The Story of The First Ones & Their Cosmic Cycle [Lore]
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- The greatest minds have tried to crack the secrets of the First Ones. We see their influence all over the Shadowlands, but research indicates that their designs might be much larger. Today we're taking a crack at it. Combining the information from the Chronicles, the Grimoire of the shadowlands and what's presented in game. Lets find out what these first ones are all about!
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Next expansion Nobbel "this is the story of the ones that created the first ones, the pre-first ones."
"The "Firstest" ones"
Ah, but what about the pre-pre-first ones?
@@xarrison8274 Silly question.. its obviously the firstestest ones... comon -> Infinite Content!
How about Zero starter
The Prime Mover
Calling it, the Maw used to be the place through which all souls passed, not Ouribos (or Ouribos used to be in the Maw). That's why it has a massive soul river with bridge architecture that seems to go back to an earlier time. That's why there are ways in and out. That's why Ouribos is stuck in some random point in the sky rather than on its own little realm in the Shadowlands.
Having no suitable place to trap the Jailer, the Eternal Ones sealed him in his own realm, and then took Ouribos (or fashioned it from some other remnant of the First One's work) and placed it where it is today, right above the Maw to intercept souls coming in. That's why souls go straight to the Maw when the Arbiter was broken: they are SUPPOSED to go to the Maw in order to meet the true Arbiter. He's called the Jailer now because instead of choosing where souls go and sending them there, he just jails them in his realm.
Perhaps Torgast did also once operate as a prison for irredeemable souls when he was the Arbiter, which would have made the realm even more apt as the prison for Zoval.
It's worth pointing out that The Maw isn't the islands within it. It's called "The Maw" because it opens to consume anything that falls/flies into it. It's some kind of cloud, maybe a sphere, that traps anything within it. As demonstrated with Korthia and Oribos, The Maw can expand to pull islands into it.
I don't believe The Maw existed before Zovaal was imprisoned. I believe Torghast is the original Oribos, including the soul river island nearby. The Maw was created around Torghast to imprison Zovaal, and the Arbiter was fashioned with Zovaal's heart to keep souls from flowing into the river and towards Torghast.
@@thor.mukbang
The river of souls immediately reminded my of the River Styx. Literally the river by which all souls come to the Underworld.
And we see the same streams of souls going to Ouribos when the Arbiter was functional, so clearly this is just how souls work when coming to the Shadowlands.
Blizzard doesn't give satisfying conclusions. They go for shock value. The Maw is just as likely to be Arthas' butthole at this point as anything else.
@@bindair_dundat
Lol.
Arthas's head is so far up his own ass that we cannot find him.
@@thor.mukbang Zorvaals ANIMA
It'd be really nice to have a 10 minute cinematic where we get to see what acctually happened with Zoval, how he was the arbiter, was cast into the maw, how he planned stuff and got stuff done, and then introduce us to the new zone in 9.2
Animated Afterlifes finale, could really redeem him as a character if handled properly, as good as Bastion.
@@kallazjopatsu6846 lmao and it never came eh?
@@Demorthus no
This is why Danuser is such a terrible writer. He never thought about it. He thought the players would be happy with "this here evil guy that we just now thought up was secretly behind the scenes of everything that ever happened in Warcraft".
I appreciatie that, unlike blizzard, you are still trying Nobbel.
I wanna see the Pantheon of Light have like beings that are inspired by biblically accurate angels, especially those winged wheels with eyes.
Thrones? Yeah, or the Seraphim. It would basically be an eyeball with wings in every direction.
@@molinaf1cation also a great way for Blizz to portray the Light in an almost lovecraftian way
Pantheon of Light: Don’t ask. The First Ones were high asf when clashing the Light and Void… :(
Only Thrones looked like that. Most Angels in the Bible look like people. Angels, Archangels, Dominions, Principalities, Powers, and Virtues all look like your run of the mill depiction of an Angel, appearing human with a single pair of wings. Seraphim are also like this, but with three pairs of wings: one pair for movement, one for covering the face, and one for covering the feet.
Thrones are the big wheels and then Cherubim look kinda like Seraphim, but have four heads: a Man, an Ox, an Eagle, and a Lion (also used to represent the four writers of the Gospels).
Barring all this, all of the Choirs of Angels are servants, including the highest Seraphim. So the Light Pantheon shouldn't look like any particular Choir, but their servants definitely should. Honestly, even the Naaru give off subtle Throne vibes, so the Throne depiction could be like an eldritch Naaru wheel
"be not afraid" bruh I'm 3 bongs deep and you come at me like that
I'd love to see Blizz bring back Arthas for a cameo, they did it for Garrosh. I also think it's time Azeroth titan worldsoul woke up. We just got an Elune speech. An expansion ago we talked with Aman'Thul. C'mon Blizz, go big.
