Only does 30fps at 1080p. If you want 60fps you have to drop it down to 720p. I see reviews saying it does 1080p60 but while the software lets you select it, it's just duplicating every other frame. (Actually, checking the PCB it's totally different to the one in this video, with different chips. The outside case is absolutely identical so there's no way to tell.)
Thank you! Bought it 3 months ago. I cant get 60fps with it. thought the problem was my i5 - 6400 cpu (integrated streaming pc without gpu) What cap card are you using? Do you think need to upgrade my cpu tu achieve 60fps recording, with your capture card?
There's no issue with any of these cheap capture cards. I was able to record in full 4k 60fps on a $20 capture card. The capture card itself doesn't have any power at all. All the power depends on how strong your PC is. All the capture card is doing is showing a image and that's it. My rig is kinda old now. Ryzen 7 first generation paired with a RX 480 GPU. Only OBS running with something else running separately on another you can record in 4k 60fps. Even if you can't record in full 4k 60fps. You can always upscale your footage for free. Example, If you recorded something in 720p 29.94 same as 30fps. You can bring the footage to a program called Handbreak and change 29.94 to 60fps and also change the resolution. There's 2 options you have to always pick when you upscale. Denoise and Sharpen. Without activating these options, the upscale will look terrible. Always Denoise and Sharpen.
@@100Bucks I've got 2 (and a Core i9 but this doesn't matter). Testing one and claiming there's no issue with any of them, and saying you can just convert 30 to 60 in post, tells me all I need to know.
@@googleboughtmee Its just my input. OBS running with no other program running in the background lets me record in full 4k 60fps with a completely different device connected to the PC. Now if I run a game that's on the same PC with OBS running at the same time. I can only record in 1080p 60fps. OBS running by itself with a separate input gives me the full 4k 60fps. Also did this test on a weaker PC. A celeron laptop. It wasn't same results. 720p at 29.94 and 360p at a full 60fps. The capture card does absolutely nothing but produce the image on the screen. What you record depends on your PC hardware. Therefore, Elgato is a huge scam.
A USB A to A cable is inherently wrong, as it is against the definition in the standard. Any device which has this shows that the maker didn't care about this standard, so probably didn't care about any standard.
Well, if You have an USB-A to USB-A connection in any external device (HDD enclosure, SATA/IDE -> USB adapters, etc.) You can always use an USB-A to USB-C cable if You have an USB-C port in Your laptop or Desktop. I used that in my sata/ide adapter and I-tec HDD enclosure and it works like a charm, so for me isn't a problem. Of course it would be better if it had an USB-C connector onboard but USB-A seems to be just cheaper for a chinese manufacturer.
I got this for Animal Crossing and it works pretty good for the price. Sometimes it will drop frames while streaming or will not update the streak right away at times but I also use my laptop instead of a regular computer so it could just be my laptop cannot handle it but overall it is a pretty good capture card for it being cheaper
I bought one of the linked capture cards and opened it up. They kindly put heatsinks on all the chips. If you buy one of these you might get lucky like me.
@@RamonHernandez I just got an identical looking one and it too has heatsinks. I opened it up thinking "well I guess I can add my own heatsinks" and they were already there.
MJPEG is one of the first digital video formats ever created. It was created back in the early 1990s and designed to run on single core machines. The most modern drivers from it only go up to about 2010 when development ceased. There was no reason to use it anymore with h.264 rising to prevalence. The only advantage it had was that it could literally run on a potato. A lot of these Chinese companies found out they could put it on devices that cost practically nothing to manufacturer in this day and age and sell them as HD video capture cards. Technically they were not lying but I don't think the people buying them realize how old the recording tech is in them.
You need an intra-frame codec for something real time like this so almost all the benefits of using something like h.264 go out the window when that exists as a requirement. Sure you could use a constrained intra version of h.264 but it doesn't buy you much. This is not compressing for storage it's just compressing to fit it on a wire. Uncompressed YUY at these resolutions would require thousands of mbps of bandwidth which is fine for an HDMI cable but challenging over USB and impossible over USB 2.
The LATTICE chip is a simple FPGA, programmable logic. So there's some logic programmed in there that takes the HDMI signal, encodes it in one way or another, and spits it out the USB port.
I bought one and tried one. There was an a/v lag I couldn't resolve. I'm thinking the device, despite saying it was a 3.0 usb device was a 2.0 usb device. The video came about 1.5 seconds before the audio. I could async audio to the video, but the delay was too bad to make any game capture on the device unplayable. It probably would have been ok for a camera capture. I ended up returning it.
Ironically enough, I managed to get a used Avermedia Live Gamer Portable C875 for roughly the same price as those generic 4k HDMI USB 3.0 based capture cards (albeit for $50 Canadian Dollars since I live in Toronto) and I've been loving it since. So it's possible to get a used or even refurbished capture cards/devices for even around 50 bucks. :P
This looks great otherwise (for the price that is), but the preview delay is a disappointment. I'm looking for something to basically just play switch in a window, just more handy to play pokemon on a computer with all the damage calcs and other resources at hand so it's not like i need perfect zero latency, but ever navigating menus at 100ms+ additional delay is pretty brutal.
Yeah i definitely didn't get it for 4K. 1080p60 for a PS4 is fine. Wish I could color tune but when I got it for $60, it was not a bad find at all. I just need to get better at figuring out how to get my sound lined up better for monitoring but that's just my own human error.
On the subject of USB A to A, you say it's not inherently wrong. I disagree completely - a USB A to A cable is something that shouldn't exist at all. A should only be for host ports and B should be used for client devices. There's no excuse for using an A port on the device which then requires a cable that shouldn't exist. I still might buy one of these but that cable will annoy me.
I've been using the exact same card since February, and it works REALLY well! The footage comes a little pixelated, but sharpening the video and lowering the brightness fixes the problem! I used an HDMI-USB before, so it might just be me, but I really don't care about the quality.
