This New Electric Car Has No Battery and Just Killed Tesla’s Future
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Where does any government get subsidy money? From you, the taxpayers! Which means we are paying out the wazoo for EVs.😢
@@jameswise8870 James, you've been below the poverty line for decades. You don't pay any taxes.
I saw this a few weeks ago. I wondered why the USA automakers didn't think about this. Then I remembered they are the big 3 and don't have to. My next vehicle, if I can ever afford one, will not be from the big 3.
@@labradoodle5097 Don't worry - your next vehicle will be a 1975 Corolla.
This sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. All those batteries need to be stored relatively close together. How expensive would that facility have to be to prevent a chain reaction fire of all the batteries? How long would it take before they all finished burning once ignited? How many extra batteries would you need to prevent supply shortages from the expected number of battery swap station fires?
Screw EVs. Who's with me?
People with low IQ
EV's can go screw themselves.
YES I WILL NOT COMPLY. JOIN THE RESISTANCE
They are good on the golf course.
Hybrids
Well it definitely has a battery
Actually, you buy the car without the battery. You rent the battery. This is a much more logical concept than the regular car/battery deal. Imagine pulling into a station and spending 10 minutes to swap batteries instead of 30 - 60 minutes to charge your car. The main downside would be getting enough stations.
Still has a battery, it has 2 as there’s a 12v too!
make the battery smaller just enough to run 300 miles. makes it lighter and less scary on explosions. Quicker (for Nio) to charge too.
@@DrPhillGoodeduhhh this has been done in china and us a success.
hot swappable batteries like hot swabbable hard drives
do you always believe this guy talking on the video. he is biased
you don’t think tesla is well aware of swappable battery. psst tesla is primed for swappable system.
look how many charging stations.. duhhhh
@@ashzoleCan a 3rd party swap Tesla batteries in 10 minutes?
Back in 2012, we rented a Toyota Camry hybrid. It kept up with highway traffic, did not need to be plugged in and got 43 mpg even while sitting in traffic jams.
Every time you stepped on the brake, the battery got recharged through regenerative braking. The four cylinder gas engine didn't start until you went over 40 mph which means that while driving around town you didn't use any gas.
Worst Tesla does 120 MPGe
My 21 Camry SE regularly gets 44-45 mpg highway.
I take it the 2021 Toyota Camry is a hybrid?
@@freetolook3727 nope, just the 8 speed with the new aerodynamics and vvti.
I have 2 diesel convertibles, Audi and BMW, the Audi averages 60MPG and the BMW 53MPG and both pull hard when you want them to
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@@JerryPhillips-go5eo I will give this a look, thanks a bunch for sharing.
They did battery swaps with the first electric cars way back in 1905 or so. It took about 10 to 15 minutes. But gas became cheaper that electric so the electric cars back then never caught on. 😃
Yup battery change
The average person doesn't even know that we been had electric vehicles. It wasn't that gas was cheaper it was all about control and monopoly of oil which is why we're here today. The elites didn't want electric vehicles b/c hey cant profit off of it like they can with oil.
That and BigOil made sure electric failed... just like JP Morgan torpedoing Tesla's wireless electricity towers.
In California they had an electric street car that stretched from the N to the S of Calif, Rockefeller bought the politicians , tore out the track and replaced them with diesel buses.
It was Rockefeller that stopped development of the original E cars with his political bullying.
I’ve always been a big fan of battery swapping I thought this was the way to go. And it’s even more attractive the fact that you don’t have to buy a battery. I think the ideal situation would be if you could design a battery pack standard, that fits any car maker
The cost implications of a standard module that could be competitively built is huge. Eliminate the requirements for proprietary packs. Imagine, what if emergency services could drop the battery and pull off the chassis during Rescue. Huge improvement.
The trend is flashlights is going the other direction, much more focused on adding USB-C charging ports for batteries sealed inside compared to using standard size batteries. For those flashlights that still have replaceable batteries, the types and sizes of batteries is proliferating.
Thats exactly why in the past week NIO has partnered with Changan and Geely ( Volvo/Polstar/Lotus) just to name a few. Companies are starting to line up to use NIO's swap network. China is pushing to standardize battery swapping.
Swap batteries concept was my provisional patent application in 1998. This is still, in my opinion, a superior power replacement concept. The big advantage besides time savings, is reducing power line dependence.
@@videoviewer2008 this could be easily overcome if the government funded a program creating a national standard battery pack.
The Battery swapping started in ISRAEL in 2007, by a company named Better Place. The car was $10K cheaper you didn't need to buy the battery. The Battery was swappable, took about 10 minutes to swap, and you didn't have to worry about battery life. The company went BANKRUPT and buyers were stuck with USELESS CARS, which were repossed!
Battery swapping is a potential solution for EV cars to strengthen their market presence and increase sales. However, it is prohibitively expensive and could bankrupt any company that attempts it. This is likely why Elon Musk hasn't pursued it. Consequently, EVs generally seem inferior to gas-powered cars. I admire Elon Musk and would like to support him by buying a Tesla, but I don't believe EVs have a bright future if someone doesn't come up with a solution. The charging times are too long. Even though I don't drive too much most of the time, when I do want to travel long distances, I can't because I would have to wait for an hour or two for the car to recharge on the way. And if I do use the super-fast charging option, it would degrade the battery life, requiring an expensive replacement too soon. I hope Musk can make EVs more appealing.
