Using The Original 'Cheese Grater' Power Mac G5!
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024
- Today we are upgrading and fixing up this 2005 Apple Power Mac G5 that I got in a large lot of computers. Can it still be useful and usable in 2019? Let's find out ;) #Apple #PowerMac #G5 #Mac
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Full Power Mac G5 Specifications after upgrades *spoilers*
2x 2.0GHz PowerPC G5 750fx Processors
4GB of PC3200 DDR 400MHz Ram
120GB SATA 3 Kingston SSD
128MB ATI Radeon 9600 Graphics Card
Mac OS 10.5.8 Leopard
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Loved it. I'm watching it on a 2008 cheesegrater which is working amazingly well and have one of the G5s gathering dust downstairs so it was nice to see this old workhorse being given some TLC. Would love to see a video of a 3,1 from 2008 getting maxed out as I'm torn between buying the more popular 5,1 but I reckon with some hacks from dosdude (I'm running High Sierra and have s 2gb GTX 960 thanks to his guide) that the 2008 model could be a pretty good machine. If you have one lying around would be great to see how far you can push it spec wise
Did you read my comment about the isophrophyl alcohol? If you did I hope it helped you as I know how much easier it is to use than what you were using before :P
@@jamietees1582 It could have been your comment 🙂 A few people pointed out that I shouldn't use oil based cleaners on CPUs. Thanks for the advice 👌
@@psivewrimakes life way easier to clean :) I have to admit I did laugh when you said eucalyptus oil and then when I was waiting for you to say it in this video I nearly fell of my chair when you said isopropyl 😂😂 if you ever need any hints or help at all, I'm a qualified IT engineer, let me know always there.
Psivewri your a cheese grater
1080p on a 14 year old Mac? That's pretty bananas, a true screamer I'd say
My 2002 G4 powerbook still does 360p YT on a 4200rpm HDD/512mb ram, better than my ipad mini 1st gen lol.
Yep! It was actually pretty decent to edit on. Honestly when I dug deep enough there was I lot of could achieve in iMovie.
@@aegonthedragon7303 Mmmm, how is that a feat, though?
The thing is 17 years and can do things some computers, phones, tablets could never do.
It's old as shit and power hungry
I really miss that "Magic" Apple had and I can even feel how that was through this video, but it faded out piece by piece since Steve left us.
The 2012 MacBook Pro (which I have now around) has the special thing still in it. Looks nice, has now major flaws (because I bought the 13 Inch with Intel HD) and has all the standard Ports and stuff you might need.
I put a SSD in it, 8 Gigs of Ram and that thing runs also Windows 10 fast. ^^
Rip Steve
Macs are still a lot better than anything else IMO
ModernMozartMC just marginally better, theyve let a lot of companies catch up. Back in steves day they were leaps and bounds more innovative.
Yeah, they use to have that ,,thinking different “ spark, the names has a lot of fun and magic: like iCal, Time Machine, etc. The space approach...Design, the mac pro from this video fit perfectly with Cinema Display, and the mac os x design was also so damn good..now is just flat modern cardboard....maybe one day..
Man I loved these G5s. There was no thought for power efficiency or power per watt at all, it was pure brute force power from those PowerPC CPUs. They were as powerful as possible, huge power power supplies and tonnes of fans to keep it cool. Lovely.
A true powerhouse of a computer for 2005
“Cheese Grater”, more like “Mac n Cheese”
Luxe Mac n dust
Mac, cheese n dust
Your icon looks like it’s double secured so the phrase “turn that frown upside down” won’t work.....
Mac cheese shit n fart
This thing was such a beast. 50lbs, insane power consumption.... its like the 12 cylinder engine of old macs
2003: whole machine for $1000
2019: $1000 stand
Those machines did not cost $1000. They costed 3x that much in 2003, and that was in 2003 prices.
Michael Timpson and in 2003 specs
Ever hEaRd of inflation
This machine was expensive for its time, I would guess it cost like $1999 at least and performance/price ratio was just horrible...
These were expensive but not unobtainable expensive (vs the current Mac Pro). I bought a cheese grater G5 with a misused student loan and didn't even have to eat ramen for a year afterward.
