I still can't thank you enough about that previous vid. That 15 dollar CC you recommended in the start of this video has been put between my camcorder and OBS for my workbench streams and works flawlessly. You saved me so much money in 5 minutes, thank you so much.
This comment goes out to Lon & Epos Vox. Believe it or not, the videos you made about this product helped my family during a tough time. We had a family member pass away recently and we needed a way to broadcast the funeral service on zoom (on a budget) because the service had to have a limited amount of people due to COVID restrictions. This Capture card was on amazon prime for a reasonable price and I already had a camera that worked with HDMI out & a tripod. I ordered a microphone that hooked up to my laptop and I was good to go. You wouldn't believe how thankful my family members were when they were able to watch the funeral service live and be with us digitally through this tough time. Please know that youtubers like you may not have millions of subscribers but you make a big difference. Thanks to the both of you!
I bought the "Can't Link" based on your previous video because I could not find any of the nicer ones in stock or without radical price gouging. It's been working great for me. Thanks!
I have both this cheap one and a camlink4K, honestly as a secondary cam, it's the best bang for your buck. You can still swing it as your main cam feed but just dont expect magical wonders right out of the box. A little bit of color correction and sharpening via OBS def helps on the cheaper one.
Higher resolutions than 720p exist?? (Feigns surprise). In all seriousness, I'd *love* to watch it in 4K, but on my tablet (and even my desktop PC) I'm sadly limited to 720p b/c of the displays. My laptop has a 1080p display, but unfortunately doesn't handle high performance tasks like watching videos well. By the time I have 4K, 12K will most likely be the *norm*
I watched your last video about the cheap capture card right before buying the elgato camlink. And I honestly feel the exact same as you said... you get what you pay for.
I have that one with the cap and CD driver. Bought it couple years ago from someone on ebay for dirt cheap. But it is just garbage and e-waste :D I bought the other one 2.0 Cant-Link after I watched your video and it seems just fine for my purposes :) So thank you!
I ordered the one from your previous video for 8.99 on Amazon. It comes this Saturday I can't wait, tired of recording game play with my cell then croping video in software👍
Mines was just delivered and it's amazing. I ran my xbox 360 through to my cell using this usb capture. I downloaded a USB app from play store to run the capture card and I have otg cable. The results are amazing. I'm recording game play with sound and no latency on my cell😂😂😂😂 truly amazing, I spent 8.99 from Amazon but the one I got came in a black box named HDMI video capture with sound, its incredible
THANK YOU for showing the devices from all angles when you're talking about them. Sometimes the only way to figure out what exact model of chinese electronic crud you're looking at is to look at the minute product differences.
I think the summary is spot on, I actually picked up a cheap one and was maybe one of the lucky ones that got a good latency one, use case for me though was intrigued over an actual urge to stream anything, it would be a good idea if you just need a cam for your zoom calls but as you state none of these cheap ones make a good picture of the actual screen. Good stuff and keep up the content.
“I would maybe not do the Cantlink because the latency is so terrible”, I think you meant to say another card since the Cantlink is one of the quicker cards
i bought one of the "cantlink" and it works fine with the gopro 7 black it can input even 4K 30fps wich looks better than the 1080 even though the output is only 1080 i could even read the audio from the gopro from the same capture card source on obs but there is some latency when you connect a different mic source which i fix it with the audio delay (it was about 3-4 frames around 100milliseconds )
@@JerridFoiles Yeah I think he misspoke, pretty sure he meant to say the "EZ Crap" was the one with really high latency, by contrast to the "Can'tLink" from the last video. 5:45 "This one [EZ Crap] has 126 milliseconds of input latency. Compared to the like, 45[ms] that I measured in this one [Can'tLink]."
Note for anyone else having the capture card output mono 96khz audio, IT'S 48KHZ STEREO! There's a program called mono-to-stereo on github that fixes this exact issue and I can confirm that the capture card is outputting 48khz stereo audio, BUT it's interleaved and the channels are swapped at 96khz.
I got the first one you reviewed this year. It works pretty well for my camera as a backup. It takes a 4k signal and converts it to 1080p and doesn't look too horrible. But it looks really bad for computer to computer capture, if I can get a signal passed through at all. Not a good option for mac to capture pc setup.
The cant link?? So it does accept 4k input? I was worried about that. I wanna use a splinter so i can capture in 1080p and game in 4k, should it work then?
I bought the 'Can't Link' version that has a HDMI passthrough and I'm reasonably pleased with it. It does 1080/30 and 720/60 fine. The one thing that is odd about it is how sensitive the ports are, once its all set up in OBS, If i dare move the device its likely to disconnected as if i yoinked the USB clean out.
I love this reviews! Also i am sooo looking forward for the review of the last one you showed, as it is the one I have been thinking to get from amazon!
Another great video Epos Vox. I actually have that "diamond in the rough" capture card that you showed at the end coming in the mail today. Your video made me have some hope for it lol
@@JoshKaufmanstuff I got it today and just finished wiring it into my system. So far I am extremely happy with it. Hdmi in from ps4 hdmi out to display and usb3. 0 to pc. There seems to have almost no input delay at all. Can play in obs window if you really wanted. 4k60 in and loop out. 1080p out of usb. Instead of wiring the audio out to my pc I was able to just go into windows sound settings and enable listen to device to be able to get the audio to play through windows pc and use the same headphones I usually use while streaming. Still hear stream alerts and all. It was only $63! See link below www.amazon.com/dp/B0897JTDK1?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
I reviewed that capture card that he brings up at 11:57! Variants of it are sold by many different people on Amazon and aliexpress, but the one I reviewed is the LEADNOVO one. I thought it was pretty good for only $60, and if you buy it, they actually send you a $20 gift card if you review their product and show them a screenshot of it on Amazon so it becomes essentially $40. Overall, I thought it was good for the price, but I'm super pumped to see your review of it!
I have the first one of this video. Bought it for about 10 euros. I still need to test it with my camera because I'm waiting for the mini HDMI cable. I'm not really concerned with the lag as I will just use it for livestreaming DJ sets for fun. Delaying the audio should fix that, no? Can you delay other video sources in OBS too or not?
