@@brainless105 Think of it as like this, just so that he can stop dealing with it once and for all, he just addresses it upfront. Sometimes, being politically correct is not the best course of action. If I was in his shoes, I would've went to war with those delusional crybaby GenG fans (half of them were JDG fans in 2023 let's be real) so that they'd shut up. That's the correct response, but it will cost him a bit of a tarnish on his image. And it's arguably worth.
Not mad at him. But because people quoted him saying geng is boring and hate geng because of that. Things get messy when there are many people arguing for different things.
To be honest its extremely easy to understand. 1) Caedrel says smolder is boring -> 2) people hear Caedrel hates Chovy -> 3) people write on reddit: why does Caedrel hate Chovy and tells his 300K+ viewers to also hate Chovy 4) other people only read steps 2-3 and believe what they hear instead of what Caedrel actually said. This is how the internet works now.
At this point they just wanna make stuff up to make him look bad. I dont understand why. Out of ALL the League CCs he is one of the most if not the most wholesome, informative entertaining and degen (in the best way) streamer with one of the most entertaining chats as well.
Idk man wholesome (idk what to list here ngl lol), informative (we windowssss), entertaining (best nunu) and degen (I don't know what I'm doing, proceeds to 1v9) also sounds like Kesha
Agreed. I also like that Caedrel is very aware of his influence and puts in a lot of effort to use it well. He has definitely grown wiser over the years, but I understand how frustrating it can be to be so obtusely misconstrued.
Nah the chat is the exact problem. In the last months it completely deteriorated into a imbecile spamming contest on who can insult caedrel or make him look bad like some superiority complex. This whole "drama" is made up by a loud minority, just like the chat.
@@dexgames4366 Tbf, Caliste hasn't really played with any other even near-LEC level supports, so he doesn't really have anyone to compare Targamas to. To him, Targamas is the best support he's ever played with so naturally he'd like to play with him again.
Lowkey tired of hearing Caedrel defend himself on a daily basis. With such a big community you'll always have people start drama, because they take stuff out of context. That's just the Internet in 2024, especially in the League community.
Yeah, really sick of hearing him have to explain perfectly normal reactions to a bunch of overly reactive people. They already dislike him because he supports other teams, and were looking for reasons to justify their hatred for him anyway.
It's free content. He gets to rant all he wants and make the stans feel better about themselves whiteknighting the comment sections. I don't mean it as a diss by the way. But obviously what a content creator is after is reactions: comments likes and so on. But the vast majority of viewers is the silent guys agreeing with him. To probe reactions from them this type of content is peak. That's part of the success he's had.
i agree a bit... the rat cares about what other people think, but it's good that he stands his ground on matters that he deems reasonable. I just hope he won't feel like he has to do this every time someone raises a fuss.
i honesty understand why caedrel calls smolder boring and its sad how as a content creator he has to do damage control just for stating his opinion which his viewers took the wrong way. Big props to the way he handle it
People that took it the wrong way know why they take it the wrong way.. overtime you can easily understand his logic and sentiments but yeah its becoming unbearable these so called 'fans'.
The only argument against the "Smolder being boring" is that GenG is not playing for our entertainment, they are playing to win. Even Chovy said in an interview after he played Smolder that he thinks the champion is boring but he's just doing everything he can to win worlds, not play for fun. We can share our opinion about Smolder however much we want but I'd rather GenG always go for the winning play rather than try to be entertaining because people want a banger series. In 5 years nobody is going to remember the fun team, everyone will remember the winners.
Idk, if the win worlds and he does it by picking Smolder a bunch he will be known for winning with a stupid fucking champion and getting bodied when he doesnt play it. Chovy was one of the worst players in that FlyQuest series. If it wasnt for counter picking a Kassadin into a perfect match up (which is fine, but jt was impossible for him to die in that game) and picking Smolder game 5, he didnt do anything.
Yup. Those are exactly my thoughts too. Smolder and ksante are some of the most boring and overpowered champs in the game, but at the end of the day, fly could have picked them too if they thought they were that strong (or banned them out). Besides, people have been hating on chovy for years for not having a worlds title, and now that he's doing everything he can to win, they get mad? Lmao
@@FernandoGarcia-cg7tg I'm just answering back to what caedrel said in 1:50 about smoldering being boring. I think everyone can agree with him but GenG aren't thinking "Oh boy, lets give the viewers a giga banger series to watch and pick a fun champion in game 5 so people will remember this" Instead they are probably thinking "Oh fkkkkkk, we're 1-2 down against a god damn NA team, lets stop messing around and close out this series" and tbh people should be calling out flyquest for that god awful game 5 draft because GenG put up the Yone trap in swiss stage and picked Smolder into it which worked perfectly, this was like the easiest counterpick after blueside pick 1 yone came out from flyquest.
@@jason0031ain't no way blud says fans are worse than haters. One shows (sometimes overly) passionate support and the other sends HATE. Hate is always worse than support... just say you are a T1 hater and go, no need to blame it on the fans.