You only had to pull out the center piece of the the plastic rivet, no need to mangle it
If I could go back in time, I would have taken the less destructive path 😂
my car has similar looking rivets, and for them you pop *in* the center post, then the rivet can easily be pulled out. When you go to insert it again, the center pushes out like a button and you put the rivet in place then push it to be even with the body of the rivet.
Yes. And it was a cringe moment.
Yes - Push out the center from the bottom with a small flat blade screwdriver. :)
@@psivewri The cpu screws dont need to come out, just let them loose. About yt, no way its running on 720p. I have a g5 ppc dual 2ghz 2gb ram and barely runs 240p yt!
I own 2 G5s, and I love them! I still use them for daily tasks, and unless you are in a serious rush, they still are very capable computers for almost everything except modern gaming. Glad to see another one salvaged and put to good use!
Been using mine as a retro gaming machine, crazy to think that gaming is now a strength of the Powermac G5.
I just started doing the same exact thing to my old dual 2.5 G5 PPC. I like the way you cleaned the case with spirits. Thanks for that tip. I’ve installed an SSD, 8GBs of RAM and I’m running OS X Server (Leopard). I may actually continue to use it as a part time server if the power requirements don’t turn this into an exercise in inefficiency. Good vid. 👍🏼
This was a fantastic restoration and video! I had just started working for Apple in a sales role in early 2004 when these machines were the baddest desktops around, and it was such a thrill to demo the G5 to pro users who needed (or just lusted after) the absolute bleeding-edge extreme performance these machines could provide relative to their peers. My wife actually ended up buying a G5 (dual 2.5GHz) with my sweet 25% employee discount for a major video production project she was working on at the time, and it was just amazing having a legit desktop supercomputer in our house. Anyway, thanks for the video - it brought back a ton of happy memories from that era :-)
PowerMac G5 was my first Mac ever. Great machine & great memories. I also remember that Tiger was running a lot smoother than Lion.
Thank you for the video! It was very well made. This was the first Mac I ever owned. I got it for free, and used it from 2012 to 2014 as my primary Mac. It's a beast.
Finally no eucalyptus oil in this episode 😂
Ok it's sad
It’s crazy how the Power Mac G5 design carried over to the 1st Gen Mac Pro, like how the first Gen MacBook Pro looks like the PowerBook G4. They all had slight differences, like the MacBook Pro had a webcam, the PowerBook G4 didn’t. The Power Mac G5 only had one disk drive, and the Mac Pro had 2.
Nice vid - one thing you should do after removing the CPU (if you haven't already) is run the thermal calibration - otherwise, the fans will run at full speed. You'll need to find the service disc to do this, though.
Thermal recalibration is not necessary if you put the CPU's back into their original positions and heatsinks. I just repasted mine and its pretty quiet. ASD will even tell you if recalibration is not needed.
I never had the G5, I went from the plastic G4 tower to the 2006 cheezegrater MacPro. I’m still using the 2010 cheese grater using FCP X and Logic Pro X.
@Luca Rossi
The 5,1 (2010 ~ 2012) Mac Pro will go to 10.14 (lastest current MacOS) with a Metal compatible card and maybe some extra efforts... (so a Radeon 580 would work).
The 4,1 (2009) Mac Pro can be firmware upgraded to "work/look like" a 5,1 - the hardware is nearly identical.
so a 10 year old Mac can run the current macOS (or MacOSX) well...
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Apple missed the boat with the 2013 Mac Pro, though it looks nice and it was powerful, back in 2014, there is so much expandability lost. Dumb Apple!
My Dad used this daily up until mid 2019. It was a workhorse.
Having watched this when it came out I’m picking up a set of older Mac desktops tomorrow that I found locally online for $100. They all have issues, but based on the description I received most of it is purely software related. Re-watching again to get some insight on what I should do. Thanks, Nathan. Your information is most helpful
The fact that ur ssd showed up but druaga1 had like a 1 hour video trying to get one working and ended up being slower than a hard drive from 1985
well we all know druaga1 has a curse when it comes to computers😂😂
Love that video. Poor Druaga
@@SStarlight9614 Same for me but with some phones
Omg i see u everywhere
Maybe he had some cheap DRAM-less SSD which can be, in some circumstances, worse than a hard drive.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video! I bought one of the original duel 2GHz G5s when they came out in 2003, the first and only time I bought the brand-new top-tier Mac. I loved that machine, and many years later gave it to musician friend. Since then, I managed to pick up another to have around as a reminder. It’s still a surprisingly capable machine, and runs a bunch of my whole PPC software very well.
