His talks are so mindfog removing= like a fresh breeze ...awsome...it makes u even inquire more intense...which keeps u fresh and not makes u tired= amazing❤ Thx 4 the uploud❤
Witnessing a fact , from pure. Subjectivity lens to facts any facts makes one realize the illusion of it. All facts are root of false i me and the diership..realizing this by witnessing clarity and there then one is field of choiceless awareness... that what is being said by sir. Very difficult task to put that which can't be told expressed in an expression... because all expression is only partial and so untrue. ❤❤❤
Exactly. All expression is an idea and thus not what there really is. Thus, facts cannot be communicated. They can only be experienced. Only abstractions of facts can be communicated. If you want to understand, don't label but simply look.
Why so ...beacause any expression is again entering the kingdom realm of mind. Which feeds on judgement analysis comparison etc to survive through ur focus or attachment...any doership so small u can't notice but deep down it is is mind. So a very sharp awarenessing is needed totally to know ones pure presence here and now..if u just are... everything is just as it is...there is a order ..and the language of it is...silence of silence...bless were those who were in jk vicinity...and known it by experience not by words or mind.
Why do we turn facts into ideas? For example: What should we...? What must we...? What will happen...? Ideas are easier to pursue than facts. We generate thoughts because dealing with facts directly can be challenging, and as a result, we tend to escape into ideas, ideologies, concepts, beliefs, ideals. These become our conditioning; we are educated in ideas rather than handling facts. Thoughts and ideas create division; they separate us. It is crucial to discern so that we can face facts and remain with fact (fear) without rushing to condemnation, instead of trying to escape, avoid, suppress, deny or control it.
Maybe the idea is born out of communication? Maybe when consciousness expands its like a body growing at different rates for ears, arms, legs ect. and our seemingly individuated consciousness getting lost a bit by not slowing down enough with our immediate intake of experience and lumping all the pieces of reality from subtle to gross together. Gentlemen like Mr. Krishnamurti are reminding us and opening the door holding our hand metaphorically but also clearly boldly stating that this is a solitary task full stop. You and you alone can and will realize the very light inside you that is your intangible , untouchable and unspeakable awareness is the pathway. Knowing or coming from a realtime perspective would be crutial it seems to realization.
yes, time is the psychological root of fear. In dealing with 'what should be', 'what may happen', or coming upon a different worldview than one's own, one attempts to fix time's relative nature. But, sitting with fear instead, the actual feeling, dissapates it back into a natural rhythm. The body is not interested in abstraction and seperation.
Fact: ideas exist. Trying to see the world without them is both an interesting and educational exercise, but, ultimately, they exist _for a reason_ the same goes for thoughts.
Thoughts and ideas are definitely necessary, what are they necessary for? completing tasks, getting from point a to b, furthering scientific discovery, ect. are they necessary for understanding relationship?
I’m so sick of fear. They try to explain how to fight fear .. I’m my case if usualy I fear something. The damn thing. It becomes reality…. Now how can you ignore that ? Just move on ? It’s so fk up. Situation
Only compassion can eliminate fear. Which means when you understand that “my fear” is not really “mine” but is a part of entire humanity, then you look at it with wonder. Like how newton saw the apple fall. The mind has to be relaxed (or unoccupied) for this to happen
Does fear not go hand in hand with limitation? In particular, the fear that comes with being a limited physical body, in a limited physical world, with a limited relationship with the rest of life?
Hand in hand with limitation or not what you trying to say is it is unavoidable. And yes. Who knows if only limits are the cause. But sure, those don't help. To know you cannot help but to sleep 8 hours a day when you would rather spend them working not to end living in the street can be one a serious and fearful limitation. Even the idea of not having fear, if you hadn't fear, could end up being fearful. So, unavoidable. Unless you truly don't care for anything whatsoever. Also impossible. Everybody knows being cold or starving hurts a lot. But if these were far from being a problem to you, then not caring about anything can only lead to boredom and becoming suicidal.
Yes, For example, Oceans and other massive bodies of water are always Level. This is empirically evidence is available to all who dare to look. But fear comes, resulting in cognitive dissonance.
Ideas, abstractions, ideals, beliefs, faith, psychological programs and similar are all based on thought (man made “perception”). We live on that and it is all so wrong.
In a way he has to be. If his messages were conveyed too direct more than likely most would either take his word for truth therefore caught in words, negating their own discovery or they would completely discard the information as absurdity because it jumps out of the conditioned familiar stream. Genuinely he is trying to spark insight, but it is much more important for you to look.
The speaker still did not answer his own question: what is the actual fear? I think no one can, the most we can do is to describe the fear actuality as a concept. In Buddhism, this fear concept is like a finger pointing to the moon, the actual fear. The closer the finger points to the moon, the better the concept. Man has no ther way to communicate, but conceptualisation because thats how the brain works.
We are educated to ideas, not educated to deal with facts . Thank you krishnaji 🙏🙏❤️
"We never search, explore that field, we are caught by the world with all its misery". (J.K.)
His talks are so mindfog removing= like a fresh breeze ...awsome...it makes u even inquire more intense...which keeps u fresh and not makes u tired= amazing❤
Thx 4 the uploud❤
Witnessing a fact , from pure. Subjectivity lens to facts any facts makes one realize the illusion of it. All facts are root of false i me and the diership..realizing this by witnessing clarity and there then one is field of choiceless awareness... that what is being said by sir. Very difficult task to put that which can't be told expressed in an expression... because all expression is only partial and so untrue. ❤❤❤
Exactly. All expression is an idea and thus not what there really is. Thus, facts cannot be communicated. They can only be experienced. Only abstractions of facts can be communicated. If you want to understand, don't label but simply look.
