I want a show on how Valyria was built and how it went to ruin. Also, I think that the downfall of Valyria coming from Lannister gold was pointing to how Tywin sacked King's landing because the Targaryens were the last of the blood of Valyria so technically, the prophecy of downfall of Valyria coming from Lannister gold was a reality.
While binge watching more of your videos, I missed this! Loving the relaxing of lockdown and cant wait to spend some time in West Wales this summer ❤ Your hair is nearly as great as your videos. Thank you for such an immersive view of the game of thrones world. So excited to get to your lord of the rings work.
“It’s not a matter of wanting one (GOT spin-off) over the other, I’ll have them all thank you” favorite and most relatable part of this video!!! Praying to all the gods that we get as many wonderful spin offs as possible in combination with the finishing of the book series 😊
I would like to know more about Valyria. Like the religion, the culture, the traditions, who were the nobel families....Also how did they look like. I imagine lots of people with silver hair and purple eyes in a beautiful and vibrant city full of merchants, wizards , nobles and slaves coming from so many different places .
Talk was that Valyrian’s weren’t ideal like Atlantis people... but Robert, legend implies, and even disney cartoon shows, that Atlantis rulers are in fact absolute dictators! They just appear to seem nice...
Missed another one but for good reason! I was getting my 2nd COVID-19 vaccination at the time. Cheers to immunity! I'm going to go drink a cup of wildfire.
20:37 While I’m only just now getting to this video, with the way Lannisters have been mentioned and described in other prophecies, I can’t help but wonder if the Valyrian prophecy means the *actual* family. If Lannister gold is prophesied to bring about the Doom, and if Maggie The Frog states “gold their crowns, gold their shrouds”, it’d have to mean more than *just* Lannister money. Right? 🤔
So Euron and all, is maybe he snagged the armor with his anchor and silenced his crew so he could tell his story of what had happened. Euron got scared and ran, pulled up the armor as he turned away or fled.
1:57:39 isn't it possible, even likely, that the Maesters don't actually work the Valyrian Steel? You can just open and re-weld the adjacent links to accommodate the VS one. I've always figured that the Citadel sits on a small cache of the links to hand out to the very few people who want to study the mysteries.
2:23:30 - Unless something about "being in Valyria" (the magical environs there) suppressed the deformities. It wouldn't be totally implausible for their departure from there weakening the protection and making those deformities possible.
Wait - I thought we'd said that the fire mages were *preventing* the eruptions, so how did the eruptions get "magical" in and of themselves? I thought it was just the removal of the magical "pressure containment" that just let them do their natural thing.
I don't know why I keep coming back to this, but I almost wonder if the Great Empire isn't the same empire from the short story he wrote called The Ice Dragon...I know he has said it isn't in the same world and that he wrote the short story long before ASOIAF...so is it weird that I still hope they tie in together somehow?
@@Mahalleinir Tin Foil Alert: The show ended and Covid began. Im not saying there is a connection. But.... the facts are what they are. This is what happens when people stop believing in magic.
The only reason why there was a monarchy in Westeros and a Oligarchy in the Freehold of Valyria is because in Westeros there was only one family with dragons and in Valyria you had 40. The Freehold of Valyria was a compromise to avoid a Dance of Dragons but 40x times worse.
How come NOBODY that i at least have read of yet in the books of ASOIAF, has thought to tell Dany shed be a lot more stable and maneuverable in battle if shed saddle her dragons, Vhagar had a saddle that could fit a small shed on it on HOTD, and in the dance it wouldve been alot more common for riders to simply fall of dragonback if they all flew like Dany does. Seriously is she saddled Drogon she could pull the aegon over Harrenhall move, the sudden steep climb up and up until shes a fly passing by the moon and then dive.... her and john would be alot more effective and itd be way more realistic.
There may have been dragon fights in the early days to establish dominance. As far as religion goes they may have saw themselves as gods among men who answer to no one as many Nobel families did who didn't have dragons. Or they may have worshiped magic itself or even dragons.
It just seems to me that the Lannisters would first have tried to get a middle man to buy a sword off of the Valyrians themselves, before settling for one forged by someone else. It just seems like a simpler idea. Also, where did the Maesters get the steel? Would they have enough they could spare just lying around?
