Year and a half ago bought a WRX premium for just under $32K. The jittery ride and peaky motor of the old WRX were gone, heated seats, linear throttle response sold me. But I'm 73, no longer a boy racer, just an old guy who appreciates decent handling, enough power, and a manual.
Yeah I actually LIKE the WRX. I even like how it looks. And the icing on the cake is that you can actually buy a WRX for below sticker. I recently saw one that was running on slightly lower ride height (about .5 - 1.0" all around) and a custom quad exhaust and it looked fantastic. Don't get me wrong, I love the GR Corolla and if up to me, I'd take a GR Corolla Circuit just out of sheer charm, but the WRX still has a place here!
I bought my 2022 WRX premium last July. Just crossed 22k miles on Tuesday. I can’t stop driving it. Just waiting another 13k miles before the real fun begins
I drove the GR Corolla for a day. It was very impressive, it gripped, took turns really quick. Its the best AWD car I have ever driven. However, it also made me discover that I'm more of a RWD purist and enjoy the communication and scalpel dynamics of the MX5 and 86 more.
@@tyhyhhjust because you heard online that the diff overheats after heavy track use doesn’t mean it’s “kinda ass”. Per this video, it seems to drive great
I'm working with a dealer to place an order on the ND3 Club MX5 with the BBS package. Looking forward to the new fir 2024 improved steering rack and two-way limited slip differential.
@@Flatsixfiesta I know im in the minority saying this but I have more fun in my VB than the 2nd gen BRZ. Idk if the 86 drives much differently but the numb cluch engagement and throttle response wasnt the best when i test drove it
Hi, from Japan!! And thank you for picking two Japanese cars. I think both cars are good and fun. However, Toyota makes more hustle and fun cars recently. On the contrary, Subaru makes more gentle and safety cars recently. I feel same ways on GR86 and BRZ. GR86 is more exciting. BRZ is more gentle.
This site has an extensive history with the FT86 twins in both generations and they are fans of those cars. This review is aimed at cars with a different market segment.
@@ElleesD-95 The oil pressure issue mainly pertains to cars taken to a race track, especially with high grip racing-type tires. There are track users engaged in looking for an aftermarket remedy for the oil pressure issue. www.youtube.com/@900BRZ Regarding the issue with the sealant Subaru uses being overapplied and collecting in the pan, there is still not a clear answer to whether that is a real problem. Doesn't seem good to me, but it doesn't seem to be associated with any engine failures so far.
I have a GR premium package. And I prefer it over the circuit. I didn’t want the wing because I was going to get an aftermarket WRC wing, which is now on my GR. People know it’s something special and that is just such a cool feeling. I cannot emphasize how many looks and turning heads I get just driving this thing. Some People that don’t know it’s a performance car think I modded an XSE but they say it’s modified really well. Its just such a cool little car and it just scoots
@myredpyramidthing it is a nice vehicle. It's just that in Canada the base is $50k, while I paid $39k for my wrx limited. And even though the wrx interior is not luxury by any means, it far exceeds that of the base grc for a significantly cheaper price tag. Toyota really needs to up the ante in that department.
I love the format and presentation of these reviews. It's amazing how the aesthetic and composition has remained very familiar after all these years. In a time when a lot of visual media has evolved to rely on faster cuts, loud music, jarring effects to maintain attention, seeing these videos in contrast invokes a feeling of nostalgia and better times. Hope you guys keep doing what you're doing for years to come!
Thank you for saying this and for connecting with what we do. We were one of the very first on RUclips, and we're not going anywhere. Glad to have you watching!
Own a 22 WRX. For a dad family of four, man that thing is the funnest car I’ve owned. And you can drive it the same all year long (live in northern New York)
As an evo 9 owner, we just bought a GR Corolla for my pregnant wife. She LOVES it. Seats are comfortable. We traded in our Bronco 4Dr hardtop manual. We also have two dogs and some ppl will say we are crazy to downsize but we don’t care lol we knew the GRC is something special, hell I feel like it’s a newer evo 9! We are happy with ours. It’s so fun!
I completely agree. Having owned an Evo 8 and a 2005 STi, the GRC is more like the Evo than the STi. Oddly most people compare the GRC to the STi 🤷🏻♂️
Agreed! I traded in my Evo 8 for a 9 MR and hated the MR's 6 speed. The GR's shifter is closer to the 8 5 speed which I loved. The GR has sharp steering and a much better interior) It is the softer Evo that I need now that I'm an old fart.
I’ve always owned $80k-$100k M3&M4’s, a hellcat and so on. I sold my most recent challenger hellcat and M4 and daily a 2016 Ram 2500. Been itching for a new car so looked at M3 with awd. Saw a GRC Circuit Ed. In a Best Buy parking lot and started my research, 2 days and 20 dealerships later I drove my New 2024 GRC Circuit Ed. Off the lot, it is the best car I’ve ever driven, I feel so connected to the car and the road. I couldn’t be happier and will never ever sell it. I knew it was gonna be good but really had no idea it just how good it is! Also, it’s my first Toyota and after only 5 days, I’m a loyalist! I had better service and treatment at the Toyota dealer than I ever have at a BMW and my wife’s Range Rover dealership! Thank you Toyota for making the perfect car!
I had a Lexus RCF for almost 9 years, highly modded with high end coilovers and bolt ons, it wasn’t a slouch by any means. Then I saw the Toyota GR up close and personal (the owner gave me a full tour). I couldn’t get it off my mind, literally 4 days later I was trading my Lexus for the GR Corolla circuit edition. Driving it has me all smiles, and the car from every single angle is gorgeous. I often find myself going to the garage just to admire it. The car is such a thrill to drive so nimble and light footed with an eagerness to be driven. The GR Corolla is the first car I have owned right out the box that has me quite satisfied. With my Lexus and previous Mercedes AMG there was always something I felt they lacked from factory and hence all the mods l would do to the cars. With the GR it’s so perfect, I’m just so satisfied with it stock. Can’t wait for the break in period to be over so I can extract the most out of that engine. I totally agree with everything you said about your experience, truly a phenomenal car! All those who say it’s just a Corolla are totally clueless, even the interior is very agreeable to me. I don’t in anyway feel like I have downgraded
Nailed the summary in my opinion. I absolutely love both vehicles, and own the 22 WRX Limited 6spd. I got mine new for $34k and have loved every one of the 20k miles I've put on it so far. Got a chance to drive the GR Corolla and don't have any trouble admitting it is sharper and a better performer. But... I have a 30 mile commute to work each way and have three boys. The GR Corolla is the car I want, but it would be such a compromise for what I need it to do. Love them both. Glad they're both available.
I brought into my rally red 2015 EVO X GSR right out of college thanks to Todd’s advice back in 2016. I still have that car and would never get rid of it. It is quite amazing after I put on some sticky 245 tires on my EVO X it still out handles the 265 FL5 Type R on the backroad. This review further makes me want to test drive a GR Corolla. It is known (according to Best Motoring in Japan) there some real Mitsubishi engineers that left Mitsubishi after the EVO X project to develop the GR Corolla.❤
GR Corolla definitely feels like a spiritual successor to the Evo X. I might move over from mine when the prices of the GR drop, I just can’t justify paying the ~20k difference in my market
WRX for me. Got new ‘23 Premium earlier this year for $31K. Shifter is easily improved w/ a few small parts (shifter stop/guide and STI pitch stop, transmission mount & shift bushings). Add Cobb AP, custom tune & intake to add 80+ whp & 120 ft-lb for ~$1300. Catback exhaust, 1” drop springs, 20mm wheel spacers, EBC brake pads & fluid, window tint and a few other small mods and I feel it’s a great bang for buck.
❤ such a good summary and comparison of both vehicles, if the car seats fit in the back of the GR Corolla I totally would’ve gone that route. Although the $9000 price difference would’ve given me pause. Loving the WRX for now!