@@Marco_My_Words I agree
Nice work, they are able to prevent battery degredation this way. Also the newest battery technology can be applied this way.
i am sure the batteries are being charged and put back in another car. its not like throwing out those d's for another set.
I need gasoline, i cant do electric.
The entire car industry must be so burnt from being SHOCKED almost every other day(according to Scotty)
😂🤣
Sure China is more advanced than the US in EV technology. The US will be sailing behind and become a second country worried about its gender games and dealing with Karens and brute traffic police.
Lol… you read my mind
They still can't recover from being SHOCKED simultaneously by half a dozen manufacturers in a single day when they officially unveiled the water engine. I need a couple of days myself to recover after watching a few videos by Scotty.
Nio have been doing this for years. Not exactly new really.
Nio is getting new partners for battery swapping standard so far they have 2 with another 3-4 being anoounced soon possibly Mercedes and Porsche
Just like everything
Free for the every
Paid when the tax/profit when fully controlled by Gov/businese partnerships
Great Job Scotty. This was so informative thank you. Trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹.
That's crazy, you have internet over there?
Do you still race goats in T & T?
Renting the battery as a service is a great idea. Issues:
1. Cost.
2. Warranty, do they maintain them well?
3. What if you get a bad one?
4. Who is liable if you have a battery fire?
5. Who is liable if you damage one from road debris?
Lots of questions.
I used to drive an electric forklift at work and I found out quickly that older batteries that show a full charge on the charger only last about an hour. I hope someone is monitoring the health of these batteries because I’d hate to swap out a battery and have it die out after only an hour of driving down the road.
Modern battery management can track total power usage and predict performance. Especially with some modern machine learning and statistical data processing it should be reasonably
It WILL.. It's CHINESE..
lol@@amgineco
Nio carries out a health check on all swapped batteries, they also monitor the batteries in all Nio cars, (when charged, how many KW used, how many KM driven, any hard braking/acceleration, max speed and avg speed per journey etc…..) the batteries are refurbished (individual cell pack changed out, unserviceable batteries are recycled. Tech on modern EVs is far ahead of the old lead/acid technology used on fork lift trucks. Even during the swap out they check metrics, a guy in our Nio chat group got a call as he left a swap station asking him to go to a service shop as one retaining bolt had stripped threads.
@@steve251157 good to know😊 the forklift did use lead acid bateries
Will NEO come to north america it would definitely do well here in Canada greetings and thanks for the presentation happy new year 🎉🎉
I still remember 20 years ago GM introduced the "skateboard" concept. Where you would only purchase the bottom chassis, including the battery pack and wheels, of the vehicle, and then you can swap out the top portion which included the seat arrangements, the hood, head lights, outer design, everything else. Interesting idea, would've loved to see that concept again.
I hadnt come across that myself but it certainly sounds like a radical idea and something that could work. Will look it up.
Even had a choice of engines/motors, including turbine or fuel cell.
My dad retired there in January of 2000 never said anything to me about them even talking about it
@@ItsMe-ic7on It’s a big company with a lot of programs. But I’ve seen one in a local car museum.
Cars have been like that for a long time now, The underframe of a vehicle is the most difficult to design and build, this means the underframe is used across many models and just the passenger compartment changes. For instance the Golf and Audi A3, as well as maybe mid-sized Skoda / Seat will share the same underframe. A ford Focus and a Volvo V40 share the same underframe....
I love these mini documentary videos Scotty, thanks!! I wish they could agree on one or a couple standardized batteries for all cars to swap! Bigger cars or trucks could use 2 or 3 of the standard ones!!
I have always wondered why they did not have electric cars where they offer "quick swap" to compensate for the long charge times and all the other battery problems.
Logistics probably doesn't help, but this is nice to see someone is doing it.
They had a trial in California four years ago and I never called on.
The more you plug and unplug something, the sooner loose connections and fires will occur.
Tesla was given millions in Taxpayer money to "develop battery swap". Like the customer deposits on the Cybertruck and the 2nd generation Tesla Roadster, Elon Musk just booked all those millions as "revenue" pumped up the Stock (like it was Doge Coin or Hyperloop) and cashed out his matured Stock Options.
Why did you never call on?@@icosthop9998
@@Fokkerc1 Experience with your fleshlight?
I am waiting to buy a NIO or two whenever they are available in the USA. Why, I want to be part of that extraordinary user experience, amongst owning an amazing product full of technology and NO range anxiety. While most EVs depreciates, NIO EVs appreciates because of their battery swap model, of which is truly a REAL GAME CHANGER in the electric vehicle industry. GAMEOVER!!!
If we had battery swaps available at designated areas for road trips then that would be a win for me to buy an EV vehicle.
That's what I said from the very beginning. Only a few people will actually want to buy it because you either need to wait an unknown amount of time for your battery to charge or risk damaging your expensive battery with superfast charging adapters, which will still take a lot of time compared to just visiting a gas station and filling up your tank. So, the only viable option I might consider is if the battery is physically switched at a battery pack switching station, allowing you to leave in under five minutes.
And those battery pack switching stations also need to be around every corner - at least one every few miles. Otherwise, you will need to drive who knows how long of a distance and use a lot of energy just to charge your car.
Nicely researched, well done video. I think the ongoing innovation and troubleshooting of the whole EV business is a good thing.
Good idea if there are enough stations close enough to avoid breakdowns & also if there are enough batteries to keep up with the swaps!
