Fantastic. Really enjoyed this one, love the honest disclaimers about reading the manual, and the time required to dial it in. This kind of realism is missing in 99% of videos. Thanks.
I've noticed that just using a dual-handgrip improves one's steadiness, but I still need to stabilize in post thereby losing some FOV. I have the Scotty handle for the dual handle which integrates the zhiyun large bluetooth remote control and it works well. I wonder if the remote can be integrated into this Glider Pro 3....
Hi Mike, yes, we've just arrived back from our holiday this afternoon. We have a version of your handle that fits the Glider Pro 3 range. Just follow Curtis's link above to find them.
Another great find, Chris. I have the Ronin S and I've always wanted a dual handle accessory for monitors and mics. I've been waiting for DJI to come up with something on their own. But, this looks like a great solution. Thanks for sharing this.
solid review, it's clear you're very tall which definitely affects the performance as well. someone who is under 6 foot walking a little more gimbal-conscious would probably get much better footage. i'm sold as hell on this thing, thank you for the insight!
there is still bouncing with this rig. even in your walking and holding it in your studio it just seems prone to bouncing and i can see the camera going up and down. plus the extra weight? isnt that why we got away from the handle bar type of gimbals? you couldnt give me this thing. thanks for the review though as i learned something.
Would it be possible to mount a readyrig from the 1/4-20 in the handles? Or is it not a good idea to support the weight of the camera from the handles for stability?
Yes, those brass inserts in the tops of the handles are especially reinforced to be used as attachment points for a Readyrig or similar load support system. As for Easyrig's with the one support line they can still work if the line is split into two.
HD 59.94 fps. I did that primarily to make it easier to see the difference between the Glider Pro 3 and without. The high frame rate works well for action shots.
@@charlieross-BRM No episode on that, but that's a good idea! They have their place, of course, but back in 2016-2018 they were very popular and I found that for my work, I just didn't use them very much.
I was all ready to dismiss this compared to the cheaper import versions of this, but this is actually really nice looking. Tough, robust, and he has a lot of interesting accessories on his page. Well done!
It seems a majority of this device is 3D printed. My question is, and this may just be my lack of knowledge about 3D printing, are there are there any concerns about the plastic wearing down in the joint areas or places where the metal parts contact the plastic like screws or where the springs attach? Obviously things move around a lot on a gimbal as it compensates for movement so I'd love to know if this would be a concern. The other area I'm curious about is where you tighten a screw on the clamp that goes around your existing gimbal. If I remove this device repeatedly is there any concern about the screw hole getting worn or is there something like a metal shroud where the screw goes in like on the 1/4" mounting points on the top of the handles?
Hi Bertram Photography, All great questions, Scotty should be back from holiday in the next few days so hopefully he can shed some light in regards to construction and materials.
Hi Bertram, this Pro 3 model is built with the Pro in mind and especially the type of use/abuse that comes from day to day work. We even ran my car over a handle to show how strong they are. There's no plastic wearing as all the moving surfaces are between the 18 high quality steel bearings and the stainless steel fittings. They will last for decades before wearing out. The springs attach to bolts and a bearing. The bolted side is mounted in a spring adjuster that is made out of carbon fibre and high strength nylon that is so over-engineered that it exceeded our 300kg (700pound) measuring scale and we couldn't break it past that point. I would not be surprised if it could take a tonne. The gimbal mount (clamps) uses brass threaded inserts and we have never had a single failure since we started production. We make these mounts very strong.
It looks like a car suspension which reminds me of double wishbone.Il probably just wait for a motorized version of this, or until zhiyun /dji can invent a 5-axis stabiizer. But then, there’s ibis+lens oss+gimbal and post edit stabilization. How smooth or robotic do we want it to be
It's a good point Ben but the reason a motorised version hasn't been made yet is that it's a complex and likely expensive problem to solve and the mechanical versions like ours do a good job already.
This one is much better and 3 times the price. But with the bigger pricetag, you get separate controls for damping and payload, a much better damping cartridge, stainless steel bearings, better overall build quality, quick release arms to quickly get to inverted mode and a few other features. It's all a tradeoff. You can probably tell that I like this one quite a bit more 😀
@@curtisjudd Thanks. I saw you other video just now and decided to buy the cheaper alternative. I used your link to help the channel. Hope 2019 brings you 200k subs!!!
Hi @@FamilyofTech , we also have a 'wallet friendly' range called the AirFlo which is the best value for money range of stabilizers on the market. They're also strong and lightweight and when packed down they're a quarter the size of our original design which yours is based on. Just follow Curtis's link above and hit the home page to find them.
I got a cheaper version of these 4th Axis Stabilizer from china a year ago. It would be cool if you can make a episode comparing these two to see if there are any cheaper options.
There are definitely cheaper options such as this: ruclips.net/video/LEMC6xHrnOs/видео.html The differences in my testing are cheaper materials, less ability to fine-tune the damping, and inability to quick release and invert the handles.
Hi Titanium Waffle, yes, we will be working on the Moza Air 2 mount this week so expect it to be available very soon. If you'd like to place and order now then choose the Ronin-S mount and add a note in your shopping cart with "Moza Air 2" and we'll send it when it's ready.
@@ScottyMakesStuff it still might be a while till I order cuz I am going back to school here in Canada so my budgetary constraints will be high but I will be geting this for sure at some point. great to now your here to support your potential customers and there needs
@@titaniumwaffle4304 It's my pleasure! We'll be here when you're ready. We just finishing up the Moza Air 2 mount and once we get some stills it will be available online later tonight!
The Glider is comparatively light. It detaches from the gimbal and packs down into a compact size. We also have another stabiliser system that's half the weight and packed size called the AirFlo.
Agreed on the weight. Also, it breaks down to a smaller size than the less expensive imitation stabilizers which are generally one big unit that cannot be broken down.
