I've always assumed that after the series is over we will still be able to argue on who Azor Ahai is, Jon or Dany or whoever. And GRRM will laugh at us because in his mind it was some random secondary character the whole time.
Super late on this but I was rereading storm of swords and in jaimes dream sequence, he seemed very much like Jaime targaryen, the last hero who will fight the darkness with bright roar and perform his final act for mankind when he strangles his royal sister for corrupting the realm as a night queen esque figure (she is already raising the dead). This seems to both make sense in terms of reflecting the tale of the last hero using his lovers breast to quench the hope of men, and the valenquar prophecy circe hears. It would also allow the targaryen twins to die together as they came into the world and has the same tragic undertones Jaime has had since he was introduced. I actually really think this tinfoil will turn out to be valerian steel
I’m thinking as I watch this (and it seems pretty confirmed that Jon and Dany end up together even in the books) maybe the ice cold member Dany dreams of is Jon’s after his resurrection into a fire weight? This could put an interesting twist on Mirri’s prophecy that Dany will never have another living child. Maybe Jon does get her pregnant, but the child they have is not technically alive and is part weight as well. Although I wouldn’t expect the child to live long, I think it would likely be some kind of bargaining chip or sacrifice to end the long night. The child is the song of ice and fire.
Sir or Miss don't listen to the show version of prophecies they change many of prophecies. In the start of show the Witch says Dany wouldn't child until the Mountain fall etc. In end of joke of series, she no children whatsoever. They change Cersi story too by delete the little brother prophecy.
@@sophiawilson8696 I don’t. The show ending sucked hard. I’m basing this guess off the prophecies in the books, where Mirri says she will bear no living children
Bummed I worked during the stream, but thanks for answering my question! I have also theorized maybe the “night king” was named Jon Snow. Cool to hear we’re on the same wave length!
47:00 I never visualised Brienne as ugly. I see her more as not meeting the Westerosi conception of "classical beauty." I feel she is quite beautiful in a more unconventional sense. Because she doesnt have Cersei/Margaery style beauty, she is constantly called "ugly" because people are cruel like that. And of course Brienne has come to believe it after being tormented her whole life.
It’s interesting how you reference Harry Potter in the prophecy question as it’s quite explicitly stated by Dumbledore that prophecy only matters to people who put stock in it. Would the HP prophecy be fulfilled if it wasn’t heard? There are loads of prophecies within the hall of prophecy that no one had heard or acted upon. Matched GRRM with the idea that it’s it the prophecy itself but the reaction to it
Every Prophecy is a sword with two edges no safe place to grab it . Dosh khaleen see the stalion who mounts the world in the flames and Miri Maz Dur try to for stoles that and ends up fulfilling the prophecy. Melisandre see in the flames Renly smashing Stannis at King’s Landing and kills him,her action have direct result exactly what she sees in her flame…She see daggers in the dark and send Pink Leter to Jon in what she believes is saving him but ends up fulfilling that prophecy…Maggy the Frog say to Cercy about the Younger more beautiful Queen and her direct actions end up with the death of her last child Tommen (in the show) …Dany will do the same with her visions in the house of the undying
In the story of Dances of Dragon there was certain Blacksmith who believes he going be King cause he swing a Hammer. This was during Blacks vs Greens guess what happen to him? .That was Robert's future! Which 125 years later. Be ware of Prophecies.
Except using long sword by gripping the blade was a common practice. It's called half-swording. It was used to better pierce mail, providing a more stable and power point of pressure.
Hey community, correct me if I'm wrong. Having not read the books, only watched videos on the Dunk & Egg series, wasn't it Baelor Breakspear who was killed in the trial by seven? Robert said Maekar (who is Egg's father, I believe), not for the first time and it always confuses me when he says it. Cause didn't he (Maekar) become King eventually? 🤷🏾♀️ Great stream as always though. Keep the great work coming!
Can we discuss possible house marriage arrangements that might happen in the books and one's that would just be fun to think about? For example: What if Robb Stark had not needed the Frey marriage alliance and instead was able to marry say Margaery Tyrell. Catelyn Stark was there the night Renly was murdered...what if she was able to broker a marriage arrangement with House Tyrell? Or Loras to Sansa (I know they were trying to get Sansa and Arya back...but these are what ifs)? Possible characters to discuss..... Robb Stark (if he had survived/different path) Jamie Lannister Daenerys Targaryen Sansa Stark Arya Stark Rickon Stark Petyr Baelish Tyrion Lannister Cersei Lannister Tommen Lannister Myrcella Lannister Lancel Lannister Tywin Lannister Roose Bolton
A prophecy does not have to come true. The ancient Greek word προφήτης, he who speaks, places the emphasis on the person giving it NOT the message itself. It seems to me that GRRM is more interested in literary foreshadowing and it's fulfillment in the story.
Keep in mind, she's only like 13-14 at this time. She's still going through puberty and learning herself, it's not surprising she has a lot of sexual dreams
I've always assumed that after the series is over we will still be able to argue on who Azor Ahai is, Jon or Dany or whoever.
And GRRM will laugh at us because in his mind it was some random secondary character the whole time.
Looking forward to this one, mate. Cheers! 🥂🍻 Thanks for the speedy intro…😆😉
Thanks for another great livestream!