@@zippydastrange Interesting point
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Question; Is there a way to clean it out as a replacement is around $5000.00 NZD
Please help if you can
They are making success because it is both chargable & swappable. You have many options.
You can subscribe for the battery with monthly fees and charge it or use swapping stations according to availability.
Or you can buy the batteries and also use chargers or swapping stations.
they are opening alot new swabbing station on weekly basis in china and Europe.
I think the battery swap idea is awesome and is the way to go. I'd buy the car that does battery swapping over one that doesn't swap.
Your comment is an important selling point. Madison Ave, take notice!😮
Buy some NIO stock, don't let their going out of business stop you. The stock is only $5.79, down from $7.
Maybe battery swiping will become as popular as catalytic converter theft.
@@robertkubrick3738 NIO also makes phone and semi-conductor chips , unlike to go out of business
@@coz2j69 No company with $5 stock price is likely to stay in business long term.
Battery swapping sounds like a great idea - IF - they have enough stations all around the country. But in whole, I'm still not sold on EV's in general.
Come to China or Norway. You might solidify your position.
Three things I don't like about battery swapping:
1) The potential of serious damage to your vehicle if some minimum wage employee botches the job.
2) You don't own the battery, meaning that you pay a subscription fee to use the vehicle that you supposedly payed for.
3) If the business that does the swapping decides to no longer support your vehicle or goes out of business, you now own a brick.
Even if Tesla disappeared today (slightly more likely than me winning the lottary because I son'don't waste my money on tickets) you could still charge your car at home or any outlet.
IMO, battery swapping is just one more way for the company that sold you the car to keep on proffiting from you as long as you drive.
@@surferdude4487 1) I think it's fully automated with the staff just pushing a button or two 2)in fact letting them maintain the battery is better, no? The operational parameters of the batteries would be presumably more optimal, especially as your EV gets older or more kms in it.
@@Jkl62200 I fully expect the newest generation of Tesla batteries to last about a million miles. In the mean-time, Neo owners will be paying a subxcription fee to use their own cars.
Any advantage you think you might gain by renting your battery is based on FUD that BEV batteries last only 10 k miles and have to be replaced at a cost of $23k. The fact is that unless you damage your battery, it will last longer than your car.
@surferdude4487 they can also be charged at stations and at home. How do you drive the EV out of the swap station without a battery? You didn't think that one through much. The damage potential, sure valid concern but it not regular cars are immune to damage. As for the subscription, I would hope it's an optional service with various plans for how often you can battery swap +charge for the new battery. Cheaper plans might only allow 15 swaps a month at say $20sub monthly $40 battey swap, higher plans offer more swaps at cheaper swap cost. But how ever they do the swaps, it better than we got now.
Gogoro has been doing it with scooters in Taiwan for many years. Now it is powering other brands also (Yamaha included) and has expanded a lot in Asia, including India and China.
Great job as usual, Scotty keep it up your are the single greatest advice to most people with automotive advice! 😊
Another huge question that he didn't discuss in this video but he does in others on EVs is environmental implications of battery manufacture and disposal after they reach end of life. Great video Scotty, you're one of the best contributors on YT!
Lithium batteries can be recycled so no problem.
NIO's battery swap system, intentionally monitors all of the batteries, conveniently removing batteries that need to be recycled. In that case NIO batteries are guaranteed to be recycled, unlike brands, whose batteries will remain static in those used cars. And it costs a lot of money to remove or change out non swappable batteries.
YT keeps removing my reply but quick search confirmed they are recyclable; however, at an extremely high cost and currently only 4% are being recycled
@@musicsavage707 Thanks,
It appears obvious that battery swap stations make recycling EV batteries cost less than any other EVs, because the battery is easily monitored and removed.
Also, China will soon implement battery inspection requirements for older EVs, requiring the removal of batteries that don't pass. I would not want to be a person who has to have a battery replaced without battery swap. A NIO owner can avoid severe inspection woes, by merely swapping out that bad battery in 3 minutes.
This video is about battery swapping even though you want a discussion about carbon emissions and battery making/disposal.
In 1983, I learned Taylor-Dunn, a maker of electric utility vehicles for over 70 years, had implemented battery swapping in some of its models so they could be used around the clock. I have often thought this might be a possible solution for the EV auto market. Great job of presenting the pros and current cons of this approach.
To best of my knowledge, Taylor-Dunn EVs use lead acid batteries and not 1000’s of Li small batteries ie 1000’s of dangerous weak links “soldered” together.
Do they explode as well?
Buy some NIO stock then. it's $5.79 because they are going out of business.
I would not be happy to buy a new EV and then swap the battery for a much older one of unknown history.......
@@johnfranchina84 Average EV battery has about 7000 small cells, that means 14,000 electrical connections - what could possibly go wrong ?
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🔥 video. Great details, visuals. Keep it up brother.
In the past week 2 of the biggest Chinese car manufactures have partnered with NIO for use of their swapping tech going forward. Some of these brands are Geely/Volvo/Polstar/Lotus and many more. NIO is in talks with 2-3 more companies right now. Swapping along with super charging together is the future. Swapping is just another option and the benefits go way beyond just replenishing the pack. Every NIO owner will have the ability to get the latest battery technology in their 5/7/10 year old car with a 2-3 minute battery swap. If you want an upgraded battery with ANY other brand you will have to purchase a new car. China is standardizing battery swapping and NIO has the tech to do it. If I had the choice to purchase a car that can only charge or one that can charge and or swap, its a no brainer. NIO will be a global monster company. Thanks for the video!