I saw RetroTINK's website link to your Cantlink video as a cheap option for 480p60, and that's exactly how I've been using it, albeit with a USB extension cable in case it overheats and fries something. I do use an S-video splitter rather than playing through the OBS preview or something, but the latency is low enough that when I goofily sing along to the game's music, it totally syncs up on stream.
just a question, I have the same one as yours that you first show and was so pleased with. Which software do you recommend to use for that. because I didn't get any CD or software with it.
I just got a black box version of the silver you have. I'd like you to watch my review on it when I get it up. So far I tested it with capturing Mobile Phone games which seemed pretty good. I also realized for this smaller capture links you either need external audio as you stated, but I was also able to get audio but it was in mono. The box version was in stereo.
Honestly for me (not for anyone else) The $15 capture card is great value. I hear and see everyone complain about you cant display out to a screen at the same time, then just buy a cheap HDMI splitter. Remember RUclips and twitch have compression. And a very minor color difference is not going to "kill" the over quality of this. Elgato is great but forget about paying $120 - $200 for the same thing but in true 1080p60. 720p60 is still good. I already know how someone is going to tell how I'm wrong. I'm not. I said "Honestly for me(not for anyone else)". Anyways great video as always. GN or GM wherever you are.
I own two of the USB 2.0 devices, the "3.0 but is actually 2.0" device, and both an elgato HD60S+ and Cam Link 4k. I have only used them for Cam Capture. One of the USB 2.0 devices came from MavisLink on Amazon that came with an extension cable, was double the price, but is superior to the cheaper one I bought on eBay. I used the extension cable with the eBay device and it's USB connection was not dependable. I never had a single issue with the MavisLink version. That proves the QC is not consistent. The eBay version also had a slightly more washed out picture. The USB "3.0" version has been rock steady. I've used it on stream with a Canon HF20 camcorder and the Sony A5100 I use now. It handled both like a champ. I do stream at 720p, as a number of people do, and two people whose opinion I trust said it compared favorably to the HD60S+, but, again, that's at 720p and not 1080p. I do personally feel like my picture quality is crisper with the Elgato products, but at $25, especially at a 720p stream, I'd suggest the USB "3.0" device as a solid option until you can get a Cam Link 4k or HD60S. I am happy to answer any questions people might have, but EposVox's videos offer incredible info and I'd obviously defer to him.
KCWM do you have the tint as he said in the video? If yes, did you manage to solve it in OBS directly? What settings do you use? (Talking about the 3.0 dongle)
@@mauronedj I don't recall there being a tint. I no longer use it. I just found the videos I that I still have up and that I used the dongle on and it's a bit washed out. If you find my channel on twitch (under kcwm...sorry for the self-promo...it's relevant), the oldest seven videos (from the two videos labeled "So many trees. Island Maintenance" to "Catching critters and fighting fish"), I was using the "USB 3.0" dongle for those videos. The video titled "Mystery Island tour with Ellie" is the first video where I used an Elgato HD60S+. I use a Sony a5100 for all of those videos. Should give you some real time examples. I didn't do anything special in Streamlabs OBS other than set up the Chroma settings.
The cheap plastic capture card is capturing S-Video. Internally it has a HDMI to S-video/composite converter chip that is directly wired into a S-Video/composite capture chip. I bought one and it never worked correctly, I couldn't even get VHS quality out of it, so I pulled it apart and looked up the chips. It's funny because it would have worked in theory, though it would have been VHS quality, but the one I got was broken.
There seems to be a new version of the Can'tLink released very recently that looks the exact same but supports 1080p60 through USB 2.0 (says 3.0 but the connector is just colored blue just like the EZ Crap) and comes in a coffee color. It's priced about the same. I just got my Can'tLink today and that works fine, but now I regret not waiting and "pontentially" getting the same capture card with 60fps support for almost the same price.
With my Sony A5100 I'm using the Cantlink one I got for £28 and returning my Elgato Camlink that I paid £120 for here in the UK. I'm happy to stream in 30fps b just concerned that MJPEG is not as good as YUY2 as you mentioned some issues in artifacting and a green hue to the picture. I'm a bit colour blind and don't have a great eye for picture quality so can't do a comparison between the two before I return it and wonder if I will be putting out an inferior picture with the Cantlink or if it will not even be noticeable.
I own all cheap capture cards as shown in the video (except the silver one) (and the black one at 11:57) and all of them worked without drivers for me, also the one at 7:24. Also every one of them had yuv for me. Though I work on linux not on windows.
The cheap one (I got 4, sold as different brands) is a bargain, but its effectiveness depends on which app you're using it with. It's great with OBS or Zoom, for example, but laggy or no good with Discord or Microsoft Teams -- I'm guessing because of its limits in type of video it can produce. So it's not a true substitute for Elgato Camlink, which works with all of these, but....well worth the price nowadays. (If it's all you've got, you can use a virtual webcam to use the OBS video in other programs.) By the way, one of the 4 that I bought was no good, but the seller promptly replaced it with one that works fine, so....possible quality control issues.
Interesting, I kinda wanna do a deep dive technical look at the other ones. I'm interested in how the hell they do signal chains and what EDID/EEPROM code they have in them.
what I'm hearing is if you want to stream console games but don't have a means to do so, the USB 2.0 one from the previous video is great as an entry device. I only am looking because i own a Switch and sometimes my buddy likes to watch me stream games but when playing the Switch, I can't stream it and quality doesn't have to be spot on. I'm not expecting to blow up and become the next Ninja, I just want to play games and stream them for friends.
I am one of those who have it plugged in 24/7 with GoPro + Can'tLINK for zoom meetings and never missed a beat with sub 100ms lag, I made a video about it and my comment section were SWAMPED with tech support questions lol. Now I know why.
I purchased the Silver one recommended in this video (7:55 sold under the LinkFor brand now) and was disappointed to find I could not at all achieve good picture quality. The one I received is not USB 3.0 capable (confirmed using USBTree viewer on two different devices), and could not deliver decent quality images whatsoever. I used it to capture Switch footage, but the resulting image is just completely janky and full of image artifacts. Don't know what could have changed, but it is definitely not a recommended product now.