"There's nothing wrong with it being A to A" - well there isn't if you tape or hotglue the cable the card and make it a pigtail. If someone were to accidentally connect two USB host devices to each other with this cable, it will be bad times, because whichever device has the tiniest bit higher 5V by just a hundredth of volt will backfeed into the other, and this is a big NO-NO. Theoretically, such cable - male-to-male - should never exist. Extension cables - male-to-female are fine though. I think i know why they did this. Because A used to be the only cheap USB3 board connector a couple years back, so a large number of Chinese cards do this. Now USB-C prices have come down, but still... chances are, every cent counts. There exists a USB3 Micro port, you have seen it on external hard disks and whatnot, but it's quite a menace, i can understand why nobody in their right mind would want to use that. Then other cards started copying this trait, even when it makes no sense. For example the Cantlink - it has a sibling with builtin HDMI port replicator, it's called "HDMI Capture With Loop". It has a USB2 A port on the device, just like these, but of course it's a USB2 port. It also has a USB2 Micro port on the other side of the device to power just the splitter. Now a sensible person would just ditch the stupid USB A port and just run the data over USB Micro - it's a USB2 device, it'll do fine, it's not even THAT power hungry enough to cause issues. They are shooting for the lowest pricee, the socket isn't expensive, but i mean, they could have shaved a couple cents and would have been better for it. I wonder if USB3 really "serves no purpose" here. Try it on a USB2 hub or a USB2 extension cable, see whether it can maintain the modicum of quality that it delivers, or whether it falls of a cliff and starts looking atrocious. Obviously USB3 has the bandwidth to deliver uncompressed video, but that doesn't mean the electronics here has the IO throughput to utilise all of it. To me it seems like MJPEG - for adequate resolution - actually looks fairly good on this card! The Cantlink is much muddier thanks to 4:2:0 subsampling and low bitrate even at 1080p30, and 1080p60 is yet more challenging, and that's a MacroSilicon ASIC. As to what is on here? The Lattice chip has a nonstandard marking, the company makes FPGA chips with internal program storage, and the manufacturer is probably getting them pre-programmed from Lattice, it can come out cheaper because chips then don't need to pass full validation, which is pretty expensive, but only partial validation just for the program that goes into them - and then they'd be marked with the lot number rather than as the chip that they really are, so googling it will be futile. The other chips probably have erased markings and are re-marked. Notice that TC32F032 marking is off-kilter - i don't know any legitimate IC factory that could ever release them like this, and it's difficult to guess where the TC2002A and TC1860A come from, but i can maybe try later. The already mentioned TC32 looks to be a microcontroller, STM32F032 or clone made by GD, CKS or WCH. Wolfson Audio CODEC - generous - would expect a Princeton Technology one in a low cost device like this instead. Can i have a look at the backside of the board? Because i can see exactly one signal pair going to the USB chip on this side, so this is USB 2.0, but USB 3.0 takes another two pairs, so the question is whether they start on the other side or are missing alrogether.
I was running it on USB 2 just fine. It was confirmed on Twitter that the data pins for USB 3 aren't being used. It's *possible* it's pulling more power via USB 3, but that hasn't been the case for others and it seems to work fine on USB 2
BTW the primary purpose of the microcontroller is probably EDID manipulation, and programming the registers of HDMI interface chip, which might also contain the scaler. It's also programming the i2c registers of the audio CODEC. Lattice is possibly just glue logic. The USB controller chip has an XMC flash nearby. As to remarked "TC" chips - acetone them! I wonder if the coating is just painted on.
@@EposVox I have seen the power spec on them of 250mA over USB - they don't need USB3 for power. That comes out to 1.25W so this is ample power for the chips to run pretty hot to the touch - but i don't expect them to take thermal damage. I think most likely the potentialy high failure rate is either due to static pre-damaged chips, bad realisation of support components such as voltage regulators, or bad solder composition or soldering quality, not from the heat. Though heat does cause some movement and can exacerbate soldering quality issues.
Hector Martin and Loïc Yhuel figured out the chips. TC2002A = GSV2002. Chinese HDMI splitter. Lattice chip - actually Silicon Image Sil9293, Lattice acquired the company recently. It even says Sil9293 on it, but it was difficult to tell, it looked like a string of numbers from here :D This is a standard HDMI receiver with configurable ouput. TC1860 = FIC7618. Mystery USB2 video capture chip. The covering on the relabelled chips is paint, Hector simply scraped his off to recover the actual designation. He also doesn't have much good to say about the 7618 - it works OK to a point, but completely breaks when image complexity exceeds a threshold. Colour me not at all surprised that all of these cheap cards compress with a fixed quantisation factor, which results in varying packet size. He also says this is a counterfeiting operation that reuses chassis that have seen use in much better capture devices with actual USB 3.0 capability but puts this USB2 device in there.
So I just bought one of these off Amazon (the LEADNOVO varient)... My only issue is that it looks like in the OBS preview that I am not getting 60fps. It looks like its skipping frames/jittery... I have a very strong computer that I built only a few months ago, so my PC should be plenty powerful. I double/triple checked and yes, the settings on the video capture in OBS says 60fps... any ideas on how to fix this?
I have this capture card and the pass through isn't working for me. I am trying to figure out if it's my set up that's wrong or if the unit is faulty and I need a new one. I'm using it for live streaming a church service. Ok, here goes -- 1. Camera connects to capture card to "HDMI Input" 2. Sound from soundboard goes into the "mic" jack of the capture card. 3. USB out goes to a computer, which then is live streamed on FB / YT / Zoom / whatever. Now I'm attempting to connect a smart TV from the HDMI Output to one of the HDMI input on the TV. But the TV isn't recognizing it. The HDMI cable used is directional so I made sure and check to make sure the cable is plugged in correctly and they are. How do I get the TV to recognize the HDMI output? Theoretically, it should just show up, right?
Would you happen to know why the quality is great when I'm standing still in game and then when I move the footage is strobing or pretty much loosing pixels????????
Hey @EposVox just a small note, I got one of these and I noticed that when I tested on a 2011 Mac Mini with USB 2.0 there was a delay on sound for about 1-2 secs. When I tested on an old Win10 laptop with USB 3.0 there was no delay. I'm wondering if it was because it was USB 2.0 for the audio delay? Or it's Mac OS? Might be something to look into.
