WRX vs GR Corolla - Role Reversal | Everyday Driver
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- The Subaru WRX has been a go-to enthusiast do-it-all for its entire history, but the loss of the hatchback version gives the Toyota GR Corolla an advantage. Join us as we drive them back to back and discuss bad weather, good driving, and what makes the best car for every situation.
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00:00 - Giving up on Hatchbacks
2:04 - The perfect match up
4:21 - 3 Cylinders... Madness or Genius?
6:18 - The Boxer continues the fight
11:04 - The Center Diff makes the Difference
14:27 - Is this just an expensive Corolla?
16:45 - What happened to the WRX?
19:00 - (Skip to this and you missed a lot) Tough choices
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Year and a half ago bought a WRX premium for just under $32K. The jittery ride and peaky motor of the old WRX were gone, heated seats, linear throttle response sold me. But I'm 73, no longer a boy racer, just an old guy who appreciates decent handling, enough power, and a manual.
Yeah I actually LIKE the WRX. I even like how it looks. And the icing on the cake is that you can actually buy a WRX for below sticker. I recently saw one that was running on slightly lower ride height (about .5 - 1.0" all around) and a custom quad exhaust and it looked fantastic. Don't get me wrong, I love the GR Corolla and if up to me, I'd take a GR Corolla Circuit just out of sheer charm, but the WRX still has a place here!
I have the same car. Get it pro tuned by dman. You won't regret
I bought my 2022 WRX premium last July. Just crossed 22k miles on Tuesday. I can’t stop driving it. Just waiting another 13k miles before the real fun begins
If you can drive between lines; you can go to an autocross event. Have fun man.
If your left knee can still do it then go nuts 👍
271hp, 6 speed, awd, room for 4, all that for $30K…..so I bought one 6 months ago…..Love it! Love it! Love it!
What did you buy?
@@nevinkuser9892 23 WRX base
@@KTK_808 Yeah, 271hp is more than I'd ever need anyways. That sounds like a great deal. The whole markup beyond mrsp of Corolla turns me off.
@@nevinkuser9892 the linear powerband makes it feel great driveability wise because you don't have that low end loss like the VA and prior wrx's had.
I MISS MITSUBISHI EVO!.... WRX STI - LANCER EVO - COROLLA GR trio would have been legendary.
I really miss the golden age of Groupa A rallying. Modern WRC is fun, but it lacks homologation special vehicles...
Mitsubishi? The unreliable car company?
I’ll never forgive them after my experience with an eclipse gsx
A maintenance headache
Living in the past man
@@NothingXemnas Same but Group B is what I really miss.
@@TheEd1225 not a true car enthusiast if you can’t fix your own cars
I drove the GR Corolla for a day. It was very impressive, it gripped, took turns really quick. Its the best AWD car I have ever driven. However, it also made me discover that I'm more of a RWD purist and enjoy the communication and scalpel dynamics of the MX5 and 86 more.
gr corolla awd system is kinda ass tbh must have not driven any good awd cars
@@tyhyhhjust because you heard online that the diff overheats after heavy track use doesn’t mean it’s “kinda ass”. Per this video, it seems to drive great
Yup I went from a VA STI to a GR86 and in terms of pure driver engagement RWD wins every single time.
I'm working with a dealer to place an order on the ND3 Club MX5 with the BBS package. Looking forward to the new fir 2024 improved steering rack and two-way limited slip differential.
@@sanzserif I know im in the minority saying this but I have more fun in my VB than the 2nd gen BRZ. Idk if the 86 drives much differently but the numb cluch engagement and throttle response wasnt the best when i test drove it
8:33 I can tell you that whomever named the center differential "C.DIFF" has never worked in healthcare 😂
colon inflammation is no joke.
well, to be fair, if someone messed with that knob enough in the older cars, it would result in diarrhea lol
For unfortunate reasons you made me laugh !
Ey i work healthcare and I’m all about it 😂
Boooooo ur 🌽 y
It’s been 10 years and we’re still upset we don’t get a wrx hatch 😂
Im begging Subaru Makes a WRX Crosstrek. FA24, breaks, wider tread/wheels, trim, etc. And manual.
