The New Super Edition Is A Mess - Sunny's Spiel | Warriors Analysis
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- This is definitely not an average video, hence the Friday release. When I read this book I was originally planning on just writing up some notes and passing thoughts to put up on my Twitter and Discord as I do for almost every new entry to come out in the Warriors series. However, as I was writing those notes, I kept noticing how repetitive I was and how many of these complaints had been said, by me, several times before. This is a summary and breakdown of the problems with Onestar’s Confession, but it is also in a way my lookback on the negative trends that have been building up both in the last few years and over the entire series’ run. It’s not especially positive; sorry about that. There are parts of this series that I love dearly and I’m not giving up on it but this book is emblematic of all the Warriors trends that don’t just frustrate me, but they, at this point, bore me.
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I hate that Darktail was turned into another "born evil, can't change" villain.
It would have been so easy to make Darktail a victim of circumstance. Instead of him killing another cat and attacking a human child to get booted out of their home, the owners could have just abandoned them or died. Then Smoke could manipulate him into thinking it was Onestar's fault.
A Darktail who was raised on the idea of "if only dad had taken us in, I would not have suffered" is so much more interesting than "I am evil and caused my crap situation but it's still dad's fault".
Tbh can we name one morally gray Warriors villain? I feel like every time there’s potential for one the writers end up ruining it
@@_kaleido Mapleshade. That's it. Probably why so many people like her so much.
@@SLTheOneAndAwesome19 Eh...She's really freaking evil too.
@@legrandliseurtri7495 Yes, but her motivation isn't born/prophesied to be evil or ambition. It's grief for her kits' deaths and her feelings of betrayal (despite the situation being her own doing).
You could kinda interpret it this way with how we don't directly see Dartail growing up. Maybe the kittypet he kills is like the ones that harassed shadowclan, or was sneering and bullying him and he snapped. Maybe the kid was young and dumb and pulling on the poor cat.
To be fair... Deadfoot is probably the only cat who's allowed to say running isn't the only way to hunt, because *he* must have learned a different way
Yeah, and the one cat in Crookedstar's promise with a crooked jaw who taught him how to hunt.
@@erynnmurphy2996 Fleck the farm cat and the cat with a crooked jaw named Domino
( I had to flip through the book for this )
And jagged peak! Holly taught him how to hunt with a faulty leg :)
I find it funny that StarClan are less bothered with Onestar abandoning his son and more that Leafpool and Squirrelflight broke the code even when their actions were all for the sake of their kits. Who is in charge of this whole "StarClan's judgement" thing? :/
Also, when reading the book, it seemed to me that Onestar was more worried that WindClan would judge him for breaking the code and less the fact that HE ABANDONED HIS SON.
Or how Onestar caused the death of some shadowclan cats for absolutely no reason.
And the fact that the only reason Squirrelflight and Leafpool only did what they did was because Yellowfang lied.
YEAH! Squirrelflight and Leafpool actually cared about the kits, and their kits were so mad at them. Even though they did break the warrior code, but Onestar did worse! Abandoning his own son! And he got off easy! WHY?! Onestar's character has developed so poorly throughout the series. This book should've never happened. It should've been about Flametail! Not this example of poor character development.
The son was a kittypet so it ok
When the male character gets totally absolved of his sins but the female characters have to fight for their innocence 🧍🏾♂️
It makes sense for you to do one take and not edit much because I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what the Erins did with this book
Lol
This is one of the only few jokes/funny remarks I've ever seen or heard that made me laugh and actually think it's well thought out
I feel like that's been their strategy for the past 30 or so books lol
And yet she put more effort into this than any of the Warrior books since arc 1
If they HAD to have Heathertail as Onestar's daughter that is such a missed opporutinity for Darktail showing bitterness and DRAMA about the kit Onestar loved and raised in AVOS
Onestar is the worst Flanderization in the entire series, he went from a really good character to an insecure leader living a facade of hating his best friend for his image to an unsympathetic and selfish jerk. It really is tragic how a well loved character becomes one of the most hated.
I think Onestar would make for an interesting villain in different circumstances. If we had a Crow, Breeze, or Heather POV in POT/OOTS then we could see the perspective of a cat living under an increasingly volatile and bitter leader. Instead we just got random moments of him being an ass and then this SE trying to make us care about him.
I’ll never forgive this book for just completely ignoring the eclipse battle literally WHAT
Please say sike
@@mark9960 I wish I could…….
IT DID WHAT????
NAH THANK GOD I GOT THE GRAYSTRIPE BOOK INSTEAD
@luvcarla SAME I DID THAT TOO.
I honestly thought about scrapping the whole no hard cover in my collection idea. So glad I bought the greystripe book
Onestar has to be one of the worst written characters in the entire series, and this book made it even worse.
Yep. Starts out good, gets bad over time but he miiight have been good before tha- AND NOW THEY RUINED HIS PREVIOUS SELF TOO DANGIT-
Onestar is the reason I'm so optimistic about Harestar, he doesn't have a whole lot going on right now but I love his timid and kind personality yet his willingness to break his leaders rules to save other clans, like a mini less confident and less important Firestar
Onestars involvement in Arc 6 made it a chore to read
What was wrong with Onestar's writing before this book? To me it seemed like he had a realistic enough motivation for turning against ThunderClan that got labeled as unrealistic simply because he wasn't in the perspective Clan.
@@anikbrinckerhoff1037 the motivation was cool and could have been interesting but it was poorly paced and executed.
That’s right..
I’m so frustrated because this had the potential to be an awesome super edition. I wanted insight on Onestar’s brain because he’s extremely interesting to me, but somehow they focused on all the WRONG parts!! Talk about how he had to change himself to become a political figurehead. Talk about the gradual process of Onestar growing to hate his former best friend, Firestar. Talk about how being forced into a leadership position last minute affected him, maybe even let him hold some resentment towards Tallstar for that! Talk about how unprepared he was to be a leader. Talk about how the coup made Onestar paranoid within his own clan. Talk about the increasing isolation as Onestar’s actions drive everyone away.