Garrosh was such a disappointment, they could’ve done so much more with him but nope. Let’s do nothing with such a strong character who’s been enduring years of torture in ravendreft
If they bring him back the same way they did Garrosh.....I think WoW will lose its entire player base.
@@abhabh6896 it will because arthas is still the most beloved character in the game
6 months in the future... careful of what you wish for I guess
Got some bad news for you, homie.
Fun fact, the snake eating it's own tail is called an ouroboros.
That came From Mainly Nordic Mythology
Our rob or ross🙉❤
@@UltimaShadrax nooo not that shit movie
@@Kravenrogue While the symbol of a serpent/dragon eating its own tail exists in many cultures, the Ouroboros as a symbol of eternity and rebirth originated in Ancient Egypt, then was adopted by Classical Greece and really grew in popularity due to medieval alchemists.
@@WarMonger_the-One-and-Only but WoW Lore came Mainly From Nordic Mithology too, as most "Medieval" stories/games/Movies, like Lord of The Rings for example too, and WoW Lore came in parts From inspiration From LoTR too
But of course most those sagas hot inspirations From Greek Mithology, Egypt too even Christian Mithology
They are a Mix of various Mithologies, but Mainly is Nordic/"Viking" Mithology
For example Elves and "Orks" or Orcs/Ogres Dark Elves Dwarves, and many other creatures came From Norse Mithology, that LoTR got most of its Inspiration, and Then D&D, and those 2 are The base of almost any Fantasy Inspired stories
The soul of azeroth is something that each force of reality wants to control. We've already seen it contested by "evil" forces of disorder and death, but it's likely we will have to fight off corruption from the other forces of reality as well.
I felt like he just spent 15+ minutes trying his best to no say "this story is a flipping mess".
This is consistent with my own theory. Grimiores reveals the scars and runes placed on zovaal are done so by the primus in the language of the first ones. Domination magic is the method by which life and death and other forces can be bent to the will of the weilder.
The grimiores also reveal to us that the titans are made in the image of the first ones inheriting traits or aspects of them. Chronicles has long established life needs to ebb (machine of death) and flow (emerald dream/life) to develop the world soul (no shit this is all on the wiki.)
The entire purpose of the balance of all this shit is so titan souls would emerge and order reality. If you look at the cosmic chart reality is at the center of all these forces and Azeroth is the final worlds soul. The forces that finally claims it will be the one to remake reality or order it or consume it or corrupt it or whatever.
The entire expansion the jailer is screaming "DEATH COMES FOR THE SOUL OF YOUR WORLD" and the covenant leaders keep screaming "HE MADE HIS CHAINS A WEAPON."
Zovaal intends to dominate or soul bind with the slumbering world soul of azeroth for the purpose of attaining that which the entire purpose of all these forces work together to propagate life and death on planets for emergent titans.
Damn, i miss the time where i just had to help citizens.
It has just become too...Big :/
I have the impression that the people of Maldraxxus and the Primus are the real and primary inhabitant of the Shadowlands since they represent all we know/knew about death.
In comparison, all the other zones have that feeling that they were built and constructed, Maldraxxus is just a raw piece of land that had part of it stripped from it.
Not to forget that the Primus has the most knowledge about the SL, the domination magic, mourneblades, Korthia, the Sepulcher etc...
Not really, we actually knew a lot about ardewnweald too, through the emerald dream tales of rebirth.
But yeah, the militarization of death was what we most easily tied with the shadowlands. But maybe that was because we were constantly fighting them
Isn't Maldraxxus a living thing though, rather thsn an island
I'm leaning towards there is a pantheon for each of the 6 forces, and the first ones made the 6 forces and each pantheon. The titans are the pantheon of order, eternal ones are the pantheon of death, and Elune was probably on the pantheon of life. Although I think she kind of went rogue like Zoval tried to do, but was actually successful. Maybe she even "killed" the other members of her pantheon. Sargeras also went rogue and "killed" the members of his pantheon, so there's a pattern there. Maybe there is one member of each pantheon that tried to take over their respective pantheons in order to make a super pantheon with one member from each of the 6 lol.
I think the real important part about how Sylvanis first made it to the maw had to do with saronite. Remember that only the helm and blade of the lich king were forged of stygia/shadowsteel (my guess is shadowsteel is an alloy or refined form of stygia) and that the rest of the gear the lich king used was saronite forged. My thoughts are that yogg'saron betrayed the other old gods and void for the powers of death... we do know of other necrotic powers on azeroth before the lich king like galakgrond but that's one that I can't really speculate on cause we still have no idea who or what empowered galakgrond. Heck, maybe yogg'saron was the method the void used to infiltrate the shadowlands all that time ago, maybe he's the real double agent who broke zovald out of maw-prison cause what better way to end all of existence then to just empower beings who want to try to. Maybe zovald is more of a pawn then he truly thinks, we already know that many of his minions ignore him when they feel they can... like maybe that's why we don't know about what the drust are really up to?
