PowerMac G5 - Is it Obsolete?
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024
- A review of the Apple PowerMac G5 quad core in 2016 to find out if it can still hold up.
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I wanted one of these SO BADLY when they were announced. I still think it's one of Apple's most beautiful case designs.
I know right? i actually own a powermac g4 that my dad had
what are you doing here?
+HappySlappyFace theyre buddies IRL
They have a geeky obsolete eight bit friendship?
I use a Mac Pro 5.1 as my primary computer. Same case design on the outside, much better design on the inside, and can still be upgraded into a very beefy computer.
"If you see liquid, unplug and get service" Literally sees liquid spots right next to it.
yeah its definutely failed and he didnt realize
Attach some rope to the grab handles and it will make a good boat anchor for your GRP dinghy!
Lol I thought I was just seeing things
Meme Factory even Computer Clan’s Power Mac G5 is just like this model, and the power supply exploded because of the coolant leaking from the liquid cooler on this Power Mac G5.
Classicscout :p they are dry licking good morning and the morning and then they were open youtube was the first time
Epic dad look. The whole outfit and the face he makes carrying it. The slouch. It’s amazing keep doing what you’re doing.
he just needed a dolly
@@raven4k998 or a russian wife :P
@@daomingjin ssshhhhh don't promise that unless you are going to deliver
@@raven4k998 in soviet russia,
wife always deliver baby.
in yankee america, sometimes american wife deliver, sometimes man.
(evil russian laugh)
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2019 Mac Pro - *cheese grater*
2013 Mac Pro - *trash can*
PowerMac G5 - *SPACE HEATER*
Pretty much describes it yeah because It uses a lot more power/energy consumption also it can be PS4 kinda but like Intel problems happening right now I feel like their gonna suffer the same fate which is why AMD is getting more popular! :)
As a 2006 mac pro owner, you can replace “PowerMac G5” with “2006 Mac Pro”
if you ask me, Every mac pro is a cheese grater besides the 2013, the 2013 is an anomaly
The power Mac g5 was the cheese grater not the 2019 Mac Pro tf
My Power MAC G5 runs very smoothly with no loud fans at all. Mine looks just like yours and it’s quiet and doesn’t consume that much energy. I think yours had a cooling problem. I could see water stains at start. The best was dual CPU 2 GHZ with 16 Gig ram. Looks exactly the same but the cooling was very reliable. The fans only run high if there is a serious cooling problem. The quad 2.5 which is the one you tested consumes so much power and is very noisy when cooling is faulty.
I think you tested a bad model
Yes, he did a test a faulty model. I have a Quad and it's both silent and cool at nearly all times. (Certainly never anything like in that video!)
Also, the Quad G5 was _the_ G5 with the most reliable cooling system. The least reliable ones, which gave the G5s all that bad liquid leaking fame, were all the previous models that had liquid cooling, which used a Panasonic LCS instead. These were replaced with vastly superior ones on the Quad G5. Mine has never leaked to this very day.
Btw, the system you mentioned can only have up to 8 GB of RAM, not 16 GB. Unless if you meant "dual core" instead of "dual CPU", but I don't think so, since you mentioned cooling, which the single CPU dual cores didn't have.
Only the multi-core G5s could reach 16 GB of RAM. They also were the only ones to use PCI Express (as opposed to the more-outdated PCI-X and PCI).
@@RedHairdo The top of the line PowerMac G5s all had liquid cooling, including your Quad Core and the Quad Core he had reviewed. So the Dual 2.5Ghz July 2004 and the Dual 2.7Ghz Early 2005 and the Quad Core 2.5Ghz Late 2005, all had cooling systems. I used to sell and service all these PowerMac G5s. When a customer would come in and state "my computer doesn't turn on", I would pull out the LCS and show them that it has leaked and has corroded the power supply.
@@RedHairdo He needed to air spray it or have a spray and a towel to clean it put some force into it obviously.
"I mean, I love the attention to detail that they put into constructing the case and the internals of it, which Apple is pretty much well known for that..." Today they are known for constructing their computers with such attention to detail that they are almost impossible to repair, so you just have to buy a new one. ;)
Impossible to repair and apparently prone to catastrophic failures (butterfly keyboards, graphics failures in the 2011(?) MacBooks, etc.)
I will give them some leeway because thinner laptops often require non-standard hardware configurations, so that's not entirely Apple's fault. However, their desktop machines are also going down the path of soldered/proprietary components, which is completely unnecessary.
What's pr?
They put the power supply under the liquid cooling tanks in this machine. The coolant is also corrosive.
@ItsLucanGaming I love the new Mac Pro.
All PowerMac G5s were also not upgradeable ie: you could not change or interchange the processors nor logic board nor power supply (to a point.) The GPU was specific to this last lot of PowerMac G5s, and they also used DDR2 PC2-4200 RAM which wasn't interchangeable with any other Mac. The first lot of PowerMac G5s used DDR 3200 RAM and they all used SATA hard drives.
The G3-G5 towers reminded me so much of the old Apple // systems. So easy to get into and mess around with and upgrade.
that's some overclocked core i9 power consumption
Practically.
but hey, it runs macos
I'm pretty sure my Ryzen 3 2200G @ R9 Fury setup still takes a bit less power than that potato. Givn my 80+ gold PSU and all that I'd say my system consumes around 380 watts
Doesn't even need overclocking with the current i9s
With 1/20th of the performance.
@The 8-Bit Guy There's something wrong with that system. I own a G5 and they aren't loud at all, quite to the contrary. Either that system is full of dust (also check the water cooling's radiator) or there's a problem with the fan controller, or the temperature sensor, which makes the fans run on absolut full blast. In that case, it needs thermal recalibration.
It only runs at full blast when I'm doing something CPU intensive with it (like watching 1080p video)
That still shouldn't make it run full blast. I'll do a few checks on my system when I am back home, later today, to see if I can get mine to go full power (and yes, I own the very same "Quad" 2005).
The way that system was behaving, I have to think the water pump died, so while the fan is spinning 100%, there's not actually any real cooling to speak of happening. This would explain the fans ramping up to 100% (response to CPU temperature) but there being plenty of airflow and 105 degree F exhaust (no heat is making it to the radiator).
If you still have the system, is there a G5-compatible CPU temperature monitor you could test with?
