An attentive sleepful state | J. Krishnamurti
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An attentive sleepful state | J. Krishnamurti
Extract from the eighth small group discussion in Malibu, 1970.
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After listening to reading and listening to Krishnamurti for over 30 years, you can hear in his tone of voice when he is excited and passionate about a particular subject and clearly, you can sense his passion and excitement. Thank you for sharing.
most respectfully , why would you read books after all his life he has been saying observe , question not agree or disagree, accept or denial , just observe!
@@prathamagarwal8189 why are you reading the comment and not just observing it then?
Have you changed the way he told, after listening him for 30 years?
@@prathamagarwal8189 because even the his msg of observation , we got through books or videos ...there need a medium
I don't care if he is excited and passionate.Know thyself .
"Mysteries are an escape for the unrestful mind", very profoundly stated!
15:43. Bruce Lee was inspired by J.K. This section in his speech is proof for that. Both are legends who found different ways of truly expressing themselves which transformed many.
His teachings should be included in school curriculum.
Yes there is In my 10 class English book
Bad idea coz it may turn out as one of that nova day new age ugly religion ;) After all if you bring JK into scholar-disciple paradigm it may break the whole system of science LOL )))
@@5xing8gua your right
Ma'am he emphasises on not being a "guru" hence he doesn't teach anything, it's just what he has understood about himself, a truth which only implies to him, so it shouldn't be taught. Teaching is moreover 'imposing ' one's truth and beliefs on the other, it's not realisation what he intends to be followed!
@@manishshukla3845 perfect. Imposing his/anyone's teachings will not serve the purpose.
Real order is considered disorder by the human ego. True order comes when one's mind stops trying to be orderly! Paradoxical of course!
So called true order can not come and go as it does not depending on what one's mind trying. No paradox. Sorry.
If you understand the word “Order “ mean then make me understand i bit confused it mean complete silence ?
Very much so indeed! Why the ego is such?
@@5xing8gua hello, would it be possible for you to further elaborate on this? Peace.
Although sweeping the floor for some order is ok.
Everyone can see the happiness on his(JK) face when he talks about inventing the mysteries of mind....one who can feel the same is in the right direction .....To understand the mind see carefully every action of the mind......It needed lots of time and one must free from the past ,free from the fear...Start now at this moment ...Give order to your mind and see the result carefully ....this is the work that JK wants us to do.
I am from India and urged to krishnamurti Foundation that please provide JK's teaching in indian languages too.
JK is like a small child... Delightful.... He is really touching the extra ordinary thing.... Those who have eyes can see that..... Just before you it is happening.... Marvelous
Yeah, bless your life!!
Very good point. Well said Sir. I've heard quite a few of his talks, but in this particular one here I've felt what you're saying about K. It seems that he is filled with joy through his entire being...
Odd you say that because the state he describes reminds me of the state I was in as a kid.
@@starlitshadows Jesus allegedly said "unless you become like a little child, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."
Thank you for sharing the observations... The mystery at present I see is trying to know the unknown through listening to the videos and then the freedom from known... 🤔
Effort without effort, discipline without discipline, witnessing without witnessed, subject without subject!
witnessing without the WITNESSER
the witnessed is there
the witnessed and the witnesser are the same
Thank you sir
And what do we do, we get stressed and tired before exams or other major events, we completely ruin the creativity of our minds. Our minds are much more capable if we can reach that stillness during the day.
Learn from the elderly, they are forced to learn this subconsciously... Well at least most of them do.
Stillness can not be reached by effort. No effort indeed means that stillness. So you can not invent any effort or trick to stop the mind. Mind stops by itself every time you pay no attention on it. And it runs after mirages of thoughts in every moment of your attention. No attention to what goes in the mind - means that sleep without dreams. But it worth nothing when putted into words...
@@5xing8gua No attention to the mind? Where the attention should be placed on then?
Do you see the purposeful intent to sway us away from that stillness, peace and beauty-all in one?
DAY DREAM..