Meh, I can speculate and I can write but honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the blizzard rot has reached the story team a long time ago and we're just working off scraps of notes from the last decent writer on their team long ago fired. Honestly, while I want to hope there is a good plan here, it's hard not to worry about the real world problems surrounding their company
I'm pretty sure that if Sylvanas was judged normally she would have ended up in Maldraxxus. She has always been a fighter who doesn't hesitate to use any means necessary to accomplish her goal: developing plagues, allying with truly despicable beings like dreadlords, stabbing old allies in the back, resurrecting both enemies and allies as new soldiers for her army and so on. She would be incredible asset for Undying Army. She also seemed to have strong sense of duty and was willing to die on battlefield defending her people but she's also way too emotional to ever be a proper Kyrian. She is antihero character and seems to have some character flaws like arrogance so maybe she could end up with short trip to Revendreth, but I don't think so. Houses of Maldraxxus would welcome her with open arms just the way she was at the end of WotLK and instead of supressing her emotions she could use them to fuel her strength.
Nobbel should be hired by blizzard (paid handsomely, full insurance, bonus incentives, plenty of vacation and retirement benefits) to be a lore presenter for the game.
If I knew all this shit while I played the game I’d have played more.
Or maybe blizzard should not rely on the community to finish the story for them. I think they come up with an idea, let the community figure it out for them, and the. Roll with it
@@stu.chainz That makes no sense, they suggested for him to be HIRED by blizzard.
Not the greatest of time to be hired by Blizz but I agree Nobbel is a freaking beast at what he does.
Here's my theory on the pantheons:
Pantheon of Order: The Titans
Pantheon of Death: The Eternal Ones
Pantheon of Life: Primal beings like Elune
Pantheon of Light: Multiple Prime Naaru (Xe'ra was one of many)
Pantheon of Void: The Void Lords, including Xal'atath who presumably went rogue (the Blade of the Black Empire was her punishment)
Pantheon of Fel: None. It makes no sense for the realm of Disorder to have a any form of leadership. It's total anarchy. Sargeras and the Legion were an anomaly.
The Void Lords are so powerful they cannot even manifest themselves in our reality. Xal is at best an old god.
@@cisstudent9796 Xal'atath being a Void Lord is just a popular theory. She could also be the 5th Old God who rebelled. But knowing Blizzard, she's most likely her own thing.
Prime Naaru are not the Pantheon of Light.
Pantheon of Light: Angels and Light Beings like Angiris Council in Diablo not Primal Naaru.
Nice fan fiction Blizzard but the canon still awaits for WC4.
They’d have to somehow get Chris metzen to write it for it to be as good
Keep dreaming. WoW is WC4
LoL at Sylvanas' claim: I sacrificed so much!
Right, she sacrificed horde, alliance, forsaken, night elves. Just nothing from herself. Now she wants to throw the entire Azeroth history under the bus. Great story writing. /Sarcasm off.
Sylvanas’ story doesn’t start after her death you know... she was quite an important leader before Arthas killed and resurrected her - its WHY he ressed her! As a punishment for being such a pain in his ass
If you consider her a villain, then that’s fine as far as story goes. It’s how they’re trying to redeem her that’s confusing, not all the dark things she’s done.
All the members of the pantheon of death can’t be all brother and sisters, because that would mean that they are all kin to Elune. As, far as we know only the Winter Queen is the literal sister of Elune. That mean that the pantheon are ´brother/sister’ in duty and not by blood.
I also wonder if the other Pantheons have at least one member who also have a brother/sister of the opposite force.
Like does one of the Titans have a brother/sister in the Pantheon of Disorder, if such a pantheon exists.
And is there a Pantheon of Light with a member who has a sibling in the Pantheon of Void?
It's always bothered me that fel was close to light and arcane was close to void. It always made more sense to me to switch their positions on the circle.
I do made a wild guess since nothing is confirmed and i am only into the story of wow through the videos of nobbel. The links between light and disorder and therefor fel is because life brings life and nature. life itself if disordered and chaotic. the only forces light can bring are these two powers. void on the other hand is death. everything is one big entity and will end up dead in one way or another, but in this death everything is orderly.
Considering the "new" cosmic map, it's most likely that the cosmic forces don't have any apparent link with each other apart from opposites. I mean, like Taliesin said in his video, the 2 maps are both cannon 2D representations of a 3D space. The only relative positions that are fixed are about the pairs of opposite cosmic forces (life is always opposite to death, void to light, order to disorder) and all converging at the realm of reality, which is why it's at the center. That's what I think.