I'm not sure why yours had 126ms of input lag, I have the same Fake USB 3.0 model myself and mine is probably closer to 70ms's. I have to add about 33-35ms's of delay to my live gamer 4k to get frames to sync up together. (Methodology: I used an hdmi splitter and sent video to both Live Gamer 4k, and Fake 3.0. OBS delay set to the live gamer of 33ms's, recorded and playback in slowmo)
I actually have that USB Capture Device.. But you see that program you where using to test it, the one at 5mins ish.. What is that called? Looks like it could be handy. Thanks in advance
From my experience none of these are 60fps. So far I have purchased 3 different brands, and all seem to be 30fps sampled twice. frames 1-2 are the same, frames 3-4 are the same, frames 5-6 are the same and so on.
That's a bummer about the 3.0 version of that 2.0 adapter. I was hoping to get a few more frames with that "better" version. That being said, I had to add 233ms of delay on my audio using a GoPro Hero 3+ as the camera. It still works great, so not a big deal.
I bought a $20 HDMI audio break out box and low and behold the L/R were swapped inside. So I had to use 3.5mm to RCA cables and flip it. Ugh. These $20 white box parts need to go away.
I ended up buying a version of the can'tlink labelled "video capture with loop". It has an extra hdmi output for connecting a monitor, so you don't have to play off of the preview. It seems to be the same quality as the can'tlink, so it might be more worthwhile for some people. (It looks similar to the can'tlink, so probably the same internals as well)
I bought one of the cheap options from the link in your other video about this. Well......at least didn't work with my Canon 70D (i want it just for facecam). It keeps capturing only 480p. I don't know if it is beacause of some 70 limit (HDCP for example) or it is just beacause the capture card is another Easy Crap LoL Now i'm waiting for my AverMedia LGP Lite GL310 hoping it works haha Thanks for the video!
I think it's important to note that with a lot of the cheaper cards you can't run multiple of them in the same PC. After the last video I bought 4 of the same cheap capture cards for some "split-screen" streams with 4 different consoles, but OBS will only pick up the video from one card at a time. After the video quality being fine on the one console I decided to buy 3 other cheaper capture cards and try my luck, all with the same issue despite being different brands and designs. All worked perfectly when the only device plugged into my PC or using the "deactivate" on all capture cards in OBS and then "activate" on the specific console you want. I'm guessing this is due to the plug and play ability and them not having specific drivers. But yeah, no good if you wanted multiple cheap capture cards running on the same PC at the same time.
@@EposVox Interesting. I wonder if it's something I've somehow overlooked in settings of OBS or something. I tried all combinations of capture cards on 2 different PCs and had the same issue so assumed it was a universal thing. Ended up using a weird combination of different NDI sources from different machines until I bought some Elgato HD60 S' that were able to work with multiple on the same PC.
@@walteewartooth6860 Actually I think it's because you're reaching the USB 2.0 bandwidth limit on your system's usb controller chip. That's also a problem with USB 2.0, since every computer has the same 40 megabytes per second per each usb controller for usb 2.0, which means you can probably only use two at a time UNLESS you are using different USB controllers(ie pcie usb 3.0 expansion card) but aside from that, you can also try USB 3.0 splitters, since they take everything and mush it into a usb 3.0 stream(which has worked better for me before)
@@8bit_coder Hmm... I need to look into that some more. I have 2 PCI-E USB expansions cards in one of my PCs already, just can't think which USB ports I was plugging the capture cards into. Thanks for the info.
Epos maybe you could say something about building second pc for streaming. How good it should be (how many cores), ram etc. Maybe its just all about capture card while pc spec is preety much irrelevant?. Do capture card require some sort of fan or cooling to be reliable?. Is it better (in terms of latency) to put capture card into primary pcie graphics slot going directly to cpu?.
What camera are you using as the main Camera, on this Video, the Focus is kind of fast, I thought you are using Lumix gh5s but that focus was good, am not sure if you change camera?
i bought this capture thing about a month ago. and to me it works as you would expect a £10 capture card to be. the only thing with your review that isnt the same to mine. im not getting the 133ms delay as you said. yes the delay is there but it defo isnt 133ms. id say on mine its about 50 to 40 ms of delay.
My "Can't Link" (The fake USB 3 one) basically crapped itself recently. It works, but only occasionally and not for much time (like maybe 30 minutes if I'm lucky), and the audio capture is non-existent for me (even with an audio source set in OBS). So it went in the bin. It was good while it lasted, but you get what you pay for... although I'll probably get another one, just not the "Can't Link 3.0" and maybe the original one from your first video (If I can find one).
My cantlink randomly started displaying that the USB device is not recognized... it also started heating up really badly. Ive stopped using it out of fear it'll melt my USB port
If someone is having bad resolution on the can't link using a camera, I had this issue with my T3i. The problem is that it doesn't EDID handshake (procedure equipment use to tell each other which resolutions they support) and defaults to the camera liveview resolution (720x480 on my Canon T3i). I solved this issue using a cheap HDMI splitter between them (camera connected to the splitter, which outputs to the capture card). Now it works at FullHD :)
I have just found your channel while searching info on capture cards. OMG what a mindfield. Help. I want to use my surface 3 as a monitor for my video camera Nikon Z6. because i where glasses, the bigger the picture the better. also don't want to spend a fortune. can you recommend a good video capture card for this purpose. your help would be much appreciated
I have a Lumix G7 and just want to live view while recording so that I know I'm in focus. Unfortunately, with the G7 you can only accomplish live view with an external recording monitor. I seen you use the CamLink4k in another video and thought I solved my problem. Until I realized the price skyrocketed! Are there any other video capture cards that can output in 4k with quality similar or better to the CamLink? or can I buy a card that down samples to 1080 then upscale it to 4k in Davinci?