Whitetail has so much potential in this book. Honestly we saw her shine when she became Breezepelt’s mentor and when the fourth arc happened and she went to go look for water. But the authors just tossed her into the, Pretty nice future mate pile.
Wait, she was one of the cats on the Dovewing quest?
@@bengal4047 Yeah, she and Segewhisker represented WindClan on the journey.
It’s such a shame because she was consistently characterized as being a calm and well-respected warrior that many cats even outside of her clan respected! She is kind, but it comes from her calm and respectable demeanor as opposed to just being the stock mate archetype. I also love that she practically called Mudclaw an idiot to his face at one point.
I reaaaally want a warriors book that takes place in the distant future or distant past just so that we do not need to know anything about family trees that get more and more gross the more we know about it....
Honestly, distant future implies worse inbred family trees the further you go. Hopefully the new rule about joining a new clan evens the family tree situation out after many generations.
I like this idea but if they keep writing after a starless clan then they'll have to start another trainwreck with filling in the space and the events.
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I mean… if you jump really far ahead, the inbreeding wouldn’t be that big of deal anymore. I’m talking about at least 50-100 years.
I really hope Riverstar’s super edition can break this awful streak of super editions, but unfortunately the trainwreck that is onestars confession makes me doubt that
It's probably going to be awful which sucks because I really liked Riverstar in Dawn of the Clans. I don't want them to ruin his character like they've done to so many others.
So far, the only super edition I've liked is Tigerheart's Shadow. To me, it made Tigerheart more likable. Even if all that likability goes away later when he starts attacking Skyclan
I’m glad that almost none of the truly bad ones are canon (except the absolute stupidity that is Crowfeather’s Trial) Crap like giving Yellowfang superpowers and the monstrous book is making me lose faith in Super Editions. Dovewing’s Silence, Firestar’s Quest, Squilf’s Hope, Hawkwing’s Journey, and Tigerheart’s Shadow, and Mapleshade’s Vengence are the only books I’ll attempt to defend
@@aj_killjoy I didn’t mind crowfeathers trial up until they redeemed breezepelt when dovewings silence was CLEARLY setting him up to be a future threat/maybe villain
@@MelonTartVA even if I wouldn’t do that personally I enjoyed that they made Tiger an impulsive character and him attacking another Clan sounds in character as Jayfeather put, if Shadowkit was dying not only is Tigerstar an impulsive character he is also a grieving father
Darktail was such a strong, smart character who was super clever. And this book decides.... no hes just "crazy" evil murder child. Didn't like that. Also was hoping for a throw away line for Onewhiskers name but nooooo.... though they skip over every possible interesting thing they could have done so why am I surprised
also so mad about the "its ok if you do bad things as long as you try your best" looks at Juniperclaw. Decide starclan. ALSO that Whitetail just is like, ok bad but its ok!!!! "I have a good relationship with my daughter" never shows it
I had hopes for this book but urg of coure
Also was there a single mention of Sol????????
Not one, no. He only existed in Power of Three and OoTS, two important arcs for Onestar that this book completely skipped over.
To paraphrase Onestar’s confession: “Well, well, well, isn’t it the consequences of my own actions.”
Truly they managed to make a super edition of a character without writing about his character. I wish they would have shown so many events, I wish they would have included how he felt about the dark forest trainees and Breezepelt being in a relationship with his daughter.
im gonna rate this book one star.
I love this
The abrupt timeskips felt like car accidents and the Whitetail passage couldn't have been worded any creepier. Such a disappointment, I was really looking forward to early arc stuff.
Yeah this sums up basically all my problems with the story.
If this story needed to be told, it should've been a novella. That would have forced the authors to actually focus on the new content of Smoke and Darktail and might have even successfully portrayed Onestar as the lying little kitty he is lol. It would have forced the authors not to mess up the old stuff that was already there, because there wouldn't be time for that - there's no consistency when they do this type of story, they're always a huge mess.
Genuinely, it feels like the editors and authors are doing this family tree nonsense out of spite at this point, because how could they not see the Heather/Breeze situation they were making? They made that tree, do they even look at it? Also; Onestar can be Whitetail's mentor without being her mate, but you definitely do not have to point out how she was your apprentice while considering her attractiveness, Onestar. That just does not help you.
The prophecy from the Tribe was genuinely awful. It was not needed, not once OR twice. The one saving grace of this book could have been that it had no prophecy nonsense, that Onestar made his own bed with his own two paws - but no, of course it was all meant to happen... and if it was meant to happen, why even bother with considering Onestar's placement in StarClan to begin with? If it's all set in stone, don't you already know how this is going to go?
There's so much wrong with this story that I'm reconsidering buying a Super Edition that covers any segment of a past series. It's always messy, mishandled, and butchers what little character these cats have. This could've been a story about Onestar being unrepentant for his actions and doing some genuine wrongs right up until consequences hit him in the face. It could've been an exploration of his and Smoke's likely toxic relationship. It could've been an exploration of what makes an innocent kit turn into a manipulative monster.
Y'know what? This should've just been a Darktail story - but they would probably mess that up, too.
After The Broken Code's mess of a plotline I've now sworn off throwing any more of my money at the series in general, so I would recommend you do the same. I already have the entire Prophecies Begin Arcs all the way up to like Book 4 or 5 of The Broken Code, *including* Dawn Of The Clans. They don't need anymore of my money, so I'm just renting out any future books from my public library. >:P
(But if you want to continue supporting the series financially that's completely valid too
@@yuukokagami yep, this is the book that made me say, "ok, my options are now getting these books from the library, buying them used, or not reading them at all from now on. No more money for these guys."
So from what I've heard this book should be renamed Character Assassination: the Novel. It makes me irrationally angry that they did my boys Tallstar and Gorsepaw so dirty. Like did they forget Tallstar's entire backstory or???
Welcome brother! I’ve been here since Crowfeather’s Trial!
i agree now they do to tallstar and gorsepaw it's unacceptable they litterally spit in our mouth
As someone who liked Thistleclaw as a villain...welcome to the club.
