especially_ if I know I have done nothing wrong.
Every question they ask is designed to get confirmation on some point of their own theory, even the "small talk." You never know what one little point will fit in to their story and you end up convicted. A few hours in a holding cell and a trip before the commissioner/judge is a small price to pay to make the prosecution build a case based on, you know, actual _evidence._
He seemed pretty calm, he was straight forward.
I remember when my dad committed suicide, I was in shock, and numb. It took me two weeks to finally cry.
I felt like a pos for not feeling anything instantly.
We can’t judge people on if they cry or not. There should be shock, he didn’t ask any questions about it either which is odd.
Him calling his associate and leaving a voicemail about it, was kind of suspicious. Marks on hands.
Really more forensic work needs to be done on this one.
I’m sure they did and that’s why he got convicted
I am so sorry about your father. I agree with you, mixed about the emotions bc I know they are different for each person but the injuries, the call, no questions or concern on his end all seem sus. The tone used and at one point he sounded nervous to me too.
My heart goes out to you, friend. I’ve thought about it but I could never hurt my family like that. Your father must have been in tremendous pain. I’m sorry.
Hey, I'm sorry that happened to you. It totally sucks. I know.
No emotions? Straight to jail like this guy
When the detective said ..."you are not under arrest, you can leave @ anytime ", I would of said "SEE YA!"
@@jasonsmither805
Absolutely right. If they say you're free to leave, then leave.
He's worried. He wants to appease the cops. Get them off his tail.
The part that stood out to me was when they asked about his day at work. He said the first thing he did was check the bathrooms and then put a keg of hard cider under the bar. It wasn't until they asked about his hands that he added the story about the palette. If you only spent a short time at work and one of the things you did caused you injury, you would think you'd mention it, especially if it was the first thing that allegedly happened. Not saying that proves he did it, just thought it was an interesting detail.
Good point. Also, he was injured, then was maneuvering around a keg? Possible, but still...
He’s lying lying lying lying lying
damn that’s true
He definitely murdered his mom. He’s a stone cold killer
Just being so calm wen asked if he killed his mother. I would be out my seat saying I couldn't kill anyone. He was just to calm about being asked if he killed his mother. Guilty 💯
COPS:: WE WON'T TAKE MUCH OF YOUR TIME. 85 HOURS LATER STILL BEING INTERROGATED😅😂
Small time out of the next 25 to life they'll be doing
🤣😂🤣 heard that before
Of course not
True! Plus: " You're lying! We know you know more than what you're telling us"
He Saud just a couple of questions
Dude has kushy jobs - "sorta sweep a bit", "check stuff out", "check the bathrooms", "flip a (dangerous) pallet", and "weigh a keg".
I work at a store with 3 bathrooms. It is impossible to get the men to clean let alone even pick up in any bathroom, even the ones they use. It seems odd to me that a guy would check the bathrooms FIRST THING.
@@smokeykitty6023 lol I've worked in a store with 5 bathrooms and us men kept them SPOTLESS. The women's bathroom on the other hand? GRROOSSSS. We wouldn't even walk in there.
A tale of two janitors ^
R we gonna ignore the goat?
@@smokeykitty6023the women's room is always worse. Always.
I'm starting to get wary of anyone named Jeffrey
😅🤣😂
😂😂
Ok insert name here. Clever
Jeff= normal
Jeffrey = psychopath
Who has a baby and names it Jeffrey? It looks like a misspelling.
How in the heck was his ex girlfriend allowed to testify about him supposedly cheating on her and lying? What kind of judge allows something like that to come in? so so weird. having that be his "nail in the coffin" is especially ridiculous.
Exactly that was not even relevant to the case and just because he lied to her, cheated, etc that is something that many or almost all people in relationships romantic or not experience
And what is suspicious or evidence to prove by him discussing his feelings and emotions anger sadness etc with his girlfriend that is what you do and that cam demonstrate that he wasn't hiding his anger emotions etc but expressing them which is very helpful and don't get me wrong nothing is 100% effective but this supposed evidence presented with ex girlfriends testimony did not prove indicate or even connect the murder to him and clearly proves that there is more to this which can point to someone else but laziness and not doing thorough investigations can unfortunately and does put innocent people in jail all the time
This was lazy and I'm hoping they get an appeal and they can get a new trial which presents facs evidence things relevant to the case and that his defense can prove his innocence and yeah I'm not 100% sure what happened but that's why we have a justice system and common logic shows the state did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt
Cheating as nothing to do with the murder. Totally irrelevant. The judges are so corrupt. Police are so corrupt. It’s makes me scared to ever call them for anything
I understand having someone be a witness to their character but you're right, that should never be the "nail in the coffin".
If an accused puts his character in evidence then the prosecutor can enter rebuttal evidence.
It does seem abnormal, but in this case it seems to be just one piece of evidence of what a cold person he is, high in psychopathology which does mean he's more likely to have committed the crime
I always try to tell people, if ur being questioned(interrogated)keep ur mouth shut and ask for a lawyer. Guilty or not, ur not gonna talk urself out of it. They don’t wanna hear “your side of the story”. They’re trying to build a case against u and by u continuing to talk, ur only helping them. SAY NOTHING!!😳
Ur correct
I just commented the same thing. The only thing they care about is thier "batting avg.". It's scary.
@Tiiaa I couldn't agree more. Several years ago, my juvenile son was picked up with his friends for suspected mailbox 📫 bashing. All the parents were called and asked if they had our permission to question our children. At the time, I was a criminal defense paralegal. I was the only parent who said they did NOT have my permission. My son was the only one who did not get charged and convicted. Those poor kids got a conviction for... Get this... Terroristic threats!!! Like you said, keep your mouth shut and ask for an attorney!!!
I wonder if I’ll ever watch an interrogation video and not see this same comment 1000x
@@gooosb I agree. However, people continue talking and answering questions. This statement can't be said too often.
21 years-old?! Dude looks 40. I'm almost in my mid 30's and he looks way older than me.
Same
thats the side effects of living a stressful life from birth, with mentally ill famiily members....
Is he 21 ❓️🙄 wouw.... that's indeed hard to believe...
I'm 46 and I look younger than him
He doesn't look 40. You just can't grow facial hair 😅
That was some of the most pathetic evidence or lack there of I’ve ever heard in a guilty verdict.Cant even imagine how many innocent people have been locked up.
Jury of your peers people… most of the people that want to spend time on jury duty aren’t the brightest in the bunch.. you’re putting your life in the hands of average intelligence at best. But in the end… he’s guilty. You tell me I killed my mom and I’m fighting you tooth and nail and not trying to blame it on a neighbor with a dead tree..