I've always wanted to pick up one of these to retro-fit modern hardware in. They are so slick!
2:05 “my solution was to install a 120gb Kingston sata based ssd” *ahh, taking the druaga1 route are we?*
I had the Dual 2.0Ghz model and maxed it out to 8GBs of RAM. It was my first serious dedicated photography workstation and I had it till about 2012 when the logic board finally failed. I do remember going through dozens of RAM sticks to get it to work. I think it had to do with it's lineage as basically a home version of an IBM Power Server that made it so picky about RAM.
That lasted pretty long for intense photography like that, especially for 2005
I still have my 2003 1.6Ghz PowerMac G5. It's in a closet these days, but it was my favorite computer I've ever owned. It was just so darned cool back when I bought it. I used it until 2009 when I bought my first Mac Mini. The Mac Mini was 3 times faster than the old PowerMac, but nowhere near as cool. Thanks for making this video! It was fun to look back.
I still have my G5 1.6ghz machine. Love that computer.
same and mine is still rocking
I had several G5's including the watercooled model. Great machines back in the day.
One started leaking on me. TV station motion graphics workhorse. Those machines sucked a lot of dead skin cells. If you didn't keep 'em clean, they would overheat and even throw kernel panics when rendering. Once that happened it was the end. I learned the hard way. Past 90 degrees celsius and they'd panic. I had 14 G5s under my supervision back then. When the jump to Intel came I got 64, plus 32 Xserve and 24 Xserve RAIDs. Good times.
I've had this G5 for like 9 yrs now. Back then I got it for free from a closed down tutoring school. These days I've been looking into completely removing everything and using it as a gaming PC with a unique case. I'm glad I watched this tho. I'll need to figure something out for the dust issue.
I used to have one of these, sadly I had to get rid of it in a recent move. Wish I still had it. that case design alone is beautiful.
I love the design on the PowerMac G5/Early Mac Pro's, it's really a timeless design. Also, love your videos mate! Glad RUclips recommended them to me, sub for sure.
Also a tip for vintage Macs, make a partition on the hard drive 8GB in size, use Disk Utility to "Restore" your Mac OS installer DMG to the HDD partition. If you're using Tiger, Set up the partition when installing Tiger on a freshly formatted drive. Makes reinstalling later down the line a breeze, and there's no limited USB 1.0/ 2.0 transfer speeds.
Awesome video!! I have a g5 that was doing the same thing upon bootup so I’ll be sure to try some of those key strokes to see if I can get it working!
I got 2 of these G5's from my local dump shop for $5
Hitler Cat What a bargain
@@kevinsedwards bahahahahahaha
good i burn blurays in these ruclips.net/video/17cB16szZ-0/видео.html
Where I work the IT dept had one of these sitting in a storeroom unused, gathering dust. At the end of year declutter some overzealous cleanup person decided to throw it in the electrical goods dumpster on campus. After work I went to look for it but it was gone. Sacrilege!
@@oozarusama your video quality gave me cancer
Back in 04'-06' I worked on a G5 tower doing digital media and animation. They were amazing machines at the time.
I'm still using my g5 for recording music
you still do?
Yes sir!
I had a G4, similar system, Cinema Display, Harmon Kardon speakers, mouse, keyboard, DVD player, great!
I’m happy apple are going retro in terms of external design. I just wish they had this thinking when it came to the iPhone’s 10th anniversary. I think that they should’ve released copies of the iPhone 1st generation on June 29,2017 with its small screen and aluminium/black plastic design but internally having modern software and hardware.
I bought one of these that had the watercooling. Opening it up revealed a lot of rust on the power supply, so I didn't even dare power it on. That worked out just fine, though, since my plan was to put my gaming pc inside. It ended up being pretty janky, but it works!
I really love the design of that case and from the front, you can't really tell at all that it's not original. The LED, power button and USB port all work, and the only thing that shows it being not original is that there are fans mounted with small screws to the front.
