GR Corolla vs Type-R vs Golf R - Remember Hot Hatches? | Everyday Driver
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- In the midst of the car market’s obsession with SUVs and electrification, the GR Corolla, Type-R, and Golf R continue, and show us why Hot Hatchbacks have always been the best do-it-all for car lovers. We take these three highly sought after hatches and push them down a tight canyon road in search of a favorite.
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00:00 - 2:43 - Remember Hatchbacks?
2:43 - 5:13 VW knows hot hatchbacks
5:13 - 8:00 The Legendary Type-R
8:00 - 11:39 Toyota’s Solo Project
11:39 - 17:40 Perfect Honda FWD handling
17:40 - 21:44 VW handling for all conditions
21:44 - 26:57 Picking from Toyota’s handling modes
26:57 - 28:10 The Plague of Mark Up
28:10 - 31:37 Where your money goes
31:37 - Conclusions and favorites
M2/Supra - 8:09
Corolla XSE - 8:27
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People left this market because they can't afford it.
Yep, I was just in the market a few weeks ago and all of these are either impossible to find or marked up more than they are worth - I ended up going with a spec’d out Mazda 3 turbo hatch. A “warm” hatch I suppose
@@realjaklap i would've looked at some older hot hatches.. one of the ST's or a MS3.. The new mazda3 isnt as good as a handler as they went from an independent rearend to a torsion beam to save money..
So true. Golf R new and Corolla are going for 55k+
@@dre32pitt amenities took priority over raw numbers for me and the new 3 has everything there. Never had an AWD car or a car over 150 HP; torsion beam or not, the car has been a blast for me in the mountains!
What a joke! They sell like hotcakes, even at markup.
Remember when cars like this used to be affordable?
The Civic Type R never existed in our market. Nor the GR. They did add 5k to the VW this past year. But in large, this kind of performance has never been 'affordable'. And affordable still exists one rung down with the Civic Si, the GR86 and the GTI. I don't think it's fair to complain about the MSRP's but they definitely aren't building enough of these cars!
yea that was eons ago
Yes, back when pickup trucks cost less than cars.
@@hallkbrdz RIGHT...!!
Now you have to pay a premium for that hollow empty box in the back
Not exactly that was always more Civic SI, Corolla XRS and GTI
The dealer mark ups are really ruining it for a lot of ppl. I can afford to buy one but I absolutely refuse to pay +55k for a Civic Type R. Smh
It's already sold out and has a waiting list anyway. It doesn't need you. 😅
Good for you
DJ MotoVlogs: Same boat. It's the principle of it for me. Can I afford it? Sure. But I just refuse to pay that much for an upgraded Civic.
I agree at 50 - 60K I could get an Audi S4, Acura TLX Type S, the whole of point of these cars was supposed to be sport cars at a decent price point, with the added markup I'd rather just spend a little more and get a legit sports luxury.
@@ytsux9259stupid reply
Manufacturers: "This car is selling as fast as we can make them."
Also manufacturers: "Let's limit the amount of our very popular model just because."
Manufactured market scarcity can always keep the price high and make the product seem more desirable. For me, I can't justify what these companies deem as an acceptable price for these cars. It's hilarious.
I guess these hot hatches's profit rates are not that high.
Best comparison of these 3 cars by far :)
Well done folks, would like to see you guys grow to be a bigger channel !
love the summary at the end
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The prices of these pushed me into the arms of a Camaro SS 1LE.
Different animal, but great driving experience.
Neighborhood kids love hearing the obnoxious exhaust, too!
You got a great car!
These hot hatches are fun, but the 1LE is on a different level of performance. for the money it's an easy choice
So ugly though
Shift Motorsports: I've been seriously looking at the SS as well. The value you get, when compared to these overprices hatchbacks is ridiculous. Performance-wise, the SS is almost on par with the Supra, but thousands less expensive.