Dumbest thing was "co-workers said it was virtually impossible to get an injury that way" .. they experts, they see his fresh wounds? That's some hillbilly forensic science, my hands get scraped many different ways from work that my co workers may or may not experience.
Yep especially if you’re black , brown or poor!
Innocent people being incarcerated is a tragedy. However, there are far more guilty people roaming free and creating new victims.
@@curtebner8134 As was proven in this case! ...oh wait!
The detectives did a horrible job on this case. I believe he looks guilty but beyond a shadow of a doubt I could not convince somebody for 20 to 60 years with no evidence. You can’t just listen to an ex girlfriend claim that they have no emotion during an interrogation and the fact that they didn’t install some bushes.
They did a great job on this case
@@teresamiles-dz6rs uuhh...did you forget something ma'am?
I agree, he looks guilty, but I would hope it would be people like you who were on my jury who could say “ hey he looks guilty but there’s not enough evidence to say he’s guilty for sure” that’s when they’re supposed to be found not guilty. I’m sorry but I would rather a guilty man get off a charge and be set free than imprison an innocent. Otherwise it sets the precedent to convict on circumstances alone. There’s been many cases where it looked extremely bad for one person but ended up it was someone else.
The judicial system in this case failed, they needed someone to blame to get paid and be rid of the case, cold cold world we live in
@@ChadDidNothingWrong yeah I did
I found my brother dead from an overdose six months ago and I still haven’t been able to cry. Anytime it comes to mind, I still have trouble wrapping my head around it. He was my best friend for 28 years. He was my hero. I cannot find it in me to accept it and basically accept defeat is how it feels to me. It’s heartbreaking. I’ll become extremely quiet and down and depressed, sorta robotic.. but I haven’t been able to cry yet. I’ve been suicidal from this, still no tears. It sucks. You can’t tell me it means I don’t give a shit about him.
I am so sorry for your loss, my heart goes out to you! I can’t imagine what that was and still is like for you but I can tell you that if you turn to Jesus that he can help you. The peace he can grant is amazing. Also please DO NOT even think about suicide. That doesn’t end anything and is definitely not God will. There are grief support groups that you could contact for help. There are others who have been where you are and will understand. They are in person and online.
I’m not going to say your pain will end but it will be different eventually enough that you can cope. Big hug 🤗 And perhaps someday you will be that support for someone in your shoes, and God will send you to be there for them.
(My mom passed in jan and I still haven’t been able to cry. I have family angry at me for not crying when they decided I should have) Still not real to me. Still feel like I’m in shock.
Hang in there, Jonathan Ellsworth. I see you...🎋♥
I am sorry for your loss.
I'm so sorry for the loss of your brother. It sounds like you are still in shock, and we all deal with trauma and loss differently. there's no 'right' or 'wrong' way about it. I was wondering if you might have considered grief counselling? The reason I would suggest it is because unexpressed sorrow can manifest and may utterly overwhelm in unexpected ways/situations. I wish there was something more solid to give you, I can't imagine what you've been through.
I understand you so well. In May the police came to my door to tell me my son was found that morning, he had passed away. I have had such a difficult time dealing with this. It’s as though my mind shuts off and won’t let me think about it. Yet I feel the same things as you describe. Numb, void, silent, in pain. I hope you find healing in thoughts of your special times with your brother, that will always be with you.
@mike sprigg I talk from much experience. Jesus helped me through so many things, divorce, death of loved ones, addiction, heart ache, physical and mental pain. I hope that some day you will repent and accept his loving sacrifice and follow him. He’s the only person that ever has or can sacrifice his life to pay for your sin. Amazing Grace, amazing love! Amazing peace!
As soon as he walked in with his bandaged hands...
GUILTY AF!
The sore in the photo of his hand was superficial and small. The large bandages were placed by ambulance staff. Real overkill and created a bigger red flag. potentially.
yeah that's the problem with our justice system RIGHT THERE. You willing to bet his life on something so silly as a bandage... which by the way he didn't even do. The ambulance did it just before he walked in there. He didn't do that.
Yea, because people rip skin off their hand all the time without bleeding. He must have been viscous with the 2X4 to cause blisters that fast.
Those bandages did nothing but draw attention to his hands. He'd have been better off without them.
That was the first thing I noticed. I didn't even no what to expect.
As others have mentioned, regardless what really happened, his conviction on such flimsy evidence sets a dangerous precedent.
No. Mr wood hands is guilty
@@markusParkus233 Based on what evidence Mr Columbo?
Based on his wood hands
Nah we could've used something like this for Casey Anthony
Did they get cell phone gps to show where exactly he was during the murder?
The whole time I was watching, I was thinking, "wow this guy is the best criminal I've ever seen in an interrogation"... He seemed so believable, I was waiting for him to get busted.. I wanted to see how they get him to confess.... But then, the video simply ends with "him acting suspicious"? WUT? He could really be innocent! If anything, his calm reaction could be due to the fact that he grew up with a bipolar mom.. He learned to stay calm and collected during her manic episodes...
1000%
That’s exactly what I was thinking
No way a wooden pallet would do that to both hands. His I helped her put away groceries, than gave her a hug?
I spent 36 hours trapped in my own house with a friend in a manic episode. Non-stop talking, no sleep, no escape. Her husband was traveling in another country but he ended up closing off their debit card bc she'd tried to drain the account before she came to my place. Hated taking her meds. It's a sad situation. Why take a drug that removes that high, slows you down, removes all that 'productivity' ...??
I know right, i can't tell if he's innocent or not.
He may have done it but how ridiculous was it for anyone to give any weight to the testimony of a pissed off jilted ex girlfriend who only claimed that he was a good liar? Add the bail out option for the jurors to a lesser crime and this young man’s fate was sealed.
Well said. What ever happened to reasonable doubt? He was certainly up against it.
Absolutely. It's better that 10 guilty men go free than for one innocent man to be convicted.
I agree that the ex girlfriend added nothing of value.
Exactly I didn’t see enough evidence at all.
@@ProudPatriot007 ..just what I was thinking, very weak case- even for just manslaughter... I'm Hoping the trial contained more evidence that wasn't shown here 🤷🏽♂
I love when the narrator explains what’s about to happen and then it happens. Spot on
ya think maybe he watched the video once or twice ???
Yeah… he’s making a joke, dork.
@@jennyschroeder9757I would very much like to marry you.