It's hard to get the specialness difference between the two without driving them close together. I was stunned when I did and the GR was the clear winner (coming from a Fiesta ST, B-13 Sentra SE-R, and a Datsun 510). Rowdy shitboxes are my happy place.
I wish Subi made a true rally WRX due to the existing ride height. Just put some cool chunky/sport tires/wheels to nod to its current ride height and RALLY nature. Jesus. Everyone loves adventure motos and outdorsey fun. This car needs that. Toss on some great name brand shocks like what GM and Toyota are doing. LIKE THAT!
Fair review of both vehicles, direct injection only on the wrx sent me looking in a different direction. I’m a guy that has been driving wrx since 2006 when I purchased a 2005 Saab 92x aero. Still have a really nice 2002 wrx sedan that I only drive on nice weather days and no salted roads. Purchased an Is300 awd instead of a new wrx last month.
I'm really nostalgic for cars that have spartan, low-rent interiors. Cheap, low quality interiors give me a better feeling like I can USE the car. There's a charm to vehicles that do the dynamics part inherently well, but leave the interior space to the driver to be as tidy or as messy, as cared for or lived in, as they choose to make it. If I were well off and young in 2004, I would have bought an Impreza STi. If I were young today, I'd have that Corolla. They exist in the same space for me, personally.
Like any enthusiast car. People will tune them and throw bolt ons them. I think that’s a given personally. The WRX FA24 comes alive with an intake and tune.
Another thing people have to take into account about the GR Corolla is they only made so many for the 23’ and 24’ year. It was around 6,500 units so finding one in the color you want is the first challenge, and then in the trim you want. And, finally you can try to get it at, or below MSRP with no markup.
The core or premium might be cheaper, but the circuit just has the looks. The vehicle handles so well, though. It is crazy how planted it feels. I only put a little over 500 miles on my CE right now, and it is a fantastic drive feeling.
It's fine to compare these two, but don't pretend they're in the same price class. In Canada, the WRX Sport (premium) has an MSRP of about 40k. The base Corolla is nearly 50k
Almost traded my 22 WRX Limited for a GR Corolla last month and backed out at the last minute. I couldn’t bring myself to do it. I do prefer hatchbacks and I know the GR is the better enthusiast driver but I guess I’m attached at this point and love the way the WRX looks in person.
I honestly still can't get over the looks and that giant touch screen in the new WRX. That is why I ended up trading my 2019 BRZ for my current 2023 Honda Civic Si. Modified the new WRX looks great, however in stock form it looks like a sports-sedan had a baby with a off-roady crossover. I do think the WRX is definitely the best value for money right now, which is why they are selling really well. That GR Corolla is amazing in every metric. What a machine!
One thing reviewers won't mention is the VB WRX comes from the factory *very* under tuned. A simple OTS with zero mods will make ~310+ HP to all 4 wheels. My 2023 VB WRX with no mechanical mods and a pro tune will absolutely dust even a tuned GR Corolla. I'm hitting 0-60 in like 4.6 seconds...
this is true but you have to understand most reviewers are reviewing a product that is how it came from the factory, how the OEM sold the car, not its tuning potential. So depending on the type of buyer like someone who is an enthusiast, of course you're gonna research which one is better for mods. But when OEMs gives a reviewer a press car, they arent interested in letting someone talking about mods.
@@sshhddoo9892 I get that. Which is why I dropped the comment. People need to understand that the Toyota is high strung out the gate while the subie can safely make 400 HP on pump gas
Great comparison as always guys. I cross-shopped these two as well as the Integra & GTI, and ended up with a WRX for the new daily. Currently own 6 Toyotas, 2 MR2s, Celica, 1st gen Tacoma, FJ Cruiser, and an old 2WD 90 pickup. I wanted the GRC, but went WRX for the interior and trunk space as well as the price. Much nicer place to be, back seat easily fits the rear facing car seat, and huge trunk. A huge rally fan, so it's about time I finally got a proper Subaru with a 6-speed and a turbo to daily.
All these reviewers forget the weight/performance advantage and the stand alone cost that the Forged Carbon Roof on the Circuit represents. Same people used to gush over the E46 M3 CSL, yet somehow this gets forgotten here. Never mind the interior is heaps nicer in the Circuit, Functional hood vents keep temps under better control in the bay area, and the wing just adds to the whole package, especially with the 24 upgrades.
People laughed at Toyota, saying they needed help from Subaru to engineer the 86/BRZ and BMW for Supra. And Yamaha to design engine heads etc. When in actual fact - Toyota could do everything on its own even from 40 years ago.
Its weird in Canada the WRX in the trim you tested is 40K CAD and the bottom GR Corolla trim is 49K. So in Canada almost a 10K difference. Guess I'll wait to pick up the GR used
So I bought the WRX back in October 2022 after putting in a deposit for a GR86. Toyota kept delaying delivery so I decided with winter approaching to go with the WRX instead. My girlfriend was also pleased I went from a "4" seater coupe to a 5 seater sedan. The GTC was basically unobtanium here in my part of Canada. I have yet to actually see one in person. The WRX is exactly what you guys said, a more compliant, family friendly sports car. It's awesome, does exactly what I need it to do. I can fit things in it without issue, haul people, while also taking it on the backroads, dirt roads and have a blast in the winter. Yeah it's a little ugly, but whatever, it's quirky IMO.
that's not what they're talking about, they're talking about the poor handling, even with coilovers on my wife's new VB it handles poorly and that's because it's running Forester and Crosstrek open front diff and open rear diff drivetrain. Subaru really needs to bring back optional STI package that it did in previous models that way we could get front LSD, center DCCD diff, and rear LSD and compete against GR Corolla and Civic Type R.
I currently own both, I bought the GR to replace the WRX but I have found the WRX is the better daily so surprised by that. I ice climb and ski and thought the hatch back would work significantly better in carrying the gear but found the opposite. The Subarus fold down seats create a 5 foot "bed" to carry a set of 190cm skis. The GR cannot even carry the skis with them going through the dash. Plus I paid 5k marked adjust on my premium trim like an idiot. haha
Saw a circuit edition Corolla today and I'd probably trade my WRX for one. A hatchback s just so much more practical, and the GR has a way better designed interior instead of the stupid massive screen that is in the new Subarus. I absolutely HATE the body cladding on the WRX and would have to factor in replacements from Aeroflow dynamics into my purchase price.
Another great vid guys! The wheel cladding on the WRX is gaudy imo, It makes the wheel "openings look ginormous. Todd I know you've had it for awhile but I'm loving the goatee buddy.
I agree that the GR can happily be your daily driver if you are not bothered about the drab cabin. I say this as somebody for whom a V5 STi Type RA was my daily driver for 13 years. The only reason it isnt now is age, and the fact that now you folk in the US can import them they are rocketing in value. Thanks for that 😉 That said, im not keen on the exterior looks (reminds me of a Mazda 3) and i think that does matter. And anyway, cant get either of these in the UK so kind of a moot point.
I own a 2019 STI. I was holding out for the new one. I ended up buying a Morizo and still daily the STI. The lack of STI made Subaru loose all appeal to me.
@@steve8803they've out priced fun cars with safety and tech bs, plus inflation not keeping up with wages. Now we get old boomer cars that will rub your shoulders and turn for you. What a fun world we live in
I drove both and felt claustrophobia in the GR. Also, no adults can ever ride in the back. Can't take skis on your trip either. In Montana, this was a no brainer. The WRX is a much better all around car, and can easily accept mods to beat the GR in an autocross or rallycross event.
I have a GR Yaris. Corolla not available in UK. For an everyday, I’d have a Golf R over the WRX, which seems to be neither comfort/luxurious nor sporty as per rally winner Gen Subarus.
I have a 2015 Toyota Agya. It's also 3 cylinder and the exhaust also gets way too hot. My gas tank gets too hot sometimes. The solution is adding that silver heat insulation around the exhaust. Very cheap and easy fix!