I’m SHOCKED. They literally cut out all the interesting stuff in this guy’s life, WHY
because they are lazy and want to tell us THEIR story and it is urterly discusting
Because showing us his actual life would make us not agree to send him to StarClan, that's why
@@yawninglion1677 well honestly he doesn’t even deserve to be in starclan what happened last time Starclan did that they almost got erased by ashfur looks like they will never get what they’re problem is and learn from their mistakes
@@sophietremblay3795 I agree, that's my point. This book would not have been able to justify his placement if they showed his whole backstory. THAT's why they skipped it.
@@yawninglion1677 honestly it’s pretty obvious that they need to reconsider the characters who deserve to go to starclan and characters who don’t deserve to go because at this point it’s just pathetic and annoying
I was really hoping to see more of Onestar and Firestar's relationship and able to see them in Starclan and see them try to get along with each other again, while Onestar is filled with regret and occasionally try to avoid Firestar out of guilt. Nope. Not even once did we got that, even when Onestar's relationship with Firestar was really important to his character and change, we didn't at all got that.
This book is really disappointing since there's a lot of things they could've got into the book that is really important. Hell, I was really hoping for Onestar feeling like he didn't deserve his place in Starclan and he has to work to get the forgiveness from the people he badly affected, especially Firestar. The pacing is atrocious.
to be fair onestar and firestar do talk in the comic but not extensively
Lol since when do we ever get what we want with this series at this point
The way my jaw dropped hearing what they time skipped over.......they had so much early-series content to work with.......and just didn't for the sake of supporting a ret-conned villain they never needed to create LMAOOOOO
Yeesh that characterization of Tallstar is what’s personally most disappointing for me. He’s such a popular character for being so tolerant and having a compelling story regarding him and Jake and they’re just gonna??? Ignore that??? Huh okay. And God they missed the mark so much on everything else I just felt like mentioning Tallstar specifically because that just hurts man
It really bothered me that they skipped over the Brokenstar exile plot. They had a huge opportunity to introduce some characters we didn’t know about previously bc they die in the battle that forces WindClan from their homes. Initially I was hoping that’s how they’d explain Brushpaw not being there but he just gets killed off in a non important border skirmish :(
I vaguely remember wanting a Onestar super edition a few years back when I read The Last Hope, specifically to show Firestar and Onestar's friendship from Onestar's perspective. That friendship was one of the details that really stood out to me from the whole series, and I wanted to know just why it deteriorated. It's disappointing to learn that Onestar ended up getting a super edition, only for the one thing I really would have wanted from it to get cut out
I haven't read the full book, only the excerpt, and it's especially bothersome that Tallstar seemed so impatient toward Brushpaw and Tansypaw since he basically was in love with Jake, a kittypet, back when he was a warrior. I guess it could be argued that he was trying to save face but it's so bothersome.
It's like the authors don't realize why readers want books about "non-protagonist" characters we saw in previous books: to see their relationships with those protagonists! Of course we didn't have to retread all the events we saw during Firestar's life, but everything the authors' skipped was what readers wanted to know.
As a bigger issue, the Erins are deathly afraid of writing a POV character as morally distasteful. Cats in the gray area (like Blackfoot or Onestar) are treated as victims or simply under bad circumstance.
Do you like Hollyleaf, Breezepelt or Ivypool? Do you wanna see characters choose the wrong path willingly? Well that’s just too bad because Warriors has undergone a hard reboot circa-2016 to make all their books kid-safe and easy for new writers to mass-produce with little prior knowledge of the series!
I’m rlly hoping that when Riverstars Home comes out then they will do the super edition taking place AFTER The Dawn of The Clans arc, and that it will ACTUALLY be good. We know Kate Cary has been working on it already so maybe just maybe it won’t seem like the authors were racing to see who could finish writing a novel first.
with the way onestars confession turned out, I am dreading riverstars super edition:[
I didn't know it had a title yet and PLEASE Erin's have it take place after dawn of the the clans for the love of god PLEASE don't realise 3 questionable super editions in a row I beg of you!!!
@@aliviahouk7018 it’s not 100% gonna be the name, it’s just what Kate Cary referred to it as. It could very well be named something else like Riverstars Hipsterness
To play devils advocate, if it does cover the Dawn of the Clans period, it wouldn’t change much since iirc Riverstar barely showed up in that arc for the major events. He was always fairly chill and laid-back. What was he up to?
I read the book when it came out and yikes this books pacing was horrendous and it’s good to know that I wasn’t the only one who thought this book didn’t add anything new 😔
It really didn't need to exist. It was basically a recap book.
I legit can't believe they had Smoke die to a monster. Seriously, the bloody obvious choice was to have her drown! Specific attention was drawn to the fact that Darktail preferred to drown his victims, and it was implied that he got that preference from something in his past. They didn't even try to make it some kind of clever red herring like 'oh you like drowning ppl bc that's what happened to your mom?' 'huh? Oh, no. I found out I liked drowning ppl when I fought some loner and drowned them in the stream to win. I liked the sense of power I got from feeling their struggling grow weaker as the water choked their lungs' . Have Smoke drown, and have a young Darktail trying desperately to save her but ultimately fail. That was what I was expecting all the narrative attention towards his M.O. to lead up to. It feels like such a no-brainer that it's infuriating. As a writer myself, I had to just take a moment to process that they gave _Smoke_ a throwaway, hit-by-a-car death. I mean for god's sake, you could have demonstrated how physically strong Darktail was by having someone mention that he's drowned several kittypets in their waterbowls or like a bird bath during his Twoleg place rampage, to show just how little water he needs to be effective
That sounds so creepy and horrifying, but I absolutely love it. I know the warrior books are supposed to be for kids, but they did cover some of the darker aspects in the past.
@@CatoftheStorm looks at og tigerstar's death at the claws of scourge.