This one is gold, pure gold when you get it and practicing get to the point to be able to apply it. Wonderful to have this available free on youtube. Thank you so much
And what "apply it" actually means? Still not getting it.
@@frantisek_heca I wonder about it myself, although I believe it has to do with observation and self-inquiry.
he repeatedly said there is no improvement through practicing, that is effort and becoming.
@@Sandeep-qj3jg right, awareness is of this moment and cannot be captured
@@Sandeep-qj3jg 100% effort and conflict will arise from 'practice'
This is something which happens in lucid dream when brain touches untouchable ! Very true
Wow!!! This is absolutely unbelievable simple explanation!!! Effortless, effortless and effortless! ❤️🙏🏼🌈
We are so lucky to have these recordings, there is not much room for interpretation, unlike many teachings which have been passed down in quite unreliable forms...
The day it goes to millions of subscribers that day the world is better and happy place.
Milioni hanno ascoltato tutti quelli che hanno composto musiche e parole da anni e per anni. Li ho visti pronti, prontissimi a mettersi le mascherine, essere d'accordo con i governi che hanno emanato misure inutili e controproducenti per l'evoluzione degli umani, voler affermare solo un punto di vista e stare sul carro del 'vincitore'. Per paura, per non sentirsi diversi...
Very nice and true.
1 of the very few honest man i have heard in my life..
This is a core teaching in Astral projection ~ be awake during the day, and you'll be awake at night too 🙏
This is my experience of what his trying to tell people, I've done psychedelics so this is what brought me to be open minded about this stuff but even as a kid I always had a lot of complex questions about the nature of reality.
When I observe my mind in complete silence without letting a thought arise sometimes I get a feeling of ecstacy throughout my body even though it only lasts for a second and the one time I did this I actually woke up into a dream like state where I saw three people standing by gate to my house and I thought it was my friends coming to visit and it was so realistic I literally tried shouting for my sister to open the gate but than no sound came out from my mouth and I sorta freaked out and tried to shout again but than I woke up
Sorry, It has nothing to do with Astral projection.
Cool to see your name in these comments 🤙🏼
Except that astral projection has never been proven. I personally think AP is a type of lucid dreaming. But the core teaching is the same: lucid during the day and lucid during the night...
Empty mind is beautiful and vast (no centre) full of joy without sensual pleasure. Meditative state, awake but without the usual chatter. Thanks for uploading.
helpful reminder of JK speech 🎉
If the empty mind is beautiful what would any act be based on?
@@fadilashuor8457 On nothing. It’s hard pill to shallow and it can never makes sense to the mind but there is no cause and effect. Everything arises on its own inside the field of consciousness.
You are that field of consciousness and everything you feel, see, do etc is manifesting IN consciousness.
The mind is not you.
What are the beliefs then ? Isn't Islam a True Religion and There is a after life ?
How to be so sure that these are not True or make up stuffs ?
Thank you so much. He was giving all he could to get the listeners to move beyond the known to the total awareness of life from the aware mind.
True Freedom for all.......
NewCultureofPeace&Love....Now!🙏
Right on BuddhaLove77.
One Love and Justice.
my problem is when i m fully aware of everything in present moment i get tired after a day or two or after few hours. What should i do?
Listening to krishnamurthy means to listen him without any pre- conceived ideas , concepts , culture, tradition, religion, and conditioning. As if you are listening something new for the first time.
Pure bliss. It is so capturing when he asks the audience may I carry on. Does this interest you. The beauty of this video is in the little moments when he smiles and his innocence comes forward.💙
Extraordinary speech by JK Sir, need to watch again to understand more about attentive worshipful state, thank you for sharing this video.
My advice if you want to try this, for best results sleep without a pillow. It helps a great deal as soon as you use a pillow it slow down the blood flow to your brain.
I used this as a mechanical engineer. Solved many problems. But it remains a mistery for me. You have to let go, and trust. An ego is not helpfull.
Tension stresses the body to take action, when you have yet to solve a way out of the misery you experience in given situations that are stressful.
