This was a wonderful review that really described how I feel about my car. I have a premium manual in trueno blue, and I honestly can say I am more in love with this car than anything else. Everyday is a joy to drive it. I find myself taking the long way home just to drive it more. The connection, the rawness, the light carefree nature, everything brings a smile to my face. Truly this car has saved me. I was so depressed driving my awful car everyday to work for 6 years while I saved and saved and when I saw the ad for this car I knew this was it. Now my life is amazing and this car really saved me. I will never get rid of it. One thing I’d recommend to new owners: Do the led swap kit from ftspeed. The interior lights, door lights, and reverse lights being LED make this car feel like a $60,000 car and just gives it that little bit of style. That being said, Toyota and Subaru did an amazing job. And what an excellent review. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing your experience and the awesome words. It’s amazing the kind of joy some cars can give us, and how it can truly lift us up. I hope they never stop making these.
I've watched a dozen+ reviews on this car. I kept trying to figure out why I couldn't stop watching yours. Then it clicked at the end: Zero background music. Love it! You kept both the shots AND the audio track clean. Just pure information; zero fluff. Subscribed! PS: Another differentiator? The overhead drone shots. So cool to see the car from all those new angles. Stellar work!
Why is this reviewer the only one praising the steering/handling of the car? All other reputable reviewers are saying the 1st gen car has better steering.
Couldn’t agree more. I just got mine, Premium Trim. It’s the first new car I’ve ever owned and I bought it despite not ever test driving it OR seeing it. I was blown away. I’ve had the privilege of driving a very wide variety of cars and nothing has put a smile on my face quite like this car. It’s nimble, quick, and stylish. You point the car where to go, and it goes there. And I definitely look back at it every time I park it. If you can get your hands on one, do it.
🚙That's awesome man. I'm also looking at a Premium Trim in Halo with Manual. I still have not test driven it but I'm so excited to be moving to this 86. I'm coming from an M235 AT. I just want something more reliable / MT / and morecost effective w maintenance. The GR86 (even though less in power) seems to be such a beautiful Coupe and sporty. Congrats on your 86! @Ty Young
Have to say, keeping your self in the passenger seat, a great angle works well and your commentary over the b-roll works well. So much better than when reviewer is driving and talking and then cutting between and the audio just not working that well due to background noise. Great work and look forward to watching more! Subscribed :)
I love your comment "If you don't look back at your car after you park it - you've bought the wrong car" - I so often look back at my Prius when I park it & walk away. You just confirmed for me that I bought the right car (for me)! 🥰
I have the 2023 subaru brz, it gets an average of 28 mpg, and it’s 2,700 lbs, I have no issues with acceleration or speed, it’s an absolutely phenomenal experience to drive. no one around has anything like it so it turns a lot of heads
When I first had my 01’ alpine white/imola red E46 M3 back in 2000 it checked all the things you talked about in this video. Now patiently waiting for my sapphire blue 23’ BRZ premium manual to be delivered to revisit that feeling of checking back after parking, taking the long way home, fine excuse to drive, etc.
Considering there are no new cars anymore under 10K (I think? Right?) and due to profit margins, the expensive fuel economy technology in large crossovers make them as fuel efficient as inexpensive small hatchbacks. So yeah, ICE cars will only drop in price when governments start cracking down on them even more than now
Great insights! I got my 2013 BRZ brand new when it launched and never seriously considered getting rid of it. Then Toyota enters the room and releases the GR Supra, GR86 and GR Corolla. Car enthusiasts are spoiled with options right now. Lol
I haven’t driven the GR Corolla yet, but out of the three, the GR86 would be my choice. The GR Supra is great, but the price, steering, and handling of the GR86 makes it the best performance buy.
I agree that the BRZ and the 86 are great for learning proper driving techniques. I would also recommend that buyers look into a low-mile C6 corvette with a 6MT. We bought a '12 C6 in pristine condition with only 11k miles for 27k and after adding Bilstein sport shocks with Michelin PS 4s tires the car has amazing handling and it is a blast to drive. Still debating trading in our '18 Civic SI for a new BRZ or 86 which would I feel would be a great daily driver. Also the 2.4L NA engine may very well be more reliable than these newer small displacement turbo engines. Great review!
I was cross shopping the 86 and Corvettes and ended up with a C5 Z06. Lovely car but has some gremlins I need to take care of as it's almost 20 years old...
@@tone3560 You clearly don't know how reliable the C6 with the LS3 and TR6060 is then. Do some research, many guys are getting 250k+ without any major repairs.
@@chrish8487 Im aware of the longevity of the ls3 and it is tempting. Plus finding a low mileage use 08+ C6 under 30k is pretty hard to do plus financing a used sports car with double the apr of a new car is just more deterring. If you had cash to just outright pay for it that maybe the determining factor for most. Buying a used sports car is trying to buy a used condom. haha
Have owned this car (Premium Raven) for a few days, and so far it has lived up to (if not surpassed) expectation. The look is hard to appreciate if you havent seen it in person, yes its small (which I was a little worried about) but immediately when you see it those worries go away, the thing has a nice presence about it. Only two things so far I wish were different are the high catch point on the clutch, and the turn signal indicator not sticking, but its not something you cant adjust to.
Look up how to change the engagement point on the clutch. Mine was the same and I changed it. Took all of 10 mins and really improved how the car drives.
I've been considering a used 718 Cayman for a while, but this was the car that actually changed my mind after getting behind the wheel of both. Don't get me wrong - stock for stock, the 718 is the superior car, but I honestly felt that the GR86 was better value for the money... for the price of a used Cayman, I could buy two of these brand new and while I love the 718, I really loved what I experienced in the GR86 as well. Now I'm just playing the waiting game - my local dealer is expecting to get allocated a 2023 Special Edition and I've got a deposit on it with the option to go for a Premium if they don't get the allocation. If you had told me a few years ago that I could afford a Porsche, but would buy a Toyota over it, I'd have laughed at you - these little things are amazing.
