@@elaxter I listen to many videos several times - at least once while going to sleep. It's a real thing. Only good ones make it into my sleep list. I don't want junk going into my brain while sleeping.
To anyone waiting for more A History of Britain, its still coming. I threw this together in a few days as a break from writing the next script, hopefully I should have something in November.
@18:23 Rudolph. "Never has a man through such actions saved the lives of so many." Not only did he save lives, due to the thick fog, the presents would never have been delivered on time, if it wasn't for him.
The small differences in the symbolic depictions in the Zodiac might actually give a small clue to the language of the author of the Voynich manuscript, as it can reflect the names of these signs in a specific language or even a specific time and location (as language and knowledge changes). There are actually different translations of the Zodiac signs in different languages, who by themselves create a folk-understanding how people would interpret them In Swedish the Zodiac sign and constellation "Cancer" is called "the crayfish" ("kräftan"). This is a mistranslation but an understandable one, as the Latin word "cancer" can refer to several different types of crustaceans - but the Zodiac sign does really signify a crab (since antiquity). But the drawings in the VM could very well be a couple of crayfish. The same with the Sagittarius - it's called "the shooter" ("skytten") in Swedish and is thus not describing a mythological creature but only a non-descript (presumed human) shooter. So if we pretend the author of the VM was a native Swedish speaker with a local folk-understanding of these signs, these alterations make sense. The shooter is simply understood as a human shooter and cancer is crayfish. (If we supposed the author was Finnish, the sagittarius would be called "the archer" so there wouldn't be any crossbow). I don't believe the author was Swedish as we wouldn't have that kind of talent back then. But these words for zodiac signs are also found other European languages, such as Czech: where "cancer" is "rak" - "the crayfish", and Sagittarius is "the shooter" (Střelec). And there might be others which I don't know but Czech for me is a pretty hot contender as the trail begins in Bohemia. (If the word "crayfish" could understood as a plural in a language I'd say it is a pretty hot lead - I don't know if it is possible in Czech though). Note that it only partially matches in German where Sagittarius is called "the shooter", but Cancer is called "the crab". It needs to be explored further.
It's the same in serbian. Cancer= рак (rak) which means crab but can also refer to crayfish and sagittarius= стрелац (strelac) the shooter, the archer. I don't think it's likely to be linked to the Serbian language but it's fun seeing the similarities with Czech
I have the highest compliment I can think of for your talent as a presenter. I have lived my entire life with extreme ADHD and every side effect that comes with it. Dyslexia ~ has kept me from learning. I was held back in elementary for my lack of reading prowess. But now we have RUclips! and brilliant people like you who share their knowledge with the world. Now I am learning! You can hold the attention of someone who was regarded as stupid and useless for half a century, because there were too many words to read. Thanx to teachers like you I have a passion for history. But you especially have a magical voice that captures and keeps my interest in what you’re teaching. Usually my brain 🧠 shuts down and I go into a dark shut down for a bit. I can see and feel it’s weight as it covers over me. Now I’ve found you and I’m learning. you’ve even inspired me to do what I can to improve my reading. Sadly I can still get the heavy dark fog but I can shake it off now. Thank you, BRAVO 👏 with my greatest respect and affection, love from Calgary Alberta CANADA 🇨🇦 🥰
I am having a similar issue--having studied and taught university for ages, and just being an avid reader, my eyes have given out on me! I truly appreciate all the reference material set forth in these podcasts and the visuals are particularly exciting! I must comment on the COMPLETELY WRONG idea that anyone, especially a scholar, could theorized DaVinci would ever place his name and reputation on such a simplistic work. The drawings look more like those done by Dr. Seuss with a perverse obsession of the female body (maybe I could write a text in an "after" Dr. Seuss fashion!). DaVinci would never pen such a simplistic array! And, being a leftie, writing mirror image is normal/easy for us. You can tell the difference in the pen-strokes of DaVinci's work compared to those in the manuscript. DaVinci starts from the right and writes to the left--the normal way for lefties to write--mirror image without a flaw. The VC is written from left to right. I must comment on the impressive penmanship of all these works-the lost art of a brilliant mind proud of the thoughts/wisdom proffered!
I have ADHD too and I use my kindle on a really large font to help me read. I struggle with physical books because I need the font to be massive so I don’t get distracted by the other sentences on the page!
"Nobody would spend such a large amount of money on parchment and not use it till after they have died" Me an artist: looks nervously at the hundreds of dollars worth of empty fine paper sketchbooks in the corner of my studio.
Right, but imagine if it wasn't hundreds of dollars worth of sketchbooks, but more like hundreds upon hundreds of dollars per PAGE of each sketchbook...
@@jasonmoore7223 it's actually the perfect time to point it out. It's a fine joke and all but ensuring people don't buy the joke as truth with a benign clarifying comment is perfectly fine.
I love that so many of us find your voices so soothing, and that you've become a part of many nightly routines! Please don't think for a second that we don't appreciate the content!😅 We go back amd listen to them throughout the day as well and everything is SO informative and educational. Thank you both for your dedication and work!
I've been bingeing these while I work at a manufacturing job, I really appreciate these. They keep my mind working wile I do my relatively mindless job.
