Hey Robert! I've been a fan for years and finally wanted to say thank you for all of your fantastic content. I know I speak for thousands of people when I say it is greatly appreciated! This livestream was incredible!
@@InDeepGeek, hey there Robert! I'm just now finding this (one year after the fact!) but it's so nice to see a face with the voice. It's weird that I pictured you older, but I can't imagine anyone else narrarating your very informative travels. Thanks again for leading me down an endless rabbit hole of entertainment. Cheers!
I was thinking the same thing! Every time I watch Robert i am inspired to pick up the books again, he's keeping this fire going. George has probably watched a few videos, who knows?! If George is looking for inspiration or ideas he should bring Robert on board, the books will be finished in no time.
This was a WONDERFUL idea for a stream - tinfoil is fun, even if I myself don’t believe 75% of it. The ideas are just entertaining to muse over! Oh and shoutout to the mods, you guys did a great job of defending Robert’s Wall from marauding Other trolls ❤️
Do you think that the story of Storm's Keeps is a homage to Monty Python's swamp castle? When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England.
I feel horrible the amount of "and all the rest of it" has tragically decreased I hope Robert hasn't been consciously been avoiding saying it. don't think about it just let it rip. let "all the rest of it" keep coming!!! love the channel either way. plus I enjoy drinking when you say it. lol thanks, Robert
My current favourite tinfoil is that Arianne going to meet FAegon is not about offering herself in marriage for an alliance. She's actually going to be offering Myrcella in marriage. A Targ-Martel alliance might be god but what better way to secure the throne of the entire country than to have both a Targ and a Baratheon. The last heir of the Targ united with the last heir of Baratheon (Tomlin will have to die for FAegon to be crowned anyway) Linked to this is Cersei's vision. She is told her three children will have three golden crowns. What if this isn't just about hair colour, what if it's actual literal crowns? Arianna has made it clear that she wants Dorne, half her story is her fighting to be the seen as the heir. Dorne raises independent minded women, I can't imagine her suddenly being all "oh FAegon dear" just because daddy says so.
@indeepgeek I'd love a stream devoted to characters who are secretly other characters. I know there's already been a lot of discussion on the subject on this and many other streams on this channel but I think there's a lot more to say on the topic and I'd love to see you dive into it in your uniquely thoughtful way.
Looking forward to this fun stream. Thanks, Ser Robert. Also caught you on History of Westeros and loved that one as well. Cheers! 🥂 Also @in deep geek I would love a “when in doubt” blood raven sticker or mug!
Your enthusiasm really runs off on me and puts me in a great mood. Love hearing the live streams and the community you've built. Hope you have a lovely weekend. Enjoying this heatwave in Wales ❤
Nice theory but his hosts are usually albino with red eyes (or eye) and not much comes of her overhearing that conversation does it? She tells Ned who still ends up dead.
Hi, Robert! Thank you for all your hard work on this channel. I love these live streams, the discussions and questions that come up make me consider things I've never noticed. Regarding the Beric question and how he was resurrected since only life can pay for life: I'm currently re-reading the series and when Beric tells Arya about coming back from death he mentions that Amory Lorch lured him by holding some beekeepers (or something) hostage. When he shows up to save them, Amory hangs them all anyway with Beric in the middle. When I read this I thought, that's interesting, it's as if Amory made the sacrifice to bring Beric back. Also, regarding Lyanna, it never explicitly states when Jon was born. I've always considered the idea that Lyanna was in labor, a dangerous mortal labor, when Ned arrives. Perhaps Lyanna was in a bed of blood because she was losing the baby. They may have had to cut the baby out, and perhaps Arthur Dayne helped with that with the sword Dawn. "Born under a bleeding star" could relate to that circumstance. And it would give more weight to why Arthur felt honor bound to die by honorable suicide, because he had to essentially kill Lyanna. Just my thoughts, I can't wait to find out more about this story in The Winds of Winter. Thank you so much for all your content in the meantime!
Tyrion finds Tysha. After recruiting all the Dothraki Dany ends up needing more boats, even the Greyjoy fleet isn't enough. Where's the best place to get more ships? Braavos, the place that builds a ship a day (Chekov's boatyard) and the place that is an obvious ally to chain breaker Dany. So, while the Dothraki are travelling across Essos by land to get to a western port, Dany sends people (including Tryion) to Braavos to pick up more ships. While in Braavos Tyrion indulges in his usual whoring, and meets the Sailor's Wife who turns out to be Tysha.
If that's the case I think she'll blame him for the rapes and cast him away, and he'll become more cruel than his father. Tywin and Joanna were apparently very in love while she was alive, it would be interesting to have a mirror of that with Tyrion's love life.
I don't know what, but there has to be more than Ned's pain as to why he wouldn't let the families of his bannermen know where they're buried. Either there's something at the site he couldn't remove or destroy that gives away everything or something was done to the bodies that he doesn't want them to see (most likely the bodies were destroyed for some reason and there are no bones).
Yeah, I find it very weird too. It is quite strange that he wouldn't just bring them with him, it wouldn't be that hard. And even if he couldn't the firdt time, what's stopping him from going back and exhuming them and then bringing them back to their families. It does feel weird that he wouldn't. Also, why not tell them later on? If the tower is torn down, their corpses mostly rotten and the secret preserved, then why not tell them? My theory is, that he maybe just couldn't do so, because they aren't dead. Maybe Lyanna didn't die and just didn't want to marry Robert after Ned told her Rhaegar died. So they are still there and still protect her. Maybe thats why Ned was ready to tell Jon about her when he was at the wall. But I must say its quite silly and improbable. Most likely thisnis just one more of those "Ned is kinda stupid"-moments. Say what you will about Neds sense of honornor his political naivité, he sometimes is just pretty dumb in some regards. Sansa and Joffrey, Littlefinger, Cersei, Jaime and many more. He sometimes is just fundamentally wrong about things and could easily find out that he is, but doesn't out of stubborness or misplaced loyalty. Why protect Cersei and her children? Sure, Tommen and Myrcella are okay, but you can easily protect them. Joffrey is a problem and Cersei too. There is nothing honorable in letting someone steal the throne. Why trust a guy you 100% know has the hots for your wife? Ned is an idiot at times and does stupid things out of stupid reasons. But I sure would like a logical explanation for it.
