reading BODICE RIPPERS so you don't have to (but you definitely still should)
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
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as a woman with brothers who has known other women with brothers, i can confirm that thinking your brother is the hottest man on earth is NOT NORMAL ... SDDGDSGSD
IIRC this is backed up by science: if you grew up very closely with somebody (i.e. a brother) you're extremely unlikely to view them as a potential partner. (Not that it doesn't happen but just that it's unusual.)
There was literally NO good reason for the horse fucking subplot like
The WHAAAATATT!?!,?!! (respectfully, seeing this comment is by far the worst way to find this out adsghdjfklkjhv)
Reads the title….Oh dear…. *immediately curls up to watch*
not gonna lie its a rough one
58 minutes of chaos 🫡
I'm having my periods and was already already curled up. I saw this video pop up, and got up, closed door my door, and got curled again to listen in.
gurl same
honestly the obscure-ish horse breeding obsession is the personality trait we all need
edit: burn the book
@@prismspheres bahaha stop
Your comment was such a wild ride, even though it’s so short
I was going to to suggest a book bonfire too
These are the types of comments that tell me this is gonna be a GOOD video ❤
Lmao, at what timestamp did you make this edit? 😂
The fact that they are 17 and 25?? Okay Cody Ko, relax 💀
I AM ON THE FLOOR LMAOOOO
Oh, that’s not-💀
Megan wants Thee Stallion
Underappreciated comment
as myself a lesbian who enjoys reading straight women erotica, i find that the reason a lot of straight women enjoy the overbearing/cocky/“mean” archetype in men in fiction (not usually in real life, although obviously occasionally) is because it makes them feel Desired. women are not often allowed to *want* to be desired; in the modern west, it’s considered normal for men to desire, but not for women to enjoy the feeling of being desired. a possessive man in fiction is one who actively desires, who makes his desire known, and who consistently finds that the target of his desire herself also desires him. it’s about being desired by the person you are desiring, but not having to make it known that you are desiring them; he will take what he wants, and it’s a happy accident (by which i mean, the entire point of the fantasy) that you also want him!
most romance/erotica is about fulfilling desires, and in the west since about the 80s when this style of romance novel really hit its stride, these books have often been used as a way for women to explore sexuality in a very safe environment (because there’s no chance of actual harm coming to you!) in various contexts, and the ability to have the experiences you desire without having to ask for them is a BIG fantasy for many straight women. it doesn’t translate well to real life because in real life, an angry or possessive man is more likely to be abusive or violent, while in a story, you can ensure that the man cares about the love interest as a person, respects her, and becomes more open throughout their relationship, while also providing that sense of desire and possession, especially intimately!
Hey, that’s a really interesting thought! I liked this type of characters when I was young, but as I aged I’ve realised that I’m too passive and not interested in someone so intense 💀 I also just prefer stories where both people just like each other and behave like normal people and not like insecure teenagers (it kind of works for me as a “desirability” aspect, as I would like to be desired by someone who likes me and someone who is just not annoying/mean)
Also, if possible, I would like to ask you (if you feel uncomfortable, you can ignore my question!) but I always wondered why there is so many lesbians reading straight/gay (m/m) romance/erotica/p8rn 🤔 As a straight woman who loves romance, I will read anything as long as love interest is a man and he is likeable enough (I can read stories with female love interests, but I have a very specific taste for them). I personally do not care about whether it’s a straight or gay romance as long as love interest is a man, so I was wondering why does it seem like there is a lot lesbians/sapphics who read romance with love interest they are not personally attracted to. Is it because there is just way more romance like this? Or is there some kind of deeper reason? You seem to be rather good with your words and you know how to explain your opinions, so, if you don’t find my interest to rude, I would love to hear your opinions!
Also, I’m horribly sorry for my English, if there are any mistakes please ignore them!
Exactly!
