Duno who this new presenter is but he's fantastic. Reminded me of Chris Harris. Lots of details, lots of specifics about the driver feel and handling, not just reading a spec sheet, but how those specs translate. Fantastic.
Excellent reviewer, thought it was Chris Harris at first. He summed up the golf for me when he said it's "effective". If you want to get from A to B quickly, easily and in comfort that's the car for you. If you want excellent driving dynamics, gearshift, steering feel and most importantly fun then the Type R is leagues ahead.
I haven't been too impressed with the reviewers on PistonHeads channel but today I found myself in a happy place. Great review, great video and great presenter.
For me it's simple. I live in a city, self employed and need to get to work every day to get paid. I have a sloping drive to get off, stop start traffic, dual carriageways, motorways, the odd b roads. All faced in potential ice, downpours ,diesel spills with the odd bit of sun. The golf is better equipped to deal with our uk weather. Not only that i,'m extremely happy to say my fully speced dsg 7.5 is the perfect car for this. It's all very well watching guys lyrical waxing on finer nuances of the handling of the Honda driving around beautiful roads in perfect conditions. But most of us live in the real world. Some people watch these reviews and fall in love with what they say.
Were you dropped on your head son? FWD cars have no problrm handling snow, rain, or anything else. Just throw a proper set of All-Seasons on there and you're good to go for any UK weather. If anything it'll be even quicker than that Golf R with it's twitchy rear end upsetting the car everytime you plant your foot down in a corner. That's why the Type-R still blows it away on track. As for daily driving, with the auto-rev match system in comfort this thing is extremely easy to drive around town or in traffic...I'm from NYC and it ain't an issue at all.
@@BigBear-- Let's be honest how many of us change our tyre's for the winter. Then that comment that Golf R's are twitchy planting power mid corner is laughable, you clearly don't own one. And my final point is when running big power, 4 wheel drive is the better option. Just look at what BMW has done, the rear wheel hero's now make there top M car's 4 wheel drive. Also Mercedes and Audi. Anyone can drive a performance car if they are gentle on the pedal in the winter. And who mentioned anything about track, i'm talking about a daily driven all year round family hatch.
@@BigBear-- okay now i got it. you are the definiton of keyboard warrior. in every single post u made you are fanboying so strong its disgusting. I hope u really dont own the car . Any prove do so.
@@BigBear-- were you dropped on your head as a baby? Is that why you’re so easily upset? Probably just because you’re a Honda fanboy, more sensitive than those of any other brand 🤦🏻♂️
As an FL5 owner, I completely agree with the assessment in this video. My previous car was a MK7.5 Golf R, as much as I loved it, the Type R is another level. Forget the numbers or how many wheels are driven, it’s the way it feels, the tactility and mechanical precision of everything. You need to drive one to understand. So compared with the price of the Golf, RS3, M Cars, AMGs, Porsches, Teslas etc, the Type R is a bargain.
HRC with their success in moto, F1 and MotoGP may understand how to build an engine better than anyone. Wether it be an inline 4, V4 or stacking two extra cylinders on that V for F1 they know what they are doing. Hopefully this makes sense...I'll add I'm an BMW M2C owner and not a Honda fan boy. I just drove the last iteration that my friend owns and was super impressed, can't imagine how much they've improve the latest version.
super excited for mine! Selling my GR Yaris for one. I sort of miss the crazy edgy styling of the old one, but i think this mature look will grow on me. Both the golf and civic are phenomenal ICE enthusiast cars. What a time to be alive
Reserved and waiting for the type R. No way to test drive one in the States but these videos praising the type R and comparing to the GT3 variant is definitely reassuring. Can’t wait to get delivery to experience one myself. Never owned fwd cars but this is definitely the one to do so
where u at i got mine its insane!!!!!! And i also own a 2022 porsche 911 C4s.... type R thrills are different and honestly more fun at the moment even though porsche is porsche the type R is mind Blowing!! MUST GET!!!
The Type R is not going to depreciate anytime soon. Being rare, expensive, and the last of its breed. I can imagine after a few years ownership, a minimum financial loss.
I'm absolutely shocked that you don't get a manual Golf r in the UK. I assumed with so many slobbish truck & suv drivers in North America we would be the last market to get the manual.
In Canada we're lucky as we get the manual transmission Golf R. I test drove a mark 7.5 DSG and Manuel and there's no comparison, the manual is so much more fun, so much more engaging and involving for the driver. I kinda feel bad for the real drivers across the pond. The type-r may handle better on dry roads but the Golf R will destroy the Civic type-r on wet roads or snowy roads, gravel... any slippery conditions. If I had my choice of any hot hatch out there now it would definitely be the Toyota gr Yaris. I currently have deposits down for both Emmanuel Volkswagen Golf R and the new gr Corolla I'll buy whichever one becomes available first.
@Gary So you're saying that the GR Yaris and the GR Corolla are not hot hatches because they are awd. That's completely false of course they're hot hatches. I could give a shit what Chris Harris says. Man what have you been smoking lately. I would easily take the GR Yaris over the Civic type-r Golf R anything, it's an amazing performance machine.
@@Latour6182- it’s not about just snow. If it’s a wet road in the spring, the fwd car (as amazing as the diff is) will fall to pieces. The Golf R will not.
Amazing review. I think the mark of how well made this video is, is that you can feel the joy. The only thing he didn’t mention is that in ten years the Honda will be purring like new and the Golf will be at the wreckers.
@@redline589 I’ve never heard of anyone calling vw “reliable” except people that either just recently got one and wants to feel good about owning it, or they’ve never owned one. Everyone I’ve met with a golf says they’re a pain in the ass once the warranty expires.
Thank you ! Great test. Unfortunately both cars are costing here ( Turkey ) around 100k ( really) Pounds because of special luxury taxes. So its nice to watch. If here the Type R would cost 50k pounds you could sell a lot of them.
Test drove a 2024 DSG Golf R on Monday. Absolutely loved it. As a manual car guy for 20 years, I found the DSG to be surprisingly enjoyable. I don't think I'll miss the manual in this vehicle.
I know the Type R is very expensive, but I feel that it is such a complete package, amazing driving dynamics, great practicality, you can even use comfort mode if you want! I love the fact we now have a new M3 Touring, but I would take this Type R over that M3 Touring and use the change for something else 🌚❤️
@@astradala1845 Well, yes but believe you me, a Honda are masters of FWD, I wouldn't pay £47k for a FWD, but I would for a Honda with FWD 😂 I have seen some people drifting the Type R :o (Obviously not big sustained drifts like on an M3 right 😂 but this is the only FWD car I have seen drifting :o)
Problem is with the extra pack its more 52k and great as it is and probably best in class as the fk8 was, you can get a 1 year old M4 comp for 56k and that is a completely different level of car imo.
