I think one of the most disgusting messages was the fact they tried to portray Onestar killing Darktail as a noble sacrifice like Bristlefrost killing Ashfur. The set up, the writing, the Onestar thinking of all his family and feeling happiness and warmth as he died- THEY BLATANTLY RIPPED OFF THEIR OWN ENDING. However the two situations aren’t even comparable. While Onestar hid and cowered his entire life in fear of Darktail and the consequences of his actions, Bristlefrost realized her mistakes and worked tirelessly to repair them immediately. When she saw her friend was in danger, she didn’t have a second thought before running in to save him without a single concern for herself. Onestar would rather save his own pelt then even attempt to help anyone. Bristlefrost drowning Ashfur was truly the ultimate sacrafice of love and compassion pushed on a cat far too young, then given a permadeath. Onestar drowning Darktail was just him barely managing to finally atone for his sins and make his pathetic life worth something. I can genuinely say this was the worst Warriors book since SH, but this was one of the more egregiously tilting things.
Plus there was something really special about Bristlefrost drowning happy, thinking about her loved ones, in dark forest water that were specifically described multiple time as absorbing all hapinness from you. There was so much still waiting for her, and she sacrificed it not to make up for a mistake, but because it was the right thing to do.
Exactly! What a hypocrite. He'd probably go as far as trying to keep a single whisker or even hair over ACTUALLY being decent and actually raising the son he had. Oh but if it's "his" precious Whitetail it's the end of the world. He literally goes doing all of the horrible things he's done then expects the love of everyone. Ngl he kinda reminds of Clear Sky when he does that.
Fully agree, I feel like ever since after omen of stars or dawn of the clans it just got bad. It’s not the same anymore, comparing book 1 to the newest book feels like a whole different author, maybe even a fanfic. What does oh stand for?
Reading this book was rather painful. Onestar goes on and on about how much he’s suffering because of the decisions he has to make, but does literally nothing to improve anything. He’s the biggest hypocrite I’ve ever had the displeasure to read about.
I wish Mudfur became the new leader. All because stupid pacifist Tallstar didn't like the fact that they were wild cats who fought. Mudfur was just doing what he thought was right for the clan, and even if Mudfur was in the wrong I really doubt he would do worse than Onestar.
Exactly. He was okay before he became leader (like in the first arc). And then this book comes out... Wtf? He pushed Firestar, one of his friends, away, creepily falls in love with HIS OWN APPRENTICE and has KITS with her, then goes after another she-cat, has a kit with her, then just leaves her. In other words, he's a creep, a hypocrite, and a deadbeat.
Wow, just wow utterly disgusting what warrior cat had just produced. I though with all the hate from the one chapter maybe they would think about re writing it maybe scrap the writing and post pone the arrival date. BUT NOOOO, they need new writers. I love warrior cats to be honest but there newer books are losing what I feel in love with in warrior cats, I think it time The Erin hunters hand over the warrior cats book to someone who can give it back the warrior spark. I just hope maybe they will take away the book and rewrite it if it possible, idk tho I’m just angry right now.
All of the books were already printed and ready for distribution... It's ridiculous to say they should scrap every book and rewrite and reprint... You people seem to forget that while we're waiting for book 2 of the new arc, 3 and 4 are already fully written. Book 2 is already printed.
People forgetting how Dustpelt was showing interest in Fernpaw as an apprentice and that was just considered okay. Hmmm. WC team always throws female characters off to be mothers, if they don't die in horrifying ways to make a male character sad.
the line about atonement is so hollow when you think about a cat like juniperclaw, who died in an incredibly similar way to onestar- drowning -to atone for what he did, and was denied a place in starclan, and then talked down to *by* onestar himself afterwards. juniperclaw's own father died because of onestar's negligence! yet juniperclaw gets sent to cat hell being told "you shouldn't have done it in the first place, it's no good being sorry" while onestar gets a free pass. starclan is utterly corrupt.
How does warrior cats continuously manage to pump out inherently abusive, toxic relationships and plot points? Like how have they NOT realized what they are doing wrong and tried t9 fix it. How have they NOT realized the amount of toxicity and hate that they promote. Squilf and Bramble’s relationship (tho debated) being relationship, literally how all of ThunderClan BASHED squilf (and we all know it’s cuz she was a she-cat), The way they claim Frecklewish deserved to be in the dark forest with little to no book evidence and the other, male, cats involved with WAY MORE POWER over the situation than Fredklewish get off scott free! AND NOW THIS! It’s genuinely revolting to see how much disgusting content is present in the undertones of these books, and yet NOTHING is done when the fandom points it out. KIDS are reading this stuff and thinking it’s okay, BECAUSE THEY DON’T KNOW ANY BETTER! Honestly. Extremely disappointed with the whole of the writing crew.
Dont forget about the r/niceguy and incel defending when it came to Ashfur and Bumblestripe, while Ashfur was depicted as a villain the Erins did a horrible job of showing that you shouldnt be like Ash or Bumble, and that their actions were not justified even if a girl they liked rejected them. Which led to both girls getting bashed by the fandom for years because the Erins basically taught children that a man is entitled to a woman's affections because he is 'nice' and likes them
@@0iqgremlin414 oh Ofc, ofc. Cant forget that. Literally flashbacks to all the clan yelling at Dovewing like “but he’s so nice” “why don’t u like him” “he’s good for u.” SO WHAT! She doesn’t HAVE to like Bumble romantically for all that, and he needs to learn how to ACCEPT it. These books I stg
@Idotic Moron well yeah. But like I was more saying that by the way the hunters have been writing, if she’d been male, she wouldn’t have got it as bad. Not by a long shot.
Considering as HarperCollins is such a notable publishing company it's amazing they haven't put a stop to it... Oh wait... The warriors series is still making so much money that HarperCollins will milk it. Think at some point we have to turn our eyes from the authors and look at the fact the publishing house is still allowing this nonsense.
"He would've been evil anyway" Warrior cat favourite excuse to make up for bad behaviour "You sacrifice your life, that's honorable" Juniperclaw shifting in uncontrolable anger in a corner. At least HE truly meant good and realized what he was doing was wrong. This whole book feels like a retcon of the ACTUAL confession from Onestar. The one from AVOS.
It's pretty messed up and confusing for me. Some cats that don't deserve to do to the Dark Forest are in it but Starclan has some really awful cats in it too. Some of them could've been prevented and could've had a good redemption but that never happens. For example, Mapleshade killed because she was kicked out and her kits drowned then her mate left her. It could've been prevented if her mate didn't leave her or maybe her leader should've let the kits stay until they're old enough to travel around. No one even tried to help her.
What makes me baffled is that suddenly StarClan did a trial on Squirrelflight and Leafpool, but nothing like that was done for someone who did worse like Onestar. 🤦🏽♀️ Idk what’s worse, the possibility of the writers having a hatred for men characters or the objectification of female characters
but nothing like that was done for someone who did worse like Onestar. 🤦🏽♀️ It actually was, although he wasn't presented in front of the cats who judged him, he was left alone to reflect on his life *while* he was judged in the background.
I hate that Warrior Cats keeps pushing this "born evil" narrative in their special editions. It takes away all agency and responsibility. Hated reading Yellowfang's Secret for that reason, too, it makes Brokenstar a completely useless character to say "oh well he was an evil newborn baby :) no one couldve changed that :)) "
5:40-6:17 so SquirrelFlight’s Secret gets out BrambleClaw flies off the handle breaks up with her immediately and doesn’t speak to her again and makes her anxious with how cold he is towards her Because deep down she desperately wants to make it up to him OneStar’s past relationship Get out no consequences star clan did not tell him to do this or keep it secret or have an affair with a kitty pet whitetail only goes I wish you had told me and there are no consequences other than him drowning himself…. I can’t tell if that’s sexist or just massive SquirrelFlight Bias sigh
"No consequences other than him drowning himself" When you put it that way I'd rather be alive xD But more seriously, it's even worse considering Squirrelflight had to make a case for a place in Starclan, for a lie that wasn't even her (and was imposed on her by starclan). Onestar went it with no issue because he "sacrificed his life" something other cats have done and are still waiting for a place in starclan (*look toward Juniperclaw*)
OneStar’s past relationship Get out no consequences star clan did not tell him to do this or keep it secret or have an affair with a kitty pet whitetail only goes I wish you had told me and there are no consequences other than him drowning himself…. He spent his entire life swirling down a path of insanity, his grandchild was kidnapped and almost died, and was haunted by his moral compass
Whitetail HAD a personality before this book. She was sharp, mature, authoritative, and blunt. This is shown when she and Crowfeather save Jaypaw when he falls in the lake and during the beaver quest I checked the wiki, turns out in Shattered Sky, she was completely outraged at Onestar and basically called him a disgrace to the Clans
This may be controversial, but we need more female cats like blue star. Before she went crazy, she had a deeper personality than just a soft girlfriend cat. She was mature, responsible, and had a deeper story. She wasn’t a side character, in my opinion.
@DetectiveMisery Well they have to have some kind of motivation to be villains. Otherwise it's just cliche. I feel like Mapleshade's conflicts are actually somewhat nuanced. Not all the stuff that happened was her fault.
@@groudonvert7286 juniper didn’t even get any cats killed onestar was an incel who got I-don’t-even-know-how-many cats killed Onestar broke the code more times than juniperclaw H O W did juniper do worse than this asswhipe Please tell me now
@@legrandliseurtri7495 that's what made me mad the most is he let innocent cats die by not giving them the herb they need and still end up in Star clan
I feel like 99% of the main female characters' story arc is something to do with a relationship or kits. Almost every major female character I can think of had a relationship/kit problem. - Leopardstar had that whole thing with Frogleap and Mosspelt - We all know Squirrelflight's Ash/Bramble drama - Bluestar got rid of her kits to become deputy - Spottedleaf... yeah - Yellowfang had that fiasco with Raggedstar - Cinderpelt apparently had a crush on Firestar - Mapleshade was exiled because of her kits' father - Bristlefrost started out with a crush on Stemleaf then (sort of) got with Rootspring - Sunbeam was broken up with immediately and now it seems the writers are setting up a Sun X Night plot Like, we need more female characters who are strong and independent. I'm tired of the whole "She-cat having mate/kit issues" whole thing. I don't mind if they have a mate or kits, but don't make that like a major turning point in their plot. I also am sick of the stereotypical "Soft, kind, sweet, etc" she-cats. Like I want a tough she-cat. But after this book, I doubt we'll ever get a female character like that.