They probably won't be able to answer for other lesbians and Sapphics, but if I had to guess, as an additional opinion, it's probably because there's limited market on lesbian romance for women. And what little there is is also fairly recent. Idk if you've noticed this but a lot of erotic stuff especially p8rn and R-rated movies is made with men in mind and from only the perspective of what men enjoy. Even lesbian romance. Which is why 🌽hub has a g4y section featuring only men and lesbians go in the str4ight section. Up until recently transwomen were in g4y too iirc. @@lisagohan9505
Exactly exactly exactly!!! 🙌🙌👏👏👏
@@lisagohan9505not the op but i am a lesbian and a big reader / writer. essentially i think we’re coming at it from different perspectives here. a lot of romance readers and writers are more interested in the self insertion angle while others are more removed from that angle, and are more invested in “story” so to speak.
when it comes to fictional relationships, especially in regards to intimate scenes, i’m more of a “director” focused on what coheres for the characters / relationship dynamics / overall focus of the story. when those align, that’s generally the source of the appeal. also, for the personal aspect of it, i can relate to a queer aspect of any story, and as a woman who likes women, i enjoy stories where they are centered and valued to their contribution to the story. which even the darkest romances often do.
other people are more “actors” where the appeal lies closer in what they personally like or find attractive. like i said earlier, there is usually a strong level of self insertion required for this approach. neither of these are wrong per se, just different ways of engagement!
btw, your english is solid, don’t worry about it!
6:08 Fabio Lanzoni was on the covers of hundreds of romance novels in the '80s and '90s. He posed for 16 book cover photoshoots a day. Funnily enough, his first cover was a Johanna Lindsey book, Hearts Aflame.
The age gap discussion in this video is so timely for me; last night I was watching Sense and Sensibility, and I stopped to read a Reddit thread about Marrianne and Col. Brandon, because it's never sat right with me that he's 35 and she's 17. What I've gleaned is that you're not supposed to look at relationships like this from a modern lens, but I think that's unfair, because not only did Jane Austen make it a point to include Col. Brandon's discomfort about the gap in the book, relationships like this were reserved for high society, and so most people thought it was strange even at the time.
Wow that last bit is completely shifting my view of so much historical fiction, books and movies. Whoa. It's honestly crazy what you find out people also thought of as weird at the time, thanks for the perspective shift. And what the heck, is Austen lampshading age gaps girl you know that doesn't fix anything smh
@@stellagasaparro9912 yeah just think when people read our books in the future they are going to think dogs constantly get killed. It's so prolific in fiction because it's something that doesn't happen a lot.
right. people forget that relationships between adults and minors were looked down upon to an extent even back then
I've never seen the movie, but in the book they get married two years after the main events of the plot (but it's still insane how she's the same age as his adopted daughter). Anyway fun fact ever single Jane Austen heroine was at least 18 before getting married.
I do not expect plots that actually make sense in a romance novel but kidnappers who are concerned about the love life of their victims and organize a romantic evening for them? That is an insane plot point.
It sounds like a bizarre comedy if you say it that way
It's giving Always Sunny vibes
First the almost furry interest in horse breeding and then "he was more handsome than my brother which I didn't think possible" What's with this writer?! 😂 IT GOT WORSE WITH HORSE BONKING TURNING HER ON, WTF 😂😂
I used to play a game with my friend where we'd buy each other romance novels with ridiculous names and we'd have to read and review them. One that I got was called Mad, Bad, and Dangerous in Plaid 😂😂
What.. What was it about? Scotland? Or like a Judd Nelson breakfast club situation I can't remember what his character was named right at this second? Uhhh maybe…oh god apparently plaid was first used in horse blankets… was it, dare I say… a horse breeder?
Omg stop my mom had this book on her bookshelf! When she got rid of it I kept it for a while just bc of the name, but I don’t think I ever read it
Was it good? Would you recommend 😂
When the world needed her most, she returned
The horse for mistress trade off plan is SO FUNNY STOP
On the switching horses. Your horses would rest and then be returned home by your groom or you come back later to get it. However this system was mostly used by the government (especially the postal system), so the horses belonged to the company and would be changed at post stations.