I daily a GRC, and I gotta say if you've only driven on winter tires you can't even begin to draw a comparison. When I'm on winter tires I might as well be driving on marshmallow, when I have my 265 PS4S's it's absolutely glued to the road. I'm not sure how much different the new WRX is to the 2020 I had before, but as far as dynamics go that WRX wasn't even on the same planet as the GRC.
We’ve driven the GR Corolla many times in multiple video comparisons. This was the only time it was on winter tires in a comparison. You might enjoy some of the other match ups. Glad you enjoy yours and thanks for watching!
My problem with the new vehicles and the wrx is major proof is those massive screens that just ruin the interior appeal, the GRC screen is more managable but I do wish it was flush instead of the bump, as for driving the wrx just doesn't feel right to drive anymore, like it feels off compared to previous generations, whereas the GRC just feels like the older wrx used to be
I love my GR Corolla and mostly drive with the rear seats folded flat; in the last few days, I've carried a six foot Willow tree, a five-foot tall and quite large roll of steel fencing and stakes. At 6'6", I'm snug; the seat could go lower (and have a longer seat), the pedals should engage closer to the fire wall, and the steering wheel should telescope further... ...or, my tall ass is too big for this thing lol! Amazing car though, undeniably!
I dunno I have both the only thing really analog about the sti is the gauges. To me they both feel very similar leaning to my sti with the better stick feel but reliability I can sleep better at night with the gr. The fact that the sti or wrx could explode even at stock was a no go..
@ToyotaUSA. @Everydaydriver @Subaru Nice review, thanks. I wish Toyota had the same post-sales and customer service as Subaru. My wrx series white was with me for 133k and was entirely serviced by Subaru dealers. Now, I own a GRC 23. In less than 25k miles my 4 tires became uneven. The brakes don’t respond, at first pedal action, during pouring. And my front rotors are warped, with an estimated replacement cost of $2.7K dollars. Too many issues for a new car. BTW, is this car made in China?😂
Why aren’t there more hatchbacks offered? Are they afraid they’ll leach away sales from suvs? Bring back the hatchback/wagon Subaru, focus, A4, Jetta etc…Not everyone wants a huge suv or cuv. What about those who want a car that fits in their garage, has decent mpg , and doesn’t cost an arm/leg in insurance. Offer them in turbo or hybrid variants with AUTO or “E-CVT. Bring back the affordable fun car!
Bc cuvs are more profitable in the US. they cost about the same to make, but are differientiated enough to sell for several thousand more, which is pure profit. Like the corolla cross
Hatchbacks get *slightly* worse mpg than sedans, so I've always imagined that's the reason some manufacturers avoid making them. For example, the current Mazda3 sedans get better MPG than the hatchbacks, despite both looking pretty sleek.
@@AndelaPandela for sporty vehicles, like the wrx, compared to sedans, hatchbacks also tend to get a bit worse lap times than the same car as a coupe or sedan. C&d blamed the hatchback setup for the 2008 sti's dismal result on the lightning lap. When they tested the 2019 jetta gli, they noted it had also beat the last (2015) golf r they had tested, despite the golf r being the much more powerful, performance car of the brand.
Owned a 2007 WRX TR for many years - did a lot of stuff to it, and it was always fun to drive and hoon around in. The bigger turbo (that I installed) and the hit from the boost threshold was so fun! Very theatrical. Test drove a '23 WRX and it's completely lost all its charm and character. It feels far more like an old Volvo; no drama, no fun, not really good at much. Just a comfortable daily driver. Ended up test driving a '23 GR86 and buying it on the spot.
I traded in my 2014 WRX (the last of the hatchbacks) for a 2023 WRX. I was interested in looking at the GR Corolla but, at the time, I couldn't even find one to test drive. And the Toyota dealers were asking $10k over MSRP. I got my 2023 WRX for a bit under MSRP. Compared to my 2014 WRX, the 2023 WRX has a better suspension, better power delivery, a better shifter (I got the short-throw), and a more comfortable interior. A year on, I have no regrets buying my 2023 WRX.
I drove the WRX, GLI, Elantra N & I would’ve loved to test drive a GR but the were unobtainable at the time but ended up buying a Golf r. I still think about that Elantra N though. It had a real personality unlike all those others.
well the reason Elantra N did better than WRX is because it comes standard with LSD. New WRX has no option for LSD, it only runs open front diff and open rear diff drivetrain from Forester and Crosstrek.
Wow, what an awesome pair of cars, and you reviewed them so well! Your down-to-earth style of presenting them really shows that you know (and care about) your audience. Thank you!
I still want Toyota to put the 3 cylinder into the GR86 for the street (it's already in the racing cars). As a bonus, I have read that it is a bit lighter than the Subaru flat-4.
22 WRX owner here … Subaru of America seems really confused with the cars trim levels. You nailed it, the Premium with the Sunroof/Hartman Kardon package is the way to go!
one HUGE difference is the tunability of these cars, I feel like and this is just my opinion, but i feel like the GR Corolla is already stretching to make 300hp froma 1.6l 3 cyl engine. whereas the WRX has a big 2.4l 4 cyl. I think the WRX has more overhead especially when you start adding downpipes and turbo upgrades. but, there goes your reliability. so its all about what you want and how much youre willing to spend to get it. I just got the base WRX and im loving it. I'm sure i would love the GR corolla more but i cant afford it. gg
This is a common misconception. Toyota did their homework and put the all the money into the powertrain on this car. 1.6l triple sounds small, but it is built for power. One fewer piston means that the ones you do have can be built stronger for the same price. As is the transmission. I've heard of tuners getting 750hp out of this new motor already. I had 04 WRX that I put a stage 2 kit and tune on and reading over the forums, you have to do a lot of supporting mods to the driveline to go to really big power in the WRX. Obviously, time will tell, but for myself, more power just means more frequent trips to the pump. 300hp is just perfect for me in this size of car. Plenty quick and I love that it gets 30mpg on the highway and anytime I can keep my right foot under control. And the brakes! The GR is such a driver's car right out of the box. Everything I had made my WRX into by the end, but with a factory warranty and way better fuel economy.
Then take in account financing specials Toyota 4.9% 60 month vs 0.9% 72 month Subaru and 0% after new year on 24 models. It’s a massive price difference unless you paying cash then just get a used GR Corolla they low $30’s big depreciation already
One thing about the WRX, that's basically the de-tuned power and torque. That should mean that it's drastically understressed and will last a long time... or some enterprising tuners could milk it out hard.
When I drove the GR Corolla I really missed having a right armrest. Also, as a new manual driver I found it particularly touchy when rolling from a dead stop. I’m sure it’s something I’d get used to, but compared to the new Honda Civic Si the GR Corolla was unforgiving.
Australia: GR Corolla is $69k AUD / WRX RS Manual $58k AUD or the WRX Manual base model for $52k AUD. The WRX seems like a lot better purchase. Also considering that the GR's 1.6 turbo sounds like it's running super high boost I think the WRX will have it in longevity as well.
Mitsubishi is GARBAGE and i see them going out of buisness because nobody buys that junk, there cars are horrible im surprised they don't have a 10 year 100 thousand mile warranty like the korean garbage ( kia & hyundai ) TOYOTA is king of the japanese cars period!!!!!!!
I loved my '05 STI, but I can't help but feel like Subaru has lost its way. The TR and GT are around STI prices but without any of the things people want from an STI. It's bigger, heavier, it still under-steers, and it's losing performance comparisons with the front wheel drive and even uglier Elantra N. What happened to the WRX being the giant killer?
Just did a few hours of hard driving in the Gr premium and a Subi TR. So much so we had to refuel both. Definitely the Gr noticeably has more power and has a much more fun rev happy engine with a great shifter. However it’s loud, the interior is cheap, the seats are just only okay plus they place you in a more truck or SUV like orientation which feels like you are sitting on top of the car instead of inside and the rough ride quality as a daily comes into question. Plus that rev happy engine seams to always need to have the RPMs up high even though it has more torque than the WRX. Fuel economy is not great. The WRX TR has more room everywhere, better ride quality, is just plain easy to drive and has a better ability to handle bad bumpy road surfaces more comfortable seats, more options, nicer cabin and it’s materials. Both have their strong points and weak points. Bottom line is the GR is a better track car and the TR is better at everything else. If you want cheaper insurance, better ride quality and comfort, more room, utility, MPG, etc. the choice is obvious.