I'm still set on the idea that they just have a chest of pre-forged links that the Citadel hands out to the very few remaining maesters who still study the higher mysteries, then collects after their death. When forging a chain, you don't need to heat and manipulate every link - just open two links and weld each back together around the Valyrian Steel piece. It never needs to be worked. One thing is that we have no word whatsoever what happens to a maester's remains (or chain) after he dies, but doesn't it seem like a Citadel attitude to treat the chains as their property? Not a bad way to collect a bit of precious metal for their coffers.
I really hope on her way to westeros Danny goes to valyria on drogon. It's one of those things where why wouldn't she want to go there on the way besides George doesn't want to show us it
How i think the Targs control dragon Is because they use magic back in old valria the 40 dragon lord family's like the targeryen the did somthing to them self to magical bond with dragon they bred with them and use magic ect so now the magic to bound with them is just genetically inside of them
I don't think they avoided genetic mishaps at all. One of Halaena's twins (Jahaera) was born with 6 fingers and toes on each limb, all of Maegor's expected children either died in the womb or were born horribly disfigured, dying almost immediately, Rhaenyra's stillbirth produced a "dragon baby", etc.
She is known as the "Mother of Dragons" because no dragons had hatched in a century and a half before hers did. Dragon eggs used to hatch regularly. Eggs were put in the cribs of baby Targaryens, too. There were dragons without riders and feral dragons as well. There were about 25 dragons when the Dance of the Dragons began (about 150 years before the start of the novels) but the Dance saw the deaths of all but four dragons. After that, any dragon eggs that did happen to hatch were small and sickly, and eventually they just stopped hatching all together, until the miracle of Daenerys' dragons.
Omg😂 the beginning of this live stream didn’t age well.. golden age of well acted well produced high fantasy. Well HOTD was great but that’s about it 😂 more enjoyment from this stream than most of those shows.
No way one sword, Brightroar, was worth the price of Valerya in any possible equation. Nor could Masters make them from scratch. No suggestion of this anywhere. Reforging some wire into links is very far from expert swordsmithing!
I disagree with you about magic. I think the intent must be that they are intending to do magic, NOT that they know the outcome. If knowing the outcome was necessary, magical experimentation wouldn’t be possible.
Because according to George himself, that was a miracle; a one-of-a-kind event steeped in magic. Targaryens are not fireproof; as quiiiiiite a few Targaryens have died from fire and their funeral rites involve burning their corpses.
Im a bit pissed off at GRRM for using pagan magic and rituals for his inspiration for Magic in his books. Yet he tries to defy the laws of the elements. He says Dragons are magical and basicly an embodiment of fire magic. You dont douse fire with fire you douse fire with water. A volcano eruption regardless of its scale should never have killed a fire spirit. Thats like saying this tsunami just killed that whale, the tsunami itself never harmed it, the whale is a part of the water. Washing up on the beach and being separated from it is what killed it. Good fantasy writing doesnt defy the laws of natures elements.
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Looking sharp Robert!! 👌
Excellent as always ... one week I won't fall asleep and try to catch it live.
Great haircut and thoroughly enjoyed this livestream! Thank you Robert!
Thank you for producing such amazing content
I'm sorry I missed your live stream! It's so good to see you, Robert!
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Great Channel been watching for about six months. Love the Lord of the rings content, excellent reading by Robert.
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I want a show on how Valyria was built and how it went to ruin. Also, I think that the downfall of Valyria coming from Lannister gold was pointing to how Tywin sacked King's landing because the Targaryens were the last of the blood of Valyria so technically, the prophecy of downfall of Valyria coming from Lannister gold was a reality.
While binge watching more of your videos, I missed this! Loving the relaxing of lockdown and cant wait to spend some time in West Wales this summer ❤ Your hair is nearly as great as your videos. Thank you for such an immersive view of the game of thrones world. So excited to get to your lord of the rings work.
That would be truly great if the gold that Tyrion has signed away to the Second Sons somehow brings down the remnants of the Valyrian Freehold.
I would love to see this as a series!!!! Especially Old Valyria v. Rhone.
They're trying to get a show about nymeria Greenlit! That would have some of that plot line in it
“It’s not a matter of wanting one (GOT spin-off) over the other, I’ll have them all thank you” favorite and most relatable part of this video!!! Praying to all the gods that we get as many wonderful spin offs as possible in combination with the finishing of the book series 😊
I would like to know more about Valyria. Like the religion, the culture, the traditions, who were the nobel families....Also how did they look like. I imagine lots of people with silver hair and purple eyes in a beautiful and vibrant city full of merchants, wizards , nobles and slaves coming from so many different places .