@@kostasrh9529 thx for saying what I wanted to say! :)
When Nobel explains it, it all makes sense....
@Nobbel87 You should make a family tree video for world of Warcraft, going over all the eternal ones, titans etc
I have an idea about what the first ones created - I think it’s pretty clear that the first ones of death created orbios & that zereth mortis is their home realm, so along with that line of thought, maybe the first ones of light created Draenor (w/ ties to Narru, light empowerment of dreinai), the first ones of life created Azeroth, which makes Azeroth & other planets a target for the spawn of the first ones of void (old gods) bc their first ones only created the twisting nether for them, the first ones of order created the titans to defend/provide order to life, and the first ones of disorder created the legion. Boom
…and yes, I’m assuming that the “void lords” are the first ones of void
I want the reveal of the first ones to be in the style of the reveal of the greater power in the WWF
It was me Austin. It was me all along Austin
Elune possessing Tyrande looking kinda Voidy. Void lord maybe?
"Drown beneath a circle of stars"
Also sounds like ardenweld where the massive trees swirl in a circle with the stars. ALSO with the mount quest there where you go to "the other side" of Ardenweld to find the horse has the same background music from the visions of N'zoth!
Something's up!
that is true!
Well to point out a simplicity element of it. A race called "Night" Elves, would generally be associated with "Void" or "Darkness" in most fantasies.
I'm of the mind that Zovaal was able to pull Sylvanas into the Maw because of Uther. He was the one who dropped Arthas into the Maw - a soul with plenty of anima. It could've given him just enough power to pull her in.
The Jailor could have used Devos or even Helya to intercept Sylvanas' soul.
@@jaydub8576 I don't think Devos was in contact with the Jailer by that point.
@Lichdemon Well.... considering that the shadowy little room we went to in torghast which contained the missing piece of Uther's soul also contained other souls claimed by Frostmourne (including kel'thuzad's, dath'remar's, uther's, and some others) .....then I very much suspect it would have contained part of Sylvanas' soul when Frostmourne originally turned her into a banshee. According to this changed lore... supposedly Zovaal made the Frostmourne blade itself so he had a grasp on her soul long before she jumped off the top of Icecrown. When she did jump off and supposedly die....he could either have one of his corrupted val'kyr drop her off back in the world of the living.... "or" what we have learned of the Limbo quest in Bastion... the Kyrians have a rule not to take any soul that was raised with necromancy. Quite the opposite, they are required to send it back, even if it doesn't want to go. So whichever one of those two possibilities....Sylvanas would have been taken back to Azeroth under the control of whatever necromancy made her a banshee. And since that stopped being the Lich King during warcraft 3....that meant the only thread of necromancy that made her a banshee was her captured soul fragment in Frostmourne...which was in the possession of Zovaal; even after the blade itself broke.
I don't think that he even needed it. The Nine Val'kyr were working for Helya, who was working for the Jailer. They could just took Sylvanas' soul to and from the Maw. That's why we find the 'dead' Val'kyr in the Maw. They just stayed there.
@@laertesindeed that's a good point.
So like, the physical plane is the “mysterious” 7th power right? With how many cosmic beings we’ve defeated at what point do they start considering us as a rival power?
i got a small theory...
what if..
what if Azeroth is actually the Arbiter???
what if Azeroth was meant to become a titan that house the soul of the Arbiter??
what if Zoval made Sageras go mad by making him believe that to defeat the void he has to destroy every thing?
what if Sageras with his obssesion to destroy all life Stab Azeroth as the last world left and that cause the Arbite to shut down??
The Arbiter shut down during Legion, so what if Azeroth's soul is the counter part of the Arbite and her getting stab meant that the Arbiter felt the shock??
WHAT IF THE FIRST ONES CREATED AZEROTH TO HOUSE THE ARRBITER'S SOUL SO IN THE SHADOWLANDS SHE WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO DEFEAT AND THAT IS WHY ZOVAL WANTED DEATH FOR AZEROTH??HE MUST BE DEATH...
death comes for the soul of your world...
Interesting idea
I like this. The dreadlords working behind sargeras but their loyalty to denathrius. Sargeras stabbed Azeroth thus shutting down the arbiter and affecting the shadowlands now denathrius has access to anima, sylvanas has made a pact with death and opens the sky for death to be released, Zovaal. Now the tables have turned on sylvanas and zovaal escapes with controlled anduin to the waystone, to Azeroth, to silithus where the final battle will take place. Denathrius in remornia gets released now the plot twist… denathrius finds out or has already known that zovaal cheated and betrayed the plan. Denathrius and the dreadlords vs zovaal and his army. How will Azeroth wake up? Have no idea but I’m assuming the infinity ball in his chest and the sword to be removed from Azeroths heart.