Were there particular companies that provided the horses? A 19th century Enterprise or Hertz, if you will?
bless the shitty book club gods for a video that i can binge during my pain treatments o7 thank you for your service
It took me an embarrassingly long time to figure out that o7 didn't have anything to do with James Bond or like, the element oxygen, but thank you very much I will now be using it frequently
P.s. I am also going through painful treatments, probably not the same thing but I'm wishing you lots of luck and as little pain as possible and I'm also here listening to shitty book club to get through it
lesbian 🤝 aroace: being absolutely bamboozled by straight romance 😂
Fr 😂
I am aroace and I also approve this message XD
I'm a straight woman and I'm bamboozled too
When they mentioned at @21:10 that Ella was identified by the locket she was wearing, I immediately yelled “THAT WOMAN IS NOT DEAD, SHE’S IN HIDING RAISING THE BABY”
Yup, we’ve read enough of these to not be fooled 😂
It’s concerning that she’s still 17, but believe me - the age of majority in this era, in England, was actually 21 💀
Also… his chest hair is MATTED???
unfortunately that only meant that if you were younger than that you needed permission from parents to get married. And if the regent decides that you need to get married to some agressively chest haired hunk, your parents dont really have a choice to object to the will of the king.
BUT it is true that women tended to get married in their early twenties, not in their teens, so yes it is still weird. We can blame George.
Like WHY did they describe it as matted? Is he a stray dog?? Does the author know what the word "matted" means? It's not a good thing!!
As an Albertan I can confirm that I have never seen a live rat in my life.
Rats are outlawed as pets, and the province has a dedicated rat patrol that can be called to remove rats that cross the borders.
Of all the reasons I have for wanting to move to Alberta, this is now the biggest one.
How are the mice? 😂
Re: the consent issues in so many romance novels. It was very much A Thing that "good girls" couldn't say yes. It was their duty as "good girls" to say no. But as long as they said no, it wasn't their "fault" tas they liked it. Like, in the 50s when Georgette Heyer was publishing, it wasn't an issue because the main characters would kiss once and then get married. But then books started to have actual depictions of sex in them but we can't let the impressionable women think they can just go around saying yes to sex, so this ridiculous work around where the sex was explicit but the virtue of the heroine remained untarnished because she said no. It started to tail off in the 80s and 90s but yeah, it was a whole, very gross thing for a very long time.
Ur reading taste is completely different from mine but the compulsion I feel to consume your videos is unstoppable.
Not the “rat berta” content the Canadian content we needed
So fucking funny
The moment I heard the name Dominic Wolf I knew he was the love interest. 💀
you could bury the racist book in the dirt
or just toss it in the recycling bin. I'm pretty sure paperbacks are easily recycled
or compost it
Just love the mental thought the author and the one guy put into justifying the sisters death as she killed herself. No amount of good sailing and knowing boat things is gonna stop the ocean from drowning you
You should make blackout poetry with the racist one. That's what I do with books I don't respect. I tear out their pages and use their words for something better in either content or the fun I get out of the project. Or send it to me so I can use it for blackout poetry lol
@@ShortForMertchel Holy shit this is actually such a good idea, I'm gonna try that myself
As a little sister, i have personal experience of thinking my older brother was attractive. i even have an extremely cringe memory from when I was about this protag's age of saying out loud to my friends, "If he wasn't my brother I'd want him", and then later being told he over heard me and felt really uncomfortable. With that being said, I don't think there's a chance in hell i would have thought that about him if he had been abusive towards me.
you are so brave to admit that on the internet thank you for your service 🫡🫡
@@ainsleesbookclub thank you queen i feel a burden being lifted from my shoulders
Hearing Alberta be brought up was such a jumpscare😭😭
YEAHH PERFECT TIMING. i needed something to listen to while drawing
Real 😂
“Who is Thomas?!??” Girl I died 😂
A lil off topic but your video on the Lunar book series has plunged me head first into the nostalgia of teen sci-fi/dystopian books from the 2010s
“Her brother is Thomas, we clear her brother is Thomas NOT Robert……….WHO’S THOMAS?!” 😂 It seems Johanna Lindsey was the 70s/80s version of Coleen Hover 😝. BTW Heath Ledgers was named after Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights so I guess this was a thing in the 70s and 80s
Naming people after soap opera characters was a HUGE thing.
now i have a reason to cuddle up and crochet !!