@@andrewrossnagel9433 You're right - I felt that it was better from an objective performance standpoint, but the level of engineering put into it has really removed some of the driving passion. It's a car that's all-business, so it doesn't feel anywhere near as playful as the GR86, it's the same reason I've said that I'd consider a GT350, but the new GT500 just isn't as fun. Some people want a car that's a monster in its niche, but if I'm buying a sports car I want it to be something that's fun and that's what the GR86 delivers over the 718.
@@Dreznin exactly. It did what you asked but it felt disconnected. Better lap times? Yes. Better time? Nope! Im gonna pick up a BR86 in a year or 2 when everything calms down and track it over my M3.
Similar experience for me. Sounds insane, but I actually had a deposit on a Cayman GT4. Drove the GR86, then immediately canceled my GT4 order. Of course the GT4 is a superior car, but I just couldn't justify spending 4x more money when the GR86 probably gives me 90% of the same fun factor.
Hey a fellow NNJRer! I run at MetLife with MSNE and SCCA! I recently moved from my 13 FR-S to a GR86 and I have to agree with every single one of your points in this video. This is the perfect evolution to this chassis and I couldn’t be happier. Hope to see you around at the autocross!
MetLife is the best autox place in the world. Great layout and the best people. I learned so much from that place. I’ve been on autox hiatus for a bit, but I would love to come back soon. Enjoy!!
Great video! I traded in my 2020 86 (which I truly loved) for a 22 Track bRed GR86 Premium and I absolutely LOVE IT! I am looking forward to hitting some of the winding runs in NC in October to see how it compares to the 2020 model. I think with the tighter tuned suspension, frame strengthening for less body roll that it is REALLY gonna be a LOT of fun!
I’d assume these will continue to have a great resale value too. Even if electric cars take over, someone is going to want to drive something like this
There are some pretty significant suspension differences with how Toyota and Subaru tune and setup suspension on these cars. Can’t go wrong with either, but Toyota does ride a bit stiffer around town.
Hanson, Good day, Sir. I hope you are well. Thank you for making this video. I understand that I have nothing to say that can be closely compared to this GR86. I would like to say that I owned a ‘77 Toyota Celica GT with the 20R (2.2 liter) engine and five speed manual tranny. I kept that gearshift knob out of that car because it has such a unique look and color to it. I owned a ‘90 Nissan 240SX KA24E engine (sohc) and five speed transmission. These two cars are the only examples I could even come close to comparing to the GR86. Those two cars I listed were an FR (Front engine-Rear drive) two door, 2+2 seating configuration that you have reviewed in this video. I loved the Celica’s rear quarter windows because you could crank roll them down. This was not the fastback. It had a proper trunk and the fuel tank took up half the space in the trunk. The hood was hinged at the front of the car, not the rear like almost all cars. There were vents in the hood that were stock. It was an ugly brown color. That sculpted rear fender was the best part of that car. And right behind the left rear quarter window was the gas cap. If I had a chance to get another one just like it, I would get one. But, maybe a GR86 is a better option too.
Owning a 2014 BRZ and a 2022 BRZ, the main disappointing point I find in the new model is that you have less steering feel and road feel than in the old one ....
You do an amazing review. I’m sold! I’ve been trying to find a sports car with a manual transmission that won’t break the bank, This one looks like it will do it! Keep up the great reviews!
Best review of this fantastic old school sports-car with manual transmission ,I test drove it today and it looks so good "live" the only negative thing for me is the a bit cheap interior plastics.
I’m currently thinking about a Pavement Grey one. You’ve got me thinking about getting Red again. I had a Red Nissan 200SX SE-R. I’d love to get another “Red Racer”. When you said that its a great all a rounder I think you had me sold. Also when you said it was great in the snow with the right tires you had me thinking about the Initial D 3rd Stage Movie!!!!!
Very good in depth review, even shots of highway driving and curves. Very convinced to pick one up in the next couple years. The available colors and 2.4 liter engine definitely sold me.
I own a 2013 frs and a 2023 GR86. My frs is pretty modified. As far as you can get without going Fi. The frs with a nice long tube EL header&full exhaust, ugraded coil packs, and injen induction box i had it dyno tuned. Makes 181whp 149wtq. Makes power different but above 4200rpm not much of a difference than my GR. My GR is stock except a really nice varex cat back. Pulls way harder from 2.5k-4krpm than the frs. The 2.4L makes such a massive difference in drivability for comuting. Love these cars.
Had a Celica back in the day, just got the 2023 and I feel like a teenager all over again. Not the fastest thing out there, but it’s definitely a blast to drive!
Having wanting a 86 since the first gen but not being financially able to get one, owning a GR86 has been an absolute joy. I think it was a blessing that I was able to get one when the second gen dropped, as I was always reluctant to pull the trigger bc of the old gens lackluster motor. They improved every aspect of this car, from looks to performance. It really is perfect.
I love your approach and speaking style. I subbed. Now, one thing no car review person does it seems is to imagine what it's like to be on your commute, or a long road trip, and have an expensive coffee beverage in your cup holder, and to have to drive, get the beverage out of the cup holder, take a sip, and put it back without spilling it. It seems car designers are making cup holders more and more awkward to do this with. This car has the cupholders shifted backwards in favor of some gadget, which I guarantee I won't be using as much as my latte, if at all. Right now my only car is a current design Subaru Outback, and I'd love to have a "fun toy car" someday, but at least I can sip my latte while I drive (safety first) and not think about it.
Got my '23 BRZ back in November. Love it to bits. Fun and comfy to drive and I know for certain I have a unique vehicle as around here I have only seen ONE other 2nd Gen BRZ/GR86 and just two old and very dirty FRSs. It's definitely filled my need for a manual car so I'm now lookin' to sell my manual V6 S197 even though I love it dearly, but I still want a newer S550 GT as the one thing a BRZ cannot fulfill is that awesome feeling of a Coyote rumbling and roaring.
