Is The New Type R Worth $73,000? The Answer Will Surprise You (2023 Honda Civic Type R Review)
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- Full review of the 2023 Honda Civic Type R, including the 2.0-litre turbo engine, handling, ride, price, features and running costs.
The Honda Civic Type R is now priced at $72,600 driveaway in Australia, which is a huge increase on the old model. But, with many people calling this the best hot hatch on sale, is the new FL5 CTR worth big money?
The Civic Type R uses a 235kW (316hp) tune in Australia but overseas it has 243kW (325hp). It competes with the Volkswagen Golf R, Hyundai i30 N and hatches like the AMG A35 and A45 plus Audi S3 and RS3. The Civic is only available with a manual transmission and LSD.
Time codes:
0:00 - What Is The Civic Type R?
0:15 - Price
0:28 - Value for Money
0:50 - Two Year Wait List
1:00 - Styling & Design
1:11 - Switch to Bonnet Vent
1:25 - 19-inch Wheels
1:49 - Pilot Sport 4S Tyres
1:57 - Brembo Brakes
2:05 - Rear Wing/Spoiler
2:25 - Triple Exhaust
2:45 - New Design Language
2:55 - 410L Boot Space
3:12 - Red Suede Style Seats
3:30 - Back Seats
3:45 - Steering Wheel & Shifter
4:05 - 10.2-inch Touchscreen
4:19 - Type R vs Regular Civic
4:53 - Not Overrated
5:04 - Revised Suspension
5:24 - Steering Feel
5:37 - FWD and Helical LSD
6:20 - 2.0L Turbo Engine
6:40 - Fake Sound?
7:00 - Not Tail Happy
7:24 - Engine Changes
7:42 - 6 Speed Manual
8:15 - 7000rpm Rev Limit
8:30 - Log-R Application
8:48 - High Grip Levels
9:28 - Brake Feel
9:45 - Civic Type R vs Rivals
10:15 - The Point of the Type R
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Picked up mine this past easter weekend and absolutely love the updates over the FK8. Looking forward to many smiles per gallon!
Gets worse fuel economy than older models.
@@Mexxx65 if you're buying this car for fuel economy you've bought the wrong car
@@Mexxx65
Who cares?
@@santoshrathod123 But, there are plenty of much more affordable sports cars in au that can do both.
In many ways it's a downgrade. I've driven it. It's clinical but last gen was more fun
Have my sonic grey on order, eta May/June 2024 🙂
Great video, keep up the excellent local content
Thanks, will do!
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‘Reverse Rim’
Lol
Keep it up 👍 mate
Hate the price, love the car
The only time in my life im happy to live in Canada :)
$73,000 in U.S. $ as of 4.10.23 its $48711 U.S. and add the $20,000 dealer markup plus tax or on road cost. some will get them for msrp and turn around and flip them, looks like a fun car and its manual
Previous Type R was also a 4 seater
Everything seems to be overhyped nowadays
Everything? Don’t overhype it.
@@oggyoggy1299 yes. Even this reply
Facts!!
If it wasn't overhyped, you probably wouldn't have paid attention to this car
@@gradientO A Type R badge is pretty iconic, so you would think it would get any car guys attention really, or most car guys.
But does it come with a MoTeC system exhaust?
I got one, i think it is definately worth it. ❤
As the previous owner of 2 FK8S(one stock and one modified)…anything above sticker is not worth it! It’s reliable yes BUT you’ll be spending thousands in parts and labor to give it some kick. Stock and even modified…still hard to launch off the line. New one although cleaner visually is slower and heavier than FK8. I already planned on waiting 2 years at least IF I decide to buy another and the market cools. Even if I were lucky enough to buy an FL5 for 5k US over MSRP(45-50k) I’d still have mods,wheels,labor adding approx. 12-15k. For that kind of money it has me leaning in the direction of other factory engineered performance cars that are turn key right off the show room floor,much faster and can be financed. Just my 2 cents…
I'm on my second FK8. My current one is lightly modified for track (which I took it to today). I just can't justify the additional cost for what is a very similar car. The same goes for the Integra Type S.