@tizodd6 You get a lot of car for the money. It's a great canyon carver and track car. Only problem is keeping the speed under an arrest-able number
As a Golf R owner, I also factored in how much the car settles down and becomes comfortable in comfort mode with the adjustable shocks- essentially gives you the dynamics of two vehicles in one. After working stressful 12-16 hour shifts, sometimes you just want the car to take care of you when it's not lighting your hair on fire. The AWD was also very important for my geographic location (untreated icy roads with hills)
what year golf R do you own? I wanted a 2023 Golf R, but all the dealerships had a 15k-17k mark up on them...a 63k Golf R? no way
@@theday2learn I have an immaculate '19, last year of the mk7.5. I don't like any of the changes that were made to the mk8
I agree. I have the mk8 R also and had lots of city miles today through town. I kept switching back to Eco mode to soften everything and make it as comfy as possible. But with a push of a button it can change its personality and be way more playful in ways that my FWD VR6's never could.
Same for me. My mk8 is a great car
the accountants choice
The missing engine cover is because they were recalled for coming loose and potentially causing a fire. thought they would of had plastic covers figured out by now lol
I've always removed the covers on my vehicles because I don't want them trapping any amount of heat.
@@jeremyb4493 actually that’s why the covers are there. It helps with dispersing the heat better believe it or not. They aren’t just for hiding wiring.
@@phattyhales yea and they are there for noise reduction as well
Definitely Motortrend TV stuff, but glad it is a YT video and not hampered by the 21 minutes, whatever seconds and 12 frames. Very thorough and enjoyable video. Thanks.
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BEAUTIFUL cinematography & an excellent in-depth look at these cars. well done fellas!
Can confirm the crazy markups. Went into my local Honda in SF to try and order the FL5 Type R and they quoted $64,999 before tax, title, and registration ($20k markup over MSRP). Had the exact same experience with the FK8. After I failed to get an FK8, I traded my Accord for a Golf R (Got one for $3k UNDER MSRP from Mission Bay VW) and since then bought/sold 3 other new cars from VW. The Type R was my dream car since I was young but the dealer experience killed my interest and my loyalty to the brand.
Went to go look at what seemed to be the only mk8 Golf R in Chicago last year and it was also $20k over MSRP...which was also exactly how much they would give me for my Mk7 GTI as a trade in. Ridiculous
I love hot hatches. Sadly, it's really only possible to buy a hatch nowadays. Maybe a comparison of the more "basic" hatch models? Like the Civic sport and GTI? Still fun for most at a more reasonable price.
That is a great call out. It would be cool to see someone compare the cheaper versions of these.
We drove the GTI vs the Current Civic SI for a video last year. Thanks for watching!
@@EverydayDriver plenty of markup on both GTI and SI, too 😢. Had to shop around for months to eventually get my GTI without markup. Base S trim in 6MT. Roughly in line pricing with the SI.
Si being limited to a sedan rules out the perks of a hatch, and Toyota... well, we can tell that there's no inbetween the XSE and GR, and they're leagues apart.
Sadly the still-pricey Integra is as close to a hot-hatch as Honda Corporation is giving us, and it's still the same problem I have with the Mazda3, Corolla, and Civic: they're basically fastbacks. The GTi is a proper squared off shape without the roof cascading down on bulky items. Apart from that and a Mini Clubman (a regular Mini really seems too small inside for much practicality in that regard), that's the problem with hatches these days.
This comment doesn’t make any sense. A GTI is a hot hatch lol
This is a solid comparison! Thanks for the detailed commentary.
32k for an sti in 2004 is 47k today. The difference to me is that when usdm evo and sti came out they were almost as fast as contemporary sports cars. These cars arnt a whole lot faster 20 years later
And wages haven't really increased meaningfully for a very long time.
It depends a lot on what you mean by "faster". If you go and look at C&D's lightning laps chart, you'll find that the FL5 CTR laps VIR faster than cars like 911 S (2013), F-Type R (2021) and M2 Competition (2019), amongst many others...which I feel still qualifies that it's almost as fast (and indeed, faster) than many contemporary sports cars.