"If you don't look back at your car after you parked it, you have the wrong car" - true, same thing goes for ... OK, I'd better stop, will get into trouble even if it's true :-)
Have a 2020 Brz Ts. Love it. Power dip and all. Not fast, but so dialed in. Only thing keeping me from the new model is a limited edition. Here is hoping before they make everything electronic... gah! In the mealtime, you can't pry my 2020 from my fingers! Cheers!
I own the same one too. You’re spot on with it being so dialed in. It’s unreal, and the best south of a Porsche (which arguably is indistinguishable aside from the higher quality feel the interior gives). Throw a forced induction kit on and you’re truly set. Already so choq full of supporting mods stock…
Considering these cars are going for $35k to $40k with markup the 230i M sport is actually better. More power, actual useable back seats, and still RWD.
Was thinking about getting one, the limited availability in europe, and some concerns about the power/torque lead me to buy a new mk4 Focus ST instead. Seeing the engine problems I'm pretty glad I didn't buy one, but I expect subaru to deal with the issues and fix it in the future. If the prices are somewhat reasonable, I'm thinking about picking one up next year as a summer-car.
You made the right choice. Subarus are famous for being shitboxes with oiling and head gasket issues, plus their transmissions are made of glass. You'd be so much better off buying American.
I have had the exact same car since taking delivery in 2022. It’s an awesome car - handling, looks and driving experience. Let alone the price point. I’m looking to increase horsepower by just enough to get more acceleration without having to swap out brakes and stuff. The only complaint I have is a a sticky second gear. Otherwise it’s a keeper.
I just placed a order for one give the dealership said it might take a little bit to get here however I couldn’t be more excited for it’s arrival. I’m going to make mine a dedicated canyon cruisers and I can’t wait
Got a big chuckle out of your comment, "If you don't look back at your car after you park it, you bought the wrong car." I didn't realize I was doing that until you made the comment. I have the BRZ Limited and couldn't be happier. I do live in the northern U.S., so I had to buy a set of all-season tires. Summer tires, here, are good for 4-6 months. I like to drive my car a little more than that! :-)
I keep seeing all the comparison to the Miata, and I think the GR-86 is a solid car no doubt. The Miata is a convertible and a toy, totally different segment.
These flat4 are bad at fuel efficiency, especially with the manual. I rarely get my gt86 under 10l/100km doing regular driving at average speeds. Almost the same as my C350... 1.7 tons 3.5 V6 272hp 2007. Ridiculous!
From my understanding when a car is rear wheel drive it tends to get worse mpg too since the engine has to move the long drive shaft to the rear differential. Vs a FWD car that basically has its engine connected directly to its transmission
Went from a base2018 brz new to a premium gr86, the steering feel was better slightly on the first gen, but man everything else is way more refined. By the way, hold the trac off and track button together and you remove all the nannies except ABS and can do the funnies
I had the scion FRS, loved it! Now i'm debating if I should get this car or just get a family SUV lol. Im at the point in life where I still want a fun car but I need to think about family practicality.
I have an m240i on order, but I've honestly been considering cancelling it in favor of picking up a GR86 and learning stick shift. The package that Toyota / Subaru has put together with this car just seems like such incredible value, and while the m240i is an absolute rocket ship, the GR86 just seems like more of a joyful car to drive.
I think I am in contact with five dealerships in the area trying to buy one at MSRP. To be honest I think it may be November or later till I can find a seller without a markup, but I keep hoping it will be sooner. In the meantime I can just keep growing that down payment.
I nearly bought a BRZ back in 2017, but couldn't quite do it. I wanted a little more from the engine. If this was the car they had then, I probably would have bought it.
Great Video I 💯% agree that driving this kind of car with ice tires on snow is a sh*t ton of Fun. I'm waiting on a GR Corolla (hoping for the Circuit) To replace my Fiesta ST.
It pains me to hear that he said that it is less then 30k$ in the us. In the Netherlands we pay 60+k€ for this and euro is worth a lil bit more then usd.
gotta remember our taxes in the states arent visibly upfront like a VAT in Europe. that 30K pricetag is several thousand over 30 but no where near the 60k you mention.
I am a race car engineer. In recent years (5 or 6 years) I've owned a 2017 BMW 340i, a 2017 BMW M240i, a 2015 Porsche Cayman S, and a 2014 Scion FRS. I still own the 2017 BMW M240i. Fastest 0-60 car I've owned. But, for steering feel, hands down, no comparison, the 2014 Scion FRS has the best steering feel (out of cars I've owned). It's like you are feeling the pavement with your hand. I sold the car because it wouldn't get out of it's own way power wise. Especially low end torque. I know the new generation is much better. But I would really like to drive one to seen how much better.
I agree with you. For the money, the GR86 is unmatched. I’ve started calling it the “Great 6”. Civic Si? The 86 is significantly faster, handles better, and is a far more pure sports car. It’s not even close. Miata? The 86 is faster, handles better, and is far far more useful. It’s a real car, not a toy. EcoBoost ‘Stang? GLI? GTI? Veloster? Throw pretty much ANYTHING at this car and I’d rather take the 86 home. I had to look at some pretty excellent cars to fight the GR86. I’m talking the likes of a 2008 Porsche 911 or AP2 S2000. THATS how good the 86 is.
I'm pretty much in agreement though I love the Miata. The combination of light weight + an open roof is hard to beat though I couldn't use it as an only car. The GTI, GLI, Elantra N et al. are different types of cars. I know people lump them together due to price point and love to sling 0-60 time arrows at the 86 but it's a pure driver's car. Some don't get it, it seems like you do. It and the Miata are among my favorite reasonably priced cars on sale today.