I always hated OneStar for ditching Firestar as a friend and practically stirring xenophobia towards Thunderclan, affecting an already dysfunctional family (NightCloud and CrowFeather's) to the point they fanatically denied Crow had anything to do with his kits from LeafPool despite the obvious... But this book is a bit much to drive that point across. This book literally say that the Warrior cats society is corrupt, and you can be an abusive, manipulative sociopath, you can still be rewarded, while your victims are reduced to empty shells of their former selves, if they are even given any... Considering these two, which he called "Mates" were female... consider that, as far as I am aware, women write these books. Women wrote SpottedLeaf's Heart, women wrote every book with the new and abusive Bramblestar in it, and women wrote.. everything! This is concerning. What happens during the production of these books?
2:36 Bro the “seen her as a kit in the nursery” really weird me out like- Imagine hearing a grown man say “man I never thought when I first saw her as a baby that he would end up being my wife” 🤮
All I can say is that this book made me hate Onestar even more. Just, wow, what a truly awful character that I thought belonged in the dark forest to begin with when just reading the books not focused solely on him.
All of this makes me feel like Tallstar got hooked on catnip in his later years, and is on catnip constantly in starclan. 🤦♀️ His treatment of those two alone I dont think Tallstar would of stood for.
I feel like they were trying to paint Onestar in this sympathetic light, trying to show that he really was a good guy who just made bad choices, but instead they showed him to be an even worse cat than we first thought. At this point there are very little redeemable qualities in Onestar. He should have gone to the Dark Forest, especially since there are cats there that were sent to the DF for waaaaaay less. He's selfish, cruel, and cowardly, and he nearly let the Clans be destroyed by the son he abandoned all because he refused to take responsibility for his actions until the very last second. He may have sacrificed himself at the end to stop Darktail, but that doesn't redeem him of all the other horrible things he's done up until that point. One good thing doesn't make up for a life time of bad behavior.
I think his morality is ambiguous enough where you could argue either way because he didn't just do one good thing. He risked his life for a younger cat on the Great Journey not once, but twice(one of which was a ShadowClan kit), stood up for Brushpaw, forgave the Dark Forest trainees, helped ThunderClan with the badgers, etc.
ikr like that's what Im saying, Juniperclaw literally saved all the clans, starclan, and kitty hell, but he doesn't get to actually go to Starclan?? I felt the purest feeling of anger while seeing Juniperclaw not going to Starclan for saving the world
@@EmperorBelossss The writers literally intended for that to be a message that StarClan isn't perfect. Complaining about the book for this reason is weird.
@@shadowyzephyr I know but it's still pretty unfair that starclan said "no redemption" to juniperclaw and only let him guard the tunnel after he literally saved the entire world.
I just realized Onewhisker/One star and Clear Sky both kinda have some similarities. So both had one son, and both mothers were from outside of the Clans. They both refused to raise their own sons, and they both got love in the end. Clear Sky and Star Flower have their kits, and then Onestar and Whitetail had Heathertail. They're both hypocrites and deadbeats, and they're both creepy. Like Clear Sky literally got together with his own son's ex gf! And Onewhisker got together with his own apprentice! In other words, they both chose mates that were way younger than them. And they both went moping around "regretting" their choices instead of doing something about it! And ofc, they get away with it. Just realized they were both leaders, and pushed away everyone else. I hope I'm not the only one who's noticed this. Like they "conviently" have pretty much the same story? Why? Warrior Cats just isn't the same anymore, it's not the story I used to love as a kid. Since I was in the 4th or 5th grade..
Comparing onestar and whitetail to starflower and clearsight is a literal insult to the star x clear ship lmfao Star flower and clear sight were there for each other, they had similar experiences that they bonded from, starflower ACTUALLY HAD A PERSONALITY OTHER THAN BEING A MATE Say what you will, but dragging this ship so far down to crap like one x white isn’t fair, JUST because clearsky’s son simped for her
Somehow the writers thought it was a good idea to mention the apprentice thing. No one would have complained if that was never pointed out nor made canon. This book made Onestar appear much more disturbing than he already was. No wonder it’s called “Onestar’s *Confession”* 💀
Let’s gooo. Another bga video. I definitely agree with your main opinion on this story. I haven’t read onestar’s super edition, and I’m so glad I didn’t. This book really did all the cats dirty, Onestar, whitetail, smoke, and so much more. When I pictured onestar’s super edition it would be so much better. Sadly the Warrior cats story team would not fulfill our request. In addition, I strongly dislike the way they format the she-cats as blanks slates with no personality. This book isn’t Onestar (they shouldn’t have transformed him from Onewhisker to this abomination with a proper execution) and there is no way I can see anyone forgiving him in this book. When I predicted onestar’s super edition I predicted it to be primarily on understanding him as a character, and not even that is explained. The manga was literally the only good thing about this book. I only wish that the writing team would focus on creating better dynamics with characters rather than filler. Thanks Bright Guardian Akira for making this video. Edit: why couldn’t he have just been Onewhisker? There’s always a pattern of butchering good characters 😔
I understand his point more by reading the book. By the way, Akira didn't point that in the video : but all the Darkkit stuff happened during the first half of the New Prophecy series. Even without the stuff about kittypets in the beginning, there's absolutely no way he could take in Darkkit and Smoke in his starving clan. He seriously thought that they were safer in a human house and I fully agree with him.
Anyone find it odd that Onestar abandoned Smoke and Darktail without any consequences and was still meant to be seen as a hero, while Squirrelflight was ostracized for an arc for raising Leafpool’s kits, a selfless act out of the goodness of her heart? Hmmmm
Same goes for Squirrell “cheating” on Ashfur. They weren’t dating and Squilf had broken up with Bramble, so it was ok once Bramble and Squilf got together And while I think Bramble and Squirrelflight were also broken up when Jessy was introduced in Bramblestar’s Storm, it was the exact same situation but he literally tried to memorise her scent when she was leaving and fantasied about what it would’ve been with Jessy so…yeah
the amount of sexism in warrior cats is so apparent. the female characters are always to blame, constantly being written as purly plot points for the male characters. the male characters are always painted as these heroic cats who can do no wrong. the writers always find a way to somehow justify the abuse of female characters.
Also, 99% of female protagonists have a mate and kits, and I really hope Sunbeam stays single because there are already too many women that have a relationship. And the female characters are usually always sweet, kind, good hunters etc. There are almost NO spunky, strong female characters and I really hope that can be changed.
Your thoughts are exactly mine! Gosh, what a mess. Onestar needed REAL consequences, but it seems like everyone except him took the fall for his horrible actions. Super messed up for him to relieve himself of blame after seeing how Darktail turns out. Darktail only went after the clans because he abandoned him and his mother, things would've probably turned out better if Onestar didn't make such a mess of that break up. I also don't really understand why Whitetail would trust him at all after the confession. He abandoned his child at the first inconvenience and contributed to the premature death of his other 2 kits. It kinda sends a bad message about Whitetail, implying their relationship is more legitimate because they're clan cats, and the horrible things Onestar did to his mate and child aren't as bad because Smoke was a kittypet. Excellent video!
I think it would have turned for the best if Onewhisker was not a coward and explained why he couldn't take Darkkit. I mean... which father would take his son in his starving clan ? How would he face his mother after his (possible) death ?
Whitetail deserves to be written better than this. She was a very relevant WindClan warrior (almost as relevant as most of the background WindClan cats get in this series). She had experience and seniority. She mentored Breezepelt and went on the beaver quest with Dovepaw and other cats. Her being mates with Onestar is the least interesting thing about her. I would like a novella about Whitetail... maybe she somehow influenced Breezepelt, or tried to make him a better cat but failed?... I want to know more already.
If I’m being honest I don’t even think of Onestar and Onewhisker as the same character anymore and I often just forget that they are when rereading and you can not convince me that the writers did not just replace Firestar’s kind and experienced friend with some lookalike in power of three
They are the same character, Onewhisker's downfall started when he abandoned smoke and Darktail, and only worsened when he obsessed over Tallstar's words.
@@sweetwolfsteve5583 Why? Frecklewish committed a few terrible deeds, but not enough to earn a sentence to cat hell, where she will remain till the day she finally fades away.
Can we talk about how Onewhisker has a thing for cats with tail as their suffix? Like: WhiteTAIL, HeatherTAIL, DarkTAIL, what would Smoke’s name be? SmokyTAIL? Also, I have a theory. Heathertail’s eyes are SMOKY blue. I haven’t read Onestar’s Confession since everyone is saying it’s a trash book, but has he ever called Smoke”s eyes a heather-blue? Coincidence? I think NOT
@@echo5435 I..don't think Sunnyfall's video is very great...she tries to argue that there's sexism in warriors because tom cats take up the most chapters in line..which is a huge strawman and a logical fallacy. Sexism would mean there would be some type of "discrimination" of the female characters within the warriors series, but there's none of that. No she-cat is treated as less (will edit later)
@@candytvstudios7742 Okay but sexism would require there to be some sort of discrimination or imbalance between toms and shecats....which literally does not exist within the warriors universe...at all
Warrior Cats just needs to come to an end. It’s honestly exhausting. I loved this series as a kid but gradually lost interest. I’m glad I have the first series to look back on fondly. But all these super editions and novellas just mess with the original book series the fandom grew up on (through OotS I mean). Whenever I think back to Guardians of Ga’Hoole, my absolute favorite book series, and long for a continuation, I think of Warriors and what we could’ve gotten: a tired, never ending story that’s terrified of putting its heroic male leads in a negative light.
Wdym heroric male leads in a negative light? Warrior cats is NOT afraid of this. They put Bramblestar, Lionblaze, Greystripe, Clearsky, Tallstar, Onestar, and many more in a negative light.
First they ruin Onewhisker's characterization upon him gaining nine lives, and then they ruin the character by doing this. EDIT: Y'all I want to write an Evil Smoke AU now. Like, her assisting Darktail behind the scenes until finally deciding to make her own move. I checked the wiki and she died because she was hit by a monster, so maybe that just doesn't happen here.
“He would’ve been evil anyway” is such terrible writing. Like if his deadbeat dad had actually took him in, he wouldn’t have that motivation as an “evil” character. Writing 101, things happen for a reason.
His deadbeat dad couldn't...really take him in. If you had actually read Onestar's confession, you would know that WindClan was on the brink of starvation, and had already attempted to try and make kittypets warriors (it failed). There is absolutely *NO WAY* they would accept two more mouths to feed when they could barely even sustain their entire clan.
@@TorbieGinger my comment wasn’t really about that. Like writing wise yea that’s fine and explains everyone’s motivations in the story. My complaint was towards how they brushed it off saying he would have been evil either way. Darktail is the way he is due to his upbringing, IF he had been taken in he likely wouldn’t have turned out that way. THAT was my complaint, that the writing tried to say otherwise. It’s like saying Tallstar would have still sought out revenge for his father’s death even if his father was still alive.
We need to get the old team back, or at least send a message to Harper Collins and the Erins. While this won't be as bad as Spottedleaf's Heart, kids still read these books. They will get the idea that this is normal, NORMAL. Maybe Harper Collins needs to read through the books first and then decide whether to publish them or not. But we all know how that will probably go.