CTR is the closest but also the highest priced in practice. LL interpretation is tricky, it gets faster every year for similar cars. Tires are getting better but I think they are just getting better drivers as well. Their ctr was on cup 2s, maybe actually one of the slowest car to get cup 2s. The difference in lap time between a 2003 evo and say a 2003 vette or 2003 911 is smaller than the difference between the lap time for a ctr and say a 2023 911 or vette. Maybe its just that sports cars were particularly bad in the early aughts.
I guess also, a 2003 evo or sti on cup2s wouldnt be much slower than a ctr. That is my opinion of course without internet racing data to prove
I love the comparisons and honesty that goes into these reviews. Sometimes it goes beyond spec sheet and it's about the feeling of driving the car
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@@EverydayDriver your welcome. I love your videos. I love driving as well. I currently drive nd2 Miata, but have owned a ta 392 challenger, 15 wrx (terrible car), 11 wrx (amazing car). My wife gives me shit for only getting manuals, but I can't help it.
YALL MAKE THE BEST CAR CONTENT COMPARISONS!!!! LOVE IT!!!! subbed for years and ya'll make amazing content! keep up the amazing work! LOVE THE HONEST AND REAL REVIEW
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Great video guys I finally understood the hype behind the GR. Underrated channel and video!!
Finally! This is what I've been looking for! Thanks guys👍. GR Corolla All Day Everyday!!!
Great video! Might be one of the best comparison videos I’ve seen so far! Thank you!
Solid comparison video, well edited with quality transitions between topics. Subscribed!
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Todd and Paul - please never stop with your analogies.
Glad they work for you! Thanks for watching!
Your choice for back ground music was excellent throughout the video. The Honda track you guys used at 29:00 gave me Gran Turismo 1 Dealer BGM vibes.
Good stuff as usual. One of the best this year. Thanks Guy's.
Wow, incredible video guys! Love that you tell a story with a car comparison!
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Hi, from Japan!! What a great editing film. Beautiful!! Especially, I love musics you put into the film. All three cars are definitely great and fun. These cars must make Everyday Driver enthusiasts smile. I think we can say these three are almost at same level but slightly different flavors they have. It depends on you which one you pick. Because of design. Because of running flavor. Because of car brand. There would be no mistake on these three whatever you pick.
I owned a Mazda Demio in Japan and wished I could have brought it to the states! I want the VW but Mazda makes sense.
@@kblack3970 Thanks for the reply!! Yes, I think Mazda2(Demio)is a good car. Tiny, but usable and fun to drive. Maintenance cost is low, too. You have a good car. I’m glad to talk with an Everyday Driver person in Japan!!
The one thing I always come back to for the Golf R is its stealth. I love that my Golf R doesn't look any different from a dull base Golf on the road. That doesn't make it drive faster or better, but it does help me avoid undesired attention. :)
Couldn't agree me. I love my black Golf 7 R for how it goes under the radar as much as it handles and performs. At 57 years of age my boy racer popping exhaust days are behind me now (they were fun though!).😂😂
Love my 7.5R for same reasons. But massively prefer my GR Yaris for driving fun.
This is a fantastic comparison!
Best comment in the video about the GTI "it's like a butler in a race suite"
Fantastic review, Great work guys!!
Super informative video and a really great job of adding nuanced driving and potential ownership opinions missed in other reviews. Lucky enough to have a GR Corolla in the garage, hope to swap keys with a TypeR owner - what a total package. I never thought I would be back in a Toyota after a string of German cars, but wow I had to support the tremendous engineering work GR and Toyota are offering.
The current GolfR feels like a miss vs older generations, but don't count VW out... they'll be back
They can pry my Golf R from my cold dirty hands! Mad respect ya'll showcased these!