We’re looking to capture gameplay on OBS from our Mega Drive, Saturn and Dreamcast using HDMI solutions … does this card work with OBS? The dual HDMI to allow us to play the game latency free while feeding OBS would be really great. Would this do the job?
What program can you use to play the video live on your PC? Im not trying to stream, as much as record while I play the game on my monitor for later reviews. But I cant figure out a way to live-watch/play my game...
So I ended up buying this, and the video works great, but any audio coming through the USB is FULL of just noise, and I can't seem to figure out how to fix it
Shorter cables are not necessarily for the reason of being cheaper, but for being better quality. For the best capture quality, you want the shortest cable from console to capture card. From there, doesn't really matter. You want to reduce all cable noise possible; the longer the cable, the noisier the data.; because physics.
It’s digital video, cable length has absolutely zero impact on quality. Either the handshake is successful or it’s not. Longer cables will struggle with flaky reliability - but at that point we’re talking 50ft+, not this small. But unlike analog video, quality is never affected by cables with digital video
@@EposVox So you are under the impression that digital signals cannot pick up noise ("absolutely zero impact")? The extremely high rate of data is highly susceptible to noise simply due to a constant stream of data (think statistically). It's not like a keyboard or mouse with extremely limited flow of data, which would almost never be impacted due to its protocols. All and any EM noise in the area will absolutely affect your digital or analog signal to any degree, noticeable or not. Capturing truest raw data is a skill. Well shielded cables under 12inches are preferred over anything else to the point of capture. Beyond that, it only matters as much as you want it to.
HDMI video does not pick up noise that way, no. Any signal integrity issues would present as digital artifacting or signal loss. Regardless cheap chinesium knockoff capture products are not shielded inside nor in the cheap-as-possible cables they include, either. Capturing raw data is not a skill, simply requires bandwidth and controller overhead, and cables that stay connected and maintain the handshake.
@@EposVox So, you wouldn't consider unknown digital artifacting as noise pick up? You're funny man. It's okay to not fully understand something and be humble about it sometimes. Capturing raw data is indeed a skill. Lol.
Artifacting is not the same as noise and is very obvious to spot - whereas actual noise would be subtle and just quality degradation. Digital signal issues again are not really commonly affected by the quality of cable, shielding does not benefit digital in the same way it does analog, and you’re most likely to notice it immediately because your signal will just be cutting in and out. And again, these are chinesium knock off products made with the cheapest possible parts, they weren’t using short cables for quality. Capturing “true raw video” is a matter of having the right hardware and the right program. Little skill involved. If you’re worried about keeping the best signal, you’d be using SDI anyways, which absolutely maintains the exact same signal over short or massively long lengths. Video capture is literally my expertise. It’s what my whole job and career is based on. Your insults do nothing but reveal your own foolishness. Don’t be a dick. This is not a good use of your time, you clearly need to do something better with your life
Hello quick question, can I use this for my ps4 to pc ? I am new to this stuff not sure how it works and I haven’t got money for the expensive capture cards :(
Thanks for the review. I do not play games, i am looking for a card like this just to be used as webcam for live streeming using mty dslr that is all. Did you try it out? BTW if i may ask, what is the setting of your audio? I use premiere and Audacity. thanks in advance. P.S eventually i will a proper card for my PC, i just dont to blow $200+ yet
Neither of my laptops are picking it up other than “usb video” and not registering on OBS I should have just bought an ElGato but I read reviews stating this was BETTER than an ElGato.
New to the capture card game…would this be okay with PS3? I’ve seen that some work but others won’t. Just trying to find a cheaper option than the elgato.
The thing about 480i is that it looks like crap after posting that quality on RUclips with my Elgato HD. It looks fine on my computer, but the gameplay footage is a mess after it goes through RUclips processing.
RUclips uses a pretty crappy, fast de-interlacing algorithm in order to just spit the videos up as quick as possible. You're better off finding software like FFMPEG or even something like Adobe Premiere and de-interlacing yourself using whatever algorithm looks best to you.
So can u plug a usb stick with videos on it into this and then use the hdmi output from this and plug it into a projector to watch the videos with sound from this device.
Great video! Anyone know why I can't get it to work via OBS scene? I use an ASUS x13 laptop to stream ad want to share/swap a scene where its video/audio on a macbook. I can hear the audio through my headset but audience cannot. :/
Hello. Could you please answer me a question? I have the same card… I have the Nintendo Switch as source playing a game in 1080P in 60 FPS. It looks butter smooth on TV but on OBS even tough OBS tells me the source is in fact 60 FPS it’s not as smooth as the TV and the recording not as well. It looks more like 30FPs even though it says it’s in 60. What could this be? I tried every setting and even a different computer.
Hi...I use same camera as you, SONY A6400. How you remove all displaying menu from the screen? When I using a capturecard, all menu displayed at my dony display will displayed also in the OBS. I really need your advices. Thanks a lot.
Do you recommend this capture card for Android? I just need 1080p at 60fps, does this card run at 60? I saw in other places they run realistically at 30.
Ended up getting it to work by adding a 120hz profile using cru(to the capture card I think, but don't quote me on it). Didn't go for more since I figured 4k30=1080p120 so yeah. Actually, I don't remember whether or not I could've gone for more but even if so, the image quality probably wouldn't have benefitted too much from it I suppose(again, don't quote me on it)... Can't say anything about long-term side effects/whether or not it harmed the card/anything else since I ended up sending the card back since I didn't really end up needing it/wouldn't have ended up using it enough to justify the purchase(not my proudest moment, sending it back)
I am needing 1080i rather than 1080p from the device you show at 1:42, but cannot find any software that supports interlaced video. Please can you help me in this respect?
The $60. capture you just showed lasted me 1 month and just died yesterday. Do not buy that crap for the love of god! I ignored the bad reviews and used it for the one month and it fried itself. I opened it up and one of the chips on it was melted.