I’m still left wondering and stunned about what happened to my favourite warrior from the original books. It’s like one minute, The Darkest Hour, the end of the first series and all is good, the next minute, within a few books in the 2nd series, a doppelgänger has come along and killed him off offscreen and that’s the character we’re stuck with afterwards. From what I’m hearing from others, it doesn’t seem that not once, does he return back to how he was as soon as he becomes leader and is a completely different character from that point onwards.
Same, I wish they just made it a slow descent into being a paranoid asshole due to his jealousy and desire for WindClan to be able to stand by itself rather than a complete 180. That would've been interesting. It seems that the authors forgot that the first series existed at all.
I thought the book might be bad but seriously this is bad. He didn’t deserve starclan for his lies and attacking his former mate in front of his kit. That is abuse. I can only think that he didn’t go to the Dark forest because it’s really just for the deranged ambitious, murderers (or attempted murderers) AND cats who cannot advocate their own actions upon death (Frecklewish). Hm I wonder if leafpool was really at risk of being denied from starclan… Edit- little dolls 😂 Also well one good thing came out of all this, Darktail was a great villain I thought but Im very sad about the cats that died along the way.
I can't believe I wasted my time reading this SE. Instead i could of read my firstyear history book and be entertained (pun intended) In chapter 33, when Onestar said the truth, Whitetail's reaction shocked even me, if I were her, I would have swatted Onewhisker in the face from disgust
Onestar and whitetail becoming mates was so creepy and so wrong in many levels it wouldn't be so bad with the age gap if they didn't make whitetail his apprentice
This book was a huge disappointment all around. Smoke and Whitetail's characterization kind of reminds me of how Bumblestripe and Finleap were ruined for the sake of romance drama.
Why is the writing team suddenly so afraid of giving any of their characters flaws or having any consequences for their actions? It doesn’t make sense considering characters written similarly to Onestar such as Crowfeather were allowed in the past to make gigantic mistakes and have to go through hell and back to atone for their crimes. By not allowing Onestar to be accountable for his cheating and abandonment of his son, the book took away such a big element from the story that could have won back any of the past respect he had as Onewhisker during the original six books. Now people hate him more than ever and it is seriously a mystery how he is not in the Dark Forest since the book failed to show Onestar show any remorse for his actions, which he pretty much got out of consequence free. 😖
I feel like someone should check on the Erins and make sure they’re ok in their loved lives… there are what 2? 3? And a former Erin. Yet… not a single one knows how to write a healthy, GOOD romance? I get not a relationship isn’t all sunshine and rainbows and glitter farting unicorns, but seriously? Think they may be sending an SOS or something…
I’m pretty sure at this point the OG Erins have little if any say in how the books are written. The team is made up of a dozen or so ghost writers working under their name, or so I’ve heard
This book was such a heavy-handed (pawed?) example of the male characters having so much more value than the females, that I kinda don't want to read the series anymore. It's really that bad.
Same, I honestly think Onestar is the poster child of how Warriors fails both its characters and its audience. Makes me worried about what they'll do to Skystar if we ever see him again...
Didn't Dark Tail say his Mom wanted to raise him to destroy the clans, so unless she had a change of heart in purgatory, her dream self night have been wanting to hit him more than help. Might have but I don't want to spend money on this book and just wait for the library.
This book- I can’t even. OneStar gives Andrew Tate vibes ngl. He has always been boneheaded and selfish even in the previous books. After ThunderClan helped them so much they became hostile and attacked the living sh!t out of every clan. Like WHY He is just an overall weirdo and can’t respect anyone but himself.
Onestar is like one of those creepy old men checking out young girls to see which one gives off the "sweetest scent". It concerns me when the writers have to add in that detail, repeating it often to really engrave it in the readers minds.
To be honest, I believe that the questionable/bad themes portrayed in this book stem from poor writing. The Erins didn't intend for it to come off the way that it did, but, well... it did. It's like the Bramblestar and Squirrelflight situation: their relationship was abusive, but it's clear that the Erins don't realize it and never meant for it to be that way. That's what lies at the heart of the series' worst problems: bad writing, where the authors have an intention and end up misportraying it in a way that causes it to become really bad and/or completely different from what was intended.
I feel like before this, OneStar was a good character. The keyword there being ‘character’. Him serving as a heavily flawed, ambiguous character really helped the story have a lot of much needed balance. He wasn’t just plain awful, but he wasn’t a saint either. I really liked how he was written up until this book came out. At the end of Shattered Sky, he makes a laughable attempt at fixing a lifetime of mistakes, i think we as the readers are supposed to pick up on that he was just a guy that was just an awful person and tried to make up for it when it was way too late. And i think that’s the beauty of his character. Warrior cats has far too many ‘good’ and ‘evil’ characters, and not heavily flawed ones. The story team is now trying to redact all that by clumsy trying to make it seem like all of his actions were justified, when they very obviously aren’t. They’re trying to fix a character that worked really well as a antagonist and flawed character, when he didn’t need to be fixed in the first place. I’m really disappointed, since i really enjoyed how OneStar added some much needed ambiguity to the series.
Yeah, he's a nice shade of grey. We need more characters like that. Tho I think even in Onestar's Confession that is still true. Although the writing is positive especially towards the end there is no denying he did some horrible stuff and I honestly would say he's more of a villain.
I really dislike how the super editions/novellas try WAY too hard to convince the reader “oh they’re good actually and their choices are justified” with few exceptions. That’s not to say you can’t write a character the reader emphasizes with in a “cool motive, still murder” kind of way but /clearly/ Working Partners/the Erins can’t write that well or with any sort of nuance.
I swear I also noticed this a while ago (I’m barely in the fandom/I don’t read the books anymore lol) but… Literally almost ALL the female cats have kits then are just…. Yeah. Like please give me a girlboss cat who doesn’t have to have kits to keep a story going! Make them a mentor for the new gen or heck a LEADER!!!
The next poll should be: WHICH BOOK IS WORSE? VOTE NOW (idk how polls work XD) 1. Spottedleafs Heart 2. Squirrelflights Hope 3.Onestars Confession (Something I realized while writing this ⬇⬇) Each one treats the main female characters as garbage. ERINS. WTF ARE YOU ALL DOING IN THERE. ARENT MOST OF YOU WOMEN? WHY DO YOU TREAT THESE CHARACTERS LIKE THIS? ARE YOU AWARE THAT YOUR DOING THIS?
they probably arent aware that much if they were they would probably stop doing it. Sunnyfall made a great video about how female characters are portrayed in warrior cats
I would not recommend any of the new books to a young reader. The amount of abusive relationships that are portrayed as healthy is concerning. And now this! Now I can argue that this is between to consenting adults but that gets thrown out because he was her mentor and it takes on a grooming angle. It could have been acceptable if he hadn't had the teacher relationship with her in her formative years.
oh yeah, breezepelt and heathertail are related lol like... more than any of the other pairings lol. lemme explain. onestars's sister is ashfoot, who had a kit with deadfoot(according to the wiki) and they had 1 son, crowfeather. crowfeather then had 1 kit with nightcloud, breezepelt. now. onestar and whitetail had heathertail, and heathertail and breezepelt became mates. so, at the very least, they are cousins. ig windclan's number were so low they became thunderclan in terms of pairings.
i'm mostly mad how they butchered darktail and made him another born evil cat when he's one of the best villains in the entire series, they just unused him so much and he feels wasted
Before warrior cats ends I want an arc with a female main. I want this female to be strong and intelligent (like squirrelflight, hollyleaf, britslefrost, ivpypool etc.) But I want them to have no love interest or questionable morals or family drama. Not only that but any other main characters (so main that chapters are written from their p.o.v) to not have love interests either. Give them friends who stick by their side, give them forbidden friendships not forbidden romances! Make them brave, empowering, males and females being best friends without any hints of romance! Please! Also Dont make the female characters talk about how they want a family. For example we could have a forbidden friendship group of males and females (YOU COULD MAKE THEM START AS WARRIORS FOR ONCE) and a few of the non p.o.v characters may have mates they are loyal to in their respective clans but please, for once, FRIENDSHIP
@@legrandliseurtri7495 My sibling in christ i know what you mean, but its not fun when the questionable morals are written as GOOD morals. If i wanted to read awful apology for toxic behaviour id go read After
Damn, this really sucks. I liked Whitetail, she was there when they fought the beavers and returned the water to the clan. She’s one of those background characters I always sort of liked. Well her character has been ruined now :/
Ehh, I wouldn’t say Whitetail’s character has been ‘ruined’ per se. She just didn’t get any character development. Ruining her character would imply that she’s a worse cat / did something wrong. Maybe, ‘Whitetail deserved better’ would be more fitting? Idk. Honestly, I blame Onestar for this- He seems like the type of cat to reflect about his past and remember nothing about his partner/s except for major moments (the Smoke drama and the… questionable… origins of WhitetailXOnestar.) Her story definitely could’ve been way better :( I really wish Whitetail and Smoke had the chance to shine in this story. But, self-centered, self-pitying Onestar didn’t give us that. (Also, I know that technically the authors/editors are the ones writing the storyline, but there’s something oddly poetic about a terrible Onestar Super Edition that makes me feel like HE wrote the book instead-) Just goes to show how female characters aren’t properly represented in warrior cats :(
I really hope they stop with the weird age gap relationships. Pebble and Hawk, this, Spottedleaf, Moonflower and Stormtail… I want something wholesome that doesn’t feel like it’s predatory
The book has all sorts of grammar mistakes, mistakenly calls Onestar “Heathertail” at one point, removes the part of his confession scene where Whitetail claims “our own leader did that!” due to her randomly being his mate (I know her being his mate was retconned a long time ago but them just brushing past that dialogue annoys me anyways), an inner dialogue/thought that was italicised remaining italicised even after the dialogue is over, other grammar mistakes.... like I know books are hard to edit but wtf....?
I’m really upset about the turn out of this book😔 I thought it was going to be really good, and Darktail had every right to become a villain. I also wish Darktail would have killed onestar instead of the other way around.
I think the thing I honestly hated most was how obsessed with Smoke he was throughout his entire life. He would literally be thinking about her "soft fur and pretty blue eyes" and how much he wished he brought them into the clan while laying right next to his current longtime mate. I already hated Onestar but this book make him look like such a scumbag
I was honestly about to throw up when Sorrelshine was revealed to be Whitetails mom. So that would make her Crowfeathers cousin! The Erin’s are just making things worse for the books. Hopefully Riverstar’ Super edition will be better.