What year golf r? (I've got a 2018)
Bravo!!! What a spectacular review. Best one yet. I'm on the waiting list for a GR Circuit edition. 1st in line at my local dealer.
i had a corolla 1992, i had it till last year and quality and driving exprience with that car was really amazing, i can feel how enjoyable can be this new gr corolla
It's amazing that the tiny 3 cylinder engine in the GR Corolla makes the exact hp and torque numbers as an early 90's Nissan 300zx v6 twin turbo.
I enjoyed this video! Nicely done. I wish I could get my hands on an FL5 Civic Type R at MSRP. For now I will keep enjoying my FK8.
Same! I love the way the FL5 looks and I love how it is more practical and has more space. But since the mark up is so ridiculous now I will keep enjoying my FK8.
Such a great comparison and video - I really enjoyed this one !
Excellent choice of cars... The review. Well done and v. informative ...Thank you.
Great review! I’m surprised you guys didn’t mention one of the most endearing, amazing and downright necessary parts of the GR Corolla. The mechanical handbrake. It adds another level of fun that the other two cars can’t access. In the snow, in the wet, in the gravel and in the dry if your mad. Kudos to Toyota for including that even though the new Corollas went to the dark side. I think electronic parking brakes should be illegal.
This is a great comparison and the overall video production was excellent! Been watching you guys for years and they just keep getting better.
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Awesome vid guys. You guys and Chance have outdone yourselves once again.
I love this video and you guys make so much sense in what you say....Thank you for being honest. I agree with everything you said!!
I love all three but with there markup I might as well get an M2. Speaking from experience they wanted 50k for a Corolla GR!!no way I got a 2019 m2 with 28k miles for 50k no regrets happy 😊
bit unfair to compare a used car with a new one tho.
Considering how overweight and ugly the new 2023 M2 is, your (great looking) car may actually go UP in value @enrique!.😂👍
I used to have an M2 OG and it burned in a wildfire. I couldn’t replace it and bought a ‘21 Type R on a whim. The M2 is a much more fun car and I was thinking of swapping back but I hesitate because of future repair and maintenance costs. I know that’s priced in a little in the used market but it worries me when the price of the Civic Type R is the same as the M2 it makes me wonder.
I agree picked up a 19 Audi RS3 for 52k
I was going to buy an Acura tlx type s but mark up was crazy! So glad I didn’t the performance of that 5 cylinder Audi is something special 400hp out the box muah 😘 perfect!
Almost did this very same thing but found a 7.5 golf r that was perfect. It’s fast enough to hang with just about anything from a stop but I do wish it could slide a little. Congrats on your purchase.
Great content as usual, just wondering if you guys could bring some Todd once said "old retired assassin" like Mitsubishi EVO X and WRX STI VAB into the test for GR Corolla, since with current dealership markup averages 5k to 10k on GR Corolla, a lightly used lightly/unmodified EVO X (as a 2015 EVO X owner mine is unmodified except the 2014 Recaro seats I put in @Paul!, and yes you could still find them even today) and WRX STI might fit the bill in terms of the fun equation (according to Tood in the Focus RS reviewed 7 years ago), and for the car enthusiast, buying used is as likely as purchasing new ones. Please do it, guys! - an old viewer from 2015
We actually wanted to bring one of those cars for this video. And we searched. We were unable to find one where the car was close to stock configuration and valid for the comparison. But, thank you for the interest and we appreciate you watching!
I was thinking almost the same thing. I think cars are so expensive today the real value is used. I think the VA WRX also makes a great case for a fun daily. A good one can be found around 25k for those that don't want the harsher ride of the STi which is also at great value around 30k used. I love the AWD sport compact segment and was really excited about the GR Corolla when I heard about it, but immediately moved on when I heard the price (Edit: just looked at a core with performance (both diffs) and cold weather package, it's 37.5k which actually isn't as bad as I thought). Maybe in a few years when the depreciation comes they will be a great value.