@@jennyschroeder9757 lol
when my dad died i initially cried seeing him laying at the hospital all the doctors with the look on there face of "he aint gonna make it" i broke down made me want to go see my son.. didnt cry at his funeral was more a sense of staying strong but then after that i just randomly broke down crying for years after sneaks up on people in different ways
Convicting him partially on his lack of emotion is ridiculous. I can honestly say, if anyone had ever murdered the woman who was our mother, not one of us would have felt sadness. She was pure evil and there were no child protective laws at the time so it escalated over many years. When she died at an old age, all of us let out a sigh of relief.
No child protection laws at the time? What are you, 270 years old?
Can't say I'd be particularly bothered if I found out someone murdered the majority of my family. You don't have to care just because you're related, and I always find it super toxic when people suggest that you should, and that there's something wrong with you if you don't. It's because there's something wrong with them that I don't, thanks! Mind blowing he was found guilty without a single shred of evidence. It wasn't even circumstantial evidence. They had nothing linking him to her death. At all.
@@subg8858 Pretty rude comment
Lynne wow,,that's pretty sad,,my dad was abusive,,he died at age 60,,I could not stand him,,but I cried because we didn't have a healthy relationship
Agree. 👍
So, because he didn’t respond with the “correct” emotions during his interrogation, his coworker didn’t get the same marks on his hands while moving a pallet (with gloves on) and because his ex girlfriend whom he cheated on said he was a good liar when he cheated on her (even though she obviously found out about it anyways) they were able to find him guilty? I’m not sure if anyone has ever heard this or not before, but according to folklore, some girls might not always say the kindest things about their ex boyfriends who cheated on them.
No motive, no murder weapon, no forensic evidence on his clothing/shoes that he didn’t change, and with no witnesses, I would think it to be obvious that there is reasonable doubt that he did it. Remember, the justice system is supposed to operate on the premise that it is preferable for a guilty person to be found not guilty as opposed to an innocent person being found guilty.
In my opinion, the jury got it wrong on this one and most likely decided his guilt based on being emotional about a woman being beaten with a 2x4 and someone had to pay for it, rather than making sure an innocent man not be sent to prison.
Firstly, those pieces of evidence you listed are the least important in determining a proper verdict.
The facts are, she was killed using a 2x4 from the garage she was in. Who would not bring their own weapon to kill someone in their own garage? And how would they sneak picking up a 2x4 and hitting her from behind after opening the door to the garage?
Then there is the fact that he lied about planting anything at a client’s home, when they weren’t even there. He had 0 reason to lie about that.
It must also be a coincidence he has hand wounds caused by wood. He never mentioned stacking pallets until after they asked about the injuries, which would be the most obvious task to recall if you got hurt.
The fact they never found dna would imply the murder was done with strong enough familiarity with the location and timing to not leave dna. No random person could’ve covered their tracks this well. Especially after improvising with the murder weapon. If it were just a few anomalies and coincidences, it would be plausible, but altogether it’s very damning. It is completely reasonable for a jury to convict this killer.
@maytrucks3969 In a court of law, a Defendant is supposed to be found guilty beyond reasonable doubt. The reasoning for this notion is the belief that it is preferable for a guilty person to go free than an innocent person be sent to prison. If I remember correctly, the actual saying goes along the lines of: it is better for 100 guilty men go free than one innocent man go to prison.
In my opinion, there was not enough solid evidence presented for a conviction and there was more than enough doubt presented in this case that he should have been found not guilty.
Remember, a person being found: “Not Guilty” in court does not mean that the person was proven innocent. It just means there wasn’t enough evidence presented by the prosecution for a guilty verdict.
This is like the opposite of that movie 12 angry dudes
Whoa the dad must be in major denial. How sad a kid could do that to his mom.
"We won't take up too much of your time"
Goes to prison for life.
Lol
Oh boy! I was shocked at the end absolutely NO evidence, no DNA, no blood, the crime scene wasn't cleaned up at all but STILL NOTHING?!? Nada?!? Also hearing his dad at the end...look I don't know if he did it or not, none of us do, but it REALLY bothers me he was convicted based off what we just heard. Slippery slope.
His DNA is on everything, they live in the same house. How convincing is, "we found DNA linking you to the crime" when the suspect lives there? 🙄
Evidence they had was incredibly strong, if not overwhelming. Lied about flowers, lied about injuries at work, this damning interview here, history of domestic violence. The only thing they didn't have was premeditation, and that means it's second degree.
If she scratched him like the scratches on his arm she would have dna under her finger nails. If he had blisters and cuts from swinging the 2x4 he would of dropped piece of skin of fluid at the crime scene. The crime scene was not cleaned yet they found zero dna from the son, zero with a crime scene that wasn’t cleaned
@@MultiJosh1011 well did they find any DNA of anyone else? If there was DNA of anyone under her fingernails you guarantre they would have tested it, the labs would have seen it, and he wouldve been cleared. The scratches don't have to come from her fingernails, they are evidence of a violent encounter. You attack your mom she's not scratching your arm. If could be from hiding the 2x4 in the woods. The fact that he got injured so badly the day of that he got bandaged by the paramedic who Noticed it, that not only did no one at work confirm his injury, but that they said it couldnt even occur at work, is sus as hell. If I got injured at work, enough so that the paramedic had to bandage me, literally everyone at work would know about it.
People don't like thinking through things do they.
@@q335r49 The evidence they had was weak and purely circumstancial.
How can you explain the hand injuries?
My father, who I loved dearly died suddenly and unexpectedly of pneumonia several years ago and although I have experienced profound sadness and grief, to this day I haven’t shed a tear. Everyone deals with grief differently. Based on the evidence presented I can’t believe this case even made it to trial and the fact he was found guilty is staggering.
geez. what were they claiming was evidence that he murdered her?
You probably killed your father. That’s why you didn’t cry.
@@ScreamingEagleFTW the wounds on his hand would be obvious evidence. I believe the dad was in on it too. The both planned to act surprised and shit
It's like the defence lawyer said. The jury likely didn't have enough evidence to give a verdict of "guilty". So they added in 2nd degree murder (still not enough evidence) so that both sides of the hung jury can "compromise". I can't believe that's even legal.