Which makes Onestar related to her. To put it simply, she’s his brother-in-law’s niece. Because Deadfoot is his brother-in-law and Whitetail is his niece. And another thing. Heathertail is also Crow’s cousin, but from his mom’s side. And since her mother is Whitetail, Heather is also his first cousin once removed, since that’s what one’s cousin’s kid is
And Breeze and Heather are first cousins once removed, since Heather is Crow’s cousin. But since Whitetail is also his cousin and she’s Heather’s mother, they’re also second cousins. (Second cousins are what a person’s kid and their cousins kid are to eac other) and Breeze’s dad and Heather’s mom are first cousins because Deadfoot and Sorrelshine are littermates
@@fishs.failureson5114 Yeah, Onewhisker first becoming Onestar, falling apart from Firestar, and just generally turning into a jerk was well-written and compelling, he became a character readers loved to hate for a good reason. Now he’s just poorly written, people hate him for the bad writing the authors gave him and not because of his genuine character.
The books just have too much mate drama. Take Crowfeather’s insane love life. He loved Feathertail when he was an apprentice(I think there was a big age gap) and when she died, he settled on Leafpool because she reminded him of Feathertail. That just feels so wrong in my opinion because you should settle on someone for love not because they remind you of an ex or someone. Than there’s the whole thing of them having kits together and having to keep them secret and they have to end the relationship. To prove his loyalty to WindClan, he settles on Nightcloud and they have a very sassy tom together. Breeze pelt is basically Crowfeather as an apprentice his whole life but rider and a ton sassier. I get that the writers want the books to be interesting but having toxic relationships and making the she-cats seem helpless and clueless gets on my nerves. I hate how the toms are written as if they have full control of the she-cat they are mates with.
First age gap between cats is pointless if they are adults. Second in the field guide and crowfeathers trial he never compared leafpool with feathertail thats a fandom idea. He loved them as two Unique she cats.
My books about mongooses, and their conflicts. All female. Amber: finds out a dreadful secret about mongooses outside of the packs. Se's brave and curious, and becomes Leaf-pack's third leader. She embarks on her journey in life, and all of her life, someone was giving her prophecies and warning about the future. That mongoose turned out to be her late father, who always knew she would do good. Sure, she has some mate conflicts (like Pebble dying and her becoming mates with the once grumpy and heartbroken Summer Sunset) But the plot of Destiny and Clapping Thunder goes beyond that. Crystal: While she has a loving mate and two pups she cares for, her conflicts focus more on friendship, her pack, and journey to a new home. it was hard for her to leave her sister. Crystal became the first leader of Leaf-pack. Honeycomb: She is a single mother with two pups, but her pups are grown, and she has a friendship with Crystal. Cherry: Cherry never had an interest for love. A couple generations after the main villain for books 2, 3 and 4 dies, he becomes the villain once again in book 6, and tries to teach her evil from the Darkplace. But confiding in her grandfather, the senior healer.... well, I'm still thinking on it, I'm only on book 3 xD but she does good! Then for villians: Rain: Not much is known about her, until later when her pup is revealed. Then I have to figure out the rest. I need more female villains >:/ P.S. I've been developing Amber's character for three years now. I believe she's well written, and she has a Scratch game, and I plan on working with a PC gaming company. I feel like she'll be a great character, and girl-power lead.
The Erin's need new writers. I dont know who thought this book as a whole would be a good idea "I bet the fans will love how Onestar falls in love with his former apprentice! " I honestly would love to re write everything after the first arc (The first arc is a masterpiece) and of course make independent tough she-cats that dont have a mate and dont have trouble with kits and stuff. The Erin's could do so much better.
Im kindof concerned for the writers, if they think writing this stuff in a book, thats *considered and targeted for CHILDREN* is okay. Sure, great writing strategy to make it so its ehat Onestar thinks, but they give no clues for that (im assuming, im still in POT) so theyre still accountable. Yikes.
the warriors writers are just out of touch with reality...... I didnt read the boook but the whole time you described how awful onestar treated his mates I thought : clearly thats the main conflict in the book for onestar right ? but then you said the entire not blaming yourself thing and I was like : ok I think im good not having read a warriors book in 2 years.... Its INSANE how the writers just CANT actually look at what they are writing and go : hey I know we WANTED to write something but we are actually writing something COMPLETELEY DIFFFERENT !!! thats the ENTIRE Bramblestar and Squirrelflight thing all over again! and even Spottedleaf and thistleclaw! Either the writers are just completeley incompetent, or they just dont care enough to actually write something good.
So sad that they turned Whitetail who seemed like a genuinely interesting character into “Onestar’s love interest” like HELLO?? We have a chance to make kindve a minor character into a really cool character l. And the fact that Whitetail completely forgave Onestar for being an awful person to Darktail and Smoke was just horrible. Whitetail’s only personality was “I’m in love with Onestar” throughout the entire book and this scene just proves it and I hate this!!!! Warriors needs new writers for the books and these new writers can start by rewriting Onestar’s Confession.
I'm refusing to accept this version of Tallstar. He would never let anyone like Onestar into StarClan, he is the king of character development in Warriors as well as (as my headcannon) a supportive feminist gay guy
bro. they were going good in the first 6 series but then i hated the broken code and now onestars confession is portraying massive age gaps and nothing but misogyny by only putting the female characters there for onestar. they seriously need new writers, like cmon. im 14 and a young writer and even i think i could do better than that. they should rewrite those chapters and give the females a stronger personality to make it overall better to read.
The whitetail thing didn’t bother me as much as it probably should have. Or maybe I just stopped caring when the fandom gets up in arms about stuff like this I can’t tell anymore.
I don't think that part was that bad in the way the fandom is upset about. Like the age differnece isn't ideal but it seemed to me Onestar didn't care a bit about her till she got hot which is the objectification problem more then the peevy problem. Either way written poorly. Fandom is upset it's another mentor and apprentice thing which is care but it only started when they became warriors and it seemed clear since he was with Smoke he didn't consider Whitetail an option as an apprentice unlike Thistle.
Honestly, warriors cats just turned into a war zone. I think the other books the Erin Hunter team is producing (Bravelands and the bamboo kingdom), have a better potential. To explain, the first arc of Bravelands went off great and had a dramatic and peaceful ending . (Expect one character that I think negatively about)
I hate this whole “He’s the hero so he’s always in the right!” Trope. It’s so disgusting and honestly I’m just not going to read this stupid series anymore
I've not read this book (and I probably won't, at least not before I've read everything else to "complete" the series), but I wish Onestar was sent to the Dark Forest. Not only is his cruelty and selfishness far worse than some DF cats (most notably Juniperclaw, but I would also make a case for some of the others too), but by doing that they could also have explained many of the poor choices in this book as evidence of Onestar being a bad guy (it still wouldn't be great without the book aknowlaging his flawed reasonng, but at least it'd be something).
I think one of the most disgusting messages was the fact they tried to portray Onestar killing Darktail as a noble sacrifice like Bristlefrost killing Ashfur. The set up, the writing, the Onestar thinking of all his family and feeling happiness and warmth as he died- THEY BLATANTLY RIPPED OFF THEIR OWN ENDING. However the two situations aren’t even comparable. While Onestar hid and cowered his entire life in fear of Darktail and the consequences of his actions, Bristlefrost realized her mistakes and worked tirelessly to repair them immediately. When she saw her friend was in danger, she didn’t have a second thought before running in to save him without a single concern for herself. Onestar would rather save his own pelt then even attempt to help anyone. Bristlefrost drowning Ashfur was truly the ultimate sacrafice of love and compassion pushed on a cat far too young, then given a permadeath. Onestar drowning Darktail was just him barely managing to finally atone for his sins and make his pathetic life worth something. I can genuinely say this was the worst Warriors book since SH, but this was one of the more egregiously tilting things.
And tbh, I still haven't gotten over the Bristlefrost permanent death bs from that book
Plus there was something really special about Bristlefrost drowning happy, thinking about her loved ones, in dark forest water that were specifically described multiple time as absorbing all hapinness from you. There was so much still waiting for her, and she sacrificed it not to make up for a mistake, but because it was the right thing to do.
Exactly! What a hypocrite. He'd probably go as far as trying to keep a single whisker or even hair over ACTUALLY being decent and actually raising the son he had. Oh but if it's "his" precious Whitetail it's the end of the world.
He literally goes doing all of the horrible things he's done then expects the love of everyone. Ngl he kinda reminds of Clear Sky when he does that.
Fully agree, I feel like ever since after omen of stars or dawn of the clans it just got bad. It’s not the same anymore, comparing book 1 to the newest book feels like a whole different author, maybe even a fanfic. What does oh stand for?
Does SH mean Squirrelfilght’s Hope?
Reading this book was rather painful. Onestar goes on and on about how much he’s suffering because of the decisions he has to make, but does literally nothing to improve anything. He’s the biggest hypocrite I’ve ever had the displeasure to read about.
I wish Mudfur became the new leader. All because stupid pacifist Tallstar didn't like the fact that they were wild cats who fought. Mudfur was just doing what he thought was right for the clan, and even if Mudfur was in the wrong I really doubt he would do worse than Onestar.
Agreed.
Exactly. He was okay before he became leader (like in the first arc). And then this book comes out... Wtf?
He pushed Firestar, one of his friends, away, creepily falls in love with HIS OWN APPRENTICE and has KITS with her, then goes after another she-cat, has a kit with her, then just leaves her.
In other words, he's a creep, a hypocrite, and a deadbeat.
That’s…… the point
Agreed. They nuked his entire character after the first arc tbh
Wow, just wow utterly disgusting what warrior cat had just produced. I though with all the hate from the one chapter maybe they would think about re writing it maybe scrap the writing and post pone the arrival date. BUT NOOOO, they need new writers. I love warrior cats to be honest but there newer books are losing what I feel in love with in warrior cats, I think it time The Erin hunters hand over the warrior cats book to someone who can give it back the warrior spark. I just hope maybe they will take away the book and rewrite it if it possible, idk tho I’m just angry right now.
All of the books were already printed and ready for distribution... It's ridiculous to say they should scrap every book and rewrite and reprint... You people seem to forget that while we're waiting for book 2 of the new arc, 3 and 4 are already fully written. Book 2 is already printed.
I really hope so to
People forgetting how Dustpelt was showing interest in Fernpaw as an apprentice and that was just considered okay. Hmmm.
WC team always throws female characters off to be mothers, if they don't die in horrifying ways to make a male character sad.
@@teaz3139 Whaaaat, they would never do that! Warriors has never been misogynistic ever!1!1! (sarcasm)
Honestly same
Onestar: gets accepted into StarClan because he worked hard to redeemed himself
Juniperclaw: >:0
"Worked hard" doing a LOT of heavy lifting
Juniper claw deserves better
Juniperclaw saved kits and seriously regretted driving SkyClan away again. I don’t get why he was cast into the dark forest.
the line about atonement is so hollow when you think about a cat like juniperclaw, who died in an incredibly similar way to onestar- drowning -to atone for what he did, and was denied a place in starclan, and then talked down to *by* onestar himself afterwards. juniperclaw's own father died because of onestar's negligence! yet juniperclaw gets sent to cat hell being told "you shouldn't have done it in the first place, it's no good being sorry" while onestar gets a free pass. starclan is utterly corrupt.