@@EverydayDriver Hi Paul and Todd, thanks for your reply! If you ever need a clean unmodified 2015 (except the Seats swap for 2014 Stock Recaro seats that bring back life! @ Paul) Rally Red EVO X GSR only has 36K miles in Northern/Southern California to shoot, I could lend you the car, because I brought mine 15 after seen all three of EVO X (08 GSR, 13 MR, 15 GSR and EVO vs GTR/STI video) I miss the old day when Todd says “I want buy a EVO”lol! I could DM you guys on instagram.
I was thinking much the same. I'd like to finish this video with a base WRX. Sure, you miss 30ish HP. But you also save $10,000. And sure, its not available as a hatch anymore. But how often do you really need to move a washing machine?
I too would love to see an Evo 10 comparison.
Superb analysis! Thank you, gentlemen. Top-notch as always.
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Awesome video and Comparison! Have my name second in line on circuit edition(fingers crossed) but am very up for one of the 3. Did not think the civic was that awesome until i watched this. excellent and very informative video on the 3 rivals!
I'd have to go with the Corolla. It's just so raw and cool. Maybe it's just the rare factor.
I agree. Type R is just looks more like sedan not a hatchback. Golf R is overhyped and overpriced
The GR Corolla is the best msrp, at 37k but I’ve called every dealer in my state, 6 year wait list with a non refundable $1000 deposit. I did find one several states away. But double tax, title, plates times 2 put it out of my budget, so a 23 mk8 gti se came home from my local dealer at msrp.
I would buy a Civic Type R but I have a Hyundai i30N which is so much fun, I can't justify the price increase for the more serious car. You guys hit the nail on it's head! It's all about the fun.
The i30N performance has everything the Golf R has at a fraction of the cost. The only issue is the quality, especially the seats, which on my car are fairly worn after just 2 tears.
I have a Kona N and i 100% agree with you.
I have the previous model CTR, if you have fun with your car do not change it! I do have fun in my Type R which is why I haven't changed it, I know the day I do change it I will regret it and miss it!
i30N is the much better choice than the Civic Type R as a everyday fun hot hatch. I would rather get a i30N with a used Miata than a Civic Type R. You did nothing wrong
@@QuixorionThis sort of copium could only come from i30N owners.
Great review with evocative impressions. Total fun to watdh.
Great video! I drove my GR Corolla in those roads and what a blast 🔥 what a car for twisty roads 😮💨 so fun!
Right now, in Germany, you can go and buy a brand new Type R. They have it in stock. For 69900 euros, that's 76300 USD or 102700 Canadian dollars. Crazy.
Excellent, thanks guys. Very nice cinematography (as always)!
I'm a bit sad that the Renault Megane RS is no longer existing. That would have been an great contender for the Type R. It has been killed by CO2 Taxes.
We’ve driven the Megane a few times on trips to Europe. We wish the would have sold them here!
Totally agree! Have had two Megane RS's including a Megane RS 250 Cup and just traded it for the Megane RS 280 Cup which is just immense....Sad to see hot hatches go and the latest crop are so over priced. The Type R which is just stellar but well over £40K and forget finding a GR Corolla at a sensible price and with the i30n on the way out and electrifcation on the way in, it is not looking good.
Great video! Thanks for making it.
Amazing comparison as always, you guys deserve way more views! Convinced me to get my Fiesta ST!
Fiesta STs are amazingly fun cars. Thanks for watching!
I bought a used GS F for the price that these are selling for new. Couldn't be happier other than the lack of a manual transmission.
As an owner of a gs350 you have my dream car
@@AXELBONNAIRE I've owned 4 other Lexus sedans in the past. The GS F is by far the most fun packaged into an everyday sedan I've ever owned. I absolutely love it. Make sure you somehow pick up a used one. I promise you won't regret it...... unless you try to drive it in the snow like I did. It's worthless in the snow as to be expected.
I’d take the civic R it looks the best and drives great
Love this video so much! The amount of information you provide and the jokes are really well done!!!
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I ended up buying a Type R and I love it. Lotus and the GR Corolla are also in my sights when I decide to upgrade my Type S and MDX respectively...
What a great video, guys; those roads you were driving on were fantastic!