We have the RS hatch! Aaaaand theres no manual...
Come on Subaru!
@@alechall7082 Subaru really knows how to twist my heart they’ve done that more than probably any other manufacturer since 2020
@OceanLake66 the people who are upset don't put their money where their mouth it. That's why it's gone.
It's fine to compare these two, but don't pretend they're in the same price class. In Canada, the WRX Sport (premium) has an MSRP of about 40k. The base Corolla is nearly 50k
I too daily drive a fbo race red st2 😅
Maybe that speaks to how low the demand for the WRX is? I’ve seen more GR Corolla than I’ve seen new WRX recently
@kenchen704 do you not live where it snows cause I see like 5 new wrxs aday
Rip currency conversion
Back in 22. My base vb was abour 32-33k almost cheaper~onpar with the si. Almost 10-12k cheaper than the corolla. That was my deciding factor
Hi, from Japan!! And thank you for picking two Japanese cars. I think both cars are good and fun. However, Toyota makes more hustle and fun cars recently. On the contrary, Subaru makes more gentle and safety cars recently. I feel same ways on GR86 and BRZ. GR86 is more exciting. BRZ is more gentle.
This site has an extensive history with the FT86 twins in both generations and they are fans of those cars. This review is aimed at cars with a different market segment.
@mkei8972 the ONLY "hustle and fun" car Toyota actually makes is the gr corolla in my market. The brz/gr86 are subaru designs. And the supra is a bmw.
@@steve8803 That’s true!! Steve!!
Both new 86 and brz seems to have design flaws? Eg oil pressure etc.
@@ElleesD-95
The oil pressure issue mainly pertains to cars taken to a race track, especially with high grip racing-type tires. There are track users engaged in looking for an aftermarket remedy for the oil pressure issue. www.youtube.com/@900BRZ
Regarding the issue with the sealant Subaru uses being overapplied and collecting in the pan, there is still not a clear answer to whether that is a real problem. Doesn't seem good to me, but it doesn't seem to be associated with any engine failures so far.
I brought into my rally red 2015 EVO X GSR right out of college thanks to Todd’s advice back in 2016. I still have that car and would never get rid of it. It is quite amazing after I put on some sticky 245 tires on my EVO X it still out handles the 265 FL5 Type R on the backroad. This review further makes me want to test drive a GR Corolla. It is known (according to Best Motoring in Japan) there some real Mitsubishi engineers that left Mitsubishi after the EVO X project to develop the GR Corolla.❤
I love the format and presentation of these reviews. It's amazing how the aesthetic and composition has remained very familiar after all these years. In a time when a lot of visual media has evolved to rely on faster cuts, loud music, jarring effects to maintain attention, seeing these videos in contrast invokes a feeling of nostalgia and better times. Hope you guys keep doing what you're doing for years to come!
Thank you for saying this and for connecting with what we do. We were one of the very first on RUclips, and we're not going anywhere. Glad to have you watching!
One thing reviewers won't mention is the VB WRX comes from the factory *very* under tuned. A simple OTS with zero mods will make ~310+ HP to all 4 wheels. My 2023 VB WRX with no mechanical mods and a pro tune will absolutely dust even a tuned GR Corolla. I'm hitting 0-60 in like 4.6 seconds...
this is true but you have to understand most reviewers are reviewing a product that is how it came from the factory, how the OEM sold the car, not its tuning potential. So depending on the type of buyer like someone who is an enthusiast, of course you're gonna research which one is better for mods. But when OEMs gives a reviewer a press car, they arent interested in letting someone talking about mods.
Definitely in the plans for mine(the one they reviewed)!
@@sshhddoo9892 I get that. Which is why I dropped the comment. People need to understand that the Toyota is high strung out the gate while the subie can safely make 400 HP on pump gas
@@sshhddoo9892well the WRX is historically one of the most popular tuner cars
i wait to see the inevitable reddit post asking about what to do once the bottom end destroys itself...like every other WRX chasing evos of old.