"Based on the evidence presented..." These videos vs an actual trial are 2 very different things. For a jury of 6-12 jurors (depending on the state the trial takes place) to unanimously agree on a verdict and sentence, well, they are all going to have seen and heard enough collective evidence to believe beyond a reasonabke doubt of their decision because at the end of the day they still have to be able to sleep at night with their decision. I was a juror on a death penalty trial that had national coverage from the get go and I have yet to see anybody that even knows half of what us jurors were shown/told the entire few week trial. Trust me, when you have someone's life in your hands from any amount of jail time to their actual life, you will go through every bit of evidence until all jurors are confident in their decision and can all agree on the same thing(s). Even if the case is beyond clear, jurors will still go through everything in the jury room together- numerous times if needed. Our justice system may not be perfect, but it is hands down the best/most fair on this planet.
When they said his mom was murdered, the don didn't even react. That was a dead giveaway. 😢. How sick.
Who are you to say or know how someone would react
I witnessed a pretty horrible crime. One that has impacted my life since.
I was not a suspect or anything like that. I was very calm speaking to the police as I wanted to be the best witness as possible, even though all I wanted was to cry and scream. Sometimes being calm is the best thing u can do.
@Amanda Bejolie here is one right back to ya :)
They will just tell you to calm down anyway?
But you should be upset.
@@MikeJones-rk1un i was definitely upset and I am sure they officers knew it. But I stayed calm to give a 1st hand account of what I saw.
I'm so sorry that happened to you.
I, too, chose to provide info to the police as the only witness to a crime. The cop I spoke to told me I had amazing recall, and gave detailed info that most witnesses never could.
I told him that in the moment I was terrified, and it caused the image to be burned into my memory like a picture I could see as clearly as if it were a snapshot taken that I could hold in my hand.
People act differently during times of stress. Some break under it, some become stronger. There's a reason that the reaction to danger is known as flight fright or freeze. Precisely because people react differently.
I appreciate how you add text for info instead of talking over the video like other channels that interrupt every 5 seconds. Subscribed.
This guy is way better than the explorer with us channel can’t stand that voice.
It's amazing how so many people never heard of the phrase, "I'd like to speak to a lawyer" before.
Amen brother Ben, shot a rooster and killed a hen!
Sometimes I believe they know they've the right to consult a lawyer before but are afraid to appear more guilty when they ask for it.
@@lowruna Sometimes I believe they need they azzes stomped all over the place!
Innocent people don’t feel like they need a lawyer. The first time around. Then we wind up in jail staring at our plastic spork at 4:30 in the morning waiting on officers to feed the morning slop.
Some are just luckier than our friend here to not have a jury with a collective IQ of 87. I trusted that detectives would see that I was innocent. And for that, I later faced a stacked deck with a DA that tried to hide evidence for 2 years, amongst other underhanded tactics.
But like any lawyer will tell you, jury selection is the most important part of any case going to trial.
@@NorthGeorgiaAudit (I don't get all your slang and am being abused longterm by social authorities), but always thought the jury consisted of sensible, trustworthy individuals with good observation, reasoning, and sense of judgment...is it not so then? Or is it that the law has changed in practice, loóke they did about me, (as long as no one challenges it and objects!?)
So did you have to be locked in for 2 years although innocent? And did they hide evidence FOR you? Does stacked deck mean that they had messed with the cards so to speak, beforehand, so that the game ws rigged? They have done similar to me, and i didn't know that social officials with the job to próvide assistence and make life better finally, act nice but deceptive without me knowing orr suspecting, or noticing an d suffering, but being withheld all facts , plans, rights etc and not encountered, so tha one feels increasinngly derealized, depersonalized, depressed, weakened, non-exisent, worthless, stupid, humiliated, , guilty for being stressd and angry for no clear reason and while they talk with such calm and nice voices...I haveAspergers, meaning I don't understand double play .luckily I study to not go mad, and so I learn and get a bit less sick of my self-esteem.
it is said that bit is we the citizens , who have to speak up against corruption, violation of the la, of democracy . But they have weakened us and our social skills, abilities, interests by introducing cell-phonies on most of us, weakening and isolating us from each other, aking it harder to organize and co-work withstrangers, as was done before when a crisis or war happened. I saw old documentary of life in bunkers during bombing, how well strangers organized and co-worked.
I wonder how the jury is selected, does each prosecutor do it, or the judge? I hope you are out ,and with your self-worth intact.
I try to look at my misery as my military service, sth to learn from and be strong in.
I can’t believe he’s sitting there with both hands bandaged trying to act innocent.
When you have a family member with a disorder, you cryed all you tears through the way of their sickness.
The fact that he didn’t even ask what happened to his mom is what’s making me feel like he’s really guilty. When my father passed suddenly, my first question was “what happened?”. When my husband died and I spoke to the coroner, one of my first questions to him was if he knew “what happened?” I understand that everyone handles things differently, but it’s usually people that already know what happened, that don’t ask that question immediately after being told your loved one is gone. Especially if it’s something sudden and unexpected like a murder.
he might have known what happened before he stepped in that room without doing it
It's categorically false that people who know are the only ones who don't ask. When you hear that your mother was found in a gruesome, bloody scene, you can't predict how your brain will react. He has spent his life in a tumultuous home where his unmedicated mother exacted a lot of trauma. He had to become an expert at shutting down and shutting out just to get through his childhood, which is exactly what it looks like in the interrogation.
Which is why he probably did it. Probably isn't enough, though. Based on the evidence it seems there was reasonable doubt. Sometimes I feel juries don't really get this. The lack of any dna evidence is surprising since this was an up close, brutal murder where blood should have been everywhere.
He looked a little slow. Not everyone has your level of comprehension or understanding. This guy had the same job since leaving school so hardly a big achiever. I hope you never serve on a jury.
The detective pretty clearly stated that he talked to his dad before coming in so he already knows what happened.
He had no reason to lie about the gardening unless he was building an alibi for himself. He’s guilty.
Best comment of all the ones above you. This should be pinned. As long as the police have a timestamped photograph of the property, I find your reasoning irrefutable. He simply knew that he needed to account for the time when he was disposing of the evidence and was forced to fabricate (which was his "mistake").
"Jake, we wont take too much of your time" is uncalled for😂
My ex had bipolar. She was an absolute nightmare. She would be violent and hyper angry for 3 days straight and then, on the fourth day, she'd be happy and suggesting the whole family goes out for a picnic.
Fuck I didn’t know my ex was bipolar but this all makes sense. How did I put up with her for so long. Thinking I was the crazy 1
Bipolar is a very difficult disease to live with. You never know who is going to be next to you at any given moment.
The important thing is - they don't choose this. They don't know anything beyond what they're currently experiencing. Loving those that have it is so important, at least to be there for the beautiful moments.