Min 135:41. So glad to hear it. Despite the flaws, and despite the expectations, i liked S8.
Only 14 volcanos? Pfft. My home town is built on 50 😂 Another great stream! Thanks Robert!
127 active volcanos in Indonesia!
@@juliancillopillo exactly 😆 The Valyrians had stuff all volcanos!
@@juliancillopillo The other 113 flames got mad people only knew 14 of them.
@@douglasdubois7985 but these are MAGIC volcanoes ;)
Love in deep geek
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The valyrians delve too greedily and too deep...... balrogs destroyed valyria
This comment led me down a path of immersing myself in the world of lotr for nearly 2 weeks.
I have returned and can continue with asoiaf
100% confirmed
@@Degofhassometimes you gotta take a Tolkien break! Speaking of, have you read any of the expanded stories like Beren and Luthien? They're fantastic.
The mad lad is back at it again
Talk was that Valyrian’s weren’t ideal like Atlantis people... but Robert, legend implies, and even disney cartoon shows, that Atlantis rulers are in fact absolute dictators! They just appear to seem nice...
Super video. ty
Missed another one but for good reason! I was getting my 2nd COVID-19 vaccination at the time. Cheers to immunity! I'm going to go drink a cup of wildfire.
Cheers
Congratulations!!! My second shot is May 1st!! I'm so very happy for you that you're fully vaccinated!!!
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20:37 While I’m only just now getting to this video, with the way Lannisters have been mentioned and described in other prophecies, I can’t help but wonder if the Valyrian prophecy means the *actual* family. If Lannister gold is prophesied to bring about the Doom, and if Maggie The Frog states “gold their crowns, gold their shrouds”, it’d have to mean more than *just* Lannister money. Right? 🤔
So Euron and all, is maybe he snagged the armor with his anchor and silenced his crew so he could tell his story of what had happened. Euron got scared and ran, pulled up the armor as he turned away or fled.
Nice haircut Robert!
1:57:39 isn't it possible, even likely, that the Maesters don't actually work the Valyrian Steel? You can just open and re-weld the adjacent links to accommodate the VS one. I've always figured that the Citadel sits on a small cache of the links to hand out to the very few people who want to study the mysteries.
Yes - Aerea's situation seemed more like a parasite of some kind, not a disease.
2:23:30 - Unless something about "being in Valyria" (the magical environs there) suppressed the deformities. It wouldn't be totally implausible for their departure from there weakening the protection and making those deformities possible.
39:02 I bet Randy could find some work in a Lysene pleasure house. Man's gotta eat!
Wait - I thought we'd said that the fire mages were *preventing* the eruptions, so how did the eruptions get "magical" in and of themselves? I thought it was just the removal of the magical "pressure containment" that just let them do their natural thing.
As far as magic goes, the Rhoynar had water magic and are described as using it in the wars.
I don't know why I keep coming back to this, but I almost wonder if the Great Empire isn't the same empire from the short story he wrote called The Ice Dragon...I know he has said it isn't in the same world and that he wrote the short story long before ASOIAF...so is it weird that I still hope they tie in together somehow?
Pandemic Silver Lining: GRRM FINISHED THE STORY DURING LOCKDOWN. And it will probably be his best writing EVER.
From your lips to the Old Gods’ ears
@@Mahalleinir Tin Foil Alert: The show ended and Covid began. Im not saying there is a connection. But.... the facts are what they are. This is what happens when people stop believing in magic.
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ooooh House of the Dragon filming at St. Michael's Mount? Wow, my old stomping ground--a very dynamic back drop.
The only reason why there was a monarchy in Westeros and a Oligarchy in the Freehold of Valyria is because in Westeros there was only one family with dragons and in Valyria you had 40.
The Freehold of Valyria was a compromise to avoid a Dance of Dragons but 40x times worse.
How come NOBODY that i at least have read of yet in the books of ASOIAF, has thought to tell Dany shed be a lot more stable and maneuverable in battle if shed saddle her dragons, Vhagar had a saddle that could fit a small shed on it on HOTD, and in the dance it wouldve been alot more common for riders to simply fall of dragonback if they all flew like Dany does. Seriously is she saddled Drogon she could pull the aegon over Harrenhall move, the sudden steep climb up and up until shes a fly passing by the moon and then dive.... her and john would be alot more effective and itd be way more realistic.
