That’s good they are facing a lawsuit for being cheap using silicone glue to seal the engine instead of using real gaskets, the engines are blowing up with 20k miles. It’s a lawsuit with all new Toyotas.
@@jcsjcs9777 most companies use RTV now. It’s quicker and easier to program a robot to squeeze goop on the engine than it is to have one programmed to cut various gaskets for each little piece on the engine.
@ Using a robot to do the job lol, it’s going to cost them big for being greedy. I was looking into getting and so glad i didn’t instead i bought a 2024 Civic Type R
The RTV issue does not appear to be the main reason for blown engines. It seems to be the oil starvation when turning very hard and the oiling system not being designed well for that. Unfortunately most regular cars and even most sports cars up to the 1990/early 2000s have the same issue with oil starvation under heart loaded turns. Look up Accusump. It is a pressurized oil reservoir to help with this problem. Most club type race cars based on cheap cars needed Accusumps prior to the 2000s. Full blown race cars typically go with a dry sump to completely remove the problem but that’s really expensive. Cheapest thing that has a dry sump oil system is the c6 Z06 Corvette, I think. So may be hard to not possible to win a lawsuit if Toyota fights it. BUT Toyota should have done a better job and based on their history I would expect them to settle and not fight it much. Also almost all engines in cars that are under $100,000 are machine assembled. Including most if not all Honda engines.
@ agreed, Toyota is mostly likely to settle and move on. The sad part about the oil starvation issue is this is a common issue on boxer engines. Porsche had this issue but eventually figured it out. You would think Subaru/Toyota would have done this before heavily marketing this as a fun sports/track car but at the end of the day it’s a budget sports car and not a $100k+ Porsche.
@@atpgarageatl Toyota just recently dumped Subaru, their next GR86 engines will be built by Toyota and they will be using gaskets. They finally realized they fucked up.
Thanks for this video! I've been on the fence pulling the trigger on the Hakone edition 86. I'm in love with the green paint and tan interior. Hearing you talk about the recall/reliability issues was a nice gut check, but also cool to hear what you are doing like with the extended warranty. I think in tandem to your point of aftermarket, I only realized recently how much of advantage it is to have such a big community. My brother owns a 2016 Mazda 3 and he tells me how limited aftermarket options and support is. My first car was a WRX which has insane aftermarket support and knowledgeable people. I was able to find answers for literally everything, actually invaluable resources. Hearing you talk about the supportive community really puts some anxiety to ease and makes me feel more comfortable with making my decision on the 86. ....Plus I get to keep my current wrx tuners since the twins platform is also FA lol! Just gotta find one not marking up an arm and a leg....
nah, as someone with a 24 86 with 2k miles on it I should NOT have to worry about it randomly blowing up, period. I fully support this lawsuit and while I still love my car Subaru/Toyota needs to be held accountable for these fragile engine imploding before 100k miles but they keep using bs excuses not to honor warranties.
@@TouchofKarma1 to be clear I support the law suit. Manufacturers should Be held accountable for bad products. My points were some things are blown out of proportion while some things are legitimate issues.
@@atpgarageatl you are right, the car isn't just a scam at the end of the day, my frustrations were vented here towards the situation and not at your video and take on the subject. I love the platform, keep doing your thing bro!
Funny, i just saw an article that claims Subaru has surpassed Toyota in reliability.... The FA24 engine is used in many Subaru models. I've been buying cars for 50 years and have a 2023 GR86. You're not going to convince me that both Subaru and Toyota would ignore a simple amount of RTV used in production if it really was an issue. I've heard of a handful of blown engines in possibly a 100,000 cars? To me it's a non issue. If you're driving hard enough on the street to cause oil starvation, you'll probably meet a tree before you ever blow the engine....
@@joekagerer I agree with the notion that it’s not a major issue and most of it has been blown out of proportion. I do think manufactures will and certainly have in the past ignored flaws in their vehicles. There are numerous examples of this with just about every manufacturer. As for the reviews that talk about reliability you have to take those with a grain of salt. Most publications are reviewing a small sample size of cars in controlled environments. Beyond the five year mark not much data. Most consumers look at reliability from the standpoint of cost of ownership and frequency of breakdowns within the first five years and beyond.
I have a 23. Not to be super negative, but why do i feel like the most this lawsuit will do is help journalists write attention grabbing headlines and then go nowhere. I just feel like the failure rates aren't high enough for this to be a successful case. Im eagerly awaiting the verus oil pan as it has shown good results in early track testing.