@@catandrobbyflores Frecklewish getting her eye bitten by an adder and slowly dying in agony
That's really messed up
They could have fixed a lot of things easily:
Recon Heatherstar's death in Tallstar's Revenge, another supplemental book, making Onestar peer to Firestar
Making Brushpaw and Melody join a little before Windclan's exile, killing Brushpaw during the battle
Before it, making Onewhisker warrior, leaving behind Brushpaw in his assessment
Onewhisker, freshly new warrior, after the exile had to mentor his peer Whitepaw after her mentor dies(If i were the author i would have made Stagleap her mentor), who isn't really happy to be trained by such fresh warrior, even if she is close to end her training
Of course they could have made Onewhisker and Smoke bond during tbp, until he get gorsepaw as an apprentice and they start to hanging out like much less to the point he didn't saw her for weeks
After gorsepaw dies, he get depressed and kinda started to resent warriors life, so Smoke ask him to join her. He kinda likes the idea but say no, that whatever happens, he has a duty
Whitetail and Onewhisker meanwhile bond as friends. Whitetail really loves kittens and help queens even if she doesn't have kits
New prophecy, they all starve and many kits die. Smoke sneak close inside windclan territory, even if Onewhisker told her not to because warriors are very mean toward outsiders, this proving smoke, despite being a nice and smart cat, isn't made for clan life at all, but not because she is a kittypet
Onewhisker and Smoke discuss, he denies her to enter, both because he is afraid of her to die and also he is embarassed of his forbidden relationship with her, as he is getting very popular within his clanmates after being a bit off after gorsepaw's death
After Onewhisker denying smoke and then also Darkkit to join the clans, while at ravenpaw and barley's barn, i would have made him going back to the twoleg place to see if Smoke would have been abandoned like she said, and he goes there with Whitetail, who he tells about their relationship, but not about Darkkit. From the window of the twoleg's place he see that new owners are kind, treating both smoke and Darkkit well. Whitetail push him to tell her they are leaving, but he does the mistake to not afraid that if she(they) saw him, she would have joined anyway, even if all her fears about being abandoned were untrue
So whitetail knows he had a relationship with smoke, but not about Darkkit
Also i would have made harespring also his son because making him deputy, despite being a dark forest trainee, because he didn't trust many cats in his own clan would have been interesting
There were many ways to fix this mess, they decided for the worst! But at least his characterization was very good and I loved when he was paranoid about darktail in the last chapters
I wish this was the case. That would be a book I'd want to read. Your ideas make the book seem cohesive and flesh out actually interesting parts.
This is what happens when you have multiple writers who don’t communicate about the canon of a story
“Because I don’t think this book is deserving of my time.”
Ouch! Apply cold water to burn. It would’ve been funny if you took out the spoiler countdown too, as well, nobody cares about spoilers if the book is a mess.
Okay, but on a serious side, we’ve seen enough of Onestar and there is nothing more to do with this guy. A good guy until he got all paranoid with Mudclaw, became bad, and f-ed the clans one last time until he died. It would’ve been much better off if we got a Darktail Super Edition, Darktail’s Hatred or something. We could’ve seen an unexplored relationship, Smoke and Darktail (dude barely talked about his mom in VoS), against an underutilized background, Twolegplace. You know how much the Warriors fans want to see books about other groups/places aside from the main lake / forest territories, the positive reception to the super editions, the positive reception to Graystripe’s Vow and Warriorclan being examples of this. Super Editions / novellas / mangas started out as a way for the authors to tell us about implied or untold events of the main warriors storyline, and it’s a little sad that they’re kinda moving away from that, and more towards known events from a different point of view.
And my friend, Deadfoot kinda has a twisted paw that kinda affects his running. Makes sense he’d be the guy to talk about catching rabbits in other ways.
Cats can get around in surprising ways. But yeah I agree with you. I personally didn't like Greystripe's Vow because the whole mob mentality they used in it pissed me off. The Thunderclan of old never acted that way, especially towards Firestar. And the fact that they were all acting so out of character made me mad.
I feel like tallstar just let onestar into starclan for shits and giggles
Starclan has a record of doing that. Ashfur with Yellowfang. Also Mudclaw, but Winds of Change made it seem like he was manipulated more by Hawkfrost who did go to the Dark Forest.
Or he feels ashamed for ever choosing this dumb guy as his deputy, but finds it easier to pretend like Onestar still deserves starclan instead of admitting he fucked up.
tallstar should let mudclaw to be leader
I just can't fathom why they thought a Onestar book would be at all a good idea. This is exactly how I expected this to go and its hilariously sad.
It's because they don't listen to the fans. They actively ignore what we want.
I can tell you their exact thoughts. *ahem "it makes money because the readers hope we will actually go back to writing good stories again!"
So, basically.....I can skip this book. Since EVERYTHING I would be interested in reading about from Onewhisker/Onestar's perspective is not in the book. Good to know. Thank-you.
Honestly, if writing like this keeps up, then it is sadly time for the Warrior's series to end. At this point the books are just lazy cash grabs.
Honestly still devastated that my FAVORITE non-ThunderClan cat growing up turned written like this. Onestar was such a cool, wonderfully kind character in the first arc.
The main problem with this book is that they had to cover FIVE ENTIRE ARCS in the span of a single super edition. And then they skipped over all Onestar's most notable appearances like with Firestar, his exile, his exclusion from the Clans, and Darktail. Also I think I've read somewhere Darktail made it to the Dark Forest because he spent so much time with the Clans and/or knew very well how they functioned.
They should have made that StarClan made Onestar tell all of them of his life and afterwards, they have him say what he thinks will happen to him. Onestars thinks he's going to the Dark Forest but StarClan says he was going to, but he redeemed himself by sacrificing himself and killing Darktail.
I really wished we could've seen some of the more imortant scenes, such as friendship development with Fireheart and the battle in Eclipse. I really would've wished to see some of Onestar's thoughts
Theory: remember that poll about Onestar's book cover? I wonder if that was also a vote on where he ended up. I hope the Erin's aren't that lazy.