@@touringteg Agreed! It’s better cosmetically(I like both personally) but the difference in performance however slight can be surpassed for much cheaper by modding an FK8. My last FK8 had Titan TS-5 wheels and Michelin Pilot Sports…the same tire size as the new FL5 except mine were 18 inch rims. Better for tracking or comfort/flat tire magnets etc. The market will eventually correct itself after everyone is done trying to be the first on their block to have one!😁
Idk why you are worried about launch in a FWD car, FK8 is slower on track than fl5. Interior and build quality is much better in fl5. Having experienced and owning the fl5 its pretty clear its an upgrade thats worth it, not if u pay markup though. Im not sure if youve tracked your cars but it doesnt need more "kick" out of the box is plenty fun on track and tame on the drive home.
@@EricTsu The CTR is not a quick car so adding FBO is pretty much required. In the real world aside from some back canyon road,other drivers will easily pull away from you from a dig/crossing an intersection etc. A performance car should have just that…performance! It handles like a slot car yes and it’s bulletproof but my point was for the money that you’re spending plus the inevitable modifications…there are better turn key factory engineered hot rods that come with more performance and a warranty. I’ve always loved driving manuals and Honda has always made some of the best but my current 2.0T Accord/Auto sure is a more street friendly/fun daily driver that is a perfect sleeper for me until my next hot rod materializes.😁
@@justwingingit1 Really dumb take lol. Your ideology goes against the intended purpose. Like the guy said in the video, this is like buying a miata and then realizing you don't have the fastest 0-60.
I think these look great.
They absolutely nailed the styling.
2 things.
Previous generation was not a 5 seater as mentioned.
Wireless Android Auto is available.
Here in the uk I had the FK8 I decided to pre order this model before the dealership knew what the price was they had 12 other pre orders a month later the salesman who sold me the previous car told me the price and I cancelled my order the salesman told me 11 of the pre order's had also cancelled so in my opinion it is not worth the price
And now I want one.
It’s a bloody good looking car and the performance will speak for itself.
Could I afford one? Yer probably but I just can’t justify paying that for a Honda hatch. I’d prefer to spend and extra 10k and buy a 25 year old GT-R tbh…
Buy a very very old GT-R for 10K more than this awesome-driving car?
What performance its has 300hp maybe 270 to the wheels? That kinda performance was impressive in 1995.
We are lucky here in Australia. Honda has 1 price promise for all their cars so dealers cannot mark them up and consumers can’t haggle for less than MSRP. In the US, Honda dealers are allowed to mark these cars up and people are paying up to $60k - $70k USD. In the UK these are going for £47 thousand pounds at MSRP which converts to $87,400 AUD. We are definitely luckier than others who wants this car.
We're better off than Europe and the US with Japanese made vehicles and LCT doesn't really impact prices either. People bemoan Honda's fixed price guarantee but it stops price gouging for new vehicles.
It's about 72k in Australia including on-road costs. Mine is 75k with options and a 20 month wait. The agency model is an advantage in such cases of high demand cars like the type r, but for general consumers, I think it's a loss as you can't use dealers to compete with each other to drive the price down. I still think we're overpaying for this vehicle at 72k. The previous was about 60k on road and there are minimal differences bar the aesthetics. The residual percentage of this car over 3yrs is about 74% which is actually high and I think after 2026, it may actually start to appreciate from the residual value
Yeah, but the overall car market in the US is the cheapest in the world.
@@slyarsenal I put a deposit on one in May last year and picked it up on the 27th of March. I got a few extras which came to about $73,600
Agree totally.
Extremely nice looking car.
Hotly anticipated, but it seems like Honda doesn't want to sell these.
So if 'enjoyment' is the goal, then I won't worry about constantly calling dealers and be told that it's "sold out" when I know for a fact that not a single one has been sold where I live.
I'll just upgrade my FK8, it's faster anyway.
The FK8 isn't really faster, it's maybe similar in a drag and slower round a track.