I don't have the system anymore. But considering 355 watts of power are used when the CPU is under load, that heat has to go somewhere. So I'm pretty sure the fans were doing their job by expelling all of that heat. I used to have a G5 iMac and the fan was just as annoying loud in it. Not at idle, of course, but anytime I did anything CPU intensive. That's the main reason I got rid of it.
@Vortagh: Indeed. In the winter I can sleep with two burning away in my room doing BOINC computation for SETI and MilkyWay project and still have the room window open for airflow.
Liquid Cooling System is Faulty it has been leaking hence fans running at Optimum to compensate and over heating with excessive power consumption.
You basically tested a faulty Mac.
I have one and it runs very quiet and smoothly
hmmm... And the CPUs are probably ALSO throttled as a result.
Superutubeking when he is reading the warning label about water, and there are obvious signs of liquid stains in the bottom of the case... I was thinking the same.
Too. Bad he didn’t verify function of the unit.
I repaired several of these, and agree... his is borked.
@@SuperVstech Out of curiosity, wether his was messed up or not, does a fully working one "work" with modern internet / youtube? (let's just say if you get linux on it) I have no experience with these to tell if the cpu was throttling or if it can throttle like modern cpu's. I have an older dual xeon cpu floor mount server from that time period and while I haven't played with it in a while to see if it'll play youtube, the energy consumption is enough for me to just leave it off, even idle it heats up whatever room it's in when the door is closed. If I found one of these macs I'd upgrade it and save the hardware for a collector, that sure is a beautiful case.
volvo09 it is a cool case.
I have a few of them.
With Linux, it should run modern apps... slowly.
But the power consumption was still high.
If you think that thing sucks, I have a twelve year old space heater that takes over 30 seconds to open task maneager
Space Heater OS 3000.
hmm sounds like a pentium 4
Dude you're getting a Dell.
it most likely runs doors 98
Dude, I had a laptop that used to lag PLAYING POKEMON YELLOW.
This was in 2011.
I had one of these when they came out, and it was gloriously fast and quiet. I agree there is something wrong with this one - I had many units (we had over 50 at our NASA facility) and when the cpus failed they behaved like you are seeing.
You bring up a NASA facility like it's no big deal.
@@LucasIsHereYT as long as hes being honest yk
Cause it's not@@LucasIsHereYT
Putting the machine under the desk will make it act as a resonating body and thus amplify the noise. Also, the heat that the Mac creates is stuck down there which again causes the fans to run even faster because the vents breath in the already warm air which has been pushed out of the case in the first place. It's probably better to put it somewhere to the side of the desk and not underneath.
Yeah.. but my Mac Mini is under the desk on the other side (on a little shelf hidden below the desk) and it doesn't have those issues.
+The 8-Bit Guy Yeah. Mac MINI, you know ?
I think the difference would be negligible.
The mini doesn't push out nearly has much heat, and doesn't suck in dust from the front like a G5
+Johnylogic16 that's the point. Intel Mac mini is more powerful and efficient but still much quieter and smaller.
I've been waiting so long for another one of these videos!
Same
me too!!
Me too
same
Switching from Power to Intel was courageous. Removing the headphone jack from the iphone is PR.
Keep in mind, they switched while steve jobs was still here, so obvs
EET (Electronic Engineering Times ran a feature story (2006?) on PowerPC and Apple's move to Intel. Jobs did approach Motorola to redesign the architecture for lower power but were told the $350M development cost wouldn't be made in by the units Apple would buy. Jobs and team left the meeting their decision made to move to x86.
They are going to switch from Intel to ARM because it's more power efficient and designing and manufacturing the chips in house is better. If you want to run Windows on your ARM Mac Pro you will need a PCI expansion card with an Intel processor or virtual machine.
Headphone jack is a water intrusion issue. They will remove lightning when they can get away with it. Lots less warrantee repairs.
@@abc123fhdi Wait, a Processor on a PCIe card? That's a thing?
The dual processor G5s would require a thermal calibration procedure to be run if a processor was replaced, or if it had been swapped in position with the other one. It's a special procedure on that machines copy of AHT. I think it flags the condition when you enter AHT. There is no warning in the OS about it, but the fans run at a higher baseline until the calibration is run. There is also a sensor for the clear plastic door. It's a small silver strip in a depression in the plastic molding. If that strip is missing, you will also have higher baseline fan operation.
When I was going through the film program in college, my professors insisted that these were the computers of choice for film editing and all things media related. As a result, these were the machines we were trained on. So I have a bit of a nostalgia for the PowerMac G5. I remember the one thing my professor had said when he was talking about these machines that a lot of people in film would hoof these things around in the back of trucks and things and the G5 was built tough enough to handle it. He went as far as to say that they were "bullet proof." I don't know how much of that was true. But I remember these machines being a LOT quieter than what you described in the video. The only time I recall hearing that noise is if we suspected one of them had some cooling issues upon start up. We referred to it as "taking off." Whenever someone powered one of these up and we heard that noise, we'd say "It looks like you're taking off again."
This computer is the cause of global warming.
Apple, among other poor engineering choices, is well known for overheating MANY models including macbooks and iMacs; they favor "low noise" vs "good cooling"; that is, until the cpu reaches almost-meltdown temperatures and you hear the vacuum-cleaner sound of the fan engaging @ full speed trying to avoid the fire; in the case of tower G5s (and the first intel MacPros) the noise is called "jet turbines" because it's really unbearable
No it's the bender units from futurama, proven fact look it up.
Charlie Mastergeko4 thats not a real thing
@@VadimTheWhiteWolf
Shut up dumbass
@@VadimTheWhiteWolf Global warming has been proven by professional scientists to be *REAL.*
8-bit guy: This machine is heavy.
The new Mac pro: Hold my beer
the 2020 mac pros weigh about the same if not lighter than the original cheese grater macs.
Nobody: laughed
The wheels:.............
@@lemau8458 lol
well back then apple was more about making the fastest super computer ever made type computers till intel and amd started owned IBM which for amd was about 8 months after the firsat g5 came to market
2:05 My face when I wake up in the morning lol
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For your information, as an owner of an F-350 Dually Diesel (as pictured), I get 18MPG highway driving at 65mph, 15MPG in my normal driving, and 13.5MPG when dealing with stop and go and low speed driving. I get 10.5MPG towing a 30 foot trailer down the interstate at highway speed. But then again, when you only want to spend money maintaining a single vehicle and you need that vehicle for things like towing, you drive it as your daily driver and learn to live with it. That said, I wouldn't want a desktop computer that's 200 times the weight of my cellphone and 10x slower....