My 2023 Core with the Winter, Performance, and "Entertainment" option packages would like a word. The heated seats and steering wheel all work very well on cold days.
I’m debating, should I save almost 10k and go with the Subaru I’m scared I’m gonna regret my decision in the future, the Corolla has that mythic car feeling
Thank you for the great review "yet" WRONG!!! The WRX wagon (Levoreg) is made in 6 speed "Manual" transmission but, sadly is offered in Mexico and not the US. If Subaru wanted to "Wipe" the Corolla GR in sales they should bring the Manual wagon, to the US. P.S. I was just kidding Love y'all's review and, Thanks again. 😃👍
The deluxurized that the Corolla got is exactly what I want. In a car like this I'm not buying it for infotainment or nice ricaro seats or lumbar support. Or heated seats. Id be buying it for the pure heart of a sports car. I think car review channels are losing sight of this in a sports car review. Id be okay with all the smart sensors and all that and Android Auto being taken out to get this amazing car for cheaper heat ac and a Bluetooth radio is all I want in a sports car
Is it unusual that I've set my shift light at 6300 RPM? My rationale behind this decision stems from observing Dyno charts consistently indicating peak performance at this specific engine speed. Despite potentially conflicting with my OCD tendencies, aligning the shift light with this data seems appropriate. Moving from the GR86 to the GR Corolla's interior was a bit of a jarring transition. However, my affection for my "Grolla" remains unwavering. It's an exceptional machine that, once in motion, eclipses any perceived shortcomings. Fortunately, I managed to procure a GR Corolla equipped with the performance, cold weather, and premium audio packages, a luxurious indulgence I thoroughly enjoy, particularly during the winter months. There are several modifications I wholeheartedly recommend. First and foremost, I suggest replacing the shift knob with the nearly half-pound GR Shift knob, upgrading the pitch stop mount, and enhancing the shifter linkage with solid aluminum bushings. It's prudent to retain the OEM bushings, as they are integrated with the linkage part number and are priced at $512. These three modifications significantly enhance the shifting experience, resulting in a noticeable improvement. For those concerned about Noise, Vibration, Harshness (NVH), I advocate for the Sxth Element pitch stop mount. Constructed of solid bonded rubber, it gradually softens with use, effectively resolving notchy shifts and minimizing the likelihood of missing the gate.
I'll tell you why the body cladding and why the - visually, at least - ride height appears to be higher. This generation of WRX is a vibe check by Subaru to see if the WRX customer will tolerate this car being turned into a CUV.
Good video. I really thought the Toyota was the one, all boxes checked. Too tight inside, b pillar was on my shoulder, just not comfortable for me. Nothing wrong with the wrx but feels like its missing something, hard to articulate.
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Year and a half ago bought a WRX premium for just under $32K. The jittery ride and peaky motor of the old WRX were gone, heated seats, linear throttle response sold me. But I'm 73, no longer a boy racer, just an old guy who appreciates decent handling, enough power, and a manual.
Yeah I actually LIKE the WRX. I even like how it looks. And the icing on the cake is that you can actually buy a WRX for below sticker. I recently saw one that was running on slightly lower ride height (about .5 - 1.0" all around) and a custom quad exhaust and it looked fantastic. Don't get me wrong, I love the GR Corolla and if up to me, I'd take a GR Corolla Circuit just out of sheer charm, but the WRX still has a place here!
I have the same car. Get it pro tuned by dman. You won't regret
I bought my 2022 WRX premium last July. Just crossed 22k miles on Tuesday. I can’t stop driving it. Just waiting another 13k miles before the real fun begins
If you can drive between lines; you can go to an autocross event. Have fun man.
If your left knee can still do it then go nuts 👍
I MISS MITSUBISHI EVO!.... WRX STI - LANCER EVO - COROLLA GR trio would have been legendary.
I really miss the golden age of Groupa A rallying. Modern WRC is fun, but it lacks homologation special vehicles...
Mitsubishi? The unreliable car company?
I’ll never forgive them after my experience with an eclipse gsx
A maintenance headache
Living in the past man
@@NothingXemnas Same but Group B is what I really miss.
@@TheEd1225 not a true car enthusiast if you can’t fix your own cars
I drove the GR Corolla for a day. It was very impressive, it gripped, took turns really quick. Its the best AWD car I have ever driven. However, it also made me discover that I'm more of a RWD purist and enjoy the communication and scalpel dynamics of the MX5 and 86 more.
gr corolla awd system is kinda ass tbh must have not driven any good awd cars
@@tyhyhhjust because you heard online that the diff overheats after heavy track use doesn’t mean it’s “kinda ass”. Per this video, it seems to drive great
Yup I went from a VA STI to a GR86 and in terms of pure driver engagement RWD wins every single time.
I'm working with a dealer to place an order on the ND3 Club MX5 with the BBS package. Looking forward to the new fir 2024 improved steering rack and two-way limited slip differential.
@@Flatsixfiesta I know im in the minority saying this but I have more fun in my VB than the 2nd gen BRZ. Idk if the 86 drives much differently but the numb cluch engagement and throttle response wasnt the best when i test drove it
Hi, from Japan!! And thank you for picking two Japanese cars. I think both cars are good and fun. However, Toyota makes more hustle and fun cars recently. On the contrary, Subaru makes more gentle and safety cars recently. I feel same ways on GR86 and BRZ. GR86 is more exciting. BRZ is more gentle.
This site has an extensive history with the FT86 twins in both generations and they are fans of those cars. This review is aimed at cars with a different market segment.
@mkei8972 the ONLY "hustle and fun" car Toyota actually makes is the gr corolla in my market. The brz/gr86 are subaru designs. And the supra is a bmw.
@@steve8803 That’s true!! Steve!!
Both new 86 and brz seems to have design flaws? Eg oil pressure etc.
@@ElleesD-95
The oil pressure issue mainly pertains to cars taken to a race track, especially with high grip racing-type tires. There are track users engaged in looking for an aftermarket remedy for the oil pressure issue. www.youtube.com/@900BRZ
Regarding the issue with the sealant Subaru uses being overapplied and collecting in the pan, there is still not a clear answer to whether that is a real problem. Doesn't seem good to me, but it doesn't seem to be associated with any engine failures so far.
I have a GR premium package. And I prefer it over the circuit. I didn’t want the wing because I was going to get an aftermarket WRC wing, which is now on my GR. People know it’s something special and that is just such a cool feeling. I cannot emphasize how many looks and turning heads I get just driving this thing. Some People that don’t know it’s a performance car think I modded an XSE but they say it’s modified really well.
Its just such a cool little car and it just scoots
@myredpyramidthing it is a nice vehicle. It's just that in Canada the base is $50k, while I paid $39k for my wrx limited. And even though the wrx interior is not luxury by any means, it far exceeds that of the base grc for a significantly cheaper price tag. Toyota really needs to up the ante in that department.
I own this exact WRX in white. It does deliver for me. No oil use, no rattles, no warranty issues, 28 mpg last 3000 miles. Great review, guys.
How does it look in person? Camera doesn't do it too well
Till your valves need cleaning.
Is 28 MPG considered good for a new sedan in the US? It's the kind of fuel mileage you'd expect from an old estate or a large SUV in Europe
@@lptomtomNo that’s not considered good but that’s very good for a vehicle with AWD and a 270 hp engine
I own it too but mine was 33k haha not the 38k I guess they are now? Love it though
I love the format and presentation of these reviews. It's amazing how the aesthetic and composition has remained very familiar after all these years. In a time when a lot of visual media has evolved to rely on faster cuts, loud music, jarring effects to maintain attention, seeing these videos in contrast invokes a feeling of nostalgia and better times. Hope you guys keep doing what you're doing for years to come!
