Mine is from fall 2009, so almost 10 years old and was a 600€ retailer setup (so most likely not well optimized). Over the years I added more ram (from a different manufacturer) to 8gb total, a better graphics card (GTX 970), a better cpu cooler two ssd and a quite power supply. CPU and motherboard stayed the same (that's the parts Linus is testing). So my system clearly is worse than what Linus is testing. I still can play Overwatch on ultra with 60+ fps in 1080p while watching youtube in 720p on the other screen. I don't play graphics heavy games, I don't do video editing, and I don't care about 4k videos with my 1080p screens, but I'm actually not surprised at all, that a $5000 CPU+motherboard from the same time, gets a decent performance with the parts he added. My cpu is an Intel core i5-750.
When the described using photoshop as basically unusable... that is better than most normal employees would get unless you work at a company that specializes in Photoshop
Im running a 2009 i3 550 stock @3.20ghz 4mb, 8gb ddr2 ram, AMD r9 200 series gpu , acpi x64 board, and a 5400rpm 1TB HDD. Added a new power supply after i decided on a gpu (850 w overkill for upgrades that never happened cuz the tower is ass).
i used to have a few dual socket (intel X5050 processor with 64GB FBDIMM ram) as a workstation was about 8 years ago or so and did cost me a fortune in parts some supermicro motherboard X7DBE+. old times. still have some of theses pc here but gathering dust
It’s kind of funny that Linus is making a big deal out of this board selling for $650 and now we’re well on our way to that being the new reality for a lot of “gaming” focused motherboards. I know Asus and MSI currently have a few gaming/enthusiast AM5 and Raptor Lake boards that are priced at $800-$1,200.
@@Jenna_Talia there actually are somewhat reasonable justifications in some cases. But it’s not because the boards are necessarily better for gaming. Ultra robust power delivery is basically solely for extreme overclocking. If you’re running your CPU at stock speeds, stock voltage, etc, it really doesn’t impact you at all. Lower to mid tier chipsets are plenty capable of moderate overclocking. Running precision boost overdrive and a memory overclock for example is perfectly doable without any of those insanely priced upper tier boards. For the vast, vast majority of people, gamers included, would never have any reason to buy something like the MSI Godlike or the Asus X670E Crosshair Extreme, which is a $1,000 motherboard. Those are for hardcore overclocking enthusiasts. However, spending more money on a motherboard can make sense if you want a lot of high bandwidth NVMe slots. Lower and mid tier boards come with fewer of them, especially when it comes to slots which support PCIe Gen 4 or Gen 5 speeds. I’ve been using nothing but NVMe storage for a few years now so that’s my primary consideration when shopping for a motherboard. I just finished building my AM5 system and went with the Asus B650E-E. The power delivery is more than good enough for my needs and despite it being a B-series board, which used to be quite barebones, lacking a lot of higher end features, B-series boards are getting a lot better. This one came equipped with 4 NVMe slots, two Gen 4 slots and 2 Gen 5 slots. I’m currently running two 2TB drives and can easily add two more later if needed. To me, that’s worth paying a higher price. My current B-series board has better NVMe support than my previous X570 board and cost me about the same amount of money - around $300.
Overl0rd from the Forum here! Thanks for the shout out at the beginning Linus :D Skulltrail is a truly fantastic no-expenses-spared platform. IMO one of the last times Intel really showed they cared about the enthusiasts. and I’m happy to see it’s getting some attention again. For those looking for more information and testing on Skulltrail, over the last year I’ve made a ton of in-depth content on my channel including gaming and overclocking. A couple of points I would like to point out -While the QX9775 CPUs are the most awesome way to go on this platform. It will work just fine with regular 771 Xeons and back then a TON of people went that route. The board will also work just fine with a single CPU. Especially the CPUs with a 1333MHz FSB have great OC headroom (as 5400 chipset runs out at around 430MHz bus speed) and could potentially reach beyond 4GHz. Overclocking the QX9775s is rather straightforward, mine do 4GHz at 1.41V. Just make sure to have proper cooling on not just the CPUs, but also active cooling on the north bridge and the FBDIMMs; those will get up to around 90C. -Despite the fact that the drivers of the Nforce 100 chips are troublesome in Windows 10, SLI should work fine using PCIe 2 and 4 (I have tested this personally). The problems are less under Windows 7, but still present. -16GB of RAM is definitely supported out of box. I personally run 4x4GB 667MHz overclocked to 800MHz. To do this you do have to have the latest BIOS version, as more memory config options were only added later on.
@@mi-vanyan9092 GPU's progress rapidly slowed down though, last big jump in performance was in 2016 and since then $ doesn't really buy more performance than in 2016. For example I bought 1060 3 Gb in 2017 for $199. Now if we believe that gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2060-6GB-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1060-3GB/4034vs3646 in the right ballpark, then 2060 being 62% faster should cost ~$322. It's actual cost is about $340 - so pretty much no change in price/performance over the last 3 years. If this trend continues GPU's might live just as long as CPU's
So, this basically proves that a good system is essentially futureproofed and can last at least a couple console generations. I mean not a lot of people are going to run their computers at 4K due to the amount of memory and bandwith that would use. 1080 would would be sufficient for this system.
Even now. 1440 is good enough. 1080 isn't bad. I'm not spending the money for a 4K monitor so there's no sense pushing my computer to 4K, but being able to handle 4K means it can probably handle games for the next eight or ten years in 1080 or 1440.
I have a PC from 10 years ago that was only $700 at the time, only upgraded the GPU once in 2016, and it still plays modern games and everything else I need it to do. Really the parts manufacturers deserve a shoutout. Even the original fans are still in there and working. And I've turned it off like twice in all that time.
i bought a dell xps8900 in 2016 and put a 1660 in it. still use it 24/7. i dont really play AAA titles but im sure it could run a lot of stuff on med graphics
yeah if he were running CS4 rather than the latest CC version (which also uses up CPU cycles for cloud authorization) it might be different. I mean like photoshop 1 ran on a 25mhz macintosh in 1995 because that's the sort of thing that was around
@Soller Purepwnage was the first thing to start joking about online 1337 gAmErS and that was in 2004. So it's definitely been seen as cringe since then.
Here is some dual QX9775 Cinebench R15 scores. Most of them are from HWBot. Stock 3.2GHz: about 680+ 3.790GHz: 776cb 3.916GHz: 807cb 4.189GHz: 861cb (Overl0rd) 4.266GHz: 888cb 4.410GHz: 899cb For comparison an AMD FX-8350 (8c 4.0GHz, 4.2GHz turbo) from late 2012 would get about 660cb at stock
I like how excited he is about "modern" Win 10 being responsive on that aged monster. Plug in an SSD and it will run smoothly on almost any machine thats still alive. I run a phenom II X4 945 (from 2009) myself which was low budget at that time without any problems. And even gaming ist still good to okay (depending on the game) with a GTX 960 (2015). Not 4k of course (You don't throw 4k at 1080-Ladies, Linus!), but the era of throwing away your whole computer every two years are over.
I managed to recently spruce up the same motherboard you mentioned. A new PSU and SSD and cleaned up the fans and dusty areas. Just needed some new thermal paste and I am hoping to keeping it for a bit longer. As for the WIN-10 installation, I preferably stopped some programmes running in the background and turned off some window's features so it can run smoothly as it could.
Photoshop: hesitates slightly Linus: "that's unusable!" Meanwhile my dad: "this beauty of an Acer still runs like she did when I bought her for $400 at Walmart in 2006!"
Im still using pentium 4 from 21 years ago in 2021. In 3 world country its really common thing to use refurbished computer from all over the world. Not only pc, we also use and buy used clothes, shoes etc. If the pc still running.. we use it until it stop working. If its died, then we took it to the electrician to swap the broken part from another broken part until its really unfixable. Then the remaining part will be use as a sparepart like chipset. Fan. Capacitor. Etc.
Me too, although it's been upgraded a bit since I first built it in 2008. In 2013 I scored a new in box QX9650 for $75, which was the model below the 9770 Linus is using here. I've been wanting to build a new one for years now.
