What is the place of pain? | J. Krishnamurti
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2020
- What is the place of pain? | J. Krishnamurti
Extract from Public Talk #1, Masonic Auditorium, San Francisco 1973
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TRANSCRIPT:
What is the place of pain in life? Right? What is pain, physical pain, we are not talking of psychological pain, we’ll do it another day, what is the place of pain in life? That is, how can the mind meet pain in life? We have all got pain of different kinds, serious suffering, serious pain, or superficial pain; serious disease with all its pain and superficial pain - what is the place of pain in life and how to meet it. Right, sir? Wait, sir, let me finish the question, sir. You see first of all we lead such unhealthy lives, that’s obvious. Air is polluted, water is polluted, and we eat dead animals, yes sir, wait a minute, you laugh but you go out and eat meat afterwards. I am not saying you must become a vegetarian but see all the implications of it. We live such unhealthy lives, over-eat, over-indulge, so our body which has its own intelligence is destroyed by the pleasure of taste. It’s so obvious.
So pain is one of the results, disease is one of those results. And how to meet pain in life. And is it possible to observe pain without identifying ourselves with pain? You understand what I am saying? If one has a toothache, to observe it, to be attentive without the centre of ‘me’ who has pain and therefore create anxiety. You follow this? Do you understand this, sir, what I am saying? Can you observe, be attentive of your physical pain without the ‘me’ as the centre which doesn’t want pain, or is afraid of having pain when the pain has come to an end again? You are following all this? What is the place of pain in life? Is it a reminder that you are living unhealthily? And if it is a reminder then we don’t accept what it calls your attention to, but rather suppress it, escape from it, go on with our pleasure of eating or drinking or whatever it is, and when you have again pain take some pill to get rid of it.
Therefore pain has an importance in telling you how to live more correctly. And pain also indicates that it has value in reminding you that there must be harmony between the mind, the heart and the body, a total harmony, which we have not. And pain, physical pain, has also its importance, not as a punishment and therefore ‘give us more punishment so as to become more pure’ which is absurd, but it is an indication that we are preventing the normal intelligence of the body from functioning. And to be attentive of all that and not come to any conclusions, just to be attentive.
Q: Sir, how do we...
K: Sir, look, if I may point out - we will have to stop because I believe we must clear out of the hall by half past twelve, it is nearly that so we must stop - look, sir, there is no ‘how’, there is no system, please see this. We will go into it another time, but see this. Don’t ever ask of anybody ‘how’ - how am I to become intelligent, how am I to become aware, how am I to become attentive, because the ‘how’ implies a system, when you have a system the mind which practises that system becomes mechanical. What we are trying to point out is, intelligence is not mechanical, where there is freedom intelligence operates. And when one has physical pain it indicates so many things, as we have tried to point out, some of them, and to be aware of all this. Then you will see for yourself if you have gone into this, that pain, unfortunately, because we live so wrongly and also one is getting older, pain is part of existence. And to see it without allowing that pain to distort the mind.
THis helps us a lot.. Thanks...
Last Paragraph has sooo sooooo great wisdom....
Is there any continuation of this talk?
Or a talk from which this is taken?
thank you !
Thank you for transcript ❤️🙏🏿
Amazing.. The way he explained things, point them out and letting everyone finds out himself, it's the only way to find the truth in this beautiful LIFE... Thank you ❤️🙏🏿😘🌷🦋
Where there is freedom intelligence operates.....
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Pain is part of existence. And to see it without allowing that pain to distort the mind. Thank you for sharing true wisdom 💞
Typical human thought "part of existence" ... if if he wrote his mind right or if I understood it right
J. K. is a real world teacher.
Thank you
Nice meet you here
This transcript of Krishnamurti answering a question about dealing with physical pain is a subject that is easily left in the unengaged basket, particularly if there is no personal experience of acute pain or health issues at the present time of reading or listening to the question and response. I am not sure of the date of this public discussion, nevertheless I have observed many dialogues and discussions wherein K is obviously quite ill and I, like many other viewers witnessed him unperturbed by the effects of his immediate distress and wonder at his capacity to continue speaking with similar clarity and perceptive quality that he delivers when he appears to be in good health. So there is no doubt that K’s lived action was an exacting example of the response given to the question of the reality of physical pain which confronts everyone at some point of life, often without warning. I am reminded that K was unique in that he exemplified “walking the talk” without fail.
He only talks from experience which is such a wonderful thing.
BRILLIANCE
Thank you for sharing
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aqui tem sabedoria...
Intelligence is destroyed by pleasure of pain or pain of pleasure...
How to meet the pain ... is the reminder that shows me that I don't live healthy way or correct way. Reminder that is calling for harmonious life.
Also is the indication that I am preventing my body's normal function to go on....
Full video please
I think most of us would rather have the power to subdue pain when it arises than following laws correctly to avoid pain....duh
He must've been through lot of pain.
What if you take every precaution, and are eating cleanly, drinking cleanly, and have pure air, but have childhood conditions that have kept you in pain your entire life? And then, the ONLY recourse is pain meds, and they have cut them down to next to zero, so you life 1/3 of a life? What then???
Alternative treatments? and healers..
I think what K tried to deliver is when we stop identifying our truth to be our physical body then there’s a separation. The body pain can be there and Med can be taken as necessary, but there’s no one to complain about pain, only a witnessing. Hope this help
The childhood conditions are pain.
He answered that right at the end , to not allow the pain to distort your mind . It wasn't your fault , let go of the shame , anger will cause you pain, let go of the past by witnessing the pain without the attachment of the memory . The pain will go as the pain itself needs an attachment but if you disallow it then it will fade away .
Does this discourse discourage the use of pain medication?
Where is the exact place of pain? If we resist it obviously it is more alive. Are we giving it a continuity in time-space with me as the focul point? Could we actually look at it afresh without previous knowledge? Of course one must consult a doctor if the pain is too severe. Meeting it afresh without any time frame may mean a lot.
In German language I know the word "Schmerzgedächtnis"- from the words of k.m.I did not get the idea that pain might be taken in the moment- in palliative knowledge pain is one big point of quality in live- there the ways of thinking are nearer to a freedom that lacks usually in most areas of reality.
In the speech there is mentioned that freedom is needed for intelligence. When you give up material needs, also plans about time as much as you can and try to get into the moment,there you might get rid of most pain aspects.--or pain- plans, pain- imaginations, boundaries.-only spinning ideas a little, now , Some kinds of yoga can train this, too
Thank you
Can we grow together
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