@@sl0907 agreed and I mention the verus pan in my video. Like the first gen they aren’t perfect and likely won’t be repaired by Toyobaru but at least the aftermarket world creates solutions.
Thanks for your helpful information, I’m a proud owner of a 2023 GR86 SE 1th Anniversary don’t drive it much trying to keep as a collector item and the last vehicle I own; I only want to add a Turbo kit if when became available to the standard OEM if nothing else to increase horse power and not for racing, if you may come about please enlighten me thank once again Tony
@@tonyespinoza6978 thanks for watching and great choice in car. There are a few folks running turbo setups and more recently some running the harrop supercharger. I don’t personally have experience with either on this platform but a little extra horsepower and these cars would be perfect.
I've driven mine without removing the oil pan and went higher on velocity to 5w-30 when I go to the track as stated on the manual. Car is running fine. I think the lawsuit is being pushed out of proportion, little incidents without the whole story. Social media pushed this way out of proportion. I agree so far with this guy @7:35. I'll let y'all know when it blows up on my channel. I also hate the nit pickers on what's wrong with a cheap sport car. Good video
@atpgarageatl The manual, I forgot what page, but the manual states that if tracking car switch over to 5w30 and then back to 0w20. I could be wrong but Im pretty positive its there. Also I know where Im at isnt as cold as other places so I dont think I need 0w and if my state is one of the hottest out there, The engine could use a little more heat protection hense the 5w30. I wish I can talk to the engineers about this.
@ the manual may be different in reach region but mine says if you use a weight other than 0W-20 it can be done temporarily but needs to be drained and swapped back to 0W-20 asap. The forums seem to be all over the place as some regions say 5W-30.
@@atpgarageatl 122,000 km on the engine, drove a couple times a week, never hard, always had a 10 minute warm up. Serviced regularly, drove it like it's glass and still blew up. I'm not a mechanic, so I'm not going near it. My mechanic mentioned over the phone it is likely the valve spring issue. I checked before I bought it and it was outside the affected models (mine is a MAY 2013 Model).
@@atpgarageatl It's out of the recall range (here in Australia) which is why I bought it. It's my dream car, so a new engine it is. I've put a lot of work into it. My Toyota 86 playlist ruclips.net/p/PLKXxuSS8jsJLpyiXY_z2IFIXny8uqZayl
@@gregghunter2374 I recommend looking at reviews for dealerships in your area. You can also post on the facebook page gR86/Brz page or the forums and get people’s feedback on specific dealerships. Dealerships are all hit or miss.
@@atpgarageatlclosest we can have is the bmws 2.0 inline 4 from the gr supra but that would compete with that car plus I'm skeptical with any BMW product due to reliability.
@ yup that’s exactly why they didn’t offer it. The B58 engine from BMW that is in the Supra is a solid platform. BMW builds some decent engines it’s all the plastic junk that ruins them.
same im waiting. I'm not a fan of the boxer engine and has a few bad history dealing with subaru engines. Praying toyota comes out with one more gr86 with a toyota engine before 2030. Like tsuchiya said....manual is going to be nonexistant after 2030
@@isaacchavez1425 it will be interesting to see if this progresses any further and if it does if there is any widespread recalls for Subaru. I doubt it but interesting none the less.
@@atpgarageatli mean alot of cars can depend on the owner. But honda and toyota aren't as reliable as they were a decade ago. If you want reliable car ig mazda
@@fakethiscrap2083direct injection (unlike the dual systems which are less common) guarantee that cars will fail before 100k unless considerable invasive maintenance is undertaken at earlier mileages. I know first hand that an impeccably maintained Mazda with most interstate miles will not last either.
I know you mentioned insurances and how you mention it 'loosely' but we also have to point out that their services (insurance from dealership, etc) fall behind our expectations. It's great that we 'should' get insurances but paying for that extra protection doesn't seem like its promising, especially when when we expect that expected longetivity. Because of that, we end up taking care of our own cars and the burden ourselves--which is what you mentioned. Overall, I just miss the services from each technician pouring their own 'spin' because they're also car enthusiasts but are limited by their company policies/expectations. EDIT: I don't purposely make the car go over its limits, I just drive it for that premium feeling when I go to work since it's an hour drive. Nothing too crazy but I still maintain it based on everyone's guidanc on RUclips.
@@kotaro3018 I agree when you buy a new car there are certain things you expect like reliability and the peace of mind that the dealership/manufacturer will have your back if something goes wrong. There are too many examples where that unfortunately doesn’t happen so diy maintenance and good records keeping become a must do.