This was a phenomenal review. Very well done. Only confirmed what I already suspected but this new Type R is incredible. Was between a few other cars but this thing is truly special and addresses all the issues I had with the FK8. Looking forward to getting one but right now there are so few in the states so prices are predictably ludicrous.
Lost me when you claimed the CTR has a better ride and more steering feel than the Golf. Neither vehicle has much in the way of feel and the Golf is VASTLY more compliant on actual broken pavement. It's also WAY louder on the highway than the Golf and the forums are full of owners chasing rattles everywhere. So tired of all the reviewer hyperbole on the Civic.
Don't know why manual is not offered in Europe, but it is available in the US. Worth mentioning, because the way he mentioned I thought it was DSG only globally...
The Type R is just absolutely perfect.. clever Honda engineers have turned what was the FK8 which was a well machined car in every way as in mechanically perfect to mechanically perfect but a bit more on edge.. those chaps and ladies are very clever.. who wants an E SUV.. no thanks.. the dual axis front diff is such phenomenal..
Great review. 24 R owner in the US. Have the MT option and chose it. Tbh I didn’t even drive the Honda. The old one was a disqualified for the unacceptable exterior styling (to me at least). Thought the new one was a great improvement at first view, but I can’t seem to get over its stretched out design. It’s like they over corrected from childish to too understated. And then there’s the wing…..it looks like a complete afterthought - or worse yet - a bad aftermarket modification. This is entirely secondary to the way it drives, but it’s so off putting that I didn’t even consider it. Also not a fan of the long wheelbase. If my aesthetic concerns didn’t keep me driving it, I woulda been looking into whether it drives too big for my taste.
My personal problem and I'm not entirely sure why this is but the idea of spending almost 50k on a Honda Civic just escapes me. Is it my age, the image of the type r brand, I just can't imagine thinking 'right I have a budget of around 50k I'll go take a look at the Civic type r' I just can't see it ever happening and I know people say their great cars
Pay now or pay later at the shop. I own several Hondas…some nearly 20 years old…still not a drop of oil underneath them in the garage. This is why as fast as the Golf R or the RS3 are I still don’t trust their long term reliability. I would drive any of my high mileage(200-over 300k) Hondas across the country with zero worries. Volkswagen/Audi with the same mileage…not so much.
@@BigBear--Agreed. It’s a shame some people can’t get over the whole ‘it’s a Civic’ mentality. I just don’t get it. Wonderful machines. Owned an FN2 and now an FK8 and I can’t fault either.
@@Highlander1518Yep. Same, previous cars were a '98 Nissan Maxima, which was awesome (especially as a first car). I would probably still be driving it if it didn't get totalled after some moron blew his light and I t-boned him. Then a 2003 Acura CL Type-S, that I owned for 14 years with no real issues at over 270K+ miles, other than maintenance (only got rid of it cause I wanted something new, it was still running perfectly). Then a 2020 Civic Si Coupe...that I was planning on keeping, unfortunately some moron decided to plow into me from an oncoming lane and totalled it (also forcing me to loose partial hearing in my left ear, and damaging one of my shoulders). Which is when I got the '23 Type-R. I pray to god nothing happens to this one...though it was already kinda hit in the rear bumper while it was parked on the street in BKNY, now there's a minor clearcoat chip and a tiny dent in the rear bumper. Someone also hit the side of my front passenger side fender with their door in a parking lot, leaving a tiny dent. I would've murdered them if I saw it, or could find them. Anyway, for personal, family, or friends I would probably never get anything other than something from Honda (Acura), Toyota (Lexus), Mazda, and maybe Subaru. I might consider something from Hyundai, or Genesis...though there would have to be some very compelling reason, along with a compelling reason not to get something instead from the previously mentioned manufacturers. Also Nissan...but mainly either the Z or the GT-R...and Infiniti (though not sure what the hell they're doing these days).
I suppose driving them around Wales just for fun when it's dry, yes, the Honda still has it. But every day driving is not just about bearable suspension or an infotainment system a motoring journalist can get used to in half a day but things like having an automatic gearbox for the other 90% of driving (throw in more useable driver assistant features and cooled seats and a sunroof and a heated steering wheel and a bunch of other things the Type R doesn't have). Couple that with the huge performance advantage the Golf has on anything other than dry, grippy tarmac and I'd still pick the VW if it was my money. With the current crop, that gap has widened for me, not closed.
That's not what the Type R (or a hothatch) is for though. The Type Rs have excelled in driving dynamics and passable interiors (although this one is better than the golf in that regard too). The Golf is just another German boat, of which there are many to choose from, as it has no distinct identity. The only gap is in 0-60 times, which is for children at this point. Pinning an accelerator pedal means very little.
That's not what a hatchback is for? What the hell is it for then? Journalist reviews or occasional track session? What world do you live in where one can drop $45,000 on such a vehicle? The rest of us have to save up our pennies to have a privilege to even afford a vehicle of this caliber. The GolfR is far an away a better daily driver and it's not even close. For most of us superior 99% of the time usability is far more important than the little bit of extra added performance/fun for that 1% of occasions. German boats with no distinct identity? I'll take my BMW/VAG/MERC any day of the week, as so would most sane people.
@@loxlover1714 I said 'hothatch', perhaps you misconstrued on purpose, or do you have no comprehension skills? This car's focus isn't comfort, practicality and luxury (which it does better than the Golf R anyway). It's an enthusiast car with a focus on driving pleasure unlike the German rivals.
@@alsayedfakhri4597 I didn't misconstrue anything on purpose. My comprehension skills are on par with a college educated person. Never claimed to be the smartest person in the room. Your argument is misguided. There is no definition of a hothatch that states that the only purpose of a hothatch is to go as fast as possible around a circuit, or be the most engaging, especially in sacrifice of every other aspects of what makes hatchbacks great. You're literally making this up. You can easily be the second/third/fourth most performant/engaging and STILL be an excellent hothatch. The idiocy of your statement is further exemplified by implying that German rivals elicit no driving pleasure. That's objectively false, you can look at the sales numbers to prove that. It might not be fun to YOU. You might be one of those Ricky Bobby people that lives by "if you ain't first, you're last". Which is fine. That's why we have choices. The world many of us live in you absolutely CAN demand all of practicality, comfort, luxury, and performance from ANY vehicle. I've own everything from modified Integras to modified M3s throughout my 25 years of driving. And I'm a huge fan of the Golf R in my 40s because it strikes such a wonderful balance of what I want to live with at this point in my life. My answer would have certainly been different 20 years ago.