Hi RustyTube, in this case, yes! There is a bicycle mount. A walker is particularly tricky because of the way it moves, but the bicycle mount should allow you to attach this.
@@curtisjudd So, finally, something that may work for me! Modern walkers have four wheels and move fairly smoothly, at least on paved surfaces. We no longer have to lift them before each step, we just push them.
@@oneeyedphotographer I am talking about the device that helps us old and disabled people to walk. It is a frame with four wheels at the bottom, left and right handles on the top, generally even a seat within the frame, so we can stop and sit down to rest anywhere, and generally a basket underneath the seat. The older type of walker had just the frame and no wheels, seats, baskets, or brakes. We used to lifet it, move it forward a bit, set it down, take a step, then repeat the cycle. The new ones, we just push them while holding the handles. The new ones can also be colapsed and set on the back seat of a car and such. A picture of the old-style one is on the top of , while the new style is later on on the same page (in the rollator section).
I am a landscape photographer, who's particular about having the camera absolutely level. Are there products that you have reviewed that might be useful alternatives to ball heads? In my case, it would be mounted to my new tripod, and expected to carry a FF Canon with TS-E lenses.
Check out the Benro GD3WH geared head. It's only like $200 and works well. I shoot a lot of interiors, and it has been a HUGE relief and time saver over the ball-head which is downright frustrating by comparison. I know many people also use video fluid heads for photo over the ballhead, esp using a "bowl" to level for panos. Cheers -
Hi Curtis, subbed and liked! Am late to this video but still very relevant. After a year, would you still recommend this 4th axis. I am using a S1H + 24-105/4 and Ronin S. Thanks and happy holidays!
Great review as always Curtis and I like the idea but 3d printed construction? I wouldn't even pay half of the asking price for this thing. Im sure it wont be long untill zhiyun or or somebody makes a decent metal version of this for much less $. Scotty makes stuff if you happen to read this its a great idea but I think you should sell your design to a manufacturer while (IF) you still can.
Thanks for the feedback Justin. I’ll be testing it long term to see how it holds up. I wish everyone could use it for themselves, but it’s doing well so far.
Hi Justin, this is our Pro model with many features aimed at professionals so it simply costs more to make. We also have a 'wallet friendly' version called the AirFlo if you're interested - Just use Curtis's link above and then hit the home page to find out more. 3D printing has been a 'Wild West' for many years and has copped a bad rep as a result. Nowadays with new technology and our engineering smarts we can achieve results that match and in some ways exceed traditional manufacturing processes. A metal version may sound like a good idea but the weight would be much heavier on your shoulders than our lightweight designs.
Did you change frame rates in this video? Look very 60fps. Also, this is not more me. Adds too much clunk and I like to go small. Just bought an Oly EM5 mark ii, it’s three years old, but loving the size. Video features are limited, but photo features are pretty darn good for the size. I’ll use a GoPro7 and ninja walk in full sun to avoid carrying extra large equipment. LOL!!!
Yes, this one was all shot at 59.94 fps so that you could more easily see differences between the Glider Pro and without. If you can pull off the ninja walk, then stop wasting your time watching this video and get out there and make something cool! 😉
When you said, "it's not cheap," I was thinking, starts at 1500.00 and with necessary add-ons ~ 3500.00, but those prices are VERY reasonable, especially for what it can do. It's like the Steadicam arm.
Nice! I've used a version from Digital Foto and was actually decently impressed! Also, that footage is out your backyard? Must be nice to live somewhere so gorgeous! AZ is meh.....
✨✨101K ✨✨The best moment to make a "Sound Recording 101" video 🙄😀. There is tons of practical information and tips in your reviews.I think it would be amazing to see all of them in one practical session.I Hope you hit +200k this year. ✨✨HAPPY NEW YEAR ✨✨
Thanks 🎉 I think "Sound Recording 101" will get more clicks. 😊 Some youtubers make "what's in my bag" videos every six months.🙄 I wish you a very successful year Curtis .I learned a lot from you last year. Thanks again for sharing.💕
Great review. This is a question that applies to any two-handed stabilizer. While shooting, how do you make use of the stabilizer controls? With a one-handed stabilizer you have a free hand to push buttons or turn knobs. Ideally I guess you would need a remote mounted on one of the hand grips with controls that can be reached without letting go of that grip.
Hi Robert, yes, one would need a remote of some sort to operate the controls solo. This will be mostly relevant for documentary types of shoots. With narrative and corporate, I don't find that I need to change settings mid take in 99.9% of cases so not really an issue there. Many of the latest generation gimbals have a mobile app which a second person could presumably operate as another option.
Hi Robert, if your gimbal of choice is the Zhiyun Crane 2 then we make a replacement handle that fits the Zhiyun follow focus remote into the handle so you can control your gimbal and camera with both hands on the handles. There's also two 1/4-20 attachment points on each handle for rigging other remotes into accessible positions with something like say a magic arm.
@@ScottyMakesStuff With the upcoming Tilta Nucleus-Nano coming out, and being roughly a ~$250 modular gimbal follow focus that could work with almost any gimbal, it would be awesome to see a Glider pro handle mount for it so the glider pro and follow focus could shift between different gimbals and the control layout could remain consistent.
@@billyoung9538 As a product designer I find the Tilta gear very beautiful and well thought out - I only wish other companies put the same effort into product ergonomics as Tilta does. It's a shame they don't have a higher profile. I've just started an informal poll on the Tilta G2X group with your suggestion in mind as one of the options. The poll also includes attaching the 4th axis arms directly to the rosettes as well as the inclusion of the Nucleus M handles. If we get enough interest we will definitely add those to our range of modules for the Glider Pro 3.
Interesting. I've not run into these devices. I'm a fiend for floating images, and the price isn't TOO bad. How does this, with a gimbal, compare with the GlideCam/ SteadiCam apparatus? The one thing they offer is the ability to use them for long periods of time.