Thank you for saying this and for connecting with what we do. We were one of the very first on RUclips, and we're not going anywhere. Glad to have you watching!
Love my GR Corolla Circuit Edition. It's the perfect companion to my Miata 🤙
Love my 24 Circuit also. It’s the perfect companion to my Cayman 👍
So, your Miata is your daily driver and the Corolla is the weekend car?
My weekend car is my first gen NSX. Was thinking of getting a GR Corolla as my daily.
271hp, 6 speed, awd, room for 4, all that for $30K…..so I bought one 6 months ago…..Love it! Love it! Love it!
What did you buy?
@@nevinkuser9892 23 WRX base
@@KTK_808 Yeah, 271hp is more than I'd ever need anyways. That sounds like a great deal. The whole markup beyond mrsp of Corolla turns me off.
@@nevinkuser9892 the linear powerband makes it feel great driveability wise because you don't have that low end loss like the VA and prior wrx's had.
Own a 22 WRX. For a dad family of four, man that thing is the funnest car I’ve owned. And you can drive it the same all year long (live in northern New York)
As an evo 9 owner, we just bought a GR Corolla for my pregnant wife. She LOVES it. Seats are comfortable. We traded in our Bronco 4Dr hardtop manual. We also have two dogs and some ppl will say we are crazy to downsize but we don’t care lol we knew the GRC is something special, hell I feel like it’s a newer evo 9! We are happy with ours. It’s so fun!
Evo looks way better than the Subaru. But the new Subaru looks way better than the Toyota lol
I completely agree. Having owned an Evo 8 and a 2005 STi, the GRC is more like the Evo than the STi. Oddly most people compare the GRC to the STi 🤷🏻♂️
I put 8 people in my 1000cc 3cyl Toyota hatchback and it went up a mountain! Don't worry about anything. These are the greatest cars on the planet.
@iiReCoii have to disagree the grc is a far better looking car than the new wrx
Agreed! I traded in my Evo 8 for a 9 MR and hated the MR's 6 speed. The GR's shifter is closer to the 8 5 speed which I loved. The GR has sharp steering and a much better interior) It is the softer Evo that I need now that I'm an old fart.
I’ve always owned $80k-$100k M3&M4’s, a hellcat and so on. I sold my most recent challenger hellcat and M4 and daily a 2016 Ram 2500. Been itching for a new car so looked at M3 with awd. Saw a GRC Circuit Ed. In a Best Buy parking lot and started my research, 2 days and 20 dealerships later I drove my New 2024 GRC Circuit Ed. Off the lot, it is the best car I’ve ever driven, I feel so connected to the car and the road. I couldn’t be happier and will never ever sell it. I knew it was gonna be good but really had no idea it just how good it is! Also, it’s my first Toyota and after only 5 days, I’m a loyalist! I had better service and treatment at the Toyota dealer than I ever have at a BMW and my wife’s Range Rover dealership! Thank you Toyota for making the perfect car!
I had a Lexus RCF for almost 9 years, highly modded with high end coilovers and bolt ons, it wasn’t a slouch by any means. Then I saw the Toyota GR up close and personal (the owner gave me a full tour). I couldn’t get it off my mind, literally 4 days later I was trading my Lexus for the GR Corolla circuit edition. Driving it has me all smiles, and the car from every single angle is gorgeous. I often find myself going to the garage just to admire it. The car is such a thrill to drive so nimble and light footed with an eagerness to be driven. The GR Corolla is the first car I have owned right out the box that has me quite satisfied. With my Lexus and previous Mercedes AMG there was always something I felt they lacked from factory and hence all the mods l would do to the cars. With the GR it’s so perfect, I’m just so satisfied with it stock. Can’t wait for the break in period to be over so I can extract the most out of that engine. I totally agree with everything you said about your experience, truly a phenomenal car! All those who say it’s just a Corolla are totally clueless, even the interior is very agreeable to me. I don’t in anyway feel like I have downgraded
Nailed the summary in my opinion. I absolutely love both vehicles, and own the 22 WRX Limited 6spd. I got mine new for $34k and have loved every one of the 20k miles I've put on it so far. Got a chance to drive the GR Corolla and don't have any trouble admitting it is sharper and a better performer. But... I have a 30 mile commute to work each way and have three boys. The GR Corolla is the car I want, but it would be such a compromise for what I need it to do. Love them both. Glad they're both available.
Great video. Special shout out to the outtakes, especially Paul’s shifting, complete with racing inspired sound effects.
I brought into my rally red 2015 EVO X GSR right out of college thanks to Todd’s advice back in 2016. I still have that car and would never get rid of it. It is quite amazing after I put on some sticky 245 tires on my EVO X it still out handles the 265 FL5 Type R on the backroad. This review further makes me want to test drive a GR Corolla. It is known (according to Best Motoring in Japan) there some real Mitsubishi engineers that left Mitsubishi after the EVO X project to develop the GR Corolla.❤
GR Corolla definitely feels like a spiritual successor to the Evo X. I might move over from mine when the prices of the GR drop, I just can’t justify paying the ~20k difference in my market
I have a 2022 wrx premium. I love every minute i drive it. Im 64 and feel like a teenager every time i get behind the wheel 😊
Awesome, been thinking about getting one myself!
Love my GRC 😊 its been 1 year and been fun to own, and I've got 24 mpg most of the time 😊
What mileage do you get if you baby it?
@sarcasticundertones3513 Used Eco mode on the hwy and saw 32mpg.
I miss my EVO X... I bought it when I lived in Buffalo NY. I sold it when I moved to Texas and got a Truck. My Truck is Nice, but I miss my EVO X.
WRX for me. Got new ‘23 Premium earlier this year for $31K. Shifter is easily improved w/ a few small parts (shifter stop/guide and STI pitch stop, transmission mount & shift bushings). Add Cobb AP, custom tune & intake to add 80+ whp & 120 ft-lb for ~$1300. Catback exhaust, 1” drop springs, 20mm wheel spacers, EBC brake pads & fluid, window tint and a few other small mods and I feel it’s a great bang for buck.
❤ such a good summary and comparison of both vehicles, if the car seats fit in the back of the GR Corolla I totally would’ve gone that route. Although the $9000 price difference would’ve given me pause. Loving the WRX for now!
8:33 I can tell you that whomever named the center differential "C.DIFF" has never worked in healthcare 😂
colon inflammation is no joke.
well, to be fair, if someone messed with that knob enough in the older cars, it would result in diarrhea lol
For unfortunate reasons you made me laugh !
Ey i work healthcare and I’m all about it 😂
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It's hard to get the specialness difference between the two without driving them close together. I was stunned when I did and the GR was the clear winner (coming from a Fiesta ST, B-13 Sentra SE-R, and a Datsun 510). Rowdy shitboxes are my happy place.
Some guys in Australia ran the engine in the GR Yaris past 30lbs of boost. The engine is not stressed. Toyota engineering FTW
I wish Subi made a true rally WRX due to the existing ride height. Just put some cool chunky/sport tires/wheels to nod to its current ride height and RALLY nature. Jesus. Everyone loves adventure motos and outdorsey fun. This car needs that. Toss on some great name brand shocks like what GM and Toyota are doing. LIKE THAT!
Fair review of both vehicles, direct injection only on the wrx sent me looking in a different direction. I’m a guy that has been driving wrx since 2006 when I purchased a 2005 Saab 92x aero. Still have a really nice 2002 wrx sedan that I only drive on nice weather days and no salted roads. Purchased an Is300 awd instead of a new wrx last month.