I am so grateful to you for taking the time to do this video. Content like this isn't put together in an afternoon - even the shortest of presentations can take days. You did an excellent job with this fascinating subject!! Might I dare to suggest you make some based on other mysterious books such as the Rohonc Codex? Thank you for all that you do sir.
Risible is the suggestion that Leonardo of Vinci created the manuscript. Anyone who has ever so much as glanced at Leonardo's sketchbooks would never attribute the crude doodles of the VM to him.
You should consider left handed people have only one way to write in fluid motion without smearing the ink and that is mirror writing! Da Vinci was left handed! Excuse my bad grammar... i´m German :P
Your doco is like art!!! All artists step back and see the mistakes when everyone else sees pure genius. Thank you so much for providing this absolutely enthralling deep dive.
I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of this, and the previous Voynich Manuscript video. I could easily listen to you talk about it for another three hours!
Good one! I love the longer, in depth vid!!! It seems I just get into a vid and then they end. How does one learn that much from a ten minute vid! Great job!
I don't think that green for the water is actually meant to be green. It looks like blue that's oxidized into a green, as some spots are more blue than others.
I'm telling you, the bathing women are nymphs, plant spirits, and the green baths are leaves. It's an illustration of somebody's idea of the life process of plants.
I'm not sure it came up in your research but parchment didn't actually have to sit idle for decades before the use in the manuscript. Palimpsest is the practice of scraping/washing off old writing so it could be reused and was rather common. I'm not sure how common it was in the 15th century but it was widely practiced before the 11th century.
@@MrFrenchfanfan Not with youtube analysis. If the provenance was actually shown, none of these charlatans would have anything to do. They'd have to play video games 100 percent of their lives, instead of 90.
Could it be possible the “women” in the green liquid are actually the writer trying to describe the breakdown of the digestive tract and this is an intestine tract where the “women” represent some living thing the writer knew broke down food but didn’t understand gut flora, hood bacteria etc. This might fit with the medicinal theme of the book
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, allegories of the humours, or whatever understanding of actual microorganisms they might have had (or that this doctor might have thought up independently?) The water purification thing, and the fact that I've never seen that theory before, leads me to think that something in the illustrations does indicate that these are literal baths, but...
Its seems to me that in order to decipher this we need more than the plants, astrology & other healing issues. This is cultural context and is a start. We need to determine the script type as well as the language. A biscript would be very convenient too. The Voynich Manuscript is the only item we have. All available writings combined designate a "corpus". One book is too small a corpus. These 5 pillars of decipherment must be met according to linguists. See Michael Coe or Marc Zender for more of this. These two are world leaders on this subject. Interesting stuff.
A word on the "oak tree with grapes" Acorns are green while on the tree, like in that picture, and turn brown before dropping, which seems to be shown in there as well. Just a thought.
Bro!!! I seen that Script and Art style before!!!! Its Distinctive as hell and not only do the Letters appear to match but the exact Inks, Art style, "hand writting" etc...etc... all match. The only problem is, Its a small Pre Aztec Mayan script from one of the EXTREMELY few codec that managed to survive. I am completely convinced because it is so similar that I am sure its a Lost Mayan Codex
Or... come to think of it, perhaps the "Mayan Codex" the is actually a fake made by the same faker, idk but the similarities were way way to obvious for me to ignore and I only happened upon it on a YT video I believe on Ancient Americas channel where he discussed various mayan sects
Is it possible the manuscript was one of those non-sense ciphers you mentioned, sent to Kircher as a prank? Maybe Kircher was on to the prank by the time he received it and it was set aside and it somehow got misplaced, misfiled, fell through the cracks and eventually integrated into his, I’m sure, vast library, it’s initial purpose eventually forgotten and mistaken for a legitimate codex or cipher? But I’m just now remembering, there was correspondence btwn Kircher and the previous owner, so perhaps not...
Yeah, the notion that so many over so many years have been racking their brains over this enigma and that it turns out it was a hoax along kinda makes me chuckle a little.
Thank you for your thorough and sympathetic yet fair coverage of Athanasius Kircher. At three moments I thought, "Aha!", as something I knew snicked into place - Kessler, animicules, and Egyptian obelisks in Europe. Very satisfying, thank you.
9:17 those are grapes. Different varieties of grapes have different leaves. Some look incredibly similar to oak leaves. Some, like Nebbiolo and Cabernet Sauvignon have weird, lobed leaves similar to the illustration. Esp the coloring of the berries: red and blue. 10:58 is a cornflower. Showy blue flowers with the strange bulb-like growth before the flower. Also can’t each of these illustrations be an amalgamation of the plant’s growing process? That would explain why so many have both buds/seeds/fruits/flowers at the same time. The artist put all the phases of growth and reproduction of the plant on one illustration. So if a plant only bears buds in spring, but flowers in summer…the artist added all these stages in one painting. It cuts down on the number of illustrations needed to fully describe the plant and it’s reproductive phases.
@9:16 definitely an oak tree depicting acorns, most are at their green stage but there are some lower down in the drawing painted brown. The next page shows a poppy plant.
Why Da Vinci is not the author: The pen-and-ink drawings and the crude painting are actually of the same level of skill, so likely the same person. That is because neither displays formal training, rather a lack of training. These drawings reveal the work of a complete, non-trained amateur with access to the appropriate supplies to produce the manuscript (which leads credence to the idea that the parchment was produced earlier in time and stored). Compare Da Vinci's illustrations with wrapping texts -- and, there is no similarity in style. The difference is stark.