They've all sold out and it's impossible to get one. The UK is still receiving a mix of 1st and 2nd batch cars (mines due for delivery June in 2nd batch) but each dealer will be lucky to get 3 a year.
Fk8 is only slightly faster in a straight line due to fl5 having a shed load more downforce, fl5 is faster where it counts 👍🏻
The allocations have sold out. You won't see any brand new in Honda dealerships. I have seen two though; one in black and one in championship white.
Honda can't make them any faster. It's concentrating on making the real profitable family vehicles.
@@celliott16 straight line speed doesn't count on a track?
How do people fit in a mx5? I'm only 5 9 or 10 and I can't rev match in one. My poor back
Asian import university students are going to LOVE this
Cue the fanboys 🤭
Type R and gold chopstick would be nice for Asian
Yeah Asian university students just can’t Australian- made junk.
The hybrid is absolutely fantastic though
That's their best car in my opinion.
Yes it is. If only it was closer to $40K than $60K.
@@chasingcars likewise can be said for the type r , if it was closer to 65k
Greedy dealers, complacent Honda, and people paying the markups are the ones killing the market. 😢😢😢
If that’s a bargain then my EGSi civic with B18c swap is worth 100k and I can easy convert it to AWD lol
73k aud it not a bad price, we spent 50k usd on our fl5.
The only people who buy a Type R for 73k are the sorts of people you'd never want to buy the same car from used down the road
I'd go as fat to say.
Out of the 1000+ buyers of the new FL5, most of them own a FK8, or currently selling their FK8 in carsales (or similar), or had owned an FK8!
Meaning you'll be buying these FL5's off of the same guys selling their FK8's now! ie - low kms just "run-in" FL5's!!!!
Enthusiasts in general value cars dearly, see them as investments and generally know they will hold value because there are others willing to pay for them. I sold my fk8 at near zero depreciation and I love it
Or just people who have the money and like the car. It's really that simple
@@caffeinefix2751 ....exactly
@@mahonnicklin9108 But unfortunately just "people" who have the money and take a liking to the car....have just missed out!!! Sold out, to "enthusiasts".
10k overpriced
sold out for two years means the market thinks otherwise. If you were right they'd be sitting unsold at dealers.
@@JBOsurf Just because any new car, worldwide, has sold every car that they've made of that model. Does not justify the price the manufacturer has slapped on it. Unless of course you are going to flip it, then you don't care what price is on the screen.
@@Mexxx65 mine arrives next month to sit next to my GT4. Won’t be selling either anytime soon.
@@JBOsurf Ahh both sitting collecting mothballs, hardly any Ks being put on them. Then you will strike when the market is ripe, and they'll be Goooooone!!!!! Heard it all before mate.
@@Mexxx65 47000kms on the GT4.
Three adelaide rallies. Driven to Uluru and back with a bunch of mates including an epic run through kings canyon. Four day trip all over Tassie. Yeah….gathering dust mate. Lol!
“On Michelin PS4S, things can get slippery”
Hmm lost a bit of credibility on this comment given it’s one of the better wet weather tyres out there.
73k aud there, in indonesia it cost 140k, almost twice 😅 ,
73k for a Honda Civic 😅😂
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Type r is always a 4 seater fn2, fd2, fk8, fl5 etc….
piped in sound should be easy to eliminate
Did engineers overtyre it (on 265 wide) for track time bragging rights at a cost of on public dry road enjoyment.
For Australian roads they did. For track nah. They over did the suspension though , way too harsh. It's almost unbalanced in R mode.
Its the REASON its marginally better than any other smaller tired FWD hot hatch.
@@Mexxx65 Better on a 160km/h+ smooth track for sure. Better on 80-100km/h targa type roads? I am not sure the equation of wide track at both front and rear, very wide tyre front and rear, long wheelbase - given it is FWD, is going to compute as the 'best' on enjoyment.
@@minimumtrade FWD Hot Hatches are all about front end grip. And with those 265s it currently has the most front end grip, in any road situation.
It's still a civic. If I'm going to think about spending that much just for a civic, screw it and go for a bigger car.