I have a GR premium package. And I prefer it over the circuit. I didn’t want the wing because I was going to get an aftermarket WRC wing, which is now on my GR. People know it’s something special and that is just such a cool feeling. I cannot emphasize how many looks and turning heads I get just driving this thing. Some People that don’t know it’s a performance car think I modded an XSE but they say it’s modified really well.
Its just such a cool little car and it just scoots
@myredpyramidthing it is a nice vehicle. It's just that in Canada the base is $50k, while I paid $39k for my wrx limited. And even though the wrx interior is not luxury by any means, it far exceeds that of the base grc for a significantly cheaper price tag. Toyota really needs to up the ante in that department.
Great video. Special shout out to the outtakes, especially Paul’s shifting, complete with racing inspired sound effects.
Nailed the summary in my opinion. I absolutely love both vehicles, and own the 22 WRX Limited 6spd. I got mine new for $34k and have loved every one of the 20k miles I've put on it so far. Got a chance to drive the GR Corolla and don't have any trouble admitting it is sharper and a better performer. But... I have a 30 mile commute to work each way and have three boys. The GR Corolla is the car I want, but it would be such a compromise for what I need it to do. Love them both. Glad they're both available.
I own this exact WRX in white. It does deliver for me. No oil use, no rattles, no warranty issues, 28 mpg last 3000 miles. Great review, guys.
How does it look in person? Camera doesn't do it too well
Till your valves need cleaning.
Is 28 MPG considered good for a new sedan in the US? It's the kind of fuel mileage you'd expect from an old estate or a large SUV in Europe
@@lptomtomNo that’s not considered good but that’s very good for a vehicle with AWD and a 270 hp engine
I own it too but mine was 33k haha not the 38k I guess they are now? Love it though
Wow, what an awesome pair of cars, and you reviewed them so well! Your down-to-earth style of presenting them really shows that you know (and care about) your audience. Thank you!
As an evo 9 owner, we just bought a GR Corolla for my pregnant wife. She LOVES it. Seats are comfortable. We traded in our Bronco 4Dr hardtop manual. We also have two dogs and some ppl will say we are crazy to downsize but we don’t care lol we knew the GRC is something special, hell I feel like it’s a newer evo 9! We are happy with ours. It’s so fun!
Evo looks way better than the Subaru. But the new Subaru looks way better than the Toyota lol
I completely agree. Having owned an Evo 8 and a 2005 STi, the GRC is more like the Evo than the STi. Oddly most people compare the GRC to the STi 🤷🏻♂️
I put 8 people in my 1000cc 3cyl Toyota hatchback and it went up a mountain! Don't worry about anything. These are the greatest cars on the planet.
@iiReCoii have to disagree the grc is a far better looking car than the new wrx
Agreed! I traded in my Evo 8 for a 9 MR and hated the MR's 6 speed. The GR's shifter is closer to the 8 5 speed which I loved. The GR has sharp steering and a much better interior) It is the softer Evo that I need now that I'm an old fart.
I have the WRX VB with the auto with 30k miles now. It’s a fine car and I’m completely happy with it.
Another great vid guys! The wheel cladding on the WRX is gaudy imo, It makes the wheel "openings look ginormous. Todd I know you've had it for awhile but I'm loving the goatee buddy.
We can’t talk about these cars without talking about their real world prices right now. The GR Corolla is still marked up at 90% of dealerships. And good luck finding a circuit or Moritsu edition for anything under 50k. The fact you can still get a wrx at msrp is what wins it for me in the end.
Up here in Canada the GR Corolla is significantly more expensive than the WRX. A top trim WRX is still $2k cheaper than a base GR. plus every single Corolla I've seen for sale is also marked up while the WRX is easily found at msrp.
Agree, although I’ve seen some major markups for the Corolla up here in Canada- gouging!