I have used this capture card and it works ok but i have 2 MAJOR complaints, 1. When u use an elgato chatlink cable - When i press the options button and scroll threw options or menus in various games it makes a pop/crackling noise this i can only get rid of if i plug my headset directly into it 2. probably my biggest complaint is that when i record game play - the game audio becomes offsync from the actual video and this i do not know how to correct at all. My PC runs at low CPU usage at least for me around 16% and everything in OBS looks fine but when i watch my recorded footage the audio is messed up.....Any solutions on how to correct this??????
I'm considering buying this capture card with your linK! but just one question, my needs are recording a camera 1080 60fps for zoom meetings this will do the job? and at 4k?
I’ve used avermedia products since 2013 in a 2nd desktop. All of cards I’ve used from them have the same fatal flaw for my streaming of mmorpgs - the inability to properly rend the red channel. Red text looks like a garbled mess on stream and in recordings and I have no idea if this is because the cards are or are not 4:4:4. I’m looking for a usb solution now that will be plugged into a newer Alienware m17 with 3070 and want to avoid these text issues. What’s the top usb option today?
Is there any clearance in the case to add like.. a raspberry pi heatsink? They're pretty low clearance and I believe if they'd fit it may be a good solution for heat problems.
I recently bought mine and hdmi input and output works but it keeps on disconnecting, the lights would stay one and then they begin to flicker then they will disconnect me, is there a way I can fix it ?
I have this. On obs it records great no lag no nothing. But once its in my computer videos its laggy and doesn’t look nothing how it did in obs. Can you help please. Or someone.
i have this same capture card but the device name keeps coming up as "USB video" and OBS just streams a black screen. all the video si have seen have the name as "USB3.0 HD VIDEO" is it possible that my PC is treating it as a camera? how can I fix this
So I have this, use it to stream from my Mac and stream switch games, works great, only one thing, I can’t get the audio correct. I can record sound from switch and my voice all good, but when I play fortnite or party games with in game voice I can not join voice chat. Any advice??
I got Leadnovo USB 3.0 4k HDMI Capture card and what I noticed right away is the screen taring when capturing at 1080p when my screen shaked ingame. I downscaled to 1600x1200 and it went away for that game. But in other games where I'm moving a lot like for example mariokart deluxe 8 the screen taring was back. I have 30 days to find a fix for this and my audio issue or im returning. Without the heatsinks I guarantee this capture card would stop working not even 3 months in considering even if I wanna play my switch is uses the cap card and pc unless i unplug everything from the cap card and plug it back up when I wanna stream. I 100% recommend to buy a good capture card not the $50 ones.
So I have this capture card and it does not show on my laptop when I try to use it on StreamLabs to connect to my Nintendo switch. Does it not work for laptops (I have a intel(r) core(tm) i7-6500u cpu @ 2.50ghz)
Got this, and it's been a pretty good plug and play. Just using it with an old go pro for as a webcam.
Does it record gamechat and partychat
@@tristandenysschen9958 could record my party chat because i have the party char playing on my monitor
@@immigrants5076 thx
my only dissapointment is that it seems its output is 30fps even though its meant to be 60fps
ya i bought a 18 dollar one.. my ps5 says output says 4k 60fps. i hope its not 30fps
Song at 6:08 - 7:15 is Clova by Pylot for those wondering.
Only does 30fps at 1080p. If you want 60fps you have to drop it down to 720p. I see reviews saying it does 1080p60 but while the software lets you select it, it's just duplicating every other frame.
(Actually, checking the PCB it's totally different to the one in this video, with different chips. The outside case is absolutely identical so there's no way to tell.)
Thank you! Bought it 3 months ago. I cant get 60fps with it. thought the problem was my i5 - 6400 cpu (integrated streaming pc without gpu)
What cap card are you using? Do you think need to upgrade my cpu tu achieve 60fps recording, with your capture card?
I did well to read the comments, thank you!
There's no issue with any of these cheap capture cards. I was able to record in full 4k 60fps on a $20 capture card. The capture card itself doesn't have any power at all. All the power depends on how strong your PC is. All the capture card is doing is showing a image and that's it. My rig is kinda old now. Ryzen 7 first generation paired with a RX 480 GPU. Only OBS running with something else running separately on another you can record in 4k 60fps. Even if you can't record in full 4k 60fps. You can always upscale your footage for free. Example, If you recorded something in 720p 29.94 same as 30fps. You can bring the footage to a program called Handbreak and change 29.94 to 60fps and also change the resolution. There's 2 options you have to always pick when you upscale. Denoise and Sharpen. Without activating these options, the upscale will look terrible. Always Denoise and Sharpen.
@@100Bucks I've got 2 (and a Core i9 but this doesn't matter). Testing one and claiming there's no issue with any of them, and saying you can just convert 30 to 60 in post, tells me all I need to know.
@@googleboughtmee Its just my input. OBS running with no other program running in the background lets me record in full 4k 60fps with a completely different device connected to the PC. Now if I run a game that's on the same PC with OBS running at the same time. I can only record in 1080p 60fps. OBS running by itself with a separate input gives me the full 4k 60fps. Also did this test on a weaker PC. A celeron laptop. It wasn't same results. 720p at 29.94 and 360p at a full 60fps. The capture card does absolutely nothing but produce the image on the screen. What you record depends on your PC hardware. Therefore, Elgato is a huge scam.
A USB A to A cable is inherently wrong, as it is against the definition in the standard. Any device which has this shows that the maker didn't care about this standard, so probably didn't care about any standard.
There should be another easy to use connector readily available for this purpose
Well, if You have an USB-A to USB-A connection in any external device (HDD enclosure, SATA/IDE -> USB adapters, etc.) You can always use an USB-A to USB-C cable if You have an USB-C port in Your laptop or Desktop. I used that in my sata/ide adapter and I-tec HDD enclosure and it works like a charm, so for me isn't a problem. Of course it would be better if it had an USB-C connector onboard but USB-A seems to be just cheaper for a chinese manufacturer.
I got this for Animal Crossing and it works pretty good for the price. Sometimes it will drop frames while streaming or will not update the streak right away at times but I also use my laptop instead of a regular computer so it could just be my laptop cannot handle it but overall it is a pretty good capture card for it being cheaper
I bought one of the linked capture cards and opened it up. They kindly put heatsinks on all the chips. If you buy one of these you might get lucky like me.