Didn't mean to offend F350 drivers.. Just making a joke.
You forgot to mention he said F250 dually... no such thing
I know, I just didn't want your viewership to be ignorant of the actual efficiency of these trucks. If you had a *gas* truck, then it would get the kind of mileage you were talking about.
Well, heck I don't know all of the models of Prius that are available, but then again I don't care for Toyotas or Apple products. :-)
+Bullitt Garage customized F250 duallies are very very real in the state of Florida where anything can be taken to a shop and have a dually setup thrown onto it for enough money. I know not why so many people in my area pay for this but they do and many shops will provide the radical modification...
Man that G5 is a lot cleaner than most of Druaga1's, but it probably wasn't ripped out of a skip
and isn't ripped apart to put ssd's in every day
hey, another druaga1 fan!
Its not as bad as ItsMyNaturalColour's G5 it looks like it has been in a minefield
+GuiGamer 1080p lol arnt we all
Drauga is a god
Looking back at the Power Mc G5 some 17 years later, I remember when it was announced that it seemed very cool, being the fastest PowerPC-based Mac at the time, with Apple promising future versions with speeds of up to 5 GHZ. I would have bought one back then if money wasn’t a concern at the time. But by the time they announced that Apple would transition the Mac to Intel processors in 2005, it became clear that for a variety of reasons the G5 and PPC processors in general were going to be a dead end in terms of the Mac’s future. The G5 was so power hungry and heat generating that putting it in Mac laptops was a no-go and there just wasn’t any sign they Motorola or IBM (the other two members of the AIM alliance) would be able to fix that soon enough. Maybe the PPC processor could have been made more power per watt efficient in time but it just didn’t seem that Motorola & IBM were really invested in helping solve this issue at the time so I understand why they turned to Intel. Of course, given how the transition. To X86 gave us the ability to run MS Windows and X86 Linux Bistros without having to emulate an X86 CPU, then I think they made the right decision.
So looking back, while I appreciate the cool case design of the G5, I really don’t have much nostalgia for the PPC G5 processor itself. It’s not like when Apple introduced the PPC processor in the early 90’s for high end Macs, addressing the wall that they were hitting in terms of speed/power of the original Motorola 68000 processor line. For me, I have little desire to own a working Powermac G5, though I could see myself taking the case and replacing the original G5 motherboard with modern PC Intel/AMD CPU-based motherboard and say running Windows 10 or a Linux distro on it. Unlike say the other historically notable Mac computers such as the original 128k Mac, iMac G3, Powermac G3, iBook G3, iMac G4 (flatscreen LCD lamp iMac), Mac Mini, iMac G5 flatscreen All-In-One, or trash can Mac Pro, which all have interesting case designs and other cool aspects to them make then collectors items, the G5 doesn’t IMO as the original cheese grater Intel-based Mac Pro has a simular cool case but it actually uses able to this day.
I like watching reenactments of vintage experiences of the olden days, like "going to the mall".
Ubuntu has an official port for powerPC architecture.
Yeah, tried it.. with no luck. I've used it on a G4 before with great success.
+The 8-Bit Guy Try Linux Mint or Puppy Linux. Either of those should support the architecture.
Mint by far is the hardest to install. However, try with Ubuntu 14.04 and choose whole partition. Also check AskUbuntu.
Linux Mint PPC should do excellent.
I'm pretty sure red hat is one of the officially supported distributions for POWER systems... Maybe it'd work for PowerPC computers, too.
I've been a professional motion graphics designer for just over 15 years and I had one of these models, fully loaded, brand new. It was a night vs. day difference for Maya and Aftereffects rendering at the time. This was around the time that the company I was working for was moving to 100% HD, so motion graphics on the dual core (especially in 3D) wasn't cutting it, since you were processing 4 times the pixels. the thing was a work horse too, I would have it background rendering 3D scenes and image sequences almost non-stop. the only reason I stopped using it was to move over to the first gen MacPro 8-core... which in my opinion was definitely faster, but less stable than the Quad G5. They didn't really hit that magic-in-the-bottle factor again till the 12-core 2012 model. I threw everything at that the 5,1 12-core for 5 solid years and it always powered through... all that to say, a better real world test on your machine wouldn't be youtube or facebook... it would be it's use as an entry-level graphics or engineering machine. the software has changed quite a bit but most of the core functions are the same. You could probably spend around $200-$300 and get one of these machines with adobe CS5 and Maya 2009 pre-installed and hand it over to an enthusiastic high-school or college student to learn the ropes and save the initial $2K+ system & software price tag for a new Mac and CC license.
the game has changed since then tho, the topdog setup back in the day was like g5+konacapture+finalcut studio+logic/cubase+creativesuite bundel with photoshop and ilustrator and then aftereffects or nuke, with maya or solidworks as a 3d stager, modeler and renderer, but today the topdog setup is gona be a ryzen + RTX + scarlet or maudio capture + afinnity suite + resolve + blender + 3d coat/zbrush + substance + studioone/cubase, i think genuinely the only two bits of software i would buy the same today as back then is cubase and possibly nuke, cuda/OCL and realtime with vulkan/dx13 has killed these old boxes off
yeah it is a good real world test considering this video was made over 10 years after the release of the computer. thats about all its good for now is internet stuff.
Man that’s a gorgeous case... if nothing else it’s a sexy side table/ bench.
I had one of these and it was a great computer! When we finally replaced it, I took it apart and gutted it, and was amazed at how easy it was to swap everything!
You have conclued so fast the capabilities of this machine. The RISC power 4 architecture was made for huge floating points operation (with ALTIVEC, vectoriel unit).
The software behind theses chips were not really optimised for vectoriel operations.
In add, a lot of PPC releases was not trully 64 Bits.
An huge amount of RAM in this baby is almost a waste.
Keep in mind, that a "fast" machine is not necessarly a fast youtube or facebook plateform.
G5 quad do really well on final cut or logic pro studio.
... It's obious that all theses arguments are not the problem of the final customer wich paid a lot of money for this.
... The problem for PPC fail is ... Software and micro code for making this machine quiet ;-) (and a lot of disinterest from IBM)
I own a lot of Silicon Graphics, SUN and super computer. An application made for a dedicated hardware is always ... FAST.
It was more easy, at the time, to have softwares optimised for ... X86/X64
Best regards from France.