Actually it makes sense that the arbiter shuts down after sargeras stabs the heart of Azeroth
But it's confirmed that the jailer used to be the arbiter.
but isnt the arbiter a construct made to stay in the place zovaal had? they took his escence and divinity to make the arbiter
we know that the dreadlords informed Sargaeras of the Void Lords and the possibility of a Void Titan, but they follow Denathrius first and foremost. I don't think they'd be interested in Zovaal's plan unless Denathrius was cool with it
a little push for the algorithm. I love you Nobbel
What if Xal'atath called Elune that 'upstart goddess' is due she caused WoW's big bang?
This could explain how she embodies and her followers can wield light-like and void-like magic. And they can be proficient users of Light and Void.
Every race that can be a priest...
I would expect a non banshee sylvanas to be sent to maldraxus, she was a ranger general, a defender of her people. Now she would get her shot at atonement in revendreth before possibly going there.
She's not dead yet tho
Knowing Blizzard, the First Ones are the first only until the story need a bigger thing behind them. "Oh hey guys, we are the Before-First Ones! We were totally the original beings!"
"Oh you think? We are the Before-Even-That Ones!"
Yeah it goes the first ones, the all-builders, then the originators, the primogenitors, and the prime-movers, until we straight up fight the writers themselves and the game shuts down after the first mythic kill.
21:05 "Used it as an excuse for her deeds." You freakin called it! Saw the bad writing on the wall!
The Soul splintering storywise seems like it was meant to soften you up to the idea that Sylvanas's soul was also damaged. Since that is true, obviously we all wonder if a massive uhh soul pardon would come but even Uther does say. Its not necessarily Uther going to bastion is all noble and good and the one that went to Frostmourne is just all the negatives. It seems to be just a part of you is lost.
It will be interesting to see Sylvanas's response to being whole again. Its 50/50 on her being just as determined that the cycle had to be broken and she justifies herself blah blah blah, cause well Sylvanas and she isn't Uther. I don't see them just pardoning her, she may just decide to work on her own and try and stop Zovaal instead of telling us info. I know the general internet sentiment is not wanting to work with her and I agree...mostly but she knows Zovaal best(outside of the big man himself) and we need her.
IMO we should prepare our minds with the possibility that Sylvanas may end up taking Zovaal's old job but.....actually do it better(Basically she is now a psuedo god of death). The other possibility is she might mindwipe her painful memories(Undeatth and so on and so forth).
What I'm worried about is.....poor Anduin and I'm feeling rather cynical on that front.
You forget that Sylvanas was raised in undeath by Frostmoure, which is the power of the Maw. That could be why she is destined for the Maw.
i think her soul shard the jailor held is supposed to explain that yea? like a sylvanas lo-jack xD
Curious...With all of the past characters that have been shown in the Shadowlands, including Arthas, and Garrosh, where are King Varian Wrynn and Saurfang? Little bit surprised they have not been at least 'seen', unless I missed that part.
I’m rooting for Zovaal.
elune as the goddess of life seems like a logical choice but very boring in my opinion. we waited almost twenty years for this mysterious figure to turn out to be nothing more than a titan of life.
not very creative and just boring choice
Re-watch the heart of the forest cinematic where they restore it, it seems to imply that Elune is more aligned with death.
Eonar is the Titan of life/nature. Elune is probably exclusive the pantheon of life but probably not a titan.
The more the story is explained to me, the more questions I have because too much of it doesn't make any sense.
true
Where Uther was stabbed left a wound on his soul. When Zoval got his sigil back it shows a stabbed wound in his chest.. So when the Primus dominated him did he stab him?
they ripped out his sigil, and since primus held the blade/helm of domination design in his mind, its possible he used that to take out the arbiter's sigil and then used domination magic (which they did) to seal him inside the maw.
Part of me wonders if none of the 6 cosmic forces had any "personification" beings in our reality until a lesser deity created them. There would have definitely been "Light" as a force, and "Arcane" as a force, and "Void" as a force....but the smaller beings with minds and voices and preferences and goals which we recognize from those forces are not those forces themselves. The Naaru do not create the Light...they just prefer it, and have goals with it, and use it. Same with Titans, they are not Arcane itself...they did not create the Arcane...they just prefer it, and have goals with it, and use it. Likewise with the void lords, they are not Void itself...they did not create the Void...they just prefer it, and have goals with it, and use it. So what if a deity that is lesser than the First Ones ended up "creating" beings that would associate themselves with those forces? This could have been Elune. Even if Elune was only a being associated with the force of Life...maybe it was an impulse of that pantheon to create Life for other cosmic forces. So maybe Elune created the Naaru, and the Void lords, and the Titans, and the Eternals of death, and any pantheon beings that may exist for disorder which we've never heard of..... ? And no, Elune would not have created the Life force itself, she would also just prefer it and have goals for it and use it. Elune would have emerged into existence because the non-personified Life force just does that as one of its' functions. Creating the personified beings of each force would also help to explain why Eonar lives on, and hides in, a place called Elunaria. And it would help to explain why X'era believes that all Naaru were created by Elune. And it would explain why there is a winter queen who needs help from a more powerful Elune to return nature gods back to reality.