This is an excellent point, boosting this comment!
Starclan is not corrupt.
The writers on the other hand........
Onestar has main charter-itis
That means all the characters don’t give an ass about how utterly awful he was
''negligence''? More like actual murder honestly.
It is
How does warrior cats continuously manage to pump out inherently abusive, toxic relationships and plot points? Like how have they NOT realized what they are doing wrong and tried t9 fix it. How have they NOT realized the amount of toxicity and hate that they promote. Squilf and Bramble’s relationship (tho debated) being relationship, literally how all of ThunderClan BASHED squilf (and we all know it’s cuz she was a she-cat), The way they claim Frecklewish deserved to be in the dark forest with little to no book evidence and the other, male, cats involved with WAY MORE POWER over the situation than Fredklewish get off scott free! AND NOW THIS! It’s genuinely revolting to see how much disgusting content is present in the undertones of these books, and yet NOTHING is done when the fandom points it out. KIDS are reading this stuff and thinking it’s okay, BECAUSE THEY DON’T KNOW ANY BETTER! Honestly. Extremely disappointed with the whole of the writing crew.
Dont forget about the r/niceguy and incel defending when it came to Ashfur and Bumblestripe, while Ashfur was depicted as a villain the Erins did a horrible job of showing that you shouldnt be like Ash or Bumble, and that their actions were not justified even if a girl they liked rejected them. Which led to both girls getting bashed by the fandom for years because the Erins basically taught children that a man is entitled to a woman's affections because he is 'nice' and likes them
@@0iqgremlin414 oh Ofc, ofc. Cant forget that. Literally flashbacks to all the clan yelling at Dovewing like “but he’s so nice” “why don’t u like him” “he’s good for u.” SO WHAT! She doesn’t HAVE to like Bumble romantically for all that, and he needs to learn how to ACCEPT it. These books I stg
@Idotic Moron well yeah. But like I was more saying that by the way the hunters have been writing, if she’d been male, she wouldn’t have got it as bad. Not by a long shot.
I think that Warriors should be written by someone else, we need a new writing crew.
Considering as HarperCollins is such a notable publishing company it's amazing they haven't put a stop to it... Oh wait... The warriors series is still making so much money that HarperCollins will milk it. Think at some point we have to turn our eyes from the authors and look at the fact the publishing house is still allowing this nonsense.
"He would've been evil anyway"
Warrior cat favourite excuse to make up for bad behaviour
"You sacrifice your life, that's honorable"
Juniperclaw shifting in uncontrolable anger in a corner. At least HE truly meant good and realized what he was doing was wrong.
This whole book feels like a retcon of the ACTUAL confession from Onestar. The one from AVOS.
they really go in and retcon all their interesting villains as "well, that cat was simply born and evil and will always be evil for evil reasons :) "
Weird that Onestar never brought up Smoke as a possibility considering she said straight to his face that she would teach their son how to hate.
Sounds about right to me, which is why I only accept Bramblestar's Storm as the final canon story of the Warriors Series
@@g.d.graham2446 idk about Bramblestar's Storm. That book was...... Weird, to say the least.
It's pretty messed up and confusing for me. Some cats that don't deserve to do to the Dark Forest are in it but Starclan has some really awful cats in it too. Some of them could've been prevented and could've had a good redemption but that never happens. For example, Mapleshade killed because she was kicked out and her kits drowned then her mate left her. It could've been prevented if her mate didn't leave her or maybe her leader should've let the kits stay until they're old enough to travel around. No one even tried to help her.
What makes me baffled is that suddenly StarClan did a trial on Squirrelflight and Leafpool, but nothing like that was done for someone who did worse like Onestar. 🤦🏽♀️
Idk what’s worse, the possibility of the writers having a hatred for men characters or the objectification of female characters
but nothing like that was done for someone who did worse like Onestar. 🤦🏽♀️
It actually was, although he wasn't presented in front of the cats who judged him, he was left alone to reflect on his life *while* he was judged in the background.
Kate said that StarClan isn't perfect. Even though Juniperclaw died a hero, he was till condemned to The Place of No Stars.
We also don't know if Ashfur ever needed to face a trail and he was way worse than Onestar or Leafpool.
I just can't wait alright until one star dies
You know its bad when the fans can re-write a story better than the original
I hate that Warrior Cats keeps pushing this "born evil" narrative in their special editions. It takes away all agency and responsibility. Hated reading Yellowfang's Secret for that reason, too, it makes Brokenstar a completely useless character to say "oh well he was an evil newborn baby :) no one couldve changed that :)) "
5:40-6:17 so SquirrelFlight’s Secret gets out BrambleClaw flies off the handle breaks up with her immediately and doesn’t speak to her again and makes her anxious with how cold he is towards her Because deep down she desperately wants to make it up to him
OneStar’s past relationship Get out no consequences star clan did not tell him to do this or keep it secret or have an affair with a kitty pet whitetail only goes I wish you had told me and there are no consequences other than him drowning himself….
I can’t tell if that’s sexist or just massive SquirrelFlight Bias sigh
"No consequences other than him drowning himself"
When you put it that way I'd rather be alive xD
But more seriously, it's even worse considering Squirrelflight had to make a case for a place in Starclan, for a lie that wasn't even her (and was imposed on her by starclan). Onestar went it with no issue because he "sacrificed his life" something other cats have done and are still waiting for a place in starclan (*look toward Juniperclaw*)
@@Hadeshy yeah it’s disgusting
OneStar’s past relationship Get out no consequences star clan did not tell him to do this or keep it secret or have an affair with a kitty pet whitetail only goes I wish you had told me and there are no consequences other than him drowning himself….
He spent his entire life swirling down a path of insanity, his grandchild was kidnapped and almost died, and was haunted by his moral compass
@@TorbieGinger oh
Whitetail HAD a personality before this book. She was sharp, mature, authoritative, and blunt. This is shown when she and Crowfeather save Jaypaw when he falls in the lake and during the beaver quest
I checked the wiki, turns out in Shattered Sky, she was completely outraged at Onestar and basically called him a disgrace to the Clans
This may be controversial, but we need more female cats like blue star. Before she went crazy, she had a deeper personality than just a soft girlfriend cat. She was mature, responsible, and had a deeper story. She wasn’t a side character, in my opinion.
@DetectiveMisery Well they have to have some kind of motivation to be villains. Otherwise it's just cliche. I feel like Mapleshade's conflicts are actually somewhat nuanced. Not all the stuff that happened was her fault.
You're right.
"Because giving his life to kill Darktail was such brave atonement" Tell that to Juniperclaw..... twice.
Onestar followed the Warrior Code. Juniperclaw tried to poison Skyclan lol
@@groudonvert7286 Juniperclaw tried to redeem themselves in the Dark Forest. Onestar objectified two female cats. Like an incel.
@@groudonvert7286 juniper didn’t even get any cats killed
onestar was an incel who got I-don’t-even-know-how-many cats killed
Onestar broke the code more times than juniperclaw
H O W did juniper do worse than this asswhipe
Please tell me now
@@groudonvert7286 Onestar let shadowclan cats die by denying them medicines. That is very much against the warrior code I'd say.
@@legrandliseurtri7495 that's what made me mad the most is he let innocent cats die by not giving them the herb they need and still end up in Star clan
Honestly the book was bad, but nothing could ever knock Spottedleaf's Heart out from the #1 worst position
Still will never understand the extreme hate for Spottedleaf's Heart....I just don't get it.
Lmao
Facts
Agreed BUT ITS A VERY CLOSE SECOND
dont remind me about this book it was terrible i felt so unconfortable while reading it😅
I feel like 99% of the main female characters' story arc is something to do with a relationship or kits. Almost every major female character I can think of had a relationship/kit problem.
- Leopardstar had that whole thing with Frogleap and Mosspelt
- We all know Squirrelflight's Ash/Bramble drama
- Bluestar got rid of her kits to become deputy
- Spottedleaf... yeah
- Yellowfang had that fiasco with Raggedstar
- Cinderpelt apparently had a crush on Firestar
- Mapleshade was exiled because of her kits' father
- Bristlefrost started out with a crush on Stemleaf then (sort of) got with Rootspring
- Sunbeam was broken up with immediately and now it seems the writers are setting up a Sun X Night plot
Like, we need more female characters who are strong and independent. I'm tired of the whole "She-cat having mate/kit issues" whole thing. I don't mind if they have a mate or kits, but don't make that like a major turning point in their plot. I also am sick of the stereotypical "Soft, kind, sweet, etc" she-cats. Like I want a tough she-cat. But after this book, I doubt we'll ever get a female character like that.
Yellowfang and mapleshade
Mousefur
i really hope there isnt a sun x night plot
I do like Ivypool tho
please no Sunbeam and Nightheart relationship plot this would be so boring i hope they will only be friends
I always hated OneStar for ditching Firestar as a friend and practically stirring xenophobia towards Thunderclan, affecting an already dysfunctional family (NightCloud and CrowFeather's) to the point they fanatically denied Crow had anything to do with his kits from LeafPool despite the obvious...
But this book is a bit much to drive that point across. This book literally say that the Warrior cats society is corrupt, and you can be an abusive, manipulative sociopath, you can still be rewarded, while your victims are reduced to empty shells of their former selves, if they are even given any... Considering these two, which he called "Mates" were female... consider that, as far as I am aware, women write these books. Women wrote SpottedLeaf's Heart, women wrote every book with the new and abusive Bramblestar in it, and women wrote.. everything! This is concerning. What happens during the production of these books?
2:36
Bro the “seen her as a kit in the nursery” really weird me out like-
Imagine hearing a grown man say “man I never thought when I first saw her as a baby that he would end up being my wife” 🤮
Omg….🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢
8:42 shut up man your a dead beat (not you, Onewhisker)
Excuse me while I 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
WTF?! 😭😭
All I can say is that this book made me hate Onestar even more. Just, wow, what a truly awful character that I thought belonged in the dark forest to begin with when just reading the books not focused solely on him.
Definitely
Exactly
All of this makes me feel like Tallstar got hooked on catnip in his later years, and is on catnip constantly in starclan. 🤦♀️
His treatment of those two alone I dont think Tallstar would of stood for.
I feel like they were trying to paint Onestar in this sympathetic light, trying to show that he really was a good guy who just made bad choices, but instead they showed him to be an even worse cat than we first thought. At this point there are very little redeemable qualities in Onestar. He should have gone to the Dark Forest, especially since there are cats there that were sent to the DF for waaaaaay less. He's selfish, cruel, and cowardly, and he nearly let the Clans be destroyed by the son he abandoned all because he refused to take responsibility for his actions until the very last second. He may have sacrificed himself at the end to stop Darktail, but that doesn't redeem him of all the other horrible things he's done up until that point. One good thing doesn't make up for a life time of bad behavior.