New Type-R GT back in 2021 cost 37'500 euros. Today I bought 2021 with 20K km on odometer for 42'500 with a set of spare ''18 wheels and it's great deal! I've seen Type-Rs gone for ever 50K with much higher mileage
Excellent review my friend. One question for you if’s posible. If you need to consider buy one of this car a new type R or golf R mk7.5-8 ? What is best long term car? Consider carbon accumulation, electrical issues, quality materials. Thanks in advance
Great video BUT DCC ADAPTIVE DAMPERS IS NOT STANDARD ON R 20 YEARS. Ease to assume it would be as it's essential for 'ring mode to work on the 'ring. But it's not.
I know Honda is very spiteful with their negative reviews, but come on. I love both cars, but he's visibly getting jostled around FAR more in the CTR than the Golf R. I've heard nothing but negative things about the road noise isolation in the new Civic/Integra. I can only imagine the CTR with its more aggressive and stickier compound are worse in this area as well. Golf R is better for driving around normally on a day to day. CTR is the one you want on a weekend or track day.
Well narrated review. As a proud owner of a GR Corolla and an FL5 Type R, I can honestly say the Type R is on another level of quality, craftsmanship, and overall excellence. The car is an amazing machine, and I would NOT feel out of place driving in a Supercar group ride. And for sure I would not be left behind.
Excellent review. As an FK8 owner I can vouch for the ability of the Type R to both thrill, chill and fulfill- but never bore. No manual would be a deal breaker for me on the Golf R, no matter how good or fast the DSG is. An electric shaver where the shifter should be? Really? Yes, the FL5 improves on the FK8 in several areas. But I am already driving my dream car. And it looks the part. Always had a soft spot for a VW hatch- my folks had the original Rabbit in the mid '70's, and I also test drove the R32 when it came out. But the Honda just feels lighter on its feet.
Love the Type R! Exactly what a modern hot hatch should be. The Golf R just looks dull, bit of a sleeper i suppose 🤷♂️ take type R any day over golfR. I have a civic 1.5 turbo, and hell even thats a fun responsive drive that makes you smile, i cant imagine how the type R must feel
Absolutely bang on with this review. Sums it up perfectly. The new type R is a phenomenal all rounder. Might not be the quickest on damp bumpy twisty bits (that’ll be the GR Yaris) but everywhere else it reigns supreme.
For anyone watching this comparison, just go and actually physically look at the FL5 in comparison to the golf R- one looks stunning with bulging arches whilst the other is just a golf with quad pipes. I have one in championship white and it’s beautiful! I’ve had an 8v RS3 and this car is so much nicer despite the lack of a 2.5 5 cyl motor.
I thought the type R was quicker in a dry circuit handles better in the dry. But not in the west or snow. And also has less to go wrong and cheaper service maintenance and better reliability and resale.
Let's be honest. Type R is a good car, but it's only mildly cosmetically different from the previous one. Engineering is almost unchanged. So the step up in price isn't really justified, apart from saying "it's as good as the golf, so we're now charging the same money."
The engineering and aerodynamics are the main chamges they made to the FL5 vs the FK8. WTF are you talking about? Go watch Savagegeese's video on the new Type-R for the basic engineering breakdown.
I love the CTR but I’m gonna call this out, he doesn’t seem to agree with.. I’ll say the entire internet on some things. The Golf R’s interior is definitely nicer. Now if you don’t like haptic or touch buttons, that’s one thing. Totally subjective and it’s okay to have an opinion. But as far as interior materials, quality fit/finish, and most importantly features, the golf dominates the CTR. We’re talking not only heated wheel and front seats, but rear seats too. Ventilated seats. 3 zone climate. Outstanding ambient lighting. HUD. 15 dampen settings. The best steering wheel shape on the market. Every travel assist feature you can think of. DCC. Very accurate sound system. Wireless charging and wireless carplay, etc. It gets better gas mileage, it’s quicker in the straights and close everywhere else, it’s more comfortable, it can be driven confidently in all weather, and is unanimously considered the best daily driver hot hatch by a large margin. It does lose in dynamics. The CTR will be more fun for those looking for it. It’s more playful, it’s more analog and gives that track focused feel. It’s really good at doing that. It’s a great car no doubt. Not that the golf isn’t capable, it is. It just doesn’t feel like it’s ever trying. It’s very efficient. Either way both cars are great. My buddy has a CTR and I have a Mk8R and he wouldn’t disagree with anything. Different cars for different folks.
Whilst the car has more features, this review states the Civic has a better ride and better fit and finish interior. The infotainment is embarrassingly poor on the mk8 too. Electronic dampers are an option on the Golf also which is criminal. It's not the best daily, because the only real difference is 4wd which in the UK isn't the be all and end all.
@@alsayedfakhri4597 I understand that but as I already said and what I’ll reiterate is that it absolutely does not have a better ride. I’d say this is objectively true. You can make the golf MUCH more compliant than the CTR can be. I know what he said but like… literally everyone else disagrees. Why is DCC option criminal? In the US they all come fully loaded. The infotainment isn’t embarrassingly poor lol. Have you actually used one? Give an example of why you think it’s bad. And 4wd isn’t the only different. Again, it has way more comfort features inside as well.
@@AntFragale I agree with this video, as someone who has driven both. The ride quality in comfort is brilliant, the range of damping is much greater than the golf. It's criminal because to get adaptive dampers on the golf, it has to be specced. Arguably the most important part of the driving experience is an option, showing you much VW care. It's poor because it's difficult to use and realised heavily on the touch screen. It's difficult to use whilst driving without physical controls.
@@alsayedfakhri4597 I’m doubting you’ve driven them both if you think the farthest comfort setting on the golf has less range of motion. You’re cooked man lol. And how is the infotainment hard? Like specifically, what is difficult? I use it effortlessly. In fact, setting everything to auto is cake.
Man, I think your thoughts and comparisons between the two is outstanding and I've watched dozens of MK8R videos with some CTR and GR Corolla vids sprinkled in. I'm currently on a waitlist for an MK8R, and my opportunity probably won't present itself until 2024 most likely with how the supply of them is scarce.
There's no way of arguing the price is justifiable when the Cupra 300, Golf GTI Clubsport, Hyundai i30N, and Focus ST all cost significantly less but offer 95% of the driving experience. The Golf R 20 years edition may have a silly price, but you can't use one car as a guideline price comparison for the entire hot hatchback market.
@@recursion. I’ve got one coming in March, paid cash, could have bought a M2 or stepped up a bit more for an M3. Did you watch the review? If you buy your cars based on top trumps this is not the car for you. I’ve just sold my 500hp C63 to get in a Civic, can’t wait.
@@recursion. I would love to have kept the C63 estate as the family wagon but my wife prefers her little SUV unfortunately. The C63 is an awesome GT car, sounds amazing, but it wasn’t that fun on track and didn’t make we want to wake up at 6am and go for a blast. I want a car where I’m pushing the RPMs on the road, with 500hp you’re only tickling the C63 through the twisties.