13:00 in Scandinavia, and possibly in Germany, the zodiac Cancer is associated with a crayfish (an animal similar to a lobster, but smaller), rather than a crab. It's possible that's what's being depicted.
Ever heard of IAM Taurus Scorpio rising witch IAM actually lol 😆 ŴÎÑKß5 à crayfish or lobster is the scorpion of the Sea evolved to land t2 become a scorpion ËH ŴÎÑKß5 lol 😆 there's so much code in this book it's INGENIOUS ËH ŴÎÑKß5 lol 😆 Oh the Scorpio rising is a clue to evolution of crayfish rising from water to land becoming 🦂 ŴÎÑKß5 lol 😆
Ah yes, the good old Leonardo. Author of Turin shrowd (cuz it's a beardy guy, obviously), mysterious Mona Lisa (who had rotten teeth, dislocated joints of her fingers, also it's a slef-portrait, also is a sign of him having a Qucik eye - all of those theories are true at once) and now also an author of Voynich manuscript. In that light, don't forget to mention he also built the great Pyramid, invented gunpowder, projected Eiffel tower and wrote Beethoven's 9th symphony. There is also a suspiction he was the Zodiac killer...
Re the painting style: there are lots of modern journalors who chose to block in color in a similar way, sometimes even blobbing down color and then drawing over it. So there is artistic precedence that perhaps the color was added in a messy way on purpose.
What if, after all this time, the voynich manuscript is simply a really really old science fiction novel and not meant to represent reality of any sort at all?
Best way to keep a secret code is to draw out of context pictures on it. In this case Naked women and constellation drawings are doing its job to protect the coded text.
I have just found your channel and I am so glad I did, this manuscript has always fascinated me and after watching your first video about it, I thought I'd watch this in my lunch break...Well it's a good job I am working at home today as it captivated me right to the end. Needless to say my lunch break went over the 30 mins I am supposed to have! Like most people I have my theories of this, but I was interested to note the Da Vinci claim, what I did find surprising is the fact that you and others did not remark upon the extremely poor quality of the drawings, even Da Vinci's 'scribbles' were absolute masterpieces, so I really don't think he had anything to do with it. I don't think it is Atlantean :), or alien or anything like that, I think it is just someone's attempt to save his work from being copied, but we do love a mystery don't we? I'd be interested to know if any language/writing experts can see the patterns in the book we see in all written languages? I thought you may have touched on this (perhaps you did?). After all we can all write gibberish, but can we write gibberish that may look like writing, with its patterns and flow? Also, are you per change a Crusader Kings II fan? I recognised some of the music, and music from another game which I have played, but has eluded me so far. Thanks again for rekindling my interest in this and opening my eyes to all the 'player's' who owned or had a part to play in the history of this enchanting book . I'd love to see other videos on a similar subject if you have the time. Good luck with the channel
13:03 is extremely interesting. At the time the book was written lobsters were pretty much unknown in Europe, especially outside of the northern atlantic ocean. Most lobster species near Europe live in deep water. We suspect the book was written in Northern Italy - so how does he think of a lobster when he sees crab in other books and drawings. He knows lobsters. Where do lobsters live in shallow water? America. A lot of the plants drawn are pretty similar to plants in Central America. I don't think we can just say that this is not possible because of the time. There were expeditions at that time, and north European sailors were fishing near of Canada. And some humans can survive a supprisingly long time stranded boats. The author could be an native american who got lost in sea and was found weeks later by an Spanish or Italian ship. The font shows characteristics of other fonts of cultures that didn't invent paper style material to write on. It was probably made to be carved in on Bark or leather. Both materials that degrade fast. So we don't have any comparison to then. But the earliest fonts from these areas we know have a lot of similar characters without any explanation why the creators came up with that. Imagine being stranded in a different world, trying to save everything you know from your past world and maybe note some things of your current you don't want to forget. Wouldn't it look like that?
14:33 that's ovaries, with the Fallopian tube, right? i mean, imagine a medieval dude drawing what he perceives to be ovaries, that would be it. Btw, fascinating documentary, why have i not seen your channel before??
I believe these to be some another water purification equipment peace. I dont think they were aware enough to know they existed at all. I have some papers at home about female anatomy seem by medieval men, so I can check that if you are interested, yet I dont deem it likely. They thought the womb travels around the body for gods sake lmao Im not throwing away the idea, just poiting out it is not as likely.
@@dustdust9508 They definitely did know about ovaries. People have been dissecting people since time immemorial. Many, such as Leonardo daVinci made drawings on the female anatomy, including ovaries, too. And Nicolaus of Salerno directly described ovaries in the 11th century. They just did not really know what function they had.
@@noel_21 Thanks!!! I didnt actually consider they could associate the presence of ovaries with femininity but like.... Hey, they couldnt find those in men, haha! My immediate thought, well it was not exactly in da vincis times... Yet, it doesnt really matter. As with sunflowers - the knowledge is there somewhere, always. Not necessarily in the plain sight! Thanks for the insight once again
Regarding selective breeding: are you suggesting that the illustrations are of cultivars that aren't wild and that fell out of favor or have been subsequently bred to newer forms? Because wild varieties of pretty much all crops are still around.