It looks cool but in the footage it seems rigid and rough like you said in the pros that the quality is good but it looked like it was not polished well
Note that all other stabilization was off - lens, in body cam stabilization. I did this to show just what the gimbal and 4th axis stabilizer do on their own. With the lens and IBIS it is more polished.
happy new year Curtis! Any fatigue when holding that? That was my first thought seeing you hold it. I know solid 4th axis stabilizers exist but for some reason this one makes me think it would get timesome quickly. Was that your experience?
Hi Dave - Happy New Year! The stabilizer is actually fairly lightweight and because you're forced to use both hands, I didn't find it to be too bad. Unless one shoots a take that is longer than about 5 minutes. 😀
Happy New Year. Great review as always. Interesting construction, in that so much of it is 3D printed, which is a time consuming way to make things and is best suited to low volume production. It goes a long way to explaining the price. I assume it is made from PETG to judge by the max temperature that you quote. If he later starts making them from ABS they will be able to take a higher temperature, although ABS is harder to print with (possible warping issues).
Hi John, we make the Pro 3's out of a range of high tech engineering plastics. There's none of the old ABS and PLA but each part uses a range of 'improved' polymer blends depending on the forces at play in that part. ABS is somewhat unpredictable due to it's amorphous nature and poor layer adhesion. It just doesn't give us the consistent mechanical performance that we require and there are also health risks associated in its manufacture.
Before watching video: "it's a cool invention, however for running shots I'll probably still stick with my glidecam or just suffer a little bounce on the ronin s though" after watching video: "this is perfect for the ronin s, the fact it works with any single handed gimbal is a big help"
Flash frame at 1:44 ... and at 2:45.... in case your the fussy type of RUclipsr. A friend of mine has this identical rig and it is certainly ideal for faster than walking style shooting but I found the setup time prohibitive... unless you set it up well before shooting. If you are following behind someone I found you can see the difference but if you are just doing the wide walking shot you probably won't see that much of a difference. This might be ideal for the real estate guy who go up stairs alot. It is a well made product for sure and much better than the others I have seen that are easier to get and cheap. Scottie stuff comes from Australia I think so it does take some time to arrive vs the off market copy cat brands on Amazon. Scotty does make good stuff but it is hardly cheap and it has a limited range of use as far as I am concerned.
Thanks Michael, you might like to let your friend know that we have recently added new Quick-start guides which have made that initial learning curve so much easier. We've also improved our User Guides too. These are available to view or download at the bottom each stabilizer product page. We tend to get orders out to the US in around a week so it's not that much slower than Amazon. This stabilizer has a lot of features aimed at Pro's and the use/abuse day to day work dishes out, hence the price. We also have a 'wallet friendly' version called the AirFlo if you're interested - Just use Curtis's link above and then hit the home page to find out more.
@@ScottyMakesStuff The mechanics of setting it up and balancing are not fast and in a setting where weather is a problem or light going down it can eat up time you may not have. But if you have it set up in advance it is decent. The DP I reference has been doing this for close to 40 years so he is pretty tech savvy and he moves pretty fast so a quick guide won't help him that much. On a recent shoot his son did use your stabilizer but with actors and crew and clients standing around it was a real pace changer. Once you get the cast up to speed and want to do multiple takes you want to keep that momentum going and anything impeding that can change the cadence of shooting... well from my experience. The 4th axis is truly ideal for walking up and down hills or stairs etc. But oddly enough I am seeing alot of very very expensive films and series shooting hand held with a ton of movement even in talking sequences. I think Law and Order UK is a series that is utilizing handheld alot. That's been off the air for a few years now but handheld minus the gimbal and steadycam are pretty common now. It is about finding a balance of movement that is not distracting. Some people call it floating. As for getting stuff here in Canada quickly ... well hit and miss. My DP buddy got his in a couple weeks and did pay duty etc. But if Scotty did put his product on Amazon we likely could get the item in a day or two max. I have even ordered stuff that came the same day! Other "stabilizers" are readily available but if people aren't in a hurry it would make more sense in my mind to buy the Scotty one given the quality and obvious support available.
why not just use 2 handed gimbal like ronin or simular ? It mostly don't have such problem if you use it proper... Ps Single hand mode looks way more useful !
Haha! No, just used them as a test tool here to detect the differences between using the Glider Pro 3 and not. I'm back to 23.976 next episode and not planning to use high frame rates unless there's a very good reason.
If you have time please try to test the glidegear 6000 ruclips.net/video/dRH5Xa0-ukU/видео.html which is a steadicam arm and vest. I don't think it is good for low mode etc, but having such a vest would be good for extensive use like people doing wedding etc.
You will note that this I said in the review wrap up that I recommend this for people getting paid who don’t use gimbals often and who are still struggling to avoid the footsteps showing in the footage. So, if you’re not getting paid for your work, then I do not suggest this or a gimbal. I’d suggest a proper audio recorder first.
Yeah, no. This costs *more* than the so-called copycats(which are all metal), but it's clearly a DIY build with 3D-printed parts. I would *not* trust my expensive cinema rig to this, and this is coming from a product design engineer who has an Ursa Mini 4.6K and a bunch of high speed cameras sitting right next to a printer that is currently prototyping a part for a high end design. They sent you a prototype. This cannot be commercialized in any serious volume, and to be honest, those thin 3D-printed parts are flimsy by any standard, especially considering the huge springs.
You have to see and handle it in person to assess whether it is flimsy. It is 3D printed by Scotty’s own admission and yes, probably cannot be produced in mass, but my impression is that it is plenty strong for hybrid cameras.
@@curtisjudd The issue is that while it may work well right now and feel sturdy, an unfortunate hit somewhere can delaminate a layer(especially on such a thin part), which over time can lead to it simply peeling apart. That's the main issue with FDM-printed parts.