@@funnygummy0 He literally addresses the fact that T1 fans run a lot of nonsensical, irrational hate trains all the time... Quit pretending like only one side is the issue here
His subreddit was a hateful cesspool after the GenG vs FLY series. There was so much unnecessary hate towards Chovy and GenG on there. But that isnt really Caedrel's fault, but his audience's. There just needs to be more moderation on there.
yeah i think a lot of people put unnecessary blame on caedrel for the whole shitshow. however, the reddit was getting really bad and i think it was still right for him to acknowledge it and make the statements that he did. caedrel obviously cant control everyone (the chovy/geng hate was coming from so many directions) but he does have influence over at least his own audience. to me, it seems clear that he just personally doesn't want his fanbase to be known as toxic - which is fair, if i was a content creator id hate for my audience to be a hateful one. so i disagree with people saying that he shouldnt have made a statement or shouldve ignored the drama
just imagine if lck had last two teams battle at 2-2 for last quarterfinals spot and in quarters t1 lost to for example TL the koreans would go 100 times crazier than this
@babyfaec as a westerner I find the hate absolutely wild. that series was fucking insane to watch and it's the first in a while that I saw Gen g vulnerable. Fly lost but they gave a good effort and should be proud of their performance. I don't see why people resort to hating which downplays OUR OWN TEAMS PERFORMANCE
The faker part is true. I remember a couple years ago he talked about his favourite books and they sold out everywhere almost immediately in Korea, tht mans got power
I'm sad that some Twitter users are still mad with him. I mean GENG fans protecting Chovy is understandable, but to keep hate posting on Caedrel when he it wasn't his fault... 😢
Caedrel keeps receipts, and calls bullshit when he gets called out unfairly. If he ever is wrong, he apologizes instead of doubling down. What more can you ask for in a guy people watch to enhance their pro play experience? Glad he's our Rat King.
A GX fan, the problem with GiantX/Excel over the years was the fact that they heavily relied on Patrik as the ADC, and so they consistently try to build a team around him. I always thought what if Patrik is not involved in GX anymore and they just rebuild an entirely new team. I mean when they were Excel and with Ode, Minyx and Marsoon in the team, they were at their best since joining the LEC. Now, it's like lets sign anyone and see if they can play around Patrik. I don't think GX will ever get to playoffs, let alone to a split final again unless this new team is HUGE like have the OG G2 squad but with Jackies instead of Caps like
Don't get me wrong, Patrik is a very good player but the problem was that the GX management (coaches) was asking other good players to act as bodyguards and give all the gold to Patrik and hope for the best.
bro as a GenG supporter that always watches your streams you always support whoever GenG is against and that is ur right as a viewer. I cant and you cant change that, so you will instinctively cheer when they lose and thats fine i feel the same way with some teams too you dont need to explain ur self. Sports is all about passion
True, Caedrel isn't a hater but he doesn't like Gen (that's his right), Geng is the only top team I've never seen him support in a LCK Playoff games, the problem is that unfortunately when you don't like a team and that's obvious it has repercussion on your viewers, it's not his fault but Caedrel is biggest lol influencer and so he influences public opinion and ppl are obviously toxic so that what happend.
@@Fulork He just supports underdogs in general. Which is pretty normal when you're not a fan of the supposedly better team. Sadly people's opinions just blow out of control given even the slightest hint.
@@jozh5061 Exactly the same thing happened with KC this year because he didn't get a joke now KC is a banword n the stream and KC fans consider him as a Hater.
I actually feel sad because of all these easy-to-enrage netizens. No matter how careful a streamer is they will always find some kind of thing to accuse them of. That only limits streamers from saying certain things, I can see that the streamers all around the world, hold back on their realest opinions and just not speak out, because, understandably, its really not worth the trouble, and people will probably make big fuss about it. People need to understand diversity of opinion is a good thing, instead of trying to set on one objective truth that no one can argue against
imagine the scenes if Rogue sell their spot and the new team rocks up with the Wunder, Jankos, Perkz, Rekkles, Mikyx roster and GiantX somehow persuaded Bwipo and Inspired to come back to EU, threw Noah in the botlane and picked up an import Korean support. None of that is going to happen but the LEC would be so hyped if it did
@@theduker5926 now that's a good idea! For bonus points, do that but pick up Doinb instead and watch the "3rd best mid laner in this final" tweets make a comeback
@@xmorosea lot of teams were picking smolder and it is boring yes but smolder was 3-10 when chovy picked him, so boring but doesnt win really if you dont play well. And ,uhm... chovy did. Yone that is must pick ban every select is something i WOULD watch every game honestly.
@@MayankNautiyal-b3d you are insanely cringe. I am Korean. This is not a war, this is everyone saying smolder is shit. Everyone on fmkorea is, stop being dumb and a failure in life.
Don’t really know the narrative but I think everyone can acknowledge the upset potential blinded everyone from realizing GenG did what every analyst wanted them to do all these years. Year after year we watch GenG at worlds and talk shows talking about how “I just want GenG to play their macro game, to look like themselves in LCK” and they did that last game. if GenG won 3-0 with this draft no one would give a fk but because it was game 5 with a historical performance by an NA team everyone wanted a brawl and not a macro game
I agree with caedrel. Game 1-4 was a banger game with fly having creative picks, but we went to game 5 where there's silent the whole early to mid game. If not for that sneaky baron fly made there wont probably a fight.
You mean 1-3, FLY outperformed GEN, it's not the creative picks per se, they help because FLY played played them well, except for Fiddle and Sett, which did nothing, which is an example it wasn't only the picks. FLY were bad at macro, but winning in lane in their wins helped, when they couldn't they lost, because no macro.
Aside from the reddit drama, it's amazing how not only he can recall the teams and the years but to remember certain plays in specific moments of that match. Big 5head
We all watch you for your passion and knowledge of the game. Your knowledge during the draft and passion during the game and reacting to situations and fights are the best. You're not getting 100k-300k viewers for no reason
In the LPL, for years we have described LCK as Shakespeare since it’s very slow bleed and scaling a lot. One of the main reasons was GenG playstyle for years has been like this so kinda funny to see that people are salty about the smolder pick. Sure it’s not fun but that’s the reality.