You should listen to Dimitri Shostakovich's Gadfly suite. He wrote the music for the 1955 Soviet film adaptation of: The Gadfly. Heartbreakingly beautiful.
Could the erratic colouring of the illustrations not be a stylistic choice? Or the coloured pigment used was harder to apply than the black ink due to consistency, viscosity, etc.?
I've wondered if some of the strange coloration's might be due to degradation of the paints used. I've seen automotive paint colors degrade in decades, and these are centuries old. The Wiki (I know, I know) gives and incomplete analysis of the paint, and says some are unknown but they are described as cheap for their time. I had never considered stylistic choices. An interesting idea.
that 'slopped on', not within the lines, modern style of coloring something in really doesn't date from earlier that, I believe, around the 1950s. It was inspired by printers not getting the color guides lined up properly.
...that's something an "artist" from deviantart.com would say ^^; I think, the colouring was literally done by the creator's kid. Their 8 year old daughter or son.. they did their best....
a flowering sunflower has an alternate phyllotaxis or spiral arrangement, where the leaves become staggered and grow singly at different heights around the stem. so it cannot be a sunflower!
57:52 , 1:04:12 , 1:16:42 , 1:22:12 To a person who believes in predestination this would be a proof: his name (Athanasius) actually means "without death", "immortal" in Greek.
I was always taught that Da Vinci wrote backwards ("mirror writing") as a clever lifehack to avoid smudging his ink as he wrote, because he was left-handed.
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youre a saint for withholding the ads. i fall asleep to these all the time. excellent work man
Real respectful to the work, falling asleep to them and all...
@@elaxter haha I was going to say the same thing.
As a joke.
Hey some say you do listen and understand in your sleep.
@@elaxter
I listen to many videos several times - at least once while going to sleep. It's a real thing. Only good ones make it into my sleep list. I don't want junk going into my brain while sleeping.
@@jellymop Yes.
@@elaxter "respect the work" you're joking right? Why would you care how anyone consumes any content?
To anyone waiting for more A History of Britain, its still coming. I threw this together in a few days as a break from writing the next script, hopefully I should have something in November.
You're insane. Brilliant work man. Peace and love from Texas pardner!
@18:23 Rudolph. "Never has a man through such actions saved the lives of so many." Not only did he save lives, due to the thick fog, the presents would never have been delivered on time, if it wasn't for him.
Yay!! Can't wait-- I was going crazy trying to find the next episode from 600 BC+ thinking you must have made it already.
@@bryanmatthews1540 It's coming in about 30 years. Thankfully I'll be dead.
The Histocrat yes please more History Of Britain! -an amazing series!!
The small differences in the symbolic depictions in the Zodiac might actually give a small clue to the language of the author of the Voynich manuscript, as it can reflect the names of these signs in a specific language or even a specific time and location (as language and knowledge changes). There are actually different translations of the Zodiac signs in different languages, who by themselves create a folk-understanding how people would interpret them
In Swedish the Zodiac sign and constellation "Cancer" is called "the crayfish" ("kräftan"). This is a mistranslation but an understandable one, as the Latin word "cancer" can refer to several different types of crustaceans - but the Zodiac sign does really signify a crab (since antiquity). But the drawings in the VM could very well be a couple of crayfish.
The same with the Sagittarius - it's called "the shooter" ("skytten") in Swedish and is thus not describing a mythological creature but only a non-descript (presumed human) shooter. So if we pretend the author of the VM was a native Swedish speaker with a local folk-understanding of these signs, these alterations make sense. The shooter is simply understood as a human shooter and cancer is crayfish. (If we supposed the author was Finnish, the sagittarius would be called "the archer" so there wouldn't be any crossbow).
I don't believe the author was Swedish as we wouldn't have that kind of talent back then. But these words for zodiac signs are also found other European languages, such as Czech: where "cancer" is "rak" - "the crayfish", and Sagittarius is "the shooter" (Střelec).
And there might be others which I don't know but Czech for me is a pretty hot contender as the trail begins in Bohemia. (If the word "crayfish" could understood as a plural in a language I'd say it is a pretty hot lead - I don't know if it is possible in Czech though). Note that it only partially matches in German where Sagittarius is called "the shooter", but Cancer is called "the crab". It needs to be explored further.
Great comment.
It's the same in serbian. Cancer= рак (rak) which means crab but can also refer to crayfish and sagittarius= стрелац (strelac) the shooter, the archer. I don't think it's likely to be linked to the Serbian language but it's fun seeing the similarities with Czech
Svenska på den tiden var helt olik den svenska vi pratar idag dock
in hungarian is also rak with an accent on the a
@@Alvarezplik im late but just wanted to correct you on the czech comment - "rakovina" is the disease cancer, but cancer the animal is "rak"
I have the highest compliment I can think of for your talent as a presenter. I have lived my entire life with extreme ADHD and every side effect that comes with it. Dyslexia ~ has kept me from learning. I was held back in elementary for my lack of reading prowess. But now we have RUclips! and brilliant people like you who share their knowledge with the world. Now I am learning! You can hold the attention of someone who was regarded as stupid and useless for half a century, because there were too many words to read. Thanx to teachers like you I have a passion for history. But you especially have a magical voice that captures and keeps my interest in what you’re teaching. Usually my brain 🧠 shuts down and I go into a dark shut down for a bit. I can see and feel it’s weight as it covers over me. Now I’ve found you and I’m learning. you’ve even inspired me to do what I can to improve my reading. Sadly I can still get the heavy dark fog but I can shake it off now. Thank you, BRAVO 👏 with my greatest respect and affection, love from Calgary Alberta CANADA 🇨🇦 🥰
We join you in your good fortune to be living in these times when new ways of learning are coming along! It really is great fun!