Hang in there ❤️
Bipolar people are exhausting and so disruptive. I can’t with them.
@@alleschwartz4821 that is not exactly true. They can stop some of their behaviors. R behavior. Sure. They cannot help some of the mood swings , but they can control their
That sounds more like borderline. Bipolar doesn't switch within the week. It's weeks of mania and then depression maybe longer. The anger kinda gives it away too.
As someone who became a suspect, was arrested, charged and held for 2+ years, I personally know how bad investigations can land someone in a horrible position. Luckily justice worked in my favor. But I suspect I’m the anomaly after being acquitted of all charges.
scary stuff
You did it.
@@raygunn1083 thank god for double jeopardy.
@@NorthGeorgiaAudit 😂
We need to hear this story.
God, her poor husband. That phone call was heartbreaking. Imagine losing the love of your life and then finding out that your only son brutally slaughtered her. I hope him and his daughter are able to heal and remember their wife and mother fondly.
Edit: made this comment before I finished the video. Hope the daughter is healing. The dad needs serious help.
Yeah. I can’t even imagine dealing with a tragedy of this magnitude.
Poor husband? Dude is too stupid to see that his son did it..i don't feel sorry for idiotic people.. he's a dumbass.
Did you watch the video? He vehemently denies that his son is guilty.
@@speedingatheist because he can’t believe it.
The thing is that the dad believes his son innocent. I think he's guilty
I definitely think he did it. His lack of emotion isn't the key factor, it's the fact that he had injuries on his hands and called the woman he had been working for when there was no reason to call her. It was for alibi purposes only. Plus he never asked how she was murdered. I've seen a lot of these videos and the murderer never asks that question.
Disagree about the phone call because it didn't create any alibi only a possible timeline that couldn't be verified. Along with the hand injuries the second most important thing was actually the lie about the plants, that simple lie destroyed his whole credibility.
I can remember when i
was a kid I got in trouble for something I didn’t do, yet I admitted guilt. My teacher kept telling me that I did it and I just wanted it to stop so I said I did it. She had kept me after school for an hour accusing me of saying the “F” word. I never said it, I didn’t use words like that as a child.
She forced me into confessing to something i never did. Now I’m in my early 50’s, I’ve never forgotten that lesson and how it happened. So after experiencing that I’d say yes even when innocent you need a lawyer. Even tho the police investigators will say to you, only the guilty lawyer up. I work construction, my hands have cuts all over them, on a daily basis. So.... what, I’d be a suspect based on my hands then. That’s not right.
Big deal. Show me where they are "forcing him" in this interview. Also, I've worked with a lot of construction guys. I didn't notice "cuts all over" their hands. I'd only suspect you of being not too competent on the job.
Cool story. This guy killed his mother.
@@moosepotato4116 maybe he did. But maybe he didn’t. It’s hard to know exactly what happened without seeing more evidence
once someone did something, and i accused a kid who was a bully , it somehow came back that i was one who started the accusation, they cleared the bully, and then they assumed i did it..!
@@moosepotato4116 If you witnessed the murder or had other strong evidence against the son why didn't you present it to the police at the time?
It always amazes me that none of these people "lawyer up." Guilty or innocent, I'd holler "lawyer" before I even sat down. The only thing I can think of is they don't want to ask for a lawyer because they think that automatically makes them look guilty.
Yes say I want my lawyer. A lawyer says say nothing.
what a pity eh? Your plan is the right plan. Lawyer up and keep silent.
I didn't even know you could ask for a lawyer before watching these true crime videos. Some people don't ask for lawyers cause lack of education
@@Kimo_Neko Yes I have 2 lawyers phone numbers in my wallet and cell phone. One for minor things one for major things you never know.
@@garywilloughby6893 you sound guilty a.f.
Had he called a lawyer and not spoke he could have easily had a self defense case because of her recorded illness and past incidents.
but wouldnt that immediately make u look guilty cause before he came to the interrogation he not supposed to know if it even was a murder
@@ijk9142 maybe, and you may spend some time in the pokey but do what you have to do for the end result: Justice and your freedom. As soon as they bring you in (probably before, actually) say “I want a lawyer.” Simple as that. Answer no questions, they shouldn’t ask any after that. “I want a lawyer.” 4 words may separate you from an injustice hell existence and your freedom.
This man bludgeoned his own mother with a piece of wood. I dread the thought of loosing my mother.
Holy cow! They could not prove that he had murder his mom. But he still has to serve 20 years just because they couldn’t prove that he didn’t do it either?
Yeah, seems like BS, to me too. I think this guy got a very raw deal.
What the fuxc are u serious did he really do it
@@ProudPatriot007 lol
@@ClumsyRoot That was his Dad who made the phone call and he was not acting. That evidence was not definitive and that is why the prosecution added a charge. It's also how innocent people end up in jail. The police commented on his scratch marks and yet no DNA evidence was found under the Mother's fingernails or tying him to the crime at all. This could possibly mean their assumptions with his behavior were also wrong. There is definitely reasonable doubt in this case. It doesn't sit well with me for these reasons.
@@tiffanysteadman7822 for real who the fuck are these people saying hes guilty as hell unreal bias going on here there is no evidence to connect him to the crime other then what a jilted ex some guy in a ware house wearing gloves throwing pallets around
Thats ridiculous ive busted my hand a bunch when i was careless and in a rush
I can totally understand and relate to his "lack" of emotion. Everytime I get horrified news it's just like someone slapped me in the face and then I go totally numb. I don't feel anything at all right there and then. It usually takes day or so before I can process what's happend and then all the feelings and emotions surface.
well you get numb probably speechless but not like him calm , voice no abberations, at ease he is
can you relate to his mysterious coincidental injuries and feeble alibies and history of lying lol??? you know who also has a lack of emotion at a death? the killer! can you relate to murdering people!??!
can you relate to injuries that can't happen at work?!
@@aljabirxiju9475 why are you twisting what the other person said. Are you stupid or something?
Same here 😢
I remember when this channel started, it’s all grown up now 😢
Still growing, still learning but hopefully we will continue to improve as we provide you with more content to watch.
So it’s like a teenaged channel, lol. Still quickly becoming one of my faves.
The real crime is him already going bald at the age of 21. His follicles need to be arrested
Turns out when the detectives interrogated the hair follicles, the follicles lawyered up right away.
By age 21 one quarter of men are balding or have begun balding. Look it up. I didn’t know it was 1 out of 4 men by 21. Wow!