There may have been dragon fights in the early days to establish dominance. As far as religion goes they may have saw themselves as gods among men who answer to no one as many Nobel families did who didn't have dragons. Or they may have worshiped magic itself or even dragons.
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It just seems to me that the Lannisters would first have tried to get a middle man to buy a sword off of the Valyrians themselves, before settling for one forged by someone else. It just seems like a simpler idea. Also, where did the Maesters get the steel? Would they have enough they could spare just lying around?
I'm still set on the idea that they just have a chest of pre-forged links that the Citadel hands out to the very few remaining maesters who still study the higher mysteries, then collects after their death. When forging a chain, you don't need to heat and manipulate every link - just open two links and weld each back together around the Valyrian Steel piece. It never needs to be worked. One thing is that we have no word whatsoever what happens to a maester's remains (or chain) after he dies, but doesn't it seem like a Citadel attitude to treat the chains as their property? Not a bad way to collect a bit of precious metal for their coffers.
Good topic
You think Tyson - Joshua will happen?
Do you think that the Deccan Traps inspired the volcanic death?
does the ash cloud of the 14 volcanos cause a "long night? " temp drops and famine follow a big enough sun blocking event
I really hope on her way to westeros Danny goes to valyria on drogon. It's one of those things where why wouldn't she want to go there on the way besides George doesn't want to show us it
This guy reminds me of my uncle
btw he's a legend
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How i think the Targs control dragon Is because they use magic back in old valria the 40 dragon lord family's like the targeryen the did somthing to them self to magical bond with dragon they bred with them and use magic ect so now the magic to bound with them is just genetically inside of them
We may not know who hired the Faceless Men but I think we can guess where the gold came from.
Emperor Aurion, emperor of Valyria, does not appreciate you forgetting his name and confusing Volantis and Qohor
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How do you think that they avoided the problems associated with marrying relatives that are to close genetically?.
I don't think they avoided genetic mishaps at all. One of Halaena's twins (Jahaera) was born with 6 fingers and toes on each limb, all of Maegor's expected children either died in the womb or were born horribly disfigured, dying almost immediately, Rhaenyra's stillbirth produced a "dragon baby", etc.
Deep. Balls Deep.
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was Daenerys the only mother of dragons how did the other dragons hatch
She is known as the "Mother of Dragons" because no dragons had hatched in a century and a half before hers did. Dragon eggs used to hatch regularly. Eggs were put in the cribs of baby Targaryens, too. There were dragons without riders and feral dragons as well. There were about 25 dragons when the Dance of the Dragons began (about 150 years before the start of the novels) but the Dance saw the deaths of all but four dragons. After that, any dragon eggs that did happen to hatch were small and sickly, and eventually they just stopped hatching all together, until the miracle of Daenerys' dragons.
Omg😂 the beginning of this live stream didn’t age well.. golden age of well acted well produced high fantasy. Well HOTD was great but that’s about it 😂 more enjoyment from this stream than most of those shows.
No way one sword, Brightroar, was worth the price of Valerya in any possible equation. Nor could Masters make them from scratch. No suggestion of this anywhere. Reforging some wire into links is very far from expert swordsmithing!
I'd say Asshai is the "most" magical place in ASOIAF that we've heard of so far.
I would disagree and call it the “most” magical place that still exists in the main book series.
I disagree with you about magic. I think the intent must be that they are intending to do magic, NOT that they know the outcome. If knowing the outcome was necessary, magical experimentation wouldn’t be possible.
Dany survived being inside a blazing bonfire that burned her clothes off. Why are we saying she only has a slight resistance to fire?
Because according to George himself, that was a miracle; a one-of-a-kind event steeped in magic. Targaryens are not fireproof; as quiiiiiite a few Targaryens have died from fire and their funeral rites involve burning their corpses.
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You need to fix the lighting in your vids.
Im a bit pissed off at GRRM for using pagan magic and rituals for his inspiration for Magic in his books. Yet he tries to defy the laws of the elements.
He says Dragons are magical and basicly an embodiment of fire magic. You dont douse fire with fire you douse fire with water. A volcano eruption regardless of its scale should never have killed a fire spirit.
Thats like saying this tsunami just killed that whale, the tsunami itself never harmed it, the whale is a part of the water. Washing up on the beach and being separated from it is what killed it.
Good fantasy writing doesnt defy the laws of natures elements.
But whales can still drown...