My 2616 square came in with white spots on the anodized surface of the square. Called customer support, Mandy of the CS department acted swiftly to get the issue resolved. With that kind of customer service, Woodpeckers surely does know how to keep a customer for sure!
I've had the 2616 square for several years and use it frequently for squaring up sheets of plywood with the track saw. Also use it in cabinet construction making sure the side panels are square to the face frame. A great tool to have in the shop!
Jeff, I just received my 2616 and damn near pulled out my back lifting it out of the box. 😁 You just can’t appreciate the quality of these squares until you actually get one in your hands. It is a great compliment to my 1281. I also received my MFT Layout & Assembly Square, I love how easy it makes setting up or verifying my MFT table. It is also extremely solid and I plan on getting another one for assembly work. Thanks again Jeff, keep’em coming!
You folks are GREAT! Now I 'll have to go to my wish list and move someting to the cart. Lets see what about the 641-851 Square Combo set, or the 32 Inch T-Square, or wait, maybe the Rip-Flip for a Sawstop??? 🤷♂️
I have been waiting for several years for a new production run of the MFT Square, a "One Time Tool". I did not have an MFT back in 2015 when it was made but bought one just after the MFT Square was retired. I have the squares you showed in this video but I believe the MFT Square is easier for squaring the guide rail although not as versatile. Please offer the MFT Square again!!!! Thanks for all the great products over the years!
Lou, I doubt that one will ever make a comeback. It was a very nice design, but pretty expensive for a single purpose tool. We did a solid phenolic one a couple years later, and that one has been popular enough that it has been made a permanent product. You can find it here: www.woodpeck.com/mft-layout-assembly-square-19.html
Thanks! I have 3 of the phenolic ones along with the bench dogs. Again, it's just not the same. I would like to make another suggestion....on your website page(s) where you show/list your "One-Time-Tools", it would be helpful if you included the price when they launched. I have been asked to help price some of the "One-Time-Tools" when selling off a workshop in an estate sale or just for the secondary market and it would have been helpful to know what they originaly sold for. Thanks again!
The newer models of MFT - MFT3 IIRC - are designed to have the crosscut rail sit on the other side (right) of the stops, so it is nearly in the middle of the table rather than the left end. I think this is so the end of the cut doesn't split a chunk off as it drops and it means you don't need to grab the offcut to stop it hitting the floor (or your toes DAMHIK). I used my MFT for years with the guide on the left end before I found this out recently (Peter Millard/10 Minute Workshop), after I had cut the left end off the table top and it warped.
I was ready to buy the 2616 but they're not available. It's exactly what I need for squaring up my track to the fence. They're not available for another 2 months. I have the 1281 and it's awesome but a bit small for squaring a guide rail. My 1281 would have been happier sharing space with its big brother the 2616 but it'll have to get used to being with TSO's 18" precision triangle. For basic tools I'd like to see them available year round. Obviously Woodpeckers has a business model that seems to work them but for a lot of customers we have to look elsewhere for high quality tools because they don't have the product to sell.
Have you ever considered extending the marks to the edge of the blade? Considering the thickness of the blade, parallax is easily introduced when trying to make a mark to a tick at the top of the blade.
That's why we introduced the stainless steel models. We can produce a thinner blade with virtually no parallax in stainless. But, for checking square, I prefer the aluminum.
@@WoodpeckersLLC Ah, that makes sense. I received my 2616 a few weeks ago and it was the first thing I noticed when doing some layout. I didn't even think to order the stainless. Next order, I guess :-)
Does the 1812 come with canons? . I have the 1281..prolly too short for this application, but it can produce an accurate 90 deg (within one thou per blade foot…just like the 2618) on a long line, by laying a checked straight edge along it.
Hi Jeff, I enjoy watching your very informative videos and have subsequently purchased a few Woodpecker’s tools after based on the versatility and accuracy of the equipment demonstrated. There was one video in which you were demonstrating the 2616 Precision Woodworking Square and highlighted the fact that some of the large sheets of wood are not completely true or square. I was hoping that you might be able to provide the reference url for that particular video as I just cannot seem to find said video. MVH, Charles Bruce, Sweden.