How is the Type R an ‘everyday’ car if it only has 2 back seats compared to the VW’s 3-seat bench? And the Type R’s UK price is a rip off compared to Japan’s - and the UK cost of the FK8.
The Honda Type R is a cracking drive, no argument from me. I just wish it ws a 5 seater and cheap touches like semi LED lights were abolished. For my money the Golf R is what I'd buy as it is a more complete car.
Excellent review - by the way, the hot hatch in its original form is dead... these are both two high performance cars that move and live in a another plane of the auto-universe. I own a manual Golf R Mk 8 (Welsh but live in Virginia), I have owned it for a year with zero issues and miles and miles of smiles. I think the Honda Type-R is also a superb car, I just prefer mine.
Golf R DSG can easily get under 4sec 0-60- I clocked mine at 3.8 - deff depends on road - tire temp- but with that AWD ? shit grips instantly compared to the Type R.... But the Type R has a really sexy manual- so just depends what ya want. Faster? go Golf R- slower but fun? go Type R.
Just out of curiosity, which one is quicker around a track? Not like I’m racing either one, but would be curious to know which car runs a track quicker.
I think the manual is back for 2024? or at least for the US market. I do like the Golf R probably the best for the money but not sure it will be as reliable as the Honda over the long term.
Golf R new name should be Gold-A, who want's an "auto" hot hatch, certainly not me. I want to drive the car myself, such a shame VW went this way. Great review of both cars and awesome detail :)
Love this TypeR but got to ask who is it now aimed at? Hot hatches are by definition affordable cars (£47k is way outside affordable to most people), hyper hatches are by definition posh (think AMG, Audi RS etc), so is it trackday drivers? If so wouldn't a modded Clio RS or an M2 or a GR Yaris be a better trackday car? Or is it the well healed Honda fan who grew up with an EP3? Can see why they are saying limited numbers.
Well, I can only talk for myself but of course it’s aimed at real Honda fans. Drove nothing but Honda’s since I obtained my drivers license. As my income grew they got more expensive. Last 2 cars were S2000 and a FK-8. And Wednesday I’m picking up my new FL-5 🎉
I really hope to try a type R one day to see how enjoyable is. The other hot hatches l've tried are comfortable and quick in the 0-100... definitely not much enjoyable to drive
Huh? Don't shop around $50K cars, and cars won't be out of reach. Plenty of cheap Toyota's, Hyundai's, Honda's, Nissan's etc...you can get a car in the low to mid 20's with decent spec no problem.
Duno who this new presenter is but he's fantastic. Reminded me of Chris Harris. Lots of details, lots of specifics about the driver feel and handling, not just reading a spec sheet, but how those specs translate. Fantastic.
John Howell, and I agree, he's a very good reviewer. His written articles on PH are pretty damn good too :)
Similar voice too.
Funny you say that, he loves this car but CH said don't bother just get the mk7. I enjoyed watching this all the same.
looks like david cameron.
In the opening narration I thought it was Chris Harris.
Great review no humour to attempt to keep you entertained just pure petrol head enthusiasm , I was hooked to the end .
Excellent reviewer, thought it was Chris Harris at first. He summed up the golf for me when he said it's "effective". If you want to get from A to B quickly, easily and in comfort that's the car for you. If you want excellent driving dynamics, gearshift, steering feel and most importantly fun then the Type R is leagues ahead.
I haven't been too impressed with the reviewers on PistonHeads channel but today I found myself in a happy place. Great review, great video and great presenter.
Great presenter - would love to see more reviews with him. Spot on!
The Type R is sensational. Would love to have one!
For me it's simple. I live in a city, self employed and need to get to work every day to get paid. I have a sloping drive to get off, stop start traffic, dual carriageways, motorways, the odd b roads. All faced in potential ice, downpours ,diesel spills with the odd bit of sun. The golf is better equipped to deal with our uk weather. Not only that i,'m extremely happy to say my fully speced dsg 7.5 is the perfect car for this. It's all very well watching guys lyrical waxing on finer nuances of the handling of the Honda driving around beautiful roads in perfect conditions. But most of us live in the real world. Some people watch these reviews and fall in love with what they say.
Thank you.The type R is great on a dry track, but that’s it
Were you dropped on your head son? FWD cars have no problrm handling snow, rain, or anything else. Just throw a proper set of All-Seasons on there and you're good to go for any UK weather. If anything it'll be even quicker than that Golf R with it's twitchy rear end upsetting the car everytime you plant your foot down in a corner. That's why the Type-R still blows it away on track. As for daily driving, with the auto-rev match system in comfort this thing is extremely easy to drive around town or in traffic...I'm from NYC and it ain't an issue at all.
@@BigBear-- Let's be honest how many of us change our tyre's for the winter. Then that comment that Golf R's are twitchy planting power mid corner is laughable, you clearly don't own one. And my final point is when running big power, 4 wheel drive is the better option. Just look at what BMW has done, the rear wheel hero's now make there top M car's 4 wheel drive. Also Mercedes and Audi. Anyone can drive a performance car if they are gentle on the pedal in the winter. And who mentioned anything about track, i'm talking about a daily driven all year round family hatch.
@@BigBear-- okay now i got it. you are the definiton of keyboard warrior. in every single post u made you are fanboying so strong its disgusting.
I hope u really dont own the car . Any prove do so.
@@BigBear-- were you dropped on your head as a baby? Is that why you’re so easily upset? Probably just because you’re a Honda fanboy, more sensitive than those of any other brand 🤦🏻♂️
As an FL5 owner, I completely agree with the assessment in this video. My previous car was a MK7.5 Golf R, as much as I loved it, the Type R is another level. Forget the numbers or how many wheels are driven, it’s the way it feels, the tactility and mechanical precision of everything. You need to drive one to understand. So compared with the price of the Golf, RS3, M Cars, AMGs, Porsches, Teslas etc, the Type R is a bargain.
How is the type r a bargain when the cars you mentioned are in a league and class above.😂
That Halfords strip light across the front of the golf is unforgivable
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It looks stupid
it looks soo bad at night.
It’s tacky AF…😂😂😂
HRC with their success in moto, F1 and MotoGP may understand how to build an engine better than anyone. Wether it be an inline 4, V4 or stacking two extra cylinders on that V for F1 they know what they are doing. Hopefully this makes sense...I'll add I'm an BMW M2C owner and not a Honda fan boy. I just drove the last iteration that my friend owns and was super impressed, can't imagine how much they've improve the latest version.
super excited for mine! Selling my GR Yaris for one. I sort of miss the crazy edgy styling of the old one, but i think this mature look will grow on me. Both the golf and civic are phenomenal ICE enthusiast cars. What a time to be alive
I'm very tempted to do the same... The GR Yaris is a hard act to follow.
yaris is a weapon, way better than new gr carolla
what i would do for that gr yaris to be sold in US ;(
The gr yaris will hold value over the years. You may regret it.