I realize that "streamers" are all about streaming their screen. I am not a streamer, so I was pretty disappointed that Panasonic's "update" was just the ability to display the camera-over-wifi preview "clean" without overlays so that you could then stream from screen capture. (Unless I've missed an update.). As for the $8/$15/$20 "cantlink" I got one and it's... fine. It gets 1080 HDMI into the computer so I can use and/or capture what's coming off my GH5 or other camera.
Hey comments section! Have any of you tried the "Can'tLink" alongside a webcam to get two video feeds simultaneously in OBS? I can't seem to get mine to work that way. I was hoping to use my webcam (logitech c525) to do face cam, and use the Can'tLink to grab content. It appears that OBS is recognising both of them as webcams, so I can't display both at the same time, and if I switch back and forth between them, the Can'tLink sometimes just falls off and doesn't display. My work around has been checking the "deactivate this source when not in use" option for the video capture/webcam capture in OBS, but that means I get an annoying 1-ish second blank transition time when switching between scenes. Anybody else experienced this and have any tips?
So the latency from these capture devices does that only effect the stream or does it transmit to the monitor so you get latency while gaming and streaming?
Thank you so much for this, I have to use a webcam for work and Uni conferences and I don't wanna buy a webcam when I have a perfectly good A7S that I can use
You said the Can'tlink was the 2nd best latency in the last video, and here at around 11:35 you said the Can'tlink latency was horrible. Did you mean the Easycrap?
Ok I got this for $23 on eBay lol I’m using it to stream Nintendo switch on OBS.. my source settings in OBS for the crap link is 720/60, then I kept my OBS stream/video output setting as 1080/60... and the result was excellent! So is it worth $23? Heck yes! I just wish it natively outputted @ 1080/60, as it leads you to believe on the product page. lol owell... Camlink still costs over $200+
Which of all the "cheap" capture cards would you recommend at the moment Adam? im just interested in having a cheap alternative as a recommendation for some friends.
I've been using the Cantlink to capture my Sony a5100 for a couple of months now and it's been pretty decent I have to say. I had to adjust audio latency on my broadcasting app (which could be because I have it connected to a USB 3.0 port, not sure if that matters) but the image quality works quite well. I stream 720p at 30 fps as an fyi. I'm quite certain I've been lucky as it hasn't crapped out on me yet but even if it did, I would attempt to buy at least one more because it's so damn cheap. You do get what you pay for, that's no lie. But a Camlink at over $100 is also completely overbudget even for someone who already happens to own a camera that outputs clean HDMI. A dongle like the Cantlink made by a quality company that can output 1080/30 and 720/60 and not be a chunky bastard I think would be reasonable at $40-50. Edit: The card you teased, I've seen it floating around ebay quite a bit. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts before I pull the trigger.
I'm feeding mirrored HDMI outputs from 2 computers into a laptop which is streaming to twitch as a VR split-screen. Is it safe to assume I could hook both of these into a laptop feed them the HDMI output and use Twitch Studio or OBS Studio to take the 2 sources? It seems like it would work, but I don't know if using 2 on one machine would cause any conflict.
The answer is YES this works! Hell, I even hooked up a 3rd one and now I have my little Luminex camera streaming as well :) What a crazy little device :D
the latency in the supercheap usb capture card is determined by usb speed, just try different ports.. mine became soo low using a 3.0 port even not working as a proper 3.0 card
I am looking at all of your videos. Doing some research for someone to upgrade from their C929. Are any of the 1080 60 worth getting without going to Cam Link?
Would the Sony a77 be a good streaming camera? I can actually get it and a lens for about the same price of an a5100 (just body). Would there be any downsides compared to the a5100?
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I still can't thank you enough about that previous vid. That 15 dollar CC you recommended in the start of this video has been put between my camcorder and OBS for my workbench streams and works flawlessly.
You saved me so much money in 5 minutes, thank you so much.
which one (I dont see details of any )
This comment goes out to Lon & Epos Vox. Believe it or not, the videos you made about this product helped my family during a tough time. We had a family member pass away recently and we needed a way to broadcast the funeral service on zoom (on a budget) because the service had to have a limited amount of people due to COVID restrictions. This Capture card was on amazon prime for a reasonable price and I already had a camera that worked with HDMI out & a tripod. I ordered a microphone that hooked up to my laptop and I was good to go. You wouldn't believe how thankful my family members were when they were able to watch the funeral service live and be with us digitally through this tough time. Please know that youtubers like you may not have millions of subscribers but you make a big difference. Thanks to the both of you!
I bought the "Can't Link" based on your previous video because I could not find any of the nicer ones in stock or without radical price gouging. It's been working great for me. Thanks!
I have both this cheap one and a camlink4K, honestly as a secondary cam, it's the best bang for your buck. You can still swing it as your main cam feed but just dont expect magical wonders right out of the box. A little bit of color correction and sharpening via OBS def helps on the cheaper one.
This video in 1440p60 is so extra crispy. I watched your intro like 5 times because I felt like one playthrough was not enough
Even better in 2160p60
@@vrealon7738 on a 1080p screen you'd need to watch it four times to get all the pixels
Higher resolutions than 720p exist?? (Feigns surprise). In all seriousness, I'd *love* to watch it in 4K, but on my tablet (and even my desktop PC) I'm sadly limited to 720p b/c of the displays. My laptop has a 1080p display, but unfortunately doesn't handle high performance tasks like watching videos well. By the time I have 4K, 12K will most likely be the *norm*
I watched your last video about the cheap capture card right before buying the elgato camlink. And I honestly feel the exact same as you said... you get what you pay for.
I have that one with the cap and CD driver. Bought it couple years ago from someone on ebay for dirt cheap. But it is just garbage and e-waste :D I bought the other one 2.0 Cant-Link after I watched your video and it seems just fine for my purposes :) So thank you!
I ordered the one from your previous video for 8.99 on Amazon. It comes this Saturday I can't wait, tired of recording game play with my cell then croping video in software👍
that's quite a collection of videos playing on the tiny tv screens! I spot John Oliver and Caleb Pike...!