38:30 "SHE PUT THAT ON BEYONCES INTERNET !!!!" no cause the way my jaw DROPPED
As someone whose gran had a romance of the month subscription since the '70 and has read EVERY single book she had, those books do not reflect what I actually look for in men.
I started reading them at 12 and I'm in my 30s now. I think the books showed me what I didn't want. I always got so frustrated with these women picking these awful men. Some novels have good male leads that I loved, but most of them were awful.
Johanna Lyndsey was the height of crazy romance. You should read her Alien warrior series.
oh the hamilton singing is so real AND YOU SOUND SO GOOD OMG
Okay, I'm gonna explain the horse-swapping because I've done too much research into this for D&D campaigns. So it might be "your horse" because you're riding it, but legally it's not your horse because normally you're renting the horse. Say you need to get to a town that's like four days away. You would go to the stable and say "Hi, I need a horse" and they would rent you a horse. You would ride it until you get to the next town where that stable would either have an associated stable (think like a franchise location, if you were bringing a burger from one McDonald's to another McDonald's) or one with a different owner that they had made an agreement with (like if McDonald's and Burger King were doing a crossover). You'd give them the horse and rent one who isn't exhausted; rinse and repeat. I suppose you could start off with a horse you own and if you're coming back you could pick up your actual horse on the way back, but I haven't read anything of that nature. It's the old-timey version of renting a U-Haul to move and returning it to a U-Haul location near you rather than driving back to your hometown to return it.
23:45 it’s a rental horse, you need to bring it back
Appropriate that these books were about horses because this video was a wild ride. I was having such a fun cosy time at the beginning and then an angry riled up time by the end. Twas a good video tho, had me and my mom discussing what if ratatouille was set in Alberta, but also decriminalization versus regulation of sex work- both very thoughtful and stimulating conversation. What a trip. Almost as if it was a trip, a trip where we had to switch out horses along the way…
P.s thank you person in the comments who explained the logistics of that I'm glad your horse wasn't just lost to the wilds of England
Legendary pull within 5 minutes of posting, hell yeah!
I usually use problematic books to practice paper folding. You have to do a little extra work to cut the pages to size, but it's a cheaper alt to origami paper.
I could listen to her talk for hours about books. Easily the best up and coming book-tuber
"Who was the old model for all these romance book? He has a name, I can't remember."
Me "FABIO!!!!!"
you literally posted this just as I finished binging your entire channel in one day
Girl I'm so stoked there's like 2 uploads within 2 weeks 🎉😂 bring it ON!!
Thank you for the random rat tangent to help soften the pain of the rest of this damn book.
10/10 would watch to suffer again.
I have a bunch of the painted cover books of hers. I've never read them but we were robbed of these kinds of covers by people who didn't want to be seen in public with them. Girl get a book cover like my grandma has.
YOUR SHIRTTTT !!! (oh also i think u can cut the pages and cover and use them as scrapbook pages or decorating journals and stuff if you have one)
Ohh I am SEATED for this.
As an ace i sometimes love bad romance for the absurdity. I used to read out passages of twilight lmao when it was popular the first time around
About a year ago I went to an estate sale that was for one of the artists who would paint the paintings that those books used as covers, you would be surprised by how big those original paintings actually are
Didn’t actually have the money or the space to buy one (even though I know it would be iconic) but I got a really good deal on a ton of oil painting supplies
Including the comedically large easel that those paintings probably were painted on
I didn’t know they were large scale paintings first?? I need one???
@@ainsleesbookclub I think it has something to do with scaling without losing any details for the printing process, like my dad has a few original arts for comic book pages and they are a lot bigger than a comic book didn’t have 5k to drop on one at the time but I know in my heart of hearts I am going to own one someday
i am a straight woman here to say that i too really do not understand the appeal of a disrespectful, aggressive, and cocky man these are genuinely the most ugly traits that would immediately ick me out so 🤷🏻♀️
but also ig there could be a conversation on why these traits are considered the pinnacle of masculinity and how these hyper masculine heroes just glorify abuse🥲🥲
I hate Romance books but I LOVEEE watching people read the books and then tell me about them. That probably doesn't make any sense but I like this channel already 💗😂
If a man made out with me and said it was because he heard horses mate, I would melt into the floor and disappear from existence. And if reincarnation exists, I’m straight up DOA 💀
genuinely started tearing up upon hearing the primal horse quote
20:16 she sings too!? Almost too slay
As someone who has two brothers that others have reported to me are “Attractive”, I can confidently say her calling her brother hot is super duper weird.