I own a number of woodpecker tools. I am a cabinet maker and can usually easily justify the cost. Great company and exemplary quality. A Lie Nielsen # 62 low angle jack plane cost $265. That’s less than the sale price on the 2616.
ruclips.net/channel/UCDXjZxWuwVvvtibuMVuUnWw Which shop cabinets? The ones directly behind my bench, or the bench itself? Don't have videos on either one, but I am thinking about doing a few more feet of the back cabinet and I'm in the middle of shooting one on my radial arm saw table, which is very similar to the workbench.
@@WoodpeckersLLC Recently you did a Deep Dive about the Track Saw Accessory and showed the frame you were making an insert for your radial arm saw table.
I have these squares and after watching this have learned new ways to use them. What really caught my eye though are the “adapter “ plugs on the Festool tools. How did you do those mods?
Mike the Plug-It adapters for old Festools are not available in North America. A friend of a friend sent a dozen over from the UK, and my friend graciously sold me a couple. I needed one for my AT-65 and my little OF-1000 router.
I appreciate you tabbing the video so I could get to where you made the top. I would have been more bummed to watch 8 minutes to find out all you did is cut the top square, and not a fancy trick with the square to precisely layout the holes on the MFT, given the title was make an MFT table top. But - awesome square nonetheless.
Joe, I agree the title should have been how to "Cut" an MFT top. Watch next Friday. We just finished shooting the follow up where we used our Hole Boring Jig to cut the holes.
Check your Festool owner's manual. It says that the dog holes are for clamping and were never designed or intended as an alignment reference for the fence.
@@WoodpeckersLLC But with the video planned for next week, using your hole boring jig on the blank MDO sheet, the implication is the dog hole locations will be sufficiently accurate to perform squaring/45 deg activities correct? I guess there are tolerances in the dogs, etc. but would think both the 2616 and the hole boring jig to be roughly the same level of accuracy.
@@Anewtube4you I wouldn't trust the holes, even the ones on a factory table cut with a CNC. Why not follow the manufacturer's advice and square the fence to the rail with a square? And, no, the Hole Boring Jig is not made to the same level of precision as the 2616. If it were, it would never work. There has to be tolerance in the jig and the pins that is far greater than the .001" per foot tolerance of the 2616.
Nothing made by man is 100% anything. Manufacturing tolerance is a fact of life. The allowable tolerance for either over or under 90 degrees is part of every square made. Some companies share their tolerance, others don't. In general, those that hold their tolerance extremely close are more willing to share that information with the public. Our tolerance of .0085 degrees is one of the strictest on the market. Remember, .0085 degrees out of alignment means the square fails and goes in the recycle bin. That means that anything that goes out the door is between 89.99 and 90.01. That is less than the thickness of a human hair at the far end of the square. The vast majority are 89.999x to 90.000x. It takes laboratory grade measuring equipment to even quantify how far out a square might be.
My 2616 square came in with white spots on the anodized surface of the square. Called customer support, Mandy of the CS department acted swiftly to get the issue resolved. With that kind of customer service, Woodpeckers surely does know how to keep a customer for sure!
I've had the 2616 square for several years and use it frequently for squaring up sheets of plywood with the track saw. Also use it in cabinet construction making sure the side panels are square to the face frame. A great tool to have in the shop!
Jeff, I just received my 2616 and damn near pulled out my back lifting it out of the box. 😁 You just can’t appreciate the quality of these squares until you actually get one in your hands. It is a great compliment to my 1281. I also received my MFT Layout & Assembly Square, I love how easy it makes setting up or verifying my MFT table. It is also extremely solid and I plan on getting another one for assembly work. Thanks again Jeff, keep’em coming!
I lost my "Hearted Comment" after correcting a spelling error.🤦♂️
You folks are GREAT! Now I 'll have to go to my wish list and move someting to the cart. Lets see what about the 641-851 Square Combo set, or the 32 Inch T-Square, or wait, maybe the Rip-Flip for a Sawstop??? 🤷♂️
I went ahead and bought a SS 6" Paolini Pocket Rule. I guess that was only a (wait for it)... "Half Hearted" wish list purchase. 🤦♂️
I have been waiting for several years for a new production run of the MFT Square, a "One Time Tool". I did not have an MFT back in 2015 when it was made but bought one just after the MFT Square was retired. I have the squares you showed in this video but I believe the MFT Square is easier for squaring the guide rail although not as versatile. Please offer the MFT Square again!!!! Thanks for all the great products over the years!