:D
Mines was just delivered and it's amazing. I ran my xbox 360 through to my cell using this usb capture. I downloaded a USB app from play store to run the capture card and I have otg cable. The results are amazing. I'm recording game play with sound and no latency on my cell😂😂😂😂 truly amazing, I spent 8.99 from Amazon but the one I got came in a black box named HDMI video capture with sound, its incredible
I bought the one mentioned at 1:40 for $13 from AliExpress. I was so impressed I bought a second one. Dirt cheap and basic does all I need.
THANK YOU for showing the devices from all angles when you're talking about them. Sometimes the only way to figure out what exact model of chinese electronic crud you're looking at is to look at the minute product differences.
Bloody Hell,.... the lighting in your room/video is incredible.
Really nice effort!
Please, sir, I NEED to know where you got that t-shirt!
Looking forward for the last device, the “diamond in the rough” one because I gotta buy one of these
He posted it here: ruclips.net/video/LZnM6cip2lk/видео.html
I think the summary is spot on, I actually picked up a cheap one and was maybe one of the lucky ones that got a good latency one, use case for me though was intrigued over an actual urge to stream anything, it would be a good idea if you just need a cam for your zoom calls but as you state none of these cheap ones make a good picture of the actual screen. Good stuff and keep up the content.
“I would maybe not do the Cantlink because the latency is so terrible”, I think you meant to say another card since the Cantlink is one of the quicker cards
If I use the digital audio and attach some mic like boya or rode lapel directly to DSLR and then use it, in this case, no such issues of latency
This video confused the crap outta me and I think it's because he did so much mis-speaking...
i bought one of the "cantlink" and it works fine with the gopro 7 black
it can input even 4K 30fps wich looks better than the 1080 even though the output is only 1080
i could even read the audio from the gopro from the same capture card source on obs
but there is some latency when you connect a different mic source which i fix it with the audio delay (it was about 3-4 frames around 100milliseconds )
@@JerridFoiles Yeah I think he misspoke, pretty sure he meant to say the "EZ Crap" was the one with really high latency, by contrast to the "Can'tLink" from the last video.
5:45 "This one [EZ Crap] has 126 milliseconds of input latency. Compared to the like, 45[ms] that I measured in this one [Can'tLink]."
Note for anyone else having the capture card output mono 96khz audio, IT'S 48KHZ STEREO! There's a program called mono-to-stereo on github that fixes this exact issue and I can confirm that the capture card is outputting 48khz stereo audio, BUT it's interleaved and the channels are swapped at 96khz.
I got the first one you reviewed this year. It works pretty well for my camera as a backup. It takes a 4k signal and converts it to 1080p and doesn't look too horrible. But it looks really bad for computer to computer capture, if I can get a signal passed through at all. Not a good option for mac to capture pc setup.
The cant link?? So it does accept 4k input? I was worried about that. I wanna use a splinter so i can capture in 1080p and game in 4k, should it work then?
@@dracoxb The first one is the 3.0 cant link which can accept 4k input. The 2.0 cant link doesn't accept 4k.
I bought the 'Can't Link' version that has a HDMI passthrough and I'm reasonably pleased with it. It does 1080/30 and 720/60 fine. The one thing that is odd about it is how sensitive the ports are, once its all set up in OBS, If i dare move the device its likely to disconnected as if i yoinked the USB clean out.
I love this reviews! Also i am sooo looking forward for the review of the last one you showed, as it is the one I have been thinking to get from amazon!
He posted it here: ruclips.net/video/LZnM6cip2lk/видео.html
Another great video Epos Vox. I actually have that "diamond in the rough" capture card that you showed at the end coming in the mail today. Your video made me have some hope for it lol
What card is it, did you get it yet?
@@JoshKaufmanstuff I got it today and just finished wiring it into my system. So far I am extremely happy with it. Hdmi in from ps4 hdmi out to display and usb3. 0 to pc. There seems to have almost no input delay at all. Can play in obs window if you really wanted. 4k60 in and loop out. 1080p out of usb. Instead of wiring the audio out to my pc I was able to just go into windows sound settings and enable listen to device to be able to get the audio to play through windows pc and use the same headphones I usually use while streaming. Still hear stream alerts and all. It was only $63! See link below
www.amazon.com/dp/B0897JTDK1?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
I reviewed that capture card that he brings up at 11:57! Variants of it are sold by many different people on Amazon and aliexpress, but the one I reviewed is the LEADNOVO one. I thought it was pretty good for only $60, and if you buy it, they actually send you a $20 gift card if you review their product and show them a screenshot of it on Amazon so it becomes essentially $40. Overall, I thought it was good for the price, but I'm super pumped to see your review of it!
Finally another educational vid for those who need it
That's what I do!
When are we getting the sequel?
I was looking at that exact model at the end to gift to a friend.
I have the first one of this video. Bought it for about 10 euros. I still need to test it with my camera because I'm waiting for the mini HDMI cable. I'm not really concerned with the lag as I will just use it for livestreaming DJ sets for fun.
Delaying the audio should fix that, no?
Can you delay other video sources in OBS too or not?
I saw RetroTINK's website link to your Cantlink video as a cheap option for 480p60, and that's exactly how I've been using it, albeit with a USB extension cable in case it overheats and fries something. I do use an S-video splitter rather than playing through the OBS preview or something, but the latency is low enough that when I goofily sing along to the game's music, it totally syncs up on stream.
just a question, I have the same one as yours that you first show and was so pleased with. Which software do you recommend to use for that. because I didn't get any CD or software with it.
I just got a black box version of the silver you have. I'd like you to watch my review on it when I get it up. So far I tested it with capturing Mobile Phone games which seemed pretty good. I also realized for this smaller capture links you either need external audio as you stated, but I was also able to get audio but it was in mono. The box version was in stereo.
Honestly for me (not for anyone else) The $15 capture card is great value. I hear and see everyone complain about you cant display out to a screen at the same time, then just buy a cheap HDMI splitter. Remember RUclips and twitch have compression. And a very minor color difference is not going to "kill" the over quality of this. Elgato is great but forget about paying $120 - $200 for the same thing but in true 1080p60. 720p60 is still good. I already know how someone is going to tell how I'm wrong. I'm not. I said "Honestly for me(not for anyone else)". Anyways great video as always. GN or GM wherever you are.