Haha, watching it on my Dell t7400! Having 2 xeon x5450's and 32gbs of ram so still decent in performance tho! Running a gtx980 and w10 so pretty modern in relative terms... So to speak!
Yeah, thats true. But to be true if you place there something like 1050, cheap mainstream card it will still work great. There is no question about 2008 hardware to run 4k, but 2008 hardware supports stuff so you can use all new things with it and it just Works!. Like good USB PCIe card plus GPU like 1050 and to be truth it will work as a charm with modern SSD and mainstream games. In my opinion this is good argument for people without money for PC. Buy old platform with good Core2Quad CPU. But used GPU like 960 or 970 to this PC and USB PCIe Card and you have PC that runs 90% of games. And I'm sure that AAA titles with 720p resolution and setting and Low/Medium will go easly above Console 30FPS minimum.
That is fine as a daily driver. It sucks for a content creator, but most games and common applications still run fine on a Core 2 Quad so they should be fine on this system.
It's fascinating to witness the transformation this channel has experienced over time. Fast forward to 2023, the improvements in the flow of things are remarkable, and I'm relieved you've moved past the old style of producing videos. Your overall approach to creating content in 2023 has significantly gotten better. Looking back at the older LTT content, it's a humbling reminder of how far you've come and how much you've grown.
Still, for us old timers that remember when computers were hopelessly obsolete and completely unusable after only a couple years, a ten year old system that can still run everything on the market, even if maybe not at the highest settings, is pretty darn remarkable.
@@averyoldRUclipsuser oh really ? Its pretty much a 99 dollar computer with 300 dollars in upgrades. I didn’t think it was very good. Im just wanting a pc to run warzone at ok settings
Actually that's a fair point, but I think the point of this video is trying to show how far we've come with cpus, where the absolute top of the line from back in the day is absolutely nothing now.
I was actually hoping he wouldn't do that. The question of how good of an investment would it have been back then is much more interesting in my opinion
@@baigemaeskali it is a good pc. Handle office work with ease, but it is suffering with games. One thing must be considered, I live in a country with high taxes on electronics, specially at that time, so with this cash I purchased an i5-4460, gtx 780, ssd 240 (hdd 1tb), mobo Asus z97.
... all for the low price of.. $ 5 Grand. ... Spend that donaro today both as a pre-built and a parts only (DIY) one... Could hardwire a whole house (saving the family from the 5G microwaving going on outside) AND get a decent gaming system. IMHO.
@@magaman49 since we humans add up numbers in packs of 10 and its multiples we like numbers which are factors of 10 or its multiples , it makes bundling easier to our pea brains
Well if the range is 5-7k, putting any number between that range would not be considered click bait. Although it does sound a bit more reasonable if he puts 5k.
Built my first ground up PC System in 2007 (Always just red necked different tiers of Gateway PC's during high school in the 90's) , Built my 1st off a ROG Maximus Extreme and two 8800 GTX in SLI. I don't remember what CPU or Ram I used. Man this video takes me back to those days
I dont know what all the hate is about.......Im runing A tape transport with an 8-photocell reading mechanism. A six character FIFO shift register Twelve thyratron ring stores that simulated the Lorenz machine generating a bit-stream for each wheel. Panels of switches for specifying the program and the "set total". A set of function units that performed Boolean operations. A "span counter" that could suspend counting for part of the tape. A master control that handled clocking, start and stop signals, counter readout and printing. Five electronic counters. An electric typewriter. ..and i just finished rendering a black and white picture of a cup. It only took six weeks and $1400 of electricity......you guys have it GOOOOOD !!!
@@samuelbaggett5002 lol I can’t even count how many times my PC has just locked up on me, leaving my only solution to be sign out or reboot my PC entirely.
A good trick I learnt on win 10 is to hit windows key + tab create a new desktop and open task manager in the new desktop by right clicking the task bar not through shortcut key and there you can close any programme that has your PC locked up
More entertaining to see what the system from back then would perform like, not with a card from the "future". Glad I read this comment, now I don't even wanna watch the video.
Yea EEV I was thinking the same thing! Wouldn't it of been better to place it on the flat surface of the table rather than the empty box flexing the heck out of it?! Pressing the RAM in on the flat table wouldn't have flexed the board nearly as much / hardly at all! I guess they're designed to be able to flex a little bit, but it just seems a bit careless and could break traces or rip up components if you continued to stress the board like that plus you wouldn't treat newer good hardware like that! ;)
You're not the only one, and I'd guess that they kept cutting back to the close-up view every time he put in another DIMM because someone else on the LTT staff had similar worries.
@@TheCobruhAlienat0r - Oh please. I've been building machines for 20 years without ever using an ESD strap. Just touch the unpainted areas of the chassis or another grounded piece of metal, all good. And don't wear your terrycloth robe and fuzzy slippers while dragging your feet in the winter time.
The irony of this video is that this PC is still likely more powerful than 40-50% of the consumer computers currently being used on the market in 2019 LOL
@@cepheibaw with an RTX it goes up to 98% lol, but yeah he made some really unfair tests and the game still ran pretty well. Who plays at 4k monitor? Less than 1% of world population (no jokes) The PC itself is a monster, even if it is 10 years old
@@philonetic first: thats TV, not PC monitor Second: this only happens in the US, Europe, South Korea and Japan. Everywhere else in the world a 4k monitor costs months of standard work, which not many people can afford. Are you american? Americans and europeans' teenagers tend to have a weird view of the world
No one says that future proofing means eternal future immunity. Bulletproof vests don't make you immune to bullets, just a bit more resilient. It just describes a necessity for upgrade being further away than some other product, whether it's a short/mid/long-term performance with few or many features etc that may or may not be very common now, but it will be eventually, but still not so far away, that purchasing a completely new product might be a necessity. :)
@@brat-b8h i mean when it comes to some things its future proof like psus right? If you get a 1600w psu idk why you would have to upgrade any time soon
Jo-E using a psu is based on the power consumption of your system for example your cpu was the 65watts and your gpu was 220 watts then you should get a bare minimum of 450 watts just so you don’t bottle neck instead of getting a bare minimum psu if you get a 1600watt psu it’s not necessary for your system on top of that power efficient increase as thing tend to progress but again that is not a reason to get low watt psu as things like overclocking or even in instances of more powerful hardware still requiring more power
@@Ajallday1010 There's a couple reasons why. The biggest one is that the latency of trying to use two cpu's on different sockets is huge, they cant work together and communicate fast enough for it to be beneficial (most of the time). But for the most part if you have tasks that benefit from lots of cores, you can pretty much get however many you need in a single cpu. There are server cpu's reaching up into the 64 core range. When this motherboard was made in 2010, I think the highest core count cpu was 6 cores. Crazy right? Thats only 11 freaking years. And while thats really cool, most of the software me or you would use would not see any practical benefit from that amount of cores. Maybe even worse depending on the software.
Didn't saw your comment when i wrote mine, when he was testing rocket league at around 17:00, he also had fps locked to 62 ( which is default setting for some reason ).
11:30 The processor the motherboard had almost nothing to do with 4k playback Linus. It had everything to do with the modern video card stuck in it. If you wanted a true test at play 4K playback turn off hardware acceleration in chrome. Then re-run your test otherwise your test was pointless. If you stuck a video card in from the time it would not have had to 4k decoding it would of been limited to 1440p at best. Older cards would only hardware accelerate 265 at 1080p then next gen did1440p and so on. You can playback at higher resolution but it would be on CPU not GPU. You can go on to nvidia's hardware descriptions for GTX cards and it specifically States the resolution that can run at 264 and 265 decoders. I know this because I came into the problem running a GTX660ti vs GTX 970 vs a 1080ti.
Yeah it all depends on what codecs the GPUs can decode. I don’t think any GPUs from the time really did any video decoding, or maybe basic codecs at most. For current RUclips high resolution decoding you’ll need a card that supports vp9 which would be the 950, 960, and pascal and newer cards on the Nvidia side. Av1 is starting to be adopted by RUclips and only tiger lake, ampere, and RDNA 2 cards will be able to decode that.