@@Spirit532 We are highly skilled and very well equipped at 3D printing. Many parts are over-engineered to take the use/abuse that a Pro gives them on a day to day basis. We test all our stabilizers and accessories under excessive and repetitive force loads. The small carbon fibre filled high strength nylon bolt runner well exceeded our test apparatuses 300kg (700 pound) measuring limit. We drove a car over a handle (twice) with just a few scratches to show. We attached a 3kg dumbbell to a Glider Pro Uno mounted to our tow bar and drove it on bumpy dirt roads for a few days with no problems whatsoever. And most of all we've had a great many customer using these stabilizers with not one failure.
@@scottmcpherson6174 While it's admirable that you've made a commercial product more or less viable using 3D printed parts, it's still not something I would buy. At this manufacturing scale many low barrier to entry technologies exist that allow for proper production of plastic, or even metal parts. Bent sheet would work just as well in this case, as would reinforced cast parts. Good luck with whatever you do!
@@Spirit532 Fair points, time will tell. But I am curious, are you aware of any 4th axis stabilizers in this price range ($350 - $400) that are constructed of more durable materials? I'd like to have a look at them. Thanks for your help!
Best ever reviewer ,presenter advisor without nonsense intro graphics and all bullshit gimmick One True Gent !
Wow, thanks! That made my day!
Fantastic. Really enjoyed this one, love the honest disclaimers about reading the manual, and the time required to dial it in. This kind of realism is missing in 99% of videos. Thanks.
Thanks Richard.
So nice to come across somebody who can speak the English language. Appreciate it.
Haha! You are most welcome.
The area you live in is so beautiful, wow! I would love to move from my apartment to this place! Great video!
Thanks Linus, come on over for a visit some time! Happy new year!
@@curtisjudd thanks, Curtis! Happy New Year too!
I’d totally love to visit too! I was eating a “JELLY” donut while watching them b-rolls of the hills and tree.
@@mrheng562 Haha! Ok!
yeah the view out the windows of the living area made me really sad as a city dweller haha. dreamy! that said, i prefer the conveniences of city life.
Nice! And congrats!!! Your channel now says over 100K! LOL...“If that’s the case, you’re dismissed, get out of here...” Love it. 👍
Happy New Year BFM! Hope your year is radical in very good ways!
Congrats on hitting 100k subscribers! I'm envious of the view you get out of your home! Incredible!
Thanks Helium Cine!
Great video, love the lighting you did in this video as well.
Thanks Slomi!
Ooooooh! Curtis with a final 2018 video!
I feel honored, good sir.
Thanks and I feel honored that you commented so quickly! Happy new year!
I’ve been saying it for years.. This is what electronic stabilisers need!
Agreed!
I love your reviews. They are so clear and helpful !!
And, Happy New Year to you and your family !
Thanks Animations 'n' Tutorials and happy new year to you!
@@curtisjudd thanks 😊
Thanks for the vid and exposure to Scotty's products! Ordered the AirFlo Uno Plus since I am using a lighter weight setup.
👍 I hope it works well for you!
@@curtisjudd Thanks! I hope so too. The sale that runs until Jan 18th made it an easier decision.
Fantastic review Curtis. The whole frame rate thing caught me off guard, but made sens for emphasizing the minor differences in movement.
Haha! Yes, perfect example of a look I do not like for dramatic pieces - 60 fps.
Thanks again for the clarity of your review. Happy New Year!!
Thanks Edward, happy new year!
Congrats on 100k! Good job!
Thanks! 👍🏻
I actually have a question... I use both hands to control the stabilizer.... how to pull the focus wheel...?
Hi, either stitch with just a gimbal or you can attach a remote to the stabilizer handle if your gimbal supports a remote.
@@curtisjudd can you please send us a link for remote?
@@EskyFilms Hi, these are gimbal specific. Which gimbal do you use?
@@curtisjudd hello, I use a ronin-s
@@curtisjudd Hello, I'm using Ronin-S
I've noticed that just using a dual-handgrip improves one's steadiness, but I still need to stabilize in post thereby losing some FOV. I have the Scotty handle for the dual handle which integrates the zhiyun large bluetooth remote control and it works well. I wonder if the remote can be integrated into this Glider Pro 3....
Thanks for the insight Mike. Hopefully Scotty will be back from holiday and knows whether the remote can be integrated...
Hi Mike, yes, we've just arrived back from our holiday this afternoon. We have a version of your handle that fits the Glider Pro 3 range. Just follow Curtis's link above to find them.
@@ScottyMakesStuff Thanks, Scotty!
Looks like a worthy addition to my ronin s. Will look into it. Thank you for your video and happy new year to you.
Thanks OzzieTech and happy new year to you!
Another great find, Chris. I have the Ronin S and I've always wanted a dual handle accessory for monitors and mics. I've been waiting for DJI to come up with something on their own. But, this looks like a great solution. Thanks for sharing this.
Thanks Todd, happy new year!
Amazing as always! Happy new year!
Thanks and happy new year to you!
Happy new year, Chris! Great review as always👍
Thanks and happy new year to you!
Happy new year Curtis. Nice video
Happy new year to you, too, Nurul!
Happy New Year Curt! Looks like a cool add-on to any gimbal.
Happy New Year, Chad! Keep shreddin!
Hello. Would you be able to do a review on Scotty’s Airflo M duo
Unfortunately, no. We decided to focus on reviewing sound and lighting equipment.
i watched your video at the perfect time. thank you.
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And where exactly do I find that body mount
Body mount?
Curtis, you live at an awesome place! Congrats man!
Thanks!
solid review, it's clear you're very tall which definitely affects the performance as well. someone who is under 6 foot walking a little more gimbal-conscious would probably get much better footage. i'm sold as hell on this thing, thank you for the insight!
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Interesting. Happy new year, Curtis.