I'm really nostalgic for cars that have spartan, low-rent interiors. Cheap, low quality interiors give me a better feeling like I can USE the car. There's a charm to vehicles that do the dynamics part inherently well, but leave the interior space to the driver to be as tidy or as messy, as cared for or lived in, as they choose to make it. If I were well off and young in 2004, I would have bought an Impreza STi. If I were young today, I'd have that Corolla. They exist in the same space for me, personally.
Both are great cars. I have the new wrx. One thing I love is that it is very easy and cheap to tune and get another 50 hp with a Cobb access port.
so for a grand you can tune it to have the same performance of the corolla and lose the warranty... not worth it for 50 hp.
@@NMTDevastator you don’t lose the entire warranty. Yes there is some risk. Worth it for me
Like any enthusiast car. People will tune them and throw bolt ons them. I think that’s a given personally. The WRX FA24 comes alive with an intake and tune.
@@NMTDevastator You don't lose your warranty using an accessport.
Locally, the WRX premium is over $32,735 and the GR Corolla $46,850.00 before taxes and fees. I wish they were priced more closely together.
I got mine below that.
What model corolla? The gr corolla Lsd should be around 38?
The STI would be priced basically the same as the GR Corolla.
Yeah these prices are bizarre. I'm in Canada and the WRX is priced WAY lower than that GR, even the top trim.
Another thing people have to take into account about the GR Corolla is they only made so many for the 23’ and 24’ year. It was around 6,500 units so finding one in the color you want is the first challenge, and then in the trim you want. And, finally you can try to get it at, or below MSRP with no markup.
The core or premium might be cheaper, but the circuit just has the looks. The vehicle handles so well, though. It is crazy how planted it feels. I only put a little over 500 miles on my CE right now, and it is a fantastic drive feeling.
It's fine to compare these two, but don't pretend they're in the same price class. In Canada, the WRX Sport (premium) has an MSRP of about 40k. The base Corolla is nearly 50k
I too daily drive a fbo race red st2 😅
Maybe that speaks to how low the demand for the WRX is? I’ve seen more GR Corolla than I’ve seen new WRX recently
@kenchen704 do you not live where it snows cause I see like 5 new wrxs aday
Rip currency conversion
Back in 22. My base vb was abour 32-33k almost cheaper~onpar with the si. Almost 10-12k cheaper than the corolla. That was my deciding factor
Almost traded my 22 WRX Limited for a GR Corolla last month and backed out at the last minute. I couldn’t bring myself to do it. I do prefer hatchbacks and I know the GR is the better enthusiast driver but I guess I’m attached at this point and love the way the WRX looks in person.
I saw a wrx in this dark gray kinda color and it made the plastic cladding make so much more sense
I’m getting a World Rally Blue, but the Magnetite grey was a very close second choice. The boy racer in me won out.
That's why I bought a Magnetite Gray 2022 WRX lol
Mine is black but getting a color change at the end of this month. The gray does look great also, but my Camaro is gray.
Mines ignition red, and I actually really like how the black cladding looks on it
I honestly still can't get over the looks and that giant touch screen in the new WRX. That is why I ended up trading my 2019 BRZ for my current 2023 Honda Civic Si. Modified the new WRX looks great, however in stock form it looks like a sports-sedan had a baby with a off-roady crossover. I do think the WRX is definitely the best value for money right now, which is why they are selling really well.
That GR Corolla is amazing in every metric. What a machine!
One thing reviewers won't mention is the VB WRX comes from the factory *very* under tuned. A simple OTS with zero mods will make ~310+ HP to all 4 wheels. My 2023 VB WRX with no mechanical mods and a pro tune will absolutely dust even a tuned GR Corolla. I'm hitting 0-60 in like 4.6 seconds...
this is true but you have to understand most reviewers are reviewing a product that is how it came from the factory, how the OEM sold the car, not its tuning potential. So depending on the type of buyer like someone who is an enthusiast, of course you're gonna research which one is better for mods. But when OEMs gives a reviewer a press car, they arent interested in letting someone talking about mods.
Definitely in the plans for mine(the one they reviewed)!
@@sshhddoo9892 I get that. Which is why I dropped the comment. People need to understand that the Toyota is high strung out the gate while the subie can safely make 400 HP on pump gas
@@sshhddoo9892well the WRX is historically one of the most popular tuner cars
i wait to see the inevitable reddit post asking about what to do once the bottom end destroys itself...like every other WRX chasing evos of old.
Ive actually been in the market for this wrx and im very happy to see this video
Great comparison as always guys. I cross-shopped these two as well as the Integra & GTI, and ended up with a WRX for the new daily. Currently own 6 Toyotas, 2 MR2s, Celica, 1st gen Tacoma, FJ Cruiser, and an old 2WD 90 pickup. I wanted the GRC, but went WRX for the interior and trunk space as well as the price. Much nicer place to be, back seat easily fits the rear facing car seat, and huge trunk. A huge rally fan, so it's about time I finally got a proper Subaru with a 6-speed and a turbo to daily.
Your description of both vehicles is on point. Great video my guys
All these reviewers forget the weight/performance advantage and the stand alone cost that the Forged Carbon Roof on the Circuit represents.
Same people used to gush over the E46 M3 CSL, yet somehow this gets forgotten here. Never mind the interior is heaps nicer in the Circuit,
Functional hood vents keep temps under better control in the bay area, and the wing just adds to the whole package, especially with the 24 upgrades.
People laughed at Toyota, saying they needed help from Subaru to engineer the 86/BRZ and BMW for Supra.
And Yamaha to design engine heads etc.
When in actual fact - Toyota could do everything on its own even from 40 years ago.
Picking up my GR Corolla Premium tomorrow at MSRP, can't wait :D
Which dealer? Tnx
Still going with the sport cvt in the subie as none of these are race cars, just fun street cars.
The landscape where you are at is incredible for thoses car, I like the WRX so much ! Unfortunately we donnot have thoses one in EU
Its weird in Canada the WRX in the trim you tested is 40K CAD and the bottom GR Corolla trim is 49K. So in Canada almost a 10K difference. Guess I'll wait to pick up the GR used
Fantastic deep dive comparison
Great video. I wish Lexus made a counterpart to the GR Corolla. I know i would love the drive, but i really need a nicer interior.
They will. Look it up. Morizo drove it and did the intro. It’s a CUV, though. Search Lexus Morizo LBX.
So I bought the WRX back in October 2022 after putting in a deposit for a GR86. Toyota kept delaying delivery so I decided with winter approaching to go with the WRX instead. My girlfriend was also pleased I went from a "4" seater coupe to a 5 seater sedan. The GTC was basically unobtanium here in my part of Canada. I have yet to actually see one in person. The WRX is exactly what you guys said, a more compliant, family friendly sports car. It's awesome, does exactly what I need it to do. I can fit things in it without issue, haul people, while also taking it on the backroads, dirt roads and have a blast in the winter. Yeah it's a little ugly, but whatever, it's quirky IMO.
I have a 23 wrx with mild bolt ons and E35 blend made 400whp on the Dyno..the car is perfect on good coilovers...
What suspension you go with.
Fortune 500
How much wtq? Any transmission issues?
that's not what they're talking about, they're talking about the poor handling, even with coilovers on my wife's new VB it handles poorly and that's because it's running Forester and Crosstrek open front diff and open rear diff drivetrain. Subaru really needs to bring back optional STI package that it did in previous models that way we could get front LSD, center DCCD diff, and rear LSD and compete against GR Corolla and Civic Type R.
@@panderalexander for daily driving is not bad. I’m sure someone will make a rear and front LSD for the VB soon than later.
I currently own both, I bought the GR to replace the WRX but I have found the WRX is the better daily so surprised by that. I ice climb and ski and thought the hatch back would work significantly better in carrying the gear but found the opposite. The Subarus fold down seats create a 5 foot "bed" to carry a set of 190cm skis. The GR cannot even carry the skis with them going through the dash. Plus I paid 5k marked adjust on my premium trim like an idiot. haha
Interesting to hear this. Makes sense based on when we had them together. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
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Saw a circuit edition Corolla today and I'd probably trade my WRX for one. A hatchback s just so much more practical, and the GR has a way better designed interior instead of the stupid massive screen that is in the new Subarus. I absolutely HATE the body cladding on the WRX and would have to factor in replacements from Aeroflow dynamics into my purchase price.