Bmw 230i, slightly more weight, but with tune it get 310 hp. No lsd, but you can buy it for $1500. Manual as well. More car for same money, also 4 people have no prob at all
@@don_huzan Not comparing the cars directly. I’m saying as far as great legendary drivers’ cars go. The 86 is up there with some very good cars like the 911 and S2k.
Savagegeese mentioned that the steering was a bit worse or specifically "like every other car". Do you notice any difference in feedback / feel between this and the gen 1?
I just got a 2022 BRZ and a 2022 Supra 3.0 . I love the BRZ but it lacks power . BRZ is a great car for the $31,000 I highly recommend. If you have the money get a Supra 3.0 you won’t regret it . The Supra is extremely fast and I get tons of compliments. I had a 2020 STI before the BRZ and it got tons of compliments as well . For some reason people didn’t compliment the BRZ as much though . Maybe because I got a silver one
I drive these cars off the ship from Japan, yes they are good cars and perfect(for a new car) to learn how to drive a manual transmission.....but you gotta drive a good condition fd3s either stock or a good single turbo swap. Nothing like it, but generally the suspension will usually be to rough for some(it's a road going race car...read the Mazda designer expose on the car) so it's a but stiff
Drove this car over the weekend for the 1st time.... It was amazing! Would be great for a 2nd car... But no way I could trade in my Broncos for this car... Soooo small inside. Fantastic car to drive though, now doubt
S2K still king, but 20/24 MPG. Here you get a hardtop for more stability AND better MPG and more tech. It’s just as fast, but no VTEC (obviously) and gearbox NOT as great. Good tradeoff tho. Now imagine if S2K returned for under $40k, 3000 lbs, 300/300 HP/torque, ooh mama!
To be fair, you can pick up some of the Twins for around 13k used now, a few mods a tune and maybe your into it 20k and you've got the same car. Youll still have tons of cash to spend on track days etc. the '22 also lost its 4 piston front brakes from the sports of 18+. I feel they should have done more with the 2nd Gens. It will lose out the the GR Corolla once they become "Available"
8:45 say it loud for the ppl in the back 😤 ppl have got to realize that this car is still practical and you dont need a heavy set car to have practicality
This was a wonderful review that really described how I feel about my car. I have a premium manual in trueno blue, and I honestly can say I am more in love with this car than anything else. Everyday is a joy to drive it. I find myself taking the long way home just to drive it more. The connection, the rawness, the light carefree nature, everything brings a smile to my face. Truly this car has saved me. I was so depressed driving my awful car everyday to work for 6 years while I saved and saved and when I saw the ad for this car I knew this was it. Now my life is amazing and this car really saved me. I will never get rid of it. One thing I’d recommend to new owners: Do the led swap kit from ftspeed. The interior lights, door lights, and reverse lights being LED make this car feel like a $60,000 car and just gives it that little bit of style. That being said, Toyota and Subaru did an amazing job. And what an excellent review. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing your experience and the awesome words. It’s amazing the kind of joy some cars can give us, and how it can truly lift us up. I hope they never stop making these.
Dude wrote this like he found Jesus christ
@Mohmega 😂😅😂😂
Have you heard about the oil issue that is making the engine seize?
@@MalikPhotography I have not
I've watched a dozen+ reviews on this car. I kept trying to figure out why I couldn't stop watching yours. Then it clicked at the end: Zero background music. Love it! You kept both the shots AND the audio track clean. Just pure information; zero fluff. Subscribed!
PS: Another differentiator? The overhead drone shots. So cool to see the car from all those new angles. Stellar work!
Hey man, thank you so much!!!
@@ShiftingLanes 💯
Why is this reviewer the only one praising the steering/handling of the car? All other reputable reviewers are saying the 1st gen car has better steering.
Couldn’t agree more. I just got mine, Premium Trim. It’s the first new car I’ve ever owned and I bought it despite not ever test driving it OR seeing it. I was blown away. I’ve had the privilege of driving a very wide variety of cars and nothing has put a smile on my face quite like this car. It’s nimble, quick, and stylish. You point the car where to go, and it goes there. And I definitely look back at it every time I park it. If you can get your hands on one, do it.
🚙That's awesome man. I'm also looking at a Premium Trim in Halo with Manual. I still have not test driven it but I'm so excited to be moving to this 86. I'm coming from an M235 AT. I just want something more reliable / MT / and morecost effective w maintenance. The GR86 (even though less in power) seems to be such a beautiful Coupe and sporty. Congrats on your 86! @Ty Young
I bought my premium manual halo gr86 and havent test driven or even sat in one before. Its coming in a couple weeks I cant wait.@@NathanielNicklas
Have to say, keeping your self in the passenger seat, a great angle works well and your commentary over the b-roll works well. So much better than when reviewer is driving and talking and then cutting between and the audio just not working that well due to background noise. Great work and look forward to watching more! Subscribed :)
I love your comment "If you don't look back at your car after you park it - you've bought the wrong car" - I so often look back at my Prius when I park it & walk away. You just confirmed for me that I bought the right car (for me)! 🥰
I have the 2023 subaru brz, it gets an average of 28 mpg, and it’s 2,700 lbs, I have no issues with acceleration or speed, it’s an absolutely phenomenal experience to drive. no one around has anything like it so it turns a lot of heads
When I first had my 01’ alpine white/imola red E46 M3 back in 2000 it checked all the things you talked about in this video. Now patiently waiting for my sapphire blue 23’ BRZ premium manual to be delivered to revisit that feeling of checking back after parking, taking the long way home, fine excuse to drive, etc.
Love my 2019 Toyota 86. Seriously considering an upgrade while the resale market on used cars is still as high as it is now.
Good luck finding one. I've been trying since last Winter. So I just got something else instead.