25:24 dont wanna jinx it but look at drx in 2022. i cant remember who it was that said it but a player stated they lost nearly all games against t1 during scrims leading up to the finals. they were honestly already hopeless and thinking they were gonna lose, but they didnt. however, i think genf respects t1 more than t1 respected drx that year so we will see. banger series either way.
Why are people so angry on the interent, are people just not allowed to have fun and personal opinions. Also the cut from caedrel waiting for minions to instantly losing his nexus sent me flying
Many only watch worlds, for those who watched lck (last year and this spring) remember gen g used to be a lot more boring compared to other top tier lck teams, in their regular season, playing macro patiently and carefully. Even wolf mentioned that gen g plays slow and precise by the book playstyle and it's his preferred way to cast/watch while atlus said something like he wants chaos
Hotkeys exist. Ctrl+W is for closing, however it reacts to the mouse position and it closes not the active one. Probably something else, maybe an extension.
I mean asol has the same feeling of dread. It doesn't matter how terrible the pilot is eventually its just insurmountable. The design just socks. Making them lose passive stacks or passive stack gain from deaths makes easily makes it more balanced
@@itsallinthepast2944Yeah but the strange thing is all the items have the losing stacks on death but the champs don't so its not like riot doesn't know how to balance the stacking mechanic they just refuse to.
I LOVE playing Smolder in solo q... I love getting stacks, Scaling and then feeling unstoppable... but I sighed when it was hovered~ doesn't feel fair when someone actually good at the game pilots it, and it doesn't make the game feel close since players at that level don't make the game ending throws I have on every 5 minutes 😅
IG was first ever LPL team to win so not favourites, and EDG was first seeds but going into worlds everyone said FPX were the real strongest lpl team. Damwon was favourite to win again that year
Worlds 2024 Smolder Stats: Presence: 29% Winrate: 30.8% They just wanted to win and its a fact that GEN is just the best Team when it comes to playing around Chovy on Smolder. Chovy played 5 Different Champions out of 5 Games this Series (including a absolute crazy Kassadin game) - hate the Game not the Player -
You need to consider the date and time the matches take place, for example in 2022 i wasnt able to watch cuz the timing was so shit. This year it’s a lot easier
Its always interesting to watch people come to terms with the reality of cancel culture, forced political correctness, and mob mentality. Hopefully Career can stay true to himself and not give in to internet guilting.
As a casual getting my news from the Cathedral through pigeon letters in the hunting season, what's happening with Adam? I don't hear anything of him and he was one of the best (in my opinion) top laners in the LEC these 2 years.
I wish he elaborated more as to why he thinks the Vitality roster looks good. Even his chat was confused when he put them alongside G2, MAD and KC as strong looking teams. Besides Carzzy, this looks like another budget team like Heretics and unless these rookies are INSANE, I just don't see it. On paper, I would say they're somewhere between a 7-10th place team.
inspired i dont think will ever return to eu basically from what it seems, and i feel like i recall bwipo saying he wanted to stay in NA ? but i think he is far more likely than inspired to return. nemesis would be giga hype tho, but i cant imagine him returning to fnatic of all orgs and he would never join a bottom tier team (rightfully so).
Theres so many talented euw players left on side like nemesis lider and many others that I cant even think of rn, most of these EU rosters dont even feel like actual EU representive EU rosters with so many great players missing like man.. Put your cringe egos aside and actually start to pick up actual good players maybe we dont look like wildcard region then
People really aren't talking about this enough. This might be the biggest influx of rookies coming in to the LEC many years. He mentioned that most of these teams are going really budget this year, but no one as far as I know is talking about the possible ramifications of it. Besides G2, MAD, KC and maybe GX, the rest all seem to be very heavy with rookies from the ERL's. The rookies themselves aren't the sole problem though, it's the way these teams are building them that is not giving me any hope. IMO, most of the teams easily downgraded on paper and I can't wait for post winter split drama to hit. There will be the usual crying that you have players like Wunder, Tyrmbi, Adam, Jankos, Upset, Nemesis, Rekless, Perkz, Nysqi, etc. that are teamless or in another region.
seeing as they cant maintain zofgk next year. i would love for keria to join ruler either at jdg or for them to go join bdd, maybe kanavi as well. what a team that would be
Thing about narratives about GenG being boring is, it’s been told many times by casters and analysts over the years that they are very slow or macro oriented and it can be boring… that makes almost anyone to just categorise them as boring even if they are playing fast paced games… Meanwhile, most of LCK has been that style for long time, but since they aren’t as polished it makes their gameplay less structured and have higher variance… newer audience like that more in general… and T1 has a style that likes to create and exploit variances, and also has huge fan base.. If T1 for example ever played like GenG, and came to worlds, I personally believe they wouldn’t be labelled as boring coz for most casual worlds fans, it’s the best team, so their style is the best… and tbh neither will other teams… it’s just GenG have been constantly labelled like boring, slow, macro, or other similar things that it’s the narrative… Give GenG Kalista, and u can see how fast paced they can play…
IF there is anyone to be blamed, then it should be Riot 100% for designing abomination like K'sante or Smolder, not the players. It's so dumb that this has to be said, people really are brainless.
FNC should honestly keep their roster. I can't wait to EU caster. I try to explain how jojo is with a 1/7/3 scoreline. Better have a handler lead him to meetings on time. That time change is going to screw him up.