I own two of the USB 2.0 devices, the "3.0 but is actually 2.0" device, and both an elgato HD60S+ and Cam Link 4k. I have only used them for Cam Capture.
One of the USB 2.0 devices came from MavisLink on Amazon that came with an extension cable, was double the price, but is superior to the cheaper one I bought on eBay. I used the extension cable with the eBay device and it's USB connection was not dependable. I never had a single issue with the MavisLink version. That proves the QC is not consistent. The eBay version also had a slightly more washed out picture.
The USB "3.0" version has been rock steady. I've used it on stream with a Canon HF20 camcorder and the Sony A5100 I use now. It handled both like a champ. I do stream at 720p, as a number of people do, and two people whose opinion I trust said it compared favorably to the HD60S+, but, again, that's at 720p and not 1080p.
I do personally feel like my picture quality is crisper with the Elgato products, but at $25, especially at a 720p stream, I'd suggest the USB "3.0" device as a solid option until you can get a Cam Link 4k or HD60S.
I am happy to answer any questions people might have, but EposVox's videos offer incredible info and I'd obviously defer to him.
KCWM do you have the tint as he said in the video? If yes, did you manage to solve it in OBS directly? What settings do you use? (Talking about the 3.0 dongle)
@@mauronedj I don't recall there being a tint. I no longer use it. I just found the videos I that I still have up and that I used the dongle on and it's a bit washed out. If you find my channel on twitch (under kcwm...sorry for the self-promo...it's relevant), the oldest seven videos (from the two videos labeled "So many trees. Island Maintenance" to "Catching critters and fighting fish"), I was using the "USB 3.0" dongle for those videos. The video titled "Mystery Island tour with Ellie" is the first video where I used an Elgato HD60S+. I use a Sony a5100 for all of those videos. Should give you some real time examples. I didn't do anything special in Streamlabs OBS other than set up the Chroma settings.
The cheap plastic capture card is capturing S-Video. Internally it has a HDMI to S-video/composite converter chip that is directly wired into a S-Video/composite capture chip. I bought one and it never worked correctly, I couldn't even get VHS quality out of it, so I pulled it apart and looked up the chips. It's funny because it would have worked in theory, though it would have been VHS quality, but the one I got was broken.
That video quality looked great to me. I can't see anyone complaining besides creators staring for artifacts. Lol.
There seems to be a new version of the Can'tLink released very recently that looks the exact same but supports 1080p60 through USB 2.0 (says 3.0 but the connector is just colored blue just like the EZ Crap) and comes in a coffee color. It's priced about the same. I just got my Can'tLink today and that works fine, but now I regret not waiting and "pontentially" getting the same capture card with 60fps support for almost the same price.
1 year late reply but sadly it's just faking 60fps, it's essentially 30fps, with the frames duplicated to produce a fake 60fps
Oh my god, that intro is clean! Just like the video :)
With my Sony A5100 I'm using the Cantlink one I got for £28 and returning my Elgato Camlink that I paid £120 for here in the UK.
I'm happy to stream in 30fps b just concerned that MJPEG is not as good as YUY2 as you mentioned some issues in artifacting and a green hue to the picture. I'm a bit colour blind and don't have a great eye for picture quality so can't do a comparison between the two before I return it and wonder if I will be putting out an inferior picture with the Cantlink or if it will not even be noticeable.
I own all cheap capture cards as shown in the video (except the silver one) (and the black one at 11:57) and all of them worked without drivers for me, also the one at 7:24. Also every one of them had yuv for me. Though I work on linux not on windows.
How is that black one? Is it any good?
@@MemeScreen all of them are black ^^
@@lal12 "the black one at 11:57
@@MemeScreen I currently use that one for digitalizing VHS tapes so I can't really tell how good the quality is for 1080p
The one that you said you would review later is the one I have and for me it works well.
The cheap one (I got 4, sold as different brands) is a bargain, but its effectiveness depends on which app you're using it with. It's great with OBS or Zoom, for example, but laggy or no good with Discord or Microsoft Teams -- I'm guessing because of its limits in type of video it can produce. So it's not a true substitute for Elgato Camlink, which works with all of these, but....well worth the price nowadays. (If it's all you've got, you can use a virtual webcam to use the OBS video in other programs.) By the way, one of the 4 that I bought was no good, but the seller promptly replaced it with one that works fine, so....possible quality control issues.
OOOooo I love your shirt man! Where did you get it??
Interesting, I kinda wanna do a deep dive technical look at the other ones. I'm interested in how the hell they do signal chains and what EDID/EEPROM code they have in them.
what I'm hearing is if you want to stream console games but don't have a means to do so, the USB 2.0 one from the previous video is great as an entry device. I only am looking because i own a Switch and sometimes my buddy likes to watch me stream games but when playing the Switch, I can't stream it and quality doesn't have to be spot on. I'm not expecting to blow up and become the next Ninja, I just want to play games and stream them for friends.
I am one of those who have it plugged in 24/7 with GoPro + Can'tLINK for zoom meetings and never missed a beat with sub 100ms lag, I made a video about it and my comment section were SWAMPED with tech support questions lol. Now I know why.
I purchased the Silver one recommended in this video (7:55 sold under the LinkFor brand now) and was disappointed to find I could not at all achieve good picture quality. The one I received is not USB 3.0 capable (confirmed using USBTree viewer on two different devices), and could not deliver decent quality images whatsoever. I used it to capture Switch footage, but the resulting image is just completely janky and full of image artifacts.
Don't know what could have changed, but it is definitely not a recommended product now.
I'm not sure why yours had 126ms of input lag, I have the same Fake USB 3.0 model myself and mine is probably closer to 70ms's.
I have to add about 33-35ms's of delay to my live gamer 4k to get frames to sync up together.
(Methodology: I used an hdmi splitter and sent video to both Live Gamer 4k, and Fake 3.0. OBS delay set to the live gamer of 33ms's, recorded and playback in slowmo)
Can you share link to the shop selling your shirts? They're pretty cute, I like it!