Tinfoil: Barristan defects to Faegon and recreates the kingsguard of old. During the second Dance, Darkstar will try to kill Dany. Barristan defends Dany instead and dies in service of his true queen, killing Darkstar in the process and leaving Dawn with Dany.
@@jacksonestacado7409 glad you like it!! I really liked IDG’s/anyone else’s suggestion of Barristan going to Faegon, but part of me also would like him to stay with Dany. If Jon is not involved in the second Dance, then I’m holding out hope Barristan will be the one to take on Darkstar. Maybe Arianne will get him though!
I think that "waking the stone dragons" refers to dragonstone -- the giant dragons carved around it. And by that, they mean that they're going to blow up the volcano underneath it. Echoes of old valyria.
I have a funny feeling that the Manderly's may defeat the Frey's but then when approaching Stannis camp will be made to fall through the rotten ice of the lake as Stannis will not know they are friendly. This will further damn Stannis and the cause of the northern alliance
I like the idea that the stone dragon is an outbreak of grayscale from burning shireen, however there are SO many burrowed ideas between ASOIAF and ITLOTE (Robin Hobbs books) that a literal stone dragon coming to life would not surprise me
My thoughts on Bloodraven and his feelings about the Blackfire dynasty is that he says he had a brother than he loved and a brother that he hated, it seems clear that Bittersteel is the brother that he hated due to their family's feuds and their mutual desire for Shiera. But I like to think the brother that he loved isn't King Daeron but Daemon Blackfire, who it's said had a great charisma and perhaps would have been a natural friend to Brynden might have looked up to as his elder also bastard born brother who had risen quite high despite his birth. Leading to Bloodraven only reluctantly, tragically killing him and his sons from a sense of duty rather than out of malice.
2:40:15: what happened to Tower of Joy Maester / servants? Another possibility is that Howland took them to Greywater Watch. It is said that no one can get in - that implies you can't get out either if you don't know the secrets.
@@jonsnowknowsnothing2537 I believe I read that Wylla initially went to Winterfell with Ned and Jon. I'm talking about all of the other "support" people that wouldn't necessarily keep the secret. As I said, the Maester and the servants.
@@Djynni yeah. What I saying is currently she at Starfall. Maybe they were kill by king's guard or ned take them and made swore to never say anything under penalty of death.
I have been going back and watching to videos that came out before the show ended and I have noticed a shift in some ideas and an increased confidence in assertions that came true in the show and where still up in the air as far as the books go. The show is. It cannon and think we have to be careful and take it as a grain of salt
Are these great livestreams in a playlist? This channel has a LOT of them and I looked through some but wasn't seeing a livestream playlist. Might be nice to have for organisational needs
Re: Danys ability to get pregnant. It seems pretty certain that she was pregnant when drogon gets her in the fighting pits and then a accidentally gives herself an abortion by eating juniper berries when she gets sick in the dothraki sea.
Now that's a theory I've never seen that is extremely interesting. Dysentery/the pale mare + an accidental abortion? It's a wonder Dany survived if true.
@@AltSchwiftSiberia really? Heh I thought it was common or I would write it up somewhere. I don't think she has dysentery or the pale mare. Just the juniper berries. Bc in the passage she's actually just showing signs of exhaustion and mild early pregnancy symptoms - until she finds the berries and eats them. She says to herself that she thinks they're safe bc she has tasted them before in food. Well, irl juniper berries are used as a spice. In small amounts and cooked they're safe. Raw and eaten by the handful they absolutely will make you barf your guts up. They'll make you super sick. And the kicker is that they carry a miscarriage risk and - according to a naturopath Dr friend of mine - were used in old school abortion concoctions bc of it. So yeah I'm pretty sure Dany ate handfuls of juniper berries (the description of them matches, too.) and made herself sick and then caused an accidental miscarriage. :D
The thing is the original Azor Ahai did earn it in a way. If you take the story literally, he tried three times to forge the sword and made the ultimate sacrifice in order to succeed. Of course, there's plenty there to NOT take literally (e.g. a man plunging his sword into his wife).
oh and when I first heard the name and description of Robert Baratheon I immediately thought that Baratheon was a little bit of a play on barbarian like Conan I guess. because of how he was described as such a physical force on the battlefield just a little headcanon years ago when I read and saw how Robert was described i just imagined it as Robert "barbarian" Baratheon lol
I don't exactly get why Rhaegar would have considered himself protected by prophecy at The Battle of the Trident. By his own belief, his job was done when Lyanna got pregnant.
The thing about Seastars eyes is not the valerian coloring, but that she has heterochromia, two differently colored eyes, her child would not share that trait and would be way less noticable
NED IS ALIVE! I wish I had been able to watch live because I have a favorite tin foil theory, from way back when I was still active on the ASOIAF message board. I had a hand in flushing it out a lot further then also, though it wasn’t my original theory. I love the theory that Ned is alive still. Varys smuggled him out of the Black Cells. 1. Varys has that ability and a tract record of doing it. 2. Arya didn’t recognize Ned. There is only so much mummers makeup can do, even on a, likely, very thin and pale “Ned” Varys hides him in the Golden Company 1. Varys way of controlling Ned and stopping him from rushing back to aid his family. Assuming Ned gets any news of what’s going on. 2. Ned would be a great ally to rally the North to fake Aegon. 3. There are unaccounted for ships when the Golden Company lands in the Storm Lands. Those are the key arguments. I know it’s tin foil, but I do love it so.
That's definitely one of the strangest I've ever heard. I don't like it at all but yea it's definitely an interesting attempt to try to bring back Ned.