Content creater need to learn how to dont give a fuck on the comments they see in the internet. Nothing wrong with what you said Caedrel. Nothing wrong with your opinion. And no need to say sorry or apologize. I love your stream - funny and for someone like me who is starting to love the game, your insights and your knowledge about the game are awesome! Dont mind the haters! Let their hate eat them :)
Some people are so insecure, who cares if some people say your team is boring. They're winning so just focus on your own team and leave the rat alone, geez.
Honestly, if I play in a big tournament my first priority is to win. If I have to win it by picking a "boring" champion, then that's what I'll do. If people want to complain, let them complain. I'm just gonna take home the prize money and smoke cigar
2018 RNG not only won LPL (IG were second) but they also won MSI and Asian games. RNG and Uzi were supposed to win it all but there came the EU LCS 3rd seed - G2 (with Perkz) and won vs RNG so hard Uzi has never been able to recover after that. In that game 5 Perkz beat his butt so hard with LB that the NA caster said, "It's Perkz vs the World and I'm liking his odds". I remember it so well. Everyone lost their words after that series. The biggest upset in LOL history. Ever!.. 2018 NA casters said Perkz was the better midlaner than Caps eventhough FNC went to finals (watch the studio commentaries after the FNC vs EDG! Vedi had to deffend Caps after how NA casters compared him to Perkz... And the kids flamed Perkz and ruined his carreer this and last year.
I can't believe Caedral has to break this down for everyone. It's just so insane how little critical thinking skills people have.
not all of us are like that, remember what his community is called xdd
It's kinda on Caedral that he even addresses it
@@brainless105 Now you victim blamming.
Critical thinking is dead. Just watch the comments of obviously fake AI voiced YT shorts with millions of views.
@@brainless105 Think of it as like this, just so that he can stop dealing with it once and for all, he just addresses it upfront. Sometimes, being politically correct is not the best course of action.
If I was in his shoes, I would've went to war with those delusional crybaby GenG fans (half of them were JDG fans in 2023 let's be real) so that they'd shut up. That's the correct response, but it will cost him a bit of a tarnish on his image. And it's arguably worth.
i still dont understand why they got so mad at him for saying smolder is boring, he just farms the whole game and then just nukes you with q
Not mad at him. But because people quoted him saying geng is boring and hate geng because of that. Things get messy when there are many people arguing for different things.
Yeah just like Susan, however smolder q have more punch to it and Nas is boring to watch
Ranged nasus?
To be honest its extremely easy to understand. 1) Caedrel says smolder is boring -> 2) people hear Caedrel hates Chovy -> 3) people write on reddit: why does Caedrel hate Chovy and tells his 300K+ viewers to also hate Chovy 4) other people only read steps 2-3 and believe what they hear instead of what Caedrel actually said. This is how the internet works now.
He compared it to playing Yuumi?
At this point they just wanna make stuff up to make him look bad. I dont understand why. Out of ALL the League CCs he is one of the most if not the most wholesome, informative entertaining and degen (in the best way) streamer with one of the most entertaining chats as well.
Idk man wholesome (idk what to list here ngl lol), informative (we windowssss), entertaining (best nunu) and degen (I don't know what I'm doing, proceeds to 1v9) also sounds like Kesha
Agreed. I also like that Caedrel is very aware of his influence and puts in a lot of effort to use it well. He has definitely grown wiser over the years, but I understand how frustrating it can be to be so obtusely misconstrued.
Nah the chat is the exact problem. In the last months it completely deteriorated into a imbecile spamming contest on who can insult caedrel or make him look bad like some superiority complex. This whole "drama" is made up by a loud minority, just like the chat.
XDD ! Rat ! One of us !! XDD One of us !!
Big ups caedrel for not instantly folding to pressure and aroaching things with a clear mind
bro said kcorp is stacked then i hear targa is playing aintnoway man
If targa is benched in winter Kc could be dangerous
Miky or jun over targa would make KC Dangerous
Targa played with caliste and yike
Will be fine
and Caliste specifically asked for him
There's a reason
@@dexgames4366 Tbf, Caliste hasn't really played with any other even near-LEC level supports, so he doesn't really have anyone to compare Targamas to. To him, Targamas is the best support he's ever played with so naturally he'd like to play with him again.
Man he has it hard , but he handles things really smart
he makes millions watching a video game
@@spencerfly1007 Jelaous?
@@spencerfly1007 he had to get there somehow you lil twat, he has talent
@@spencerfly1007 someone's maaaaddd
@@spencerfly1007thank you for your contribution😂 +1
Lowkey tired of hearing Caedrel defend himself on a daily basis. With such a big community you'll always have people start drama, because they take stuff out of context. That's just the Internet in 2024, especially in the League community.
Yeah, really sick of hearing him have to explain perfectly normal reactions to a bunch of overly reactive people. They already dislike him because he supports other teams, and were looking for reasons to justify their hatred for him anyway.
Overly reactive is a very nice way to say degenerates
It's free content. He gets to rant all he wants and make the stans feel better about themselves whiteknighting the comment sections.
I don't mean it as a diss by the way. But obviously what a content creator is after is reactions: comments likes and so on. But the vast majority of viewers is the silent guys agreeing with him. To probe reactions from them this type of content is peak. That's part of the success he's had.