When
@TheBOG3 interesting. I had no idea. Makes me feel bad. Not for the killer, obviously 👀 but just for men that bald early in general. You can't help genetics or possible conditions you have. 😢
Why
I’m 51 year old male who was diagnosed bipolar at the age of 35. Bipolar disorder is a horrible disorder that not only affects the person but it impacts every person in their life. I personally believe that this young man is guilty but if I was a juror I would have had a difficult time convicting him from such little evidence. I don’t believe the jurors understand what reasonable doubt means.
The calmest moment I’ve ever had in my life was while being robbed at gun point. People process things differently. If you had told me I would be in that situation an hour before the last thing I would’ve thought I would have been was calm. I personally do think he was guilty, lying about the transplants and odd alibi phone call, but I don’t think there was enough there for a conviction. But someone’s perceived “odd” behavior to a high stress situation isn’t enough for me to say guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
exactly. i think he’s guilty. but i don’t think based off the evidence he should’ve been convicted. but as someone who has people in her family w crazy mental health issues, i think he did it
@Anosha jeez , looks like you’re next in line
🤣kidding don’t K¡|| people
@@wendzeg Jesus dude. 😂
OMG... how could you not react the way I think I would in the situation that I've never been in, but you have and yet you're not behaving the way I think you should??!!! - Average person
@@_SayaNara serves them right. They can’t be playing that game and not expect there’s a chance they will lose.
Had a gf commit suicide about 12 years ago. For about 2 months the investigators tried to pin it on me but she had been diagnosed with terminal cancer and had already been diagnosed with severe depression as a kid. Didnt take them long to figure out that my lack of emotions wasn't due to my guilt, it was due to my acceptance. I knew she was going in the next 6 months. She chose to go out on her terms.
Calling his mother, SHE, , now deceased is first sign of disrespect and guilt
This channel gets better and better every episode. The work you guys do to put the episodes together is phenomenal. Keep up the fab work guys. Love from the uk x
Go UK True crime fans
Your a**licking has worked 😉
Wow just wow. Some of these comments brought me to tears. Really gave me a different view on people suffering from bipolar how they feel.
I think I always imagined it when they have an episode like they don't really recall but that's not true. The separation you all feel really gave me a different perspective thank you.
When I was informed of my brothers murder, I freaked out, could NOT cry... I stumbled with my words, racing thoughts, I couldn't keep my mind on one thought... I was stuttering & my mouth reflected exactly what my mind was doing..plus I was trembling from head to toe...I could have potentially looked guilty...
EVERY person who loved him behaved SO differently as I notified each one!One of our VERY CLOSE relatives was very calm & collected...she SEEMED completely unaffected... It took days before she broke down. His murder was witnessed so none of us were suspects...BUT in my mind, I was devastated and horrified, yet I couldn't cry... I could not form a full sentence... And before I knew the details of his murder, I worried that they'd think I had something to do with it because even tho my world was just destroyed... I wondered HOW I had not one single tear!!! My mind was thinking about EVERYTHING all at once, including what the police might think of ME!
Not saying this guy is innocent AT ALL... Just saying, the SHOCK your brain goes through when someone you love is murdered (or even just being notified of unexpected death) it creates a WIDE variety of reactions, none of which are controllable!! I just can't stand when people judge others guilt or innocence purely based on initial reaction of a death notification.
In my experience with lots of other close deaths (in which I reacted similarly with racing thoughts & inability to cry) & having to give MANY horrible notifications of different loved ones passings.. It's not a black & white type of reaction people have! It's not even just black, white & grey...I'd say it's an ugly dark rainbow of reactions!! There is absolutely NO WAY you can say someone is guilty based on how they react to a loved ones death... ESPECIALLY when they are murdered.
THIS is why having an attorney present during any police questioning IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY!!! It's scary to think back at how guilty I probably appear when someone I love dies unexpectedly (based on society's ideas of HOW a person SHOULD react)
you're right. It's why body language is, for the most part, a complete psuedoscience and judging peoples guilt or innocence according to an interpretation of it is pure folly. You know first hand from just within your own family of some of the range of differing reactions to this type of news.
I don't like when they say that the person reacted like this/didn't react like that because it is subconsciously saying that there is one singularly appropriate and correct way to react to news when being interrogated by police but some people (like me) would have a tendency to laugh at news of death. It's not in a mocking way, not malicious, just a reaction I seem to have to it, which would look guilty as sin. Thankfully, I've not known anyone personal to have been murdered.
This one is tricky. I think he did it most likely, but the evidence just wasn't there. Saying that, if it was some outsider there surely would have been something left behind.
Rule number 1.) If you are in an interrogation room, you NEED an attorney.
@@PollyHistor thank God he didn't have one, huh?
@@mmb2211it almost seems that most people that comment hate law enforcement more than the criminal. What an upside down world we live in.
Exactly.
How long after the murder was this interrogation? Every major negative event in my life has taken me about 24 hours to really react to it. It's like I go into a short period of shock for initial processing. If anything ever happened to my family, it would be completely unfair to judge my emotional reactions for that first day or two.
Same. I have a freeze response. God forbid anyone should be judging me during that initial period of shock 😐
At one point he said something about being at work today when his dad called him to come home. So....guessing same day
Same day of murder.
You’d be guilty for sure. 💯
That was my thought as well. I believe they said it was the same day. The characterization of his show of emotions toward the end as being "shallow and forced" is ridiculously subjective; it could easily be that the truth of the matter is just starting to really register. It's the wounds on his hands that give me suspicion, not his demeanor.
I can't believe they convicted this guy with ZERO evidence. This is insane.
American juries, especially, lean towards guilty. It's guilty unless proven innocent!
@@wvrjl
Fresh, unusual injuries on his hands consistent with swinging 2X4 at someone in a rage hours after finding his mum beaten to death with a similar type weapon. Not proof, but it is extremely damning circumstantial evidence.
I thought the same thing. Just because he doesn't react to his Mom's death like they think he should, and, a co-worker described how you could get injured with a pallet? Seriously. Very shaky evidence.
@@Johnny53kgb-nsa a two by four is twice as thick and heavy as the wood used in a pallet. By swinging the wood it would cause abrasions as the rough wood passes over the skin (same motion as a baseball bat swing)
@@Johnny53kgb-nsa the co worker said, "there was ABSOLUTELY NO WAY, you could hurt your hands like that with the pallets! NOT that you could, lol
Our justice system is so terrifying! I would never want to be judged by people who cannot separate facts/evidence from emotions. It doesn’t matter how much we think someone did something, if there’s no evidence, there should be no case. As unfortunate as that is, it would prevent so many innocent people from going to prison. I always think about the Jessica Chambers case. I watched Quintons entire trial & the evidence wasn’t there, but hundreds of thousands of commenters were saying they’d convict him. I don’t think he was innocent, but I can still put my feelings aside & say they had no hard evidence. Idk if this guy did it or not, but I can again say there’s not enough evidence. I have a feeling if he didn’t do it, we’ll be seeing a documentary about him in 9 years after his family finds out who really did it & by that time his life is already broken beyond repair.