It's odd that you couldn't get debian loaded. I've run debian on that machine. It installed fine and ran great. Chromium 64 bit version ran and played full HD you tube just fine. Something's up with that box you had. Most of those G5's have had the cooling system fail by now. I had several of them in the marketing dept. where I used to work and they all failed with green coolant leaking out and running down into the power supply at the bottom of the case.
Are you sure that happened with Quad G5s, though, and not the older Dual Processor ones? The latter were famous for the leakage, but the Quad G5 not so much. Mine is perfect and quiet still.
One reason Debian might have failed could be the GPU inside it. Maybe it needs a bit of fiddling to get it to boot with whatever GPU is inserted. Or it could be something else entirely.
Chromium browser ? On ppc?
How much ram did you have when you installed it? My Spidey senses say Mr. LGR had an issue because he had more than 2 or 4 gigs. Sounds ridiculous but I've seen that weirdness over the years, especially as hardware moved from 32 to 64 bit.
@@RedHairdo Ahhh.. yes. I had a intel laptop with an ATI radeon onboard and only Windows would install and work on it. No Linux would work as I would get kernel panics EVERY TIME in 2017. So that would explain alot. What GPU would be best to buy for the power PC G5 to use Debian Linux then?
It's the nvidia stock gpu. Not supported on linux at all
I recently picked up a iMac G5 from a local electronic store. It works well for the money paid.
I'm seeing you everywhere now (sort of.) So I wasn't the only one in NostalgiaProject interested in PC hardware & software, especially old ones.
I openly admit that I am interested, you must have never noticed.
arrowin13 the iMac G5? I hope you checked the capacitors on logic board and power supply... mine were supposed to be replaced, but started expanding and failing 6-9 months later :(
arrowin13 I got one for free in really good condition. It was a quad core and worked ok. I then ripped out all the components and slapped standard pc parts in it.
hell,why is that,whats is a metter with atom made nukes these daze
I just got two of these off Craigslist for like $30, and my 2000's self would be so happy, as I always wanted one of these back in the day. I'll keep you guys posted on how they run, one I think I'll turn into a backup file server or something.
LCS is broken
That is reason why you cannot install linux on it.
that is reason why it runs that loud.
actually idling this machine should sound very close to aquarium. Aquarium is NOT loud. I have had around 30-50 of PowerMac G5 and inthat I have had at least 10 Quad Cores. Only those with defective LCS are loud and they tend to lockup on normal usage or at most at higher usage, no serious stressing needed to lockup with defective LCS.
Marek Artur Penther Exactly the Liquid Cooling System is Faulty it has been leaking hence fans running at Optimum to compensate and over heating with excessive power consumption.
He basically tested a faulty Mac.
Same here. Mine is totally silent and cool. Quad G5 with 16 GB of RAM, full of SSDs and HDDs using both SATA I and SATA II.
@@RedHairdo What a great setup. Good on you, man.
Was thinking the fans needed to resynced at first. At 1:36 in the video there is liquid spots with white residue in the bottom of the case. So its possible that this G5 needs coolant.
1:36 you can even see stains on the bottom of the case around the LCS - a strong indication that there was a leak in the past.
yours is fast becoming one of my favourite youtube channels mate
virustwin yes indeed mate
@Ninjakenberto That is correct English...
@@ABGamingAdam Not really. Almost though
Dude I have one... Its nowhere near that noisy... In fact it's dead quiet... and its my primary computer. I've been using it since 03
The fans in his need calibrated is why. Yes, fan calibration is an actual thing with these macs. It's required whenever the cpu's are pulled from their sockets.
i own one as well but id disagree with you its the loudest computer ive ever known but i still love it
I have 2 G5's Towers and 1 G5 iMac, and they all are dead quiet. One tower I had for over 8 years I bought used and I found in the streets being sold by some homeless guy; give him $20 for it. Parts were missing like the hard drive and RAM but I got those parts and got them running. The iMac G5 was a rescued machine, a client was about to throw out. It had a cracked LCD Screen but I got it fixed with parts from eBay.
The G5s from 03 top out at *2* *single* core processors @2.0Ghz, 3:26
the G5 on the video is from 05 and has *2* *dual* core processors for a total of *4* cores @2.5Ghz, it generates much more heat than yours, specially if you have the *single* core variant.
There're other factors that contribute to noise on old computers such has dust, dried out thermal paste, fan bearing lubrication and wear out. Even the liquid cooling system could be malfunctioning.
The water cooling system in this computer needs repaired.
I have a powermac g5 dual ( and 7 spares, 4 of them fully functional), air cooled. I still use one to run, beautifully, a protools HD system that slots into a pci-x slot, that cost me $20,000 in 2002-ish, Thats why I use one. I have run 65 stereo audio tracks, virtually no latency, all at once. It cant run heaps of plugins all at once on lots of tracks though. BUT in order to not re purchase high end A/D converters and pre amps, I still use the G5 with SSDrives. Thanks for your vids, I like em heaps.
Hey 8-bit Guy, you should do a video on how MIDI files work.
That could be cool.
skrillex midi?
ComputerExpert69 Chayton Ritter I meant the midi file format.
I agree, that would be a cool video!
+The Jolly Duck Like how old computer game music was generated? That would be sick. I fell in love with MIDI songs playing Runescape
You can't just say carte blanche that the mac mini was flat out faster than the top of the line G5. There is so much nuances behind such a claim. It appears that the G5's chipsets lack hardware acceleration for modern video codecs (or OS for GPU rendering), which explains YT and video playback performance being highly CPU-bound. The Power PC architecture is a RISC instruction architecture as well, and you can't just straight up compare clock speeds for a performance comparison. You'd have to compare SMP, branch prediction algorithms, RAM speeds, bus architectures, etc... A more apt comparison would have been some simple benchmarks on complex operations - GPU performance tests on compatible supported OGL demos, compression/decompression of large archives, calculating pi to so many digits, etc...
Pretty sure the G5 is more powerful in pure computing power. For daily usage, the Mini would be much faster.
@@SomePotato actually the powerpc replacment they had lined up before the switch was said to be faster and more efficent and faster than the intel mac, it was rumoured they only swapped for things like bootcamp (and possibly cause the company that developed the chip was a startup so thay would need to outsource chips).
When the developer of this replacment went bust only being a startup, they were bougt by apple and this chip became the start of the A series processor that power every apple ios device today.