I think his morality is ambiguous enough where you could argue either way because he didn't just do one good thing. He risked his life for a younger cat on the Great Journey not once, but twice(one of which was a ShadowClan kit), stood up for Brushpaw, forgave the Dark Forest trainees, helped ThunderClan with the badgers, etc.
I think he exists to show that power corrupts.
ive watched sunnyfalls video about gender in warrior cats and needless to say i am incredibly disappointed in this super edition.
Tallstar: You died honorably saving your clan and have atoned
Juniperclaw: Um hello?
ikr like that's what Im saying, Juniperclaw literally saved all the clans, starclan, and kitty hell, but he doesn't get to actually go to Starclan?? I felt the purest feeling of anger while seeing Juniperclaw not going to Starclan for saving the world
@@EmperorBelossss The writers literally intended for that to be a message that StarClan isn't perfect. Complaining about the book for this reason is weird.
@@shadowyzephyr I know but it's still pretty unfair that starclan said "no redemption" to juniperclaw and only let him guard the tunnel after he literally saved the entire world.
@@EmperorBelossss im confused how did he save the entire world when he saved 2 cats from drowning
@@EmperorBelossssJuniperclaw chose to stay behind and guard the tunnel
I just realized Onewhisker/One star and Clear Sky both kinda have some similarities.
So both had one son, and both mothers were from outside of the Clans. They both refused to raise their own sons, and they both got love in the end. Clear Sky and Star Flower have their kits, and then Onestar and Whitetail had Heathertail. They're both hypocrites and deadbeats, and they're both creepy. Like Clear Sky literally got together with his own son's ex gf! And Onewhisker got together with his own apprentice! In other words, they both chose mates that were way younger than them. And they both went moping around "regretting" their choices instead of doing something about it! And ofc, they get away with it. Just realized they were both leaders, and pushed away everyone else.
I hope I'm not the only one who's noticed this. Like they "conviently" have pretty much the same story? Why?
Warrior Cats just isn't the same anymore, it's not the story I used to love as a kid. Since I was in the 4th or 5th grade..
Comparing onestar and whitetail to starflower and clearsight is a literal insult to the star x clear ship lmfao
Star flower and clear sight were there for each other, they had similar experiences that they bonded from, starflower ACTUALLY HAD A PERSONALITY OTHER THAN BEING A MATE
Say what you will, but dragging this ship so far down to crap like one x white isn’t fair, JUST because clearsky’s son simped for her
I wonder if Star Flower is way too old for Thunder, or if she's way too young for Clear Sky.
Somehow the writers thought it was a good idea to mention the apprentice thing. No one would have complained if that was never pointed out nor made canon. This book made Onestar appear much more disturbing than he already was. No wonder it’s called “Onestar’s *Confession”* 💀
Let’s gooo. Another bga video. I definitely agree with your main opinion on this story. I haven’t read onestar’s super edition, and I’m so glad I didn’t. This book really did all the cats dirty, Onestar, whitetail, smoke, and so much more. When I pictured onestar’s super edition it would be so much better. Sadly the Warrior cats story team would not fulfill our request. In addition, I strongly dislike the way they format the she-cats as blanks slates with no personality. This book isn’t Onestar (they shouldn’t have transformed him from Onewhisker to this abomination with a proper execution) and there is no way I can see anyone forgiving him in this book. When I predicted onestar’s super edition I predicted it to be primarily on understanding him as a character, and not even that is explained. The manga was literally the only good thing about this book. I only wish that the writing team would focus on creating better dynamics with characters rather than filler. Thanks Bright Guardian Akira for making this video.
Edit: why couldn’t he have just been Onewhisker? There’s always a pattern of butchering good characters 😔
I understand his point more by reading the book.
By the way, Akira didn't point that in the video : but all the Darkkit stuff happened during the first half of the New Prophecy series. Even without the stuff about kittypets in the beginning, there's absolutely no way he could take in Darkkit and Smoke in his starving clan. He seriously thought that they were safer in a human house and I fully agree with him.
Indeed. Onestar is a classic example of character assassination in the Warriors series
@@groudonvert7286 yea. I just found that out. But good point
I tell myself that when he got too starclan, he got an ear full from the first WC leader. A she cat.
That should’ve been a bonus scene for the book-
I really wanted him to be scolded by Tallstar so bad
Anyone find it odd that Onestar abandoned Smoke and Darktail without any consequences and was still meant to be seen as a hero, while Squirrelflight was ostracized for an arc for raising Leafpool’s kits, a selfless act out of the goodness of her heart? Hmmmm
Same goes for Squirrell “cheating” on Ashfur.
They weren’t dating and Squilf had broken up with Bramble, so it was ok once Bramble and Squilf got together
And while I think Bramble and Squirrelflight were also broken up when Jessy was introduced in Bramblestar’s Storm, it was the exact same situation but he literally tried to memorise her scent when she was leaving and fantasied about what it would’ve been with Jessy so…yeah
Dude B%#%hflight doesn’t have any goodness she’s a selfish cat!
the amount of sexism in warrior cats is so apparent. the female characters are always to blame, constantly being written as purly plot points for the male characters. the male characters are always painted as these heroic cats who can do no wrong. the writers always find a way to somehow justify the abuse of female characters.
Also, 99% of female protagonists have a mate and kits, and I really hope Sunbeam stays single because there are already too many women that have a relationship. And the female characters are usually always sweet, kind, good hunters etc. There are almost NO spunky, strong female characters and I really hope that can be changed.
@@PP-id5rw I think squirrelflight is a very spunky and powerful character. I know she has a mate and kits, but she often goes with what's best
whoops did i just say women? I meant she-cats, because they don't use the terms "women" or "men" in warriors.
@@PP-id5rw Mapleshade and Leopardstar?
@@MantyCore201X I said ALMOST, not all.
Your thoughts are exactly mine! Gosh, what a mess. Onestar needed REAL consequences, but it seems like everyone except him took the fall for his horrible actions.
Super messed up for him to relieve himself of blame after seeing how Darktail turns out. Darktail only went after the clans because he abandoned him and his mother, things would've probably turned out better if Onestar didn't make such a mess of that break up.
I also don't really understand why Whitetail would trust him at all after the confession. He abandoned his child at the first inconvenience and contributed to the premature death of his other 2 kits. It kinda sends a bad message about Whitetail, implying their relationship is more legitimate because they're clan cats, and the horrible things Onestar did to his mate and child aren't as bad because Smoke was a kittypet.
Excellent video!
I think it would have turned for the best if Onewhisker was not a coward and explained why he couldn't take Darkkit. I mean... which father would take his son in his starving clan ? How would he face his mother after his (possible) death ?
Whitetail deserves to be written better than this. She was a very relevant WindClan warrior (almost as relevant as most of the background WindClan cats get in this series). She had experience and seniority. She mentored Breezepelt and went on the beaver quest with Dovepaw and other cats. Her being mates with Onestar is the least interesting thing about her. I would like a novella about Whitetail... maybe she somehow influenced Breezepelt, or tried to make him a better cat but failed?... I want to know more already.
If I’m being honest I don’t even think of Onestar and Onewhisker as the same character anymore and I often just forget that they are when rereading and you can not convince me that the writers did not just replace Firestar’s kind and experienced friend with some lookalike in power of three
They are the same character, Onewhisker's downfall started when he abandoned smoke and Darktail, and only worsened when he obsessed over Tallstar's words.
How did they not learn a single thing from the Spottedleaf's Heart Backlash. HOW did they do that.
So he gets to go to Starclan and Frecklewish doesn’t.
*Yeah that makes sense.*
Try telling Juniperclaw that his sacrifice didnt atone his actions but Onestar's did
Frecklewish deserved to go to the dark forest but so did onestar
One star never really did anything that terrible
Fr. He did way worse stuff. He literally neglected a kit which is against the warrior code.
@@sweetwolfsteve5583 Why? Frecklewish committed a few terrible deeds, but not enough to earn a sentence to cat hell, where she will remain till the day she finally fades away.
Congrats Erin... I officially hate you for doing that...ALL OF THAT
Can we talk about how Onewhisker has a thing for cats with tail as their suffix? Like: WhiteTAIL, HeatherTAIL, DarkTAIL, what would Smoke’s name be? SmokyTAIL? Also, I have a theory. Heathertail’s eyes are SMOKY blue. I haven’t read Onestar’s Confession since everyone is saying it’s a trash book, but has he ever called Smoke”s eyes a heather-blue? Coincidence? I think NOT
Onestars book is actually pretty good. The warrior cats fandom just loves to complain about anything and everything.
@@TorbieGinger I'm sorry...it's really, really not. Sunnyfall has a great video explaining what went wrong.
@@echo5435 I..don't think Sunnyfall's video is very great...she tries to argue that there's sexism in warriors because tom cats take up the most chapters in line..which is a huge strawman and a logical fallacy.
Sexism would mean there would be some type of "discrimination" of the female characters within the warriors series, but there's none of that. No she-cat is treated as less (will edit later)
@@TorbieGinger sexism doesn't have to blatant or brought up constantly to be there.
@@candytvstudios7742 Okay but sexism would require there to be some sort of discrimination or imbalance between toms and shecats....which literally does not exist within the warriors universe...at all
Warrior Cats just needs to come to an end. It’s honestly exhausting. I loved this series as a kid but gradually lost interest. I’m glad I have the first series to look back on fondly. But all these super editions and novellas just mess with the original book series the fandom grew up on (through OotS I mean).
Whenever I think back to Guardians of Ga’Hoole, my absolute favorite book series, and long for a continuation, I think of Warriors and what we could’ve gotten: a tired, never ending story that’s terrified of putting its heroic male leads in a negative light.
I really like the main series but not the super editions and novellas.
Wdym heroric male leads in a negative light? Warrior cats is NOT afraid of this. They put Bramblestar, Lionblaze, Greystripe, Clearsky, Tallstar, Onestar, and many more in a negative light.
The first line "Warrior Cats has done Another Warrior Cats" Love that
First they ruin Onewhisker's characterization upon him gaining nine lives, and then they ruin the character by doing this.
EDIT: Y'all I want to write an Evil Smoke AU now. Like, her assisting Darktail behind the scenes until finally deciding to make her own move. I checked the wiki and she died because she was hit by a monster, so maybe that just doesn't happen here.
“He would’ve been evil anyway” is such terrible writing. Like if his deadbeat dad had actually took him in, he wouldn’t have that motivation as an “evil” character. Writing 101, things happen for a reason.
His deadbeat dad couldn't...really take him in. If you had actually read Onestar's confession, you would know that WindClan was on the brink of starvation, and had already attempted to try and make kittypets warriors (it failed). There is absolutely *NO WAY* they would accept two more mouths to feed when they could barely even sustain their entire clan.