Another great vid guys! The wheel cladding on the WRX is gaudy imo, It makes the wheel "openings look ginormous. Todd I know you've had it for awhile but I'm loving the goatee buddy.
I agree that the GR can happily be your daily driver if you are not bothered about the drab cabin. I say this as somebody for whom a V5 STi Type RA was my daily driver for 13 years. The only reason it isnt now is age, and the fact that now you folk in the US can import them they are rocketing in value. Thanks for that 😉
That said, im not keen on the exterior looks (reminds me of a Mazda 3) and i think that does matter. And anyway, cant get either of these in the UK so kind of a moot point.
I own a 2019 STI. I was holding out for the new one. I ended up buying a Morizo and still daily the STI. The lack of STI made Subaru loose all appeal to me.
I have a 19 sti and was thinking something similar. How much did you get your morizo for?
It’s been 10 years and we’re still upset we don’t get a wrx hatch 😂
Im begging Subaru Makes a WRX Crosstrek. FA24, breaks, wider tread/wheels, trim, etc. And manual.
We have the RS hatch! Aaaaand theres no manual...
Come on Subaru!
@@alechall7082 Subaru really knows how to twist my heart they’ve done that more than probably any other manufacturer since 2020
@OceanLake66 the people who are upset don't put their money where their mouth it. That's why it's gone.
@@steve8803they've out priced fun cars with safety and tech bs, plus inflation not keeping up with wages. Now we get old boomer cars that will rub your shoulders and turn for you. What a fun world we live in
Awesome review! Thanks for posting.
Used to own a 2015 STI, now own a GR Corolla Circuit Edition. The Corolla is so much better.
There is about an $8k - $10k price difference in these cars. Subaru dealers are discounting and Toyota is adding mark ups
GR Corolla is my dream car
I drove both and felt claustrophobia in the GR. Also, no adults can ever ride in the back. Can't take skis on your trip either. In Montana, this was a no brainer. The WRX is a much better all around car, and can easily accept mods to beat the GR in an autocross or rallycross event.
I have a GR Yaris. Corolla not available in UK. For an everyday, I’d have a Golf R over the WRX, which seems to be neither comfort/luxurious nor sporty as per rally winner Gen Subarus.
I have a 2015 Toyota Agya. It's also 3 cylinder and the exhaust also gets way too hot. My gas tank gets too hot sometimes. The solution is adding that silver heat insulation around the exhaust. Very cheap and easy fix!
I daily a GRC, and I gotta say if you've only driven on winter tires you can't even begin to draw a comparison. When I'm on winter tires I might as well be driving on marshmallow, when I have my 265 PS4S's it's absolutely glued to the road. I'm not sure how much different the new WRX is to the 2020 I had before, but as far as dynamics go that WRX wasn't even on the same planet as the GRC.
We’ve driven the GR Corolla many times in multiple video comparisons. This was the only time it was on winter tires in a comparison. You might enjoy some of the other match ups. Glad you enjoy yours and thanks for watching!
Every part of my upbringing wants a Corolla gr.
But…I’m lazy and want to just cruise. So I’m leaning RC350 AWD.
My problem with the new vehicles and the wrx is major proof is those massive screens that just ruin the interior appeal, the GRC screen is more managable but I do wish it was flush instead of the bump, as for driving the wrx just doesn't feel right to drive anymore, like it feels off compared to previous generations, whereas the GRC just feels like the older wrx used to be
I love my GR Corolla and mostly drive with the rear seats folded flat; in the last few days, I've carried a six foot Willow tree, a five-foot tall and quite large roll of steel fencing and stakes.
At 6'6", I'm snug; the seat could go lower (and have a longer seat), the pedals should engage closer to the fire wall, and the steering wheel should telescope further...
...or, my tall ass is too big for this thing lol!
Amazing car though, undeniably!
Used to own a 2019 STI and really missed how analog that car felt compared to a GR Corolla I drove. Shame cars have gotten so muted
I dunno I have both the only thing really analog about the sti is the gauges. To me they both feel very similar leaning to my sti with the better stick feel but reliability I can sleep better at night with the gr. The fact that the sti or wrx could explode even at stock was a no go..
Such a great car, had to sell during Covid tho
Different trim models make it so hard to have a even comparison but it all comes down to preference
@ToyotaUSA. @Everydaydriver
@Subaru
Nice review, thanks.
I wish Toyota had the same post-sales and customer service as Subaru. My wrx series white was with me for 133k and was entirely serviced by Subaru dealers.
Now, I own a GRC 23. In less than 25k miles my 4 tires became uneven. The brakes don’t respond, at first pedal action, during pouring. And my front rotors are warped, with an estimated replacement cost of $2.7K dollars. Too many issues for a new car.
BTW, is this car made in China?😂
Why aren’t there more hatchbacks offered? Are they afraid they’ll leach away sales from suvs? Bring back the hatchback/wagon Subaru, focus, A4, Jetta etc…Not everyone wants a huge suv or cuv. What about those who want a car that fits in their garage, has decent mpg , and doesn’t cost an arm/leg in insurance. Offer them in turbo or hybrid variants with AUTO or “E-CVT. Bring back the affordable fun car!
I’m on the fence about the WRX sedan but would already have a wagon or a hatchback in my driveway. I like the added practicality.
Bc cuvs are more profitable in the US. they cost about the same to make, but are differientiated enough to sell for several thousand more, which is pure profit. Like the corolla cross
Hatchbacks get *slightly* worse mpg than sedans, so I've always imagined that's the reason some manufacturers avoid making them. For example, the current Mazda3 sedans get better MPG than the hatchbacks, despite both looking pretty sleek.
@@AndelaPandela for sporty vehicles, like the wrx, compared to sedans, hatchbacks also tend to get a bit worse lap times than the same car as a coupe or sedan. C&d blamed the hatchback setup for the 2008 sti's dismal result on the lightning lap. When they tested the 2019 jetta gli, they noted it had also beat the last (2015) golf r they had tested, despite the golf r being the much more powerful, performance car of the brand.
GR rolla vs WRX is like the senior varsity captain vs the junior captain. They would be more comparable if Subaru didn’t get rid of the sti
This gentleman are my favorite reviewers.
Thank you. We are glad to have you watching and enjoying what we do!!
Owned a 2007 WRX TR for many years - did a lot of stuff to it, and it was always fun to drive and hoon around in. The bigger turbo (that I installed) and the hit from the boost threshold was so fun! Very theatrical. Test drove a '23 WRX and it's completely lost all its charm and character. It feels far more like an old Volvo; no drama, no fun, not really good at much. Just a comfortable daily driver.
Ended up test driving a '23 GR86 and buying it on the spot.
I traded in my 2014 WRX (the last of the hatchbacks) for a 2023 WRX. I was interested in looking at the GR Corolla but, at the time, I couldn't even find one to test drive. And the Toyota dealers were asking $10k over MSRP. I got my 2023 WRX for a bit under MSRP. Compared to my 2014 WRX, the 2023 WRX has a better suspension, better power delivery, a better shifter (I got the short-throw), and a more comfortable interior. A year on, I have no regrets buying my 2023 WRX.
I drove the WRX, GLI, Elantra N & I would’ve loved to test drive a GR but the were unobtainable at the time but ended up buying a Golf r. I still think about that Elantra N though. It had a real personality unlike all those others.
well the reason Elantra N did better than WRX is because it comes standard with LSD. New WRX has no option for LSD, it only runs open front diff and open rear diff drivetrain from Forester and Crosstrek.
Good choice
Wow, what an awesome pair of cars, and you reviewed them so well! Your down-to-earth style of presenting them really shows that you know (and care about) your audience. Thank you!