@@funnygummy0I think it’s because he is insecure with himself 😅 but I agree just show the haters the cold shoulder
i agree a bit... the rat cares about what other people think, but it's good that he stands his ground on matters that he deems reasonable. I just hope he won't feel like he has to do this every time someone raises a fuss.
i honesty understand why caedrel calls smolder boring and its sad how as a content creator he has to do damage control just for stating his opinion which his viewers took the wrong way. Big props to the way he handle it
People that took it the wrong way know why they take it the wrong way.. overtime you can easily understand his logic and sentiments but yeah its becoming unbearable these so called 'fans'.
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He needs to stop apologizing, this is a rotten community that will never be pleased.
french crowd also saw it that way, watch the vods. the booed when gen g picked smolder
You clearly didn't watch the vid he talked about this for 3 minutes and showed the crowd booing.
@@marsh9946 i commented around 2 mins in xdd, i watched the vod before
@@marsh9946trust me the GenG stans also dont lmfao they're still trying to blame Caedrel in the replies
Fk the haters, you go RATking
What there's a blue comment in RUclips
@@yanlenqtdude my exact reaction first time seeing it and right now when I tried go back and check it, its gone
15:10 the Music is just foreshadowing :D
14:35 one is not like the others.
Just who..🤔
Honestly man... just fuck the haters and the fuckers... IGNORE THEM!
The rats know their king.
I’m not a fucking rat 😂 it’s one of the most degrading things you can call another person😂 I like watching ceadrel
XDD True!! One of us !! XDD ! RAT !
E: Bola Strike always gets me from Rengar's kit, too funny
Yo chilllll, its crazy how he has to explain these little things. Say what you want buddy we with you
Based Pedro, just keep yapping your shit and fk the haters.
The only argument against the "Smolder being boring" is that GenG is not playing for our entertainment, they are playing to win. Even Chovy said in an interview after he played Smolder that he thinks the champion is boring but he's just doing everything he can to win worlds, not play for fun. We can share our opinion about Smolder however much we want but I'd rather GenG always go for the winning play rather than try to be entertaining because people want a banger series. In 5 years nobody is going to remember the fun team, everyone will remember the winners.
Idk, if the win worlds and he does it by picking Smolder a bunch he will be known for winning with a stupid fucking champion and getting bodied when he doesnt play it.
Chovy was one of the worst players in that FlyQuest series. If it wasnt for counter picking a Kassadin into a perfect match up (which is fine, but jt was impossible for him to die in that game) and picking Smolder game 5, he didnt do anything.
no one is blaming gen g or chevy
Yup. Those are exactly my thoughts too. Smolder and ksante are some of the most boring and overpowered champs in the game, but at the end of the day, fly could have picked them too if they thought they were that strong (or banned them out). Besides, people have been hating on chovy for years for not having a worlds title, and now that he's doing everything he can to win, they get mad? Lmao
Of course they’ll play to win, but people can find their games boring. That’s why people don’t watch them unless they’re losing.
@@FernandoGarcia-cg7tg I'm just answering back to what caedrel said in 1:50 about smoldering being boring. I think everyone can agree with him but GenG aren't thinking "Oh boy, lets give the viewers a giga banger series to watch and pick a fun champion in game 5 so people will remember this"
Instead they are probably thinking "Oh fkkkkkk, we're 1-2 down against a god damn NA team, lets stop messing around and close out this series" and tbh people should be calling out flyquest for that god awful game 5 draft because GenG put up the Yone trap in swiss stage and picked Smolder into it which worked perfectly, this was like the easiest counterpick after blueside pick 1 yone came out from flyquest.
T1 haters are something else. They actually turned an anti smolder comment into an anti geng then proceed to blame it to t1.
T1 fanboys are even worst and they are the reason T1 haters exist
@@jason0031 so that justify blaming normal t1 fans for everything (This stupid "drama") from mentally ill haters?
@@jason0031ain't no way blud says fans are worse than haters. One shows (sometimes overly) passionate support and the other sends HATE. Hate is always worse than support... just say you are a T1 hater and go, no need to blame it on the fans.
@@funnygummy0 He literally addresses the fact that T1 fans run a lot of nonsensical, irrational hate trains all the time... Quit pretending like only one side is the issue here
t1 fans are cringer and worse no one even mentioned T1 lol
"is that my fault that the crowd boo's" what a legendary hit back.
WE LOVE U RAT KING
His subreddit was a hateful cesspool after the GenG vs FLY series. There was so much unnecessary hate towards Chovy and GenG on there. But that isnt really Caedrel's fault, but his audience's. There just needs to be more moderation on there.
yeah i think a lot of people put unnecessary blame on caedrel for the whole shitshow. however, the reddit was getting really bad and i think it was still right for him to acknowledge it and make the statements that he did. caedrel obviously cant control everyone (the chovy/geng hate was coming from so many directions) but he does have influence over at least his own audience. to me, it seems clear that he just personally doesn't want his fanbase to be known as toxic - which is fair, if i was a content creator id hate for my audience to be a hateful one. so i disagree with people saying that he shouldnt have made a statement or shouldve ignored the drama
lots of westerners hating on geng for kicking out their last team I guess
just imagine if lck had last two teams battle at 2-2 for last quarterfinals spot and in quarters t1 lost to for example TL the koreans would go 100 times crazier than this
I mean, he kind of brings that brain rot audience in though.