@@TorbieGinger my comment wasn’t really about that. Like writing wise yea that’s fine and explains everyone’s motivations in the story. My complaint was towards how they brushed it off saying he would have been evil either way. Darktail is the way he is due to his upbringing, IF he had been taken in he likely wouldn’t have turned out that way. THAT was my complaint, that the writing tried to say otherwise. It’s like saying Tallstar would have still sought out revenge for his father’s death even if his father was still alive.
@@RileyDaemonCreations fair enough
Dako's drawing of Whitetail gives her more personality than the writers did in the book
Yes, even she isnt so relevant i think whitetail needs more story.
i mean she was breezepelt mentor that would be interest
We need to get the old team back, or at least send a message to Harper Collins and the Erins. While this won't be as bad as Spottedleaf's Heart, kids still read these books. They will get the idea that this is normal, NORMAL.
Maybe Harper Collins needs to read through the books first and then decide whether to publish them or not. But we all know how that will probably go.
I’m still left wondering and stunned about what happened to my favourite warrior from the original books. It’s like one minute, The Darkest Hour, the end of the first series and all is good, the next minute, within a few books in the 2nd series, a doppelgänger has come along and killed him off offscreen and that’s the character we’re stuck with afterwards.
From what I’m hearing from others, it doesn’t seem that not once, does he return back to how he was as soon as he becomes leader and is a completely different character from that point onwards.
Same, I wish they just made it a slow descent into being a paranoid asshole due to his jealousy and desire for WindClan to be able to stand by itself rather than a complete 180. That would've been interesting. It seems that the authors forgot that the first series existed at all.
Character assassination 101
@@g.d.graham2446 The Erins are truly the worlds finest assassins.
I think that's what they were going for, but they didn't write it that well.@@fishs.failureson5114
I thought the book might be bad but seriously this is bad. He didn’t deserve starclan for his lies and attacking his former mate in front of his kit. That is abuse. I can only think that he didn’t go to the Dark forest because it’s really just for the deranged ambitious, murderers (or attempted murderers) AND cats who cannot advocate their own actions upon death (Frecklewish). Hm I wonder if leafpool was really at risk of being denied from starclan…
Edit- little dolls 😂
Also well one good thing came out of all this, Darktail was a great villain I thought but Im very sad about the cats that died along the way.
I can't believe I wasted my time reading this SE. Instead i could of read my firstyear history book and be entertained (pun intended)
In chapter 33, when Onestar said the truth, Whitetail's reaction shocked even me, if I were her, I would have swatted Onewhisker in the face from disgust
Onestar and whitetail becoming mates was so creepy and so wrong in many levels it wouldn't be so bad with the age gap if they didn't make whitetail his apprentice
This book was a huge disappointment all around.
Smoke and Whitetail's characterization kind of reminds me of how Bumblestripe and Finleap were ruined for the sake of romance drama.
Why is the writing team suddenly so afraid of giving any of their characters flaws or having any consequences for their actions? It doesn’t make sense considering characters written similarly to Onestar such as Crowfeather were allowed in the past to make gigantic mistakes and have to go through hell and back to atone for their crimes. By not allowing Onestar to be accountable for his cheating and abandonment of his son, the book took away such a big element from the story that could have won back any of the past respect he had as Onewhisker during the original six books. Now people hate him more than ever and it is seriously a mystery how he is not in the Dark Forest since the book failed to show Onestar show any remorse for his actions, which he pretty much got out of consequence free. 😖
I feel like someone should check on the Erins and make sure they’re ok in their loved lives… there are what 2? 3? And a former Erin. Yet… not a single one knows how to write a healthy, GOOD romance? I get not a relationship isn’t all sunshine and rainbows and glitter farting unicorns, but seriously? Think they may be sending an SOS or something…
I’m pretty sure at this point the OG Erins have little if any say in how the books are written. The team is made up of a dozen or so ghost writers working under their name, or so I’ve heard
This book was such a heavy-handed (pawed?) example of the male characters having so much more value than the females, that I kinda don't want to read the series anymore. It's really that bad.
i think people are digging into it too much tbh. you can hate male or female characters without everything being about sexism.
I personally like Onestar. But Onestars Confession has changed that for me.
Onewhisker >> Onestar
Well it was the other way for me lol
Same, I honestly think Onestar is the poster child of how Warriors fails both its characters and its audience.
Makes me worried about what they'll do to Skystar if we ever see him again...
@@fishs.failureson5114 they better leave Skystar alone, hes hated enough TwT
@@Igottagowalkmyfish I agree, he was fantastic. I do wish they didn't make his character arc step backwards in Moth Flight's vision though
Didn't Dark Tail say his Mom wanted to raise him to destroy the clans, so unless she had a change of heart in purgatory, her dream self night have been wanting to hit him more than help. Might have but I don't want to spend money on this book and just wait for the library.
This book-
I can’t even. OneStar gives Andrew Tate vibes ngl. He has always been boneheaded and selfish even in the previous books. After ThunderClan helped them so much they became hostile and attacked the living sh!t out of every clan. Like WHY
He is just an overall weirdo and can’t respect anyone but himself.
6:09 "When will you learn, when will you learn... THAT YOU'RE ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES"
Sorry I had to XD
Just remember that this book is being sold to LITERAL CHILDREN.
Onestar is like one of those creepy old men checking out young girls to see which one gives off the "sweetest scent". It concerns me when the writers have to add in that detail, repeating it often to really engrave it in the readers minds.
Felt that with Hawkwing and Pebbleshine. She was always described as “young” and “pretty” to him. Like why specifically that she’s young …. Yikes
To be honest, I believe that the questionable/bad themes portrayed in this book stem from poor writing. The Erins didn't intend for it to come off the way that it did, but, well... it did. It's like the Bramblestar and Squirrelflight situation: their relationship was abusive, but it's clear that the Erins don't realize it and never meant for it to be that way. That's what lies at the heart of the series' worst problems: bad writing, where the authors have an intention and end up misportraying it in a way that causes it to become really bad and/or completely different from what was intended.
As much as I love warriors I just question why the writers chose to do some things…well many things actually
I feel like before this, OneStar was a good character. The keyword there being ‘character’. Him serving as a heavily flawed, ambiguous character really helped the story have a lot of much needed balance. He wasn’t just plain awful, but he wasn’t a saint either. I really liked how he was written up until this book came out. At the end of Shattered Sky, he makes a laughable attempt at fixing a lifetime of mistakes, i think we as the readers are supposed to pick up on that he was just a guy that was just an awful person and tried to make up for it when it was way too late. And i think that’s the beauty of his character. Warrior cats has far too many ‘good’ and ‘evil’ characters, and not heavily flawed ones. The story team is now trying to redact all that by clumsy trying to make it seem like all of his actions were justified, when they very obviously aren’t. They’re trying to fix a character that worked really well as a antagonist and flawed character, when he didn’t need to be fixed in the first place. I’m really disappointed, since i really enjoyed how OneStar added some much needed ambiguity to the series.
Yeah, he's a nice shade of grey. We need more characters like that. Tho I think even in Onestar's Confession that is still true. Although the writing is positive especially towards the end there is no denying he did some horrible stuff and I honestly would say he's more of a villain.
I really dislike how the super editions/novellas try WAY too hard to convince the reader “oh they’re good actually and their choices are justified” with few exceptions. That’s not to say you can’t write a character the reader emphasizes with in a “cool motive, still murder” kind of way but /clearly/ Working Partners/the Erins can’t write that well or with any sort of nuance.
The Erins don't write the new books is a misterious writing team
@@Amanecer458 Hence why I said Working Partners.
I swear I also noticed this a while ago (I’m barely in the fandom/I don’t read the books anymore lol) but… Literally almost ALL the female cats have kits then are just…. Yeah. Like please give me a girlboss cat who doesn’t have to have kits to keep a story going! Make them a mentor for the new gen or heck a LEADER!!!
90% of male cats have kits
The next poll should be:
WHICH BOOK IS WORSE?
VOTE NOW (idk how polls work XD)
1. Spottedleafs Heart
2. Squirrelflights Hope
3.Onestars Confession
(Something I realized while writing this ⬇⬇)
Each one treats the main female characters as garbage. ERINS. WTF ARE YOU ALL DOING IN THERE. ARENT MOST OF YOU WOMEN? WHY DO YOU TREAT THESE CHARACTERS LIKE THIS? ARE YOU AWARE THAT YOUR DOING THIS?
they probably arent aware that much if they were they would probably stop doing it. Sunnyfall made a great video about how female characters are portrayed in warrior cats
True, the worst part is that: Eren Hunter is a woman!😡
spottedleaf's heart. how is is squirrelflight's hope even on the same level
@@jillianefaithcobre8637Erin hunter isn't an actual person, it's a team name.
We need more strong female characters who can for once protect the male characters showing they aren’t in top of the world
I would not recommend any of the new books to a young reader. The amount of abusive relationships that are portrayed as healthy is concerning. And now this! Now I can argue that this is between to consenting adults but that gets thrown out because he was her mentor and it takes on a grooming angle. It could have been acceptable if he hadn't had the teacher relationship with her in her formative years.
oh yeah, breezepelt and heathertail are related lol like... more than any of the other pairings lol.
lemme explain.
onestars's sister is ashfoot, who had a kit with deadfoot(according to the wiki) and they had 1 son, crowfeather.
crowfeather then had 1 kit with nightcloud, breezepelt.
now. onestar and whitetail had heathertail, and heathertail and breezepelt became mates.
so, at the very least, they are cousins. ig windclan's number were so low they became thunderclan in terms of pairings.
Mudclaw be lookin nice as a leader now…
i'm mostly mad how they butchered darktail and made him another born evil cat when he's one of the best villains in the entire series, they just unused him so much and he feels wasted
Before warrior cats ends I want an arc with a female main.
I want this female to be strong and intelligent (like squirrelflight, hollyleaf, britslefrost, ivpypool etc.) But I want them to have no love interest or questionable morals or family drama.
Not only that but any other main characters (so main that chapters are written from their p.o.v) to not have love interests either.
Give them friends who stick by their side, give them forbidden friendships not forbidden romances!
Make them brave, empowering, males and females being best friends without any hints of romance! Please!
Also Dont make the female characters talk about how they want a family.
For example we could have a forbidden friendship group of males and females (YOU COULD MAKE THEM START AS WARRIORS FOR ONCE) and a few of the non p.o.v characters may have mates they are loyal to in their respective clans but please, for once, FRIENDSHIP
Wait but questionable morals are fun to read.
@@legrandliseurtri7495 My sibling in christ i know what you mean, but its not fun when the questionable morals are written as GOOD morals. If i wanted to read awful apology for toxic behaviour id go read After
I hope there's no Sunbeam x Nightheart in A Starless Clan, and that they become FRIENDS but not in love.