If I had to have only one car, I still think I'd gravitate to something the the GR86, but that's because I find I prefer rear wheel drive. If I was just picking between these 3 here, I would probably agree with both Todd and Paul and choose the GR Corolla. At least in that I'd have the option to make the AWD system rear wheel drive biased. And if, as these two are saying, it's the most outright playful in demeanor, I think that's what I'd gravitate towards. Of course, I say this not having driven (or even seen) any of these cars personally.
I was considering a gr86 for a long time (even test drove one and LOVED it) but ultimately I went with a mk7.5 Golf R due to my hopes of moving back to my home state of Wisconsin and not wanting to have only rwd in the winters
@@timhahn7358 I won't disagree with your decision. I bought the GR86 and did not test drive the MK7.5 or MK8 GTI and I regret it. The GR86 is definitely a fun car but for daily city driving sucks especially driving it in the winter (used Blizzak's WS90). I kept looking at the MK7.5/8 GTI as the best middle ground, AWD, more than enough power, good interior space, and better mileage.
Definitely my 3 favorite modern cars available but i just cant be a part of the mark up game. I ended up getting the WRX, which should be offered in a hatch. But aside from no hatch its been perfect all in one enthusiast car and got it under msrp on last day of the month
What I like the most about this video is the production quality. ❤
You all know how to produce a quality content. 🎊 🎉
I'm glad you all stuck around with this channel. ❤😊
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@@EverydayDriver Agreed.
Your efforts and creativity is of personal pride. That's a reward alone.
Men, you were driving those cars quickly! 😂 well done, great review - amazing production quality as expected
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Man, so good ! What a great review and the surprise GR Corolla . Pricing does suck.
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Hyundai N cars and the GTI are the last affordable Hot Hatches in the states.
New, yes.. Go used my friend.. Just get a PPI and rest easy..
@@dre32pitt yes as far as new cars go. I bought a VN last year and love it.
@@44actual Hopefully you didnt pay any mark-up.
@@dre32pitt MSRP. Saw it online one day and picked it up the next.
@@44actual nice!
The comparison I’ve been waiting for
Awesome review! Makes me feel better about my GRC coming in later this month
Great work! Such amazing options, but IMO The Civic wins it for me, ultimate utility and sportiness in one package!
Golf R with DSG and APR Plus tune is my choice all day. But I’m 35 and can’t see myself in a civic or Corolla. Maybe if I was 25 still… but couldn’t afford any at that age.
I'm 49 and got a full spec GR Core and don't regret it.
This is the way
@volkswagenhawk7094 6mt or go home.
Exactly why I got the GR. Wonderful compare!
Great vid guys, epic editing Todd
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed. Some excellent edit work here from Chance as well.
I totally agree about the corolla gr. I bought mine in January and I don’t regret it at all, even with the markup. Its a vary fun car, could use a bit more cargo space but it’s alright. And all the so called nannies turned on its a great commuter, then it can go right back to putting down the fun when not in traffic.
Lemme be your driver
How’s it on gas?
Great review - and I think that my take is that the traditional hot hatch is dead. As the average car now costs $50K, these models are actually a lot of car for the money. These cars each offer something different that can appeal to a wide audience of drivers. As a 2022 Golf R owner I have no interest in the GR Corolla, but am curious about the Type-R, my take from the test is that I bought the best car for my needs and I have been delighted with my car. The spec.and performance of the Golf R is amazing and I enjoy the tech. A similarly equipped S3 would cost approx. $10K more and lack the new AWD system fitted to the R and the RS 3. As both testers pointed out the engineers of each company put a lot of work into each model and what you have is a truly high performance cars that appeal to a wide audience. I like each of them, but would always go with the Golf R for my own personal reasons!
I liked this video before watching it, because I know these guys always make good content.