I am having a similar issue--having studied and taught university for ages, and just being an avid reader, my eyes have given out on me! I truly appreciate all the reference material set forth in these podcasts and the visuals are particularly exciting! I must comment on the COMPLETELY WRONG idea that anyone, especially a scholar, could theorized DaVinci would ever place his name and reputation on such a simplistic work. The drawings look more like those done by Dr. Seuss with a perverse obsession of the female body (maybe I could write a text in an "after" Dr. Seuss fashion!). DaVinci would never pen such a simplistic array! And, being a leftie, writing mirror image is normal/easy for us. You can tell the difference in the pen-strokes of DaVinci's work compared to those in the manuscript. DaVinci starts from the right and writes to the left--the normal way for lefties to write--mirror image without a flaw. The VC is written from left to right. I must comment on the impressive penmanship of all these works-the lost art of a brilliant mind proud of the thoughts/wisdom proffered!
I have ADHD too and I use my kindle on a really large font to help me read. I struggle with physical books because I need the font to be massive so I don’t get distracted by the other sentences on the page!
Same city let’s gooo
"Nobody would spend such a large amount of money on parchment and not use it till after they have died"
Me an artist: looks nervously at the hundreds of dollars worth of empty fine paper sketchbooks in the corner of my studio.
Right, but imagine if it wasn't hundreds of dollars worth of sketchbooks, but more like hundreds upon hundreds of dollars per PAGE of each sketchbook...
@@EmeraldLavigne not all times are a good time to make a point. Just seemed a bit unnecessary tbh.
@@jasonmoore7223 it's actually the perfect time to point it out. It's a fine joke and all but ensuring people don't buy the joke as truth with a benign clarifying comment is perfectly fine.
I agree, the more valuable the resource, the more hesitant you are not to squander it on anything substandard.
Right?!
holy shit. thats a long video.
I love it.
@@jimbodriver1015 hahahaha, whenever I can't fall asleep I put on McKenna. It's better than any white noise, or "relaxation" sounds.
All fucking HABSBURGER's
Dae Dae Thomas No way could I relax listening to that fucking nerd’s voice prattle on for hours
I love that so many of us find your voices so soothing, and that you've become a part of many nightly routines! Please don't think for a second that we don't appreciate the content!😅 We go back amd listen to them throughout the day as well and everything is SO informative and educational. Thank you both for your dedication and work!
lol no joke
I've been bingeing these while I work at a manufacturing job, I really appreciate these. They keep my mind working wile I do my relatively mindless job.
Me as well....Thanks for the people making this type of video!
I am so grateful to you for taking the time to do this video. Content like this isn't put together in an afternoon - even the shortest of presentations can take days. You did an excellent job with this fascinating subject!! Might I dare to suggest you make some based on other mysterious books such as the Rohonc Codex? Thank you for all that you do sir.
Risible is the suggestion that Leonardo of Vinci created the manuscript. Anyone who has ever so much as glanced at Leonardo's sketchbooks would never attribute the crude doodles of the VM to him.
That theory is no less than an insult to Da Vinci 🤦🏻♂️ Dan Brown's crap really did numbers on the conspiratory minds.
I apologise in advance for my sins against the German language.
I didn't mind a few chuckles while watching this VERY interesting video. ;)
Eh, it's all flew flam anyway.
Can u make this in
You should consider left handed people have only one way to write in fluid motion without smearing the ink and that is mirror writing! Da Vinci was left handed! Excuse my bad grammar... i´m German :P
The Histocrat Ah, but your sins pale by comparison with the Germans' sins, ja?
Your doco is like art!!! All artists step back and see the mistakes when everyone else sees pure genius. Thank you so much for providing this absolutely enthralling deep dive.
Bronze Age collapse got me through my Dad’s illness and eventual passing. I was able to sleep (and learn) because of you. ❤❤❤❤
Make these several hours long; I'll have no complaints!
yurisuika Terrance McKenna does a good lecture on this topic too.
Agreed, I'll accept Dan Carlin lengths. History is worth deeeeep dives.
I agree, and no script? He don't need one! :)
I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of this, and the previous Voynich Manuscript video. I could easily listen to you talk about it for another three hours!
Very grateful to you for such a terrific intro to Kircher. It was a delight to me.
As someone else said, I also fall asleep to these, in the most respectful way possible. Amazing videos.
Good one! I love the longer, in depth vid!!! It seems I just get into a vid and then they end. How does one learn that much from a ten minute vid! Great job!
Love the longer projects! Thank you!
I don't think that green for the water is actually meant to be green. It looks like blue that's oxidized into a green, as some spots are more blue than others.
Yes I think its not a stretch to theorise its just meant to be water.
See, I was thinking that too, but aren't there some things that they ACTUALLY painted blue? Like, some of the flowers or something like that?
@@EmeraldLavigne What do you mean?