Let the body have it’s peace and it will reward you with intelligence beyond comprehension. Just stay present, relaxed and clear the mind and it will come sooner or later. I usually like to call it a ‘creep’ like type of information, it creeps up on you slowly as you place your concentration on the matter while hitting the gas pedals ( of the arousal states of concentration and attention ) with minimal effort slowly into the ground as you go deeper into thought.
Ego wants all the attention to protect itself.
How marvelously explained!!! Can’t explain how grateful and blessed I feel after watching, reading, listening your talks...❤️🙏🏻❤️
See how passionately he describes his beauty, wisdom and he loves it.😊
I don't think he is talking about his beuty, but the beuty and wisdom in general
I have no word for K only love.
The mind always seeks order. Thus, our attempt to tame the mind by bringing order with effort creates a disorder. However, when we sleep the mind is in a completely attentive state (wakefulness) without any order or effort. For us to harness this state in the daytime we need to be observant yet not occupied with what we observe which put our minds in order without having to put an effort. Therefore, the mind is in a meditative state.
What is order? I m unable to understand could you explain
do you follow sir? water remains water.
The real scientist.
So possess lesser and want lesser day by day ... die to whatever undone or well-done for the day, go to bed early, with the 🌞⛅, like those good ol' days, and sleep well.... Nourish spirituality!
One must save all these 1970 Malibu videos of K. Just marvelous and very essence of his life's teaching
Truly spectacular to listen this talk 👌🏻🙏thank you for bringing this , to discover what he’s saying is truly amazing, hoping we can all attain it some time in our lives
Has any one felt actively dissolving oneself ? . I have it's just the most wonderful thing that can happen . What you have to do is while going to sleep . Lay down on your bed in supine position and then gently close your eyes now start relaxing your body while observing yourself without any thought without any feeling, just simple awareness of oneself relaxing each and every part of your body. Initially you will feel your breath going deeper and then it will subside with the feeling of oneself falling in eternity, complete weightlessness, complete awareness of oneself. That's when order is established. Remember you don't have to sleep . Just be aware of yourself and feel that tingling ecstasy going in entire body . That's when you will loose everything physical and it will be just you. Pure bliss!!
( It may take time but keep doing if not that day try other day just keep trying and you will be able to get it)
Love this glad to have found someone with the same experience
What does he mean by "complete order" during the day or wakeful state?
To be without motive, without effort. An attentive state of being. Choiceless awareness. Without a centre.
The absence of " me" , effortlessly Observing, Witnessing, Experiencing, Listening, Learning.
Nothing At All.
The natural meditative stateless state of Being.
Namaste ✌🙌💚🌞👍🤗
Pay full attention to whatever you are doing. When you are eating, don't think of anything else, just pay total attention to the process of eating. The touch of your fingers on the food, the texture, the sight of the food, the aroma etc. Don't define for example, the food is white in color, the food smells like mango etc. Don't add your definitions, instead just be aware. When you chew, be completely conscious of the chewing process. Be aware of the food passing down the throat.
Do this for all your activities.
This is what is total order, without any conflicts.
@@jaglinuxmint my problem is when i m fully aware of everything in present moment i get tired after a day or two or after few hours. What should i do?
Try to let meditation happen. I have been practicing yogic exercises since 2015 Oct but only twice or thrice did I actually meditate(or it just happened). When you have tasted such meditation, you can follow him. When I saw the title of the video, i know that he is going to get into it. In my case, my uncle somehow brought order and hence more awareness in me and gave me a private room exclusively for me to meditate. I didn't open my eyes because I became dumb or inattentive. I woke up because my mind gave a tremendous fight because it is endangered. It has to do something or else, it will be destroyed by the force of my observation. It literally tried to hallucinate me and I can see it. When I opened my eyes, i realised that my body was literally sleeping. If I have proceeded further, i might have destroyed my silly mind. I wish you to let meditation happen in you and let any the silly mind get destroyed (i am not calling you silly, please understand. I am actually wishing you out of respect. Seek for real meditation. The search is totally worthy of anything and everything you invest👍)
Thank you for sharing J. Krishnamurti's wisdom! you are truly awesome and wonderful as always ^^
The trouble with jk is that his speech will leave you totally shaken and helpless. You will be wrenched away from your earlier belief systems and you are left totally defenseless and naked. Now how can it be called compassion?