@@Zosu22 I agree. An no they did, Jesus first started with Microsoft codecs then they worked out to x263 you might remember it as the DivX codec? Then they moved on to running the same Kodak at a higher resolution and so on and so forth as each architecture in graphics became available. Yeah I had one of those old CRT sony silicon graphics workstation monitors that was widescreen. Running 1440p ish res was the shit back before the industry figured out it was better. I'm bread blew my mind being able to have to web browser Pages up on the screen at the same time without having to scroll left or right. I've always been in the top 1% crowd on steam. I had a widescreen monitor when a lot of people were still using 4:3. I remember having to edit reg files and ini files to modify games so they would work in widescreen like Tron 2.0. An running pirated movies and early 4k RUclips test footage at high resolution was always a dance between having a card that supported running said codec at higher than 1080p or having a fast enough multi core CPU to do it unaccelerated. They pull out this huge dual core Uber expensive set up and they throw in a modern video card and have it do all the work it's like saying here let me show you this amazing robot doing all these amazing things and then they bring out the assistant and the assistant is really doing everything while the other person is just standing there issuing instructions. An the robot just sits there.
Dear Linus, It's not about Windows Task Manger being unable to End task. It's only about task manager not being able to show itself on top of the crashed apps by default. All you have to do is that go to Task Manager before any crash happens, Then click on Options menu on top menu bar, and activate the tick near Always on top. That way you can always have your task manger on top of any crashed app without anything else disturbing you from closing crashed or unwanted tasks. Hope this helps.
"Noobs beware you will be pwned" That door hanger single-handedly added 5 minutes to this youtube video with how many times I rewatched it. Oh my god, 2008 was a magical time. That would be like getting a door hanger today that says "only homies that are certified poggers allowed inside." I love big corporations and how tone-deaf they are sometimes.
I got on ebay thinking how cool it would be to find an old relic gpu that would be affordable and collectable. Your killin me here. $800 geez what a sucker I am lol good one.
Ok so I looked it up and turns out my Sapphire Radeon HD5850 Xtreme is from 2009, so 11 years old, but on top, both my motherboard and my CPU (P5N-D and Core 2 Duo 8400) are from 2008, so *12* years old! And I don't think that's something I should brag about.
@@bon3scrush3r I'm still running an Athlon ll x4 @ 2.80 GHz 😅 this bad boy can actually run for example monster Hunter world on the very lowest settings 😎
He SHOULD have re-run those tests. Those were regular double-click-to-launch tests, with no complex results; just looking at it and saying if it's good.
this video shows pretty well, how bloated the many modern apps are. we could edit photos and browse the web on worse machines 10 years ago, now we cant, because it takes 10 times the memory and a lot more cpu performance.
My 2014 PC runs just fine in 2023, plays any games I want, does any task easily, and wasn't even high end.. i5 4690, 8gb now 16gb ram, rx 460, ssd, etc
@@baldbutton1983 20% cpu usage is still interesting, though. Even with the help of a modern GPU, 20% is relatively high. Even watching this video in 4k on my Ryzen 2400G using the Vega 11 graphics, CPU usage is 3-4% with a brief spike to 20% whilst scrubbing around. Not 20% during normal second by second playback.
Actually it's closer to 13 years old now. But yeah, it about as fast as my Asus G74Sx-bbk7 from nearly 10 years ago except that it draws more power and crashes more often as opposed to my laptop which can run Photoshop 2021 without any hiccups. And this laptop cost $1200 back in 2011. Probably worth only $150 nowadays... I'm curious how much this $5000 desktop degraded down to in 2021.
8K RUclips worked fine because hardware acceleration was enabled, that offloads video playback to the GPU so it doesn't matter what crappy CPU you have as long as it covers the bare minimum. Also, CPU intensive task performance can be improved by tweaking task priorities and enabling "UseLargePages" if they use a lot of RAM (the Photoshop test). I'm sure I could get quite an edge of performance out of that system.
Lot of information you have wrong or missing First this board will work with any 5000(no guarantee), 5100, 5300, and 5400 series Xeon chip and only needs one CPU to run, however one CPU will only allow 2 ram slots to work, each CPU directly address it's respective ram via the MCH. Second the nforce pcie switches were NOT needed to accomplish 4 pcie x16 slots, it was added because Nvidia wasn't going to allow sli at the time on a board that didn't use an nforce chipset, that also had the ability to do crossfire! The nforce chipset is connected directly to the MCH not the ESB The board chipset is a seaburg 5400 MCH and an ESB2 for a South bridge, both use thermal probes and thermal throttling. These are enterprise hardware not consumer The ram must be actively cooled as the MCH does need it as well. Repaste the North bridge, the factory had a issue with the MCH factory thermal paste and sent a notice about it, repasted drops it 30 degrees fyi The front USB ports are actually passed through a onboard hub and reduced to USB 1.1 not USB 2.0 The rear esata ports and onboard data ports are all sata 2, the onboard ports are through the ESB2 and the rear ports are via a marvel6121(marvel61xx driver) controller, with shitty driver support. The motherboard will take 32gb of ram, I highly recommend it, helps performance alot If you want to optimize on the bios, turn off speedstep as this board has a bug with speed step causing the cpus to never clock back up, and turn off hpet, it causes serious stutter and slowdowns with this board You must connect the extra molex power at the bottom of the board or the vdroop to the board will cause a crash The happiest bus speed for this board is 1600mhz, something the qx9775 supports out of the box, xeons can be bus overclocked to this as well. Any other questions just ask, I've basically found everything you can do with the platform
Remember that Core2Quads and Extremes are basically 2 Core2Duo chips glued together on the same package and with this board in fact you're having like 4 Core2Duos
@@BrianMcKee I have a ton of photos in my library right now and if I click in any image and go to the Develop module, it will absolutely eat 4GB before I change. Quite strange.
Wait I’m confused here lol. Because I know tons of people that can’t do 4K to begin and hitting 60 is normally from what I know having sli 1080 or 1080ti
thats still better than my 960 ... honestly i fell anything bout 60 FPS is jsut for bragging rights and 30 fps is still smooth, heck 20 used to be good and i rember when playible meant over 10 FPS
ThunderClawShocktrix Do you mean for 4K? I don’t play in 4K as it’s only useful with certain monitors and not needed for esports. But 60fps is the bare minimum as far as I know. Even when I use to play CS I had to play with 200 frames or more to be good. 30 just doesn’t cut it for me playing or watching. It’s like how I can’t go back to 720P now
@@ThunderClawShocktrix 60fps is BARE MINIMUM. In some games 30fps isn't too bad, but in most games (especially competitive games) 60!fps makes a huge difference. Just because you may not have experienced high framerates doesn't mean they're not superior.
I have that machine and it does but in games like Fortnite (or those using the newst Unreal engine) the gameplay and animations play faster than normal, like not in sync. It reminds me of old dos games that relied on the clock to keep the game in sync at it's intended speed.
Caps lock isn’t needed for that command. It’s just Win Key+Tab. It also depends on what the user is used to. Tbh, I reboot my computer on a crash like that, but I can reboot, log in, and be on the loaded desktop, in about 10 seconds.
lol, it's a very decently performing platform! I'm still casually using its little brother (DX48BT2+QX9770) as a W7 media center and light gaming rig on a TV. It might even be "slightly" faster than this monster, even with only 4 cores, since it has the same 1600MHz FSB but also DDR3-1600 DC and single x16 PCIe 2.0 (or dual x8) without the added nVidia PCIe 1.1 bridging.
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Man, that is some incredibly good looking 4K footage. For real.
JerryRigEverything you should put some level 7 deeper grooves into that monitor
Almost as good looking as that one RUclipsr's fiance 😉
@@botesz20 he doesn't want to ruin the image
Still never understand why you don't do a drop test
Dude i watch both of you guys with my gf... Now she wants a gaming pc and is looking at my p30 pro weirdly and asking me if i want a clear version
"How bad is this $5000 PC from 10 years ago?"
Me: using a $800 PC from 10 years ago
Mine is from fall 2009, so almost 10 years old and was a 600€ retailer setup (so most likely not well optimized). Over the years I added more ram (from a different manufacturer) to 8gb total, a better graphics card (GTX 970), a better cpu cooler two ssd and a quite power supply. CPU and motherboard stayed the same (that's the parts Linus is testing).