Great comparison as always guys. I cross-shopped these two as well as the Integra & GTI, and ended up with a WRX for the new daily. Currently own 6 Toyotas, 2 MR2s, Celica, 1st gen Tacoma, FJ Cruiser, and an old 2WD 90 pickup. I wanted the GRC, but went WRX for the interior and trunk space as well as the price. Much nicer place to be, back seat easily fits the rear facing car seat, and huge trunk. A huge rally fan, so it's about time I finally got a proper Subaru with a 6-speed and a turbo to daily.
I can't get a corolla within 150 miles under 42k.
Due to this, in my region, these cars aren't the same class sadly.
Got my wrx premium about a year ago. Put an intake and a tune on it and am making 325hp. Wasn't exactly happy with the power initially, but 2k into the power, am extremely happy. 34k invested total with some aftermarket and oem cosmetics.
I own a 2019 STI. I was holding out for the new one. I ended up buying a Morizo and still daily the STI. The lack of STI made Subaru loose all appeal to me.
I have a 19 sti and was thinking something similar. How much did you get your morizo for?
Locally, the WRX premium is over $32,735 and the GR Corolla $46,850.00 before taxes and fees. I wish they were priced more closely together.
I got mine below that.
What model corolla? The gr corolla Lsd should be around 38?
The STI would be priced basically the same as the GR Corolla.
Yeah these prices are bizarre. I'm in Canada and the WRX is priced WAY lower than that GR, even the top trim.
Another thing people have to take into account about the GR Corolla is they only made so many for the 23’ and 24’ year. It was around 6,500 units so finding one in the color you want is the first challenge, and then in the trim you want. And, finally you can try to get it at, or below MSRP with no markup.
Love my GRC 😊 its been 1 year and been fun to own, and I've got 24 mpg most of the time 😊
What mileage do you get if you baby it?
@sarcasticundertones3513 Used Eco mode on the hwy and saw 32mpg.
I love how it is a modify to your taste type video. It does make the car more unique that way. VB WRX is what I would go to since has FA24
Thankyou for this video
❤ such a good summary and comparison of both vehicles, if the car seats fit in the back of the GR Corolla I totally would’ve gone that route. Although the $9000 price difference would’ve given me pause. Loving the WRX for now!
Fair review of both vehicles, direct injection only on the wrx sent me looking in a different direction. I’m a guy that has been driving wrx since 2006 when I purchased a 2005 Saab 92x aero. Still have a really nice 2002 wrx sedan that I only drive on nice weather days and no salted roads. Purchased an Is300 awd instead of a new wrx last month.
I miss my EVO X... I bought it when I lived in Buffalo NY. I sold it when I moved to Texas and got a Truck. My Truck is Nice, but I miss my EVO X.
22 WRX owner here … Subaru of America seems really confused with the cars trim levels. You nailed it, the Premium with the Sunroof/Hartman Kardon package is the way to go!
Great review guys
Soft and crunchy! I missed your voice maestro
So I bought the WRX back in October 2022 after putting in a deposit for a GR86. Toyota kept delaying delivery so I decided with winter approaching to go with the WRX instead. My girlfriend was also pleased I went from a "4" seater coupe to a 5 seater sedan. The GTC was basically unobtanium here in my part of Canada. I have yet to actually see one in person. The WRX is exactly what you guys said, a more compliant, family friendly sports car. It's awesome, does exactly what I need it to do. I can fit things in it without issue, haul people, while also taking it on the backroads, dirt roads and have a blast in the winter. Yeah it's a little ugly, but whatever, it's quirky IMO.
makes me miss my sti hatch i had for a couple years. they nailed it back then
I'm really nostalgic for cars that have spartan, low-rent interiors. Cheap, low quality interiors give me a better feeling like I can USE the car. There's a charm to vehicles that do the dynamics part inherently well, but leave the interior space to the driver to be as tidy or as messy, as cared for or lived in, as they choose to make it. If I were well off and young in 2004, I would have bought an Impreza STi. If I were young today, I'd have that Corolla. They exist in the same space for me, personally.
Excellent review.