@babyfaec as a westerner I find the hate absolutely wild. that series was fucking insane to watch and it's the first in a while that I saw Gen g vulnerable. Fly lost but they gave a good effort and should be proud of their performance. I don't see why people resort to hating which downplays OUR OWN TEAMS PERFORMANCE
The faker part is true. I remember a couple years ago he talked about his favourite books and they sold out everywhere almost immediately in Korea, tht mans got power
really? that's why when ruddy asked him what's his favorite book, he just answer “i don't have book recommendation, just read what you want to read”
Tho tbh thats just celebrity culture, much more so in Korea, all the top artists there can do things with just words
I'm sad that some Twitter users are still mad with him. I mean GENG fans protecting Chovy is understandable, but to keep hate posting on Caedrel when he it wasn't his fault... 😢
21:04 The jump from the laning phase to the base loss got me hard😂
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Nice Statement, big love!
Watching your Co-Streams is just mega fun.
Caedrel keeps receipts, and calls bullshit when he gets called out unfairly. If he ever is wrong, he apologizes instead of doubling down. What more can you ask for in a guy people watch to enhance their pro play experience? Glad he's our Rat King.
A GX fan, the problem with GiantX/Excel over the years was the fact that they heavily relied on Patrik as the ADC, and so they consistently try to build a team around him. I always thought what if Patrik is not involved in GX anymore and they just rebuild an entirely new team. I mean when they were Excel and with Ode, Minyx and Marsoon in the team, they were at their best since joining the LEC. Now, it's like lets sign anyone and see if they can play around Patrik. I don't think GX will ever get to playoffs, let alone to a split final again unless this new team is HUGE like have the OG G2 squad but with Jackies instead of Caps like
Don't get me wrong, Patrik is a very good player but the problem was that the GX management (coaches) was asking other good players to act as bodyguards and give all the gold to Patrik and hope for the best.
I almost started watching G2 because of Yike and now they released him? Mind blowing.
You're awesome, keep doing you. There's a reason why you're the most viewed analyst and commentator!
bro as a GenG supporter that always watches your streams you always support whoever GenG is against and that is ur right as a viewer. I cant and you cant change that, so you will instinctively cheer when they lose and thats fine i feel the same way with some teams too you dont need to explain ur self. Sports is all about passion
True, Caedrel isn't a hater but he doesn't like Gen (that's his right), Geng is the only top team I've never seen him support in a LCK Playoff games, the problem is that unfortunately when you don't like a team and that's obvious it has repercussion on your viewers, it's not his fault but Caedrel is biggest lol influencer and so he influences public opinion and ppl are obviously toxic so that what happend.
@@Fulork He just supports underdogs in general. Which is pretty normal when you're not a fan of the supposedly better team. Sadly people's opinions just blow out of control given even the slightest hint.
@@jozh5061
Exactly the same thing happened with KC this year because he didn't get a joke now KC is a banword n the stream and KC fans consider him as a Hater.
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I do not think you should feel like you need to apologize but respect for doing so! Most people just need to get a brain!!!
what is wunder doing? the part got skipped xd
I actually feel sad because of all these easy-to-enrage netizens.
No matter how careful a streamer is they will always find some kind of thing to accuse them of.
That only limits streamers from saying certain things,
I can see that the streamers all around the world, hold back on their realest opinions and just not speak out, because, understandably, its really not worth the trouble, and people will probably make big fuss about it.
People need to understand diversity of opinion is a good thing, instead of trying to set on one objective truth that no one can argue against
0:15 Steak stock to the moon boys
imagine the scenes if Rogue sell their spot and the new team rocks up with the Wunder, Jankos, Perkz, Rekkles, Mikyx roster and GiantX somehow persuaded Bwipo and Inspired to come back to EU, threw Noah in the botlane and picked up an import Korean support. None of that is going to happen but the LEC would be so hyped if it did
Wunder Jankos Jackies Upset Mikyx
Hear me out, wunder, jankos, dump Larssen and pick up showmaker, perkz ADC, mikyx.
Mid team
@@theduker5926 now that's a good idea! For bonus points, do that but pick up Doinb instead and watch the "3rd best mid laner in this final" tweets make a comeback
@@mattwhelan13 but the perkz showmaker bromance
Ppl are sleeping on BDS for the third year in a row lmao, they have an insane coach diff on everyone other than G2
Their only objective is to win and if picking smolder and hyper scaling comps will win them worlds then why wont they
Yeah of course they will it's just lame as shit.
@@xmorosea lot of teams were picking smolder and it is boring yes but smolder was 3-10 when chovy picked him, so boring but doesnt win really if you dont play well. And ,uhm... chovy did.
Yone that is must pick ban every select is something i WOULD watch every game honestly.
@@dzabalebator830 holy shit shut up idiot the champ is boring
@@xmorosewhy fly quest not pick smolder then?? Do you think chovy will lose if he pick yone instead of smolder ..crying slaty na fans
@@MayankNautiyal-b3d you are insanely cringe. I am Korean. This is not a war, this is everyone saying smolder is shit. Everyone on fmkorea is, stop being dumb and a failure in life.
Don’t really know the narrative but I think everyone can acknowledge the upset potential blinded everyone from realizing GenG did what every analyst wanted them to do all these years.
Year after year we watch GenG at worlds and talk shows talking about how “I just want GenG to play their macro game, to look like themselves in LCK” and they did that last game. if GenG won 3-0 with this draft no one would give a fk but because it was game 5 with a historical performance by an NA team everyone wanted a brawl and not a macro game
18:56 what lol analytics uses here?
I agree with caedrel. Game 1-4 was a banger game with fly having creative picks, but we went to game 5 where there's silent the whole early to mid game. If not for that sneaky baron fly made there wont probably a fight.