It's worth MSRP, maybe even 50k max! No, a civic is not worth 73k at that point you might as well get a RS3 have luxury amenities with a legendary 5 banger engine
You realize he's talking 73k aud, which is about 48k usd. You can't buy a 2023 audi rs3 for that.
@@adim00lah You are aware guys in America are selling the type R for $70k USD ? The mark up is absurd on this car here.
@@Lucas-ie2ti Yeah, for the people too lazy to call around, sure they may pay that. I paid about 50k for mine here in the u.s.
@@adim00lah Totally agree! 50k is the max id pay for it. How do you like it? I'm considering buying. Is it the ultimate "daily weapon" as everyone says it is?
@@Lucas-ie2ti It's a really fun car. The acceleration is pretty good for a 2.0l engine.
The handling is amazing. There is a good amount of road noise and the ride is a bit rough even in comfort mode. It's not gonna ride smooth like an audi rs3 or an m car.
The manual gear box and the steering feel is great.
Overall I'm very happy with our purchase and highly recommend it for people who want the fastest fwd car on the market.
S3 is now a $105k according to my local dealer. All the comparisons in this video are out of date.
LOL $73k for a Civic.
$73k for a Civic Type R.
It's still a civic
I wouldnt say this isnt about track and about fun. This car is absolutely about track, being the fastest fwd car ever
Recently saw a video where the last R smoked the new one on a rolling start. The new one launched better and is a little better on the track. Not worth the upcharge.
@@timbro101470 yea I saw that video too. And the fk8 will always launch faster but everything about the fl5 is refined, like everything according to everybody meaning car reviewers and owners. Idk how much $73k pounds or whatever equates to usd, but the fl5 costs $43k usd vs fk8 $36k usd and the msrp upcharge is for all the refinement so it is what it is. But its def not worth any markup
47K at my local Honda
Still waiting for the Nurburgring record. Don’t think it can beat the already over engineered FK8..
It destroyed the fk8 on Japan racing circuits
It pretty much did. It got 7:44, but the Nürburgring was a longer configuration for the FL5. I like the FL5, but not the price. I was lucky enough to get the FK8 for 34K no mark up brand new in 2017. So even at MSRP I can't justify this one.
Every Type R and performance Honda was a 4 seater including the FK8. The only exception was the NSX-R for obvious reasons.
Yeah, sorry about that.
Hello, Honda Accord Type R sedan?
@@Mexxx65 you are right the Accord was the other exception 👍🏼
Das Vorgängermodell , der FK 8,gab es bei uns nur als Viersitzer . Wenn sie die Auspuffklappe im mittleren Endrohr öffnen , verlieren sie Leistung ,weil sie Falschluft anziehen . Es wird lauter ,aber nicht leistungsstärker .
$73K and halogen lights lol funny as
Just the rear turning ones are halogen. Yeah not sure why they keep doing that
Much nicer looking than the previous model. They tried too hard to make it look like a ferrari. This one is WAY cleaner
9:35 two piston rotors?
Is it too expensive? Hell yes ! I would never pay that much for a hot hatch.
Now I watch the video to see your conclusion. 😆
The previous type r is not a 5 seater
Sure it's a fantastic car and it looks great in certain colours but the eye watering price is a massive turnoff considering what other options are out there on the new and near new market albeit with differing driven wheels and engine configurations etc.
The motoring world has lost its collective minds since c-19 and people are prepared to wait years and pay crazy prices for new cars.
your eye watered?
What is comparable at 50k lol
@@KaiBiz in Australia it's $76k from memory.
If it was $50k AUD it'd be the bargain of the decade.
Even at 73k what compares?
@@KaizenOz I'm not sure what country you are in but a search of my local car sales website revealed approximately 20 drivers cars around the $70k AUD mark that I would consider in place of the FL5.
Obviously most are used but if we just look at bang for buck the list is large.