Thanks Chris and happy new year!
there is still bouncing with this rig. even in your walking and holding it in your studio it just seems prone to bouncing and i can see the camera going up and down. plus the extra weight? isnt that why we got away from the handle bar type of gimbals? you couldnt give me this thing. thanks for the review though as i learned something.
You're welcome. :)
Would it be possible to mount a readyrig from the 1/4-20 in the handles? Or is it not a good idea to support the weight of the camera from the handles for stability?
Good question. Hopefully Scotty see's this and weighs in...
Yes, those brass inserts in the tops of the handles are especially reinforced to be used as attachment points for a Readyrig or similar load support system. As for Easyrig's with the one support line they can still work if the line is split into two.
@@ScottyMakesStuff Thank you so much! for the response and the great gear!
Thx Curtis for this review and happy new year ;-)
Thanks and happy new year!
wow! the BMPCC4K gives this a very good look! Well done!
Thanks!
Curtis Judd which video settings did you use? 4k 60p? You have up a notch in the production quality 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
HD 59.94 fps. I did that primarily to make it easier to see the difference between the Glider Pro 3 and without. The high frame rate works well for action shots.
@@curtisjudd Thanks! :)
your footage sells this thing I hope this is where you live !
Thanks Mark, yes, all shot in and around my home in the Rocky Mountains.
Camera men are all now muscle builders. Nice video, thanks
It looks heavy but this one isn’t too bad for takes up to about 10 minutes.
Did you ever do a video with the car mount?
Unfortunately, no, I gave away all my gimbals. 😞
@@curtisjudd Done with gimbals? That would be an episode in itself. Have you such an episode that I've overlooked?
@@charlieross-BRM No episode on that, but that's a good idea! They have their place, of course, but back in 2016-2018 they were very popular and I found that for my work, I just didn't use them very much.
now if it can solve the 5th Axis...........
Me falling busting my ass in public
Hahaha!
I was all ready to dismiss this compared to the cheaper import versions of this, but this is actually really nice looking. Tough, robust, and he has a lot of interesting accessories on his page. Well done!
Thanks Ramon.
It seems a majority of this device is 3D printed. My question is, and this may just be my lack of knowledge about 3D printing, are there are there any concerns about the plastic wearing down in the joint areas or places where the metal parts contact the plastic like screws or where the springs attach? Obviously things move around a lot on a gimbal as it compensates for movement so I'd love to know if this would be a concern. The other area I'm curious about is where you tighten a screw on the clamp that goes around your existing gimbal. If I remove this device repeatedly is there any concern about the screw hole getting worn or is there something like a metal shroud where the screw goes in like on the 1/4" mounting points on the top of the handles?
Hi Bertram Photography, All great questions, Scotty should be back from holiday in the next few days so hopefully he can shed some light in regards to construction and materials.
Hi Bertram, this Pro 3 model is built with the Pro in mind and especially the type of use/abuse that comes from day to day work. We even ran my car over a handle to show how strong they are. There's no plastic wearing as all the moving surfaces are between the 18 high quality steel bearings and the stainless steel fittings. They will last for decades before wearing out. The springs attach to bolts and a bearing. The bolted side is mounted in a spring adjuster that is made out of carbon fibre and high strength nylon that is so over-engineered that it exceeded our 300kg (700pound) measuring scale and we couldn't break it past that point. I would not be surprised if it could take a tonne. The gimbal mount (clamps) uses brass threaded inserts and we have never had a single failure since we started production. We make these mounts very strong.
Great review as usual.
Thanks!
It looks like a car suspension which reminds me of double wishbone.Il probably just wait for a motorized version of this, or until zhiyun /dji can invent a 5-axis stabiizer. But then, there’s ibis+lens oss+gimbal and post edit stabilization. How smooth or robotic do we want it to be
It's a good point Ben but the reason a motorised version hasn't been made yet is that it's a complex and likely expensive problem to solve and the mechanical versions like ours do a good job already.
My sense is walking gimbal shots without a 4th axis stabilizer are more robotic looking than those with.
wherever you live i feel like playin "OH GIVE ME A HOME , WHERE THE BUFFALO ROAM" should be playing in the background
Hahaha! More like Elk, Deer, and Moose here, but totally agree!
Hello, do i still need to bend my knees and walk heal to toe? I do have a knee problems lol
No, as long as you walk as smoothly as possible. In fact, Scotty, the designer of these has knee problems as well and gets good results.
You reviewed another 4 axis stabilizer recently. What are your thoughts between the two of them?
This one is much better and 3 times the price. But with the bigger pricetag, you get separate controls for damping and payload, a much better damping cartridge, stainless steel bearings, better overall build quality, quick release arms to quickly get to inverted mode and a few other features. It's all a tradeoff. You can probably tell that I like this one quite a bit more 😀
@@curtisjudd Thanks. I saw you other video just now and decided to buy the cheaper alternative. I used your link to help the channel. Hope 2019 brings you 200k subs!!!
Hi @@FamilyofTech , we also have a 'wallet friendly' range called the AirFlo which is the best value for money range of stabilizers on the market. They're also strong and lightweight and when packed down they're a quarter the size of our original design which yours is based on. Just follow Curtis's link above and hit the home page to find them.
@@ScottyMakesStuff Will check it out. Thanks
I got a cheaper version of these 4th Axis Stabilizer from china a year ago. It would be cool if you can make a episode comparing these two to see if there are any cheaper options.
There are definitely cheaper options such as this: ruclips.net/video/LEMC6xHrnOs/видео.html
The differences in my testing are cheaper materials, less ability to fine-tune the damping, and inability to quick release and invert the handles.
Nice and informative video thank you very much!!!
Thanks John!
Great video as always, thanks! FYI rogue frame at 5:37
Oops, good catch. Thanks Rob!