You mean 1-3, FLY outperformed GEN, it's not the creative picks per se, they help because FLY played played them well, except for Fiddle and Sett, which did nothing, which is an example it wasn't only the picks. FLY were bad at macro, but winning in lane in their wins helped, when they couldn't they lost, because no macro.
Aside from the reddit drama, it's amazing how not only he can recall the teams and the years but to remember certain plays in specific moments of that match. Big 5head
We all watch you for your passion and knowledge of the game. Your knowledge during the draft and passion during the game and reacting to situations and fights are the best. You're not getting 100k-300k viewers for no reason
9:59 No way!!!😂😂😂his smile really creeps me😶🌫️😶🌫️😶🌫️
I cant believe Caedrel lurks FM Korea and runs translate xD xD
The only league streamer I watch because of his good vibes lmao this is hilarious how they try to do em
In the LPL, for years we have described LCK as Shakespeare since it’s very slow bleed and scaling a lot. One of the main reasons was GenG playstyle for years has been like this so kinda funny to see that people are salty about the smolder pick. Sure it’s not fun but that’s the reality.
Bro just say china lpl isnt a real thing lol
@@IssacQuiroz-g2zwhat the fk are you talking about?
@@IssacQuiroz-g2z what?
I bet it’s hilarious to see that t1 is better at early game and team fights than Chinese teams. Lck owns you
@@IssacQuiroz-g2z what?? are you dumb?
25:24
dont wanna jinx it but look at drx in 2022. i cant remember who it was that said it but a player stated they lost nearly all games against t1 during scrims leading up to the finals. they were honestly already hopeless and thinking they were gonna lose, but they didnt. however, i think genf respects t1 more than t1 respected drx that year so we will see. banger series either way.
@Caedrel, do you think this is it for Jankos (retiring and such)?
Why are people so angry on the interent, are people just not allowed to have fun and personal opinions. Also the cut from caedrel waiting for minions to instantly losing his nexus sent me flying
I feel so bad for him, he can't even voice his opinions anymore without people trying to police him 😢
Ey yo, what's up with the random music playing in the background?
Many only watch worlds, for those who watched lck (last year and this spring) remember gen g used to be a lot more boring compared to other top tier lck teams, in their regular season, playing macro patiently and carefully. Even wolf mentioned that gen g plays slow and precise by the book playstyle and it's his preferred way to cast/watch while atlus said something like he wants chaos
how did he close tabs so fast at 19:08 without clicking on the x button for the tabs??
Hotkeys exist. Ctrl+W is for closing, however it reacts to the mouse position and it closes not the active one. Probably something else, maybe an extension.
smolder is like u duel in a limitless fight and they only attack ur private part
I love you caedrel be yourself
kiss kiss
i do think smolder is the worst design in league, it just feels so frustrating to watch or fight
Dw the new champ will top that soon 😊
@@thannguyenthanhdong1315 riot proving to their player there will always more broken champion 😂
I mean asol has the same feeling of dread. It doesn't matter how terrible the pilot is eventually its just insurmountable. The design just socks. Making them lose passive stacks or passive stack gain from deaths makes easily makes it more balanced
@@bradhurst6834 dmg stacking scale + dealing dmg from save distance is just recipe for disaster
@@itsallinthepast2944Yeah but the strange thing is all the items have the losing stacks on death but the champs don't so its not like riot doesn't know how to balance the stacking mechanic they just refuse to.
Reddit community of caedrel is so obnoxious and childish , and when it's WORLDS season it's even worst.
thats just league community in general. his reddits is actually nicer than the rest
Isnt that just reddit ?
@@4IGamer no its not. his reddit is filled with whiny bitches. at least the main reddit has a lower concentration of said bitches
@@4IGamer Yeah his subreddit is great from what I have seen. I am assuming its randos and people from other subreddits like r/livestreamfails
worlds viewers are the worst its really cringe what kind of individuals are between us
26:31 chovy hairstyle change?
I LOVE playing Smolder in solo q... I love getting stacks, Scaling and then feeling unstoppable... but I sighed when it was hovered~ doesn't feel fair when someone actually good at the game pilots it, and it doesn't make the game feel close since players at that level don't make the game ending throws I have on every 5 minutes 😅
25:25 sally just ulted, that series is gonna be a 3-0 snoozer
IG was first ever LPL team to win so not favourites, and EDG was first seeds but going into worlds everyone said FPX were the real strongest lpl team. Damwon was favourite to win again that year
jun could end up in T1 academy, they are going to keep keria but in case he leaves they have crazy good support in the academy they promote after all
Worlds 2024 Smolder Stats:
Presence: 29% Winrate: 30.8%
They just wanted to win and its a fact that GEN is just the best Team when it comes to playing around Chovy on Smolder.
Chovy played 5 Different Champions out of 5 Games this Series (including a absolute crazy Kassadin game)
- hate the Game not the Player -
didnt chovy himself say that smolder is boring...
el todopoderoso toad arabillo en los post de siguiendo
You need to consider the date and time the matches take place, for example in 2022 i wasnt able to watch cuz the timing was so shit. This year it’s a lot easier
imagine Nemesis and Upset going back to fnatic and mikyx comming along, would be cool
Fnatic started to break down after Caps left, it started to go down after Nemesis left, it went on ghost mode after Rekkles left..
Its always interesting to watch people come to terms with the reality of cancel culture, forced political correctness, and mob mentality. Hopefully Career can stay true to himself and not give in to internet guilting.
anyone know why bro is playing on kr server from london? i missed that lore somehow...
As a casual getting my news from the Cathedral through pigeon letters in the hunting season, what's happening with Adam? I don't hear anything of him and he was one of the best (in my opinion) top laners in the LEC these 2 years.