G.
Innocent u til proven guilty in a court of law.
Until social media gets ahold of someone. Then they get the death penalty for Jay walking.
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@@TiptonMama Right! It’s literally guilty until proven innocent these days & even then if the court of public opinion thinks you’re guilty, it doesn’t matter what a judge says 😅 I laugh when people say “I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6”… That’s a tough choice these days since depending on the situation, both can be the same outcome, just one is a slower ☠️
The fact that he had injuries to his hands and scratches on his arms is physical evidence.
@@christopherwharton6022 Not if they don’t connect it with DNA. Otherwise, it’s circumstantial. I thought so too, but upon further research I can’t find anything about that or the pallets or missing 2x4 being used in trial with any kind of physical or DNA evidence.
I love this channel!!!!
He's so calm and has all the answers. He's not doing the things these channels say prove someone is lying.
Other than the injuries. I mean it seems any and all behaviors can be "proof" of lying. There are as many examples of the accused loudly objecting as there are of them being calm.
Agreed, oddly enough most "body language experts" are akward incels with strange sounding voices that can't maintain eye contact when they order KFC.
I agree, he seems clear, concise and calm. I honestly don't think he did it
So I watched a lot of these videos and they're always calm. I have never seen a guilty person act angry ever. People who care about the death of a loved one are not calm.
If you're told your mother was murdered you don't start talking about her being a manic pain in the ass. He killed her lol Body language analysis is just a tool and it's not reliable at all just like a polygraph.
@@randomgrinn Darrell Brooks, Micheal Peterson, Alex Murdaugh, Kim Kessler, Sara Boone, Chacey Pointer, etc, etc, etc. Lots of examples of guilty accused being indignant & loudly proclaiming innocence. Check em out.
"We won't take much of your time"
Proceeds to take all his time.
The thing that makes him seem guilty to me is the phone call to the neighbour. The way he mentions he was there for about an hour seems unusual unless he knew he needed to be accounted for during that time. He would surely just say what jobs he has done that day. He also said she gave him a list of things to do and he follows that list, surely if he knew that the neighbour wanted him to do these things he wouldn't need to call her and he also said he doesn't usually do this. It just doesn't seem normal to me. 🤔
I have to agree. That phone call is suspicious
This was more suspicious than injuries caused by wood on his hands , mere hours after his mother was beaten to death with a piece of wood ? Lol .. nah I’m busting your chops , you’re right it’s very suspicious . But his hands have me certain he did it .
I can understand him knowing how long he spent there because he was going to start work right after that. What makes it suspicious is how he reacted when the detective pressed him on it. He didn't have a good answer for why he decided to call this time when he normally didn't and it was obviously making him nervous.
I do wonder what happened to the murder weapon , though - getting rid of it means disposing of a bloodstained 2x4 in a relatively narrow timeframe well enough that it's never found by police. Also, he had scratches on his arms they were asking about, but his DNA wasn't under her nails. Interesting and weird case.
He'd been there several times and she hadn't been home. I got the impression he was used to touching base and checking to see if she's happy with what he'd done so far. I think he said it was unusual that he was on his third visit where she hadn't been home and THAT was unusual, so he wanted to check in with her, maybe about getting paid.
Kind of scary how little it can take to spend the rest of your life in prison….
He gets out at age 41.
I’m a 64 yr old lady, I’m also dying with cancer, I’ve two sons that when I had to tell them my surgery which removed my lung, 5 ribs and many glands 8 weeks ago was not enough…one son cried and hugged me, told me how he loved me….my other son showed no emotion…..so does that make one better than the other? No definitely not…you see people are different….I’m sorry for this young man being convicted because he showed no emotion."…wrong kind of justice maybe….I’m so unsure here……if he did do it then he’s gone to the right place….I just am not convinced….but I am convinced both my sons love me equally…just show it different ways….god bless that family 🙏🙏❤️❤️☘️☘️
God bless you🙏
It was sad to read your story (have cancer myself 🙄), can't live forever as I say, anyhow; I think this guy is guilty as sin, I have collected used Pallets and busted them up for firewood and they never did my hands any damage other than a few splinters, while swinging a plank full force with sharp edges would rip the skin off your hands. Be safe ❤
And God bless you Mrs McConnell will be praying for you. May God be with you in your time of trouble and lay his hearing hands upon your body amen
@@j.jwhitty5861 I can’t figure out pallets/plank part. Make me feel stupid.
Yahuwshuwa is close to the brokenhearted (Psalm 34:18). He heals and binds our wounds (Psalm 147:3). He is faithful and will do what He says (1 Thessalonians 5:24). Yahuwshuwa is the epitome of love (1 John 4:8), He is forgiving (Matthew 18:21-35), slow to anger, gracious, and compassionate (Nehemiah 9:17). Yahuwshuwa Ha'Mashiyach, the Highest Priest and the only Savior of mankind, is all we need. In Yahuwshuwa, there is freedom (Galatians 5:1)
When asked what he did the day of murder… [crosses arms] “I didn’t really [gulp] do a whole lot”
Yeah I noticed that... Immediately hid the hands that killed.
Body language.
“Ate breakfast, played on the computer, killed my mom. No, wait.”
Every time i hear: We won't take much of your time.", i think the phrase goes on like: "but the prison will." *lol*
They're incentivized to take time - they earn overtime working those extra hours.
I would say his story about his injury, at the same time the mom was being killed, is too incredible to believe
How awkward it must have been to show up at his mom's murder scene where she's been brutally beaten and everyone sees his hands torn all to hell wow
i will never understand why 911 operators ask the dumbest questions. he literally told her she was in the garage and she asks if shes inside or outside. IN THE GARAGE MA'AM.
It is annoying but I think its done purposely to get specific information correct, as they use the recordings a lot in investigations,
When I found out the woman I was in love with was dead at 29 years old, I didn't cry, I probably didn't really look or act like anything but my insides shattered and it wasn't until I was alone later that I cried myself to sleep. You can't always look at someone and say oh he's not even upset. You have no idea. This is actually a huge issue in America from what I've seen, a jury can just decide someone's a murderer with 0 evidence, they can just say oh well yeah he probably did it so he's guilty and then someone signs some paper and you are now officially a murderer.