NIO will have trouble selling in the US. Since US and China relations are going sour and China will basically subsidize/dump those cars in the US market.
Is that why NIO stock price has DROPPED from $7 to $5.79 USD? Because they got help?
Solves many problems.
The biggest is resale .
"If you want an upgraded battery with ANY other brand you will have to purchase a new car."
not true: I upgraded from a 85 kWh battery to a 90 kWh battery and did not have to buy a new car
@@pcdeflopes haha ok but what did you pay? And did it happen in 3 minutes? And can you do it again in 5 years at no cost other than a monthly subscription fee??
That's like, swapping your tool batteries for a fully charged one. That's a better idea then having to wait at charging stations. It would take some time to have enough battery-swap stations all around the U.S. like, gas stations, to make it practical
Nio has partnerships with Shell, BP, and the world's second largest gas station network through Sinopec.
I feel like there's too many things that can go wrong with this scenario. You're trusting this battery swap robot to perfectly unscrew and screw a battery that weighs hundred/thousands of lbs perfectly to your chassis every time? I would rather just wait until battery technology improves so that you can charge 200 miles of range inside 10 minutes (this technology already exists, just not mass produced as of yet). Tesla is installing 1 supercharger every 24 hours. Eventually the charging infrastructure will be as widespread as gas stations and this won't even be an issue
I heard about this a few years ago. Nice to know the idea works and it's still going.
Battery swap is genius. India has been doing this also. But I would recommend swap stations have at least one employee/attendant on site in case something not working correctly. Swap stations could also be paired with small convenience store within so clients could get drinks/coffee snacs etc.
I heard there was a startup company doing EVs that are powered by banks of AA batteries. Special circuitry monitors charge and if one cell goes dead, it tells you which one, and you would just need to pull into a 7-11 and grab a pack of AA batteries, pull the correct bank, and replace the bad cell.
This swapping system is an excellent way to go specially in crowded cities like London, you did forget to say that NIO just entered in partnerships with big players Geely, Changan Auto and more to come
Not really. Unless there's a battery swap station around every corner, the delay driving across the city to the swapping station would FAR exceed a rapid charge. Anyone who has driven across London knows just how long it takes to go a couple of miles.
How will they find the room for battery swapping stations? You will need a lot of batteries at these swapping stations
@@marvenlunn6086 Actually you might not need a lot of batteries per swap station. The swap stations recharge the batteries that have been removed from cars. With DC fast charging modern EVs can charge up to 80 percent in 30 minutes and full charge in an hour. If we allow each battery 60 minutes to get to full capacity and each battery swap takes 5 minutes then a battery swap station only needs 12 batteries to provide continuous service.
@tommy_egan who could afford to run a battery swap station that could only swap 12 a hour except in a rural community , think about gas stations and how many cars can fuel up at the same time equipment needed to swap batteries in multiple cars would take up a lot of room also fast charging is harder on the batteries so you don't really want to do it unless you really need to
@@djtaylorutube you can charge it as any other car .... but you have option of swap... and you will never have a battery that is less and less capble over the years... win win
Nio, will be the best company on EVs. Thanks for the video Scotty!
NIO is going out of business, stock price fell from $7 to $5.79 in a couple weeks.
What's stopping the swap station from giving you a bad battery or giving you back another depleted battery? It sounds good on paper or in concept, but how well will it play out in practice?
Thanks, Scotty, interesting and nuts all at the same time. Is the Neon car any good?
Thanks Scotty , great idea, but leaves a lot of questions. Obviously cost is a major concern for economic feasibility; battery design would have to be standardized but may not be compatible with cooling systems of different EVs which presently limits battery swaps to s single manufacturer, and there is the big problem of electricity availability, etc.
Cost wouldn’t be a concern if batteries were standardized. In fact, that would lower the cost of EV’s dramatically because cars wouldn’t come with a battery. Instead, the car would come with a Leased battery.
Every time you go to swap your battery, you’re paying for the power used and the temporary rental cost of the battery. Once batteries themselves are a source of revenue, a whole other battery servicing industry will be born which will create jobs. The only thing stopping batteries from being standardized the same way Petrol is, is greed.
Thanks, I appreciate your well-done video. I'd welcome information regarding Nio's soon coming Alps brand scheduled to come out in '24. I think the Alps EVs having swappable capability along with an inexpensive price tag could seriously give Tesla a run for their money. I'd be interested in your take on that.
I was just thinking of this idea a few months ago not knowing someone else was already on top of it 😂
oh..great idea! but when can we get technology for swap cellphone battery
Nice video, Scotty. As someone who owns an electric car - but not a garage - I have always liked the battery swap idea, and I'm pretty sure the technological challenges could be overcome if companies got together with a standard. Hope Nio makes it (to profitability). Maybe they can license out their swap tech with other mfgs. (ala NACS)
They just signed in Nov 2023 Changan Automobile ,Geely Group Automobile and NIO signed the partnership agreement on battery swapping
@@NIOFAN001 The infrastructure is too expensive.
@@mrgurulittle7000 65,000 swaps a day for now.... do the mate 30-50 yuan/swap + electricity cost
I agree. Standards have to be agreed upon, liability issues resolved.