@@geministrial950 Yes thanks, that's what I meant 😅
We should rewrite Onestars honour and make it so Onestar is a potentially unreliable narrator,so writing makes sense lmao
Yes, please, we could have Mapleshade and him as the most unreliable, blame shifting narrators ever!
After two days i realized I messed up on the book title lMAO
Deadfoot and Ashfoot got together. That's kinda creepy to me, because Onewhisker and Ashfoot are siblings, and Deadfoot was Onewhisker's mentor.
Damn, this really sucks. I liked Whitetail, she was there when they fought the beavers and returned the water to the clan. She’s one of those background characters I always sort of liked.
Well her character has been ruined now :/
Ehh, I wouldn’t say Whitetail’s character has been ‘ruined’ per se. She just didn’t get any character development. Ruining her character would imply that she’s a worse cat / did something wrong. Maybe, ‘Whitetail deserved better’ would be more fitting? Idk. Honestly, I blame Onestar for this- He seems like the type of cat to reflect about his past and remember nothing about his partner/s except for major moments (the Smoke drama and the… questionable… origins of WhitetailXOnestar.)
Her story definitely could’ve been way better :( I really wish Whitetail and Smoke had the chance to shine in this story. But, self-centered, self-pitying Onestar didn’t give us that.
(Also, I know that technically the authors/editors are the ones writing the storyline, but there’s something oddly poetic about a terrible Onestar Super Edition that makes me feel like HE wrote the book instead-)
Just goes to show how female characters aren’t properly represented in warrior cats :(
@@rainbowskystar2740 for sure, rest in peace good written Whitetail and Smoke
This is why I don't read the new Warriors books. Because of crappy writing. So if I want new Warriors books, I'll damn well write them myself!
They gave whitetail more personality as a background character then as the pov character’s love interest
I stopped reading onestars confession on Chapter 13.i could not handle the revolting way the she-cats are portrayed
I really hope they stop with the weird age gap relationships. Pebble and Hawk, this, Spottedleaf, Moonflower and Stormtail… I want something wholesome that doesn’t feel like it’s predatory
Yeah.
The book has all sorts of grammar mistakes, mistakenly calls Onestar “Heathertail” at one point, removes the part of his confession scene where Whitetail claims “our own leader did that!” due to her randomly being his mate (I know her being his mate was retconned a long time ago but them just brushing past that dialogue annoys me anyways), an inner dialogue/thought that was italicised remaining italicised even after the dialogue is over, other grammar mistakes.... like I know books are hard to edit but wtf....?
I’m really upset about the turn out of this book😔 I thought it was going to be really good, and Darktail had every right to become a villain. I also wish Darktail would have killed onestar instead of the other way around.
I think the thing I honestly hated most was how obsessed with Smoke he was throughout his entire life. He would literally be thinking about her "soft fur and pretty blue eyes" and how much he wished he brought them into the clan while laying right next to his current longtime mate. I already hated Onestar but this book make him look like such a scumbag
I was honestly about to throw up when Sorrelshine was revealed to be Whitetails mom. So that would make her Crowfeathers cousin! The Erin’s are just making things worse for the books.
Hopefully Riverstar’ Super edition will be better.
Which makes Onestar related to her. To put it simply, she’s his brother-in-law’s niece. Because Deadfoot is his brother-in-law and Whitetail is his niece. And another thing. Heathertail is also Crow’s cousin, but from his mom’s side. And since her mother is Whitetail, Heather is also his first cousin once removed, since that’s what one’s cousin’s kid is
And Breeze and Heather are first cousins once removed, since Heather is Crow’s cousin. But since Whitetail is also his cousin and she’s Heather’s mother, they’re also second cousins.
(Second cousins are what a person’s kid and their cousins kid are to eac other) and Breeze’s dad and Heather’s mom are first cousins because Deadfoot and Sorrelshine are littermates
Anyone else miss good Onewhisker from arc one?
I miss well-written by warriors standards Onewhiskerstar so much.
@@fishs.failureson5114 Yeah, Onewhisker first becoming Onestar, falling apart from Firestar, and just generally turning into a jerk was well-written and compelling, he became a character readers loved to hate for a good reason. Now he’s just poorly written, people hate him for the bad writing the authors gave him and not because of his genuine character.
The books just have too much mate drama. Take Crowfeather’s insane love life. He loved Feathertail when he was an apprentice(I think there was a big age gap) and when she died, he settled on Leafpool because she reminded him of Feathertail. That just feels so wrong in my opinion because you should settle on someone for love not because they remind you of an ex or someone. Than there’s the whole thing of them having kits together and having to keep them secret and they have to end the relationship. To prove his loyalty to WindClan, he settles on Nightcloud and they have a very sassy tom together. Breeze pelt is basically Crowfeather as an apprentice his whole life but rider and a ton sassier. I get that the writers want the books to be interesting but having toxic relationships and making the she-cats seem helpless and clueless gets on my nerves. I hate how the toms are written as if they have full control of the she-cat they are mates with.
First age gap between cats is pointless if they are adults.
Second in the field guide and crowfeathers trial he never compared leafpool with feathertail thats a fandom idea.
He loved them as two Unique she cats.
My books about mongooses, and their conflicts. All female.
Amber: finds out a dreadful secret about mongooses outside of the packs. Se's brave and curious, and becomes Leaf-pack's third leader. She embarks on her journey in life, and all of her life, someone was giving her prophecies and warning about the future. That mongoose turned out to be her late father, who always knew she would do good. Sure, she has some mate conflicts (like Pebble dying and her becoming mates with the once grumpy and heartbroken Summer Sunset) But the plot of Destiny and Clapping Thunder goes beyond that.
Crystal: While she has a loving mate and two pups she cares for, her conflicts focus more on friendship, her pack, and journey to a new home. it was hard for her to leave her sister. Crystal became the first leader of Leaf-pack.
Honeycomb: She is a single mother with two pups, but her pups are grown, and she has a friendship with Crystal.
Cherry: Cherry never had an interest for love. A couple generations after the main villain for books 2, 3 and 4 dies, he becomes the villain once again in book 6, and tries to teach her evil from the Darkplace. But confiding in her grandfather, the senior healer.... well, I'm still thinking on it, I'm only on book 3 xD but she does good!
Then for villians:
Rain: Not much is known about her, until later when her pup is revealed. Then I have to figure out the rest.
I need more female villains >:/
P.S. I've been developing Amber's character for three years now. I believe she's well written, and she has a Scratch game, and I plan on working with a PC gaming company. I feel like she'll be a great character, and girl-power lead.
Why erins, why?!
The Erin's need new writers. I dont know who thought this book as a whole would be a good idea "I bet the fans will love how Onestar falls in love with his former apprentice! " I honestly would love to re write everything after the first arc (The first arc is a masterpiece) and of course make independent tough she-cats that dont have a mate and dont have trouble with kits and stuff. The Erin's could do so much better.
0:22 at first i thought that said “ashfoot - gay she-cat”
The writer's writing modern Warriors books reminds me when Bojack Horseman tried to write his own book on drugs
Im kindof concerned for the writers, if they think writing this stuff in a book, thats *considered and targeted for CHILDREN* is okay. Sure, great writing strategy to make it so its ehat Onestar thinks, but they give no clues for that (im assuming, im still in POT) so theyre still accountable. Yikes.
the warriors writers are just out of touch with reality...... I didnt read the boook but the whole time you described how awful onestar treated his mates I thought :
clearly thats the main conflict in the book for onestar right ?
but then you said the entire not blaming yourself thing and I was like : ok I think im good not having read a warriors book in 2 years....
Its INSANE how the writers just CANT actually look at what they are writing and go : hey I know we WANTED to write something but we are actually writing something COMPLETELEY DIFFFERENT !!!
thats the ENTIRE Bramblestar and Squirrelflight thing all over again!
and even Spottedleaf and thistleclaw!
Either the writers are just completeley incompetent, or they just dont care enough to actually write something good.
Poor smoke and white tail they deserved someone better
So sad that they turned Whitetail who seemed like a genuinely interesting character into “Onestar’s love interest” like HELLO?? We have a chance to make kindve a minor character into a really cool character l. And the fact that Whitetail completely forgave Onestar for being an awful person to Darktail and Smoke was just horrible. Whitetail’s only personality was “I’m in love with Onestar” throughout the entire book and this scene just proves it and I hate this!!!! Warriors needs new writers for the
books and these new writers can start by rewriting Onestar’s Confession.
I'm refusing to accept this version of Tallstar. He would never let anyone like Onestar into StarClan, he is the king of character development in Warriors as well as (as my headcannon) a supportive feminist gay guy
bro. they were going good in the first 6 series but then i hated the broken code and now onestars confession is portraying massive age gaps and nothing but misogyny by only putting the female characters there for onestar. they seriously need new writers, like cmon. im 14 and a young writer and even i think i could do better than that. they should rewrite those chapters and give the females a stronger personality to make it overall better to read.
The whitetail thing didn’t bother me as much as it probably should have. Or maybe I just stopped caring when the fandom gets up in arms about stuff like this I can’t tell anymore.
I don't think that part was that bad in the way the fandom is upset about. Like the age differnece isn't ideal but it seemed to me Onestar didn't care a bit about her till she got hot which is the objectification problem more then the peevy problem. Either way written poorly. Fandom is upset it's another mentor and apprentice thing which is care but it only started when they became warriors and it seemed clear since he was with Smoke he didn't consider Whitetail an option as an apprentice unlike Thistle.
onestar literally reminds me of bojack horseman
Honestly, warriors cats just turned into a war zone. I think the other books the Erin Hunter team is producing (Bravelands and the bamboo kingdom), have a better potential. To explain, the first arc of Bravelands went off great and had a dramatic and peaceful ending . (Expect one character that I think negatively about)
I hate this whole “He’s the hero so he’s always in the right!” Trope. It’s so disgusting and honestly I’m just not going to read this stupid series anymore
I don't think they wrote him as a hero, but as an insight of how he came to some decisions. And that's really interesting.
I always hated Onestar, I thought I was at maximum hate levels.
I was very wrong.
I've not read this book (and I probably won't, at least not before I've read everything else to "complete" the series), but I wish Onestar was sent to the Dark Forest.
Not only is his cruelty and selfishness far worse than some DF cats (most notably Juniperclaw, but I would also make a case for some of the others too), but by doing that they could also have explained many of the poor choices in this book as evidence of Onestar being a bad guy (it still wouldn't be great without the book aknowlaging his flawed reasonng, but at least it'd be something).
This video has inspired me to make a video exposing how gross modern Warrior Cats is, it’ll take some time though
I can't believe I actually liked Onestar in arc 1 😠 Books 1-6 seem like ancient history now