@@ragingdevi in the manuscript. there is blue pigment that stayed blue. is what the meant.
The picture of the "oak", reminds me of walking through the woods. The trees would be covered in wisteria, huge vines.
I was thinking that the grape like clusters were just clusters of acorns.
@@nomdeplume5446 or even wild grape vines
Or it's just a german oak Quercus Robur.
It looks very similar.
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@@TheElrondo definitely does. Good eye
Watched both Voynch manuscript videos today. Excellent presentations. Thank you
You have great videos, keep up the good work! And your voice is perfect for narrating stuff like this.
Your in my top 3 channels . Keep exploring man thanks appreciate the work
New sub here. Love the lack of ads. I hope you get great sponsors.
Thanks!
I cant wait to hear this. 🤗 Thank you so much!
🌟Voynich Manuscript videos - Great work!🌟🙂
Fantastic video, I loved it ! And I didn't mind it was long, your voice is so pleasant. Thank you for all the hard work!
Some of these stories deserve to be made into films. Especially Athanasius Kircher.
Your Voynich videos are wonderful companions to the ones the Yale researchers have posted. I really appreciate this channel.
I really enjoyed this, the first one, and the Bronze Age Collapse one.
These kind of historical mysteries are so fascinating.
I have been fascinated with this manuscript for quite som time. Good to find someone who has more knowledge about it.
I'm curious, what do you think the purpose is? Old family remedies?
2:02:30 Oh ... I saw the BBC series "Reilly, Ace of Spies" with Sam Neill. Very entertaining. I recommend.
I'm telling you, the bathing women are nymphs, plant spirits, and the green baths are leaves. It's an illustration of somebody's idea of the life process of plants.
Thanks!
I'm not sure it came up in your research but parchment didn't actually have to sit idle for decades before the use in the manuscript. Palimpsest is the practice of scraping/washing off old writing so it could be reused and was rather common. I'm not sure how common it was in the 15th century but it was widely practiced before the 11th century.
But with modern analysis, one would know if it is scraped parchment or one use, no?
@@MrFrenchfanfan Not with youtube analysis. If the provenance was actually shown, none of these charlatans would have anything to do. They'd have to play video games 100 percent of their lives, instead of 90.
@@tranzco1173 huh?
Interesting and well-explained. Thank you for showing us your process and insights.
This is the greatest channel I’ve ever found
Could it be possible the “women” in the green liquid are actually the writer trying to describe the breakdown of the digestive tract and this is an intestine tract where the “women” represent some living thing the writer knew broke down food but didn’t understand gut flora, hood bacteria etc. This might fit with the medicinal theme of the book
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, allegories of the humours, or whatever understanding of actual microorganisms they might have had (or that this doctor might have thought up independently?)
The water purification thing, and the fact that I've never seen that theory before, leads me to think that something in the illustrations does indicate that these are literal baths, but...
Its seems to me that in order to decipher this we need more than the plants, astrology & other healing issues. This is cultural context and is a start. We need to determine the script type as well as the language. A biscript would be very convenient too. The Voynich Manuscript is the only item we have. All available writings combined designate a "corpus". One book is too small a corpus. These 5 pillars of decipherment must be met according to linguists. See Michael Coe or Marc Zender for more of this. These two are world leaders on this subject. Interesting stuff.
A word on the "oak tree with grapes"
Acorns are green while on the tree, like in that picture, and turn brown before dropping, which seems to be shown in there as well.
Just a thought.
Yeah, I was gonna say that idk maybe they just didn't have brown pigment, but I think that makes a lot more sense.
Bro!!! I seen that Script and Art style before!!!! Its Distinctive as hell and not only do the Letters appear to match but the exact Inks, Art style, "hand writting" etc...etc... all match. The only problem is, Its a small Pre Aztec Mayan script from one of the EXTREMELY few codec that managed to survive. I am completely convinced because it is so similar that I am sure its a Lost Mayan Codex
Or... come to think of it, perhaps the "Mayan Codex" the is actually a fake made by the same faker, idk but the similarities were way way to obvious for me to ignore and I only happened upon it on a YT video I believe on Ancient Americas channel where he discussed various mayan sects
Guy, you're the coolest.
absolutely incredible video. you might just be one of the best creators on youtube - if only all my university lectures were this engrossing.
Is it possible the manuscript was one of those non-sense ciphers you mentioned, sent to Kircher as a prank? Maybe Kircher was on to the prank by the time he received it and it was set aside and it somehow got misplaced, misfiled, fell through the cracks and eventually integrated into his, I’m sure, vast library, it’s initial purpose eventually forgotten and mistaken for a legitimate codex or cipher? But I’m just now remembering, there was correspondence btwn Kircher and the previous owner, so perhaps not...
Watching this video, this really jumped out at me as a distinct possibility, and probably the theory that feels most likely to me.
Yeah, the notion that so many over so many years have been racking their brains over this enigma and that it turns out it was a hoax along kinda makes me chuckle a little.
Well done. I can't wait to hear your reaction to the inevitable translation of the voynich manuscript.
Thank you for your thorough and sympathetic yet fair coverage of Athanasius Kircher. At three moments I thought, "Aha!", as something I knew snicked into place - Kessler, animicules, and Egyptian obelisks in Europe. Very satisfying, thank you.
Leanardo da Vince when he was a young man inspired by a reknown botanist of those years from 10 years old to18 years old.