I was also looking forward for a banger game 5, then smolder got looked in ans I was like "yep. Its over. Time to sleep" 😂😂
Smolder is boring, but imho GENG isnt, I like how clean they play. Its not for everybody, but I enjoy their map movements and all.
Caedrel "I AM DONE" Lamont
KC actually goes fucking hard this year
I wish he elaborated more as to why he thinks the Vitality roster looks good. Even his chat was confused when he put them alongside G2, MAD and KC as strong looking teams. Besides Carzzy, this looks like another budget team like Heretics and unless these rookies are INSANE, I just don't see it. On paper, I would say they're somewhere between a 7-10th place team.
inspired i dont think will ever return to eu basically from what it seems, and i feel like i recall bwipo saying he wanted to stay in NA ? but i think he is far more likely than inspired to return.
nemesis would be giga hype tho, but i cant imagine him returning to fnatic of all orgs and he would never join a bottom tier team (rightfully so).
Theres so many talented euw players left on side like nemesis lider and many others that I cant even think of rn, most of these EU rosters dont even feel like actual EU representive EU rosters with so many great players missing like man.. Put your cringe egos aside and actually start to pick up actual good players maybe we dont look like wildcard region then
People really aren't talking about this enough. This might be the biggest influx of rookies coming in to the LEC many years. He mentioned that most of these teams are going really budget this year, but no one as far as I know is talking about the possible ramifications of it. Besides G2, MAD, KC and maybe GX, the rest all seem to be very heavy with rookies from the ERL's. The rookies themselves aren't the sole problem though, it's the way these teams are building them that is not giving me any hope. IMO, most of the teams easily downgraded on paper and I can't wait for post winter split drama to hit. There will be the usual crying that you have players like Wunder, Tyrmbi, Adam, Jankos, Upset, Nemesis, Rekless, Perkz, Nysqi, etc. that are teamless or in another region.
seeing as they cant maintain zofgk next year. i would love for keria to join ruler either at jdg or for them to go join bdd, maybe kanavi as well. what a team that would be
Someone once said "smoke the haters, the whole pack"
Thing about narratives about GenG being boring is, it’s been told many times by casters and analysts over the years that they are very slow or macro oriented and it can be boring… that makes almost anyone to just categorise them as boring even if they are playing fast paced games…
Meanwhile, most of LCK has been that style for long time, but since they aren’t as polished it makes their gameplay less structured and have higher variance… newer audience like that more in general… and T1 has a style that likes to create and exploit variances, and also has huge fan base..
If T1 for example ever played like GenG, and came to worlds, I personally believe they wouldn’t be labelled as boring coz for most casual worlds fans, it’s the best team, so their style is the best… and tbh neither will other teams… it’s just GenG have been constantly labelled like boring, slow, macro, or other similar things that it’s the narrative… Give GenG Kalista, and u can see how fast paced they can play…
I want to know the site he has to check on the teams
IF there is anyone to be blamed, then it should be Riot 100% for designing abomination like K'sante or Smolder, not the players. It's so dumb that this has to be said, people really are brainless.
Stay strong rat king 👍💞
No way yike is better than clozer? he was so insane in summer.
does anyone know why he plays on Korean client?
That's right, you say what you think man, trolls can go f off
i am pretty sure that iG was not expected to win worlds, i think imthe favourites were RNG and KT
FNC should honestly keep their roster. I can't wait to EU caster. I try to explain how jojo is with a 1/7/3 scoreline. Better have a handler lead him to meetings on time. That time change is going to screw him up.
Content creater need to learn how to dont give a fuck on the comments they see in the internet. Nothing wrong with what you said Caedrel. Nothing wrong with your opinion. And no need to say sorry or apologize. I love your stream - funny and for someone like me who is starting to love the game, your insights and your knowledge about the game are awesome! Dont mind the haters! Let their hate eat them :)
Some people are so insecure, who cares if some people say your team is boring. They're winning so just focus on your own team and leave the rat alone, geez.
Who's going to be the shotcaller in KC?
Does anyone have any idea about DK roster next season?
Where is BDS Adam going?
Sadly, no team picking him yet..maybe because of his attitude
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@@kubotite9168 Thanks for responding! I don't follow LEC too closely, what's wrong with his attitude?
its not GenG's job to entertain audience, they are there to win and every body teams are there to win.
Given his viewers, a large part of the crowd might be watching the stream when they boo-ed the Smolder.
It's the equivalent of Chovy using Mahoraga.
Honestly, if I play in a big tournament my first priority is to win. If I have to win it by picking a "boring" champion, then that's what I'll do. If people want to complain, let them complain. I'm just gonna take home the prize money and smoke cigar
2018 RNG not only won LPL (IG were second) but they also won MSI and Asian games. RNG and Uzi were supposed to win it all but there came the EU LCS 3rd seed - G2 (with Perkz) and won vs RNG so hard Uzi has never been able to recover after that. In that game 5 Perkz beat his butt so hard with LB that the NA caster said, "It's Perkz vs the World and I'm liking his odds". I remember it so well. Everyone lost their words after that series. The biggest upset in LOL history. Ever!.. 2018 NA casters said Perkz was the better midlaner than Caps eventhough FNC went to finals (watch the studio commentaries after the FNC vs EDG! Vedi had to deffend Caps after how NA casters compared him to Perkz... And the kids flamed Perkz and ruined his carreer this and last year.
23:45 No i don't want perkz in the LEC personnaly.