I have the WRX VB with the auto with 30k miles now. It’s a fine car and I’m completely happy with it.
I still want Toyota to put the 3 cylinder into the GR86 for the street (it's already in the racing cars). As a bonus, I have read that it is a bit lighter than the Subaru flat-4.
odd choice, the center of gravity is at least an inch lower with the flat-4
22 WRX owner here … Subaru of America seems really confused with the cars trim levels. You nailed it, the Premium with the Sunroof/Hartman Kardon package is the way to go!
Soft and crunchy! I missed your voice maestro
I will pick a Corolla every time
one HUGE difference is the tunability of these cars, I feel like and this is just my opinion, but i feel like the GR Corolla is already stretching to make 300hp froma 1.6l 3 cyl engine.
whereas the WRX has a big 2.4l 4 cyl. I think the WRX has more overhead especially when you start adding downpipes and turbo upgrades. but, there goes your reliability. so its all about what you want and how much youre willing to spend to get it. I just got the base WRX and im loving it. I'm sure i would love the GR corolla more but i cant afford it. gg
This is a common misconception. Toyota did their homework and put the all the money into the powertrain on this car. 1.6l triple sounds small, but it is built for power. One fewer piston means that the ones you do have can be built stronger for the same price. As is the transmission. I've heard of tuners getting 750hp out of this new motor already. I had
04 WRX that I put a stage 2 kit and tune on and reading over the forums, you have to do a lot of supporting mods to the driveline to go to really big power in the WRX. Obviously, time will tell, but for myself, more power just means more frequent trips to the pump. 300hp is just perfect for me in this size of car. Plenty quick and I love that it gets 30mpg on the highway and anytime I can keep my right foot under control. And the brakes! The GR is such a driver's car right out of the box. Everything I had made my WRX into by the end, but with a factory warranty and way better fuel economy.
$1k difference?! The wrx is like $10k cheaper.
Maybe msrp is close, but actual price is waaay different.
Then take in account financing specials Toyota 4.9% 60 month vs 0.9% 72 month Subaru and 0% after new year on 24 models. It’s a massive price difference unless you paying cash then just get a used GR Corolla they low $30’s big depreciation already
Predictable I'd pick the WRX ALL YEAR🇺🇲🇯🇵 good review
One thing about the WRX, that's basically the de-tuned power and torque. That should mean that it's drastically understressed and will last a long time... or some enterprising tuners could milk it out hard.
When I drove the GR Corolla I really missed having a right armrest.
Also, as a new manual driver I found it particularly touchy when rolling from a dead stop. I’m sure it’s something I’d get used to, but compared to the new Honda Civic Si the GR Corolla was unforgiving.
Australia: GR Corolla is $69k AUD / WRX RS Manual $58k AUD or the WRX Manual base model for $52k AUD. The WRX seems like a lot better purchase. Also considering that the GR's 1.6 turbo sounds like it's running super high boost I think the WRX will have it in longevity as well.
More car makers need to enter this segment so the evo can come back.
Mitsubishi is GARBAGE and i see them going out of buisness because nobody buys that junk, there cars are horrible im surprised they don't have a 10 year 100 thousand mile warranty like the korean garbage ( kia & hyundai ) TOYOTA is king of the japanese cars period!!!!!!!
I loved my '05 STI, but I can't help but feel like Subaru has lost its way. The TR and GT are around STI prices but without any of the things people want from an STI. It's bigger, heavier, it still under-steers, and it's losing performance comparisons with the front wheel drive and even uglier Elantra N.
What happened to the WRX being the giant killer?
Just did a few hours of hard driving in the Gr premium and a Subi TR. So much so we had to refuel both.
Definitely the Gr noticeably has more power and has a much more fun rev happy engine with a great shifter. However it’s loud, the interior is cheap, the seats are just only okay plus they place you in a more truck or SUV like orientation which feels like you are sitting on top of the car instead of inside and the rough ride quality as a daily comes into question. Plus that rev happy engine seams to always need to have the RPMs up high even though it has more torque than the WRX. Fuel economy is not great.
The WRX TR has more room everywhere, better ride quality, is just plain easy to drive and has a better ability to handle bad bumpy road surfaces more comfortable seats, more options, nicer cabin and it’s materials.
Both have their strong points and weak points. Bottom line is the GR is a better track car and the TR is better at everything else. If you want cheaper insurance, better ride quality and comfort, more room, utility, MPG, etc. the choice is obvious.
Now you’ll have to do an auto vs cvt on the newest refresh from the GR Rolla!
GRC core has heated seats but no heated steering wheel, which is only available in the circuit, premium and Morizo
@DannySarbs heated seats are available on the Core when you option the winter package. This one didn't have that. It's a must in my book.
My 2023 Core with the Winter, Performance, and "Entertainment" option packages would like a word. The heated seats and steering wheel all work very well on cold days.
Regarding priorities, I spend all my time driving behind the wheel. The car that provides the best experience behind the wheel is the one to have.
I’m debating, should I save almost 10k and go with the Subaru
I’m scared I’m gonna regret my decision in the future, the Corolla has that mythic car feeling
Thank you for the great review "yet" WRONG!!! The WRX wagon (Levoreg) is made in 6 speed "Manual" transmission but, sadly is offered in Mexico and not the US. If Subaru wanted to "Wipe" the Corolla GR in sales they should bring the Manual wagon, to the US. P.S. I was just kidding Love y'all's review and, Thanks again. 😃👍
Bought my Son his first car WR Blue WRX GT and I have to say it’s a blast to drive it’s not my old StI’s but drives awesome
Can be had in my town for 30-35k new which makes it a hard to beat bargain. There is even a 2023 with 13k miles for 28k at the dealer.
The deluxurized that the Corolla got is exactly what I want. In a car like this I'm not buying it for infotainment or nice ricaro seats or lumbar support. Or heated seats. Id be buying it for the pure heart of a sports car. I think car review channels are losing sight of this in a sports car review. Id be okay with all the smart sensors and all that and Android Auto being taken out to get this amazing car for cheaper heat ac and a Bluetooth radio is all I want in a sports car
Is it unusual that I've set my shift light at 6300 RPM? My rationale behind this decision stems from observing Dyno charts consistently indicating peak performance at this specific engine speed. Despite potentially conflicting with my OCD tendencies, aligning the shift light with this data seems appropriate. Moving from the GR86 to the GR Corolla's interior was a bit of a jarring transition. However, my affection for my "Grolla" remains unwavering. It's an exceptional machine that, once in motion, eclipses any perceived shortcomings. Fortunately, I managed to procure a GR Corolla equipped with the performance, cold weather, and premium audio packages, a luxurious indulgence I thoroughly enjoy, particularly during the winter months.
There are several modifications I wholeheartedly recommend. First and foremost, I suggest replacing the shift knob with the nearly half-pound GR Shift knob, upgrading the pitch stop mount, and enhancing the shifter linkage with solid aluminum bushings. It's prudent to retain the OEM bushings, as they are integrated with the linkage part number and are priced at $512. These three modifications significantly enhance the shifting experience, resulting in a noticeable improvement. For those concerned about Noise, Vibration, Harshness (NVH), I advocate for the Sxth Element pitch stop mount. Constructed of solid bonded rubber, it gradually softens with use, effectively resolving notchy shifts and minimizing the likelihood of missing the gate.
I'll tell you why the body cladding and why the - visually, at least - ride height appears to be higher. This generation of WRX is a vibe check by Subaru to see if the WRX customer will tolerate this car being turned into a CUV.
When did Mirror Universe Todd take over the channel?
flexo todd
I thought the same thing!
My car guy hot take is that I really dont like hatchbacks. I also don't really mind the wheel arches on the wrx. This isn't ragebait I promise
Good video. I really thought the Toyota was the one, all boxes checked. Too tight inside, b pillar was on my shoulder, just not comfortable for me. Nothing wrong with the wrx but feels like its missing something, hard to articulate.