@@chenheadsmith5998 or certainly will.lose value if I daily it or if I pay the 1.5k insurance every year
God that COLOR on the type R. My dream car, I am a modest man.
I don't know the name in other countries but in America that is called "Boost Blue Pearl" :) (And I love it as well!)
What an amazing review! Just bought that same exact FL5 this week and I must say the review is on point, the car is truly special.
Reserved and waiting for the type R. No way to test drive one in the States but these videos praising the type R and comparing to the GT3 variant is definitely reassuring. Can’t wait to get delivery to experience one myself. Never owned fwd cars but this is definitely the one to do so
where u at i got mine its insane!!!!!! And i also own a 2022 porsche 911 C4s....
type R thrills are different and honestly more fun at the moment
even though porsche is porsche the type R
is mind Blowing!! MUST GET!!!
Got your Type R yet?
What’s the verdict?
@@saucey99 you’re one lucky man! Please do a comparison video for us! 😊
The Type R is not going to depreciate anytime soon. Being rare, expensive, and the last of its breed. I can imagine after a few years ownership, a minimum financial loss.
absolute stonks. Some are selling it used marked up too
Same for the mk8r. Even the 7r is selling for more.
2025/26 Golf R & relatives will likely be the last petrol Golf generation
Have a Type R, in red, due in a few weeks……and I CANNOT WAIT 😊
Awesome in-depth entertaining yet insightful review.
Finding Sarah Marshall was awesome man. Nice you're into cars.
I'm absolutely shocked that you don't get a manual Golf r in the UK. I assumed with so many slobbish truck & suv drivers in North America we would be the last market to get the manual.
In Canada we're lucky as we get the manual transmission Golf R.
I test drove a mark 7.5 DSG and Manuel and there's no comparison, the manual is so much more fun, so much more engaging and involving for the driver.
I kinda feel bad for the real drivers across the pond.
The type-r may handle better on dry roads but the Golf R will destroy the Civic type-r on wet roads or snowy roads, gravel... any slippery conditions.
If I had my choice of any hot hatch out there now it would definitely be the Toyota gr Yaris.
I currently have deposits down for both Emmanuel Volkswagen Golf R and the new gr Corolla I'll buy whichever one becomes available first.
@Gary
So you're saying that the GR Yaris and the GR Corolla are not hot hatches because they are awd. That's completely false of course they're hot hatches.
I could give a shit what Chris Harris says.
Man what have you been smoking lately.
I would easily take the GR Yaris over the Civic type-r Golf R anything, it's an amazing performance machine.
It’s always about the tires in snow and inclement weather regardless of what car sits on top of them.
@@Latour6182- it’s not about just snow. If it’s a wet road in the spring, the fwd car (as amazing as the diff is) will fall to pieces. The Golf R will not.
Amazing review. I think the mark of how well made this video is, is that you can feel the joy. The only thing he didn’t mention is that in ten years the Honda will be purring like new and the Golf will be at the wreckers.
I like the Honda as well, but we both know the Golfs pretty reliable it's the same engine as the mk7, and they are good for at least 150k miles.
BS - have owned both Hondas and VWs in the past - both last just fine with good maintenance. I'll happily take the Golf R over any Honda.
@@smcgmail8238 replying to washout or redline?
Maybe but with a rotten chassis that doesn’t matter
@@redline589 I’ve never heard of anyone calling vw “reliable” except people that either just recently got one and wants to feel good about owning it, or they’ve never owned one. Everyone I’ve met with a golf says they’re a pain in the ass once the warranty expires.
Thank you ! Great test. Unfortunately both cars are costing here ( Turkey ) around 100k ( really) Pounds because of special luxury taxes. So its nice to watch. If here the Type R would cost 50k pounds you could sell a lot of them.
Test drove a 2024 DSG Golf R on Monday. Absolutely loved it. As a manual car guy for 20 years, I found the DSG to be surprisingly enjoyable. I don't think I'll miss the manual in this vehicle.
My Type R arrives in March, can’t wait.
Mine in 2nd half of april , can't wait either 😅 where are you from?
@@HouseOfPetrol based in the U.K. what about you?
@@jamsxr belgium..
What are they listing for in the UK?
@@HouseOfPetrol £47k, although from April they’re going up to £49k.
@@jamsxr so about the same as here , i paid 54.750€
Enjoy your's mate!
Spot on! Type R is epic
Price aint it though
I know the Type R is very expensive, but I feel that it is such a complete package, amazing driving dynamics, great practicality, you can even use comfort mode if you want! I love the fact we now have a new M3 Touring, but I would take this Type R over that M3 Touring and use the change for something else 🌚❤️
47k for a FWD car though..
@@astradala1845 Well, yes but believe you me, a Honda are masters of FWD, I wouldn't pay £47k for a FWD, but I would for a Honda with FWD 😂 I have seen some people drifting the Type R :o (Obviously not big sustained drifts like on an M3 right 😂 but this is the only FWD car I have seen drifting :o)
Problem is with the extra pack its more 52k and great as it is and probably best in class as the fk8 was, you can get a 1 year old M4 comp for 56k and that is a completely different level of car imo.
@@Bmontepeque11 Very true to be fair. Tyre R even the FK8 are monsters both on and off the track definitely the meanest FWD car you can buy
Made from unobtainium unfortunately.
Important point is after 5 years no oil leaks,rattles,thing’s coming off,transmission gone, spending 💰💰💰on the type R.😂😂😂👍🏽
Car prices are officially out of hand. Love both of these cars tho.
Honda is just on another level
No its not. Each has advantages and disadvantages. For example, the Golf R from a stop or in wet weather.
This was a phenomenal review. Very well done. Only confirmed what I already suspected but this new Type R is incredible. Was between a few other cars but this thing is truly special and addresses all the issues I had with the FK8. Looking forward to getting one but right now there are so few in the states so prices are predictably ludicrous.
New type R is just one of the best alrounders end of.
Great spot on review, need to see more from this guy
Lost me when you claimed the CTR has a better ride and more steering feel than the Golf. Neither vehicle has much in the way of feel and the Golf is VASTLY more compliant on actual broken pavement. It's also WAY louder on the highway than the Golf and the forums are full of owners chasing rattles everywhere. So tired of all the reviewer hyperbole on the Civic.
Thas were I stop watching too. Like wtf is with these people. We all know ctr is a track inspired car, dont lie to us😅
The type r is a poor man's gt3 essentially. Got the deposit on a sonic grey one, can't wait to pick it up soon!