Oh gosh I hope that wasn’t the case-
Small notes on how I'd change the book if I had the power. First off, scrap the whole thing. Ashfoot and Morningflower are no longer related to Onestar. Whitetail and Onestar are friends from apprenticehood and they train together, their relationship growing naturally. I'll keep Brushpaw (cause I liked him), Melody, and Bailey. They'd still leave the clans the same way they do in books, and Onestar sneaks into twoleg place with the rest of the apprentices, Onestar meets Smoke and becomes close to her. Brushpaw gets his warrior name, Brushthorn, and is sitting his warriors vigil when Shadowclan attacks WindClan camp. Before Brushthorn can call the alarm and wake the clan, he is killed. Bailey flees WindClan with a few kits, fleeing for the twoleg place. (Some of the clan gets separated during the ambush) small timeskip for the clan settling in in the tunnels, onestar hunts and defends his clan the morning before Fire and Gray come to bring them home when Whitetail, and Ashfoot pull him into a conversation about Brushthorn's death. Could lead into a conversation of kittypets can be warriors, but if StarClan allowed Brushthorn to get killed during his vigil, they mustn't approve of kittypet warriors. Tallstar breaks this conversation up, stating that was all bad luck and if the young warriors had nothing better to do they could go hunting or make sure the area was safe. That night Fire and Gray come and help windclan back to the forest. Add in more Firestar and Onestar interactions, Gorsepaw is Onestar's first apprentice and we see some training between the two of them. We see brief flashes of Gorse's death, Tiger's alliance with BloodClan, and the twolegs encroaching on clan territory. (Skipping most of the new prophecy cause there was too much of that. Yes it was important to Onestar's life, but we can scrap a lot of it.) Before the clans leave, Smoke searches out for Onestar and tells him she's pregnant. Whitetail overhears their conversation, leading into a very rocky relationship when they head towards the lake. Onestar never meets Darktail after he's born. The next morning the clans leave the territory, and Onestar tells Smoke before they leave that starclan doesn't approve of kittypet warriors, look at how Brushthorn died on the night of his warrior vigil. She doesn't buy it, knowing about Firestar, leading into an argument between onestar and smoke. She ends up getting upset and making the vow of making her kit hate the clans. Now we get a timeskip, and we get to Tallstar's death and Mudclaw's issues. While Onestar leads the clan as Onewhisker, he overhears his clanmates saying things about Onewhisker's relationship with Firestar and ThunderClan. This is the beginning of Onestar's decent into being focused on WindClan's survival. He vows to be less dependent on ThunderClan. More brief moments in Onestar's life, the badger attack against ThunderClan, the constant visits from Firestar and Onestar's growing irritation towards the ThunderClan leader and their involvement in WindClan, and the gathering that builds up to the eclipse battle. Have a chapter or two on the eclipse battle and how Onestar plans the attack on ThunderClan. Have moments from Po3 and OotS to flesh out more of his decent into madness. Then get to Darktail's arrival, Onestar hears him announce the infamous words to not only Onestar but all clans. This leads into rocky leadership with WindClan, some cats begin questioning Onestar's leadership and it explains Kestrelflight going against his word on denying herbs. Onestar is losing his clan's respect, and this includes his mate, Whitetail, and his kit's respect as well. We get the AVoS pov for Onestar and it leads into his death. From there he and Darktail have the Squirrelflight and Leafpool version of a trial. StarClan decide that Onestar barely made it into StarClan, as he had attoned during the rocky leadership eith his clan. Tallstar lectures him.on the mistakes he made in life, and Onestar is very ashamed. The news of Onestar's acceptance into StarClan causes Darktail to attack him during the trial. They fight once more, StarClan breaks it up and Dark is sent to the dark forest, ending the book. The comic stays mostly the same , cause I actually enjoyed that. However, I'd fix Darktail's illustration, the illustrator made him a white tabby in both Tigerheart's shadow and Onestar's confession, which is distracting to me since he's a pure white cat with a black tail and black fur around his eyes.
When you were talking about Onestar's family members, I couldn't help thinking of how... Bad it was. Especially with the siblings... I always imagined Morningflower being his aunt or something in my own personal headcannon. The headcannon I made when I was, like, 13. That took many liberties. That still ended up making more sense than the relationships in this book. (Not saying mine were perfect. They were literally just AUs made by a middle schooler) but jeez. The book probably has... Some... Good parts, but definitely not the familial relationships. It's just honestly funny how a middle schooler came out with more accurate timestamps for an AU than CANON WC did with... Well, canon. (Sorry bout the long comment, writing this at, like, 1:30, lol)
They already confirmed Willowpelt. We can just say that darkstripe was from an earlier litter as long as we don’t have patchpelt in the mix we’re perfectly fine
It's a bit of a nitpick, but I was really confused as to why his mate's mother (Sorrelshine) and two ancient WindClan cats he never met (Wind and Gorse) gave him lives, but Deadfoot didn't? Deadfoot was the deputy for a long time and Onestar's mentor. It's like they just forgot he existed.