Note: everything I say is from memory from late night wiki and youtube binge watching
I learned to slowly hate apple over the years, but i can't deny their old computers looked amazing! i had a mac pro mid 2010 and it was beautiful. But i can't forgive them for the insane price, considering the obsolete hardware.
Nothing against the OS though; i still prefer OSX to windows for NON-GAMING tasks
The engineering in Macs is insane, and whether someone's a Mac/PC/Linux/ZXSpectrum or whatever else diehard, I really don't think they get enough credit for that. I had a 2.0ghz G5 at one point, and forgot about that build quality...and frankly, it's kind of making me want to find a broken one cheap and convert it to an ATX case to replace the case that currently contains my gaming rig.
I agree with you that they looked beautiful and that they are overpriced and obsolete, but if I found one of these puppies I would instantly mod it to fit my current pc inside. And about the osx for non gaming, I prefer Ubuntu for that. Lightweight and universal
Dude are you kidding? OS X sucks for gaming! Because gaming is obviously the ONLY THING people do on computers! Lol i fell ya m8
AdanD66174U.2 as said i prefer osx for NON GAMING tasks. you must have misread. :)
nah I was joking kuz when I have OS X vs Windows discussions with my friends they always talk about the gaming aspect as if people only use computers to game
I came back to this video and never realized how proper that you show the ghostbuster trailer when using it as analogy to YT performance on this machine, good job.
The new Ghostbusters was quite entertaining tbh. Not nearly as much as the original films of course but still enjoyable and a fun little twist on the story.
Never clicked on another video this fast, love this series!
I would love to walk in a Apple Store and go over to the Genius Bar only to find David in his Apple blue shirt with my serviced Power Mac G5 only for him to say to me, "Hey man, got your G5 fixed and got Linux installed on here. Sure was a heavy beast walking through the mall where you dropped it off at. I was able to take some tech photos, you wanna see?." :)
And then you reply "finger my butthole"
LMAO
LMAO
I was enrolled in a “multimedia design” class [Photoshop to Flash] at the local tech college for high school credits in 12th grade. We had about 15 PCs for the 1.0 class and G5’s for those in the advanced 2.0 class. The teacher complained about the amount of heat just those five produced to the “Dean” for the first month. It wasn’t until he had him come in for a “demonstration” of student projects, having him sit in the cornier with those five towers blasting at him. A couple days later we walked in to several A/C towers haha.
Linux install crashes because of the Radeon graphics. Have you tried MorphOS?
I still have one, the key to its usefulness is those PCIe slots, you can get PCIe audio I/O cards and the accompanying hardware for a steal ever since Apple removed them. Mine runs 4 MOTU HD192s and can capture 48 channels simultaneously of 192kHz audio. You wouldn't want to edit on it but for capture you can't beat the price.
As for why Apple left PowerPC it was because IBM and Motorola the builders of PowerPC chips moved to other markets and left Apple swinging in the wind. Motorola's part of PowerPC lives on in Freescale processors and IBM went on to Cell processors, both of which cater to smaller devices.
When I got my first Quad G5 it arrived without an install disk or hard drive and I tested it out by taking a firewire cable and attaching it to a 2003 TiBook and booting from the laptop in external hard drive mode. Even though the laptop had only a single G4 operating system it booted the G5 no problem and no pesky messages, try that with a PC. When that TiBook finally died I was able to remove the HD and attach it permanently to a Quad G5 with a simple adapter cable and can get at that old system any time I need it.
Here Brian scratch your head no more ., . . .Thanks my friend
This is why you will still find these old towers in recording studios. Stable, reliable and hassle-free audio I/O routing. Using a Windows PC and the dreadful ASIO driver is such a pain.
Don't confuse the G5 with that case. They went right on using that case for the next 6 - 8 years with the Intel power macs. And there were no heat issues. And the mini while great for simple day to day use would overheat if you tried using it for video editing.
A better analogy would be a Ford F-350, but instead of a 400 HP engine capable of towing 5 tons, it has the engine of a Ford Tempo.
Ohh god the tempo I thought I just could forget that car existed guess not
there may be something wrong with the cooling system or nvram values, my same generation dual core never get's that loud: ruclips.net/video/O6gftviaOp4/видео.html t2sde.org/hardware/workstation/Apple/G5/ once I had it at my APC UPS, it showed 150Watts on startup and 120W or so while idling in Linux. Maybe your liquid coolant leaked and it's overheating?
Its 2019 and I still use my late 2005 dual core 2.3 ( upgraded to 2.5ghz). Id really love to find a quad one day.
**Is watching on a iMac G4**
Wow. Kudos.
Staring at my 800mhz G4 iMac with disdain.
What app/apps do you use to watch RUclips? I'm using TenFourFox with my Mac Mini G4, but the speed is... pretty bad.
search coreplayer :)
Linux?
the point of having one of these is nostalgia, running old software and so on... for 2016 web browsing... well, nope.
l have a 10 year old macbook, that can do anything a modern laptop can do. the only issue is all of the heat it puts out. apple claimed that this computer could get up to 95c before it was a problem, that is almost hot enough to literally boil water.
It can still browse the web. But if you're looking to get a beastly Mac tower for cheap and don't care about the nostalgia factor, 2006 Mac Pro all the way.
Timur Tripp l would say 2010 mac pro, but l am sure it is more expansive.
electronics for fun Yes the 2010 is better if you're willing to spend more, but the 2006 can be a cheap but still reasonably powerful workhorse with the proper upgrades. With a boot.efi hack it's possible to run up to El Capitan on one.
Timur Tripp yeah it has some pretty decent power, especially if you put in a new GPU.
What happens if you unplug all the cooling and then play a game that cause an iMac Pro with 18 cores, 256 GB of RAM, and the 64X GPU to get below 15 FPS? Does it catch fire? Or explode?
Mario What about something the 28-core Vega II Duo 1.5 TB ram with afterburner Mac Pro would struggle with? Fire? Explosion? Nuke? Black Hole?
YOU HAVE TO OPEN IT!
It might contain the best disclaimer/note
MIGHT
Shoutout to my uncle who is definitely “the kinda guy who daily drives a Ford F-250” I know that’s not the exact quote but oh well.
Your uncle is an imbecile. You can tell him I said so.
I miss this series. Wish he'd do some more.
I had new G5 quad core 2.5ghz from Apple in 2006 with a 30inch studio display, ran it for 10 years no probs. Merely upgraded the ram and booted from SSD to get more use out of it. Cost me a whole of lot of money back in the day and eventually sold it to a friend for peanuts, but the aluminium case, omg, best case ever!