I have a long wait to December for my Type R....
Poor you. I’ve to wait 10 years before I can afford one 😢
Great presenter. I love that both of these cars exist.
Don't know why manual is not offered in Europe, but it is available in the US. Worth mentioning, because the way he mentioned I thought it was DSG only globally...
A great review! Super nice narration. Kudos to the presenter. Subscribed!
On a track it might be brilliant but in real life conditions and roads it’s Golf R you want all day!
Maintenance reliability and service cost to keep it in the road.
just take the clubsport for the track no need for an honda lol
@@lilmoesieable and vice versa.
This guy really a good auto presenter. Cant help myself from pressing the subs button
The Type R is just absolutely perfect.. clever Honda engineers have turned what was the FK8 which was a well machined car in every way as in mechanically perfect to mechanically perfect but a bit more on edge.. those chaps and ladies are very clever.. who wants an E SUV.. no thanks.. the dual axis front diff is such phenomenal..
Objective, neutral, suave, and excellently informative.
They should put the rs3 2.5 engine in the golf r and call it R+ with 420bhp would be the ultimate hatchback
And still shite.
You buerk
With a manual gearbox. Dreamy
Wasn’t that what they wanted too do with the MK8 but Audi said no.
@@danielainger So Audi can borrow VW engine but won't let it go other way 🤣
Great review. 24 R owner in the US. Have the MT option and chose it. Tbh I didn’t even drive the Honda. The old one was a disqualified for the unacceptable exterior styling (to me at least). Thought the new one was a great improvement at first view, but I can’t seem to get over its stretched out design. It’s like they over corrected from childish to too understated. And then there’s the wing…..it looks like a complete afterthought - or worse yet - a bad aftermarket modification.
This is entirely secondary to the way it drives, but it’s so off putting that I didn’t even consider it.
Also not a fan of the long wheelbase. If my aesthetic concerns didn’t keep me driving it, I woulda been looking into whether it drives too big for my taste.
My personal problem and I'm not entirely sure why this is but the idea of spending almost 50k on a Honda Civic just escapes me.
Is it my age, the image of the type r brand, I just can't imagine thinking 'right I have a budget of around 50k I'll go take a look at the Civic type r' I just can't see it ever happening and I know people say their great cars
That would change if you ever got a chance to drive the FL5.
Or actually look at one and see how the golf R (or anything else)looks very very dull. I have a championship white fl5 and it’s beautiful.
Pay now or pay later at the shop. I own several Hondas…some nearly 20 years old…still not a drop of oil underneath them in the garage. This is why as fast as the Golf R or the RS3 are I still don’t trust their long term reliability. I would drive any of my high mileage(200-over 300k) Hondas across the country with zero worries. Volkswagen/Audi with the same mileage…not so much.
@@BigBear--Agreed. It’s a shame some people can’t get over the whole ‘it’s a Civic’ mentality. I just don’t get it. Wonderful machines. Owned an FN2 and now an FK8 and I can’t fault either.
@@Highlander1518Yep. Same, previous cars were a '98 Nissan Maxima, which was awesome (especially as a first car). I would probably still be driving it if it didn't get totalled after some moron blew his light and I t-boned him. Then a 2003 Acura CL Type-S, that I owned for 14 years with no real issues at over 270K+ miles, other than maintenance (only got rid of it cause I wanted something new, it was still running perfectly). Then a 2020 Civic Si Coupe...that I was planning on keeping, unfortunately some moron decided to plow into me from an oncoming lane and totalled it (also forcing me to loose partial hearing in my left ear, and damaging one of my shoulders). Which is when I got the '23 Type-R. I pray to god nothing happens to this one...though it was already kinda hit in the rear bumper while it was parked on the street in BKNY, now there's a minor clearcoat chip and a tiny dent in the rear bumper. Someone also hit the side of my front passenger side fender with their door in a parking lot, leaving a tiny dent. I would've murdered them if I saw it, or could find them.
Anyway, for personal, family, or friends I would probably never get anything other than something from Honda (Acura), Toyota (Lexus), Mazda, and maybe Subaru. I might consider something from Hyundai, or Genesis...though there would have to be some very compelling reason, along with a compelling reason not to get something instead from the previously mentioned manufacturers. Also Nissan...but mainly either the Z or the GT-R...and Infiniti (though not sure what the hell they're doing these days).
Stunningly reported. That Honda is a work of art.
I suppose driving them around Wales just for fun when it's dry, yes, the Honda still has it. But every day driving is not just about bearable suspension or an infotainment system a motoring journalist can get used to in half a day but things like having an automatic gearbox for the other 90% of driving (throw in more useable driver assistant features and cooled seats and a sunroof and a heated steering wheel and a bunch of other things the Type R doesn't have). Couple that with the huge performance advantage the Golf has on anything other than dry, grippy tarmac and I'd still pick the VW if it was my money. With the current crop, that gap has widened for me, not closed.
I’m a Honda fanboy, but I agree with you 100%, like how often are we on these type of roads rallying our car.
That's not what the Type R (or a hothatch) is for though. The Type Rs have excelled in driving dynamics and passable interiors (although this one is better than the golf in that regard too).
The Golf is just another German boat, of which there are many to choose from, as it has no distinct identity.
The only gap is in 0-60 times, which is for children at this point. Pinning an accelerator pedal means very little.
That's not what a hatchback is for? What the hell is it for then? Journalist reviews or occasional track session? What world do you live in where one can drop $45,000 on such a vehicle? The rest of us have to save up our pennies to have a privilege to even afford a vehicle of this caliber. The GolfR is far an away a better daily driver and it's not even close. For most of us superior 99% of the time usability is far more important than the little bit of extra added performance/fun for that 1% of occasions.
German boats with no distinct identity? I'll take my BMW/VAG/MERC any day of the week, as so would most sane people.
@@loxlover1714 I said 'hothatch', perhaps you misconstrued on purpose, or do you have no comprehension skills?
This car's focus isn't comfort, practicality and luxury (which it does better than the Golf R anyway). It's an enthusiast car with a focus on driving pleasure unlike the German rivals.
@@alsayedfakhri4597 I didn't misconstrue anything on purpose. My comprehension skills are on par with a college educated person. Never claimed to be the smartest person in the room.