If the Winter Queen is rebirthing souls shouldn't she be the goddess of life? And Elune who took the souls from Teldrassil the goddess of death?
In the cutscene in game where they restore the heart the winter queen says something like "the forces of life and death working together once more" as the sigil changes to show a light and a dark half.
No not exactly. WQ's purpose is like a hibernation or winter theme.
People have compared it to that image of life sending gifts to death. WQ sends them back. A bridge between the two domains, the portal in ardenweald where we did the whole night warrior ritual thing
I wonder whats happening on Azeroth as there is no way Boralus should of been attacked by pirates when they have such as large fleet. Is Turalyon sending them to attack something because hes in charge of the alliance's forces
You are truly blessed to keep making a way out of no way.
They did in fact acknowledge the waystones respond to us due to “our connection to a unique world soul.” Just FYI.
Jailer intends to use domination magic or to soul bind with the world soul of azeroth for the purpose of dominating reality. It's pretty obvious and constantly thrown in our face that death comes for our world and his chains are a weapon. Grimiores reveals the primus marked zovaal with his scars in the language of the first ones.
The entire purpose of life/death is to propagate on planets to develop the emergent world souls.
@@gokibros4451 hmmm this is an interesting idea.
Chaos pantheon should be bonkers.
Bunch of prehistoric demon lords like the Prime Evils from Diablo, only greener.
I'm confused. I was under the impression that Uther's comments (not the voice acted) reenforced the idea that the soul splitting influenced someones actions. Wouldn't it make sense that the portion of his consciousness that was 'frozen in time' would have been the part that would have kept him from making the choices he must now reflect upon? After having their souls split both Uther and Sylvanas did things that were grossly our of character for their living self. (the magnitude of the crime isn't a factor. The only question is were they in complete control of their faculties or not.)
Yep you're right
Uther mentions how his soul wasn't split into noble and cruel rather a portion of him frozen in time. So the splintered being that he was still had the capabilities of making choice, of doing 'right'. The return of a full soul, the part that was frozen in time...I imagine it looking at the man he became, the choices he made, the road walked from a PoV of the man he was back on Azeroth and be like WOAH...how did that happen. Reflection. Similar thing for sylvanas. They give a description to how she was in life during Edge of Night. That part would now be WOAH and offer reflection/new look on things.
@@Nobbel87 I agree with that. It just seems to me that whatever was in those crystals had to have been the thing that made the difference between Uther and Sylvanas doing a 'thing' and not doing a 'thing.' What if the crystal contains their (lets call it )"Moral Willpower"; The thing that keeps you from pushing a racist jackass down a flight of stairs. You know there is a certain justification for doing it, but it's just wrong to do. What if that filter is gone, and then a 'friend' or authority figure gives you a job, and whispers in your ear "It's okay. It's for the best. It's the right thing to do." At that point how much responsibility do they bear for ... let's say ... tossing a soul or burning a tree. :) They should both, but especially Sylvanas, suffer emotionally while coming to terms with what they've done. But in term of justice and punishment I think they both have a pretty good 'diminished capacity' defense.
(Side note: This only applies to a fantasy world where something like this can be torn from you body/soul. In the rl where some people just show poor judgement it's a different story.)
I hope my book arrives as well one day. COPIUM
@@jvo1464 Sad but true.
Maybe the difference between Sylvanas and Uther is that the part of her soul that was not sucked into Frostmourne was made into a Banshee, her soul had the Maw fingerprint on it when she died, so she went straight there. Wonder why Arthas didn't raise Uther, big lost opportunity to create a powerful Death Knight right there ;D. I kept wondering where she would have gone. The Grimoire makes it sound like Ardenweald is only for druids, shamans and hunters. That is probably missing a few, as priestesses of Elune would most likely end up there, I think.
Sylvanas was a ranger (i.e. hunter) and the Folks & Fairytales story makes it seem like Ardenweald would be her destination. I thought of Bastion as well, she was (even in undeath) very dedicated to serving her people. But I think Bastion is more fit for those who are less independent. she didn't really have an almost absolute respect for authority like, say, Uther.
Here's a question: Where would Arthas end up naturally?