I constantly beat up on this car with my hyundai in the real world
It’s worth the hype but you shouldn’t be paying 20k mark ups lol
No one will sell for MSRP. Most want 7500 over that plus all the other fees another 3500
FYI, it’s AUD 141,000 here in Indonesia due to import taxes which I thought was from the UK like the previous gen. But since it’s from Japan, it’s way more ridiculous and overpriced. 🙂
More expensive compared to an A35 sedan.
Woooow
It's built in Japan 🤔
a) it's made in Japan and b) it's better than an A35
@@keynesianeconomics4113 c) the built quality is ridiculous for that price point. Even without the markups.
@@Adi2527A5 I agree. That's why you buy the Civic instead.
Nothing changed but the looks !!! The FK8 looks like a Type R,,this one is more for older people and i dont blame them lol,,They are aged people. FK8 is for younger people. The FK8 is the faster car in a straight line.Not to say this car is bad ,,just because this is the newer one it doesn't make the last one obsolete.
Overpriced by $40.000
Did this man really say an Audi S3 would be faster than a Type R around a track?? Lol
He also said '2 piston rotors' and that the tyre r wasn't about track times..... Doh
Too expensive,you sure it’s 72000 and not 27000?
If it was a 7 sec 1/4 mile car that had a top speed of 200mph off the lot....yeah...
At 0 to 60 a 4.9 @ 170 mph
...about 50 to 60k
Rs3, cla 45, m2, Shelby gt500, corvette, z, Supra…..
Tell them "They are dreaming". Get an Hyundai instead
“most australians think its a bargain” - until they realize the fk2 from over 8 years ago… 😊
But it overheats and has gear grinds. .
But fk2 is a bit of a dog
The platform/formula of this type r has been around since 2015 theres been some tweaks and improvements of course which is normal as a successor comes along, whats not normal is to super inflate the price right there and then somehow the manufacturer deems it to be ok,. Its now trading for around 80k US btw, for a 4 cylinder thats been around for 20 plus years and somehow its a bargain? Nothing against the k series,. Really good power plant but the value of this FL5 is waaaay beyond what it should be, imo.
Resale value? Yes
Pass, Considering this thing is more than twice the price of New Brz/86. Although i like the model compared to the previous Type R
if its not rev sheeran, i dont want it
Subjective I know, but for me all the civic(s) just look so shyte… & good car or not that’s a big part of your purchasing decision!
Price though… wow! I’m out!
It's priced about the same as a MK8 Golf R in Canada. Better to go with the Golf R as it is faster both in a straight line and around corners.
Dream on, anything but a standing start drag and the fl5 runs rings around the golf, literally everywhere, watch some more comparison vids 👍🏻
@@celliott16 MK8 Golf R's lap time on Nurburgring is 7:47 in 20th Anniversary trim. What's FL5 Civic Type R's lap time on Nurburgring? Enough said. LMFAO SMH
@@KP-xi4bjThe FK8 did it in 7:40 so the FL5 should be able to do the same.
@@fatboowee6281 In your dreams it did. LMFAO SMH By the way, the FK8 that set a lap time on the Nurburgring was a development car and not an actual production car so it does not count. Try again.
@@KP-xi4bj FL5 7:44 so nice try 🤣
80K plus (MSRP au mark-up) .....simply not worth it. It's only a poofteenth marginally better than other FWD high performance cars, at considerably less cost.
Yeah, yeah, the Honda JDM aficionados in au will be lining up for it, at any cost. Even exclusivity.
There’s no dealer markups in australia
@@Obsessioncardetailing I didn't specify Honda Dealer mark ups.
@@Mexxx65 what markups are you talking abou then?
@@Obsessioncardetailing from other dealers I suppose
if you want one there are a dozen from flippers at over 80k and if that is too much too bad, thats your only option
Short answer, NO. The Type R is not even worth sticker, let alone nearly double it. ~300hp is quite easy to come by anymore, especially when looking at "enthusiast" Model cars. TRD camry, GTI, Golf R, Elantra/Veloseter N, any charger/challenger, k5 GT, stinger, WRX, and sooooo many more options out there, all under 40k unless you want more luxury.
it's a nice car no doubt, but I'll probably get the golf R for this price
Golf R is 85k-90k though.