It's already dropping slowly
Considering there are no new cars anymore under 10K (I think? Right?) and due to profit margins, the expensive fuel economy technology in large crossovers make them as fuel efficient as inexpensive small hatchbacks. So yeah, ICE cars will only drop in price when governments start cracking down on them even more than now
Great insights! I got my 2013 BRZ brand new when it launched and never seriously considered getting rid of it. Then Toyota enters the room and releases the GR Supra, GR86 and GR Corolla. Car enthusiasts are spoiled with options right now. Lol
I haven’t driven the GR Corolla yet, but out of the three, the GR86 would be my choice. The GR Supra is great, but the price, steering, and handling of the GR86 makes it the best performance buy.
I heard they're bringing back the MR2 as well. Wonder what that will be like?
Indeed, the market was a little thin for a long time, now its coming back.
@@liahfox5840 Yes its coming back Toyota mentioned the 3 brothers are coming back rumors are the new MR2 will be mid-engined electric car will see.
I agree that the BRZ and the 86 are great for learning proper driving techniques. I would also recommend that buyers look into a low-mile C6 corvette with a 6MT. We bought a '12 C6 in pristine condition with only 11k miles for 27k and after adding Bilstein sport shocks with Michelin PS 4s tires the car has amazing handling and it is a blast to drive. Still debating trading in our '18 Civic SI for a new BRZ or 86 which would I feel would be a great daily driver. Also the 2.4L NA engine may very well be more reliable than these newer small displacement turbo engines. Great review!
I was cross shopping the 86 and Corvettes and ended up with a C5 Z06. Lovely car but has some gremlins I need to take care of as it's almost 20 years old...
C6...no warranty...old...substantial increase in consumables/maintence.....more power is the only reason I see really to make that move.
@@tone3560 You clearly don't know how reliable the C6 with the LS3 and TR6060 is then. Do some research, many guys are getting 250k+ without any major repairs.
@@chrish8487 Im aware of the longevity of the ls3 and it is tempting. Plus finding a low mileage use 08+ C6 under 30k is pretty hard to do plus financing a used sports car with double the apr of a new car is just more deterring. If you had cash to just outright pay for it that maybe the determining factor for most. Buying a used sports car is trying to buy a used condom. haha
@@tone3560 You make good points and I would honestly recommend a competent mechanic look over any used sports car as they are often abused.
Have owned this car (Premium Raven) for a few days, and so far it has lived up to (if not surpassed) expectation. The look is hard to appreciate if you havent seen it in person, yes its small (which I was a little worried about) but immediately when you see it those worries go away, the thing has a nice presence about it. Only two things so far I wish were different are the high catch point on the clutch, and the turn signal indicator not sticking, but its not something you cant adjust to.
Look up how to change the engagement point on the clutch. Mine was the same and I changed it. Took all of 10 mins and really improved how the car drives.
It does look good, but I’m not a fan of it trying to look like a Porsche without have 1/10 of Porsche capability…
What about the engine burning out from the oil valley clogged with rtv
Make sure to drive slow all the time
how bad was the dealer mark up?
1:20 you were SO unlucky. Had my 2013 for over 7 years with literally zero issues & barely even any wear and tear considering it’s age. Superb car!!
I’m so happy Subaru made it right for me. Previous owner may have abused it, or maybe just faulty parts and it was just the right time to go.
Really great review. Also appreciate the fact that you sat in the passenger seat to showcase the driver side of the interior.
I had a 2013 FRS and now I want this. Awesome cars, so Much fun.
Unless it’s going to be your daily. I heard the gen 1 has more space and storage compared to the gen 2
I've been considering a used 718 Cayman for a while, but this was the car that actually changed my mind after getting behind the wheel of both. Don't get me wrong - stock for stock, the 718 is the superior car, but I honestly felt that the GR86 was better value for the money... for the price of a used Cayman, I could buy two of these brand new and while I love the 718, I really loved what I experienced in the GR86 as well. Now I'm just playing the waiting game - my local dealer is expecting to get allocated a 2023 Special Edition and I've got a deposit on it with the option to go for a Premium if they don't get the allocation. If you had told me a few years ago that I could afford a Porsche, but would buy a Toyota over it, I'd have laughed at you - these little things are amazing.
718 is incredibly boring. I put it through the ringer on a test drive and wasnt impressed at all.
@@andrewrossnagel9433 You're right - I felt that it was better from an objective performance standpoint, but the level of engineering put into it has really removed some of the driving passion. It's a car that's all-business, so it doesn't feel anywhere near as playful as the GR86, it's the same reason I've said that I'd consider a GT350, but the new GT500 just isn't as fun. Some people want a car that's a monster in its niche, but if I'm buying a sports car I want it to be something that's fun and that's what the GR86 delivers over the 718.
@@Dreznin exactly. It did what you asked but it felt disconnected. Better lap times? Yes. Better time? Nope! Im gonna pick up a BR86 in a year or 2 when everything calms down and track it over my M3.
Similar experience for me. Sounds insane, but I actually had a deposit on a Cayman GT4. Drove the GR86, then immediately canceled my GT4 order. Of course the GT4 is a superior car, but I just couldn't justify spending 4x more money when the GR86 probably gives me 90% of the same fun factor.
@@Dreznin as someone w/ both a supercharged GT350 and a GR86, the GR86 (for me) is more fun :)
Hey a fellow NNJRer! I run at MetLife with MSNE and SCCA! I recently moved from my 13 FR-S to a GR86 and I have to agree with every single one of your points in this video. This is the perfect evolution to this chassis and I couldn’t be happier.
Hope to see you around at the autocross!
MetLife is the best autox place in the world. Great layout and the best people. I learned so much from that place. I’ve been on autox hiatus for a bit, but I would love to come back soon. Enjoy!!
Great video! I traded in my 2020 86 (which I truly loved) for a 22 Track bRed GR86 Premium and I absolutely LOVE IT! I am looking forward to hitting some of the winding runs in NC in October to see how it compares to the 2020 model. I think with the tighter tuned suspension, frame strengthening for less body roll that it is REALLY gonna be a LOT of fun!