I own 2 G5's and love them. I have 1 dual core and 1 quad core both late 2005. These G5's are louder than a house fan when they are cooling. When I bought one of mine, when you turned it on it did not make the apple chime at startup. It turned out that one of the two memory cards was damaged and once I replaced it I never had a problem from it. I mainly use them for storing and backing up family pics. The safari browser still connects to some sites, but I found that tenfourfox works far better. I always loved the style, build quality and craftsmanship of the G5 and the Mac Pro.
I had a dual G5 running 10.5 at my old job, as late as the fall of 2015. The machine got the job done just fine, and I imagine it's still giving someone good service today. TenFourFox was a godsend with keeping it useful.
I used an original PowerMac G5 as my daily machine, in 2014. These were loud, but they were otherwise fantastic machines; they were certainly faster and cheaper than the Dell and HP workstations at the time.
I had one of those a long time ago! MAN, was it LOUD! VERY LOUD! But, boy did it perform well for the time with Leopard. I would have kept it, if I hadn’t gotten a MacBook Pro that did everything that computer did and better.
And, thank you Psi. You’re helping me to fulfill some of my dreams of taking these old Macs apart for fun and rebuilding them. I wouldn’t mind having one of these for nostalgic reasons. Wait guess, I’ll keep that old Mac Pro for nostalgic reasons as well. (:
If you calibrate the fans it is just as loud as a normal PC. Mine runs quieter than a PC.
@@gregthompson7793 Awesome! Maybe, one day I'll get another one and have some fun with it. (:
To prevent future dust buildup, you can place a dryer sheet over the intake side of the fans before screwing them down into place. I've been doing this for over 30 years and it keeps the insides of my computers nice and clean, and as a bonus they smell nice, too.
2040: *_Using the Cheese Grater from 20 years AGO! (Mac Pro 2019)_*
In Germany, some Printing Companies are still using the g5
I restored one of these G5s and was able to get an SSD working on a PCIe card using the full 16-lanes using the native "Expansion Slot Utility". I can't remember the mb/s I clocked it at but it was over SATA6 speeds if I remember correctly. Definitely a fun build as I'm sure this one was for you.
this video reminded me why I got into computer maintenance in the first place.... Felt good to be reminded of the degree in electronics and computer science that I don't use because of a horrific coding degree that I failed....
Psivewri is somehow luckier with his PPC G5 machine compared to Drauga1 and even 8-bit Guy (Planet X3 creator) despite the hurdles of making it functional & dust-free. You have done pretty good job in cleaning & maximizing the potential of this old machine. Heck, the design of this desktop still never feels old to me even after years of the release.
Yet another very, very, underrated channel on RUclips. Wait I just realized I saw another one of your videos before, I remember your desktop from another video, I guess this time I’m subscribed!
Edit: I found it, it was the DVD Burning Machine! Great video.
Love how you're using that old school "clear" mouse. Brings me back man
Ive bough mine "dreamed" G5 - top specs, with Quad CPUs, 16GB ram and so on for about 150$ with great condition. Always wanted to have one :)
That power supply was massive taking up the entire case floor and (!!!) 600 watts! Absolutely loved mine and used it through 2010. Worked perfectly fine just had to update to Intel.
I had borrowed one of the quad CPU (dual socket, dual core) PowerPC G5 systems about the time the Intel i7 came out. This one was the model where all the RAM DIMMs were on a separate card that slotted into the system. I ended up running the PowerPC version of Ubuntu 10.04. At the time, it was actually slightly faster in some of the applications I was using (mainly software surrounding OpenCV) than the shiny new i7-870 desktop I had at the time. The G5's were surprisingly fast. However, in the end, what killed them was that IBM wouldn't commit to pricing to Apple and also wouldn't commit to reducing the power consumption. With consumers rapidly shifting to laptops rather than desktops, it was a no brainer that Apple switched to Intel, since they offered much better performance/watt. It also doesn't help that as of today, the current x86_64 processors are clock for clock faster than the modern IBM POWER chips.
A sandwich: filled with too much grease
Psivewri: brush goes brrr
Watching this on my G5 lol
is the G5 able to play games such as csgo?
mason smith not likely, after Apple switched to intel processors most software became unsupported by these old power Mac computers
Jk I don’t have a g5 I have a pc with a hackingtoshed lol
@@swoosh-jm6oz I powered up my dual G5 a year or so back, dropped an SSD in. Used ten4fox and a webkit replacement for Safari. Can manage RUclips fine.