@atpgarageatl Yea, but being forced to normalize paying auto insurance for parts replacements that we won't potentially need or that might expire is plain stupid. We all know we ain't gonna need that crap till we hit 80k miles & the benefits will be gone by then. We can only maintain our cars to a certain degree and it's different for people because of their own mechanic skills. So it's just all false promises & it's unfortunate that eastern companies are losing their shine.
Miata Is Always The Answer….I thought about trading my ‘21 RF Club BBR for a ‘25 GR86 Premium but it didn’t take me long into my research to hear about the RTV issue with these Subaru motors. So I’ll just hang on to my beloved Miata (my 6th since 2001). They all have been dead nuts reliable.
It’s interesting if if lawsuit will solve against manufacturer, if arranger of lawsuit was Toyota owner . Will it means that Subaru will deny do anything as they will stay on they are not a Toyota? Or other way around Toyota will say we are not Subaru.
@@artyom188mph good question. I think the technicality is the car is built in partnership with Subaru and they specify the models so if it were to progress it would likely have to include both Toyota and Subaru. I’m not an attorney so I don’t know that to be a fact just my opinion.
@@RAY_FILET it’s hard to believe but it does. You have to jump through a ton of hoops to keep it but if you keep the car it’s worth it. The reason this exists is because they bank on you selling the car (warranty is non transferable) or the car being totaled. The % of owners who will likely ever use this is under 10%
@atpgarageatl Officially, I was never informed. I originally thought it was due to a minor front impact into a ditch. I later found evidence that the fire may have actually started prior to the impact but neither my insurance or Subaru would get back to me.
@@seenenough1200 agreed but even Toyotas GR Corolla is having issues now so not sure that’s great either. I wish they would come out with a modern 2JZ.
@@atpgarageatl Everything has issues. 75% of the vehicles strictly use direct injection which at the lower end at least makes the car disposable (this includes Hondas). Meticulously maintained cars will start losing gas mileage etc after the warranty runs out. I know a mechanic who handles high end cars and says direct injection is a “disaster”. So the GR86/BRZ don’t have this problem which is the worst type of problem unless you feel walnut blasting your valves every 5 years or less is regular maintenance. My impeccably maintained 6 year old Mazda will be traded.
That’s good they are facing a lawsuit for being cheap using silicone glue to seal the engine instead of using real gaskets, the engines are blowing up with 20k miles. It’s a lawsuit with all new Toyotas.
@@jcsjcs9777 most companies use RTV now. It’s quicker and easier to program a robot to squeeze goop on the engine than it is to have one programmed to cut various gaskets for each little piece on the engine.
@ Using a robot to do the job lol, it’s going to cost them big for being greedy. I was looking into getting and so glad i didn’t instead i bought a 2024 Civic Type R
The RTV issue does not appear to be the main reason for blown engines. It seems to be the oil starvation when turning very hard and the oiling system not being designed well for that. Unfortunately most regular cars and even most sports cars up to the 1990/early 2000s have the same issue with oil starvation under heart loaded turns. Look up Accusump. It is a pressurized oil reservoir to help with this problem. Most club type race cars based on cheap cars needed Accusumps prior to the 2000s. Full blown race cars typically go with a dry sump to completely remove the problem but that’s really expensive. Cheapest thing that has a dry sump oil system is the c6 Z06 Corvette, I think.
So may be hard to not possible to win a lawsuit if Toyota fights it. BUT Toyota should have done a better job and based on their history I would expect them to settle and not fight it much.
Also almost all engines in cars that are under $100,000 are machine assembled. Including most if not all Honda engines.
@ agreed, Toyota is mostly likely to settle and move on. The sad part about the oil starvation issue is this is a common issue on boxer engines. Porsche had this issue but eventually figured it out. You would think Subaru/Toyota would have done this before heavily marketing this as a fun sports/track car but at the end of the day it’s a budget sports car and not a $100k+ Porsche.
@@atpgarageatl Toyota just recently dumped Subaru, their next GR86 engines will be built by Toyota and they will be using gaskets. They finally realized they fucked up.
Thanks for this video!
I've been on the fence pulling the trigger on the Hakone edition 86. I'm in love with the green paint and tan interior.
Hearing you talk about the recall/reliability issues was a nice gut check, but also cool to hear what you are doing like with the extended warranty.
I think in tandem to your point of aftermarket, I only realized recently how much of advantage it is to have such a big community.