I’d assume these will continue to have a great resale value too. Even if electric cars take over, someone is going to want to drive something like this
You're unique doing the video from the passenger seat. Thanks for the review as I'm considering a gr86 myself
This video is so well done. Great coverage of the pros and cons.
Great review. I am ordering one today for my wife. NEPTUNE BLUE with the manual transmission and premium package. I can't wait to "borrow" it.
Thanks.
There are some pretty significant suspension differences with how Toyota and Subaru tune and setup suspension on these cars. Can’t go wrong with either, but Toyota does ride a bit stiffer around town.
Sway bar placement is different as well in the rear i think (or the front)
Hanson, Good day, Sir. I hope you are well. Thank you for making this video. I understand that I have nothing to say that can be closely compared to this GR86. I would like to say that I owned a ‘77 Toyota Celica GT with the 20R (2.2 liter) engine and five speed manual tranny. I kept that gearshift knob out of that car because it has such a unique look and color to it. I owned a ‘90 Nissan 240SX KA24E engine (sohc) and five speed transmission. These two cars are the only examples I could even come close to comparing to the GR86. Those two cars I listed were an FR (Front engine-Rear drive) two door, 2+2 seating configuration that you have reviewed in this video. I loved the Celica’s rear quarter windows because you could crank roll them down. This was not the fastback. It had a proper trunk and the fuel
tank took up half the space in the trunk. The hood was hinged at the front of the car, not the rear like almost all cars. There were vents in the hood that were stock. It was an ugly brown color. That sculpted rear fender was the best part of that car. And right behind the left rear quarter window was the gas cap. If I had a chance to get another one just like it, I would get one. But, maybe a GR86 is a better option too.
It sounds like the gr86 carries on the spirit of those cars!
I have been reading reviews that some 2022 gr86 owners have been reported engine problems.
This reminds me of the Supra/Celica era of 90’s…two good looking siblings at different price points.
I've been asked if it's a Celica a few times
The Supra and Celica name used to share the same car. Now its the Z4's turn, not just the name but the ENTIRE car.
Got a 2023 gr86 premium last October. It took about 6 months of speaking to dealers in 4 states. Got one! Even 7 months later...I love this car.
Owning a 2014 BRZ and a 2022 BRZ, the main disappointing point I find in the new model is that you have less steering feel and road feel than in the old one ....
I feel as if both are not particularly good when compared to a hydraulic sterring
@@MrGman323 The steering feel on MY13 BRZ was far superior than the steering feel on MY01 S2000 which has hydraulic steering.
@@jasonscotta7129 no, I think S2K was one of the first electric racks.
@@diondrexler9352 MY01 S2000 indefinitely had hydraulic steering, and it was far inferior to MY13 BRZ.
@@jasonscotta7129 S2000’s all have EPS.
You do an amazing review. I’m sold! I’ve been trying to find a sports car with a manual transmission that won’t break the bank, This one looks like it will do it! Keep up the great reviews!
Best review of this fantastic old school sports-car with manual transmission ,I test drove it today and it looks so good "live" the only negative thing for me is the a bit cheap interior plastics.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm quite jealous that this car is so cheap in the u.s. here in the Netherlands this car costs 75k dollars
Best review I've been on this car! Very well done 👏
You have just perfectly put into words why I love my car so much. Thanks for the review!
I’m currently thinking about a Pavement Grey one. You’ve got me thinking about getting Red again. I had a Red Nissan 200SX SE-R. I’d love to get another “Red Racer”. When you said that its a great all a rounder I think you had me sold. Also when you said it was great in the snow with the right tires you had me thinking about the Initial D 3rd Stage Movie!!!!!
Every time I've looked at these the markups are crazy
Very good in depth review, even shots of highway driving and curves. Very convinced to pick one up in the next couple years. The available colors and 2.4 liter engine definitely sold me.
I’m sold.. going to my dealership next few days I hope they have the setup details you spoke about can’t wait to find the right roads to open this up
I’m on pins and needles waiting for my premium looks like it’s gonna be 4 or 5 month wait
You ever get it?
I own a 2013 frs and a 2023 GR86. My frs is pretty modified. As far as you can get without going Fi. The frs with a nice long tube EL header&full exhaust, ugraded coil packs, and injen induction box i had it dyno tuned. Makes 181whp 149wtq. Makes power different but above 4200rpm not much of a difference than my GR. My GR is stock except a really nice varex cat back. Pulls way harder from 2.5k-4krpm than the frs. The 2.4L makes such a massive difference in drivability for comuting. Love these cars.
Had a Celica back in the day, just got the 2023 and I feel like a teenager all over again. Not the fastest thing out there, but it’s definitely a blast to drive!
I just ordered my 2023 in all white or red. Stick of course, It’ll be here in 5 months. I’m stoked.
I'm keeping my 2013 gt86. It looks better than the GR version, but the engine upgrade is a reason to buy the new one.
header & tune could give you more performance on early models
Looks better? Why you capping
or you could swap the new motor in the old one. 🤔
The old one definitely looks one hundred times better!
@@SpeedDemonExpress no, it really doesn’t
I never really liked any car in my life but when I got in one of the GR86 on one Toyota dealership, I just fell in love.
Amazing presentation! New subscriber here. You did Amazing job! Keep it up💪
I wonder if the RTV sealant issue will be fixed for 2023. I'm about to cancel my 23 BRZ pre-order
Having wanting a 86 since the first gen but not being financially able to get one, owning a GR86 has been an absolute joy. I think it was a blessing that I was able to get one when the second gen dropped, as I was always reluctant to pull the trigger bc of the old gens lackluster motor. They improved every aspect of this car, from looks to performance. It really is perfect.