It’s a wicked car. Not for everyone but for those who understand what this car is it’s definitely worth it.
I’m a potential buyer. And I wouldn’t buy it. Too expensive imo
@@Showmetheevidence- yeah it is expensive. People are flipping them online for $85k to $90k online. Ive seen some people trying to sell their allocation for $10k seeing there is a 24 month wait.
@@Showmetheevidence- Cool, one less person on the waiting list. Go drive a Golf lmao.
Lol hell no I don’t care how much u know about a car ain’t no way I’m paying that much for a 4 cylinder front wheel drive car with only 300 something horsepower
@@Showmetheevidence- Buy it in Europe. We have fixed price.
Previous type r is not a 5 seater.
And is not worth the money dealers mark up
73000!!! The fuck, you can get 2 different cars that can make more power shit you can get diesel truck with that. My lord it's almost supercar prices with economy power
He said this car bot for the track....
That is 50k USA.
Civic si and type R considered a Sport compact car. So yea it’s a Sport car.😂
its like paying 40k for a lada. This makes about as much sense as a high performance yugo. Dumb 73k is embarrassing honda should be embarrassed.
M135i and S3 are for people that can’t drive and need the car to do everything for them.
Yuck!
thought it was 11th generation
Not even one car worth 70k
73k no way. I could build a civic that would destroy this thing for 10k.
Every single car review on the Type R has been going on about the price, but they always forget to mention that a 2023 Megane RS is $75k, GTI is $65k + options, Golf R is $85-90k, S3 is $85-90k, A35 $95-100k.
Type R in comparison is similarly priced to its key rivals if not cheaper. Everything has gotten more expensive - not just the Civic. By every media outlet going on about the price while giving absolutely no context to the current market, all they’re doing is distancing the market from true enthusiast products like the Type R. We’re all going to be driving around in Camrys soon smh.
And what you seem to be forgetting is that you can actually buy the other cars you mentioned.
…the message of this video is that the CTR *is* indeed worth the $72.6K price
@@chasingcars 😂😂😂😂😂
Like I said in a previous comment. The FWD i30n sedan fully loaded is close to 100% of the type r in performance , they're neck and neck on track and it's 15-20k cheaper. Purely because of its badge. There's some context for you and it's the type r's closest comparison.
@@mharro88 the Type is definitely quicker than the I30 N plus you get a better gearbox, clutch, suspension and engine. Honda has been making hot hatches way longer than Hyundai so you’re also paying for the lineage and r&d. Another thing most reviewers are saying is the materials and the interior on the Type R are much better quality compared to the i30. The i30 is definitely good value though.
It’s really not worth that price, nor are many cars. The price bubble will burst soon
Looks great but why is Honda unable to make the Type R SOUND good??
Nah it’s not worth it. You could have just as much if not more fun in and older civic si with a high revving vtec motor.
I’d rather buy a M3 or a Z06 for that $$$
Overhyped! You can buy a new 22 wrx put 3 or 4K save a ton of money and have a way faster and more fun to drive car!
FK8 is cheaper and faster in a roll race
If people want it they will pay for it.
True. That is the free market.
Sheeeeet…here in the states you could buy a loaded 3.0 premium SUPRA GR for this price🤔🥴🤨
No way
The answer is no and it's not surprising 😂
Everything is expensive, the fact it's cheaper than a Golf R I would say it's fair given inflation, the car will hold value better then basically all it's competition and if your a manual lover this car has probably the best feeling manual of any car made, I would say that it definitely makes the car an easier choice if you live in a country that isn't raining every second day as well.
In Melbourne unfortunately it is indeed raining every second day. Still happy I got one tho!
Golf R is now $85k drive away and no stock until December (now April).
Go review the real thief the dealers that marking up the prices damn crooks.
It's a fantastic and agenius car,but for that price, you can buy a la Ferrari 😮
Almost 73k for a freaking Honda.... and you had not one negative in your so called review. What a joke.
Everyone boycott car purchases for 2 years.