If this fits on the moza air2 I am sold
Hi Titanium Waffle, yes, we will be working on the Moza Air 2 mount this week so expect it to be available very soon. If you'd like to place and order now then choose the Ronin-S mount and add a note in your shopping cart with "Moza Air 2" and we'll send it when it's ready.
That's good news!
@@ScottyMakesStuff it still might be a while till I order cuz I am going back to school here in Canada so my budgetary constraints will be high but I will be geting this for sure at some point. great to now your here to support your potential customers and there needs
@@titaniumwaffle4304 It's my pleasure! We'll be here when you're ready. We just finishing up the Moza Air 2 mount and once we get some stills it will be available online later tonight!
Thanks! Great video!
Thank you.
Hi, Do you recommend it for travel video? It looks a bit bulky and heavy.
The Glider is comparatively light. It detaches from the gimbal and packs down into a compact size. We also have another stabiliser system that's half the weight and packed size called the AirFlo.
Agreed on the weight. Also, it breaks down to a smaller size than the less expensive imitation stabilizers which are generally one big unit that cannot be broken down.
Happy new year
Happy New Year to you!
Does it fit on the DJI Ronin-S?
Hi Vegard, Yes, at the link in the description, you will see that there is a drop-down to choose your gimbal mount and Ronin-S is one of the options.
@@curtisjudd ok, thank you very much :-)
And here comes my standard question: Can you mount it on a walker?
Hi RustyTube, in this case, yes! There is a bicycle mount. A walker is particularly tricky because of the way it moves, but the bicycle mount should allow you to attach this.
@@curtisjudd So, finally, something that may work for me! Modern walkers have four wheels and move fairly smoothly, at least on paved surfaces. We no longer have to lift them before each step, we just push them.
Then this may be a good combination!
@@RustyTube Are you talking about a walking frame for old folk like my wife?
Or something for children learning to walk?
@@oneeyedphotographer I am talking about the device that helps us old and disabled people to walk. It is a frame with four wheels at the bottom, left and right handles on the top, generally even a seat within the frame, so we can stop and sit down to rest anywhere, and generally a basket underneath the seat.
The older type of walker had just the frame and no wheels, seats, baskets, or brakes. We used to lifet it, move it forward a bit, set it down, take a step, then repeat the cycle. The new ones, we just push them while holding the handles. The new ones can also be colapsed and set on the back seat of a car and such.
A picture of the old-style one is on the top of , while the new style is later on on the same page (in the rollator section).
I am a landscape photographer, who's particular about having the camera absolutely level. Are there products that you have reviewed that might be useful alternatives to ball heads? In my case, it would be mounted to my new tripod, and expected to carry a FF Canon with TS-E lenses.
Check out the Benro GD3WH geared head. It's only like $200 and works well. I shoot a lot of interiors, and it has been a HUGE relief and time saver over the ball-head which is downright frustrating by comparison.
I know many people also use video fluid heads for photo over the ballhead, esp using a "bowl" to level for panos. Cheers -
I agree on the video bowl heads. They're big and relatively heavy but really nice to work with.
Welcome to the Axis Order!!
Haha!
Wow. Epic
Happy new year
Thanks and happy new year to you, too!
Its heavy?
No
Please sir made one video
How to fix a camera on gimbal?
Done: ruclips.net/video/7gE5l7aU8F0/видео.html
This was demonstrated with the Moza Air 2 but the same applies to most gimbals.
Hi Curtis, subbed and liked!
Am late to this video but still very relevant. After a year, would you still recommend this 4th axis. I am using a S1H + 24-105/4 and Ronin S.
Thanks and happy holidays!
Hi Nomad 24, yes. Truthfully, my brother uses it way more than I do but still going strong.
Hi Curtis, great! Thank you. Will try to get this on my Xmas list.
Cheers
Great review as always Curtis and I like the idea but 3d printed construction? I wouldn't even pay half of the asking price for this thing. Im sure it wont be long untill zhiyun or or somebody makes a decent metal version of this for much less $. Scotty makes stuff if you happen to read this its a great idea but I think you should sell your design to a manufacturer while (IF) you still can.
Thanks for the feedback Justin. I’ll be testing it long term to see how it holds up. I wish everyone could use it for themselves, but it’s doing well so far.
Hi Justin, this is our Pro model with many features aimed at professionals so it simply costs more to make. We also have a 'wallet friendly' version called the AirFlo if you're interested - Just use Curtis's link above and then hit the home page to find out more. 3D printing has been a 'Wild West' for many years and has copped a bad rep as a result. Nowadays with new technology and our engineering smarts we can achieve results that match and in some ways exceed traditional manufacturing processes. A metal version may sound like a good idea but the weight would be much heavier on your shoulders than our lightweight designs.
I like it, thanks for the video
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Did you change frame rates in this video? Look very 60fps.
Also, this is not more me. Adds too much clunk and I like to go small.
Just bought an Oly EM5 mark ii, it’s three years old, but loving the size. Video features are limited, but photo features are pretty darn good for the size.
I’ll use a GoPro7 and ninja walk in full sun to avoid carrying extra large equipment. LOL!!!
Yes, this one was all shot at 59.94 fps so that you could more easily see differences between the Glider Pro and without. If you can pull off the ninja walk, then stop wasting your time watching this video and get out there and make something cool! 😉
Curtis Judd , currently at a photography shoot and vlogging about. I’ll email you the link when ready. 😁👍
Haha! Great!
Sir please made one video on
How to fix a camera on gimbal
Done: ruclips.net/video/7gE5l7aU8F0/видео.html
This was demonstrated with the Moza Air 2 but the same applies to most gimbals.
When you said, "it's not cheap," I was thinking, starts at 1500.00 and with necessary add-ons ~ 3500.00, but those prices are VERY reasonable, especially for what it can do.
It's like the Steadicam arm.