Both are great cars. I have the new wrx. One thing I love is that it is very easy and cheap to tune and get another 50 hp with a Cobb access port.
so for a grand you can tune it to have the same performance of the corolla and lose the warranty... not worth it for 50 hp.
@@NMTDevastator you don’t lose the entire warranty. Yes there is some risk. Worth it for me
Like any enthusiast car. People will tune them and throw bolt ons them. I think that’s a given personally. The WRX FA24 comes alive with an intake and tune.
I had a 2011 WRX limited hatch and loved it. If they started selling a hatch again I would buy one the next day.
Ive actually been in the market for this wrx and im very happy to see this video
If we "need to buy" the WRX, Subaru needs to bring back the hatchback. It always outsold the sedan when we had it, so it's bizarre they dropped it.
Old news get over it
Subaru claimed it was 50% take on the hatchback vs sedan
I saw a wrx in this dark gray kinda color and it made the plastic cladding make so much more sense
I’m getting a World Rally Blue, but the Magnetite grey was a very close second choice. The boy racer in me won out.
That's why I bought a Magnetite Gray 2022 WRX lol
Mine is black but getting a color change at the end of this month. The gray does look great also, but my Camaro is gray.
Mines ignition red, and I actually really like how the black cladding looks on it
Hope someday you guys would have the opportunity to take a ride on the fiesta st mk8, not sold in the US but worth to have a check.
Its weird in Canada the WRX in the trim you tested is 40K CAD and the bottom GR Corolla trim is 49K. So in Canada almost a 10K difference. Guess I'll wait to pick up the GR used
Need to bring back STI model to compete against GR Corolla, though new WRX VB owners will say how great the FA24 engine is (which it is, one of the best Subaru has made), they forget STI was known for great handling and track capabilities, not for straight line power. STI has front LSD, center active DCCD diff, and rear LSD. VB ain't it, with open front diff and open rear diff with electronic brakepad vectoring straight from the Crosstrek and Forester.
GR rolla vs WRX is like the senior varsity captain vs the junior captain. They would be more comparable if Subaru didn’t get rid of the sti
great video
I love it. Both. I was looking at the WRX hard. I had a 2010 Impreza hatch. Happened to find a GR Corolla core with LSD at MSRP. Got lucky and I have a car I have yet to see another of. Still love Subaru.
My biggest concern with the Corolla is the overheating issue. Savagegeese did an excellent in-depth overview of the cars technical aspects with some expert guests and its found to have a tendency to overheat on the track especially, but also just doing occasional spirited driving on the roads. Being in AZ where its already 100+, I feel like the Corolla will just melt in short time.
I wish Subi made a true rally WRX due to the existing ride height. Just put some cool chunky/sport tires/wheels to nod to its current ride height and RALLY nature. Jesus. Everyone loves adventure motos and outdorsey fun. This car needs that. Toss on some great name brand shocks like what GM and Toyota are doing. LIKE THAT!
I currently own both, I bought the GR to replace the WRX but I have found the WRX is the better daily so surprised by that. I ice climb and ski and thought the hatch back would work significantly better in carrying the gear but found the opposite. The Subarus fold down seats create a 5 foot "bed" to carry a set of 190cm skis. The GR cannot even carry the skis with them going through the dash. Plus I paid 5k marked adjust on my premium trim like an idiot. haha
Interesting to hear this. Makes sense based on when we had them together. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
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7:40 Get the STI shifter. It is better than the stock shifter.
Its not gonna make it as good as the GR but still its an improvement you should take.
I have a 23 wrx with mild bolt ons and E35 blend made 400whp on the Dyno..the car is perfect on good coilovers...
What suspension you go with.
Fortune 500
How much wtq? Any transmission issues?
that's not what they're talking about, they're talking about the poor handling, even with coilovers on my wife's new VB it handles poorly and that's because it's running Forester and Crosstrek open front diff and open rear diff drivetrain. Subaru really needs to bring back optional STI package that it did in previous models that way we could get front LSD, center DCCD diff, and rear LSD and compete against GR Corolla and Civic Type R.