You don't throw away power tools cause the one battery it came with doesn't charge anymore.... Why they thought cars should work that way is beyond me.
Because if anyone buys into it then they get to possibly sell you another car....that's pretty much it more profit less problem-solving for them
Not exactly a comparative statement. You can get new batteries for your EV if the battery goes bad (or even have bad cells replaced), so no, your EV is not junk because the battery died. On the other hand say your tool battery dies but the tool is fine. You toss the battery and go get a new battery only to find out a new battery is same as a new tool and battery combo pack, or even just slightly cheaper $10-$20 less. Would you still just buy the battery and take it home to your used and quite possibly abused tool that might break anyway in a few months? Or opt to get the new warrantied tool and battery combo for the same price or just a few dollars more? Of course like with anything, products are always being redesigned and changed so there's no guarantee that new battery will work with your old tool and charger, meaning your have to upgrade and replace anyway. Or even better. The old battery design is still available but again the costs is on par with the newer designed battery\tool combo? It's called planned obsolescence, and every manufacturer does it from EVs to tools.
Comparing tool batteries to car batteries is not a good analogy. Car batteries are designed to last decades. CATL now offers a 15 year warranty or one million miles. Swapping is only necessary for fast charging not longevity.
The 4680 is made in Reno. It is 20% better not what you claimed.
A lot of people seem to not understand the cars can still be home charged as well as charging stations, the battery swap is in addition to other options. You only have one main option for diesel/petrol/Gas and that is a station pump. These swap stations will mainly be used by taxis, delivery service providers and the occasional road trip. Ones in cities i would hope have more swap bays and packs to deal with ppl with no home charger capabilities.
Great video! Especially the look at the finances - 05:47 - I remember looking at NIO stock last May (2023) when it was around $8, and thinking about getting into it, then seeing it ride up to $15+ in August and kicking myself for not getting in. But it's sunk 60% since then to around $5 -
At my old job this is what we did with the forklifts. Slide out the battery and charge it and slide in a charger battery and keep on working.
Great video! In my opinion battery swap will also die without a standard system for all EV cars.
I live in China and I have seen these Neo battery swap stations in my city for the past 4 years and there was always someone coming in to swap a battery. There are charging stations in every carpark for normal Ev's but its slower. Nice idea to swap the battery and get the drivers back on the road quick. Sure is an interesting potential solution. Neo compare to BYD is small.
The ideal situation would be to charge at any gas station almost like filling up with fas but instead is electricity. Now my Q is ,what is the lifespan of a Neo battery( swapping ones) and potential environment impact when discarded?
Scientists have figured how anti matter works to make flying saucers whizz so fast, cars will be next Scotty! Excellent video!
I've had a Tesla Y for 5 months and been to a supercharger once for 10 minutes (bathroom break and got a coke). All the rest of the time I park in the garage and plug it in. No need to stop anywhere else or get gasoline odors on my hands or clothes. I love it.
- you are very fortunate to be amongst the demographic whose commute involves short trips (less than a full battery per round trip) and access to home charging. - For persons like you, a swappable battery appears unnecessary - unless there arose a problem, whereby your battery may be out of warranty, developing a fault (bad cell, or loss of range), then being able to swap it out for a rapid replacement - and have the old battery discarded - the constituents recycled - or reconditioned for future use. If the swap function were never used, having access to the potential "upgrade service" would not have to increase your dailystress levels at all (it could well be developed as a user chooses, user pays system - with insurance option).
@@kadmow NIO going out of business because it was a bad idea. You can buy NIO stock for $5.79.
100% agree. Why pay a monthly fee and swap when you can charge at home. Makes sense when you live in a densely populated area without garages like China.
NIO and battery swap was the initial reason I invested and has been a continuous slide. Baas sounded brilliant and as chemistry of batteries change upgrades in range can happen to your car. I really cant figure out why this is not a great advantage for the company. Packs are getting cheaper since Lithium has dropped in price about 75% in a year.
Germany is also installing this infrastructure. 4 operational stations are already up and working
great first start in quick info about nio. I have done hundreds of hours of research on nio great job but the hundreds of small fact points on this company is mind blowing keep up the great work!
If I could get the car cheaper without a battery and do battery swapping for a reasonable price, I might consider an EV. I think hybrids make more sense though.
I agree with you on that. EV's are still in their infancy. They are not where they should be. They need to solve the battery issue. They should be pushing hybrids more.
Tammy you don't have money for an EV
Renault in Europe used to offer the quick battery swap in its ev vehicles more than 10 yrs ago. It somehow did not catch...
What is the capital cost of a swap stations. How many bateried needed and how fast can batteries be recharged.
I think battery swapping definitely has a future. The common way should be home charging but for the handful of times you need to do long range then you swap for a larger capacity as a lease, when you're done you change back to your original battery.
Future? HAHAHAHA. They'll go bankrupt before it'll really take off. Faster battery charging and longer lasting battery is the future.
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The future for NIO is bankruptcy and the future is NOW!. NIO stock price has fallen from $7 to $5.79 in a couple weeks. Buy all their stock you want.
@@r.l.8170 true, we're seeing the bubble burst and big players will fall like in every industrial revolution. If the majority of the cost for an EV is in the battery it makes sense to lower the barrier of entry with smaller batteries that can be upgraded when needed. Waiting for solid state, flow battery, plasma cell is pie in the sky. Battery swapping is something we can do with technology today.