My brother owns a 2016 Mazda 3 and he tells me how limited aftermarket options and support is.
My first car was a WRX which has insane aftermarket support and knowledgeable people. I was able to find answers for literally everything, actually invaluable resources.
Hearing you talk about the supportive community really puts some anxiety to ease and makes me feel more comfortable with making my decision on the 86.
....Plus I get to keep my current wrx tuners since the twins platform is also FA lol! Just gotta find one not marking up an arm and a leg....
@@awk578 thanks for watching and hopefully you find an 86 soon! They are fun cars.
nah, as someone with a 24 86 with 2k miles on it I should NOT have to worry about it randomly blowing up, period. I fully support this lawsuit and while I still love my car Subaru/Toyota needs to be held accountable for these fragile engine imploding before 100k miles but they keep using bs excuses not to honor warranties.
@@TouchofKarma1 to be clear I support the law suit. Manufacturers should
Be held accountable for bad products. My points were some things are blown out of proportion while some things are legitimate issues.
@@atpgarageatl you are right, the car isn't just a scam at the end of the day, my frustrations were vented here towards the situation and not at your video and take on the subject. I love the platform, keep doing your thing bro!
gr corollas need to get in on the lawsuit as well, cause you know 85 mph
@@adam_bbing it’s a shame too. Engines catching fire…
those cars tht caught fire were more than likely tuned
@ I know one of the ones that caught fire was due to a repair at a dealership and apparently they didn’t reconnect the fuel system correctly.
It’s stupid for Toyota to even say that. We have speed limits around that speed. Pretty sure the also offer you a track day with a gr corolla
@ they offer a free track day and 1 year NASA membership with the purchase of all GR cars (Supra, Corolla & GR86)
Cleaned out my pickup tube at 500 miles. Never had an issue since, and ive pushed it hard.
@@bobsmith-qz2pv do you track yours?
Funny, i just saw an article that claims Subaru has surpassed Toyota in reliability.... The FA24 engine is used in many Subaru models. I've been buying cars for 50 years and have a 2023 GR86. You're not going to convince me that both Subaru and Toyota would ignore a simple amount of RTV used in production if it really was an issue. I've heard of a handful of blown engines in possibly a 100,000 cars?
To me it's a non issue. If you're driving hard enough on the street to cause oil starvation, you'll probably meet a tree before you ever blow the engine....
@@joekagerer I agree with the notion that it’s not a major issue and most of it has been blown out of proportion. I do think manufactures will and certainly have in the past ignored flaws in their vehicles. There are numerous examples of this with just about every manufacturer. As for the reviews that talk about reliability you have to take those with a grain of salt. Most publications are reviewing a small sample size of cars in controlled environments. Beyond the five year mark not much data. Most consumers look at reliability from the standpoint of cost of ownership and frequency of breakdowns within the first five years and beyond.
Nice level headed review.
@@tubehead8203 thank you for the feedback
I have a 23. Not to be super negative, but why do i feel like the most this lawsuit will do is help journalists write attention grabbing headlines and then go nowhere. I just feel like the failure rates aren't high enough for this to be a successful case. Im eagerly awaiting the verus oil pan as it has shown good results in early track testing.
@@sl0907 agreed and I mention the verus pan in my video. Like the first gen they aren’t perfect and likely won’t be repaired by Toyobaru but at least the aftermarket world creates solutions.
Thanks for your helpful information, I’m a proud owner of a 2023 GR86 SE 1th Anniversary don’t drive it much trying to keep as a collector item and the last vehicle I own; I only want to add a Turbo kit if when became available to the standard OEM if nothing else to increase horse power and not for racing, if you may come about please enlighten me thank once again Tony
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@@tonyespinoza6978 thanks for watching and great choice in car. There are a few folks running turbo setups and more recently some running the harrop supercharger. I don’t personally have experience with either on this platform but a little extra horsepower and these cars would be perfect.
Great video thanks for explaining all of it!
@@obamatrump7320 thanks for the feedback and for watching.
I've driven mine without removing the oil pan and went higher on velocity to 5w-30 when I go to the track as stated on the manual. Car is running fine. I think the lawsuit is being pushed out of proportion, little incidents without the whole story. Social media pushed this way out of proportion. I agree so far with this guy @7:35. I'll let y'all know when it blows up on my channel.
I also hate the nit pickers on what's wrong with a cheap sport car. Good video
@@ORG8 thank you for watching and for the feedback. Fingers crossed your car has no issues. Out of curiosity what made you switch to 5W-30?