@@panderalexander for daily driving is not bad. I’m sure someone will make a rear and front LSD for the VB soon than later.
What a well thought out review. WRX hits the spot for me. I have a motorcycle to that is more fun than any car (and way less expensive too) I've owned, so the additional fun-factor of the GRC doesn't tip the scales in its favor for me. The WRX as a 4 season vehicle and the added trunk space and fold down seats is better for camping and great for transporting bicycles and canoes, and the stick shift and power make it more than enough. It will look and function better with a roof rack than the GRC. Hopefully the added plastic (which I think looks OK) means less corrosion and a longer lasting body. The big vertically oriented screen fits nicely into the design and I surprise myself a bit saying that since I hate screens in cars.
Honestly the only thing I hate about the infotainment system is the hvac controls . If they were physical buttons it’d be perfect.
I honestly still can't get over the looks and that giant touch screen in the new WRX. That is why I ended up trading my 2019 BRZ for my current 2023 Honda Civic Si. Modified the new WRX looks great, however in stock form it looks like a sports-sedan had a baby with a off-roady crossover. I do think the WRX is definitely the best value for money right now, which is why they are selling really well.
That GR Corolla is amazing in every metric. What a machine!
I’m curious if the guys think the GRC drives more like a STi, Focus RS or Evo. I know they did a comparo and it seemed to like the GRC more than any of those, with the Focus RS being a close second.
Would have liked to look at a grc but when I needed a car last November there were none... got a wrx premium walking out at 33k usd... still very happy with it but would be cool to have had more options back then
Great video. I wish Lexus made a counterpart to the GR Corolla. I know i would love the drive, but i really need a nicer interior.
In 2019 I bought a brand new 2020 Wrx premium for 26k out the door. Those were the days..
More car makers need to enter this segment so the evo can come back.
Mitsubishi is GARBAGE and i see them going out of buisness because nobody buys that junk, there cars are horrible im surprised they don't have a 10 year 100 thousand mile warranty like the korean garbage ( kia & hyundai ) TOYOTA is king of the japanese cars period!!!!!!!
Well those tail lights from the wrx are the same as the GR86 tail light right
I agree that the GR can happily be your daily driver if you are not bothered about the drab cabin. I say this as somebody for whom a V5 STi Type RA was my daily driver for 13 years. The only reason it isnt now is age, and the fact that now you folk in the US can import them they are rocketing in value. Thanks for that 😉
That said, im not keen on the exterior looks (reminds me of a Mazda 3) and i think that does matter. And anyway, cant get either of these in the UK so kind of a moot point.
I own a 16 STI and a 2004 sti. Ive driven the corolla and while it is impressive, i much prefer the sti. You can feel the inflation. Its almost like subaru has been doing it for years and years and Toyotas version is kind of cheap and minimalist. The VA sti has ALOT more of almost everything. IMO if u can find a decently priced VA you can have the best of both worlds for cheaper
If all goes according to plan I'll be picking up a '24 WRX by this fall. 15 years ago I would have seriously considered the GR Corolla for all the reasons you've mentioned here. Now, hummingbird like is the last thing I want in a daily driver.
I drove the WRX, GLI, Elantra N & I would’ve loved to test drive a GR but the were unobtainable at the time but ended up buying a Golf r. I still think about that Elantra N though. It had a real personality unlike all those others.
well the reason Elantra N did better than WRX is because it comes standard with LSD. New WRX has no option for LSD, it only runs open front diff and open rear diff drivetrain from Forester and Crosstrek.
It's hard to get the specialness difference between the two without driving them close together. I was stunned when I did and the GR was the clear winner (coming from a Fiesta ST, B-13 Sentra SE-R, and a Datsun 510). Rowdy shitboxes are my happy place.
I have a 2015 Toyota Agya. It's also 3 cylinder and the exhaust also gets way too hot. My gas tank gets too hot sometimes. The solution is adding that silver heat insulation around the exhaust. Very cheap and easy fix!