I really wish the whole thing with Smoke was more like: Onewhisker calls himself Onestar to get credence with the kittypets and makes up elaborate stories (as previous material said he did). Smoke falls in love with this idea of him and ends up pregnant. She's stated multiple times that she is thinking of joining the clan (not telling him she's preg) and Onewhisker keeps denying this bc he makes up excuses. Smoke's twolegs abandon her or something similar and she goes to Windclan herself, determined that her One'star' would have to accept her if she announces she's pregnant. Once she gets to WindClan though, everyone is hostile and chases her out despite her crying out she's Onestars mate. Onewhisker won't look at her and flat out denies her. Without any where else to go, she gives birth to her kits and two die, leaving Darktail. She instills in him that the clans hold no love and are simply lying, cheating cats who only want power or to be seen as powerful. She drills in a cat named Onestar is to blame for their suffering in particular. (Tbh i also like the idea of Smoke being a part of broken BloodClan instead of a kittypet, as it would give a reason Tallstar rejects her and she would instill in Darktail stories of the only clan that took care of her and the morals they had, leading him to start the Kin as a mimic of BloodClan)
i haven't read this book myself and don't really intend to, so take this with a grain of salt but the way this seems to handle onestar as a character from what i've heard is.. upsetting to me? because i unironically, genuinely think onestar was actually a good character with solid potential but only in the subtext of areas this book apparently barely touched on at all. he's essentially forced into a last minute leadership position by his leader and his best friend, which he desperately doesn't want, and that puts a massive target on his back due to the fact he can't secure his lives at the moonpool and mudclaw is clearly jealous and aggressive/threatening towards him. he has barely any allies (esp with tallstar dead and firestar back in thunderclan, and after in his eyes, both played the part of putting him in this position in the first place), and is viewed as weak by the people around him. that insecurity and fear turning to desperate bad decisions and bitterness over time is an infinitely more interesting character to me than anything they could pull with just the smoke drama, though they could absolutely complement each other if written well. the fact they'd skip over, yknow, the building of his relationship with firestar, or the drama with brokenstar, or his entire connection with gorsepaw, or the eclipse battle, or apparently ANYTHING that would be interesting or impactful to see from his perspective is just a cherry on the cake. (... obviously not to mention that them canonising him being mates with his apprentice is painfully and extremely inappropriate and kind of a permanent tarnish on his character that's solidly in writing now and not just a weird wiki author statement fact. sigh.)
Just finished it today. Got to say, Onestar deserved Darktail stalking him like a ghost - he basically gave rise to the The Kin indirectly
The pacing astounds me, there is SOOOO much potential. But nope. Just nothing. They just skip.. SO MUCH and I don’t understand why, what does this achieve??
Can you say what the potential was? I'm curious to hear-
@@galaxydeathskrill5607 How Onestar got Leopardstar to team up with him in the eclipse battle, Windclan being driven out by brokenstar, his relationship with gorsepaw who we literally never see again, there’s so much to work with and it’s not acknowledged at all
@@possumqe9751 holy sh*t yeah, now that you mention it...I did want to see what happened in the Eclipse battle, and it just skipped over, and I was like "wait we're _not_ going to talk about this? We can talk about how he had to put Firestar aside, but not what was going on during that battle?!" Yeah, on the other hand, Windlcan's drive out, that would have been a great scene sigh!
Totally unrelated, Onestar looks really cute on the cover lol
One part I found weird was when Onestar heard about Violetkit joining the Kin and felt sympathy for her. But then the very next chapter, he's treating her with hostility and wants to kick her out of camp when she comes to him with Tigerheart and their patrol. How I would make that flow more naturally is have Onestar not really care about Violetkit because she's none of WindClan's business. There's other moments like that where it feels like what Onestar was saying didn't line up with what he was thinking. His dialogue was just copy and pasted from previous books to line up the events with no thought to how disconnected it is.
27:15-27:37 so SquirrelFlight’s Secret gets out BrambleClaw flies off the handle breaks up with her immediately and doesn’t speak to her again and makes her anxious with how cold he is towards her Because deep down she desperately wants to make it up to him
OneStar’s past relationship Get out no consequences star clan did not tell him to do this or keep it secret or have an affair with a kitty pet whitetail only goes I wish you had told me and there are no consequences other than him drowning himself….
I can’t tell if that’s sexist or just massive SquirrelFlight Bias sigh
"Oh look there's a Firestar right there!"
I feel like they made onestar one of the most unlikable characters in the main arcs so from the start I felt like onestar was a weird choice for a super edition
Please do more longer videos, I love them!!!❤️❤️❤️
i don't know if it was canonized earlier but this book DID canonize ashfoot's mate being her brother's mentor and also the deputy of the clan (possibly even at the time of her being born)
also i just want to mention that morningflower, sister to onestar and ashfoot, became mates with a cat who was a warrior at the time of her _leader's birth_ lol
Five minutes into the video and I'm already tempted to pull a Sunny and rewrite this story. I'd love to see what I could do with Onestar, since I loved him when he and Firestar were friends and their separation always broke my heart. I had hoped to see both be formidable characters and their relationship remaining heavily strained, but with a veil of respect.
Onestar belongs in the Middle Place
I'm saving this to watch once I finish reading, but I know already that the whole Brushpaw thing pissed me off to no end so I'm very much looking forward to watching this later.
Warriors canonizing a bunch of family relations but not doing anything with them is such a shame. It would have been interesting if maybe Heathertail was sympathetic to her father's forbidden romance due to her friendship with Lionblaze while Whitetail feels betrayed. Is Darkstripe ashamed to be related to Graystripe or is the relation never acknowledged by either of them? So many interesting stories to tell but nope we gotta include all of these names but forget to actually make characters out of them.
I would've liked to see Onestar's reasons for leaving Breezepelt without punishment.
I mean at least im glad onestar didnt have feelings for whitetail as a paw.
I don’t know about you but I REALLY REALLY REALLY want a super edition of Mistystar’s kit Reedwhisker, he wasn’t really fleshed out in the book so he won’t be OOC. How did his Clanmates react to him being half Clan through his mother? Did he feel like he had a lot to live up to with Bluestar as kin? Even if she was ThunderClan? Did he struggle with that at any time and feel like he wasn’t really RiverClan?
See this COULD have been a very interesting book if they didn't have to humanize and constantly neglect the established characterization. I would have liked to see what happened within First arc WindClan and the darktail stuff if handled much better. Also get rid of the disgusting amount of incest?? What the actual heck
13:06-13:09 This is the most passive aggressive video I've ever seen from Sunnyfall.
16:53 Wait seriously??? Smoke wasn't even on screen until this moment? Did the editors accidentally edited out a few chapters right before printing or what?
17:50 So they did the same shit as leopardstar and blackstar's books, where instead of confronting the morally questionable choices the characters made, the authors poorly remove the ''morally questionable'' side of things entirely.
21:25 It doesn't look like it, it is completely incoherent.