Yeah, this guy was railroad it! I kept looking for signs that this guy was acting strange as per the title, but I saw none!
To those saying zero evidence: The cuts on his hands are evidence; the lack of tulips being transplanted is evidence. Not asking any questions is evidence, though circumstantial. Prior relationship saying he lied well is evidence. I think they got the right guy.
I mean, imagine you are not guilty. Wouldn’t you be a bit more adamant about asserting your innocence?
@@WatermanViolinStudioletting an ex testify that you "lied/cheated" is INSANE. I can't believe he can't get the case overturned on appeal due SOLELY to that. NO "justice" in America anymore.
@@WatermanViolinStudio if accusing an ex of lying is evidence than most people would qualify for jail 😂
@@WatermanViolinStudio character evidence and character witnesses can only be presented to the jury by the defense.
The prosecution can only impeach it.
Some people do not show much emotions like most would, just by seeing how emotionless he was when the verdict was read proves he’s not a very emotional type. His dad even confirmed how much he loved his mother!
This is wild!!!
I go completely calm when something major happens. I'm sure I appear cold and unfeeling but in reality I am compartmentalizing the feelings from the situation. I have a dissociative disorder as well so I am capable of compartmentalizing better than most. I don't think it's ever fair to judge anyone on their raw unedited reactions during and right after an event takes place.
Actually, let me rephrase that. I think it's wise to pay attention, remember what their response was, and see how it correlates to their behavior over the next few days and weeks.
Agreed. It takes a lot for me to show emotion sometimes, and interrogation videos like this one being used as "evidence" to destroy someone's life makes me want to never talk to the police, even if I'm genuinely innocent of whatever. People who are not ruled by their emotion get totally screwed over by not behaving the way someone else thinks you should behave.
Same here. I immediately block trauma.
@@yummycookie3429 depends what you consider trauma sounds like you're saying bits a regular thing for you.. get help
I do the very same thing
I too go completely calm with major trauma. My complete lack of emotion completely freaks other people out. My thinking becomes super clear regarding possible actions to take; this includes major emotional trauma or physical trauma or a combination of both. I have always been this way since I was a child. I am not devoid of emotion. Each time something extreme or major happened -ie the murder of my brother- I did become emotional over the event several months later.
He sounded very believable to me. When I was 18 I was caught trying to cross the border from Canada (I'd lost my wallet and ID). They questioned me for so long that I was saying things that weren't true even though they didn't matter. I often wonder how those words came out my mouth
And how did you get caught.crossing border over there is super easy...man you probably tried to cross right by the street in fron of patrol..haha...well your life is probably not bored..good luck there
@@yanikivanov it was at the border of North Dakota in the middle of nowhere. It was a loooong story, but I eventually got home
We know you were trying to feed the person you murdered to them Canadian polar bears. Your story aint as long as you think son
I hope they put you in prison
@@yanikivanov is it hard to cross from the us into Canada I live in Wisconsin and was thinking about trying to visit quick
They told him she was murdered, but he didn't ask "how" ...
Hmmm good point. I saw that right after I read your comment.
Right. I'm sure there was easier people to convict so why would they go after the son if it wasn't clearly him
I think that’s he only thing that matters…
Because he already knew how. Him trying to con an alibi out of his neighbour was the icing on the cake.
I hate when they go off of emotions if someone cries right after something like this.. I was closer to my grandmother more then I have been to anyone else, when she was dieing in the hospital I watched her take her last breath and attended services and never shed a tear. I was more in a daze than anything. It was about 3 months after when I had my first breakdown and still to this day will have one from time to time.
It was about a month or more before I really broke down about my Grandpa and let myself really grieve.
I get that. People react differently. That's fine. But his reactions had no range. Like he rehearsed. Like a robot.
That opening 911 call is so honest, you can tell that he's truly affected and in distress. It makes those criminals who call 911 to cover their actions seem so obviously contrived.
The person making the 911 call was the FATHER. So naturally, it was raw and real coming from complete innocence.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you’re pointing here, but the call had nothing to do with the defendant son, who was already at work.
@@peachespavalko1980 he knows that. You are misunderstanding
@@peachespavalko1980 They aren't saying it was the son. They are comparing the realness of this 911 call to other criminals who obviously faked their distressed 911 calls.
Now i'm getting very interested in this case as the autopsy report (according to this video) does not say she was hit repeatedly with something and the wounds on his hands looks like a blister, which happens after doing something repeatedly on the same way it does not happen with just one hit nor 12 hits. Also wearing gloves can give a lot of moisture that only makes it worse cause it softens the skin (I mention gloves as this video showed someone moving pallets wearing gloves).
@@slump_nuggieMaybe it was heavy because it had stuff on it and it slipped out his hands scratching and tearing his skin.
Some pallets would come in broken and splintered. We sometimes had to put the heavily damaged ones off to the side for repairs or disposal.
We definitely injured our hands continuously from handling the pallets - esp if not wearing gloves.
@@wallyboy6666 Facts
If you look at the autopsy diagram shown, she had multiple injuries to her head and neck. As far as his hands go, the skin could have been badly abrased in those spots from gripping around the edges of a 2x4 and swinging it. If it was rough cut lumber, the edges may have been even more sharp or abrasive. If he happened to grab one pallet at work as he claimed, if using gloves, it was very quick and the gloves would not have made his hands moist yet.
I personally think his calm demeanor is him being numb from shock. His story is consistent, he isn't over explaining... his reactions are those of an innocent person. I could be wrong but my gut says he didn't do it. And the police didn't even look into any other possibilities. The evidence was all circumstantial. This case was full of reasonable doubt.
You are wrong, don't trust your gut. He's a liar and lied to detectives. The woman that he said he went to go plant those flowers for during the time of the murder testified that she was home at the time and he was never there. She also confirmed that he had planted those flowers a different day than he was claiming (he said he planted them the day of the murder when he did it days earlier).
Lol ur next on the news for homicide
@@wesleyorange8133 don’t forgot the lies about his hand injuries confirmed by his co-workers to police
@@DannyBZ9 They said that it was highly unlikely that you could injure your hands like that not that its literally impossible. Circumstantial evidence anyways
@@michaelchimenti7570 It’s also very unlikely that those injuries would happen on the same day of the murder. That combined with his lie about his alibi, makes it pretty easy for a jury.