@@dachitronmagnus5755 oh it would be a disaster. It would ruin all the growth by the Stark kids, and just be out of place. But I just keep picturing some alternate prologue to “Winds of Winter” describing a hooded man at the front of the a ship as a strange fleet approaches White Harbor. With a vague internal monologue about revenge. And it ends with the man throwing back his hood, “Eddard Stark had returned to the North, and he was pissed.”
Psychology often say: you are not your thoughts, you are the one monitoring them. I wonder if that works for bloodraven/Bran, but more. Their thoughts and memories are the weirwood network, but the person in control is still them
Howland Reed is a faceless man (much like Arya) & killed everyone at the Tower (including his other companions) Out of loyalty to his friends! ...& because he is really good at keeping secrets!
20:33: why do people like Sebastian Holden (sp) have to be so juvenile? Asking Robert to say things like that O.o If I was Robert I would not just say whatever people tell him to say and I'd ask them to stop.
Such a relief to know I'm not the only one who thinks it's rude... Come on people, treat Robert respectfully, not like a monkey in zoo doing tricks for snacks.
Even if he's a Blackfyre, (F)Aegon could still be considered a Targaryean. Daemon Blackfyre was legitimized and could have claimed the Targaryean name if he'd chose to. Where (F)Aegon comes into question is that his heritage is almost certainly on his mother's side. This doesn't make him a legitimate claimant, however, since he's not of Daeron's line
at 22:00 you discuss Ned sending his spirit into a pigeon… but (at least in the show) he’s looking at the statue of Balor… and greenseers can go into stone…. ??
Robert Strong is the head of Robert Baratheon on the head of the Mountain. Head/face helmeted and always silent. Protective of the Queen. Remember when Maester Q asked for that random dwarfs head saying it would be "useful for my work". Q apparently used parts for his work.
Robert was long dead by time Qyburn arrived in the King's Landing. Keeping a head preserved for any amount of time, but remember that summer was particularly muggy in the Crownlands and I doubt Cersei has access to a refrigerator. The most likely scenario is she had a dwarf beheaded and sent that dwarf's skull to the Dornish.
@@glitchgoblin1338 Yeah, no mini-fridge. Lol. They had the Dwarf head from when they were looking for Tyrion after the murder of the King and they were rounding them all up for a reward. Not sure the shelf life of a dead head to be reanimated. It was just weird that all the effort to conceal the face and the voice was made. And it would have been a vindictive, nasty Cerci-like thing to do to Robert B. It just seems there was a underlying reason.
@@carthaginean it's actually the head of the Pious dwarf who Brienne hung out with for a few. If I recall correctly, someone presented a dwarf's head to Cersei and she noted it had a bulbous nose, the key psychical feature of the Pious dwarf, while Tyrion didn't have a nose anymore by that point in the story.
37:50 - what if "Giants" isn't literal? What if it's "Giants of Their Life", ie. the best each generation has to offer and that's why Starks keep each ruler neetly in storage. Cause the horn is to raise the dead from the graves to fight the other dead raising force. It's great tactic, cause they wouldn't be able to be controllwd by enemy, would already be dead and not require nearly any upkeep and would have a lot of experience and knowledge from their long lifes.
@7:50 Regarding the Hammer of the Waters and the Bering Strait, we have to imagine an ice age so progressed that the glaciers are lowering sea levels. This exposes a marshy, rocky, and fairly barren land bridge that still allows passage for people and animals to migrate. And perhaps the spell itself of the Hammer is a huge rainstorm on the scale of a hurricane, and thats's what tore apart the silty land between the rocky Stepstones, then later flooded the Neck. @47:20 I think that Cersei is already pregnant. Whichever Kettleblack it is she was messing around with got ger with child, and there's some circumstantial evidence of this such as her having trouble fitting into her corset and bodice about two months after the affair starts. She could just be mirroring Robert's descent into decadence, though, which is satisfying from a literary perspective. This is a tinfoil thread after all, so I really do believe that she's pregnant and the excessive drinking and eating is a literary red herring for us to blame her thick waist on.
My tinfoil theories: The planet where Westeros and Essos exists was a lost Earth colony from 100s of thousands of years ago. All the fantastical creatures (dragons) are the results of genetic engineering of Earth humans. All this was forgotten because the colony was lost (external reasons). At some point, humans from the descendants Earth will return but will be even more advanced and evolved. * The Sword of the Morning is from debris from Earth human technology that eventually fell from orbit. Despite what I wrote about genetic engineering, the Children of the Forest, the Giants, and the Weirwood trees are indigenous. If you keep going North you will eventually end up in what is considered the Eastern most part of Essos. Tyrion is a Targaryen and Tywin is not his blood father. Note: I will not claim that I thought them up. Not a theory but I have wondered what an army of humans converted like Gregor Clegane would do against the White Walkers and their army of the undead. Twisted science against magic.
Ned didn’t die, Body glamor switch Like lord of bones/Mance And is in hiding like Griff Others theory The creation of the others threw the seasons out of balance bc they should not exist and upset the natural balance
There's also the Robb died twice theory which implies he was able to warg. Given Robert's theory on how Jon will come back, it can almost be confirmed as foreshadowing given what each one's last word was. Also, the way Robb's body was displayed is another clue. There's probably no way it can be confirmed except by Word of God, but it seems like that one's true. So, not Baelish is not Robb's dad.
that first children of the forest theory reminds me of The Woods one of my fav campy but stylish horror movies where trees can whisper to certain young girls from afar and control them, have influence to get them to a school in the woods, exert control by having women staff feed their bark/roots in food to girls (and a good dad, spoiler), and influence them to perform a ritual that lets the spirits of the trees enter the girls so they can walk the earth. freeeeeuusssss
My tin foil theory is that Tyrion is son of the mad king, who raped Tywin’s wife, thats why he hates Tyrion so much. Evidence, plenty of opportunity, the mismatched eyes, etc. I read the books long ago and I forgot everything that gave me that idea but that’s my theory
Tyrion is the bastard child of the Mad king and Tywins wife. 1. Tyrions mum died in childbirth because she wasn't a Targaryen. 2. cersei says he has a tail to Oberyn, and GRRM loves a hint and twist. I also believe 1 of Danny's dragons will be ridden by him. 3. He designs a saddle so Bran can ride a horse, I believe he will use these plans to build a saddle for a dragon
There seems to be some kind of communication between the others and crastor. At some point they must have worked out their deal to spare him in exchange for his son's.