Which one did you get?
@@ezr7305 It says "page not found" on amazon now but it was that second one linked up in the description.
@@RamonHernandez I just got an identical looking one and it too has heatsinks. I opened it up thinking "well I guess I can add my own heatsinks" and they were already there.
MJPEG is one of the first digital video formats ever created. It was created back in the early 1990s and designed to run on single core machines. The most modern drivers from it only go up to about 2010 when development ceased. There was no reason to use it anymore with h.264 rising to prevalence. The only advantage it had was that it could literally run on a potato. A lot of these Chinese companies found out they could put it on devices that cost practically nothing to manufacturer in this day and age and sell them as HD video capture cards. Technically they were not lying but I don't think the people buying them realize how old the recording tech is in them.
You need an intra-frame codec for something real time like this so almost all the benefits of using something like h.264 go out the window when that exists as a requirement. Sure you could use a constrained intra version of h.264 but it doesn't buy you much. This is not compressing for storage it's just compressing to fit it on a wire. Uncompressed YUY at these resolutions would require thousands of mbps of bandwidth which is fine for an HDMI cable but challenging over USB and impossible over USB 2.
good review I think I'm still going to get the ElGato Cam Link but this will be a decent option for those who dont want to spend over 100 dollars.
The LATTICE chip is a simple FPGA, programmable logic. So there's some logic programmed in there that takes the HDMI signal, encodes it in one way or another, and spits it out the USB port.
I was just gonna say this.
www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Lattice/SII9293CNUC?qs=r5DSvlrkXmKt%252BYEC6gWEyQ%3D%3D
Lattice makes FPGAs, but this chip isn't a FPGA.
Ahhh u said it before me. I was just about to say this things. AHA
I bought one and tried one. There was an a/v lag I couldn't resolve. I'm thinking the device, despite saying it was a 3.0 usb device was a 2.0 usb device. The video came about 1.5 seconds before the audio. I could async audio to the video, but the delay was too bad to make any game capture on the device unplayable. It probably would have been ok for a camera capture. I ended up returning it.
I got the issue
Ironically enough, I managed to get a used Avermedia Live Gamer Portable C875 for roughly the same price as those generic 4k HDMI USB 3.0 based capture cards (albeit for $50 Canadian Dollars since I live in Toronto) and I've been loving it since. So it's possible to get a used or even refurbished capture cards/devices for even around 50 bucks. :P
I like the audio from that mic!
Wondering what mic are you using in this video, it sounds great
This looks great otherwise (for the price that is), but the preview delay is a disappointment. I'm looking for something to basically just play switch in a window, just more handy to play pokemon on a computer with all the damage calcs and other resources at hand so it's not like i need perfect zero latency, but ever navigating menus at 100ms+ additional delay is pretty brutal.
Finally, somebody is telling people how it is!
Yeah i definitely didn't get it for 4K. 1080p60 for a PS4 is fine. Wish I could color tune but when I got it for $60, it was not a bad find at all. I just need to get better at figuring out how to get my sound lined up better for monitoring but that's just my own human error.
Is it possible to record directly to external HDD without pc?
On the subject of USB A to A, you say it's not inherently wrong. I disagree completely - a USB A to A cable is something that shouldn't exist at all.
A should only be for host ports and B should be used for client devices. There's no excuse for using an A port on the device which then requires a cable that shouldn't exist. I still might buy one of these but that cable will annoy me.
i'm using it for livesteaming but the headphone jack doesn''t seem to work.
I've been using the exact same card since February, and it works REALLY well! The footage comes a little pixelated, but sharpening the video and lowering the brightness fixes the problem! I used an HDMI-USB before, so it might just be me, but I really don't care about the quality.
friend got me this capture card for christmas, and it just burnt out on me. nice to know i wasn't the only one who had their card burn out.
"There's nothing wrong with it being A to A" - well there isn't if you tape or hotglue the cable the card and make it a pigtail. If someone were to accidentally connect two USB host devices to each other with this cable, it will be bad times, because whichever device has the tiniest bit higher 5V by just a hundredth of volt will backfeed into the other, and this is a big NO-NO. Theoretically, such cable - male-to-male - should never exist. Extension cables - male-to-female are fine though.
I think i know why they did this. Because A used to be the only cheap USB3 board connector a couple years back, so a large number of Chinese cards do this. Now USB-C prices have come down, but still... chances are, every cent counts. There exists a USB3 Micro port, you have seen it on external hard disks and whatnot, but it's quite a menace, i can understand why nobody in their right mind would want to use that.
Then other cards started copying this trait, even when it makes no sense. For example the Cantlink - it has a sibling with builtin HDMI port replicator, it's called "HDMI Capture With Loop". It has a USB2 A port on the device, just like these, but of course it's a USB2 port. It also has a USB2 Micro port on the other side of the device to power just the splitter. Now a sensible person would just ditch the stupid USB A port and just run the data over USB Micro - it's a USB2 device, it'll do fine, it's not even THAT power hungry enough to cause issues. They are shooting for the lowest pricee, the socket isn't expensive, but i mean, they could have shaved a couple cents and would have been better for it.
I wonder if USB3 really "serves no purpose" here. Try it on a USB2 hub or a USB2 extension cable, see whether it can maintain the modicum of quality that it delivers, or whether it falls of a cliff and starts looking atrocious. Obviously USB3 has the bandwidth to deliver uncompressed video, but that doesn't mean the electronics here has the IO throughput to utilise all of it. To me it seems like MJPEG - for adequate resolution - actually looks fairly good on this card! The Cantlink is much muddier thanks to 4:2:0 subsampling and low bitrate even at 1080p30, and 1080p60 is yet more challenging, and that's a MacroSilicon ASIC.