Why so ...beacause any expression is again entering the kingdom realm of mind. Which feeds on judgement analysis comparison etc to survive through ur focus or attachment...any doership so small u can't notice but deep down it is is mind. So a very sharp awarenessing is needed totally to know ones pure presence here and now..if u just are... everything is just as it is...there is a order ..and the language of it is...silence of silence...bless were those who were in jk vicinity...and known it by experience not by words or mind.
Why do we turn facts into ideas? For example: What should we...? What must we...? What will happen...? Ideas are easier to pursue than facts. We generate thoughts because dealing with facts directly can be challenging, and as a result, we tend to escape into ideas, ideologies, concepts, beliefs, ideals. These become our conditioning; we are educated in ideas rather than handling facts.
Thoughts and ideas create division; they separate us. It is crucial to discern so that we can face facts and remain with fact (fear) without rushing to condemnation, instead of trying to escape, avoid, suppress, deny or control it.
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Thanks for this, 🎯♥😶 🙏☮
“Fear is a dreadful thing.” - Jiddu Krishnamurti
Maybe the idea is born out of communication? Maybe when consciousness expands its like a body growing at different rates for ears, arms, legs ect. and our seemingly individuated consciousness getting lost a bit by not slowing down enough with our immediate intake of experience and lumping all the pieces of reality from subtle to gross together. Gentlemen like Mr. Krishnamurti are reminding us and opening the door holding our hand metaphorically but also clearly boldly stating that this is a solitary task full stop. You and you alone can and will realize the very light inside you that is your intangible , untouchable and unspeakable awareness is the pathway. Knowing or coming from a realtime perspective would be crutial it seems to realization.
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JK is a great saint 🙏
yes, time is the psychological root of fear. In dealing with 'what should be', 'what may happen', or coming upon a different worldview than one's own, one attempts to fix time's relative nature. But, sitting with fear instead, the actual feeling, dissapates it back into a natural rhythm. The body is not interested in abstraction and seperation.
Fast forward to 07:24 for the video title.
Fact: ideas exist. Trying to see the world without them is both an interesting and educational exercise, but, ultimately, they exist _for a reason_ the same goes for thoughts.
Thoughts and ideas are definitely necessary, what are they necessary for? completing tasks, getting from point a to b, furthering scientific discovery, ect. are they necessary for understanding relationship?
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Fear, the root of organized, compartmentalized and tax free conflict.
I’m so sick of fear. They try to explain how to fight fear .. I’m my case if usualy I fear something. The damn thing. It becomes reality…. Now how can you ignore that ? Just move on ? It’s so fk up. Situation
you can't ignore it, you have to shift your perspective, turn the prism.
objective truth requires no specific emotion
You are separating fear from yourself .It's an illusion that you are different and u can act on it.just observe .find out for urself
Only compassion can eliminate fear. Which means when you understand that “my fear” is not really “mine” but is a part of entire humanity, then you look at it with wonder. Like how newton saw the apple fall. The mind has to be relaxed (or unoccupied) for this to happen
Does fear not go hand in hand with limitation? In particular, the fear that comes with being a limited physical body, in a limited physical world, with a limited relationship with the rest of life?
In other words, the need for self-preservation. The need for transcending the limits can be reduced to the need for self-preservation.
Hand in hand with limitation or not what you trying to say is it is unavoidable. And yes. Who knows if only limits are the cause. But sure, those don't help. To know you cannot help but to sleep 8 hours a day when you would rather spend them working not to end living in the street can be one a serious and fearful limitation. Even the idea of not having fear, if you hadn't fear, could end up being fearful. So, unavoidable. Unless you truly don't care for anything whatsoever. Also impossible. Everybody knows being cold or starving hurts a lot. But if these were far from being a problem to you, then not caring about anything can only lead to boredom and becoming suicidal.
a C of flames what comes from the water goes back to the water
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Doesn't all fear come from the need of self-preservation? I exist, I want to exist. Isn't that clinging the root of all fear?
Yes that's all
Yes, For example, Oceans and other massive bodies of water are always Level.
This is empirically evidence is available to all who dare to look.
But fear comes, resulting in cognitive dissonance.
Ideas, abstractions, ideals, beliefs, faith, psychological programs and similar are all based on thought (man made “perception”). We live on that and it is all so wrong.
Sometimes I think K is too cryptic for our own good.
I thought so too for quit a while But lately I started to get many Things He is talking about.
In a way he has to be. If his messages were conveyed too direct more than likely most would either take his word for truth therefore caught in words, negating their own discovery or they would completely discard the information as absurdity because it jumps out of the conditioned familiar stream. Genuinely he is trying to spark insight, but it is much more important for you to look.
gets easier
The speaker still did not answer his own question: what is the actual fear? I think no one can, the most we can do is to describe the fear actuality as a concept. In Buddhism, this fear concept is like a finger pointing to the moon, the actual fear. The closer the finger points to the moon, the better the concept. Man has no ther way to communicate, but conceptualisation because thats how the brain works.
Fear is a sensation.
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