So my system clearly is worse than what Linus is testing. I still can play Overwatch on ultra with 60+ fps in 1080p while watching youtube in 720p on the other screen. I don't play graphics heavy games, I don't do video editing, and I don't care about 4k videos with my 1080p screens, but I'm actually not surprised at all, that a $5000 CPU+motherboard from the same time, gets a decent performance with the parts he added.
My cpu is an Intel core i5-750.
When the described using photoshop as basically unusable... that is better than most normal employees would get unless you work at a company that specializes in Photoshop
@@meni2410 ok
Im running a 2009 i3 550 stock @3.20ghz 4mb, 8gb ddr2 ram, AMD r9 200 series gpu , acpi x64 board, and a 5400rpm 1TB HDD. Added a new power supply after i decided on a gpu (850 w overkill for upgrades that never happened cuz the tower is ass).
@@LtksK i love when you said your cpu in the end lol
Why don't the water bottles say "Linus Tech Sips"?
I'm available for hire.
If you dont Get hired... idk what logic is...
underrated
@@lightcrowd42040 a rapper?
For a reason, it seems.
Linus Sip Tips
Tech is so wild, 5k from 10 years ago is considered super old. Love these videos
Not to mention if you're a gamer most of that 5k was wasted anyway. Better off using the money to upgrade your video card every couple of years.
@@brettguyer3736 true 100%
Thought it was just him exaggerating lol
"Theres just something about dual socket that gets my inner geek going" .... yeah, that hidden, secret inner geek, Linus.
🤣🤣🤣
i used to have a few dual socket (intel X5050 processor with 64GB FBDIMM ram) as a workstation
was about 8 years ago or so and did cost me a fortune in parts
some supermicro motherboard X7DBE+. old times. still have some of theses pc here but gathering dust
@@patricklegault6383 OK no offense but this has nothing to do with the comment and no one asked
Same with SLI
@ @@edwardrobinson502 Sncd”$
Titan RTX: Hey what's up?
10 year old motherboard: AHHHHAHAHHAAHHAHHHHHHH WTF ARRREEEE YYOOOOUUUU
From de FUUTAH
"So this is a 10 year old computer!! Wooww!!"
One moment later: "So I'm gonna plug in this Titan X"
lmao
Ugh ur such a wireless charger
Sometimes you don't know what it is about a comment that's so fucking funny and makes you laugh out loud. This is one of those comments.
It’s kind of funny that Linus is making a big deal out of this board selling for $650 and now we’re well on our way to that being the new reality for a lot of “gaming” focused motherboards.
I know Asus and MSI currently have a few gaming/enthusiast AM5 and Raptor Lake boards that are priced at $800-$1,200.
yeah fr i was looking for a new motherboard to upgrade my cpu and i saw some that were 700 bucks its insane.
how are these "gaming" focused motherboards any better from normal MB? Or are they just gimmick?
@@syl_ouette You get what you pay for, unless it's an ASUS board.
"Gaming" as a prefix now just adds over 500% the regular price to anything huh
@@Jenna_Talia there actually are somewhat reasonable justifications in some cases. But it’s not because the boards are necessarily better for gaming. Ultra robust power delivery is basically solely for extreme overclocking. If you’re running your CPU at stock speeds, stock voltage, etc, it really doesn’t impact you at all. Lower to mid tier chipsets are plenty capable of moderate overclocking. Running precision boost overdrive and a memory overclock for example is perfectly doable without any of those insanely priced upper tier boards. For the vast, vast majority of people, gamers included, would never have any reason to buy something like the MSI Godlike or the Asus X670E Crosshair Extreme, which is a $1,000 motherboard. Those are for hardcore overclocking enthusiasts.
However, spending more money on a motherboard can make sense if you want a lot of high bandwidth NVMe slots. Lower and mid tier boards come with fewer of them, especially when it comes to slots which support PCIe Gen 4 or Gen 5 speeds. I’ve been using nothing but NVMe storage for a few years now so that’s my primary consideration when shopping for a motherboard.
I just finished building my AM5 system and went with the Asus B650E-E. The power delivery is more than good enough for my needs and despite it being a B-series board, which used to be quite barebones, lacking a lot of higher end features, B-series boards are getting a lot better. This one came equipped with 4 NVMe slots, two Gen 4 slots and 2 Gen 5 slots. I’m currently running two 2TB drives and can easily add two more later if needed. To me, that’s worth paying a higher price. My current B-series board has better NVMe support than my previous X570 board and cost me about the same amount of money - around $300.
Whenever i realize that 2010 is 10 years ago i get really sad.
Whenever I realize that 2050 is closer than 1990 I get realy sad
@@bm952 Holy shit delete this comment
@@bm952 oh... This is is sad
@@scharrk I would want to clean my eyeballs to unsee that sad fact
firebeastfly oh no.... :(
forget the RTX, get two 8800GTXs, windows XP, overclock THE HELL OUT OF IT and RUN CRYSIS
4 8800GTXs. Or GTX285s.
god yes please
Haha I remember those days!
@ChrisHallett83 768 ;)
8800 Ultra
Overl0rd from the Forum here! Thanks for the shout out at the beginning Linus :D Skulltrail is a truly fantastic no-expenses-spared platform. IMO one of the last times Intel really showed they cared about the enthusiasts. and I’m happy to see it’s getting some attention again. For those looking for more information and testing on Skulltrail, over the last year I’ve made a ton of in-depth content on my channel including gaming and overclocking.
A couple of points I would like to point out
-While the QX9775 CPUs are the most awesome way to go on this platform. It will work just fine with regular 771 Xeons and back then a TON of people went that route. The board will also work just fine with a single CPU. Especially the CPUs with a 1333MHz FSB have great OC headroom (as 5400 chipset runs out at around 430MHz bus speed) and could potentially reach beyond 4GHz. Overclocking the QX9775s is rather straightforward, mine do 4GHz at 1.41V. Just make sure to have proper cooling on not just the CPUs, but also active cooling on the north bridge and the FBDIMMs; those will get up to around 90C.
-Despite the fact that the drivers of the Nforce 100 chips are troublesome in Windows 10, SLI should work fine using PCIe 2 and 4 (I have tested this personally). The problems are less under Windows 7, but still present.
-16GB of RAM is definitely supported out of box. I personally run 4x4GB 667MHz overclocked to 800MHz. To do this you do have to have the latest BIOS version, as more memory config options were only added later on.
I KNEW YOU WOULD BE HERE
DellChannel21 wow
DellChannel21 did you copy that
The duck Master No, he’s just obsessed with Skulltrail. He owns multiple
The video isn't even finished yet you didn't even see the full video
**10 years later**
*how bad is i9 9900K with RTX 2080 Ti?*
iFollowYou1337 u mean Xe or R9 3900
i have and i7 8700 rtx 2070 and i am scared it will be bad in 10 years..
@@oc3026 the cpu will hold up for 8 years I think, the gpu tho..
@@mi-vanyan9092 GPU's progress rapidly slowed down though, last big jump in performance was in 2016 and since then $ doesn't really buy more performance than in 2016. For example I bought 1060 3 Gb in 2017 for $199. Now if we believe that gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2060-6GB-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1060-3GB/4034vs3646 in the right ballpark, then 2060 being 62% faster should cost ~$322. It's actual cost is about $340 - so pretty much no change in price/performance over the last 3 years. If this trend continues GPU's might live just as long as CPU's
@@artemaung5274 Well I would at least compare it with a 1060 6GB ^^
So, this basically proves that a good system is essentially futureproofed and can last at least a couple console generations. I mean not a lot of people are going to run their computers at 4K due to the amount of memory and bandwith that would use. 1080 would would be sufficient for this system.
we are matrixed by marketing
Even now. 1440 is good enough. 1080 isn't bad. I'm not spending the money for a 4K monitor so there's no sense pushing my computer to 4K, but being able to handle 4K means it can probably handle games for the next eight or ten years in 1080 or 1440.