@atpgarageatl The manual, I forgot what page, but the manual states that if tracking car switch over to 5w30 and then back to 0w20. I could be wrong but Im pretty positive its there.
Also I know where Im at isnt as cold as other places so I dont think I need 0w and if my state is one of the hottest out there, The engine could use a little more heat protection hense the 5w30.
I wish I can talk to the engineers about this.
@ the manual may be different in reach region but mine says if you use a weight other than 0W-20 it can be done temporarily but needs to be drained and swapped back to 0W-20 asap. The forums seem to be all over the place as some regions say 5W-30.
@@atpgarageatl What! I did not know that. Cool. Thanks for the information.
@@atpgarageatlI switched to 5w-20. So far so good. Have a 22 gr86.
As a 2013 86 owner whose engine blew up on May the 1st this year, I hope it's a recall situation.
@@Aearonjer sorry to hear that. Have you torn the engine down to know the source of failure? How many miles did you have on the engine?
@@atpgarageatl 122,000 km on the engine, drove a couple times a week, never hard, always had a 10 minute warm up. Serviced regularly, drove it like it's glass and still blew up. I'm not a mechanic, so I'm not going near it. My mechanic mentioned over the phone it is likely the valve spring issue. I checked before I bought it and it was outside the affected models (mine is a MAY 2013 Model).
@ sorry to hear that. I’m surprised it wasn’t part of the original valve spring recall. Do you plan to keep the car?
@@atpgarageatl It's out of the recall range (here in Australia) which is why I bought it. It's my dream car, so a new engine it is. I've put a lot of work into it. My Toyota 86 playlist ruclips.net/p/PLKXxuSS8jsJLpyiXY_z2IFIXny8uqZayl
@ clean car! Definitely give an update once you have the new engine.
Why would it not include the 2024? Since the 2022 & 2023 are identical to the 2024? I have a 2024 BRZ limited in automatic.
@@J.R.F.23 It likely has to do with the time the lawsuit was filed. 2024 models may not have been out yet.
I would like to buy one.... is their a dealership that is better then another to buy from?
Subaru or toyota. Don't matter which.
@@gregghunter2374 I recommend looking at reviews for dealerships in your area. You can also post on the facebook page gR86/Brz page or the forums and get people’s feedback on specific dealerships. Dealerships are all hit or miss.
@@gregghunter2374 either one it’s the same car minus suspension and a few aesthetics like the front bumper.
I would love to jump into the 86 platforms but the boxer engine is what kills it for me.
@@vivi_75 if Toyota had developed their own four cylinder for this platform I’m convinced it would be the best selling sports car on the market.
@@atpgarageatlclosest we can have is the bmws 2.0 inline 4 from the gr supra but that would compete with that car plus I'm skeptical with any BMW product due to reliability.
@ yup that’s exactly why they didn’t offer it. The B58 engine from BMW that is in the Supra is a solid platform. BMW builds some decent engines it’s all the plastic junk that ruins them.
same im waiting. I'm not a fan of the boxer engine and has a few bad history dealing with subaru engines. Praying toyota comes out with one more gr86 with a toyota engine before 2030. Like tsuchiya said....manual is going to be nonexistant after 2030
@ fingers crossed they keep teasing an updated platform
Glad this doesn't effect my '24 WRX. I try to make smart purchases, so it might be I avoided a big catastrophe
@@isaacchavez1425 it will be interesting to see if this progresses any further and if it does if there is any widespread recalls for Subaru. I doubt it but interesting none the less.
You wish. It's a Subaru. It will surely be broken before 100k miles...
@@vitaminwaterdaisuki I disagree, Subarus can easily go over 100k miles but 200k not as much as say a Toyota or Honda.
@@atpgarageatli mean alot of cars can depend on the owner. But honda and toyota aren't as reliable as they were a decade ago. If you want reliable car ig mazda
@@fakethiscrap2083direct injection (unlike the dual systems which are less common) guarantee that cars will fail before 100k unless considerable invasive maintenance is undertaken at earlier mileages. I know first hand that an impeccably maintained Mazda with most interstate miles will not last either.
I know you mentioned insurances and how you mention it 'loosely' but we also have to point out that their services (insurance from dealership, etc) fall behind our expectations. It's great that we 'should' get insurances but paying for that extra protection doesn't seem like its promising, especially when when we expect that expected longetivity.