I think he'd have all of his excess pride extracted at Revendreth and then either (depending on which intentions strike more true) be:
- Part of Bastion on his way to Redemption with Uther as a valiant defender, perhaps even becoming a Paragon of Wisdom of some sort
or
- Be a part of Maldraxxus due to his aggressive style of combat and tactical mind. I say Maldraxxus because he's always been very forward in his thinking even as a Paladin, wanting to do what's best for his people, rather than what the Light would want him to do.
I came up with some kind of theory. Mean Nobbel talked about first souls in Shadowlands. But what if Eternal Ones are the first mortal souls. Mean when them died, First Ones realized that them didn't have afterlife. So them made one and used first mortal souls to make Pantheon of Death. That is why them aren't like aren't soulless machines doing just their duty as Death Pantheon. We see them get angry, happy, sad etc. Be more mortal like.
Also what if all the SL realms were like Maw and Korthia before. Shaped by First Ones. But since Eternal Ones took realms for themselves to lead. It transformed represent more of them and Korthia/Maw were left without master (consirning Jailer was Arbiter so he might not had realm like others). Them stayed pure.
We need like a freaking "Interview with a Titan". I mean, what does the Winter Queen do that prevents her from answering a few questions?
"Oh, Luney? She's my younger sister. Her, Eony and I used to be pretty close when we were younger -- talking 'bout boys, braiding each others hair, all that stuff. But as our parents put more and more responsibilities on me and Eony -- you know like this whole cycle of life and death thing -- she was starting to feel jealous. She did all sorts of things to get papa's attention. You wouldn't believe the guys she started dating. You know, the ones not even the Father of All Life would approve of. Those Void dudes were the worst..."
"Interesting.. you said "papa's attention".. who is your papa?"
These new hallow , confusing and seemingly a last minute call type of lore is very boring and lame , but Nobbel makes it worth watching shitty ass lore like this again :)
the lore was far better when the dark god created the orcs and used the portal to bring them to azeroth
Yeah, its just going nowhere here.
@@diegochatard-caraballo5848 😭
@loveyourself3246 this isn't expanding on anything they retconned shit to add this bullshit that's universally hated
@loveyourself3246 and I disagree with you. especially when elune was at one point a titan a titan ++ then the true goddess and now a titan we don't need the game to mirror real life it's poor story telling shows no imagination this constant retconing has ruined the game especially adding more and more science fiction things to this game
You know the fact fel is the only cosmic force to not have prophecies makes a lot of sense. It is all about chaos. How do you predict something when your entire thing is surrendering yourself to the inherent unpredictability of the universe. Maybe that is why Sargeras was so sure they would win, because no other cosmic force can truly predict what fel is capable of.
My theory is that wold souls are *not* destined to become titans. My theory is that they are neutral eggs. Which is why lots of forces want their hands on them. It just so happens that the force of Order (the titans) was just the best - or atleast the most present from our point of view - at marching acrost the cosmos systematically and designing world souls into Titans. What if The First Ones were world-souls that were born of *all* forces?
i believe the issue with shadowlands is the fact that the lore was shoe horned in
The whole sequence of events happened within a small period of time (1 expansion) with no foreshadowing. I also believe that if it was made in 2 parts (for example bfa could have foreshadowed the existence of the jailer) as 2 different expansions would have been a better experience.
Who is manta in wow lore? Was mentioned 1time in the book day of the dragon when krasus was trying to get in contact with ysera via drinking a poison to enter the emerald dream
"In the beginning, there was Light and there was Void''
*half a minute later*
"From the absense of Light, a new power emerged, called the Void"
WHAT is it now?!
so from what it reads as the jailer set alot of things in place. if you think of what the jailer was after and how he set things to be means the first ones set these things into be do to there foresight. proof is if you look at the portal in the maw was only for the maw walker and so many other little things they left that the maw walker used to set things right. so this means the first ones knew someone like the jailer would do what he did and someone with a specific soul they would come to stop him. so everything that happens is something they set in motion.
anyone else had a rome total war vibe when you saw the font used behind the credits
Damn, We got here fast!
Got one question still.
Why does the jailer look different 22:07? Is iot the jailer?
And why does the primus look different compared to his statue in the seat of the primus?
Back then they hadn't decided what the Jailer was going to look like. As for the Primus... no idea. It makes no sense.
What Shadowlands did to the lore is hard to forgive
Pretty sure Xal’atath is connected to/part of the void pantheon.
First ones, Vorlons and Shadows.
So if Legion focused on Disorder, BFA focused on Void, and Shadowlands is obviously focusing on Death, does that mean we’re getting expansions focused on each of the other three? A Titan expansion would be super cool
I honestly want more grounded stories.
@@kallazjopatsu6846 If there’s one thing WoW is good at it’s telling small scale stories in the midst of big conflicts so I think even if we end up with a expac in space fighting the Void itself, there will still be grounded stories
What is the afterlife of the shadowlands?