“This computer is from 2008”
Oh that’s not old that’s 3 years ago
Your comment is three days old
KEKWait
Yeah bro I just blinked my eyes and it’s 2020? Wow time flies
r/woosh
@@zombieslayer1468 Wut
there's no LEDs so overall performance is 20% less.
iceveiled damn bro you got the whole internet laughing 😐😑😐
Tjarco Distel go play fortnite
Tjarco Distel If you don't play fortnite then what is that crap you posted?
big man exactly
Oh, wow, look an LED joke. They're almost as old as the computer Linus is building.
"10 year old"
Me:Oh damn a PC from 1995?
It's actually 2008....
you're probs living in 2005 if you thought it was from 1995
@@CGRASS-z7x Good year to live in. Peak of the pop-punk scene.
@@Alexrider02 Also peak of the American anime licensing boom before the decline really started.
So you're probably like near 40 years old at least
@@Alexrider02 but it was before the smartphone, at least the good kind
I have a PC from 10 years ago that was only $700 at the time, only upgraded the GPU once in 2016, and it still plays modern games and everything else I need it to do. Really the parts manufacturers deserve a shoutout. Even the original fans are still in there and working. And I've turned it off like twice in all that time.
Jesus, that poor PC.😂
Turned it off twice? As in, that poor guy has been pumping iron for a decade straight?
That is how computers are meant to be used. Always on, its the off and on again stuff that breaks them, lol.
i bought a dell xps8900 in 2016 and put a 1660 in it. still use it 24/7. i dont really play AAA titles but im sure it could run a lot of stuff on med graphics
you being upset about that computer not running photoshop smooth is like making fun of your granpa for losing a marathon.
yeah if he were running CS4 rather than the latest CC version (which also uses up CPU cycles for cloud authorization) it might be different. I mean like photoshop 1 ran on a 25mhz macintosh in 1995 because that's the sort of thing that was around
@@0v_x0 cloud authorization?
Ps cc run smoothly on my pentium e5700 : )
@@0v_x0 what? What is cloud authorization?
@@0v_x0 Good job with not using an Oxford comma in your response.
"What year is this board from?"
*Pulls out snarky door hanger à la slogan tees and it says 'Newbs beware, you will be pwned'
"Ah, 2008."
I dunno, that lingo sounds to me like it comes from 2000.
@@roadent217 it's from late 2000s, I was there
@@roadent217 nah. Definitely heard than in late 2000's
@Soller lmao
@Soller Purepwnage was the first thing to start joking about online 1337 gAmErS and that was in 2004. So it's definitely been seen as cringe since then.
No Cinebench R15, or any CPU benchmark...
What were you guys thinking?
Exactly! I was expecting all that on this video, /dissapointed
I’m not sure these chips could handle anything more than the light web usage they did
Here is some dual QX9775 Cinebench R15 scores. Most of them are from HWBot.
Stock 3.2GHz: about 680+
3.790GHz: 776cb
3.916GHz: 807cb
4.189GHz: 861cb (Overl0rd)
4.266GHz: 888cb
4.410GHz: 899cb
For comparison an AMD FX-8350 (8c 4.0GHz, 4.2GHz turbo) from late 2012 would get about 660cb at stock
@@Pasi123 amd so shit Haha
Damn i want that board. Do like dual watercooling loops and oc to the max attempt to use 8gb fbdimms.
I like how excited he is about "modern" Win 10 being responsive on that aged monster. Plug in an SSD and it will run smoothly on almost any machine thats still alive. I run a phenom II X4 945 (from 2009) myself which was low budget at that time without any problems. And even gaming ist still good to okay (depending on the game) with a GTX 960 (2015). Not 4k of course (You don't throw 4k at 1080-Ladies, Linus!), but the era of throwing away your whole computer every two years are over.
I managed to recently spruce up the same motherboard you mentioned. A new PSU and SSD and cleaned up the fans and dusty areas. Just needed some new thermal paste and I am hoping to keeping it for a bit longer. As for the WIN-10 installation, I preferably stopped some programmes running in the background and turned off some window's features so it can run smoothly as it could.
Photoshop: hesitates slightly
Linus: "that's unusable!"
Meanwhile my dad: "this beauty of an Acer still runs like she did when I bought her for $400 at Walmart in 2006!"
I have learnt to accept that I'll probably always be too poor for all the products this channel deems as "good"
@@blindtreeman8052 AMD my dude. The new ryzens are hella cheap.
@@Vok250 the American Standard of cheap is vastly different from where I'm from. 10 dollar minimum wage over where I'm from
@@blindtreeman8052 10 dollars an hour is fine?
@@FlourescentPotatolol it's 10 for 8 hours. 10 dollars an hour would be pretty great
2020:
2090: "How bad is a setup with a TITAN RTX and an Intel Xeon?"
@Vayne Carudas Solidor wow, create a movie or something
Vayne Carudas Solidor honestly the computer in our skulls are far more impressive than pretty much every computer save for some
Vayne Carudas Solidor I know just making an observation
@@boygenius538_8 shitty observation since it's common sense
Freezy Pop stfu
this is literally better than any pc I’ve ever had in my entire life
@@pablitocodes gtfo
The Quality Dev did I ask for your shitty crypto mining tutorials?
@@Veeooom He's just trying to help your broke ass.
Yup. I have a old laptop and a old desktop the same age as those but they are pretty poor performing.
@@RyFlyRyFly sounds about right for me.
Im still using pentium 4 from 21 years ago in 2021. In 3 world country its really common thing to use refurbished computer from all over the world. Not only pc, we also use and buy used clothes, shoes etc. If the pc still running.. we use it until it stop working. If its died, then we took it to the electrician to swap the broken part from another broken part until its really unfixable. Then the remaining part will be use as a sparepart like chipset. Fan. Capacitor. Etc.
That moment when you realize 2011 was 10 years ago
El mawdoo3 yeza3al yasta
Shut up okay!
when i realize i graduated 21 years ago
@has lol
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Linus: year 2008 hardware is super old
Me: watching this on my 2008 pc
f
Me too, although it's been upgraded a bit since I first built it in 2008. In 2013 I scored a new in box QX9650 for $75, which was the model below the 9770 Linus is using here. I've been wanting to build a new one for years now.
@@Jasontheguitarist87I still remember my AMD II x4 cpu with 4 radiators connected together with GPU to keep it cooled below 100C to work with BF3
Haha, watching it on my Dell t7400! Having 2 xeon x5450's and 32gbs of ram so still decent in performance tho! Running a gtx980 and w10 so pretty modern in relative terms... So to speak!
I'm on a Dell precision workstation with a W3520. Upgraded it with a 500gb S-ATA SSD, 12gb of ram and a 1060.
"Let's see how this 2008 pc runs under a modern workload"
> installs a titan x
> uses 10gig internet
"Wow this isn't half bad"
Budgie Bird and an SSD lol
Pls. He didn't even install Intel Optane in the PCIe.
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this is why i have a 2500k that plays gta5 at 60fps with mild settings tweaks
My question is how were they able to edit HD video a decade ago if this was cutting edge for the time?
"This is one spectacular crash"
Literally every crash I've ever experienced. If I manage to close the app without restarting my computer it's mild
10 years ago was 2009 I feel depressed and old now
When someone tells me "10 years ago" i still think of 1999....THAT makes me depressed.
That's when mac Miller became famous... oof now I feel old
@@Scitch87 1999 was 20 years ago :(
toy story is almost 24 years old
"About 10 years ago" wow! Like the beginning of modern computers! "In 2008" wait hol up what. Oh shoot.
Yeah everything is starting to make me feel ancient now. I'm the only person among my colleagues who used a phone before the iPhone came out in 2007.
4K youtube doing pretty well...
is actually gpu decoded
4k RUclips with a DX10 or Radeon 5000/6000 series graphics card and then you'll see how it does.
@@EweToobUsername radeon 5000/6000 series are dx11 cards. for dx10 you have to drop to radeon 4000 series
Its optional, you can turn it off in settings. My PC from 2011 = 4k with hardware acceleration 1% cpu usage, without it 40% usage.
i have an i5-2500 and 750ti, Hardware acceleration = enabled BUT 4k youtube gets about 50-60% cpu usage, and 4k60 youtube causes CPU buffering!