I love your approach and speaking style. I subbed. Now, one thing no car review person does it seems is to imagine what it's like to be on your commute, or a long road trip, and have an expensive coffee beverage in your cup holder, and to have to drive, get the beverage out of the cup holder, take a sip, and put it back without spilling it. It seems car designers are making cup holders more and more awkward to do this with. This car has the cupholders shifted backwards in favor of some gadget, which I guarantee I won't be using as much as my latte, if at all. Right now my only car is a current design Subaru Outback, and I'd love to have a "fun toy car" someday, but at least I can sip my latte while I drive (safety first) and not think about it.
Got my '23 BRZ back in November. Love it to bits. Fun and comfy to drive and I know for certain I have a unique vehicle as around here I have only seen ONE other 2nd Gen BRZ/GR86 and just two old and very dirty FRSs. It's definitely filled my need for a manual car so I'm now lookin' to sell my manual V6 S197 even though I love it dearly, but I still want a newer S550 GT as the one thing a BRZ cannot fulfill is that awesome feeling of a Coyote rumbling and roaring.
Those Coyote V8s revving out to 7.5k really do sound amazing, especially with long tube headers and full exhaust system.
This new 86 and brz has the old school 1995 Mitsubishi eclipse look to it! Love it!
"If you don't look back at your car after you parked it, you have the wrong car" - true, same thing goes for ... OK, I'd better stop, will get into trouble even if it's true :-)
Have a 2020 Brz Ts. Love it. Power dip and all. Not fast, but so dialed in. Only thing keeping me from the new model is a limited edition. Here is hoping before they make everything electronic... gah!
In the mealtime, you can't pry my 2020 from my fingers!
Cheers!
I own the same one too. You’re spot on with it being so dialed in. It’s unreal, and the best south of a Porsche (which arguably is indistinguishable aside from the higher quality feel the interior gives). Throw a forced induction kit on and you’re truly set. Already so choq full of supporting mods stock…
Considering these cars are going for $35k to $40k with markup the 230i M sport is actually better. More power, actual useable back seats, and still RWD.
Was thinking about getting one, the limited availability in europe, and some concerns about the power/torque lead me to buy a new mk4 Focus ST instead. Seeing the engine problems I'm pretty glad I didn't buy one, but I expect subaru to deal with the issues and fix it in the future. If the prices are somewhat reasonable, I'm thinking about picking one up next year as a summer-car.
You made the right choice. Subarus are famous for being shitboxes with oiling and head gasket issues, plus their transmissions are made of glass. You'd be so much better off buying American.
I have had the exact same car since taking delivery in 2022. It’s an awesome car - handling, looks and driving experience. Let alone the price point. I’m looking to increase horsepower by just enough to get more acceleration without having to swap out brakes and stuff. The only complaint I have is a a sticky second gear. Otherwise it’s a keeper.
For me the Shelby GT-350 had the best steering feel of any sports car I’ve owned. Second was a 2003 Z4 amazing feel!
92 Miata for me
Welp, I know what I'm getting after my 2014 tC dies. Snow was the only thing holding back a purchase.
Great review, looking to grab a GR soon, I can't wait!
I just placed a order for one give the dealership said it might take a little bit to get here however I couldn’t be more excited for it’s arrival. I’m going to make mine a dedicated canyon cruisers and I can’t wait
I want the fa24 motor in my 2013 frs. I don't want the rest of it though.
Wait for a few more people to crash them and buy an engine to swap :)
@@erwark oh yea well definitely get there (:
Got a big chuckle out of your comment, "If you don't look back at your car after you park it, you bought the wrong car." I didn't realize I was doing that until you made the comment. I have the BRZ Limited and couldn't be happier. I do live in the northern U.S., so I had to buy a set of all-season tires. Summer tires, here, are good for 4-6 months. I like to drive my car a little more than that! :-)
I keep seeing all the comparison to the Miata, and I think the GR-86 is a solid car no doubt. The Miata is a convertible and a toy, totally different segment.
22 mpg combined? That really seems unforgivably shitty for a small, light, naturally aspirated car.
These flat4 are bad at fuel efficiency, especially with the manual. I rarely get my gt86 under 10l/100km doing regular driving at average speeds. Almost the same as my C350... 1.7 tons 3.5 V6 272hp 2007. Ridiculous!
Yes it's garbage
You want more power? You lose mpg. Its a balance, you cant have both N/A at least…not a bad tradeoff
I always get 27 or better combined. For the last 200 miles I’ve been averaging 30 with most of it being highway at about 62 miles an hour.
From my understanding when a car is rear wheel drive it tends to get worse mpg too since the engine has to move the long drive shaft to the rear differential.
Vs a FWD car that basically has its engine connected directly to its transmission
Ordered one in April.. may have it by November. Videos like this make let me know the wait will be worth it.
Went from a base2018 brz new to a premium gr86, the steering feel was better slightly on the first gen, but man everything else is way more refined.
By the way, hold the trac off and track button together and you remove all the nannies except ABS and can do the funnies
I had the scion FRS, loved it! Now i'm debating if I should get this car or just get a family SUV lol. Im at the point in life where I still want a fun car but I need to think about family practicality.
I have an m240i on order, but I've honestly been considering cancelling it in favor of picking up a GR86 and learning stick shift. The package that Toyota / Subaru has put together with this car just seems like such incredible value, and while the m240i is an absolute rocket ship, the GR86 just seems like more of a joyful car to drive.
So..
I test drove those two back to back. Did not like the turbo lag and dead steering feel on the BMW so ordered a GR86!
I think I am in contact with five dealerships in the area trying to buy one at MSRP. To be honest I think it may be November or later till I can find a seller without a markup, but I keep hoping it will be sooner. In the meantime I can just keep growing that down payment.
I nearly bought a BRZ back in 2017, but couldn't quite do it. I wanted a little more from the engine. If this was the car they had then, I probably would have bought it.
Great Review , Any updated of the oil pan silicone excess
Thanks
Great Video
I 💯% agree that driving this kind of car with ice tires on snow is a sh*t ton of Fun.
I'm waiting on a GR Corolla (hoping for the Circuit) To replace my Fiesta ST.