Precisely - just like the steadicam arm. 👍🏻
Nice! I've used a version from Digital Foto and was actually decently impressed! Also, that footage is out your backyard? Must be nice to live somewhere so gorgeous! AZ is meh.....
👍 I used to live in Tucson and the sunsets were often impressive.
✨✨101K ✨✨The best moment to make a "Sound Recording 101" video 🙄😀. There is tons of practical information and tips in your reviews.I think it would be amazing to see all of them in one practical session.I Hope you hit +200k this year. ✨✨HAPPY NEW YEAR ✨✨
Thanks Armen, and thank you for the suggestion.
Come to think of it, I did this sound 101 episode about 10 months ago: ruclips.net/video/CIFEjl_m_RM/видео.html
Thanks 🎉
I think "Sound Recording 101" will get more clicks. 😊
Some youtubers make "what's in my bag" videos every six months.🙄
I wish you a very successful year Curtis .I learned a lot from you last year.
Thanks again for sharing.💕
Do you still use this?
No, I gave it away since I don't use gimbals much these days.
Great review. This is a question that applies to any two-handed stabilizer. While shooting, how do you make use of the stabilizer controls? With a one-handed stabilizer you have a free hand to push buttons or turn knobs. Ideally I guess you would need a remote mounted on one of the hand grips with controls that can be reached without letting go of that grip.
Hi Robert, yes, one would need a remote of some sort to operate the controls solo. This will be mostly relevant for documentary types of shoots. With narrative and corporate, I don't find that I need to change settings mid take in 99.9% of cases so not really an issue there. Many of the latest generation gimbals have a mobile app which a second person could presumably operate as another option.
Hi Robert, if your gimbal of choice is the Zhiyun Crane 2 then we make a replacement handle that fits the Zhiyun follow focus remote into the handle so you can control your gimbal and camera with both hands on the handles. There's also two 1/4-20 attachment points on each handle for rigging other remotes into accessible positions with something like say a magic arm.
Thanks to both of you for the quick answers and happy new year!
@@ScottyMakesStuff With the upcoming Tilta Nucleus-Nano coming out, and being roughly a ~$250 modular gimbal follow focus that could work with almost any gimbal, it would be awesome to see a Glider pro handle mount for it so the glider pro and follow focus could shift between different gimbals and the control layout could remain consistent.
@@billyoung9538 As a product designer I find the Tilta gear very beautiful and well thought out - I only wish other companies put the same effort into product ergonomics as Tilta does. It's a shame they don't have a higher profile.
I've just started an informal poll on the Tilta G2X group with your suggestion in mind as one of the options. The poll also includes attaching the 4th axis arms directly to the rosettes as well as the inclusion of the Nucleus M handles. If we get enough interest we will definitely add those to our range of modules for the Glider Pro 3.
Interesting. I've not run into these devices. I'm a fiend for floating images, and the price isn't TOO bad.
How does this, with a gimbal, compare with the GlideCam/ SteadiCam apparatus? The one thing they offer is the ability to use them for long periods of time.
Hi Scott, good question. Sounds like I need to get my hands on a manual gimbal, vest and arm to see how they compare.
It looks cool but in the footage it seems rigid and rough like you said in the pros that the quality is good but it looked like it was not polished well
Note that all other stabilization was off - lens, in body cam stabilization. I did this to show just what the gimbal and 4th axis stabilizer do on their own. With the lens and IBIS it is more polished.
happy new year Curtis! Any fatigue when holding that? That was my first thought seeing you hold it. I know solid 4th axis stabilizers exist but for some reason this one makes me think it would get timesome quickly. Was that your experience?
Hi Dave - Happy New Year! The stabilizer is actually fairly lightweight and because you're forced to use both hands, I didn't find it to be too bad. Unless one shoots a take that is longer than about 5 minutes. 😀
@@curtisjudd fair point! and good to know!
thanks for video
You’re welcome!
Nice area where you reside.
Thanks, yes, we love it in the Rocky Mountains.
I don't need this on my setup, and it's more difficult to run, and do so much moves....( crane move, slider moves, and others simulations of moves )
Ok
Happy New Year. Great review as always.
Interesting construction, in that so much of it is 3D printed, which is a time consuming way to make things and is best suited to low volume production. It goes a long way to explaining the price. I assume it is made from PETG to judge by the max temperature that you quote. If he later starts making them from ABS they will be able to take a higher temperature, although ABS is harder to print with (possible warping issues).
Hi John and happy new year to you! Hopefully Scotty can shed some light on the details when he's back from holiday in the next few days.
Hi John, we make the Pro 3's out of a range of high tech engineering plastics. There's none of the old ABS and PLA but each part uses a range of 'improved' polymer blends depending on the forces at play in that part. ABS is somewhat unpredictable due to it's amorphous nature and poor layer adhesion. It just doesn't give us the consistent mechanical performance that we require and there are also health risks associated in its manufacture.
Thanks this video
You're welcome!
Ninja walk lol good video it looks cool.
👍🏻 Walk like a ninja.
No dislikes!!!
Don't jinx us! 😉
Before watching video: "it's a cool invention, however for running shots I'll probably still stick with my glidecam or just suffer a little bounce on the ronin s though"
after watching video: "this is perfect for the ronin s, the fact it works with any single handed gimbal is a big help"
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Flash frame at 1:44 ... and at 2:45.... in case your the fussy type of RUclipsr. A friend of mine has this identical rig and it is certainly ideal for faster than walking style shooting but I found the setup time prohibitive... unless you set it up well before shooting. If you are following behind someone I found you can see the difference but if you are just doing the wide walking shot you probably won't see that much of a difference. This might be ideal for the real estate guy who go up stairs alot. It is a well made product for sure and much better than the others I have seen that are easier to get and cheap. Scottie stuff comes from Australia I think so it does take some time to arrive vs the off market copy cat brands on Amazon. Scotty does make good stuff but it is hardly cheap and it has a limited range of use as far as I am concerned.