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@@EposVox Thanks!
I actually have that USB Capture Device.. But you see that program you where using to test it, the one at 5mins ish.. What is that called? Looks like it could be handy. Thanks in advance
From my experience none of these are 60fps. So far I have purchased 3 different brands, and all seem to be 30fps sampled twice. frames 1-2 are the same, frames 3-4 are the same, frames 5-6 are the same and so on.
So the diamond in the rough mentioned at the end ....????
That's a bummer about the 3.0 version of that 2.0 adapter. I was hoping to get a few more frames with that "better" version. That being said, I had to add 233ms of delay on my audio using a GoPro Hero 3+ as the camera. It still works great, so not a big deal.
I bought a $20 HDMI audio break out box and low and behold the L/R were swapped inside. So I had to use 3.5mm to RCA cables and flip it. Ugh. These $20 white box parts need to go away.
I ended up buying a version of the can'tlink labelled "video capture with loop". It has an extra hdmi output for connecting a monitor, so you don't have to play off of the preview. It seems to be the same quality as the can'tlink, so it might be more worthwhile for some people. (It looks similar to the can'tlink, so probably the same internals as well)
(Oh, and I had to return it the first time around because they forgot to include the actual device in the box...)
(And, the included USB cable was really flakey, but a replacement one worked fine.)
I bought the cantlink and the usb3 version.. no complaints, the price is right.
Hey EposVox!
What do you think about the TKHIN Capture Card USB-C ? Seems really good for the price and USB-C is very appealing.
It’s the same as all the cheap $5-50 “cant links”. It has USB C but it’ll only be 2.0 speeds and only mjpeg and not any better
I bought one of the cheap options from the link in your other video about this. Well......at least didn't work with my Canon 70D (i want it just for facecam). It keeps capturing only 480p. I don't know if it is beacause of some 70 limit (HDCP for example) or it is just beacause the capture card is another Easy Crap LoL
Now i'm waiting for my AverMedia LGP Lite GL310 hoping it works haha
Thanks for the video!
I think it's important to note that with a lot of the cheaper cards you can't run multiple of them in the same PC. After the last video I bought 4 of the same cheap capture cards for some "split-screen" streams with 4 different consoles, but OBS will only pick up the video from one card at a time.
After the video quality being fine on the one console I decided to buy 3 other cheaper capture cards and try my luck, all with the same issue despite being different brands and designs. All worked perfectly when the only device plugged into my PC or using the "deactivate" on all capture cards in OBS and then "activate" on the specific console you want.
I'm guessing this is due to the plug and play ability and them not having specific drivers.
But yeah, no good if you wanted multiple cheap capture cards running on the same PC at the same time.
Oh, strange, plenty of people confirmed they could use multiple on the same PC from the last video heh
@@EposVox Interesting. I wonder if it's something I've somehow overlooked in settings of OBS or something.
I tried all combinations of capture cards on 2 different PCs and had the same issue so assumed it was a universal thing.
Ended up using a weird combination of different NDI sources from different machines until I bought some Elgato HD60 S' that were able to work with multiple on the same PC.
@@walteewartooth6860 Actually I think it's because you're reaching the USB 2.0 bandwidth limit on your system's usb controller chip. That's also a problem with USB 2.0, since every computer has the same 40 megabytes per second per each usb controller for usb 2.0, which means you can probably only use two at a time UNLESS you are using different USB controllers(ie pcie usb 3.0 expansion card) but aside from that, you can also try USB 3.0 splitters, since they take everything and mush it into a usb 3.0 stream(which has worked better for me before)
@@8bit_coder Hmm... I need to look into that some more. I have 2 PCI-E USB expansions cards in one of my PCs already, just can't think which USB ports I was plugging the capture cards into. Thanks for the info.
I'm curious if this cheaper capture card captures the audio from the camera and brings it into OBS for streaming. What's your experience?
BRO that shirt is SO CLEAN !!!
Epos maybe you could say something about building second pc for streaming. How good it should be (how many cores), ram etc. Maybe its just all about capture card while pc spec is preety much irrelevant?. Do capture card require some sort of fan or cooling to be reliable?. Is it better (in terms of latency) to put capture card into primary pcie graphics slot going directly to cpu?.
Should I buy this for my PS4 slim? Great vid by the way!
What camera are you using as the main Camera, on this Video, the Focus is kind of fast, I thought you are using Lumix gh5s but that focus was good, am not sure if you change camera?
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EposVox thanks for the quick reply sir, I knew it! That was too fast, Lumix GH5S can’t focus that fast
i bought this capture thing about a month ago. and to me it works as you would expect a £10 capture card to be. the only thing with your review that isnt the same to mine. im not getting the 133ms delay as you said. yes the delay is there but it defo isnt 133ms. id say on mine its about 50 to 40 ms of delay.
My "Can't Link" (The fake USB 3 one) basically crapped itself recently. It works, but only occasionally and not for much time (like maybe 30 minutes if I'm lucky), and the audio capture is non-existent for me (even with an audio source set in OBS). So it went in the bin.
It was good while it lasted, but you get what you pay for... although I'll probably get another one, just not the "Can't Link 3.0" and maybe the original one from your first video (If I can find one).
My cantlink randomly started displaying that the USB device is not recognized... it also started heating up really badly. Ive stopped using it out of fear it'll melt my USB port
If someone is having bad resolution on the can't link using a camera, I had this issue with my T3i.
The problem is that it doesn't EDID handshake (procedure equipment use to tell each other which resolutions they support) and defaults to the camera liveview resolution (720x480 on my Canon T3i).
I solved this issue using a cheap HDMI splitter between them (camera connected to the splitter, which outputs to the capture card). Now it works at FullHD :)
LOL, love your shirt! haha. Great video... Thanks!