RUclips pays him a nickel for every time he says the word “ dust “.😜
This Apple tower is awesome with its shiny silver metallic case. It is made from aluminium.
If you think that was enough air pressure to clean the psu, open it up and see. The air pressure was barely enough to blow the dirt off the case tbh.
God I miss the days of Apple and Windows when eveything looked Glossy and Aero like. Now its all bland as fuck Metro themes and Spyware
correction, everything was flat and aero was a twinkle in the eye of engineers
Yo I miss skeuomorphism
My art school had pc labs and Mac labs. So many g5s in two big rooms! Guess which ones had the faster 3-d animation render times and better Photoshop editing displays? The g5s ran so quiet too, YES QUIETER THAN THE PC LAB, and rarely caused slow traffic.
if i got mac g5 i would definetly do a custom swap (i really like the case and having a modern components inside would be freakin awesome)
Well, you can do that. It's really not that expensive to buy a G5 nowadays. Many people have done it before.
Thats true but here getting one of those (even not working ones) is pricy people are sometimes stupid and ask too much
Currently converting one of these cases into an ATX, for such an old design its really was beautiful
Using one right now in 2021.. did a few small parts upgrades for a studio but that is it, she is chugging along but it works
Have weaker iMac G5, but love it. Runs MorphOS faster then MacOS X Tiger plus has more modern browser. To fully utilize machine I recommend Ubuntu 14 LTS PPC64
I used to have my Windows PC in a fake G5 Case, but fortunately I have a good case now
My college still uses these in the radio station... Mainly because the web streaming service they use isn’t supported anymore, so rather than find another solution, they stick with the cheese grater. It works beautifully! Just too cluttered, and so runs slower...
powermac in 2003: WOW SO COOL AND SHINY AND SO HOT
powermac in 2019:OH COME ON APPLE A 2ND GEN OF THE CHEESE GRATER WOW
yup i have to say 2nd gen was on market a month ago
Great video. I'm really nostalgic towards my G5 tower, which sadly died about 6 years ago. One of the biggest standouts is how much more reasonable the pricing was back then. The pricing for Powerbooks vs Macbook Pro isn't all THAT different, and still reasonable but the current Mac Pro tower pricing is just insanity and way beyond inflation or anything logical.
The whistle in the back though...
"It's just so satisfying seeing all of that dust go everywhere"
I can see what you mean, but I would much rather use words like "disturbing", "horrifying" or "disgusting" to describe that.
Note, I'm eating breakfast while watching this... yeah I know :'D
Love your vids man, great content
Thanks for posting. I have 2 still and they are timeless in the design.
Did this Mac good. I have a Dual 1.8GHz and it's speed still blows me away. Waay to fast for a computer from 2003. I stuck a nice 256MB video card in it and 3GB RAM. Thing can do animation, photoshop, video editing, browse the modern web and even play RUclips. Spotify worked on them until December 2018, it was a very sad time.
Hey man, that issue with screws sticking, I apply a tiny bit of grease into the hole and it will stick. Saves you sticking them with blue tack that is hard to get out and grease makes the thread last longer.
Great video! I've never had a mac, since 1999 (when I had my first computer) iv'e used only windows based sistems... And i have no regrets :P (as a gamer), but the g5 alwais had a wonderful design that i've alwais loved, for this reason even today i'd like to have one.
You should try one. I did in 2003 and never looked back. Having a real certified UNIX workstation (since the 90s up to now) in front of you feels so much more solid. Even if the interface looks "cute" or unprofessional, below the bonnet it's been always just the most powerful OS you can get that also has desktop everyday-use apps.
Two major mistakes.
1) When you blow or suck air into computer fans, always, ALWAYS make sure they don't move. Either hold them with your finger or a pen, or whatever. You risk damaging them.
2) No eucalyptus oil? COME ON! :p
I am surprised with the RAM issue. I don't think I ever had this problem on a PC before. It's one thing to not get full speed, but not even switch on? So weird.
Great video as usual.
I remember using one of these back in 2005-6 or something, editing videos up to 720p on FC (7? or 5? I don't remember) without issues. Good machine.
I love you for putting the thermal paste the correct way. So many cringe worthy moment with people having no idea how to do it.