"really fancy video card"
it's an x1950. bruh.
for its time
Back in the day it was beautiful, not so much now. >_
Cullen Lonergan yeah
MCD456 i had one, it was a beast.
Yeah, he was dead on with that comment. The computer tower was manufactured in early '05, over 11 years ago, and that video card was definitely high end for it's time, especially considering it was in a Power PC based G5.
I will like to build a pc in that case, I love that case.
I was just thinking that. I've seen these computers discarded and thrown away. It might be worth the hassle to swap out all the electronics and power supply for more modern equipment. Might need some custom mounting solution but that would be a fun project.
+Skells not a big deal, specially on America where almost every house has a drill press
I see you everywhere
people say, I've got a loud mouth, it's for a reason.
DO not drill a motherboard!
The 8 bit guy got it wrong in this one. Consumers bought these machines for their expandability. They were used for high end video and graphics tasks. Third party add ons are why professional designers, musicians and compositors used these machines. Sure everything he said is true its just nothing else works as well as a maxed out tower Mac.
He means who would use one Now, not back then
Show me a PC from 2005 that could take 16GB of RAM and was 'twice the power' of the G5
@Jake Sangria You are mis-informed and (or) ignorant. There was a less than a 5% price difference when new and compared to same spec PC with decent (not as good but close) build and material quality. This does net even factor in the time to source and assemble the gaming rigs so with labor the same price or more for the PC. I sold Macs and built custom gaming PC's when this came out. Very price competitive, unless you wanted cheap logic board, less RAM and cheap plastic case on the PC.
The guy I roomed with in my first apartment in college had one of these. It was an imposing, impressive machine and made my little Windows PC with a Prescott look like a toy.
8 bit guy: works fine
Krazy ken: *POWERMAC EXPLODES*
Most people don’t realize that the g5 was an ibm chip. The x box was a g6! I love my dual g5! I still run my entire recording studio on it. Only issue is finding plug ins for it. Windows always caused glitches in my recordings... also this was the last computer with the higher voltage sound cards.... in my opinion, it is far superior for recording than a new machine. I run reaper and it uses the 64 bits.... I must admit I do not hook this machine to the internet.
On older macs I had they stopped updating the flash so I wound up running Classzilla.... runs like an android phone browser...
I was never a Mac guy until I started recording. It seems to be able to push the mastering on mixes louder with the high voltage sound card with less distortion.
i dont know what they had, it was the old xbox im talking of that came out when mac became intel trash
ERIK THE WRENCH I also use a G5 for recording and music production and have done for the past couple of years now.
I love it too. Used to run windows with reason and ableton etc but got rid of all that disposable setup and constant updates etc.
I now run Logic Pro 7 and it seems so solid and stable and much more dependable than windows based stuff. I’ve not tried loading any plugins yet though but I guess I’ll have to cross that bridge one day! 😆
only issue i have is finding plugins for PPC. I run reaper, it came with a lot of good stuff i couldnt find and it is still ppc supported. i use the m1 waves copy limiter that still works. but i need a good reverb and a couple things... I only have 8 gig of ram, im gonna try 8 more, but right now the reverb seems to be the only thing it struggles with.... I know the plugins i need are out there, but they dont sell them anymore.
ERIK THE WRENCH right, I’m not familiar with reaper. Is that a DAW?
I got a copy of Logic Pro 7 for around £25 off eBay boxed as new and I’ve never looked back. I know later versions obviously have new sounds and effects etc but this has been perfect for what I’ve needed and the type of music I make.
I think I read somewhere that Logic 7 doesn’t support vst’s but like I said I’ve not got onto plugins yet.
I also don’t run my machine online either now but I used to and it ran fine with that tenfourfox.
What kind of music do you make?
Just an idea but have you tried bit torrent for the plugins? I try not to use it myself but I know you can find things on there that are hard to download.
I guess you use an outboard reverb effect for now then?
funny logic pro is rated number 5 and reaper number 6, lol but I love reaper. I started with q-base , logic, then protools but i dont like new versions., then studio one was my thing for a while it was like old protools but colourful lol but they dropped support for PPC! My old disk works but i need plugins...
reaper has a whole community that the writer himself will answer your questions and approve open source plugins after personal review....
I tried Reaper, it is free for 60 days then its 60$, and saved me 900$ in essential professional mastering plugins alone. I just want a different reverb and a couple other compressors.. I want the tried and true, guess i have to sift through some open source archives, if i can find them... their is still ppc support but not making new plugins ...
and a be honest ever since I got torrent of fruity loops that crashed my system with a malicious back door found later... I don't do bootlegs anymore. I actually just got hacked on a network i was using and found they got in through utorret downloading movies running on the owners computer.....
3:59 when I farted up lol
i think he meant to say when i fired it up
+The Jiro Network yep he has an accent, he said fi-urd
Thats true. He does live in Texas.
lol
I like how the case looks. Would it be possible to gut it, and turn it into a gaming machine?
Just get a used Mac Pro 8 core and throw in a gtx titan.
People do, buy these just for the case !
Ahem, bottlenecks...
Patrick Kemp bottle necks? from what?
CobobS12 I was responding to Mark M who suggested getting a Mac Pro and putting in a Titan.
its time to do updated 2019 version of this clip
The PowerMac G5 quad core is way more powerful than the Mac Mini.
Mac Minis are more efficient because their CPUs require less power and can provide more performance overall.
"More performance overall"
I'm on the floor crying with laughter.
Google the Geekbench scores for both the PowerPC Quad (970MP x2) vs the Core Solo (T1200), you'll see there not in the same ballpark.
LAHegarty Yeah, a CPU that runs on more power than pretty much every modern Q-Core on the planet and outputs more heat than the sun, so much so that it REQUIRES a water-cooling system.
On top of that, these CPUs are not efficient in any form of REAL-WORLD performance. 315 Watts at full load for a CPU that can't handle RUclips, can't run pretty much anything because of its terrible incompatibility, so on and so forth.
So yeah, in terms of stable, efficient, and support performance, the Core Solo is better.
Run the same application on both see which one comes out on top.
LAHegarty Why? You can't even run a hundred of the applications available on a G5.
we had one of those. Fantastic system. My wife LOVED the heat the system generated as she is usually cold nature.