@@polla2256 Battery swap will work for some, but not for everyone. Tesla super charger will become the standard in the US and with some people who would rather charge their car while at sleep or home is another convenience. I have solar, so my savings increases when I charge at home. I don't use super chargers unless I'm making a long road trip and I do need restroom breaks and such, so them super chargers will work for me.
Thank you as always Scotty for another smashing video. BAAS is a game changer but needs a global collaborative effort on the same. Some day we will see it happen for sure!
You Can Dig And Build underground Of the Charging Station For More Space to Stock And charge More Batteries Per Swap Station opposed To Just An Above Ground Building🤔
My hybrid gets 65.5 mpg... It has a range of over 500 miles. It works particularly well in stop; and go, local driving. Battery swap would require a swap whenever the power remaining would allow reaching the next swap station. Thus, there would have to be some power left in the battery being swapped and the "new" battery would have to be fully charged. How would the value of the remaining power be determined and credited to the "swapper".? Currently, a battery wears out. Would you always get a brand-new battery with each swap? If not, how would the value of the replacement be determined?
Worst Tesla does 120MPGe
Vehicle battery exchange kind of reminds me of buying a printer. You pay 49 dollars for the printer and they charge you 39 dollars for the ink cartridges. Bunch of people bought EV's under guise of free battery swap, and now they are forced to pay for the battery swap at the mercy of their vehicle manufacturer. Guessing it requires a battery only made by THAT EV company so they will have you over a barrel. Kind of like buying a car and the only place able to service or fix it, is the car dealer...
Buy their car....that got you by the short hairs. You're hooked.
Did you mean "they got you"? @@northdakotaham1752
The alternative is pay for a battery upfront which is like $15k. And if you battery has issues it will cost another $15k to fix.
Seen how the printing industry is doing now that everyone car print their own cheap?
@@daniel_trangthe alternative is gas, EVs are dogshit
I have a few concerns: (1) How do you know the age & condition of the battery that you are being swapt to? If I just bought a brand new car with a brand new battery, I am reluctant to swapt. (2) As battery technology continues to improve and evolve, swapping will create issues unless the batteries stay the same and never deteriate and you know that's not going to happen.
id imagine it would be a subscription.
I would imagine that new cars would have recycled batteries rather than new ones, since they are meant to be swapped out. And I would imagine batteries that were in bad condition would be taken out of circulation to be refurbished. I think that would lower the price of the new cars since they don't specifically have to make a new battery for each car, and I think that would help with the depreciation since there would be no giant cost to replace an old battery in an EV that isn't meant to swap batteries. I am not an EV guy myself, but as far as their business model I think that would make the most sense.
The car doesn’t come with batteries. Just like when you buy a new car it doesn’t come with gas.
1) The batteries are checked once they got swapped to ensure they are in good condition, and the ones that do not meet the standard will be replaced. So all the batteries are new or nearly new. What's better is that you can purchase a small battery for commute and rent a large battery if you want to do long travel, which is very economical. I think it's just a mental thing that may make you reluctant to swap. 2) Super charge will be really difficult even if the battery technology evolves. You have to consider about the pressure to the whole electric system in the cities instead of just the battery. Multiple super charge at the same time would just kill the electric system.
This is the development I’ve been waiting for! The second a swappable batt vehicle is available in the US, I’ll buy 2. Always thought that how they should have been from the get go.
i though of this idea for semi trucks. i think it’s a step in the right direction, to address the major issue plaguing EV’s.
people who say they flat-out don’t like them have probably gotten passed by one on the highway.
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A few questions:
How close by are battery swap centers and how much will you be charged to swap your battery out?
Can you charge your battery at home using your own electricity?
It can be plug 🔌 in like other EV at home or the charging station as well
How much is the cost for swapping the battery? For the Nio owner in Europe is free with the subscription fee program called BAAS which similar to the ink replacement subscription of HP printer 🖨️
With NIO you can charge as all EV or you can swap, you can upgrade to new chemistry high dencity batteries or go for cheap option, it help those who live in condos and have not the confort to charge at home, the downside is standardization, car industry must standerize battery size
Even now that NIO is going out of business? NIO stock fell from $7 to $5.79.
Not a new idea, but improving with technology. 50 years ago when I worked at a dockyard in Sydney they had small battery powered trucks, used by day and charged overnight. I had recently inspected the production of the Mini Moke which was also used in the dockyard. Then I read about electric cars in the early 20th Century. That gave me an idea and I wrote to the daily newspaper suggesting a battery swap facility at some local service stations for suitably fitted vehicles..
2 things- 1st is battery packs would have to be universal with every auto manufacturer. 2nd would be an automated system that can have the ability to adjust to different models of vehicles.
Japan was testing this type of vehicle and infrastructure when I was stationed there back in 2004. I think this is really how America gets EV to go mainstream. It would require to retool our current gas stations to be battery swap stations. No more long waits for charging. It would be similar to filling up your car with gas now. It eliminates range anxiety and whole host of concerns when deciding to buy an EV. Id still opt for a gas vehicle but this way is better than the current solution.