Good luck with the GR Corolla! Hoping that’s going to be more fun than your FiST
@@ShiftingLanes Ya - the 70/30 rear wheel bias is the main reason I am going for it. 100 more HP doesn't hurt either-:)
Want this car, but not willing to pay a dealer markup, period! Great review! Thanks!✌️
From Wegmans??? WNY Represent brother! Great video!
Fun fact: in Europe the extra duckbill spoiler is optional. I bought the premium 6MT sapphire blue version without the duckbill spoiler.
Pretty sure this will be my next car, no snow here in Florida.
It pains me to hear that he said that it is less then 30k$ in the us. In the Netherlands we pay 60+k€ for this and euro is worth a lil bit more then usd.
"you will own nothing and you will be happy"
gotta remember our taxes in the states arent visibly upfront like a VAT in Europe. that 30K pricetag is several thousand over 30 but no where near the 60k you mention.
dang... I thought €43k euro (converted) in Taiwan is already outrageous.
At least it's available to purchase
Sup bro, glad I found your channel
Great breakdown 👏🏽
I am a race car engineer. In recent years (5 or 6 years) I've owned a 2017 BMW 340i, a 2017 BMW M240i, a 2015 Porsche Cayman S, and a 2014 Scion FRS. I still own the 2017 BMW M240i. Fastest 0-60 car I've owned. But, for steering feel, hands down, no comparison, the 2014 Scion FRS has the best steering feel (out of cars I've owned). It's like you are feeling the pavement with your hand. I sold the car because it wouldn't get out of it's own way power wise. Especially low end torque. I know the new generation is much better. But I would really like to drive one to seen how much better.
Love this review man. Thanks 👍
Thanks dude. Hope you’ll subscribe for more! 👊
Thanks for your review and information.
What about the RTV engine issue ?
Is there any difference for the new 2023 ?
The shifter at 3:54 had me dying idky
I agree with you. For the money, the GR86 is unmatched. I’ve started calling it the “Great 6”.
Civic Si? The 86 is significantly faster, handles better, and is a far more pure sports car. It’s not even close.
Miata? The 86 is faster, handles better, and is far far more useful. It’s a real car, not a toy.
EcoBoost ‘Stang? GLI? GTI? Veloster? Throw pretty much ANYTHING at this car and I’d rather take the 86 home.
I had to look at some pretty excellent cars to fight the GR86. I’m talking the likes of a 2008 Porsche 911 or AP2 S2000. THATS how good the 86 is.
I'm pretty much in agreement though I love the Miata. The combination of light weight + an open roof is hard to beat though I couldn't use it as an only car. The GTI, GLI, Elantra N et al. are different types of cars. I know people lump them together due to price point and love to sling 0-60 time arrows at the 86 but it's a pure driver's car. Some don't get it, it seems like you do. It and the Miata are among my favorite reasonably priced cars on sale today.
Just buy a z
I’m not sure how a 2008 Porsche 911 compares to a GR86, perhaps a cayman is a better matchup at most
Bmw 230i, slightly more weight, but with tune it get 310 hp. No lsd, but you can buy it for $1500. Manual as well. More car for same money, also 4 people have no prob at all
@@don_huzan Not comparing the cars directly. I’m saying as far as great legendary drivers’ cars go. The 86 is up there with some very good cars like the 911 and S2k.
I love your enthusiasm. 👍🏻
A very well presented and concise review and its a Toyota so you know it will work 👏👏👏🍻
I always said my FRS woudl've been perfect if it had 20-25 more HP. So glad they increased it from the factory.
Awesome review!
Savagegeese mentioned that the steering was a bit worse or specifically "like every other car". Do you notice any difference in feedback / feel between this and the gen 1?
Great review. Thank you.
When I’m outta college (2026) this car will be a gift for myself
Mine got rear-ended by a trunk and stayed in the repair shop for 4 months. I feel like dying every minute not driving it.
I just got a 2022 BRZ and a 2022 Supra 3.0 . I love the BRZ but it lacks power . BRZ is a great car for the $31,000 I highly recommend. If you have the money get a Supra 3.0 you won’t regret it . The Supra is extremely fast and I get tons of compliments. I had a 2020 STI before the BRZ and it got tons of compliments as well . For some reason people didn’t compliment the BRZ as much though . Maybe because I got a silver one
Great review!
I drive these cars off the ship from Japan, yes they are good cars and perfect(for a new car) to learn how to drive a manual transmission.....but you gotta drive a good condition fd3s either stock or a good single turbo swap. Nothing like it, but generally the suspension will usually be to rough for some(it's a road going race car...read the Mazda designer expose on the car) so it's a but stiff
Great video man I want one
Drove this car over the weekend for the 1st time.... It was amazing! Would be great for a 2nd car... But no way I could trade in my Broncos for this car... Soooo small inside. Fantastic car to drive though, now doubt
Awesome 😎👍 from Cape Town South Africa
S2K still king, but 20/24 MPG.
Here you get a hardtop for more stability AND better MPG and more tech. It’s just as fast, but no VTEC (obviously) and gearbox NOT as great. Good tradeoff tho.
Now imagine if S2K returned for under $40k, 3000 lbs, 300/300 HP/torque, ooh mama!
That red is beautiful.
My track monster is a 1LE but if I was a high school kid again, I can myself wanting to have one of these little cars too
To be fair, you can pick up some of the Twins for around 13k used now, a few mods a tune and maybe your into it 20k and you've got the same car. Youll still have tons of cash to spend on track days etc. the '22 also lost its 4 piston front brakes from the sports of 18+. I feel they should have done more with the 2nd Gens. It will lose out the the GR Corolla once they become "Available"
8:45 say it loud for the ppl in the back 😤 ppl have got to realize that this car is still practical and you dont need a heavy set car to have practicality
I have been stuck for months whether to get a BRZ or MX-5? I love them both. But I want at least a sunroom or a convertible from Subaru/Toyota.