Hey Robert, you say the pink letter was almost certainly written to goad Jon into attacking, but isn't that based on the assumption that the writer of the letter knows Jon's character and personality already? If it really were written by Ramsay, the purpose could simply have been to scare Jon into submission. Ramsay never met Jon, after all, and in Ramsay's personal experience, people will do everything you want if you just scare them enough. He wouldn't have known Jon would react this way. And of course, the fact that Mance is mentioned so often in the letter could just be because Ramsay just captured Mance, and that's what brought Ramsay's attention to Jon and the Wall in the first place. So it would make sense that Mance is on Ramsay's mind while writing the letter, Mance's presence in Winterfell is literally the proof of Jon's treachery, and the only justification he has for threatening the Night's Watch like that.
I had a thought about the blood magic mom die in childbirth theory. What if when a mother dies, their focus on the hope of their child to be strong and live a good life counts as a sort of blessing intention that some magic speaks the blood of the mother.
I thought the skull sent to Dorne was that of the dwarf who was decapitated by bounty hunters who wrongly thought he was Tyrion? Remember Qynurn asked Cersei if he could have it
Yiti ice/others legend Woods walkers / children of the forest The others were not created by the children (or were) before the continents were broken apart but they poisoned (or used they’re own magic to turn) the weir wood trees for themselves And the children broke the continents apart to save the rest of the weir woods Would explain that there are woods walkers (the children of the forest) in essos and also possibly a connection with the undead/undying ones Dani saw in the house of the undying
15:28 Ok so maybe it’s just me but don’t you think that they will melt down the two blades onto 4 or 6 daggers to increase the killing of others if they can’t make more.
If ice would be reforged by jon (or someone who could) it could be like in the story of azor ahai. I faitly recall that when tywin had it melted down the blacksmith made it with some magic etc to look redish. then there ok pararel to azor ahai story direwolf like the lion ,nissa nissa dany or other jons love intrested later.
If they reformed ice from oathkeeper and widows wail they couldn't call it ice nomore because it wouldn't be pail grayish because if the red color the lanisters put into it
About evolution in ASOIAF - I once saw a theory about the squishers (fish people with legs that go to the shores to rape woman specifically for reproductive purposes) and sounded like a evolutionary missing link. Also water is the product of the extremes, ice + fire, so it fit thematically. Preston Jacobs also did a weird comparison of squishers x white walkers, since both have goals on babies of foreign origins. PJ believes that WW can reproduce but are on decreased fertility due to imbreeding, wich is a recurring theme on the series. So there are several cultures in ASOIAF actively hunting women & babies of other origins to fix their declining clans (like the wildlings do). Humans could be an mix of several creatures.
Tinfoil theory.... bran kills bloodraven while warging hodor after he finds out about jojen paste... hodor sits the wierwood chair... holding the figurative door open to the wierwood net. Ready for bran to reconnect at will via long distance warging. Jon and the 13 need to go north suicide squad style to kill hodor and close the weirwood net to humans and restore equilibrium. I don't know if this has been said before but now it's my head cannon
Hey Robert! I've been a fan for years and finally wanted to say thank you for all of your fantastic content. I know I speak for thousands of people when I say it is greatly appreciated! This livestream was incredible!
Thank you!
@@InDeepGeek, hey there Robert! I'm just now finding this (one year after the fact!) but it's so nice to see a face with the voice. It's weird that I pictured you older, but I can't imagine anyone else narrarating your very informative travels. Thanks again for leading me down an endless rabbit hole of entertainment. Cheers!
My tinfoil theroy: George R R Martin is watching this stream for inspiration.
Robert can inspire anyone!! @indeepgeek is who I listen to when I need inspiration! He's fantastic, smart, and kind 😍
I was thinking the same thing! Every time I watch Robert i am inspired to pick up the books again, he's keeping this fire going. George has probably watched a few videos, who knows?! If George is looking for inspiration or ideas he should bring Robert on board, the books will be finished in no time.
In that case: George! Don't kill all the giants!!!
If only DnD had done so.
Wow, I didn’t think that’s how you would look.
A one off?! Say it ain't so! I would like a tinfoil theory stream, quarterly going forward. Thank you very much!
Quarterly, every 15 mins
I think Dario is skin changed or controlled by Euron using his skills learned by bloodraven and I think the horn of winter requires blood magic to use
It's nice to put a face to the name - I've only recently got into the series and started watching your videos.
This was a WONDERFUL idea for a stream - tinfoil is fun, even if I myself don’t believe 75% of it. The ideas are just entertaining to muse over!
Oh and shoutout to the mods, you guys did a great job of defending Robert’s Wall from marauding Other trolls ❤️
Do you think that the story of Storm's Keeps is a homage to Monty Python's swamp castle?
When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England.
Nice!
Hey, is the keep of Storms End called Storms keep?
I feel horrible the amount of "and all the rest of it" has tragically decreased I hope Robert hasn't been consciously been avoiding saying it. don't think about it just let it rip. let "all the rest of it" keep coming!!! love the channel either way. plus I enjoy drinking when you say it. lol thanks, Robert
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My current favourite tinfoil is that Arianne going to meet FAegon is not about offering herself in marriage for an alliance. She's actually going to be offering Myrcella in marriage.
A Targ-Martel alliance might be god but what better way to secure the throne of the entire country than to have both a Targ and a Baratheon. The last heir of the Targ united with the last heir of Baratheon (Tomlin will have to die for FAegon to be crowned anyway)
Linked to this is Cersei's vision. She is told her three children will have three golden crowns. What if this isn't just about hair colour, what if it's actual literal crowns?