I would like to build my regular PC using this case. Will be a cool project to do someday.
problem is, as with everything apple, you wont get to fit any industry standard pc components into that cool aluminium case; not even one screw hole or mounting corresponds to a switching power supply (in fact apple's psu is a total custom built low profile brick that runs at the bottom of the case), pci card holders, front panel wiring, etc; it would require MASSIVE drilling and refurbishing of the interior, but I think if you can spend that time and effort it could turn into a cool pc nonetheless
@@clarkkent6026 That would be part of the fun, I guess. And now seems to be a good time. Power Mac G5s are pretty cheap right now.
Get Druaga1's advice on how to install linux on a PowerMac G5.
Maybe you need an SSD? :D
EDIT: lol old af and Installing Linux on a Power Mac G5 (Part 1) onr of the suggested videos (not for me, just one this vid) WE DID IT REDDIT!
Perhaps a a Flash Memory Card? xD
I came here from a Duraga1 recommended video.
Jay's Vlogs xD
Ccs4646 It needs to be in an iPod 2g, though.
I'm sure that with enough Googling and trial and error he would have managed to get it running, but as he said in the video it just wasn't worth the time playing around with it for the video.
When I worked in broadcast a few years ago I ended up having to e-waste about 8 of those.
It killed me. That was my dream machine for several years. Kinda similar to the crush I once had on the Mac II CI.
They were maxed out machines too, since they were from the graphics department of a broadcast facility.
So they al had max ram and whatever the max video card was they could support.
For a while I schemed to snag two off of the ewaste heap. It wouldn't have been a problem since I ran the IT stuff.
Then corporate came up with a new directive that we couldn't donate ewaste or allow any employees to take home old machines.
They had us put the computers in a room with video cameras like in some movie. For old computers on the way to the dump!
Oh well.
i watch this every year at least once. its been 5 years
Of all the trailers you could've shown, you've shown the most disliked.
his personality probably sucks lol
+Thumbobby your insult sucks tbh. don't get triggered over me expressing my opinion on a RUclipsr that you have feelings for lmao.
look at it on the bright side: it looks as awful either way. if he were to put a good video and I couldn't move it properly it would have sucked.
When it worked properly he used Deadpool.
Think about it for a moment.
+primary868 I never said I didn't like them did I?
that movie is victim to one of the worst presented trailers. i loved the movie.
6:34 OMG the old youtube player!
Still use a Dual G5 with 8GB of RAM and a Nvidia Geforce 7800. My MacBook Pro 3,1 is faster, but not a lot faster, and I think, temperture wise, run equally as hot. My PowerBook G4 ran cooler than both, and ran 480p RUclips videos just fine when software like "ClickToPlugin" and "MacTubes" still worked. It's a real shame not much software was optimized for the G5 or even Altivec. For OS X PPC browsing I recommend "Tenfourfox" or "Safari Webkit". As for Linux, try replacing your Nvidia graphics with an ATI/AMD card.
Use TenFourFoxBox configured to use RUclips (make sure you have TenFourFox installed first, though, which is a browser). I can still use RUclips considerably well this way even on a Mac mini G4 1.5GHz with 1GB of RAM. Use the built-in basic "ad blocker" it comes with (it's faster than any browser plug-in, as it's a native feature and not a plug-in).
Voilá, RUclips is once more serviceable even on G4s now, let alone G5s.
if you want to use the nvidia card on linux, append this to the kernel line: nouveau.config=NvMSI=0
@@yveshanggi9882 Thanks for the input :)
@@RedHairdo Thanks for the imput :)
Excellent review! Thanks for testing tenfourfox on the G5 and confirming it is useable. With G4 RUclips was just not useable just as you said! Also, the heat tests and sound tests was very important to know!! A computing heater under the desk..ouch.
The mac he was using was clearly damaged. In reality they're much faster and quieter than this
5:26 What is that? Is that a PowerMac G5 or a Boeing 747?
My G5 isn't loud. Burst of fan speed on start up and then a generally unnoticeable hum. Perhaps one of the sensors was fucked. Something as simple as the transparent plastic inner plate or case side not being seated properly will make the fans have an austistic fit and totally spaz out - in some cases the machine will power but won't boot if the machine isn't happy about something. Which is generally in my experience every other time I switch it on.
so its possible to use this case and replacing it with pc parts?
"burst of fan speed on startup" is often a built in feature that helps dislodge dust bunnies, nothing to do with heat (further making your point).
0:55 I love you, David.
My dad used to have one of these back in 2009 and I found it in his garage last Christmas.
Anyone coming back to this after Apple said they were switching from Intel to ARM?
yes and disappointed. simply dont know why ARM is going to be "Pro"
No, i am coming from some MorphOS video installation on PowerPC.
no, not really... I do got to say that I don't like it that apple is switching to ARM because that will make my old PowerPC mac even more out of date lol
@@hedw1gP And now they have released their first generation of 'Apple Silicon', have you changed your mind?
I'm watching this on my Windows xp machine, and it is running RUclips smoother than the Apple Power PC.
The G5 SHOULD NOT be so loud, I've owned two and both are surprisingly quiet. There may be an underlying issue with that G5.
Same specs as this one?
There was definitely something wrong with this G5. It should be like 6 times faster than a Core solo mini
my high school had old 2003 g5's and l was working on one because they had three broken ones sitting in the corner after they had bought the 2006 mac pros. only one of them was working ok, but the other 2 had were not. one of them was stuck in a forever boot, and when l was trying to fix it, all of a sudden the fans just got really really loud, so l tried to shut down without having to yank the cord, and one of the fans had died, so l yanked the cord. opened it up, and there was some blue liquid in there, it looked like somebody spilled power aid or something in there, because it was sticky and it smelled fruity. that mac was shot and was never coming back. the other one worked just fine at first, then l heard the fan rev and l started freaking out thinking somebody did the same thing with that one, even though l had checked the inside before hand. the fans did not get nearly as loud as the other one, but it was still a small concern. it turned out the thermal paste had just were out after sitting in a corner for years and getting hard and crusty. so that was an easy fix. l begged them to let me keep them, but when they found out that they had not been e wasted, because there was something wrong with them and they had them sit in a corner rather than fix them, they took them out of that class room and they got turned into a coke can after l got 2 of them running again >:-(
electronics for fun
That really sucks, my school recycled an entire lab of 2011 iMacs and like 100 2006-09 machines. Public education systems are pretty wasteful.