What a surprise I just took a nap and practing wakefulness while asleep and I was telling about my sleep awareness to my mother and this wonderful video pop up in notification. I am amazed thanku .
There is no coincidence in the Universe!
NewCultureofPeace&Love.....Now!🙏
Is Google listening to everyone? Or coinsidence?
Watch "social dilemma"
No coincidence. Many, many times I've had coincidences like this. Also in dreams. Once I dreamed about using a slingshot. I had played with one in my childhood, but wasn't something too memorable. I think that was the first time I dreamed about this in years. Then, on that day I went to have lunch in the restaurant as usual. And on the TV there, I watched a bit of a movie, and there was a girl using a slingshot. On itself might not be too lower of a probability, but I frequently notice coincidences like that.
S R I S*
WOW!
Wonderful ❤️... எப்பொழுதும் விழித்திரு ❤️
oalltthu poitu
Yes unfortunately it's all Greek to most of us🙏.
Grateful for sharing words of wisdom by JK💞
Processed sugar, a bad diet, no exercise, nicotine, caffeine, alcohol etc is the reason it seems ‘Greek’ to all of us. How the hell are you supposed to know the natural states of the mind and body when we’ve been indulging in this crap since childhood?
Let alone the fact that we find comfort in meaningless entertainment, or entertainment that has ulterior motives to gain from the consumer while leaving the consumer with nothing of value but to be a loyal customer....
@@Ray2311us true, a silent retreat in the mountains where I barely spoke for 10 days and ate simple food made me realise my intelligence. I could go through a 200 page book in one hour, I had focus, I was not craving, my childhood dreams memories came back to me
@@Ray2311us You are correct. But, we should not think in terms of " we are Victims ". We won't get anything by blaming our society. It satisfies our ego. Start from wherever you are. Remain watchful and aware of your daily activities without goal.
I have seldom seen him this excited 😊
❤️
What goes wrong in the case of insomnia? Pure torture....
I love how it seems that JK goes from moments of complete joy, to instant disappointment over and over lol 😂😂😂
Yes I never sleep well from last many years because of thoughts ( Fear, Frustration, Failures, etc)
Practice breathing exercises... there are many kinds. I find it helpful.
the background is such it seems he is on the moon .
😂
LOL
Sleep on it, as they say, and all will be good in the morning.
This is the greatest mystery ✨
The brain is a massive problem solving machine during the day in the evening it is time to rest, now we govern from stillness and invite divinity to play, Pure Imagination.
Happie
! A heightened awareness or attention as he calls it is brought into the deep sleep state! Normally, you don't notice it, only in hindsight after waking up but by bringing awareness to that state, you go beyond it into something which words and language, which was made as an expression of the mind, can't reach. Words fall away from it like water off a ducks back. Further experimentation will be done on this, I've only just scratched the surface. This is extremely interesting 😮
He said, I am not your Guru!
Fantastic, cos each one has your line up to investigate.
Kisses to all, Brazil-Sao Paulo
Good point! Paz
Grazie mille 🙏! Thank you a lot! 🙏
To think about the unthinkable.
Wow
Listening to jkrishnmurti is to establish oneself into being. .
Great... It's pure witness state of awake.. News.. This.. Is.. Amness.. Jk.. Is.. Pointing to... This is natural order.. Purity.. Wisdom.
It's beautiful ! Thank you
We can say thank you when we learn to keep the mind quiet
spirituality is not a philosophy but a science, in order to be benefited you must ask questions, a lot of it, and perform experiments. Exactly as there is a manual for a machine but you really learn by working with it!