Your argument is misguided. There is no definition of a hothatch that states that the only purpose of a hothatch is to go as fast as possible around a circuit, or be the most engaging, especially in sacrifice of every other aspects of what makes hatchbacks great. You're literally making this up. You can easily be the second/third/fourth most performant/engaging and STILL be an excellent hothatch. The idiocy of your statement is further exemplified by implying that German rivals elicit no driving pleasure. That's objectively false, you can look at the sales numbers to prove that. It might not be fun to YOU. You might be one of those Ricky Bobby people that lives by "if you ain't first, you're last". Which is fine. That's why we have choices. The world many of us live in you absolutely CAN demand all of practicality, comfort, luxury, and performance from ANY vehicle. I've own everything from modified Integras to modified M3s throughout my 25 years of driving. And I'm a huge fan of the Golf R in my 40s because it strikes such a wonderful balance of what I want to live with at this point in my life. My answer would have certainly been different 20 years ago.
The red seatbelt on type r beats vw by itself not to mention that lovley rear wing , manual gearbox is so cool, and that clasic bashboard...
Great video.
The FL5 Type R hands down the best TypeR
Awesome presentation, subscribed!
I don't like water pump issues. Both my cousins Golfs have had them fail.
Thank you for an excellent video, where was it filmed?
Geoff.
Great presenter, of a great car! Thoroughly enjoyed
New Type-R GT back in 2021 cost 37'500 euros. Today I bought 2021 with 20K km on odometer for 42'500 with a set of spare ''18 wheels and it's great deal! I've seen Type-Rs gone for ever 50K with much higher mileage
Just purchased one. Thanks team👍🏻
Excellent review my friend.
One question for you if’s posible.
If you need to consider buy one of this car a new type R or golf R mk7.5-8 ? What is best long term car? Consider carbon accumulation, electrical issues, quality materials.
Thanks in advance
This is why Chris Harris name the fl5 car of the year2022. The Power of dream honda💪
Great video BUT DCC ADAPTIVE DAMPERS IS NOT STANDARD ON R 20 YEARS. Ease to assume it would be as it's essential for 'ring mode to work on the 'ring. But it's not.
Fab reporting. Knowledgable and well explained what they truly feel like. This fella knows how to drive 👏👌💚
Excellent video. Subscribed.
I know Honda is very spiteful with their negative reviews, but come on. I love both cars, but he's visibly getting jostled around FAR more in the CTR than the Golf R. I've heard nothing but negative things about the road noise isolation in the new Civic/Integra. I can only imagine the CTR with its more aggressive and stickier compound are worse in this area as well.
Golf R is better for driving around normally on a day to day. CTR is the one you want on a weekend or track day.
Tony from Hollyoaks doing a good job reviewing cars.
Well narrated review. As a proud owner of a GR Corolla and an FL5 Type R, I can honestly say the Type R is on another level of quality, craftsmanship, and overall excellence. The car is an amazing machine, and I would NOT feel out of place driving in a Supercar group ride. And for sure I would not be left behind.
Emm.. I don’t think that’s how it works man
Excellent review.
As an FK8 owner I can vouch for the ability of the Type R to both thrill, chill and fulfill- but never bore.
No manual would be a deal breaker for me on the Golf R, no matter how good or fast the DSG is. An electric shaver where the shifter should be? Really?
Yes, the FL5 improves on the FK8 in several areas. But I am already driving my dream car. And it looks the part.
Always had a soft spot for a VW hatch- my folks had the original Rabbit in the mid '70's, and I also test drove the R32 when it came out. But the Honda just feels lighter on its feet.
Very good reviewer presenter John Howell
Love the Type R! Exactly what a modern hot hatch should be. The Golf R just looks dull, bit of a sleeper i suppose 🤷♂️ take type R any day over golfR. I have a civic 1.5 turbo, and hell even thats a fun responsive drive that makes you smile, i cant imagine how the type R must feel
I agree the German cars are so boring. Apart from been really fast in a straight line, there's literally no character to them.
@@lukefawbert3808 I am german and i fully agree with you.
Absolutely bang on with this review. Sums it up perfectly.
The new type R is a phenomenal all rounder. Might not be the quickest on damp bumpy twisty bits (that’ll be the GR Yaris) but everywhere else it reigns supreme.
Both these cars would gap the GR bro
@@astradala1845 only on smooth dry roads… but the type R is more enjoyable to drive.
Love the colour of the Honda.
I’m a Honda guy, but the thing is any idiot can drive a golf R fast and safely, so in my book that is clever that is evolution of car.
For anyone watching this comparison, just go and actually physically look at the FL5 in comparison to the golf R- one looks stunning with bulging arches whilst the other is just a golf with quad pipes.
I have one in championship
white and it’s beautiful!
I’ve had an 8v RS3 and this car is so much nicer despite the lack of a 2.5 5 cyl motor.
The Type R is overall more immersive and exciting. It's bigger and more special!
Becouse is manual and is amazing !
Golf R thanks quicker, and handles alot better especially in the wet thanks to its 4 wheel drive system!!!
And the Golf R 20yrs edition even better!!!
I thought the type R was quicker in a dry circuit handles better in the dry.
But not in the west or snow.
And also has less to go wrong and cheaper service maintenance and better reliability and resale.
@@Tigerex966 you’re correct, I have the 8R PP and it’s lethal in the wet, let’s go way to easily, dangerous even in the damp, maybe needs PS4S tyres
Let's be honest. Type R is a good car, but it's only mildly cosmetically different from the previous one. Engineering is almost unchanged. So the step up in price isn't really justified, apart from saying "it's as good as the golf, so we're now charging the same money."
Almost unchanged 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The engineering and aerodynamics are the main chamges they made to the FL5 vs the FK8. WTF are you talking about? Go watch Savagegeese's video on the new Type-R for the basic engineering breakdown.
It's made in Japan (every single point it's improved) it's best ever type R is worth every penny
You know nothing mate
@@m0rrisseyyy who is that reply to?
I love the CTR but I’m gonna call this out, he doesn’t seem to agree with.. I’ll say the entire internet on some things.
The Golf R’s interior is definitely nicer. Now if you don’t like haptic or touch buttons, that’s one thing. Totally subjective and it’s okay to have an opinion. But as far as interior materials, quality fit/finish, and most importantly features, the golf dominates the CTR. We’re talking not only heated wheel and front seats, but rear seats too. Ventilated seats. 3 zone climate. Outstanding ambient lighting. HUD. 15 dampen settings. The best steering wheel shape on the market. Every travel assist feature you can think of. DCC. Very accurate sound system. Wireless charging and wireless carplay, etc. It gets better gas mileage, it’s quicker in the straights and close everywhere else, it’s more comfortable, it can be driven confidently in all weather, and is unanimously considered the best daily driver hot hatch by a large margin.
It does lose in dynamics. The CTR will be more fun for those looking for it. It’s more playful, it’s more analog and gives that track focused feel. It’s really good at doing that. It’s a great car no doubt. Not that the golf isn’t capable, it is. It just doesn’t feel like it’s ever trying. It’s very efficient.
Either way both cars are great. My buddy has a CTR and I have a Mk8R and he wouldn’t disagree with anything. Different cars for different folks.