Lou, I doubt that one will ever make a comeback. It was a very nice design, but pretty expensive for a single purpose tool. We did a solid phenolic one a couple years later, and that one has been popular enough that it has been made a permanent product. You can find it here: www.woodpeck.com/mft-layout-assembly-square-19.html
Thanks! I have 3 of the phenolic ones along with the bench dogs. Again, it's just not the same. I would like to make another suggestion....on your website page(s) where you show/list your "One-Time-Tools", it would be helpful if you included the price when they launched. I have been asked to help price some of the "One-Time-Tools" when selling off a workshop in an estate sale or just for the secondary market and it would have been helpful to know what they originaly sold for. Thanks again!
Exceptional and informative videos, Jeff. Thanks for posting.
Well done Jeff. Thank you kind Sir.
Jeden Freitag mein Highlight der Woche :)
vielen Dank
The newer models of MFT - MFT3 IIRC - are designed to have the crosscut rail sit on the other side (right) of the stops, so it is nearly in the middle of the table rather than the left end. I think this is so the end of the cut doesn't split a chunk off as it drops and it means you don't need to grab the offcut to stop it hitting the floor (or your toes DAMHIK). I used my MFT for years with the guide on the left end before I found this out recently (Peter Millard/10 Minute Workshop), after I had cut the left end off the table top and it warped.
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Great stuff, thanks! I'm excited to see how y'all get a perfect grid. There are numerous attempts on RUclips and even a couple successful ones!
Give me enough reasons to buy one of your tools, and a WANT changes to NEED! These video's a great, thank you.
I was ready to buy the 2616 but they're not available. It's exactly what I need for squaring up my track to the fence. They're not available for another 2 months. I have the 1281 and it's awesome but a bit small for squaring a guide rail. My 1281 would have been happier sharing space with its big brother the 2616 but it'll have to get used to being with TSO's 18" precision triangle.
For basic tools I'd like to see them available year round. Obviously Woodpeckers has a business model that seems to work them but for a lot of customers we have to look elsewhere for high quality tools because they don't have the product to sell.
You got the perfect template in your hand, just copy 😇
Have you ever considered extending the marks to the edge of the blade? Considering the thickness of the blade, parallax is easily introduced when trying to make a mark to a tick at the top of the blade.
That's why we introduced the stainless steel models. We can produce a thinner blade with virtually no parallax in stainless. But, for checking square, I prefer the aluminum.
@@WoodpeckersLLC Ah, that makes sense. I received my 2616 a few weeks ago and it was the first thing I noticed when doing some layout. I didn't even think to order the stainless. Next order, I guess :-)
@@HelloAnthony Maybe the 1812 in stainless. I think that's a winning combination.
Does the 1812 come with canons?
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I have the 1281..prolly too short for this application, but it can produce an accurate 90 deg (within one thou per blade foot…just like the 2618) on a long line, by laying a checked straight edge along it.
I always check the diagonals of any squared workpiece.
Way cool!
Hi Jeff,
I enjoy watching your very informative videos and have subsequently purchased a few Woodpecker’s tools after based on the versatility and accuracy of the equipment demonstrated. There was one video in which you were demonstrating the 2616 Precision Woodworking Square and highlighted the fact that some of the large sheets of wood are not completely true or square. I was hoping that you might be able to provide the reference url for that particular video as I just cannot seem to find said video.
MVH, Charles Bruce, Sweden.
I believe you are referring to this one: ruclips.net/video/_cDmOHjDh-E/видео.html
@@WoodpeckersLLC Yes, that’s the one. Many Thanks.
Where did you get the framed poster of the Woodpecker on your shop wall next to the 2616 and 1812 Woodworking Squares?
It was a gift from Rich.
@@WoodpeckersLLC That is a sweet poster, is it copy righted?
Yes, it is.
I would love to have a 2616, I just got a 1281 and have need for an even bigger square, but geez the price just knocks me out of getting one.