This is really really really cool! I’m so happy you worked on this! You are the best. Thanks 🙏 Thanks 😊
9:17 those are grapes. Different varieties of grapes have different leaves. Some look incredibly similar to oak leaves. Some, like Nebbiolo and Cabernet Sauvignon have weird, lobed leaves similar to the illustration. Esp the coloring of the berries: red and blue.
10:58 is a cornflower. Showy blue flowers with the strange bulb-like growth before the flower.
Also can’t each of these illustrations be an amalgamation of the plant’s growing process? That would explain why so many have both buds/seeds/fruits/flowers at the same time. The artist put all the phases of growth and reproduction of the plant on one illustration. So if a plant only bears buds in spring, but flowers in summer…the artist added all these stages in one painting. It cuts down on the number of illustrations needed to fully describe the plant and it’s reproductive phases.
Very good observation, I agree with you, saves space, considering the cost of producing the manuscript, cost in terms of time and materials.
Great epilogue. Many thanks!
Really enjoyed this. Keep up the amazing work 👍
@9:16 definitely an oak tree depicting acorns, most are at their green stage but there are some lower down in the drawing painted brown. The next page shows a poppy plant.
Why Da Vinci is not the author:
The pen-and-ink drawings and the crude painting are actually of the same level of skill, so likely the same person. That is because neither displays formal training, rather a lack of training. These drawings reveal the work of a complete, non-trained amateur with access to the appropriate supplies to produce the manuscript (which leads credence to the idea that the parchment was produced earlier in time and stored). Compare Da Vinci's illustrations with wrapping texts -- and, there is no similarity in style. The difference is stark.
You are ignoring the possibility that the "amateurishness" was quite deliberate to confuse the "reader"
So glad this was the first video I watched of yours!
13:00 in Scandinavia, and possibly in Germany, the zodiac Cancer is associated with a crayfish (an animal similar to a lobster, but smaller), rather than a crab. It's possible that's what's being depicted.
Ever heard of IAM Taurus Scorpio rising witch IAM actually lol 😆 ŴÎÑKß5 à crayfish or lobster is the scorpion of the Sea evolved to land t2 become a scorpion ËH ŴÎÑKß5 lol 😆 there's so much code in this book it's INGENIOUS ËH ŴÎÑKß5 lol 😆 Oh the Scorpio rising is a clue to evolution of crayfish rising from water to land becoming 🦂 ŴÎÑKß5 lol 😆
The oak with grapes might be oak apples or gall which had value for making ink and predicting the weather.
Ah yes, the good old Leonardo. Author of Turin shrowd (cuz it's a beardy guy, obviously), mysterious Mona Lisa (who had rotten teeth, dislocated joints of her fingers, also it's a slef-portrait, also is a sign of him having a Qucik eye - all of those theories are true at once) and now also an author of Voynich manuscript. In that light, don't forget to mention he also built the great Pyramid, invented gunpowder, projected Eiffel tower and wrote Beethoven's 9th symphony. There is also a suspiction he was the Zodiac killer...
Re the painting style: there are lots of modern journalors who chose to block in color in a similar way, sometimes even blobbing down color and then drawing over it. So there is artistic precedence that perhaps the color was added in a messy way on purpose.
The Voynich manuscript seems to operate as a kind of strange attractor for people suffering from Dunning-Kruger syndrome.
great video and documentary! really well put together!
love love love the long videos thank you.
An extra hour of this craziness?! OH YEAH BABY
Came for spooky book, stayed for 17th century Austrian session laws
What if, after all this time, the voynich manuscript is simply a really really old science fiction novel and not meant to represent reality of any sort at all?
humanity’s first conlang lol
This is my favorite and well researched documentary to the VM. Leaving out every conspiracy theory.
Best way to keep a secret code is to draw out of context pictures on it. In this case Naked women and constellation drawings are doing its job to protect the coded text.
9:15 maybe not am oak tree but some kind of black walnut,pecan, or a chestnut tree?
Well that runtime means I'm watching this over the weekend cannot wait to have time for it.
I love your style of historical thoroughness.
I have just found your channel and I am so glad I did, this manuscript has always fascinated me and after watching your first video about it, I thought I'd watch this in my lunch break...Well it's a good job I am working at home today as it captivated me right to the end. Needless to say my lunch break went over the 30 mins I am supposed to have!
Like most people I have my theories of this, but I was interested to note the Da Vinci claim, what I did find surprising is the fact that you and others did not remark upon the extremely poor quality of the drawings, even Da Vinci's 'scribbles' were absolute masterpieces, so I really don't think he had anything to do with it.
I don't think it is Atlantean :), or alien or anything like that, I think it is just someone's attempt to save his work from being copied, but we do love a mystery don't we?
I'd be interested to know if any language/writing experts can see the patterns in the book we see in all written languages? I thought you may have touched on this (perhaps you did?). After all we can all write gibberish, but can we write gibberish that may look like writing, with its patterns and flow?
Also, are you per change a Crusader Kings II fan? I recognised some of the music, and music from another game which I have played, but has eluded me so far.
Thanks again for rekindling my interest in this and opening my eyes to all the 'player's' who owned or had a part to play in the history of this enchanting book .
I'd love to see other videos on a similar subject if you have the time.