As to what is on here? The Lattice chip has a nonstandard marking, the company makes FPGA chips with internal program storage, and the manufacturer is probably getting them pre-programmed from Lattice, it can come out cheaper because chips then don't need to pass full validation, which is pretty expensive, but only partial validation just for the program that goes into them - and then they'd be marked with the lot number rather than as the chip that they really are, so googling it will be futile. The other chips probably have erased markings and are re-marked. Notice that TC32F032 marking is off-kilter - i don't know any legitimate IC factory that could ever release them like this, and it's difficult to guess where the TC2002A and TC1860A come from, but i can maybe try later. The already mentioned TC32 looks to be a microcontroller, STM32F032 or clone made by GD, CKS or WCH. Wolfson Audio CODEC - generous - would expect a Princeton Technology one in a low cost device like this instead. Can i have a look at the backside of the board? Because i can see exactly one signal pair going to the USB chip on this side, so this is USB 2.0, but USB 3.0 takes another two pairs, so the question is whether they start on the other side or are missing alrogether.
I was running it on USB 2 just fine. It was confirmed on Twitter that the data pins for USB 3 aren't being used. It's *possible* it's pulling more power via USB 3, but that hasn't been the case for others and it seems to work fine on USB 2
BTW the primary purpose of the microcontroller is probably EDID manipulation, and programming the registers of HDMI interface chip, which might also contain the scaler. It's also programming the i2c registers of the audio CODEC. Lattice is possibly just glue logic. The USB controller chip has an XMC flash nearby. As to remarked "TC" chips - acetone them! I wonder if the coating is just painted on.
@@EposVox I have seen the power spec on them of 250mA over USB - they don't need USB3 for power. That comes out to 1.25W so this is ample power for the chips to run pretty hot to the touch - but i don't expect them to take thermal damage. I think most likely the potentialy high failure rate is either due to static pre-damaged chips, bad realisation of support components such as voltage regulators, or bad solder composition or soldering quality, not from the heat. Though heat does cause some movement and can exacerbate soldering quality issues.
Hector Martin and Loïc Yhuel figured out the chips.
TC2002A = GSV2002. Chinese HDMI splitter.
Lattice chip - actually Silicon Image Sil9293, Lattice acquired the company recently. It even says Sil9293 on it, but it was difficult to tell, it looked like a string of numbers from here :D This is a standard HDMI receiver with configurable ouput.
TC1860 = FIC7618. Mystery USB2 video capture chip.
The covering on the relabelled chips is paint, Hector simply scraped his off to recover the actual designation. He also doesn't have much good to say about the 7618 - it works OK to a point, but completely breaks when image complexity exceeds a threshold. Colour me not at all surprised that all of these cheap cards compress with a fixed quantisation factor, which results in varying packet size.
He also says this is a counterfeiting operation that reuses chassis that have seen use in much better capture devices with actual USB 3.0 capability but puts this USB2 device in there.
I been streaming with this beast
Crash Bandicoot 4
Outlast 2
N currently Alice Madness
Great capture card!
I bought one of these and sent that shit back expeditiously and just bought an Elgato HD60. NOT GOOD. *explosion*
This capture card has worked out amazingly for my gameplay videos, I really don’t have a problem with it.
So I just bought one of these off Amazon (the LEADNOVO varient)... My only issue is that it looks like in the OBS preview that I am not getting 60fps. It looks like its skipping frames/jittery... I have a very strong computer that I built only a few months ago, so my PC should be plenty powerful. I double/triple checked and yes, the settings on the video capture in OBS says 60fps... any ideas on how to fix this?
So at some point the Winstars version of this was actually USB 3 5gbit - with the chips sanded down so you couldn't ID it properly. I have one.
I have this capture card and the pass through isn't working for me. I am trying to figure out if it's my set up that's wrong or if the unit is faulty and I need a new one. I'm using it for live streaming a church service. Ok, here goes --
1. Camera connects to capture card to "HDMI Input"
2. Sound from soundboard goes into the "mic" jack of the capture card.
3. USB out goes to a computer, which then is live streamed on FB / YT / Zoom / whatever.
Now I'm attempting to connect a smart TV from the HDMI Output to one of the HDMI input on the TV. But the TV isn't recognizing it. The HDMI cable used is directional so I made sure and check to make sure the cable is plugged in correctly and they are.
How do I get the TV to recognize the HDMI output? Theoretically, it should just show up, right?
Just bought this for $27, and it worked perfectly streaming my Xbox One S
you could always add a small heat sink to it and make a custom case like people do with raspberry pi's
Would you happen to know why the quality is great when I'm standing still in game and then when I move the footage is strobing or pretty much loosing pixels????????
Bro, I hear you bumping PYLOT in the backround....A man of refined synthwave taste i see.
Hey @EposVox just a small note, I got one of these and I noticed that when I tested on a 2011 Mac Mini with USB 2.0 there was a delay on sound for about 1-2 secs. When I tested on an old Win10 laptop with USB 3.0 there was no delay. I'm wondering if it was because it was USB 2.0 for the audio delay? Or it's Mac OS? Might be something to look into.
We’re looking to capture gameplay on OBS from our Mega Drive, Saturn and Dreamcast using HDMI solutions … does this card work with OBS? The dual HDMI to allow us to play the game latency free while feeding OBS would be really great. Would this do the job?
What program can you use to play the video live on your PC? Im not trying to stream, as much as record while I play the game on my monitor for later reviews. But I cant figure out a way to live-watch/play my game...
what bitrate do u recommend for 1080p 60fps on one of these , cuz here on my end this looks flawless !!!!
Lacks USB A to A
Me: *works in electronics recycling rolling in a to a, a to b, micro to mini* just gonna be like Thanos now
did linux peeps really get annoyed at you for not showcasing that usb-uvc, a well supported and universal protocol, works on linux or not? damn.
So I ended up buying this, and the video works great, but any audio coming through the USB is FULL of just noise, and I can't seem to figure out how to fix it
Have u sorted it out yet?
@@ozenq4668 Nope. Even returned it and got another one, same issue. But only with PS3 games. PS1 games work perfectly fine, no issues
@@ParallaxSound315 would it be fine if I was to connect it to a laptop and my gaming pc?