Because of that, we end up taking care of our own cars and the burden ourselves--which is what you mentioned. Overall, I just miss the services from each technician pouring their own 'spin' because they're also car enthusiasts but are limited by their company policies/expectations.
EDIT: I don't purposely make the car go over its limits, I just drive it for that premium feeling when I go to work since it's an hour drive. Nothing too crazy but I still maintain it based on everyone's guidanc on RUclips.
@@kotaro3018 I agree when you buy a new car there are certain things you expect like reliability and the peace of mind that the dealership/manufacturer will have your back if something goes wrong. There are too many examples where that unfortunately doesn’t happen so diy maintenance and good records keeping become a must do.
@atpgarageatl Yea, but being forced to normalize paying auto insurance for parts replacements that we won't potentially need or that might expire is plain stupid. We all know we ain't gonna need that crap till we hit 80k miles & the benefits will be gone by then.
We can only maintain our cars to a certain degree and it's different for people because of their own mechanic skills. So it's just all false promises & it's unfortunate that eastern companies are losing their shine.
Miata Is Always The Answer….I thought about trading my ‘21 RF Club BBR for a ‘25 GR86 Premium but it didn’t take me long into my research to hear about the RTV issue with these Subaru motors. So I’ll just hang on to my beloved Miata (my 6th since 2001). They all have been dead nuts reliable.
@@Dano-MX5 I miss my miata. I had a 91 NA with a hard top. It was fun to drive. Basically a street legal go cart.
Understand, thanks for your response happy holidays
Oooo' man, you are just blabbering... I gave up listening to your crap after 4 minutes with a huuuge headache
It’s interesting if if lawsuit will solve against manufacturer, if arranger of lawsuit was Toyota owner . Will it means that Subaru will deny do anything as they will stay on they are not a Toyota? Or other way around Toyota will say we are not Subaru.
@@artyom188mph good question. I think the technicality is the car is built in partnership with Subaru and they specify the models so if it were to progress it would likely have to include both Toyota and Subaru. I’m not an attorney so I don’t know that to be a fact just my opinion.
Got a 2024 and holding onto it until the MK6 Supra comes out
@@rasundesilva6088 I’m waiting on the new Celica.
Told you it was a bad idea, years ago but here we are in a lawsuit did I mention a Toyota breaking down
No way any warranty covers the drivetrain for the life of the car
@@RAY_FILET it’s hard to believe but it does. You have to jump through a ton of hoops to keep it but if you keep the car it’s worth it. The reason this exists is because they bank on you selling the car (warranty is non transferable) or the car being totaled. The % of owners who will likely ever use this is under 10%
@atpgarageatl that's awesome! Wow.
I'm much more concerned about the several instances of these vehicles bursting into flames in even a minor collision.
@@Fraginator the GR86/BRZ or the GR Corolla?
@atpgarageatl 2023 BRZ with 4,100 miles personally. I have also seen several posts on GR86s doing it as well.
@ your Brz caught fire? I’ve seen the videos of the ones blowing engines on track but not of them catching fire. What is the cause?
@atpgarageatl Officially, I was never informed. I originally thought it was due to a minor front impact into a ditch. I later found evidence that the fire may have actually started prior to the impact but neither my insurance or Subaru would get back to me.
@@Fraginator that’s crazy and concerning. Did you replace the car? If so, what did you buy?
i have a 2026 Gr86. Planning to sell it off once i hit 25k KM. Bought it a month back. Will sell it a year 😂
Toggaf for not saying why within first 30 seconds let alone 5 min
So I guess I shouldn't get one lol
@@i_read_bad_reviews that’s up to you. I knew the risks and still bought one. Live a little 😂
Fakkk i have a 2024 😢
@@BIbiVstf3sx just keep it maintained and enjoy the car.
Toyota needs to ditch the Subaru H2.4 and retrofit in a non-turbo inline six cylinder BMW L3.0 … Subaru quality is questionable.
@@seenenough1200 agreed but even Toyotas GR Corolla is having issues now so not sure that’s great either. I wish they would come out with a modern 2JZ.
@@atpgarageatl Everything has issues. 75% of the vehicles strictly use direct injection which at the lower end at least makes the car disposable (this includes Hondas). Meticulously maintained cars will start losing gas mileage etc after the warranty runs out. I know a mechanic who handles high end cars and says direct injection is a “disaster”. So the GR86/BRZ don’t have this problem which is the worst type of problem unless you feel walnut blasting your valves every 5 years or less is regular maintenance. My impeccably maintained 6 year old Mazda will be traded.