Arianna has made it clear that she wants Dorne, half her story is her fighting to be the seen as the heir. Dorne raises independent minded women, I can't imagine her suddenly being all "oh FAegon dear" just because daddy says so.
Interesting yet plausible theory.
Thank you Robert, I very much enjoyed watching this!!!
@indeepgeek I'd love a stream devoted to characters who are secretly other characters. I know there's already been a lot of discussion on the subject on this and many other streams on this channel but I think there's a lot more to say on the topic and I'd love to see you dive into it in your uniquely thoughtful way.
Greatest thumbnail in the history of this channel? It's gotta be a contender.
Ned gets beheaded and wargs a pigeon, Arya decapites a pigeon in Bravos 😳
Nice connection! Maybe it's meant to be a bit of foreshadowing for Lady Stoneheart.
Just want to say Thank You and looking forward to the stream ❤❤ love to the moderators.
Robert denies lemongate. And my heart shatters
Looking forward to this fun stream. Thanks, Ser Robert. Also caught you on History of Westeros and loved that one as well. Cheers! 🥂 Also @in deep geek I would love a “when in doubt” blood raven sticker or mug!
Your enthusiasm really runs off on me and puts me in a great mood. Love hearing the live streams and the community you've built. Hope you have a lovely weekend. Enjoying this heatwave in Wales ❤
The one eared black cat is Blood Raven leading Arya into the cellars to overhear Varis an Illyrio
Nice theory but his hosts are usually albino with red eyes (or eye) and not much comes of her overhearing that conversation does it? She tells Ned who still ends up dead.
Hi, Robert! Thank you for all your hard work on this channel. I love these live streams, the discussions and questions that come up make me consider things I've never noticed.
Regarding the Beric question and how he was resurrected since only life can pay for life: I'm currently re-reading the series and when Beric tells Arya about coming back from death he mentions that Amory Lorch lured him by holding some beekeepers (or something) hostage. When he shows up to save them, Amory hangs them all anyway with Beric in the middle. When I read this I thought, that's interesting, it's as if Amory made the sacrifice to bring Beric back.
Also, regarding Lyanna, it never explicitly states when Jon was born. I've always considered the idea that Lyanna was in labor, a dangerous mortal labor, when Ned arrives. Perhaps Lyanna was in a bed of blood because she was losing the baby. They may have had to cut the baby out, and perhaps Arthur Dayne helped with that with the sword Dawn. "Born under a bleeding star" could relate to that circumstance. And it would give more weight to why Arthur felt honor bound to die by honorable suicide, because he had to essentially kill Lyanna.
Just my thoughts, I can't wait to find out more about this story in The Winds of Winter. Thank you so much for all your content in the meantime!
Tyrion finds Tysha.
After recruiting all the Dothraki Dany ends up needing more boats, even the Greyjoy fleet isn't enough.
Where's the best place to get more ships? Braavos, the place that builds a ship a day (Chekov's boatyard) and the place that is an obvious ally to chain breaker Dany.
So, while the Dothraki are travelling across Essos by land to get to a western port, Dany sends people (including Tryion) to Braavos to pick up more ships.
While in Braavos Tyrion indulges in his usual whoring, and meets the Sailor's Wife who turns out to be Tysha.
Idk about the Tyrion or Tysha stuff but I like all the rest lol
If that's the case I think she'll blame him for the rapes and cast him away, and he'll become more cruel than his father. Tywin and Joanna were apparently very in love while she was alive, it would be interesting to have a mirror of that with Tyrion's love life.
I don't know what, but there has to be more than Ned's pain as to why he wouldn't let the families of his bannermen know where they're buried. Either there's something at the site he couldn't remove or destroy that gives away everything or something was done to the bodies that he doesn't want them to see (most likely the bodies were destroyed for some reason and there are no bones).
Yeah, I find it very weird too. It is quite strange that he wouldn't just bring them with him, it wouldn't be that hard. And even if he couldn't the firdt time, what's stopping him from going back and exhuming them and then bringing them back to their families. It does feel weird that he wouldn't.
Also, why not tell them later on? If the tower is torn down, their corpses mostly rotten and the secret preserved, then why not tell them?
My theory is, that he maybe just couldn't do so, because they aren't dead. Maybe Lyanna didn't die and just didn't want to marry Robert after Ned told her Rhaegar died. So they are still there and still protect her. Maybe thats why Ned was ready to tell Jon about her when he was at the wall.
But I must say its quite silly and improbable. Most likely thisnis just one more of those "Ned is kinda stupid"-moments. Say what you will about Neds sense of honornor his political naivité, he sometimes is just pretty dumb in some regards. Sansa and Joffrey, Littlefinger, Cersei, Jaime and many more. He sometimes is just fundamentally wrong about things and could easily find out that he is, but doesn't out of stubborness or misplaced loyalty. Why protect Cersei and her children? Sure, Tommen and Myrcella are okay, but you can easily protect them. Joffrey is a problem and Cersei too. There is nothing honorable in letting someone steal the throne. Why trust a guy you 100% know has the hots for your wife? Ned is an idiot at times and does stupid things out of stupid reasons.
But I sure would like a logical explanation for it.
I’d loveeeeee to hear you discuss food and drink in ASOIAF
I love it Robert! Your face lit up when you got the TLOTR ASOIAF crossover! Like little boy.
Came for: ASOIAF tinfoil theories
Stayed for: "All the rest of it"!
I always smile when Robert says that =)
That should be our IDG drinking game - we drink a shot everytime he says it :D
@@kirawisniowiecka excellent idea 👌
Tinfoil: Barristan defects to Faegon and recreates the kingsguard of old. During the second Dance, Darkstar will try to kill Dany. Barristan defends Dany instead and dies in service of his true queen, killing Darkstar in the process and leaving Dawn with Dany.
I don't know if that's tinfoil, but it sounds like a good storyline if it were told in length.
Then you can say George stole your idea.
@@jacksonestacado7409 glad you like it!! I really liked IDG’s/anyone else’s suggestion of Barristan going to Faegon, but part of me also would like him to stay with Dany. If Jon is not involved in the second Dance, then I’m holding out hope Barristan will be the one to take on Darkstar. Maybe Arianne will get him though!