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Great video. Each of these cars have mark ups and are over 50k in SoCal. I absolutely love my Manual Veloster N. For $33.7k it’s an amazing car and happy to drive it. It’s everything I love in a hot hatch. Affordable, practical and gives you everything you need. Ridiculously great exhaust tone, multiple personalities can be calm and can be so fun and crazy.
Great review, Just put a deposit down on the new FL5 Type R! I expect it soon
How much
@@tr1ckster726 53otd with shipping from the east cost to the west. I knew a few people I pulled strings on.
would be thrilled to have any of these vehicles as my new daily but not paying $40-50k for them. subaru dealer near me has a half dozen WRX's you can pickup same day below sticker at sub 30k. they're probably getting my money.
I love that these cars exist! Great review
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Mate love this vid. Here in Australia we dont pay mark up but do wait fow a long time. My CW FL5 do to arrive Q1 2024. Exactly what the video said, choosed it because of its godly 6mt transmission. And just IMO out of the 3 it looks best. Keep up the goor work
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I've owned a 2019 MK7.5 Golf R DSG and a 2019 Civic Type R. I would pass on the Toyota but it would be a difficult decision between the Golf and Civic. I would lean towards the Civic. It's more desirable and holds it's resale better.
You forgot to mention the Golf is also best suited for the cross country. Try that with the Civic or the Corolla and you'll be vibrating for a day after you've reached your destination.
They did say that. It’s the best for actually commuting and sitting in traffic. I have a minivan or a pickup for that. I find every reason I can find to drive the GRC. I put propane tanks in the kids car seats last night for an excuse to rip.
@@dogshmog I get it but i feel like the point of these cars is exactly because they can be the one to do it all kind of vehicle. Personally if i already had comfortable daily drivers, i wouldn't even be looking at this class of car. Probably would be in some miata which would run circles around these for drivers enjoyment.
@@nobleman-swerve yes exactly. Could buy 2 slightly used cars that did there intended jobs better. I bought a new 2018 accord sport Manuel for 23,800 new then a loaded New Rf gt in 2019 for 31,000. Buy these used now and you would be happy .
Thanks for giving such a comprehensive review of these vehicles, especially because of scarcity. I really feel like I have gotten to test drive each of them. You guys have nailed that sensation. Wild card though here, have you thought about creating 360° stereoscopic videos for viewers with VR to try? Your test drive shorts would reset the bar higher.
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Enjoyed the review!
I drove the previous gen type R and liked it but, saw the corolla and was not impressed..... However after driving it everything chage. It's fun at slow and high speeds. Like a go cart with a/c 😂 nimble and predictable. Now is my daily 😂 fully spec Core edition
I really wish the US got the hatch version of the Elantra N. That would’ve been the one for me
Yeah then the engine blows up after 20k miles and Hyundai fights to not cover it.
@@griffinfairchild you mean the one that had FBO, upgraded turbo, ECU/TCU tune that the Hyundai tech owner lied about being stock? Yeah, that guy gave up when he realized he wasn't fooling Hyundai and just bought a new one.
We kind of did already with the Veloster N lol, which they cancelled for the Kona N (dear god). But yeah ikr, i30n would be sick to have over here!
Great video! I’d go with the GR Corolla not just for the looks, AWD & power but very much for the reliability. I’ve got a Lexus RC F & I pound on it w/o issue.
100% agree with the CTR assessment. Owned one for four years. Loved driving it, tracking it (on cool days), etc. But something was missing. And that something was giggle-inducing fun. It's FWD driving perfection, but it rarely made me laugh out loud. I now have a new non-1LE Camaro 1SS. I laugh often. And get around a track faster, especially on a warm day. Impractical and hard to see out of in some ways, but holy hell is it fun.
All of these cars should be about 6k cheaper. The CPI inflation states 40k today has the same buying power as 34k pre covid march 2020.
The manufacturers need $$$ to make crappy EVs.