Kyle's Tech Channel yeah they are, l tried to steal an out of commission power mac g4, that had "waste" written on it with sharpie. they found me, took it and e wasted it!
No doubt the look of the G5 is striking. But in terms of usability a early Mac Pro like a 2006 model would give you the same case design but with way for efficient intel Xeon processors.
Still waiting for linux on g5 video
Also, you could try to swap HDD, probably it will resolve your problem
Yeah, he might be able to get it installed on a G4 and then put it in the G5.
wrong channel
+stonent yeah, but I doubt the software being compiled would then be able to take advantage of the dual CPUs. Something like that would require a separate configure flag.
Install gentoo and rebuild with new cflags.
Love the thumbnail! :D
5:40 i tought my phone died for a second
The fans are stuck on full blast because the PRAM needs to be cleared. You can do this by starting with the mac off, then press the power button and then hold down Command + Option + P + R buttons at the same time until you hear the mac make its boot chime twice, then the fans should go back to normal.
I remember when these were still a thing. I went on Apple's site and the most powerful G5 system you could have built, was I believe an estimated $35,000
o.o
do if the core 2 duo macbook is obsolete
Άγγελος Θεοδοσίου He already done it...
webmasale The core duo, not core 2 duo
Άγγελος Θεοδοσίου The Core 2 Duo is NOT obsolete. I run mine from 2008 with 8 GB of RAM, on El Capitan (can update to Sierra but see no reason to), 2.13 Ghz processor, and I can play RuneScape while playing RUclips in the background (can't even do that on my new HP...), play Sims 3, Civ 5, up to date Chrome, I put an SSD in so it's a "screamer" lol. The C2D MacBook is absolutely not obsolete and won't be until El Capitan is unsupported. So, probably 2 years.
Please do a Dell laptop from 2007 next! They're explosively usable!
More than about strange PowerPC Macs that weight 22,6kg out of no reason at all!?
Just gave my sister a 2007 Dell Laptop D630 with a small SSD in it. Runs amazingly!
Especially made out of aluminum! Imagine if made out of cheap metal.
I have a D620 and i'm using it right now :D
I have one of them. I used it until 2014 and it worked perfectly, just couldn't play latest games obviously. I dropped it and broke the hard drive, but I plan to get a new hard drive for it and use it for casual browsing. It was high end at the time though, an XPS M1330 IIRC.
I had a power mac g5 with 6800 ultra ddl gpu and thing was amazing i used mine for 3d Maya and animation, photoshop and illustrator and lasted 12years,still have tall the components and software's.
funnily enough, this thing may be less obsolete with the death of flash
Dude, I have exactly the same G5, the Quad, and I can say without a doubt that yours is running WAY too loudly. Run thermal cal or something, because yours is not functioning correctly.
yah, I had an older G5 that needed some tinkering before the fan monitoring worked, and it blasted all fans at 100%. Which that one clearly did.
It's not really his, he borrowed it to film the video, and from what I understand lots of these machines have logic board issues now. My G5 has issues recognizing RAM. Still works fine with what it actually will utilize though, just really slow and useless.
+GP1138 new logic board?
There are also liquid stains inside which points to a dodgy cooling system
I was going to mention that. That cooling system has a leak. There was a silent recall on them and Apple fixed it for free. I had one like this and got it repaired for free in 2010 by Apple. I think that is why he had performance issues. Machine should work a little better than that and not top out the wattage being idle.
Funny, I own a quad core G5, and a F-350 that gets 20/gallon (6.0 shift, standard cab). I ran into a similar problem in that I could not figure how to get BSD to run on the G5, otherwise quite reliable and not too noisy or hot. I can get BSD to run on an Intel server, and an AMD server (both SuperMicro) but not the G5. I am currently using a MacPro that claims it is a mid 2010 2 3.33 6 core chips and 32gb of memory, R9-280 video with 10.14.6 with 4 boot drives between 10.9 and 10.14 depending on the software I need to use. Have fun
Sorry for late comment, but the reason Linux won't install is because of ATI cards. I've noticed this myself, when I installed an Nvidia card it worked flawless with Linux.
LellePrinter82 Works with OpenBSD however.
Linux usually works better with ATI cards since AMD is far more open about their source code and firmware than Nvidia is, making work on reverse engineering Nvidia firmwares comparatively a living hell for the nouveau developers.
Try installing firmware-linux-nonfree and see how it responds. Make sure to add the non-free repository first.
Why not use an external video capture card?
6:48 because i think youtube did start HTML5 players and stop using flash players so old (even obsolete) could not run it
Yes, because it's non-upgradeable piece of apple junk with planned obsolescence as its main feature. Just like all the new models.
And use the freaking vp8/9 shittyass codec
Sabrintwitt3r well, in the Video you saw the old Flash Player. With the New HTML5 Player RUclips runs a lot smoother on the g5s
Tim Weber Really? Because in all of my machines the new vp8/vp9 codec lags a lot more than the old h264. With an extention you can force RUclips to use it again, but the standard for the html5 playrr today is to use the vp8/vp9 that basically puts a lot more stress in the processor because none of the old vgas can decode it, and actually most pf the vgas cant. So it relies in the processor interely. Thats why it got heavier. Flash wasnt efficient, but still it had on its sidr a simpler youtube interface that used a lot less cpu, and a way better codec im therms of processing. The new vp8/vp9 codec reduces only the bandwidth usage, its lighter and they say that has a slitly better quality in the same resolution (both in 480p for example).
Unfortunatly that codec just kills awmost any single core processor, simpler systems or weaker processors, so any Pentium 4 desktop or laptop, any netbook with a single or dualcore atom, some weaker core2duo laptops, and some weak pentium duacores and i3s will have a higher load or even dont play smoothly youtube. On most of these systems with a good vga you could play without a hitch youtube using the old player and the old codec.
The advantage of this codec is when you have a slower connection but better processor.
Using the "h264ify" for chrome or for firefox, you can still force the h264 that will awready do a enormous help, but still wont have the old 2012 interface (that i like more and think is prettier, but i think is just me that wants it back).
Eduardo Avila so i only tested it on my imac g5, where RUclips runs a lot better with HTML5
I've always thought that was a beautiful machine, and I really want one. Then I realized I drive an f250 daily and laughed at your comparison. Nail on the head.
I used to have one but then it had a motherboard failure and i could not replace it. RIP PowerMac G5
Can't get over how thin his legs are, even on his current videos in 2019