29:00 Did he really ''save the clan''? The kin was already beaten. Anyone could have killed Darktail, and many cats deserved that chance more than him.
So I made a warriors fanfic when I was 13, and it was really bad. I didn’t establish much personality, or dynamics, and had to explain parts that really should have been shown.
Now that I think about it, Onestar’s Confession is just like that fanfic…
*I dont have alot of time*
Also Sunnyfall: *32 MINUTE LONG VIDEO*
And don’t forget the extra 32 seconds!
@@gayfeather lol of course
sometimes i wonder what the series would look like had the Erins actually WANTED to write it instead of being commissioned to.
i love how when we found out about this book after the last super edition vote had just ended and then they were like oops lol we already made another book soooooo... Choose the cover?
Incompetence: **exists**
The Story Team: Watch me _S W O O C E_ right in!
Is anyone gonna mention how he has more than one whisker on the cover
I thought he was named because he had one gray whisker
Two things I did actually like about this book was Onestar during the AVOS section. I think his paranoia and aggressiveness is portrayed really well, and her perspective during that section makes you actually sympathize with him.
Also his hatred towards Firestar actually makes sense, and I’m glad they didn’t make up another stupid reason for it. I’m not saying it’s justifiable, but it makes sense. His clan mates don’t believe he is a rightful leader and he keeps leaning on Firestars shoulder. This makes Windclan seem weak, and he needs to keep a motto of “putting his clan first.” He even has a passage about how he wish he had friends
I am only reading this book so I can rewrite it.
Pray for me.
While I agree with most of this, I will say that in this one instance Onestar learning Thunderclan hunting COULD have made sense. If the Erins had any awareness they could have made the scene more about how Deadfoot creates accommodations for himself as a disabled cat in an obviously ableist society. I can imagine with his impairment running after rabbits would be hard, so it makes sense that he could have found ways to compensate for that difference. We don't get a lot of good disabled representation in Warriors and as someone with a disability I think it would be cool for them to show how a disabled character is capable in ways that don't always fit the society they were born into.
Sadly, I don't think the Erins considered this and are solely walking back worldbuilding and taking away the few distinct cultural differences between clans.
love your videos sunnyfall, really good analysis!
They had to skip so much to justify Onestar being in StarClan because they showed his increasing instability and cruelty they wouldn't have been able to call him "not evil".
Onestar was such a huge creep and massive jerk in this book it always annoys me that onewhisker got into starclan after all he did including what he did to shadowclan in thunder and shadow 14:25 that paragraph is so creepy i never have and never will like the idea of mentor and apprentice becoming mates its so creepy and so qrongnon so many levels the mentor is supposed to teach the young cat to serve their clan not become lovers
Mudclaw literally wouldn't have been that bad of a pick and books like these just prove my point.
Mudstar! Mudstar!
Thank you for saving me from reading this. This sounds almost like warriors is about to go downhill forever if they don't start something NEW new. I know they are trying but they are tripping over themselves. Tho I would love a book from Jango's POV. Completely separate from the clans
Genuinely, as long as Warriors is published by Harper Collins, things will only get worse; they’re incredibly conservative and as a result we will never get fully nuanced or morally grey characters or LGBTQ+ representation. Everyone who is a “protagonist” has to be morally infallible or “just someone who made some mistakes :(“. It’s why I gave up on actually reading the series and only consume fan content- at least the fans give a crap about what they’re producing.
And to think we could have had a River Ripple super edition in our hands right now
Thank you for making this video, hearing you list and critically anaylze a frick ton of the blaring issues I've been seeing happen again and AGAIN in these books is so validating! So glad to know I'm not alone in losing my mind over the constant choices these authors make 😄
I think that the whole Whitetail x Onestar thing could have been solved easily if Heathertail were only Onestar's by him raising her with Whitetail. Like, it would have been nice if Whitetail made a similar mistake in forming a relationship with a cat outside of WindClan, only for that tom (be it a cat from another clan or a rogue) to abandon her like Onestar abandoned Smoke and Darktail. He could have seen the distress his former apprentice was in when she confided in her mentor what happened and he agrees to help cover up who the real father is by stepping in as father. Them becoming romantically involved could easily happen after Heatherkit is born, or even not at all other than making appearances so cats don't think too much about the kit's parentage.
Also thank StarClan I wasn't the only one that thought this book was so awkwardly paced. It was bad enough I just couldn't finish reading it with all the weird things being thrown at me and I just felt so defeated when I realized I was only on chapter ten.
Disappointing they skipped over all that potentially interesting backstory for weird new story plot. I won't waste my time with this one.
Yet another novella that I just pretend doesn't exist, followed by Spottedleafs heart and Redtails dept.
same😂
I'm honestly going to say the new writers aren't doing much research and basically aren't trying anymore for the one off books like the actual series. I have a feeling their trying to get the books to stop or that they just don't actually care for these characters other than the ones they made.
The authors trying to kill the series... That's a very interesting theory. Them just being sloppy an uncaring is more likely I think, but funny thing is, I don't think they're succeeding either way. From public opinion it seems like they stopped being able to write good books a while ago, however that's not nearly enough to kill the Warriors fandom. I don't know what it would take to actually make people quit Warriors, cause apparently bad writing isn't doing it. Also, at this point the fandom might just decide to completely ignore the new books and write their own in the form of AUs. That is kind-of the direction that the animator/artist segment is moving towards, and Sunnyfall here is taking a shot at improving at least two of the arcs. It would be hilarious though if all the warriors fans came together for a collective "Hey Erins, *this* is how you're supposed to write a book," and produced a complete text
One of the things that always bothered me was how much Onestar changed. Like, I get that people change, but when I see people talking about his later life it's like he's a totally different character. I'm not surprised his super edition is also a mess.