How can I being order mind during day😁😁
Can I get written text of this talk or the book in which this talk is mentioned please? I have few books by jk but didn't read about sleep.
Regards
Very very thankful... Sharing this video...
We are a sleepy race of people however if our minds are naturally silent without conflict then this transition of awake to sleep is seamless.
15:40 The original quote and content by JK that which inspired Bruce Lee and he made it into his philosophy. The water philosophy.
a porta foi aberta aos humanos...
Ola, poderia elaborar, port favour.
order means no effort at any time? That is hard to grasp
Listening to J krishnamurty is a meditation itself where mind stops ,just stops and there is totally pure awareness .
yes...or living in the moment..each and every one.
he is a person of great knowledge, so much awareness, and knows about things in so much depth. he is so inspiring. i admire him so much.
Hes talking about samadhi
13:42 “during the day it cannot touch”
Was thinking about this topic since morning! ♥ thank you very 💜💜💜
Alot of ego,arrogance goes along with all this supposed knowing.
Please upload complete series of these discussions 🙏 or tell from where we can find out 🙏
ruclips.net/p/PL1n30s-LKus7l-en8EJlB9lSreiJ0Ekff
Thank you for asking 😉
@@KFoundation I cannot open this link. Please give another link.
I am so glad K discussed this matter! 🙂
I see lol, u still alive, good good bye bye.
Series of these vedios?
Absolutely brilliant! There’s something about this talk that reminds me of when Don Juan in the Castaneda books said that the duality is peculiar because we’re dreaming them, and they’re dreaming us...or something like that. So to hear JK saying the real mind becomes alert, when the muddled disorderly mind goes to sleep...it’s pinged something in my psyche lol!
Lots of food for thought here. He’s right, this is the greatest mystery. 🙂💕👍🏻
The Castaneda books were some of my first books at the start of my spiritual journey more than fifty-five years ago. I still think about them occasionally when something triggers the connection like this particular talk.
OMG! I understand the value of
'Order"
Thanks you Master
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Thank You !
Thank you for sharing these precious presentations with us all.
Congratulations for 300k+ viewership🎉🎊🎁
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Advaita says dreamless deep sleep state is the perfect sleep where there is no awareness of body, mind, thoughts etc.
JK stresses more upon Mind and thought. Here the awareness of I remains so the mind and thoughts. The I and the ego remains here.
Whereas Advaita advocates on Self alone which is just beyond the awareness of mind and thoughts. I does not remain here it’s only self and there is no ego.
The final Destruction of the mind is the absolute self state. Effortless thought free state.
Thanks so much
Super..but it s difficult ..anyway still lear and learn and maket it as habit...
thank you for this lovely part
Listening to K. I realize that my (the brain's) final, deathbed thought might easily be: "Oh Well!"...... Oh well.
Seriously... I thought the same! How fantastic a universe he's opened up for me with this talk...
Can someone tell me the complete lecture name?
ruclips.net/video/Nv-o-jJRdgw/видео.html
@@KFoundation thank you so much 😍🙏
the problem with krishnamurti is, it is very logical what he says, so I say yes, but this in itself doesn't mean that he is right. How many people experience what he is saying? Otherwise it is exchanging one story with another
His all talks are intriguing and awesome. But this is very lively, trying hard with charm in his face to make the listeners to understand.
Create an order in waking hours and while you sleep you will have wakeful sleep and attentive sleep, where there is no DISORDER.
The only problem here is the discussion is a bit abstract, because K is the one in many billions whose mind is completely quiet in sleep. I think his other talks seem far more relatable to most of us. Still a valuable insight.
Real
In spanish please
Timeless lessons ❤️💎
If he was a man who had to earn his living like everybody else I could believe that he found "truth" as this process
After >1 year of mindfulness meditation (each day) I can get lucid dreams several times each month, I suppose this is what Krishnamurti is talking about.
I have reached this state, during sleep brain stays awake but mind still stays free to chatter ,and dream ,
The mind is awake when the brain rests. Interesting.