I think that "waking the stone dragons" refers to dragonstone -- the giant dragons carved around it. And by that, they mean that they're going to blow up the volcano underneath it. Echoes of old valyria.
I think it would be cool for Bran the Broken to reforge the Horn of Winter since Bran the Breaker broke it - mirroring.
I have a funny feeling that the Manderly's may defeat the Frey's but then when approaching Stannis camp will be made to fall through the rotten ice of the lake as Stannis will not know they are friendly. This will further damn Stannis and the cause of the northern alliance
Daaaang. I hadn't thought of that possibility. It would be so tragic and terrible.
I like the idea that the stone dragon is an outbreak of grayscale from burning shireen, however there are SO many burrowed ideas between ASOIAF and ITLOTE (Robin Hobbs books) that a literal stone dragon coming to life would not surprise me
Great video. I always enjoy your livestreams.
Sorry I missed it live but so glad I'm able to play it later. Robert at 2X speed is 2X as good.
My thoughts on Bloodraven and his feelings about the Blackfire dynasty is that he says he had a brother than he loved and a brother that he hated, it seems clear that Bittersteel is the brother that he hated due to their family's feuds and their mutual desire for Shiera. But I like to think the brother that he loved isn't King Daeron but Daemon Blackfire, who it's said had a great charisma and perhaps would have been a natural friend to Brynden might have looked up to as his elder also bastard born brother who had risen quite high despite his birth. Leading to Bloodraven only reluctantly, tragically killing him and his sons from a sense of duty rather than out of malice.
2:40:15: what happened to Tower of Joy Maester / servants? Another possibility is that Howland took them to Greywater Watch. It is said that no one can get in - that implies you can't get out either if you don't know the secrets.
No we know wylla is at house dayne. Ned dayne say he Jon are milk brothers. Because of wylla
@@jonsnowknowsnothing2537 I believe I read that Wylla initially went to Winterfell with Ned and Jon. I'm talking about all of the other "support" people that wouldn't necessarily keep the secret. As I said, the Maester and the servants.
@@Djynni yeah. What I saying is currently she at Starfall. Maybe they were kill by king's guard or ned take them and made swore to never say anything under penalty of death.
I absolutely love the phrase (about Cat) "will be willing to die PROPERLY" xD
In Deep!!!!!!!
Geeeeeeeek!!!!!!!!
1:50
The old mods and the new
“Did Ned warg a pigeon”? Lol, that’s worthy of a t-shirt
You need to do a video about what Littlefinger will do in the winds of winter!
I have been going back and watching to videos that came out before the show ended and I have noticed a shift in some ideas and an increased confidence in assertions that came true in the show and where still up in the air as far as the books go. The show is. It cannon and think we have to be careful and take it as a grain of salt
Love you, Robert! Please do another theory livestream this was so good - wish I could have caught it live.
Tin foil theory: Benjen is in bloodravens cave healing from wounds and will be the one to help guide bran out of the caves and back to the wall
Are these great livestreams in a playlist? This channel has a LOT of them and I looked through some but wasn't seeing a livestream playlist. Might be nice to have for organisational needs
Love the unicorn of skagos are aquatic idea ^^
Re: Danys ability to get pregnant. It seems pretty certain that she was pregnant when drogon gets her in the fighting pits and then a accidentally gives herself an abortion by eating juniper berries when she gets sick in the dothraki sea.
Now that's a theory I've never seen that is extremely interesting. Dysentery/the pale mare + an accidental abortion? It's a wonder Dany survived if true.
@@AltSchwiftSiberia really? Heh I thought it was common or I would write it up somewhere. I don't think she has dysentery or the pale mare. Just the juniper berries. Bc in the passage she's actually just showing signs of exhaustion and mild early pregnancy symptoms - until she finds the berries and eats them. She says to herself that she thinks they're safe bc she has tasted them before in food. Well, irl juniper berries are used as a spice. In small amounts and cooked they're safe. Raw and eaten by the handful they absolutely will make you barf your guts up. They'll make you super sick. And the kicker is that they carry a miscarriage risk and - according to a naturopath Dr friend of mine - were used in old school abortion concoctions bc of it. So yeah I'm pretty sure Dany ate handfuls of juniper berries (the description of them matches, too.) and made herself sick and then caused an accidental miscarriage. :D
Oh! I hadn’t thought of that but that is spot on! I’m so here for this!
The thing is the original Azor Ahai did earn it in a way. If you take the story literally, he tried three times to forge the sword and made the ultimate sacrifice in order to succeed. Of course, there's plenty there to NOT take literally (e.g. a man plunging his sword into his wife).
oh and when I first heard the name and description of Robert Baratheon I immediately thought that Baratheon was a little bit of a play on barbarian like Conan I guess. because of how he was described as such a physical force on the battlefield just a little headcanon years ago when I read and saw how Robert was described i just imagined it as Robert "barbarian" Baratheon lol
The biggest tinfoil theory on this video is the assumption there will be two more books.
I don't exactly get why Rhaegar would have considered himself protected by prophecy at The Battle of the Trident. By his own belief, his job was done when Lyanna got pregnant.
The thing about Seastars eyes is not the valerian coloring, but that she has heterochromia, two differently colored eyes, her child would not share that trait and would be way less noticable
Great stream
3 hours 35.... epic 👌👍 thank you indeepgeek 🙌🙌🙌
Robert actually is George R. R. Martin. The guy we think is George is a paid actor
Wow! I love this format!
NED IS ALIVE!
I wish I had been able to watch live because I have a favorite tin foil theory, from way back when I was still active on the ASOIAF message board. I had a hand in flushing it out a lot further then also, though it wasn’t my original theory. I love the theory that Ned is alive still.
Varys smuggled him out of the Black Cells.