@@ozenq4668 No idea. I've only tried it on my PS3
Shorter cables are not necessarily for the reason of being cheaper, but for being better quality. For the best capture quality, you want the shortest cable from console to capture card. From there, doesn't really matter. You want to reduce all cable noise possible; the longer the cable, the noisier the data.; because physics.
It’s digital video, cable length has absolutely zero impact on quality. Either the handshake is successful or it’s not. Longer cables will struggle with flaky reliability - but at that point we’re talking 50ft+, not this small.
But unlike analog video, quality is never affected by cables with digital video
@@EposVox So you are under the impression that digital signals cannot pick up noise ("absolutely zero impact")? The extremely high rate of data is highly susceptible to noise simply due to a constant stream of data (think statistically). It's not like a keyboard or mouse with extremely limited flow of data, which would almost never be impacted due to its protocols. All and any EM noise in the area will absolutely affect your digital or analog signal to any degree, noticeable or not.
Capturing truest raw data is a skill. Well shielded cables under 12inches are preferred over anything else to the point of capture. Beyond that, it only matters as much as you want it to.
HDMI video does not pick up noise that way, no. Any signal integrity issues would present as digital artifacting or signal loss.
Regardless cheap chinesium knockoff capture products are not shielded inside nor in the cheap-as-possible cables they include, either.
Capturing raw data is not a skill, simply requires bandwidth and controller overhead, and cables that stay connected and maintain the handshake.
@@EposVox So, you wouldn't consider unknown digital artifacting as noise pick up? You're funny man. It's okay to not fully understand something and be humble about it sometimes.
Capturing raw data is indeed a skill. Lol.
Artifacting is not the same as noise and is very obvious to spot - whereas actual noise would be subtle and just quality degradation.
Digital signal issues again are not really commonly affected by the quality of cable, shielding does not benefit digital in the same way it does analog, and you’re most likely to notice it immediately because your signal will just be cutting in and out.
And again, these are chinesium knock off products made with the cheapest possible parts, they weren’t using short cables for quality.
Capturing “true raw video” is a matter of having the right hardware and the right program. Little skill involved. If you’re worried about keeping the best signal, you’d be using SDI anyways, which absolutely maintains the exact same signal over short or massively long lengths.
Video capture is literally my expertise. It’s what my whole job and career is based on. Your insults do nothing but reveal your own foolishness.
Don’t be a dick. This is not a good use of your time, you clearly need to do something better with your life
Can I go from HDMI to RCA with this device for recording on to my DVD-R Recorder .? Thank you
The issue I am having is when I plug my headphones into the aux jack I get bad feedback. How can I fix this?
Hello quick question, can I use this for my ps4 to pc ? I am new to this stuff not sure how it works and I haven’t got money for the expensive capture cards :(
Thanks for the review. I do not play games, i am looking for a card like this just to be used as webcam for live streeming using mty dslr that is all. Did you try it out? BTW if i may ask, what is the setting of your audio? I use premiere and Audacity. thanks in advance. P.S eventually i will a proper card for my PC, i just dont to blow $200+ yet
Neither of my laptops are picking it up other than “usb video” and not registering on OBS I should have just bought an ElGato but I read reviews stating this was BETTER than an ElGato.
I couldnt get mine to capture 1080p 60 ... it shows 1080p 60 on OBS but framerate still 30. Any sugestions?
New to the capture card game…would this be okay with PS3? I’ve seen that some work but others won’t. Just trying to find a cheaper option than the elgato.
The thing about 480i is that it looks like crap after posting that quality on RUclips with my Elgato HD. It looks fine on my computer, but the gameplay footage is a mess after it goes through RUclips processing.
RUclips uses a pretty crappy, fast de-interlacing algorithm in order to just spit the videos up as quick as possible. You're better off finding software like FFMPEG or even something like Adobe Premiere and de-interlacing yourself using whatever algorithm looks best to you.
So can u plug a usb stick with videos on it into this and then use the hdmi output from this and plug it into a projector to watch the videos with sound from this device.
I don’t get it mine spasms and randomly goes back to the color screen displaying that it can’t find the video. I DONT KNOW WHAT’S WRONG
Great video! Anyone know why I can't get it to work via OBS scene? I use an ASUS x13 laptop to stream ad want to share/swap a scene where its video/audio on a macbook. I can hear the audio through my headset but audience cannot. :/
Hi there - I need to find a port that allows me to read VLC video on USB support on my Sony bravia Screen .. can you help ?
Hello. Could you please answer me a question? I have the same card… I have the Nintendo Switch as source playing a game in 1080P in 60 FPS. It looks butter smooth on TV but on OBS even tough OBS tells me the source is in fact 60 FPS it’s not as smooth as the TV and the recording not as well. It looks more like 30FPs even though it says it’s in 60. What could this be? I tried every setting and even a different computer.
Can you do step by step tuturial to set up this capture card on 2 monitor ? like laptop and pc ?
Hola: que microprocesador usa.?. Es el MS2109...? Gracias
i literally have that same capture card and its ok
I like the way you explain, great content, thank you 🙏🏻 salam Indonesian
Thanks!
do you have the video for the square type 1080p at 60fps capture card ? I want to see if there is any fan
Mine is no longer being recognized on my computer, just straight up not working...
i know this was 2 years ago. but tell me where i can find a 30-40 used elgato. cheapest i’ve seen was 80 so far
Pre-pandemic prices were lovely
So, you say about Linux compatibility 'cause ElGato is not compatible with Linux?
Most gaming brand capture cards don't work or work well with Linux.
@@EposVox Oh, didn't know, always use OBS or plain ffmpeg so I don't tend to watch capture card videos. Good to know anyways, thanks!
i need some help. every time i try to record theres this clicking sound and it doesn’t record gameplay audio only the clicking noise
Im having this problem as well did you solve it?
Hi...I use same camera as you, SONY A6400. How you remove all displaying menu from the screen? When I using a capturecard, all menu displayed at my dony display will displayed also in the OBS. I really need your advices. Thanks a lot.
Can I use an external hdd that supports USB3.0 to store my gameplay?