That passage... Dear god... It honestly wouldn't've been that bad if they had left it out. It would've still been awkward and uncomfortable to have them be together but not downright creepy. But once it revealed that he had seen her as nothing more than her former student then developed feelings for her after seeing her like that? Jesus christ that's gross and I draw the line! It's not as bad as warrior cat pedos but it's still needlessly creepy smh
It seems to me that the Hunters themselves do not understand what to do next with the series and what people like in the first arc
It seems to me more and more that they can't even agree on canon between themselves, and they just take all their ideas and try to put them into one plot, which only results in spoiled characters and a pure misunderstanding of why it's needed
My opinion is, the Warriors need a reboot. Deconstructing the series and scrapping the outright crappy ideas of the last few arcs is what the series really needs
fun fact graystripe is related to silverstream if graystripes mother is willowpelt that means his father is whitestorm so that means his grandma is snowfur so his great aunt is bluestar so his great uncle is oakheart and by extension crookedstar is his great uncle so silverstream is his cousin
I first got into the Warriors series when I was 11 years old (I am 20 now) and looking back, I realize how flawed and unorganized these books are. Sure, they inspired some of the greatest roleplays I've ever had in my life and was the idea behind so many OCs I grew attached to, but it's honestly frustrating. I think the series has just been going too long that original plots, ideas, etc. are being forgotten/mixed up. I believe the Erins confessed that they rely on the wiki for information, which means they don't remember much about oh, you know, *their own characters.* It's almost like they don't reread their own books or proofread anything before publishing it and I don't want to give them a hard time because I'm sure there's a lot of pressure to keep this series going BUT I honestly think it should've ended long ago. Onestar's Confession is only piling on confusion as well as making readers uncomfortable for various reasons. While I do enjoy what we've been given for A Starless Clan, I think this series has been dragged out for way too long. I enjoyed this video a lot because I have no interest in buying or reading Onestar's Confession for myself, so analyses like these are always appreciated under those circumstances.
Juniperclaw being denied access to StarClan's hunting grounds is another example of the Warrior ancestors oversight. I do think Onestar could've been more deserving but I think StarClan was right to deem him worthy of forgiveness and wrong to demean Juniperclaw who's history of codebreaking is less severe compared to Onestar's and had also died as a hero in the end.
yes. god i just finished this an hour ago literally im still in the lurch of just. UGH. it is actually tilting just how much of a mess a single book made. jesus.
i like warrior cats, i dont care that warrior cats isnt perfect in quality but this isnt imperfect this is a fantastic screw up
Honestly, I didn't mind this book all so much. There were things I like, things I didn't like, and some things that I felt were a missed oppurtunity. I do agree however that this book was a mess. It's very clear to me that this book was rushed out to meet a deadline, and I wonder if they released this book because they wanted more time to work on the Riverstar book. I know the website said that this was always meant to be the 2022 super edition, but that really could be them covering their asses. They might have expected Mistystar or Ivypool to win the poll, and were taken aback by the surge of interest in a Riverstar story. To me, this story team excells more at super editions that tie into the main story: Moth Flight's Vision, Hawkwing's Journey, Tigerheart's Shadow, Squirrelflight's Hope (it's a branch novel between AVoS and TBC so it counts), and Greystripe's Vow are all examples of this. Crowfeather's Trial was a unique case where it was a prequel that took place within the scope of the main story, and I believe they did that very well. I haven't read Leopardstar's Honour just yet, but based on what I heard, it shares a lot of the same problems with Onestar's Confession. Honestly, they should just focus on the modern day characters at this point, from DotC's onwards. They didn't have anything to do with Leopardstar, and they spent very little time with Onestar before they killed him off. They don't have the same grasp on these characters that Vicky had, and it shows. Modern day Warriors is still really enjoyable, but despite the many years that has passed, it seems that the editing team has yet to find their proper footing.
Thanks for reading my Ted Talk.
Only good this book did for the series was give us that cover art of extremely polite looking Onestar with a bad case of the airplane ears
I had hoped that the windclan super edition would prevail as always but I suppose not, guess I will just read this book for the sake of reason it.
I feel like Heathertails pov couldve been more interesting. A strained relationship to onestar. Processing grief. The struggles of breezepelt beung evil for a while. Moving on from Lionblaze. I dunno.
They took an interesting villain like Darktail, and ruined him by making him evil for evil's sake. They Thistleclawed him.
Mud claw probably would’ve been a more interesting leader
I’m so glad I watched this instead of trying to read it first. I paused and contemplated during the spoiler warning
I’ve an AU of Onestar’s confession/ more like a rewrite. Onepaw starts off as a headstrong cat who is inspired by his cousin, Mudclaw, though his empathy keeps him from being the strong cat he wants to be.
Once Melody/Tansypaw and Leo/Brushpaw and Bailey join WindClan, Onepaw brags his stories to Tansypaw, who is especially affectionate with Onepaw (and in this AU, Onepaw is born later without littermates)
Brushpaw dies and Tansypaw is traumatized, though wants to avenge her brother and stays in WindClan, though keeps her name, Melody. Onepaw is made Onewhisker and Bailey earns a new name, Moorwing, Onewhisker and Smoke (y know secret meetings) become mates and Smoke is expecting his kits, though Onewhisker is mates with Melody. Onewhisker (of course) leaves Smoke and Darkkit, lying about his promise, journey, blah blah blah.
Onewhisker is made leader since he’s like Mudclaw, Mudclaw is angered, leads the rebel group, blah blah blah. Melody has Onestar’s kits later, Heatherkit, Harekit, Kestrelkit, and Galekit. Galekit ends up dying and his remaining kits live till adulthood. Later Onestar returns to find out that Smoke died and DarkTAIL is one the loose.
Okay, Onestar is killed and he tells Tallstar he thinks he did good. But Tallstar refuses, saying he was selfish and too strong for his own good. And he is brought to the Dark Forest, later getting revenge to attempt to kill Tallstar, but Crowfeather blocks him, one of the Lights in the Mist, and the gray deputy ends up dying. Onestar teams up with Darktail and makes Mistystar ill, killing her, guiding a badger to kill Reedwhisker, then fish dogs to the Moonpool, killing Curlfeather. Onestar goes for Brightheart next