1. Varys has that ability and a tract record of doing it.
2. Arya didn’t recognize Ned. There is only so much mummers makeup can do, even on a, likely, very thin and pale “Ned”
Varys hides him in the Golden Company
1. Varys way of controlling Ned and stopping him from rushing back to aid his family. Assuming Ned gets any news of what’s going on.
2. Ned would be a great ally to rally the North to fake Aegon.
3. There are unaccounted for ships when the Golden Company lands in the Storm Lands.
Those are the key arguments. I know it’s tin foil, but I do love it so.
That's definitely one of the strangest I've ever heard. I don't like it at all but yea it's definitely an interesting attempt to try to bring back Ned.
@@dachitronmagnus5755 oh it would be a disaster. It would ruin all the growth by the Stark kids, and just be out of place. But I just keep picturing some alternate prologue to “Winds of Winter” describing a hooded man at the front of the a ship as a strange fleet approaches White Harbor. With a vague internal monologue about revenge. And it ends with the man throwing back his hood, “Eddard Stark had returned to the North, and he was pissed.”
Psychology often say: you are not your thoughts, you are the one monitoring them.
I wonder if that works for bloodraven/Bran, but more.
Their thoughts and memories are the weirwood network, but the person in control is still them
Howland Reed is a faceless man (much like Arya) & killed everyone at the Tower (including his other companions)
Out of loyalty to his friends!
...& because he is really good at keeping secrets!
I’d love to be involved with this. But we’re talking about books that probably won’t come out until the author dies and someone finishes them for him.
20:33: why do people like Sebastian Holden (sp) have to be so juvenile? Asking Robert to say things like that O.o If I was Robert I would not just say whatever people tell him to say and I'd ask them to stop.
Such a relief to know I'm not the only one who thinks it's rude... Come on people, treat Robert respectfully, not like a monkey in zoo doing tricks for snacks.
The real question is why are you so sensitive?
Even if he's a Blackfyre, (F)Aegon could still be considered a Targaryean. Daemon Blackfyre was legitimized and could have claimed the Targaryean name if he'd chose to. Where (F)Aegon comes into question is that his heritage is almost certainly on his mother's side. This doesn't make him a legitimate claimant, however, since he's not of Daeron's line
I think hes the child of rhaegar and lyanna
at 22:00 you discuss Ned sending his spirit into a pigeon… but (at least in the show) he’s looking at the statue of Balor… and greenseers can go into stone…. ??
Best video!
Robert Strong is the head of Robert Baratheon on the head of the Mountain. Head/face helmeted and always silent. Protective of the Queen. Remember when Maester Q asked for that random dwarfs head saying it would be "useful for my work". Q apparently used parts for his work.
Robert was long dead by time Qyburn arrived in the King's Landing. Keeping a head preserved for any amount of time, but remember that summer was particularly muggy in the Crownlands and I doubt Cersei has access to a refrigerator. The most likely scenario is she had a dwarf beheaded and sent that dwarf's skull to the Dornish.
@@glitchgoblin1338 Yeah, no mini-fridge. Lol. They had the Dwarf head from when they were looking for Tyrion after the murder of the King and they were rounding them all up for a reward. Not sure the shelf life of a dead head to be reanimated. It was just weird that all the effort to conceal the face and the voice was made. And it would have been a vindictive, nasty Cerci-like thing to do to Robert B. It just seems there was a underlying reason.
@@carthaginean it's actually the head of the Pious dwarf who Brienne hung out with for a few. If I recall correctly, someone presented a dwarf's head to Cersei and she noted it had a bulbous nose, the key psychical feature of the Pious dwarf, while Tyrion didn't have a nose anymore by that point in the story.
Dragonstone's dragons...especially where Davos scould swear he saw one move...
They should not reforge the two swords that were previously called ice. But get them back from lanisters and renamed ice .... And fire
Seasons 8 was a remake of John Carpenter’s version of The Thing.
Also, Danny wasn’t “mad”. Olena told her not to listen to men, so she didn’t.
Fun fact: the actual Night King actor also played Batman Begins' 'Joe Chill'. Typecasting??
"Da faa.....,,, did I see a merman or do I need to go to sleep ... "
If Tommen dies the same way in the books there is no way he'll be able to return, his body will be pulverized
37:50 - what if "Giants" isn't literal? What if it's "Giants of Their Life", ie. the best each generation has to offer and that's why Starks keep each ruler neetly in storage. Cause the horn is to raise the dead from the graves to fight the other dead raising force. It's great tactic, cause they wouldn't be able to be controllwd by enemy, would already be dead and not require nearly any upkeep and would have a lot of experience and knowledge from their long lifes.
@7:50 Regarding the Hammer of the Waters and the Bering Strait, we have to imagine an ice age so progressed that the glaciers are lowering sea levels. This exposes a marshy, rocky, and fairly barren land bridge that still allows passage for people and animals to migrate. And perhaps the spell itself of the Hammer is a huge rainstorm on the scale of a hurricane, and thats's what tore apart the silty land between the rocky Stepstones, then later flooded the Neck.
@47:20 I think that Cersei is already pregnant. Whichever Kettleblack it is she was messing around with got ger with child, and there's some circumstantial evidence of this such as her having trouble fitting into her corset and bodice about two months after the affair starts. She could just be mirroring Robert's descent into decadence, though, which is satisfying from a literary perspective. This is a tinfoil thread after all, so I really do believe that she's pregnant and the excessive drinking and eating is a literary red herring for us to blame her thick waist on.
12:30 i think bran the breaker broke the pact with the children of the forest.
My tinfoil theories:
The planet where Westeros and Essos exists was a lost Earth colony from 100s of thousands of years ago. All the fantastical creatures (dragons) are the results of genetic engineering of Earth humans. All this was forgotten because the colony was lost (external reasons). At some point, humans from the descendants Earth will return but will be even more advanced and evolved.
* The Sword of the Morning is from debris from Earth human technology that eventually fell from orbit.
Despite what I wrote about genetic engineering, the Children of the Forest, the Giants, and the Weirwood trees are indigenous.
If you keep going North you will eventually end up in what is considered the Eastern most part of Essos.