Looks like that G5 was used in a smoker’s house. That yellowish dust that sticks to everything is unmistakable.
I could feel the heat from those G5s here.
I hear Voyager registered it
Absolutely love your 'tear-down' videos, really informative, thank you.
The plastic rivet was to allow Apple to determine whether you had tampered with your Mac before you brought it in for repair. Doing so would invalidate the warranty. There’s apparently a knack to getting it out (as Apple engineers would when working on them).
I remember when this processor architecture was the future. IBM was promising to leapfrog Intel with multi-core CPUs running at 8 GHZ.
My friend's dad still uses one of these for his graphic design work. Cool video, glad I got to see what it's like inside!
A couple issues here.
The CPU's definitely needed a repaste, but something not so obvious is that the memory controller on the backside of the logic board needs it even worse than the CPU's. U3 in these machines gets scorching hot, and the early models were known for failure of this.
After a repaste, the G5's need a Thermal Calibration using the ASD disc.
Machines like this and the G4 is why Macs established themselves as popular amongst artists... in general. Both sound, VFX and general art. Macs were a cheap alternative to purchasing a workstation. Because despite being really expensive, they still ended up being half the cost of a PC Workstation and for the artists the OS was easier to use. These days they still use Apple computers purely out of ignorance and standardisation, rather than them being any better than PCs. Because keep in mind, before the G4 came along, everyone was using Silicon Graphics workstations which cost in the quad digit range ($10 000+), to then move to this, something which cost half the amount. And when SGI imploded, people had to build their own workstations, use PC parts and use Windows NT. So, the G4 and G5 was simply the right systems at the right time for artists. (Also the G4 and G5 despite looking like mid towers are actually built like workstations, so all that space is used, they are heavy.)
To anyone restoring the G series Mac's, never use liquid metal thermal compound, because of how the PPC CPU's are set up, there are a lot of points where the thermal compound can run on to and carry current in a short that can kill the CPU. Always use electrically non-conductive compounds.
This is one of my favorite looking pc cases, I’m considering getting one and trying to make it a sleeper pc
The case is the appeal
Put a mac mini inside it !!! Junk the rest
nice v8 supercar, or whatever they are called now, near the monitor
I thought someone would pick up on that 🙂
Removing the plastic rivet is MUCH easier than you think. Just push the center pin part back up, and then the sides can be squeezed like you showed you trying to do, and can be pushed out. Takes 10 seconds.
This is an awesome video. I love the old PowerPC Macs. Thank you!
Airport Extreme card was optional and came with a propeller antenna that plugged into the back WiFi antenna hole.
The interior design of these is still Stunning compared to anything of today...I disagree that these are still viable for use in todays world, just too painfully slow but they are just gorgeous to look at from an engerineering and design standpoint.
Jeez that thing's more powerful than a laptop I have from 2013, at least until I get around to upgrading it
I had a 1.6Ghz and dual 1.8 GHz model. They were absolutely awesome and the 1.8 was upgraded to 8GB Ram. It was very fast for the time I used it. (2010-2011).
I have seen some weird processors over the years but that is the craziest thing I've ever seen and it's so cool
The final form of this computer was a dual core, dual CPU unit. They had to water cool the whole thing to keep hell fire from bursting at the seams. I used one a long time ago, it was basically on par with a very old Core 2 Duo but used 10 times the energy lol
Hey! The plastic door isn't held in magnetically, as far as I'm aware. I'm almost 100% sure it's friction.
holy o.O it would be so awesome to build a modern system into this and reusing the PSU and coolers :D
I did this some time ago, but didn't find the time to make a video. But it's definitley very easy and looks great... Hackintoshed for sure :-)
@@SharK7760 really :D?? would you mind sharing pictures or something??
Oh you gotta do a video of that!
These are one of my favourite macs. Why? Well it's so robust, last a long time, looks cool, still usable to this day, I can great cheese with it, keeps me and itself cool and come as a free chair with a built-in siren alarm (fans) too. They thought of everything. Now available with wheels.
oh yeah, a new video of the eucaliptus boi
I have 2 G5s, a 2.0 DP model and the infamous 2.5GHz Quad-core. The latter doesn't work, but the DP G5 works like a charm. Mine is from 2004, has same graphics, although with 64mb of VRAM