Actually by this measure, the VW isn't too bad. 2019, the last model year that the Mk7 Golf R was sold you could climb into one for a now inflation adjusted ~$49.5k. Given the ~$44.7k MSRP of the 2023 R, VW is pricing well below current inflation rates. Type R on the other hand (also baselining 2019) would be ~$44.5k in today's dollars compared to an actual 2023 MSRP of ~$44.7k. So you're being screwed there a bit more, but no worse than just about everything else nowadays.
Besides in my eyes, the biggest issue isn't inflation, it's the obscene dealer markups.
Just checked out a gr going for 15k over ticket like 30 minutes ago lol look so sick in person tho way better than the photos/vids
cant imagine what the morizo would go for
Sat in this new type R at the Chicago Auto Show and the interior is basically perfect. Simple, straightforward, & covered in nice quality materials/red suede/red carpet etc. It has great seats, great gauges/infotainment, real hvac buttons and nothing more.
And I can admit all that as a die hard GM/Vette/Camaro/Cadillac guy.👍
Excellent video as always gentleman!
Glad you enjoyed. Thanks for watching!
It’s been more than 20 years since TOYOTA did something special, and coming from a line of BMWs i must say well done TOYOTA, I actually own a Yaris GR rally now😁😁
I called every dealership in California and only found one that is willing to sell at msrp. I’m first on the list for a circuit and hope it shows up soon!
there should be more than 1 dealership in CA that's msrp
@@jonathanchan5667. Agreed but what can we do? I think it would be even harder to get if it was all sold at msrp.
I finally got the call this week. Glad it is a 2024 Circuit with the Morizo wheels!
6:10 Ich fahre diesen FK 8 . Und ich muß sagen . Nie hat mich ein Voderradantrieb derart begeistert . Ein wunderbare strammer , radikal Zug an der Vordachse . Eine Herrlichkeit wie das ans Lenkrad geht . Und die Spur steht . Genau genommen steht sie immer so , wie ich es haben will . ich bin sehr sehr glücklich mit diesem Auto .
I chose the WRX, not paying above msrp for any of these.
Great video & review, I could watch you guys all day, but these prices are absolutely redonkulous for what they are. For less than any of these MSRP's, I can be in a very good condition low-mileage 500Hp torque-monster C6 Z06, and when you add in the crazy mark-ups, you can easily be in a Cayman S dot 2 with insurance money to spare.
Totally agree here! Would prefer a slightly used vehicle with an extended warranty. I could get an M2, Cayman, and I love the Kia Stinger also!
Well done stories, video looks excellent. New lens ? New camera ?
Chastity belt for a car! Velcro'd to the earth! A butler in a race suit!
I love how Paul and Todd turn a phrase.
The longest wheelbase car is the lightest... I know what you guys are feeling. I have an RX-8 and a 300zx. The RX-8 is 200 lb lighter but has a longer wheelbase. Directly off center, when you first start to make the car change direction, the RX-8 feels the most nimble, because it has the least resistance to changing it's direction of motion. But paradoxically, on a switchback, the 300zx feels more nimble, because you've brought the speed down a bit so the momentum trying to keep you moving in the same direction is lessened. This means the dominant factor affecting a sense of nimbleness becomes the rotation of the car; its willingness - not to change the direction in which it is moving - but the direction in which it is pointing. And the shorter wheelbase 300zx feels substantially more nimble in aggressive, tight corners.
Does it still have HICAS?
Imagine posting a review of two completely different cars in a video about three specific hot hatches
Loved the review, but implying auto-tempest is the solution to dealer markup is just laughable.
I just remember the Evo's doing all this back in late 90's and 2000's and how the AWD FWD systems/tires just keep getting a bit better year by year.... would be interesting to bring in a late model Evo to compare to all the systems
Haven't test drove a Civic Type R, but after test driving the GR Corolla and the Golf R, I opted going for the Golf R and bought that over the GR Corolla. The GR was fun, but at the same time I wanted something more refined, as well as with more tech and comfort features that the Golf R has.
Thank you guys for having it in manual.
I'd honestly not buy a "fun" car if it wasn't that. Sad there is no market for them.
The corolla and civic only come in manual..