Average home in the US uses 26kw per day, to charge the average EV car battery once on a fast charge requires on average 300kw. First thing that HAS TO BE DONE is upgrading the electrical infrastructure and power supply. From some estimates I have heard to accomplish this would be in the range of 400TRILLION.
whats even better is to just stick with gas stations because it's still way easier than all these other new ideas for powering vehicles
@@vikingnj6731 yea, basically every city will need a new nuclear reactor, otherwise it will just mean even more 'burning of fossil fuels' which is supposedly 'bad' and why they are creating all these stupid things in the first place
Easily, overcome, prefab EV stations you just drop them in place and hook up electric to them
@@vikingnj6731 - this is another reason why the governments of the world are very happy to encourage the citizens to take responsibility for their own power needs, and install home solar (it alleviates some of that $400T - Global price tag 3B x $5k is 1$5T, that isn't nothing - noting that if 3B households did this it would basically shore-up energy supply globally.).- with an EV in the garage one may take care of their own commuting needs (for 5 day a week workers, a 30kWh home battery will go a significant way to buffering the charge for when the car arrives back home in the evening - ready to slowly decant over the evening and be ready for another run in the morning (or whenever needed).
Battery being a important component if swapped cannot be claimed under long term warranty.
Also if I own my car and battery then its longevity and range varies greatly on my personal driving, skills etc
if you have a problem with your battery you just go and swop it...30 mins max including the drive....no one asks you a question....what is the hard part to understand ?
Interesting concept. Thanks for sharing
Sure there are practical, logistical considerations and probably a few of these are tricky issues to get around. But these are solvable. Imagine the same for transporting and storing large quantities of volatile, highly flammable petrol by road at hundreds of stations, so if demand rises, all issues around battery swaps can be solved.
Nio's stock down by almost half over the last year. And they've been doing this for a few years. Might be a good idea, but doesn't look to be the wave of the future.
(Another benefit: most of the battery charging could occur at night or when electricity is cheaper and more available -- this would require less of a national power grid expansion than the plug in model).
- OR charge in the daytime, when there is a surplus of Solar and wind on the grid and prices go negative.... (either/ or, arbitrage is a key business aspect).
Battery swap seems like the best EV idea so far. And it really really sucks...
Battery swapping originally started in israel , and the startup went bust a couple a years ago ,two entrepreneurs started the same in california
suggest that you check a company named : Better-Place ( established at 2007 ) - they promoted the battery swap concept - they start to ship 2012....
Scotty is really in love with firetrap EVs...
Because gas cars never catch on fire!
He can’t help it, it’s a suicide pack.
I like NIO's business model. One of the biggest issue's with EV's is battery integrity and by having it swapped (hopefully each battery was inspected and tested) it really negates a slew of issues.
Whenever I can, I buy consumer electronics that take standard batteries. Things you have to recharge, unless the batteries are tiny, makes zero sense to me. Lemme put my own AAA'a in and swap them out as needed, for way, way cheaper. Way better environmentally too.
Scotty, this battery swap design is the original design connected to EV cars, but it was dropped and never adopted. I always wondered why? Think about it, you would never have to worry about battery degradation and the death of your car because the battery died. So what happened??I would love to see a small battery pack that can be added and secured to a roof rack to provide extra range on long trips. These could be made to drain their power supply first so when your car is close to your destination you can stop at Stuckeys or any gas and giddy up and drop off the accessory battery pack (ABP) and drive on.
Imagine how screwed you are when there is a storm and you have to evacuate, but theres no power for miles in some states. If you've ever evacuated during a storm and seen how wild the gas stations are, then it will be just the same if not worse this way
If there is no electric power, how to you operate the gas pumps then?
Or even swipe your debit or credit card?
If there's a storm the swap stations would back feed the grid and keep things powered....
LOL you didn’t think this through
@@thomasnyborg6233 In some regions, such as Florida, fuel stations are required to have backup generators. I'm not sure how many stations in the U.S. but it's definitely increasing. 90% of California fuel pumps now have generators.
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Good information. Thanks!
Every time that I look at ev ownership I’m convinced it’s not for me. So many problems. So expensive. Such a waste.
This is the best solution. The problem is all those car manufacturers that are against that. Nio really is great. That is the only way I would ever buy an EV!
Battery swapping makes more sense in the long run, especially if it becomes something the end user is capable of doing like traditional car batteries in ICE vehicles. I know standardisation is a taboo for automakers but if the battery were to become standardised it would go a long way in relieving some of the issues with swapping. The only other long off silver bullet is once atomic cells are actually built that are both road-safe and effective. A twenty or even ten year battery that doesn't need recharging/maintenance or swapping would be ideal towards the venture of replacing ICE vehicles. For the majority of people who still only drive a vehicle for four to six years before replacing it, that would be the best. But back in reality, swapping rather than charging sounds like the better way to go or even have cars equipped to do both.
Why not use a generator instead of batteries
@@jacklouie8096 Because a generator uses gas. It defeats the purpose of buying an EV. Might as well buy an ICE car. It's already been done and it called a hybrid.
It can work in China because it's still being developed and has cheap labor. The problem with the US and much of Europe is the infrastructure is pre-existing and already antiquated unable to catch up to the electric revolution. If they are going to rebuild a new infrastructure, they might as well do wireless electric roadways and battery-free cars.
Now you're talking. I read though most of this long list of comments, and none approached the possibility of wireless electric roadways, which by the way are already being tested. Government controlled pricing (that includes all of us voters) to keep pricing reasonable. You see the Chinese government commitment to make huge projects doable.