The purpose is to funnel all the spread out life into the shadowlands in neatly organized parts to funnel the energy from every single life in the universe to the first ones, that is the purpose
I kind of want to say that maybe the jailor convinced Sylavnas that he was using domination magic because it was the only magic available to him after it was forced on him by the Primus and he would use it if he had to so that he could 'free' everyone from the cycle (obvious lie) and that after he gained his power back from the arbiter he would stop using it altogether (another obvious lie). However the story plays out it is still stupid that Sylvanas fell for blatant lies, she was known for her cunning and just not questioning anything that the jailor said was stupid writing.
Sylvanas becomes a kyrian and has her memories wiped and serves there
first that map at 2:10 is really similar to D&D 5e cosmos map, second that mention of " eac hgave a portion of themselves " remind me of the creation of Tolkien universe .
How was there no mention of the first ones in the life realm. Surely the titans, elune, old gods, and the Naruu would know about them
Chronicles vol 1 said: no one knows when the 1st titan woke up in short how would the titans be the creators of the warcraft universe if they already awoken at the time of its creation
Cosmology has no place in warcraft RIP lore 2002-2014
I don't much mind it as long as it is done well
@@howardhavardramberg7160 Except it's not.
It could be that life and death didn't exist before the First Ones created the Shadowlands and the "Lifelands", just like the Old Gods don't experience death as other things do.
I also think the High Mountain Tauren's story about the two eyes, one being the moon, and the other the sun or something is an allusion to the winter queen and elune. On the cosmic forces map the dream and slands circle reality just beyond its realm. The purpose of life and death has always been for world souls to develop into titans. That is the purpose of the ED and SL and are developing the world souls of planets. The titans were also aware of this and ordered planets for the propagation of life so that the world soul would develop and emerge.
I know who they are! They're devs... know everything what will happend, created everything, and can change everything!
Hmm would you say that primus could set up the jailer and everyone to fight each other ? Why with all their powers they sat back while champions tried to stop him ?
This recap makes reminds me why soo many people stopped playing the lore is just messy and barely fits and works. And the great ancient powerful entities are as dumb as sheep and just don't fit the role they apparently have done for ages
Funny thing is I came just days ago apon a Broker that calls Oribos itself a "maschine"
The more answers we get the more questions I have.
The more answers we get the less I care.
@@TETRADECAGONE This.
Odyn should have been a covenant leader all along. What he does is literally same with others except he does not seek for anima but worthy battles.
Odyn was a titan creation. He was made to fight the old gods that had infested Azeroth. So he's kinda like an Eternal Ones' little nephew.
it is unknown if there are also pantheon of shadow/void/darkness that are inspired by demons and creatures of darkness pantheon of life that are inspired by animals and beings of nature pantheon of order that inspired by angels and beings of order pantheon of disorder that inspired by demons and beings of chaos.
This channel is the only place where WoW can still be interesting. Story presented in a logical way.
Too bad the game is the opposite, on top of being just horribly designed.
it's so weird that there are completely separate realms from reality for only 2 of the 6 forces.
Like the Shadowlands aren't the same as the power of death or a realm of pure death. all other 5 forces seem to still be present in them. There's just so much we don't know either because blizzard wants to keep things open for now or just stuff that hasn't been clearly addressed. why have a pantheon of death when it works fundamentally different in its own realm than the titan pantheon? Though it seems interesting that both pantheons have members that are aligned with forces other than the one assigned to them. Eonar is a bridge to life for the titans and so is the Winter Queen in the Shadowlands. On the other hand, they don't seem to go all the way with this either? Like there's obviously no void aligned titan f.e. or the whole Sargeras thing wouldn't have made sense in the first place. Same thing in the shadowlands.
Look at how they massacred my boy.
Fyi a snake eating itself as a symbol is called oroboros
Thank you Nobbel!! You videos continue to be great !! Warcraft 4forever !
I klnow who the first ones are. They are a desperate attempt from blizzard to put another "first" before the titans. And after that we will have the first first ones, the first first first ones, etc.
Nobody is supposed to be able to leave the maw except the player, but still Zovaal manage to send Frostmourn on Azeroth ?
Ups or Purolator ?
How did he communicated with the Legion, the Lich King or Nerzhul ?
I thought Blizzard has great stories, but Shadowlands destroyed it all.
First ones vs void lords
I have a problem with that, void is nothing. It’s the opposite of reality not light, shadow is the opposite of light. Void and shadow are different things.
Great video
what if soul of Azeroth is in fact the first one in slumber.
what if the six forces are the remains of the first ones
I think zovaal mightve been Corrupted the maw
How Sylvanas ended in the Maw?
Blizzard poor writting.
So the first ones is just another name for Warcraft's story writers xD
I think sylvanas go to the maw because she did not have a soul and arbiter can not judge what does not have a soul