Good luck with the channel
Great video, I really liked the biographic about Athanasius Kircher.
At 1:55, the handwritten note. The writing seems very similar, look at the capital A and the small a, they look very similar.
At 12:33 it’s clearly a calendar with the month “abiral” (April) written under the goat. Duh
13:03 is extremely interesting. At the time the book was written lobsters were pretty much unknown in Europe, especially outside of the northern atlantic ocean. Most lobster species near Europe live in deep water. We suspect the book was written in Northern Italy - so how does he think of a lobster when he sees crab in other books and drawings.
He knows lobsters. Where do lobsters live in shallow water? America.
A lot of the plants drawn are pretty similar to plants in Central America. I don't think we can just say that this is not possible because of the time. There were expeditions at that time, and north European sailors were fishing near of Canada. And some humans can survive a supprisingly long time stranded boats.
The author could be an native american who got lost in sea and was found weeks later by an Spanish or Italian ship.
The font shows characteristics of other fonts of cultures that didn't invent paper style material to write on. It was probably made to be carved in on Bark or leather. Both materials that degrade fast. So we don't have any comparison to then. But the earliest fonts from these areas we know have a lot of similar characters without any explanation why the creators came up with that.
Imagine being stranded in a different world, trying to save everything you know from your past world and maybe note some things of your current you don't want to forget.
Wouldn't it look like that?
Awesome awesome!! I'm just gonna have to like now and watch later!! And then watch again and again!! Love your shows!!
1:14 did you ever circle around to that Troy idea? If not, could you 👉👈?
Excellent delivery
I can listen you talk all day. Really held my attention through the whole video.
Great stuff. Love your work. More please. :)
14:33 that's ovaries, with the Fallopian tube, right? i mean, imagine a medieval dude drawing what he perceives to be ovaries, that would be it. Btw, fascinating documentary, why have i not seen your channel before??
I believe these to be some another water purification equipment peace. I dont think they were aware enough to know they existed at all. I have some papers at home about female anatomy seem by medieval men, so I can check that if you are interested, yet I dont deem it likely. They thought the womb travels around the body for gods sake lmao Im not throwing away the idea, just poiting out it is not as likely.
@@dustdust9508 They definitely did know about ovaries. People have been dissecting people since time immemorial. Many, such as Leonardo daVinci made drawings on the female anatomy, including ovaries, too. And Nicolaus of Salerno directly described ovaries in the 11th century. They just did not really know what function they had.
@@noel_21 Thanks!!! I didnt actually consider they could associate the presence of ovaries with femininity but like.... Hey, they couldnt find those in men, haha! My immediate thought, well it was not exactly in da vincis times... Yet, it doesnt really matter. As with sunflowers - the knowledge is there somewhere, always. Not necessarily in the plain sight! Thanks for the insight once again
@@dustdust9508 No problem man. I actually opened my dusty history books for once because of your comment. I should thank you lol
If this was anatomical information during the time when autopsy was illegal, that would be a good reason why it is written in a code...
Regarding selective breeding: are you suggesting that the illustrations are of cultivars that aren't wild and that fell out of favor or have been subsequently bred to newer forms? Because wild varieties of pretty much all crops are still around.
Love this , mysteries are great and the history of them, well done.
Lovely stuff. Keep up the great work!
You should listen to Dimitri Shostakovich's Gadfly suite. He wrote the music for the 1955 Soviet film adaptation of: The Gadfly. Heartbreakingly beautiful.
I hope this one is a mystery forever
Could the erratic colouring of the illustrations not be a stylistic choice? Or the coloured pigment used was harder to apply than the black ink due to consistency, viscosity, etc.?
I've wondered if some of the strange coloration's might be due to degradation of the paints used. I've seen automotive paint colors degrade in decades, and these are centuries old. The Wiki (I know, I know) gives and incomplete analysis of the paint, and says some are unknown but they are described as cheap for their time.
I had never considered stylistic choices. An interesting idea.
that 'slopped on', not within the lines, modern style of coloring something in really doesn't date from earlier that, I believe, around the 1950s. It was inspired by printers not getting the color guides lined up properly.
...that's something an "artist" from deviantart.com would say ^^;
I think, the colouring was literally done by the creator's kid. Their 8 year old daughter or son.. they did their best....
Love the deep dive! I can't count how many times I've watched it! I'm looking forward to more!
Great video.
a flowering sunflower has an alternate phyllotaxis or spiral arrangement, where the leaves become staggered and grow singly at different heights around the stem. so it cannot be a sunflower!
Excellent stuff, just discovered your channel, great work.
I genuinely love everything you put out. Keep up the great work.
Nice deep dive.
Yey for new vlog. The last one KILLED IT.
57:52 , 1:04:12 , 1:16:42 , 1:22:12 To a person who believes in predestination this would be a proof: his name (Athanasius) actually means "without death", "immortal" in Greek.
I was always taught that Da Vinci wrote backwards ("mirror writing") as a clever lifehack to avoid smudging his ink as he wrote, because he was left-handed.
It's possible that's the reason for it, or maybe it was just a quirk of his.
Great video I’m a new fan! Great job
this was fun and informative to watch, thank you
Obviously, the oak leaves show a primitive illustration of Acorns... oaks to acorns....
I truly wish I could love this many times. What I can do is tell the people I know about it.