@@roberthollis4143 I know, and the whole solution to the EV problem is to remove the battery. Not just safety and distance but cost. You need new electric infrastructure to support the energy draw estimated at a +30% net increase, so you might as well include it in the roadways. Could also work on EMP shielding the new energy infrastructures so it's built to hold up to EMP or Carrington events. You'd have to start in cities and branch out over 20 years but that's how infrastructure replacement goes.
I would tie travel and energy together also and incentivize the auto industry through payments of infrastructure/energy use back to them, so the system is incentivized to get people to travel, not stay home.
Man this was what me and my dad was talking about long ago. We were saying that we' only possibly get an ev only if they did battery swaps no charging cause that just takes too long to charge.
I had this idea awhile back. Good call.
Scotty although I like the idea of buying a electric car the one thing that troubles me is the fact that some of them just burst into flames, how in the hell can this go unsolved, have you any input on this subject?
Nios battery swap stations check each batteries condition when swapped out before recharging if it finds a problem cell it will remove it for repair. China will require batteries tombe checked yearly soon. Battery swap does that for free now
Nice try but thermal runaway is still the issue.
Very few burst into flames, way more gas cars does - it just doesn't get much attention
@@russellsmith8444 Thermal runaway is potentially problematic on cars that have batteries made with NMC lithium ion batteries. The new technology is LiFePO4 (Lithium Iron Phosphate) or LFP batteries that do not burst into flames like the NMC (Nickel Manganese Cobalt) lithium batteries. Many car makers including Tesla are using LFP or are in the process of using LFP batteries due to it's inherent safety. Another advantage of LFP batteries is that it can be charged 3X-6X more than NMC lithium batteries and that means that you potentially won't have to change the battery during the entire lifespan of the car. The cost of LFP batteries is less due to the use of less expensive elements i.e. iron and phosphorus instead of manganese and cobalt. There are also environmental advantages to using LFP batteries.
Brilliant idea on how to do EV's. Battery service should be included with the car so drivers can understand cost to operate and be on the road in a jiffy. Battery swap servicing also allows an EV to be driven it's full lifespan instead of being scrapped over unaffordable battery replacement.
Except NIO is going out of business. Stock price $5.79 and falling.
@@robertkubrick3738 I never heard of that Chinese EV company. Does it make batteries or something for international Western markets such as the US?
@@TUBESPECIFIC1 Did you watch the video? NIO was the absolute best at battery swapping. The cars were $60k+, plus the battery subscription. Plus they are going out of business even after the billions dumped down the garbage disposal. It was a smart move to sell them in a cool country like Norway because you can't build a robust cooling system for the battery into the pack for lack of room and connecting it to a cooling system in a vehicle at every swap would be a nightmare.
@@robertkubrick3738 Norway and other European countries are really cool countries indeed. OK, we don't have battery subscription yet in America. I know a guy who has a 6 year old Tesla Model X which has a dying battery. While the car still runs great, he has to somehow pay around $13,000 to keep it going. OK, the AC compressor in a Tesla also cools the battery and then there's battery warming for Winter. While not designed to swap out, they could be designed to conveniently swap out. Maybe in the future EV's will be smarter? And maybe I too will become smarter about how they work? Maybe America will become smarter too when it comes to the economics side of things preventing many of us from thriving well? I hope on all those.
@@TUBESPECIFIC1 Actually, people are getting to know BEV and I don't think they will be a problem as soon as the government Grants and Subsidies stop flowing. BEV will just crawl off and hide in the corner in the US and it looks like the EU may not have time or the will to continue pushing them. My cousin James has had a model S for 10 years, hardly driven and back to tesla at least twice a year for problems. I made the mistake of loaning him a decent Volvo S60 and I had hell getting him to give it back, he was still driving it two weeks after he got the S back. I finally told him to buy it at book value or give it back and he reluctantly gave it back. The next time his S needed to go back to tesla he asked to borrow it again and I said no.
Very high quality video, thank you for your effort I enjoyed watching it
If nio loses money there is no point. Maybe a different company to not only offer charging stations. But to be able to remove the battery when it wears out. And either repair or replace it.
Great video but still think the hybrid is the way to go. Self charging cars that never need plugged in. :)
You could use an ESL class.
Problem with battery swapping stations is that they have to charge all those dead batteries as fast as they could load the full ones. I’d say Toyota solid state is still the only solution for EV that’ll get me interested.
By the way Scotty, good video. I enjoyed it:
Their solution will be to have an overstock of full batteries always in supply. This way there will never be a customer waiting for a charge.
On a separate note tho. The roads should be rebuilt, so that they have the ability to charge batteries while people are driving. Much like the wireless tech used to recharge an iPhone. They could use solar power with battery banks on the roadsides.
@@sweetbread9008But that technology isn’t efficient. You lose like 40% of electricity with wireless charging.
@@JO-og5tpI see. Still, this requires a dedicated battery swapping station which is too much more expensive than a charging station.
@@mrgurulittle7000 so They are all idots and you are the smart one in the room. > Changan Automobile ,Geely Group Automobile and NIO signed the partnership agreement on battery swapping in Nov 2023
Great way to go. What is the catch Scott?
this sounds like a great idea, but will it be practical when you have tens of millions of cars needing swaps? the stations will have to have a huge amount of storage space. i'm assuming the stations also recharge the batteries too.
That will work great up here in Minnesota after trying to swap out your battery with caked-on ice and salt 😂
...and the incels trying to bugger you while you're working on the swap.
and at -15 below zero you will need to swap every 125 miles, oh that will work fine.