When you found that website and you were reading about the extent to which that girly chronologically order joanna lindsays books. The way you were so admiring of her efforts and said you wanted to be friends. That spoke to my crazy gay ass soul and deep desire to just have the most silly and fun female friendships ever
this might sound weird but for the racist book maybe try blackout poetry or something creative that destroys it but still is productive? like blackout poetry just makes your own poetry by blacking out words, so hopefully you could make something not racist out of it? just an idea !!
man i just found your channel a few days ago and i've never been so happy that youtube recommended a channel to me. love your videos, easily became one of my favorite youtubers to watch
My brother to me is neither handsome nor ugly, he just kinda is? Like, he looks like brother, he is brother shaped
How were you not a horse girl 😨 how did I read your vibes so WRONG
so many things have to have gone wrong in my life for my vibe to be HORSE GIRL this is incredibly upsetting to hear
@@ainsleesbookclubThat 6 month stint really stuck to you somehow
@@eddisianc8639nooooooooo i will never emotionally recover from this
@@ainsleesbookclubthere’s a small but existing Venn Diagram of lesbians/queer folks and horse “girls”
how do I know ?
Well
23:38 it is bizarre that i fixated so much on this specific detail of the video (it seems that i too am like brooke), but there was a logic to changing horses at posting inns!! if you had a long journey it was common to change your own horse at the post closest to your residency, and there were post boys whose whole job was to take care of your horses while they rested and to get them safely back to your house. You could also bring a servant for that purpose, or have one sent from your home. After ten miles or so, you'd change horses again, and the post boy from the first inn would take them back while you continued on with another set of horses. Post inns (where you could also get some food, a room or hire a coach) and post coaches (that you could rent as a whole or share with other people, sor of like a long distance bus today) where pretty common on all english roads.
i love our facetimes bestie 😌
when I tell you I absolutely LOVE this channel I mean I am almost as obsessed as this insane author is with hobbiest horse breeders
can confirm that there are no rats in alberta and there's even a number you can call to report a sighting of one!
As an Albertan, the rat thing is a point of pride 😂
As for the book, have a nice little campfire and burn it 🔥
That’s so funny, and apparently they’re illegal to own as pets too😂
I read Defy Not The Heart last year! And I’m also a lesbian! It’s really interesting to read with a more critical eye, because I decided to read it on a lark to sort of compare to modern romance novels. I gained an appreciation for Lindsey’s writing- it’s pretty clear she cared about her craft and devoted some time to researching her setting. With that said, it’s just as weird and convoluted as these novels. It mostly a fun time.
There is just something about bodice rippers... I'm never sure if they are meant as comedy or if I am supposed to take them seriously. Either way, if I find one in my tiny library, I take it and have a good laugh 😂
Pretty sure it's a bit tounge in cheek. It's just smut with extra tropes
I remember that in the Outlander series there is a scene where they are in France and they go to like a public horse breeding show??? And apparently all the audience ended up really aroused from watching that. I wonder if that was a genuine entertainment in the olden times or just something romance authors made up for reasons unknown xD
Your take on the Lindsay "universe" is hilarious. Way back in the 1990s, my college friends and I would read a few Lindsay books aloud to each other - screaming in laughter and feminist fury. In fact, we created a drinking game where shots were taken for any mention of "dark chest hair," "muscular thighs," and "appendages." Hah! Sadly, we also had to drink whenever "heroine feels guilty" or "heroine blames self." Ugh. Thanks for sparking fun memories. I realize I'm still laughing - and still furious - at Lindsay!
I actually know a lot of the psycology behind why straight women tend to like these stories. Let's take stalker romance as an example. They don't want to be stalked, they enjoy the fantasy of being desired. These stories, like the one you're referring to, are loved because they provide a place for women to desire and be desired by men, something that is often condemned in modern society, especially with modern purity culture.