Tyrion is a Targaryen and Tywin is not his blood father.
Note: I will not claim that I thought them up.
Not a theory but I have wondered what an army of humans converted like Gregor Clegane would do against the White Walkers and their army of the undead. Twisted science against magic.
Ned didn’t die, Body glamor switch
Like lord of bones/Mance
And is in hiding like Griff
Others theory
The creation of the others threw the seasons out of balance bc they should not exist and upset the natural balance
There's also the Robb died twice theory which implies he was able to warg. Given Robert's theory on how Jon will come back, it can almost be confirmed as foreshadowing given what each one's last word was. Also, the way Robb's body was displayed is another clue. There's probably no way it can be confirmed except by Word of God, but it seems like that one's true. So, not Baelish is not Robb's dad.
What were their last words?
that first children of the forest theory reminds me of The Woods one of my fav campy but stylish horror movies where trees can whisper to certain young girls from afar and control them, have influence to get them to a school in the woods, exert control by having women staff feed their bark/roots in food to girls (and a good dad, spoiler), and influence them to perform a ritual that lets the spirits of the trees enter the girls so they can walk the earth. freeeeeuusssss
Of course👍 good video
cool format, do more pls
Gandalf's plans:
Step 1 - take a Hobbit out of the Shire
Step 2 -
Step 3 - Profit
"the gods won't do anything directly" the Many Faced God stepped in riots save Tyrion Twice in trial by combat
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My tin foil theory is that Tyrion is son of the mad king, who raped Tywin’s wife, thats why he hates Tyrion so much. Evidence, plenty of opportunity, the mismatched eyes, etc. I read the books long ago and I forgot everything that gave me that idea but that’s my theory
Tyrion is the bastard child of the Mad king and Tywins wife.
1. Tyrions mum died in childbirth because she wasn't a Targaryen.
2. cersei says he has a tail to Oberyn, and GRRM loves a hint and twist. I also believe 1 of Danny's dragons will be ridden by him.
3. He designs a saddle so Bran can ride a horse, I believe he will use these plans to build a saddle for a dragon
Bloodraven's character reminds me of Saruman
There seems to be some kind of communication between the others and crastor. At some point they must have worked out their deal to spare him in exchange for his son's.
Hey Robert, you say the pink letter was almost certainly written to goad Jon into attacking, but isn't that based on the assumption that the writer of the letter knows Jon's character and personality already? If it really were written by Ramsay, the purpose could simply have been to scare Jon into submission. Ramsay never met Jon, after all, and in Ramsay's personal experience, people will do everything you want if you just scare them enough. He wouldn't have known Jon would react this way.
And of course, the fact that Mance is mentioned so often in the letter could just be because Ramsay just captured Mance, and that's what brought Ramsay's attention to Jon and the Wall in the first place. So it would make sense that Mance is on Ramsay's mind while writing the letter, Mance's presence in Winterfell is literally the proof of Jon's treachery, and the only justification he has for threatening the Night's Watch like that.
I had a thought about the blood magic mom die in childbirth theory.
What if when a mother dies, their focus on the hope of their child to be strong and live a good life counts as a sort of blessing intention that some magic speaks the blood of the mother.
@ 21:53 Ned Stark warged onto a pigeon and then Arya killed it in Bravos to eat. Ha ha Jk
the north remembers refers to the weirwood network
If the Danes were assisting the ToJ then couldn't they have retrieved the bones at a later time?
I thought the skull sent to Dorne was that of the dwarf who was decapitated by bounty hunters who wrongly thought he was Tyrion? Remember Qynurn asked Cersei if he could have it
Perhaps the sword might be called Fire or have Ice and Fire as swords at the end... though i do see George pulling our leg by not doing that.
i just noticed how we know nothing about Ned's mother
I need that blood raven shirt
Yiti ice/others legend
Woods walkers / children of the forest
The others were not created by the children (or were) before the continents were broken apart but they poisoned (or used they’re own magic to turn) the weir wood trees for themselves
And the children broke the continents apart to save the rest of the weir woods
Would explain that there are woods walkers (the children of the forest) in essos and also possibly a connection with the undead/undying ones Dani saw in the house of the undying
15:28 Ok so maybe it’s just me but don’t you think that they will melt down the two blades onto 4 or 6 daggers to increase the killing of others if they can’t make more.
Is Taena Merryweather a plant of either Littlefinger or Varys?
Watch cersei and taena from Preston Jacobs. He claims they are faegon supporters so varys plant.
@@therandomsheep
Ok. Thanks for answering my question. I appreciate it. I will definitely check out the video.
If ice would be reforged by jon (or someone who could) it could be like in the story of azor ahai. I faitly recall that when tywin had it melted down the blacksmith made it with some magic etc to look redish. then there ok pararel to azor ahai story direwolf like the lion ,nissa nissa dany or other jons love intrested later.
If they reformed ice from oathkeeper and widows wail they couldn't call it ice nomore because it wouldn't be pail grayish because if the red color the lanisters put into it
About evolution in ASOIAF - I once saw a theory about the squishers (fish people with legs that go to the shores to rape woman specifically for reproductive purposes) and sounded like a evolutionary missing link.
Also water is the product of the extremes, ice + fire, so it fit thematically.
Preston Jacobs also did a weird comparison of squishers x white walkers, since both have goals on babies of foreign origins. PJ believes that WW can reproduce but are on decreased fertility due to imbreeding, wich is a recurring theme on the series. So there are several cultures in ASOIAF actively hunting women & babies of other origins to fix their declining clans (like the wildlings do). Humans could be an mix of several creatures.
Ice 2: Gelid Boogaloo
Tinfoil theory.... bran kills bloodraven while warging hodor after he finds out about jojen paste... hodor sits the wierwood chair... holding the figurative door open to the wierwood net. Ready for bran to reconnect at will via long distance warging. Jon and the 13 need to go north suicide squad style to kill hodor and close the weirwood net to humans and restore equilibrium.
I don't know if this has been said before but now it's my head cannon