Whilst the car has more features, this review states the Civic has a better ride and better fit and finish interior. The infotainment is embarrassingly poor on the mk8 too.
Electronic dampers are an option on the Golf also which is criminal.
It's not the best daily, because the only real difference is 4wd which in the UK isn't the be all and end all.
@@alsayedfakhri4597 I understand that but as I already said and what I’ll reiterate is that it absolutely does not have a better ride. I’d say this is objectively true. You can make the golf MUCH more compliant than the CTR can be. I know what he said but like… literally everyone else disagrees.
Why is DCC option criminal? In the US they all come fully loaded.
The infotainment isn’t embarrassingly poor lol. Have you actually used one? Give an example of why you think it’s bad.
And 4wd isn’t the only different. Again, it has way more comfort features inside as well.
@@AntFragale I agree with this video, as someone who has driven both. The ride quality in comfort is brilliant, the range of damping is much greater than the golf.
It's criminal because to get adaptive dampers on the golf, it has to be specced. Arguably the most important part of the driving experience is an option, showing you much VW care.
It's poor because it's difficult to use and realised heavily on the touch screen. It's difficult to use whilst driving without physical controls.
@@alsayedfakhri4597 I’m doubting you’ve driven them both if you think the farthest comfort setting on the golf has less range of motion. You’re cooked man lol.
And how is the infotainment hard? Like specifically, what is difficult? I use it effortlessly. In fact, setting everything to auto is cake.
Man, I think your thoughts and comparisons between the two is outstanding and I've watched dozens of MK8R videos with some CTR and GR Corolla vids sprinkled in. I'm currently on a waitlist for an MK8R, and my opportunity probably won't present itself until 2024 most likely with how the supply of them is scarce.
what road is that?
There's no way of arguing the price is justifiable when the Cupra 300, Golf GTI Clubsport, Hyundai i30N, and Focus ST all cost significantly less but offer 95% of the driving experience. The Golf R 20 years edition may have a silly price, but you can't use one car as a guideline price comparison for the entire hot hatchback market.
I would take the Type R over an M2, RS3 or A45. It’s expensive, but all relative.
@@jamsxr no way you're saying that😂😂😂
@@recursion. I’ve got one coming in March, paid cash, could have bought a M2 or stepped up a bit more for an M3. Did you watch the review? If you buy your cars based on top trumps this is not the car for you. I’ve just sold my 500hp C63 to get in a Civic, can’t wait.
@@jamsxr why did you sell your c63, sounds like you could afford to keep it and still buy type R?
@@recursion. I would love to have kept the C63 estate as the family wagon but my wife prefers her little SUV unfortunately. The C63 is an awesome GT car, sounds amazing, but it wasn’t that fun on track and didn’t make we want to wake up at 6am and go for a blast. I want a car where I’m pushing the RPMs on the road, with 500hp you’re only tickling the C63 through the twisties.
Thought this was Chris Harris at first and thats a good thing, I just subed
Straight roads are for fast cars, corners are for fast drivers.
When you wont a racer car always is Manual ❤
Love for Honda !🔥
How is the Type R an ‘everyday’ car if it only has 2 back seats compared to the VW’s 3-seat bench?
And the Type R’s UK price is a rip off compared to Japan’s - and the UK cost of the FK8.
Well in Japan...the car is made in Japan. In UK the car is made in Japan.
Does that start to connect the dots on why it's more money in UK?
Forgot to add that the previous FK8 was made in UK.
Great video, but how did we ever get a place where the blue collar worker fast car costs £47k. The price of these cars is Bonkers.
The Honda Type R is a cracking drive, no argument from me. I just wish it ws a 5 seater and cheap touches like semi LED lights were abolished. For my money the Golf R is what I'd buy as it is a more complete car.
Great review…thanks
Excellent review - by the way, the hot hatch in its original form is dead... these are both two high performance cars that move and live in a another plane of the auto-universe. I own a manual Golf R Mk 8 (Welsh but live in Virginia), I have owned it for a year with zero issues and miles and miles of smiles. I think the Honda Type-R is also a superb car, I just prefer mine.
4WD is the way to go with US Winters.
@@fredbrackelysurely only in a limited number of states??
Can't see why hazard lights flash when breaking a little hard,.
Golf R DSG can easily get under 4sec 0-60- I clocked mine at 3.8 - deff depends on road - tire temp- but with that AWD ? shit grips instantly compared to the Type R.... But the Type R has a really sexy manual- so just depends what ya want. Faster? go Golf R- slower but fun? go Type R.
Closest car under 50k to a gt3, no golf or audi is matching that thing lol just not happening👌🏾
if you look back the Type R only became "ourageous looking" in the last 2 gens before the FL8, before it was only a lighter Civic or Integra
Just out of curiosity, which one is quicker around a track? Not like I’m racing either one, but would be curious to know which car runs a track quicker.
Type r is a fair bit faster than the standard golf r on the track tests I've seen.
I think the manual is back for 2024? or at least for the US market. I do like the Golf R probably the best for the money but not sure it will be as reliable as the Honda over the long term.
Great review, the new presenter is incredible.
Didn't know Jason Segel does car reviews!
Great reviewer!
Golf R new name should be Gold-A, who want's an "auto" hot hatch, certainly not me. I want to drive the car myself, such a shame VW went this way. Great review of both cars and awesome detail :)
Get used to it. Manuals are dead.
@@krane15 lmfao, Manuals are dead, Even Porsche still make Manual cars. Get back in your hair dressers car you big fairy.
great review
Love this TypeR but got to ask who is it now aimed at? Hot hatches are by definition affordable cars (£47k is way outside affordable to most people), hyper hatches are by definition posh (think AMG, Audi RS etc), so is it trackday drivers? If so wouldn't a modded Clio RS or an M2 or a GR Yaris be a better trackday car? Or is it the well healed Honda fan who grew up with an EP3? Can see why they are saying limited numbers.
Well, I can only talk for myself but of course it’s aimed at real Honda fans. Drove nothing but Honda’s since I obtained my drivers license. As my income grew they got more expensive. Last 2 cars were S2000 and a FK-8. And Wednesday I’m picking up my new FL-5 🎉
They're aimed at anyone with a passion for driving dynamics and good reliable engineering.
I really hope to try a type R one day to see how enjoyable is. The other hot hatches l've tried are comfortable and quick in the 0-100... definitely not much enjoyable to drive
very nice review
No wonder second hand car values are increasing. Most people will never be able to afford a new car, it’s just too far out of reach!
Huh? Don't shop around $50K cars, and cars won't be out of reach. Plenty of cheap Toyota's, Hyundai's, Honda's, Nissan's etc...you can get a car in the low to mid 20's with decent spec no problem.