How do I make it work,,, I set everything up and my OBS doesn't seem to want to share the video? I don't understand why
Do you recommend this capture card for Android? I just need 1080p at 60fps, does this card run at 60? I saw in other places they run realistically at 30.
30 only.
How do i get the PS5 gameplay audio being recieved on the capture card to actually go through to my USB headset??? 🤔
Awesome video! Just wondering, since I got it and seem to have this problem, did refresh rates greater than 60Hz work with the passthrough?
sorry to be that guy, but your video was awesome indeed, obv didn't make that part up :D
Ended up getting it to work by adding a 120hz profile using cru(to the capture card I think, but don't quote me on it). Didn't go for more since I figured 4k30=1080p120 so yeah.
Actually, I don't remember whether or not I could've gone for more but even if so, the image quality probably wouldn't have benefitted too much from it I suppose(again, don't quote me on it)...
Can't say anything about long-term side effects/whether or not it harmed the card/anything else since I ended up sending the card back since I didn't really end up needing it/wouldn't have ended up using it enough to justify the purchase(not my proudest moment, sending it back)
There's probably a better/more elegant/whatever way of doing it but yeah... Idk
I am needing 1080i rather than 1080p from the device you show at 1:42, but cannot find any software that supports interlaced video. Please can you help me in this respect?
So does the latency part mean that when I am playing a game, the response time from the button is delayed?
Is this capture card compatible with next gen consoles as well
It supports 4:4:4 so it is a good choice for use it with a retrotink 2x mini for nes capture? I’ve been having color issues with the can’t link
To tackle the heat for a few bucks on eBay you can buy a whole bag of raspberry pi heatsinks witch is what I'm going to be testing
Idk but the it cant record my audio im using streamlabs and obs and im selecting the right answer but it cant record the audio how do i fix it?
If i have hdr enabled will it be a black screen? or will it just look like crap?
The $60. capture you just showed lasted me 1 month and just died yesterday. Do not buy that crap for the love of god! I ignored the bad reviews and used it for the one month and it fried itself. I opened it up and one of the chips on it was melted.
That sucks, I bought one and plan to put RPi heatsinks on all the chips (another tuber did this). Hope that prevents any meltdowns.
I have used this capture card and it works ok but i have 2 MAJOR complaints, 1. When u use an elgato chatlink cable - When i press the options button and scroll threw options or menus in various games it makes a pop/crackling noise this i can only get rid of if i plug my headset directly into it 2. probably my biggest complaint is that when i record game play - the game audio becomes offsync from the actual video and this i do not know how to correct at all. My PC runs at low CPU usage at least for me around 16% and everything in OBS looks fine but when i watch my recorded footage the audio is messed up.....Any solutions on how to correct this??????
You can add a delay to the audio track to synch with the video 😉
I'm considering buying this capture card with your linK! but just one question, my needs are recording a camera 1080 60fps for zoom meetings this will do the job? and at 4k?
This will capture your 1080p60 camera at 1080p60 yes
I got one for $36 that’s supposed to do 1080p60 from my camera - so it’s the 4k that matters mostly?
I have questions what if you don't have pc and you want rec video capture card can you use it or do still use it with pc
I just got one, the output to the display is only showing a blank screen. I have a Idek Iiyama PL4071UH 40 inch display 4K,,, any ideas ?...
I have same one. It only Outputs
1920x1080
But It Has "4K" Stamped All Over It!
I’ve used avermedia products since 2013 in a 2nd desktop. All of cards I’ve used from them have the same fatal flaw for my streaming of mmorpgs - the inability to properly rend the red channel. Red text looks like a garbled mess on stream and in recordings and I have no idea if this is because the cards are or are not 4:4:4.
I’m looking for a usb solution now that will be plugged into a newer Alienware m17 with 3070 and want to avoid these text issues. What’s the top usb option today?
Is there any clearance in the case to add like.. a raspberry pi heatsink? They're pretty low clearance and I believe if they'd fit it may be a good solution for heat problems.
I recently bought mine and hdmi input and output works but it keeps on disconnecting, the lights would stay one and then they begin to flicker then they will disconnect me, is there a way I can fix it ?
When I stream you cant hear in game sound help. Using 2pc setup.
I have this. On obs it records great no lag no nothing. But once its in my computer videos its laggy and doesn’t look nothing how it did in obs. Can you help please. Or someone.
i have this same capture card but the device name keeps coming up as "USB video" and OBS just streams a black screen. all the video si have seen have the name as "USB3.0 HD VIDEO" is it possible that my PC is treating it as a camera? how can I fix this
So I have this, use it to stream from my Mac and stream switch games, works great, only one thing, I can’t get the audio correct. I can record sound from switch and my voice all good, but when I play fortnite or party games with in game voice I can not join voice chat. Any advice??
No blurry on live streaming if you stream games?
so i have c920 a snowball mic and and a half decent pc . but i play heavy console ... is this a cheap cop out for me streaming to FB ?
I got Leadnovo USB 3.0 4k HDMI Capture card and what I noticed right away is the screen taring when capturing at 1080p when my screen shaked ingame. I downscaled to 1600x1200 and it went away for that game. But in other games where I'm moving a lot like for example mariokart deluxe 8 the screen taring was back. I have 30 days to find a fix for this and my audio issue or im returning. Without the heatsinks I guarantee this capture card would stop working not even 3 months in considering even if I wanna play my switch is uses the cap card and pc unless i unplug everything from the cap card and plug it back up when I wanna stream. I 100% recommend to buy a good capture card not the $50 ones.
would this work to stream pc with only 1 pc?
Will this work for djs on twitch?
I use the same card for ps5 and in my videos i have a strange noise in backround..in don't now why!
I got mine for $10 USD in Aliexpress and works great!
Is the microphone port a line in audio ? I mean is it possible to use it with a chat link ?
Would this be compatible with a low end ASUS laptop
The USB port isn't even a 3.0, it's just a blue 2.0 port
So I have this capture card and it does not show on my laptop when I try to use it on StreamLabs to connect to my Nintendo switch. Does it not work for laptops (I have a intel(r) core(tm) i7-6500u cpu @ 2.50ghz)