Super late on this but I was rereading storm of swords and in jaimes dream sequence, he seemed very much like Jaime targaryen, the last hero who will fight the darkness with bright roar and perform his final act for mankind when he strangles his royal sister for corrupting the realm as a night queen esque figure (she is already raising the dead). This seems to both make sense in terms of reflecting the tale of the last hero using his lovers breast to quench the hope of men, and the valenquar prophecy circe hears. It would also allow the targaryen twins to die together as they came into the world and has the same tragic undertones Jaime has had since he was introduced. I actually really think this tinfoil will turn out to be valerian steel
Well it makes sense, doesn't it? Jaime is a Targ
I’m thinking as I watch this (and it seems pretty confirmed that Jon and Dany end up together even in the books) maybe the ice cold member Dany dreams of is Jon’s after his resurrection into a fire weight? This could put an interesting twist on Mirri’s prophecy that Dany will never have another living child. Maybe Jon does get her pregnant, but the child they have is not technically alive and is part weight as well. Although I wouldn’t expect the child to live long, I think it would likely be some kind of bargaining chip or sacrifice to end the long night. The child is the song of ice and fire.
Oooooh that makes a lot of sense actually. I was originally thinking it was metaphorical but that works as well
Sir or Miss don't listen to the show version of prophecies they change many of prophecies. In the start of show the Witch says Dany wouldn't child until the Mountain fall etc. In end of joke of series, she no children whatsoever. They change Cersi story too by delete the little brother prophecy.
Interesting idea and it is fire wight.
@@sophiawilson8696 I don’t. The show ending sucked hard. I’m basing this guess off the prophecies in the books, where Mirri says she will bear no living children
Bummed I worked during the stream, but thanks for answering my question! I have also theorized maybe the “night king” was named Jon Snow. Cool to hear we’re on the same wave length!
And as I typed this you answered my second question 😅 how cool! I had not thought of Bran coming back through the tunnels, that’s a really great take
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47:00 I never visualised Brienne as ugly. I see her more as not meeting the Westerosi conception of "classical beauty." I feel she is quite beautiful in a more unconventional sense. Because she doesnt have Cersei/Margaery style beauty, she is constantly called "ugly" because people are cruel like that. And of course Brienne has come to believe it after being tormented her whole life.
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It’s interesting how you reference Harry Potter in the prophecy question as it’s quite explicitly stated by Dumbledore that prophecy only matters to people who put stock in it. Would the HP prophecy be fulfilled if it wasn’t heard? There are loads of prophecies within the hall of prophecy that no one had heard or acted upon.
Matched GRRM with the idea that it’s it the prophecy itself but the reaction to it
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Every Prophecy is a sword with two edges no safe place to grab it . Dosh khaleen see the stalion who mounts the world in the flames and Miri Maz Dur try to for stoles that and ends up fulfilling the prophecy. Melisandre see in the flames Renly smashing Stannis at King’s Landing and kills him,her action have direct result exactly what she sees in her flame…She see daggers in the dark and send Pink Leter to Jon in what she believes is saving him but ends up fulfilling that prophecy…Maggy the Frog say to Cercy about the Younger more beautiful Queen and her direct actions end up with the death of her last child Tommen (in the show) …Dany will do the same with her visions in the house of the undying
In the story of Dances of Dragon there was certain Blacksmith who believes he going be King cause he swing a Hammer. This was during Blacks vs Greens guess what happen to him? .That was Robert's future! Which 125 years later. Be ware of Prophecies.
Except using long sword by gripping the blade was a common practice. It's called half-swording. It was used to better pierce mail, providing a more stable and power point of pressure.
Hey community, correct me if I'm wrong. Having not read the books, only watched videos on the Dunk & Egg series, wasn't it Baelor Breakspear who was killed in the trial by seven? Robert said Maekar (who is Egg's father, I believe), not for the first time and it always confuses me when he says it. Cause didn't he (Maekar) become King eventually? 🤷🏾♀️
Great stream as always though. Keep the great work coming!
Yes, it was Baelor. I mis-spoke! He was killed be Maekar.
The misunderstanding aside...I'm just stoked that Robert himself responded to my comment! 💃🏾💃🏾
Can we discuss possible house marriage arrangements that might happen in the books and one's that would just be fun to think about? For example: What if Robb Stark had not needed the Frey marriage alliance and instead was able to marry say Margaery Tyrell. Catelyn Stark was there the night Renly was murdered...what if she was able to broker a marriage arrangement with House Tyrell? Or Loras to Sansa (I know they were trying to get Sansa and Arya back...but these are what ifs)?
Possible characters to discuss.....
Robb Stark (if he had survived/different path)
Jamie Lannister
Daenerys Targaryen
Sansa Stark
Arya Stark
Rickon Stark
Petyr Baelish
Tyrion Lannister
Cersei Lannister
Tommen Lannister
Myrcella Lannister
Lancel Lannister
Tywin Lannister
Roose Bolton
A prophecy does not have to come true. The ancient Greek word προφήτης, he who speaks, places the emphasis on the person giving it NOT the message itself. It seems to me that GRRM is more interested in literary foreshadowing and it's fulfillment in the story.
Such a cool stream! Thanks IDG!
Keep in mind, she's only like 13-14 at this time. She's still going through puberty and learning herself, it's not surprising she has a lot of sexual dreams
It's only natural considering she is flowering hormonally
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Potato vision/audio. What happened?
Woke rings of power is going to cripple any near future middle earth films/tv series.
..... what? What are you even talking about
@@nataliealphonse4634 the cast is not all white. That's what he means
@@nataliealphonse4634 people don't like seeing black people on screen. So they white angry comments.
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@@Micheal93kit was shit
Doesn't matter how awesome the CGI is, too much is not accurate. Not interested.