I guess I'm one of the weird ones. I'm a sedan guy, and I've never liked the WRS/STi hatch so I have no issues with the WRX as it is. The GR is a little like the Supra where it looks like they tried too hard on the exterior design. I would like the GR much better with the proportions of the original Corolla as I think the rear section just looks too tacked on and doesn't flow well with the rest of the car. In the end, it's the WRX for me, and adding to the appeal is the increase in performance with not a lot of work. The good thing for everyone is that we have both options from which to choose, so choose whichever appeals to you the most!
My problem with the new vehicles and the wrx is major proof is those massive screens that just ruin the interior appeal, the GRC screen is more managable but I do wish it was flush instead of the bump, as for driving the wrx just doesn't feel right to drive anymore, like it feels off compared to previous generations, whereas the GRC just feels like the older wrx used to be
I picked up a 22 WRX Limited when the GR corolla was really hard to find and it's my only car. I don't think I made the wrong decision and my non-car enthusiast wife is clearly happier with the WRX than she would have been with the corolla. I think if we end up with another car, I'll just end up tuning the WRX to turn the fun into excitement.
No hate to the GR folks, though. You absolutely have a kick ass car!
I traded in my 2014 WRX (the last of the hatchbacks) for a 2023 WRX. I was interested in looking at the GR Corolla but, at the time, I couldn't even find one to test drive. And the Toyota dealers were asking $10k over MSRP. I got my 2023 WRX for a bit under MSRP. Compared to my 2014 WRX, the 2023 WRX has a better suspension, better power delivery, a better shifter (I got the short-throw), and a more comfortable interior. A year on, I have no regrets buying my 2023 WRX.
I wanted a GR Corolla really bad, but the mark ups put it at 50-60k. I already had a 2020 M340i BMW and was looking for a cheap and fun car. I have 3 kids and needed room for 2 car seats.
I got a 22 WRX because I got the limited for $4500 off MSRP. The WRX has a lot more room in the rear and trunk then the GRC. Also I knew the 2.4 liter would have more potential for mods. I was disappointed no STI, but it was good enough.
If the GRC was at MSRP , then I would’ve probably found a way to make it work. Oh well, I actually like my WRX and monthly payment.
Everyone will have something to say about the WRX or GR or any car. But I love my WRX 2023. And I got it in Manual.
Love my GR Corolla Circuit Edition. It's the perfect companion to my Miata 🤙
All these reviewers forget the weight/performance advantage and the stand alone cost that the Forged Carbon Roof on the Circuit represents.
Same people used to gush over the E46 M3 CSL, yet somehow this gets forgotten here. Never mind the interior is heaps nicer in the Circuit,
Functional hood vents keep temps under better control in the bay area, and the wing just adds to the whole package, especially with the 24 upgrades.
Used to own a 2019 STI and really missed how analog that car felt compared to a GR Corolla I drove. Shame cars have gotten so muted
I dunno I have both the only thing really analog about the sti is the gauges. To me they both feel very similar leaning to my sti with the better stick feel but reliability I can sleep better at night with the gr. The fact that the sti or wrx could explode even at stock was a no go..
GRC core has heated seats but no heated steering wheel, which is only available in the circuit, premium and Morizo
@DannySarbs heated seats are available on the Core when you option the winter package. This one didn't have that. It's a must in my book.
Todd did I see you on emigration canyon today? I was in my 24 GRC Circuit Edition and saw a red GRC and a driver with long hair.
@Reventon777 This was filmed a few weeks ago now and the car was sent to someone else. Might still be in the valley somewhere.
@@phattyhales ah, wasn't sure if it was a long term loaner
Saw a circuit edition Corolla today and I'd probably trade my WRX for one. A hatchback s just so much more practical, and the GR has a way better designed interior instead of the stupid massive screen that is in the new Subarus. I absolutely HATE the body cladding on the WRX and would have to factor in replacements from Aeroflow dynamics into my purchase price.
Its my belief that Toyota's controlling stake is preventing Subaru from releasing an STI model until GR Corolla sales start slowing down.