I have just found your channel while searching info on capture cards. OMG what a mindfield. Help. I want to use my surface 3 as a monitor for my video camera Nikon Z6. because i where glasses, the bigger the picture the better. also don't want to spend a fortune. can you recommend a good video capture card for this purpose. your help would be much appreciated
I have a Lumix G7 and just want to live view while recording so that I know I'm in focus. Unfortunately, with the G7 you can only accomplish live view with an external recording monitor. I seen you use the CamLink4k in another video and thought I solved my problem. Until I realized the price skyrocketed! Are there any other video capture cards that can output in 4k with quality similar or better to the CamLink? or can I buy a card that down samples to 1080 then upscale it to 4k in Davinci?
That is a very very very slick new intro
I realize that "streamers" are all about streaming their screen. I am not a streamer, so I was pretty disappointed that Panasonic's "update" was just the ability to display the camera-over-wifi preview "clean" without overlays so that you could then stream from screen capture. (Unless I've missed an update.). As for the $8/$15/$20 "cantlink" I got one and it's... fine. It gets 1080 HDMI into the computer so I can use and/or capture what's coming off my GH5 or other camera.
Yep, Panasonic's was the most disappointing of the bunch. They all just use tethering previews, but not building in a webcam driver was a mistake
Never heard of mjpeg before. Is it better than mp4?
Hey comments section!
Have any of you tried the "Can'tLink" alongside a webcam to get two video feeds simultaneously in OBS? I can't seem to get mine to work that way. I was hoping to use my webcam (logitech c525) to do face cam, and use the Can'tLink to grab content. It appears that OBS is recognising both of them as webcams, so I can't display both at the same time, and if I switch back and forth between them, the Can'tLink sometimes just falls off and doesn't display. My work around has been checking the "deactivate this source when not in use" option for the video capture/webcam capture in OBS, but that means I get an annoying 1-ish second blank transition time when switching between scenes. Anybody else experienced this and have any tips?
funny thing is a few years ago i had to install that garbage software cd to get composite out of a VHS camcorder and the software didnt even work lol.
I'm still looking for a 4k passthrough card with OSSC support for a laptop. One day...
Live Gamer Ultra, Magewell's usb capture HDMI 4K+ LT
So the latency from these capture devices does that only effect the stream or does it transmit to the monitor so you get latency while gaming and streaming?
The HDMI output on the ones with it is, passthrough, so stream only.
@@xHadesStamps Thanks mate
I got this and a hdmi splitter. Seems to work okay. Though I only ran a couple tests with my playstation 4.
Got that dongle card just for 2.5$. Won the dispute on aliexpress, because it's usb 2.0 and doesn't support 1080p60fps, so 10$ was refunded
Thank you so much for this, I have to use a webcam for work and Uni conferences and I don't wanna buy a webcam when I have a perfectly good A7S that I can use
Dear driend , which program do you use ?
Please Review The EzyCap Capture Devices.
You said the Can'tlink was the 2nd best latency in the last video, and here at around 11:35 you said the Can'tlink latency was horrible. Did you mean the Easycrap?
Indeed I did
i think its unfair to use the full vs partial on xbox one since the full option is broken when you compare it to the PS4.
Ok I got this for $23 on eBay lol I’m using it to stream Nintendo switch on OBS.. my source settings in OBS for the crap link is 720/60, then I kept my OBS stream/video output setting as 1080/60... and the result was excellent! So is it worth $23? Heck yes! I just wish it natively outputted @ 1080/60, as it leads you to believe on the product page. lol owell... Camlink still costs over $200+
Is it... Wood from BeatEmUps on 1:41?
For the love of all things holy... please PLEASE REVIEW THE DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH SHOWN @ 11:57
He said he will in a future video.
Which of all the "cheap" capture cards would you recommend at the moment Adam? im just interested in having a cheap alternative as a recommendation for some friends.
In description, the can't link.
I've been using the Cantlink to capture my Sony a5100 for a couple of months now and it's been pretty decent I have to say. I had to adjust audio latency on my broadcasting app (which could be because I have it connected to a USB 3.0 port, not sure if that matters) but the image quality works quite well. I stream 720p at 30 fps as an fyi. I'm quite certain I've been lucky as it hasn't crapped out on me yet but even if it did, I would attempt to buy at least one more because it's so damn cheap. You do get what you pay for, that's no lie. But a Camlink at over $100 is also completely overbudget even for someone who already happens to own a camera that outputs clean HDMI. A dongle like the Cantlink made by a quality company that can output 1080/30 and 720/60 and not be a chunky bastard I think would be reasonable at $40-50.
Edit: The card you teased, I've seen it floating around ebay quite a bit. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts before I pull the trigger.
I'm feeding mirrored HDMI outputs from 2 computers into a laptop which is streaming to twitch as a VR split-screen. Is it safe to assume I could hook both of these into a laptop feed them the HDMI output and use Twitch Studio or OBS Studio to take the 2 sources? It seems like it would work, but I don't know if using 2 on one machine would cause any conflict.
The answer is YES this works! Hell, I even hooked up a 3rd one and now I have my little Luminex camera streaming as well :) What a crazy little device :D
the latency in the supercheap usb capture card is determined by usb speed, just try different ports.. mine became soo low using a 3.0 port even not working as a proper 3.0 card
Yes, which is why I try the same ports w/ every card. If the same port is fast on one card and not the other, the port is not the problem
Is there still coming an NVENC custom setting video soon™ ?
I am looking at all of your videos. Doing some research for someone to upgrade from their C929. Are any of the 1080 60 worth getting without going to Cam Link?
Did the followup ever happen?
Would the Sony a77 be a good streaming camera? I can actually get it and a lens for about the same price of an a5100 (just body). Would there be any downsides compared to the a5100?
Does the knockoff camlink work on xbox?
Great vid. If I was looking to buy a capture card I’d just save up for one of the more expensive ones.
Which program are you using at 4:18?
Isnt the 5v barrel connector for the passthrough?
Very nice T shirt 😃, still doesnt beat the purple 🤪
omg
@@EposVox Nah seriously, very nice t shirt, it looks like youre wearing a cornflakes box🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Just bought a cantlink and it’s coming tomorrow keep you updated
can we use for mobile streaming
Hello, which capture cards have 4k HDR passthrough?