Yeah, thats true. But to be true if you place there something like 1050, cheap mainstream card it will still work great. There is no question about 2008 hardware to run 4k, but 2008 hardware supports stuff so you can use all new things with it and it just Works!. Like good USB PCIe card plus GPU like 1050 and to be truth it will work as a charm with modern SSD and mainstream games.
In my opinion this is good argument for people without money for PC. Buy old platform with good Core2Quad CPU. But used GPU like 960 or 970 to this PC and USB PCIe Card and you have PC that runs 90% of games. And I'm sure that AAA titles with 720p resolution and setting and Low/Medium will go easly above Console 30FPS minimum.
Next on LTT: *Lock Anthony in a room and force him to use a $5,000 Dekstop from 2008 as a daily driver for a month*
As long as he doesn't drop it, I'm fine with that.
He'd just get linux on it
Anthony would make the most out of it no doubt about it
That is fine as a daily driver. It sucks for a content creator, but most games and common applications still run fine on a Core 2 Quad so they should be fine on this system.
Im booking a day off for that. Long live Anthony!
It's fascinating to witness the transformation this channel has experienced over time. Fast forward to 2023, the improvements in the flow of things are remarkable, and I'm relieved you've moved past the old style of producing videos. Your overall approach to creating content in 2023 has significantly gotten better. Looking back at the older LTT content, it's a humbling reminder of how far you've come and how much you've grown.
You never asked the question that mattered when this board was made. CAN IT RUN CRYSIS?
That question has been replaced by: Can it Ray Trace Minecradt?
@@thatrealba can it race trace roblox
_How was this missed!_
And what about the quintessential "Can it run Doom?" Asking it using a dual Xeon of that era equipped with 32GB of FB-DIMM (eight slots helps a bit)
Well actually .... 😁
8 Gamers, One System: 10 Year Anniversary Edition!!!
1 core per person?
All you're going to play is Diablo 1
@@lennonrichards Linus said that games from that era tend to only use one core
They need to share the keyboard n mouse just when you was little and played with a friend ^^
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when a 10 year old pc is faster than my current pc
It's because the pc is really cool
To be fair, he's using a 2016 Titan X, which is equivalent to a 980 Ti.
The only thing that's "old" is the motherboard, ram and cpu..'s
Same :(
@@khazms still the cpu's can outperform an i7 8565U or i7 8gen.
don't complain about yours, I have a Celeron e3400
Not going to lie, when he said "let's try something more fair" first thing that popped into my head was Crysis...
Still, for us old timers that remember when computers were hopelessly obsolete and completely unusable after only a couple years, a ten year old system that can still run everything on the market, even if maybe not at the highest settings, is pretty darn remarkable.
yes i remeber haha you were buying a cumputer and as you got out of the store it was already absolet haha
Ok boomer
@@Slayyyaphine Well technically Gen X, but admittedly right on the cusp since I was born in 1968 (Boomer is born prior to 1965), so you're not far off
@@Slayyyaphine what did that comment add? Absolutely nothing.
Built to last, as all things should be.
Am I the only one who thinks 10 years ago was around 2000?
Henrique eidt
Yes.
"Damn time travelling..."
Yes I’m old too 🥳
Lol Right!
I think of 1990 when I hear 10 years ago.
Its value dropped harder after being in Linus' hands than in the 10 previous years.
Oof, that board flex when Linus is plugging in the RAM.
The real Anthony?!!
@@antonywhatever572 whatever
It makes me angry how he touches hardware. That's the reason why I only watch his videos when I am really interested in the topic.
SatanicSexGod bruh u should see my ghetto ass pc
I sad this is literally better than my cpu and motherboard :')
I have a dell optiplex 7010. With a gtx 980 4 gb. 14 gb ram. 500w power suply. An intel i5. 34 sumthn sumthn. lol
@@ItsKevin06 cool but no one asked
@@sktchthvh I'm saying. I have an old system that's not so good. I was kind of relating to his comment
@@ItsKevin06 your system is quite good in my opinion
@@averyoldRUclipsuser oh really ? Its pretty much a 99 dollar computer with 300 dollars in upgrades. I didn’t think it was very good. Im just wanting a pc to run warzone at ok settings
You should have used a graphics card and hard drive from 2008 as well.
Actually that's a fair point, but I think the point of this video is trying to show how far we've come with cpus, where the absolute top of the line from back in the day is absolutely nothing now.
Taking 10 minutes to load windows, too slow and boring
the Titan did most of the work for the youtube decode
@@omgwtfbbqstfu does it also take you 10 minutes to comment?
I was actually hoping he wouldn't do that. The question of how good of an investment would it have been back then is much more interesting in my opinion
My current life is "dealing with $2000 PC from 8 years ago", and gotta say, with the current gpu prices gonna reach 10 years soon!
Whats the spec on that pc? 2000 dollar is still a beast if it is only 8 years ago
@@baigemaeskali it is a good pc. Handle office work with ease, but it is suffering with games. One thing must be considered, I live in a country with high taxes on electronics, specially at that time, so with this cash I purchased an i5-4460, gtx 780, ssd 240 (hdd 1tb), mobo Asus z97.
@@peritoharoldo I have a newer graphics card but a 10 year old ram, cpu and motherboard. Still can run most of the newer games 60fps+
U are from Brazil, right? When u mentioned "high taxes on electronics" I thought "That's Brazil for sure" LOL
@@arkadia3549 u got that right! Not a good thing my country be recognized by its taxes, but it is a true thing!
Most surprising thing about the video: 2008 was 10 years ago
it's 2020, so its 12 years.
Thanks obama
... all for the low price of.. $ 5 Grand. ... Spend that donaro today both as a pre-built and a parts only (DIY) one... Could hardwire a whole house (saving the family from the 5G microwaving going on outside) AND get a decent gaming system. IMHO.
i7 was released 11 years ago and Nehalem Xeon 2P was released 10.5 years ago.
¡¡Linus nos está engañando!!
11 years
This pc performs way better than my cousin's laptop that has intel core i5 gen 10 also his laptop costs 1500$
of course :)...my 10 year old tower is better than my new one, lmao
ah yeah, notebooks are so limited that I wonder why people that don't actually need to save space nor platform mobility get them
@@ezecskornfan mobility and money saving bro. I just ordered one and its waaaay better than my old gaming pc and therefore enough for me.
@@Jack-yd7ci but notebooks are worse and more expensive than actual PCs with the same specs, what money are you saving?
Good guy Linus. Estimates build at 5-7k puts 5k in title to not be as click bait.
yeah and no one talks about that!
5k sounds better than 7k
@@HarshRajAlwaysfree I don't know how you figure that but okay
@@magaman49 since we humans add up numbers in packs of 10 and its multiples
we like numbers which are factors of 10 or its multiples , it makes bundling easier to our pea brains
Well if the range is 5-7k, putting any number between that range would not be considered click bait. Although it does sound a bit more reasonable if he puts 5k.
He's speaking like 2008 was the 70's
In the tech world it kinda is
@@MikeJohnson-qy4wq yea. Its crazy how much things have changed
In tech it might as well been 300 years ago.
@@JayBigDadyCy yea...people be like what's a 3090,we got a rtxxxx70000
The experience is comparable to driving a '70's car: Still usable everyday but the difference between it and new is very noticable.
10 Year old PC
Me: Interesting, a PC from the 90s
Linus: Actually 2008
Me: shit iam old now am i ?
Stolen comment
I refuse to believe someone could be this bad at math or blind
I was thinking about that.
@@user-yz4ck8hn2m I refuse to believe someone can be this all-round dumb
Built my first ground up PC System in 2007 (Always just red necked different tiers of Gateway PC's during high school in the 90's) , Built my 1st off a ROG Maximus Extreme and two 8800 GTX in SLI. I don't remember what CPU or Ram I used. Man this video takes me back to those days
I dont know what all the hate is about.......Im runing
A tape transport with an 8-photocell reading mechanism.
A six character FIFO shift register
Twelve thyratron ring stores that simulated the Lorenz machine generating a bit-stream for each wheel.
Panels of switches for specifying the program and the "set total".
A set of function units that performed Boolean operations.
A "span counter" that could suspend counting for part of the tape.
A master control that handled clocking, start and stop signals, counter readout and printing.
Five electronic counters.
An electric typewriter.