I own a number of woodpecker tools. I am a cabinet maker and can usually easily justify the cost. Great company and exemplary quality.
A Lie Nielsen # 62 low angle jack plane cost $265. That’s less than the sale price on the 2616.
@@mainewoods1862 couldn’t agree more, this is the best that money can buy, have 20+ tools and everyone is outstanding. You get what you pay for
@@mainewoods1862
I have the Lie-Nielsen rabbet block plane. Nice tool.
Como faço pra obter os valores e adquirir o produto?
Didn't you mention you had You Tube channel. I'm hoping you show how to make your shop cabinets, may I have it please.
ruclips.net/channel/UCDXjZxWuwVvvtibuMVuUnWw
Which shop cabinets? The ones directly behind my bench, or the bench itself? Don't have videos on either one, but I am thinking about doing a few more feet of the back cabinet and I'm in the middle of shooting one on my radial arm saw table, which is very similar to the workbench.
@@WoodpeckersLLC Recently you did a Deep Dive about the Track Saw Accessory and showed the frame you were making an insert for your radial arm saw table.
Yep. I'm progressing on that and will have a video up in a couple weeks.
@@WoodpeckersLLC Thank-you, will look forward to it. BTW, what is your channel called?
hello from méxico
Hola mi amigo!
I have these squares and after watching this have learned new ways to use them. What really caught my eye though are the “adapter “ plugs on the Festool tools. How did you do those mods?
Mike the Plug-It adapters for old Festools are not available in North America. A friend of a friend sent a dozen over from the UK, and my friend graciously sold me a couple. I needed one for my AT-65 and my little OF-1000 router.
The only thing it miss is the scale on the side edge of square, because of that thick its hard to layout measure to the material
Old enough to drink. Funny line. So to is your track saw with a metal base. Is that an old 55 or 65?
AT-65
This guy doesn't have a woodpecker adjustable track square???!!!! Hmmm, I don't believe it. 😂
I appreciate you tabbing the video so I could get to where you made the top.
I would have been more bummed to watch 8 minutes to find out all you did is cut the top square, and not a fancy trick with the square to precisely layout the holes on the MFT, given the title was make an MFT table top.
But - awesome square nonetheless.
Joe, I agree the title should have been how to "Cut" an MFT top. Watch next Friday. We just finished shooting the follow up where we used our Hole Boring Jig to cut the holes.
I don't see why you don't reference the edge off the bench dog holes for square to the track saw which should be more accurate
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Thanks for sharing have a blessed day in Jesus name
Out of curiosity, why not just square it up with bench dogs ????
Check your Festool owner's manual. It says that the dog holes are for clamping and were never designed or intended as an alignment reference for the fence.
@@WoodpeckersLLC But with the video planned for next week, using your hole boring jig on the blank MDO sheet, the implication is the dog hole locations will be sufficiently accurate to perform squaring/45 deg activities correct? I guess there are tolerances in the dogs, etc. but would think both the 2616 and the hole boring jig to be roughly the same level of accuracy.
@@Anewtube4you I wouldn't trust the holes, even the ones on a factory table cut with a CNC. Why not follow the manufacturer's advice and square the fence to the rail with a square? And, no, the Hole Boring Jig is not made to the same level of precision as the 2616. If it were, it would never work. There has to be tolerance in the jig and the pins that is far greater than the .001" per foot tolerance of the 2616.
why not make A Square that is 100% accurate? i dont understNd the upgraded price for a non upvraded price?
Nothing made by man is 100% anything. Manufacturing tolerance is a fact of life. The allowable tolerance for either over or under 90 degrees is part of every square made. Some companies share their tolerance, others don't. In general, those that hold their tolerance extremely close are more willing to share that information with the public. Our tolerance of .0085 degrees is one of the strictest on the market. Remember, .0085 degrees out of alignment means the square fails and goes in the recycle bin. That means that anything that goes out the door is between 89.99 and 90.01. That is less than the thickness of a human hair at the far end of the square. The vast majority are 89.999x to 90.000x. It takes laboratory grade measuring equipment to even quantify how far out a square might be.
lol! Festool fence is so outdated.