And it's actually safe!
@@Trinidadianlove Yes! That too!
I enjoy these types of books unapologetically. Always find these old paperbacks in little free libraries and takes them home for endless entertainment. And I LOVE these painted covers ❤❤❤
I think the guy you’re thinking of on a lot of the front covers is Fabio Lanzoni haha.
This video gave me horrible flashbacks to reading the Outlander series. Especially the SA chat. Good gravy those books shaved years off my life (I made it to book five before I rage quit. I should have given up after book two)
I cannot express my absolute love for your pose at 42:22 onward. It's giving Lizzie McGuire, and generally what my brain looks like during Google rabbit holes. 10/10
Fireworks going off outside my room, but they cannot compete with the ones Lindsey makes 😂
These videos are my Roman Empire
[52:07] If I ever read that a man fought "like he had money" I would think that meant he was pitiful at it, not "gentlemanly". An impoverished person would have had significantly more experience and grit than a rando in an ivory tower. It wouldn't matter if he was tutored in dueling daily, a man who fights to live would have better instincts.
Just finished your Lunar Chronicles video and saw this was posted feeling #blessed
For Savage Thunder: keep it in the bathroom for the next toilet paper shortage.
I suggest doing arts and crafts with the book. At least it'll become something.
Hearing you speak about all the things you don't get about straight romance and how these thoughts line up with mine. I think I need to rethink my life
I’m back from vacation and can finally watch this!!!
I only read the first like 25% of it but the plot of the first book sounds SO INCREDIBLY SIMILAR to the winter king
Well just the set up that is
A couple things. I lived in AB for 8 years. Never once heard the 'no rats' thing. Weird. And I have four brothers and never once have I ever done anything but look at one in passing and think 'yah, I can see why his wife thinks he's cute'. That's it, that's all. Thanks for being so entertaining while I worked out this morning!
oh how i needed this.
Incestuous thoughts, rape, impregnation fetish, "breeding", and uncomfortably obsessive about horses... Jail. Some people should not be allowed to write books.
Wait the rat thing is so interesting. I feel like I learned a lot today thank you
WHO IS AMELIA
THANK YOU
Oh I've read a Johanna Lindsey book or two, but I think it's been like a decade.
If anyone's interested in more modern smut without the consent issue, I really like anything by Meghan Quinn, who is quite a prolific writer too. My favourite is the Vancouver Agitators series (hockey players) and a trilogy about 3 billionaire brothers that plays in the same world.
If you want to stay with the sports theme, but like M×M, the Fake Boyfriend books by Eden Finley were really good.
And for a supernatural read I highly recommend The Alliance Series by Brenda K. Davies. It has vampires and vampire hunters and also includes quite a bit of action - the non-sexual type. It technically builds up on the previous series - Vampire Awakenings - but I think you can skip that one and go straight to the Alliance books. It's just some side characters of the first series having more central roles in the Alliance one.
But while the Awakenings books have some good ones among them, I found the Alliance ones just better.
I've re-read the Alliance series multiple times now.
I've never understood why it's called horseback riding...like yeah girl, what else are you going to ride, its front? Who thought to themselves, "no we can't possibly call it horse riding that's far too vague people might get confused". That's always just seemed so funny to me.
Lindsay really does just regurgitate the same plot points over and over again 😂 she also has a space romance in which the side characters who fall in love with each other are sentient spaceships, so if you can deal with the reoccurring non-consensual spanking and aphrodisiac tropes, read that one for sheer hilarity
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE
I love your willingness to go off on + research tangents like ratberta
i love ur channel u remind me all of my girl best friends throughout elementary and middle school who would tell me all about the books they've read in detail
34:59 burn it!! it's a witch! it floats, like a duck! or a really small rock!
Superstition, the occult, mysticism was all huge in Regency era. Sir Conan Doyle, and Alastair Crowley were both adults during this time period.
The only station above a Duke/Earl is Royalty. So they were probably wanting to marry her off to a foreign prince.
Fabio is his name
Please please please do a video on the Bridgerton books!