..and i just finished rendering a black and white picture of a cup. It only took six weeks and $1400 of electricity......you guys have it GOOOOOD !!!
This is gold
I came halfway through reading that.
Bruh
You my friend, golden specimen.
I think that a IBM 1403 Chain Printer would really help your productivity.
16:19 Linus having to deal with the problems us budget PC owners have to deal with almost everyday. “Wow this is one spectacular game crash”
I spit out my drink! 😂
@@samuelbaggett5002 lol I can’t even count how many times my PC has just locked up on me, leaving my only solution to be sign out or reboot my PC entirely.
@@Padverus yep sometimes i couldnt even get the ctrl+alt+del to work and even if it did i couldnt make task-manager to pop up
My 2,500€ laptop from 5 years ago is very similar
A good trick I learnt on win 10 is to hit windows key + tab create a new desktop and open task manager in the new desktop by right clicking the task bar not through shortcut key and there you can close any programme that has your PC locked up
WAIT A MINUTE. If you forgot to plug the chipset fan back in, then you need to re-run all the tests.
Linus Failed Tips
For part 2 I want that chipset fan on!!!
I'd love to see what Linus could do with the 2004 Dell server workstation I used regularly up until maybe a year or so ago.
now, put a video card from 2008 (which doesn't decode 4k video) in it, cause that's the only reason it's able to
@uhh so that there would be no bottleneck from the gpu and you can see the processors performance mostly
More entertaining to see what the system from back then would perform like, not with a card from the "future". Glad I read this comment, now I don't even wanna watch the video.
Iwould love to see a cinebench score, Power consumption during gaming 3dmark firestrike
He could at least turn hardware acceleration off in Chrome...
5:18 The flex on that motherboard on the cardboard box gives me the heebie jeebies
Yea EEV I was thinking the same thing! Wouldn't it of been better to place it on the flat surface of the table rather than the empty box flexing the heck out of it?! Pressing the RAM in on the flat table wouldn't have flexed the board nearly as much / hardly at all!
I guess they're designed to be able to flex a little bit, but it just seems a bit careless and could break traces or rip up components if you continued to stress the board like that plus you wouldn't treat newer good hardware like that! ;)
You're not the only one, and I'd guess that they kept cutting back to the close-up view every time he put in another DIMM because someone else on the LTT staff had similar worries.
Plus the lack of an ESD strap in any of his videos. lol
@@TheCobruhAlienat0r - Oh please. I've been building machines for 20 years without ever using an ESD strap. Just touch the unpainted areas of the chassis or another grounded piece of metal, all good.
And don't wear your terrycloth robe and fuzzy slippers while dragging your feet in the winter time.
@@TheCobruhAlienat0r "do as i say, not as i do" used to be his catchphrase after all
The irony of this video is that this PC is still likely more powerful than 40-50% of the consumer computers currently being used on the market in 2019 LOL
lol i would say 90 %. he did put a rtx in that baby.
@@cepheibaw with an RTX it goes up to 98% lol, but yeah he made some really unfair tests and the game still ran pretty well.
Who plays at 4k monitor? Less than 1% of world population (no jokes)
The PC itself is a monster, even if it is 10 years old
@@TheNubaHS As of 2018, around 31 percent of U.S. television households made use of 4K Ultra HDTV products.
@@philonetic first: thats TV, not PC monitor
Second: this only happens in the US, Europe, South Korea and Japan. Everywhere else in the world a 4k monitor costs months of standard work, which not many people can afford.
Are you american? Americans and europeans' teenagers tend to have a weird view of the world
@@TheNubaHS doesn't matter, you're still talking out of your ass
We need a video like this back in 2023
Really puts a perspective on "future proofing"
No one says that future proofing means eternal future immunity.
Bulletproof vests don't make you immune to bullets, just a bit more resilient.
It just describes a necessity for upgrade being further away than some other product, whether it's a short/mid/long-term performance with few or many features etc that may or may not be very common now, but it will be eventually, but still not so far away, that purchasing a completely new product might be a necessity. :)
Future proofing works for like 3 years, by then most people upgrade again.
@@brat-b8h i mean when it comes to some things its future proof like psus right? If you get a 1600w psu idk why you would have to upgrade any time soon
Jo-E using a psu is based on the power consumption of your system for example your cpu was the 65watts and your gpu was 220 watts then you should get a bare minimum of 450 watts just so you don’t bottle neck instead of getting a bare minimum psu if you get a 1600watt psu it’s not necessary for your system on top of that power efficient increase as thing tend to progress but again that is not a reason to get low watt psu as things like overclocking or even in instances of more powerful hardware still requiring more power
@@hexados7479 You could run two 3090’s and 10900k and still not hit the limit with a 1600 watt power supply.
Can you imagine if there was such a thing today and you could run a pair of i9's together 💀 killer
@Nick Diesal right but 2 i9's
@@Ajallday1010 so a single 5950x lol
@@thevisi0naryy that is factual, hmmm I guess it wouldn't be as wild or as uncommon power wise
@@Ajallday1010 There's a couple reasons why. The biggest one is that the latency of trying to use two cpu's on different sockets is huge, they cant work together and communicate fast enough for it to be beneficial (most of the time).
But for the most part if you have tasks that benefit from lots of cores, you can pretty much get however many you need in a single cpu. There are server cpu's reaching up into the 64 core range. When this motherboard was made in 2010, I think the highest core count cpu was 6 cores. Crazy right? Thats only 11 freaking years.
And while thats really cool, most of the software me or you would use would not see any practical benefit from that amount of cores. Maybe even worse depending on the software.
There are, actually. System76 sells a few. Though looking at the overall specs, having 2 processors is the least impressive part.
*Linus:* Creates the most popular PC Tech channel on RUclips.
*Also Linus:* "SSD DRIVE"
You know that a thing right?
@@pronoob3238 "SSD drive" = solid state drive... drive
@@pronoob3238 ssd = solid state drive
So what linus said was solid state drive drive
@@zerenityzz Exactly, it's a lapsus, he meant storage
You have to get the money to buy one from an ATM machine
I remember the weird short-lived era of multi-cpu motherboards. My dad had a "high end" computer that had 2 pentium 4 chips in it lol.
This is really one of the very best tech channels. Been watching for YEARS and way to go
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Surely he didn't do that whole video without a cinebench score???
They can include it if they do overclocking for the comparison
well he did say there's a part two...
I'd love to see how that thing stacks up against my X6 1100T's 671 pts in R15
spavatch What clock speed do you have that running at? I had a 1055T running at 3.9 and I got 580.
@@Celeron_619 - 4.5 GHz. I bet you're running it on DDR3 so you'd get that score at just 4.0-4.2.
Turn off hardware gpu assistance in your browser and THEN check your cpu usage Linus
Not a fair comparison since modern CPUs have H.264/HEVC/VP9 decoding.
A full screen exclusive app will softlock the whole computer as you can’t even get to the sign out or power button or use any shortcuts.
I cant get over the fact that you are randomly swinging an rtx 2080ti in your hand, I'd build a shrine and worship it
Same fam
Why it’s a regular card
@@justshady who do u think u are saying that..
Gogo sometimes I like to just touch my rtx 2080ti and hope to be as great as it one day
Now imagine what the you from 10 years ago would have thought of the RTX 2080 Ti.
"Wow, this is a spectacular game crash. I can't even get the task manager up"
First time?
nope
It's always hl2
@@harleyspeedthrust4013 hl2? Lol what kinda pc u running?
@@grod5998 I got a good pc 10th gen i7 with a 2070 but hl2 is just old and is hard to close when it crashes
@@harleyspeedthrust4013 weird. Played all the episodes for 15+ hours with no crashes. Source spaghetti amirite?
"11 year old hardware plays 4K RUclips just fine"
While using a Titan X with VP9 hardware decode.
With every video he does, he makes himself look so fkn dumb. why can't he take some time to prepare before starting to record ffs.
Didn't saw your comment when i wrote mine, when he was testing rocket league at around 17:00, he also had fps locked to 62 ( which is default setting for some reason ).