I think you're right. Also ever since Toyota started influencing Subaru the personality of their cars have completely changed in my opinion.
I was wondering about this too! There are just too many sings that indicate Subaru was planning to make an Sti version also.
1. The engine is so easily can be turned.
2. The chassis is super stiff, it can handle much more
3. The “ coin holder” can be perfectly flip with an old SI drive system module.
4. In sport plus setup of the WRX GT the suspension and steering feel like an Sti.
The GR Corolla is a much better car than the STI ever was
@@MrCovert23hard to beat the STI transmission, and that’s without taking the GR overheating issue into account.
Nonsense.
Halo cars don't make money plain and simple.
I would also have to go with the GR. Even with that boring interior. The front & rear LSD and adjustable differential!
Owned a 2007 WRX TR for many years - did a lot of stuff to it, and it was always fun to drive and hoon around in. The bigger turbo (that I installed) and the hit from the boost threshold was so fun! Very theatrical. Test drove a '23 WRX and it's completely lost all its charm and character. It feels far more like an old Volvo; no drama, no fun, not really good at much. Just a comfortable daily driver.
Ended up test driving a '23 GR86 and buying it on the spot.
Where was this filmed??
Here in Canada the WRX base (PS) is $36,100, the WRX RS (TS in USA) is $44,300, and the GR Corolla Core (which includes diffs etc here) is $49,800…I have a 22 WRX PS and have yet to find an equal for the price. Hefty price gap.
They must not have gotten a core with the winter package. My core had the winter and performance package. It has heated seats and even heated wipers. Great comparison. I had a 2014 Impreza and 2017 GTI. It’s like they took the best of both and put it in a carolla lol
Can be had in my town for 30-35k new which makes it a hard to beat bargain. There is even a 2023 with 13k miles for 28k at the dealer.
When did Mirror Universe Todd take over the channel?
flexo todd
I thought the same thing!
Picking up my GR Corolla Premium tomorrow at MSRP, can't wait :D
Which dealer? Tnx
When I drove the GR Corolla I really missed having a right armrest.
Also, as a new manual driver I found it particularly touchy when rolling from a dead stop. I’m sure it’s something I’d get used to, but compared to the new Honda Civic Si the GR Corolla was unforgiving.
Had the chance to get the GR Corolla. Found it was so tiny that I can't sacrifice the wrx room. Also I'm about to pay it off so keep the Rolla with the 10k markups
Got mine for MSRP in 2023. There are MSRP deslerships. But lazy people will write it off or pay.
@DM72513 that's nice, I really wanted it. Once I got in it and saw how tiny the rear seat space was I got sad 😅 plus the mark up is ridiculous.
I'll tell you why the body cladding and why the - visually, at least - ride height appears to be higher. This generation of WRX is a vibe check by Subaru to see if the WRX customer will tolerate this car being turned into a CUV.
Just to note you can't get the winter package for Core model anymore. You have to move up to premium at $40k
I have a GR Yaris. Corolla not available in UK. For an everyday, I’d have a Golf R over the WRX, which seems to be neither comfort/luxurious nor sporty as per rally winner Gen Subarus.
Good video. I really thought the Toyota was the one, all boxes checked. Too tight inside, b pillar was on my shoulder, just not comfortable for me. Nothing wrong with the wrx but feels like its missing something, hard to articulate.
You're wrong about the Core. The Circuit Edition is the one to have. Nicer seats, carbon roof, vented hood, all the options, and a nice spoiler.
I still want Toyota to put the 3 cylinder into the GR86 for the street (it's already in the racing cars). As a bonus, I have read that it is a bit lighter than the Subaru flat-4.
Regarding priorities, I spend all my time driving behind the wheel. The car that provides the best experience behind the wheel is the one to have.
I own a '23 Subaru Forester which I bought for practicality. I should have gotten the WRX instead for the included fun, next time.
Some guys in Australia ran the engine in the GR Yaris past 30lbs of boost. The engine is not stressed. Toyota engineering FTW