Thanks Michael, sloppy job this time.
Thanks Michael, you might like to let your friend know that we have recently added new Quick-start guides which have made that initial learning curve so much easier. We've also improved our User Guides too. These are available to view or download at the bottom each stabilizer product page.
We tend to get orders out to the US in around a week so it's not that much slower than Amazon.
This stabilizer has a lot of features aimed at Pro's and the use/abuse day to day work dishes out, hence the price. We also have a 'wallet friendly' version called the AirFlo if you're interested - Just use Curtis's link above and then hit the home page to find out more.
@@ScottyMakesStuff The mechanics of setting it up and balancing are not fast and in a setting where weather is a problem or light going down it can eat up time you may not have. But if you have it set up in advance it is decent. The DP I reference has been doing this for close to 40 years so he is pretty tech savvy and he moves pretty fast so a quick guide won't help him that much. On a recent shoot his son did use your stabilizer but with actors and crew and clients standing around it was a real pace changer. Once you get the cast up to speed and want to do multiple takes you want to keep that momentum going and anything impeding that can change the cadence of shooting... well from my experience.
The 4th axis is truly ideal for walking up and down hills or stairs etc. But oddly enough I am seeing alot of very very expensive films and series shooting hand held with a ton of movement even in talking sequences. I think Law and Order UK is a series that is utilizing handheld alot. That's been off the air for a few years now but handheld minus the gimbal and steadycam are pretty common now. It is about finding a balance of movement that is not distracting. Some people call it floating.
As for getting stuff here in Canada quickly ... well hit and miss. My DP buddy got his in a couple weeks and did pay duty etc. But if Scotty did put his product on Amazon we likely could get the item in a day or two max. I have even ordered stuff that came the same day! Other "stabilizers" are readily available but if people aren't in a hurry it would make more sense in my mind to buy the Scotty one given the quality and obvious support available.
So this probably won't compatible with Zhiyun's Crane 3 Lab ... pity
Yes, it will fit the Crane 3 with the 1/4-20 base mount.
0:45 Oh, dang. Early dismissal.
Just to save you time...
@@curtisjudd No I watched the whole thing 2wice. I snuck back in the classroom.
@@DevynFromCFXTV Hahaha! Good job.
why not just use 2 handed gimbal like ronin or simular ? It mostly don't have such problem if you use it proper... Ps Single hand mode looks way more useful !
Keep doing what you're doing! You're awesome like a ninja!
Interesting 🤔
My thought, exactly.
Oh no, you've succumbed to highframerateitis! Please go back to 24fps. ;-)
Haha! No, just used them as a test tool here to detect the differences between using the Glider Pro 3 and not. I'm back to 23.976 next episode and not planning to use high frame rates unless there's a very good reason.
If you have time please try to test the glidegear 6000 ruclips.net/video/dRH5Xa0-ukU/видео.html which is a steadicam arm and vest. I don't think it is good for low mode etc, but having such a vest would be good for extensive use like people doing wedding etc.
Thanks for the tip Daniel. Wow, I've never seen such an affordable vest and arm.
Here I can't even afford for gimble and he is suggesting for another accessories 😂😂
You will note that this I said in the review wrap up that I recommend this for people getting paid who don’t use gimbals often and who are still struggling to avoid the footsteps showing in the footage. So, if you’re not getting paid for your work, then I do not suggest this or a gimbal. I’d suggest a proper audio recorder first.
You are a beautiful man, this is important.
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No way I'm trusting my camera rig on anything with 3d printed parts.
Ok.
@@curtisjudd they simply don't last.
@@Henchproductions Understood.
Yeah, no. This costs *more* than the so-called copycats(which are all metal), but it's clearly a DIY build with 3D-printed parts. I would *not* trust my expensive cinema rig to this, and this is coming from a product design engineer who has an Ursa Mini 4.6K and a bunch of high speed cameras sitting right next to a printer that is currently prototyping a part for a high end design.
They sent you a prototype. This cannot be commercialized in any serious volume, and to be honest, those thin 3D-printed parts are flimsy by any standard, especially considering the huge springs.
You have to see and handle it in person to assess whether it is flimsy. It is 3D printed by Scotty’s own admission and yes, probably cannot be produced in mass, but my impression is that it is plenty strong for hybrid cameras.
@@curtisjudd The issue is that while it may work well right now and feel sturdy, an unfortunate hit somewhere can delaminate a layer(especially on such a thin part), which over time can lead to it simply peeling apart. That's the main issue with FDM-printed parts.
@@Spirit532 We are highly skilled and very well equipped at 3D printing. Many parts are over-engineered to take the use/abuse that a Pro gives them on a day to day basis. We test all our stabilizers and accessories under excessive and repetitive force loads. The small carbon fibre filled high strength nylon bolt runner well exceeded our test apparatuses 300kg (700 pound) measuring limit. We drove a car over a handle (twice) with just a few scratches to show. We attached a 3kg dumbbell to a Glider Pro Uno mounted to our tow bar and drove it on bumpy dirt roads for a few days with no problems whatsoever. And most of all we've had a great many customer using these stabilizers with not one failure.
@@scottmcpherson6174 While it's admirable that you've made a commercial product more or less viable using 3D printed parts, it's still not something I would buy. At this manufacturing scale many low barrier to entry technologies exist that allow for proper production of plastic, or even metal parts. Bent sheet would work just as well in this case, as would reinforced cast parts.
Good luck with whatever you do!
@@Spirit532 Fair points, time will tell. But I am curious, are you aware of any 4th axis stabilizers in this price range ($350 - $400) that are constructed of more durable materials? I'd like to have a look at them. Thanks for your help!
I think it waste a lot of money,and make my wife vanishe
I got the waste of money part but the vanishing wife?
$300 cheap 3D printed gear...
You should not purchase it then. That is why we do reviews. :)