@@-na-nomad6247 You can even see Chrome's using 37% of the GPU in Task Manager...lol
@@fallingnao3919 62fps? sounds like v-sync is disabled, just
And SSd that didn't exist back then. Not bad
16:25 Dude...YES. This has been one of my biggest annoyances with windows for years. Just let me end a task!
That was such a good video you picked to test 4k video. Love me some Zack... He seems like an amazing person.
its actualy stupid because he uses new gpu. videos are decoded with gpu, not the old cpu.
Anyone have a link to the video?
@@Andy85H just search jerryrigeverything elevator
11:30
The processor the motherboard had almost nothing to do with 4k playback Linus. It had everything to do with the modern video card stuck in it.
If you wanted a true test at play 4K playback turn off hardware acceleration in chrome.
Then re-run your test otherwise your test was pointless.
If you stuck a video card in from the time it would not have had to 4k decoding it would of been limited to 1440p at best.
Older cards would only hardware accelerate 265 at 1080p then next gen did1440p and so on.
You can playback at higher resolution but it would be on CPU not GPU. You can go on to nvidia's hardware descriptions for GTX cards and it specifically States the resolution that can run at 264 and 265 decoders.
I know this because I came into the problem running a GTX660ti vs GTX 970 vs a 1080ti.
Yeah it all depends on what codecs the GPUs can decode. I don’t think any GPUs from the time really did any video decoding, or maybe basic codecs at most. For current RUclips high resolution decoding you’ll need a card that supports vp9 which would be the 950, 960, and pascal and newer cards on the Nvidia side. Av1 is starting to be adopted by RUclips and only tiger lake, ampere, and RDNA 2 cards will be able to decode that.
@disadadi No it did not. I'm surprised Linus made such a obvious mistake or actually his whole staff did.
@@Zosu22 I agree.
An no they did, Jesus first started with Microsoft codecs then they worked out to x263 you might remember it as the DivX codec?
Then they moved on to running the same Kodak at a higher resolution and so on and so forth as each architecture in graphics became available.
Yeah I had one of those old CRT sony silicon graphics workstation monitors that was widescreen.
Running 1440p ish res was the shit back before the industry figured out it was better.
I'm bread blew my mind being able to have to web browser Pages up on the screen at the same time without having to scroll left or right.
I've always been in the top 1% crowd on steam.
I had a widescreen monitor when a lot of people were still using 4:3. I remember having to edit reg files and ini files to modify games so they would work in widescreen like Tron 2.0.
An running pirated movies and early 4k RUclips test footage at high resolution was always a dance between having a card that supported running said codec at higher than 1080p or having a fast enough multi core CPU to do it unaccelerated.
They pull out this huge dual core Uber expensive set up and they throw in a modern video card and have it do all the work it's like saying here let me show you this amazing robot doing all these amazing things and then they bring out the assistant and the assistant is really doing everything while the other person is just standing there issuing instructions.
An the robot just sits there.
@@anarex0929 Lol really? Linus is quite a noob most of the time.
Nobody:
Linus: makes sponsor spots exactly ten seconds long so you can skip them easily
Edit: this is my first comment to break five likes lol
Wat
my skip rate is 30-30 sec , so it's not good for me :)))
@@kisspeteristvan you can change it in the options
@Mootch and i'm coming for you :))
wat
Dear Linus, It's not about Windows Task Manger being unable to End task. It's only about task manager not being able to show itself on top of the crashed apps by default. All you have to do is that go to Task Manager before any crash happens, Then click on Options menu on top menu bar, and activate the tick near Always on top. That way you can always have your task manger on top of any crashed app without anything else disturbing you from closing crashed or unwanted tasks.
Hope this helps.
"Noobs beware you will be pwned" That door hanger single-handedly added 5 minutes to this youtube video with how many times I rewatched it. Oh my god, 2008 was a magical time. That would be like getting a door hanger today that says "only homies that are certified poggers allowed inside." I love big corporations and how tone-deaf they are sometimes.
I would shit my pants if my mobo today came with that door hangar. I would laminate it before hanging it to make sure it wasn't damaged
Young friend of mine has a "Warning: Pro-Gamer" sign as avatar in discord... That sign was cringe even in the early 2000's, when it came out.
@@CrustyCrendan ya that was pretty hilarious
While he was reading that I think I time travelled to the day I was born and had an apparition of the guy making it
"PC form 10 years ago""
uses a GTX titan xp
I got on ebay thinking how cool it would be to find an old relic gpu that would be affordable and collectable. Your killin me here. $800 geez what a sucker I am lol good one.
Man, that is some incredibly good looking 4K footage. For real.
Apple Mac Pro 3,1. You can buy those for 200$ and put a RTX 3080 in it. hahahaha :-D
@@jnsfaith7030 i could give you my old 8800gtx for free Just laying here and get dusty..
from*
Linus: How bad is this $5000 PC from 10 years ago?
Me: **Uses a $500 PC from 10 years ago on a regular basis** What a noob
can't relate
I'm still using a phenom II x4 bought in 2009
Ok so I looked it up and turns out my Sapphire Radeon HD5850 Xtreme is from 2009, so 11 years old, but on top, both my motherboard and my CPU (P5N-D and Core 2 Duo 8400) are from 2008, so *12* years old! And I don't think that's something I should brag about.
@@bon3scrush3r I'm still running an Athlon ll x4 @ 2.80 GHz 😅 this bad boy can actually run for example monster Hunter world on the very lowest settings 😎
I'm using a 2009 Mac Pro. Works pretty damned well actually.
Woud love to see more "How does this 5K top of the line machine fare X years later" type videos.
Just download some ram if you wanna get past 8gb. Pretty simple
Well...you can download more Neuron for your brain 😂😂
I deleted files such as system32 and that help a lot
@Alex Ch. shh no snitches here
I was downloading a 1080ti but it got interrupted at 98%.. I'll try later.
Meine Katze heisst Linus.
Linus: "Oh crap I forgot to plug back the chipset fan in"
Tests: Invalid, do it all over again.
He SHOULD have re-run those tests.
Those were regular double-click-to-launch tests, with no complex results; just looking at it and saying if it's good.
You let the 8-ball fall. Test failed.
Needs More Fans :P :P
@Hazard highly incorrect, the ESB2 did have a internal thermal throttle, it also throttled the nforce100 bridges below it
The look on his face 🤣
I have 8x 8gig fbdimms in my old server, you could borrow some if you want
Email him
I doubt he'll borrow it. They got enough money to buy some
@@SloppyTelopy so? I mean wasting money is a bad practice
I hope they see this.
@@sniper_duck4602 plus we know linus is Cheap AF. Look how long he drove the pink lambo because the drivetrain was solid.
We built our own computer systems from parts bought in the Far East. Cost us about USD$ 3,000 to build a 386 in the 90s. Were we had?
Linus your ads are so quick, I end up overshooting if I fast forward, so I just watch them now.
elkikex lmao same
You can change the seek time from 10s to 5s in RUclips settings
@@sravan_krishnan you've changed my life
Nah, I always watch through ads to see how the transition goes.
@@nonoaidnono Only ever happy to pass on my knowledge 😂that had changed my life too in the past
this video shows pretty well, how bloated the many modern apps are. we could edit photos and browse the web on worse machines 10 years ago, now we cant, because it takes 10 times the memory and a lot more cpu performance.
Also more of them are "cloud connected" and require a subscription. Looking at you, Adobe
Now photos are much higher resolution so it takes more computer to edit it. And the content online is also way higher resolution.
@@ccricers this needs more upvotes! fking cloud. if i want some clouds i will leave my house when it rains.
I remember being impressed in 2006 how the whole of Puppy Linux could run "TO RAM" in
No 4k 10 years ago. Maybe 720p.
In 2029 there will be an old Linus asking how the Ryzen 9 3950Xs 16 cores still hold up to modern systems.
42 year old linus still rocking the earrings and spiky geek hair.
@@corrosion83 also the rare shoes called shandles
My 2014 PC runs just fine in 2023, plays any games I want, does any task easily, and wasn't even high end.. i5 4690, 8gb now 16gb ram, rx 460, ssd, etc
"This is one spectacular crash"
Gmod: Pathetic
Fucking gmod 😂
Well the RUclips CPU Benchmark is quite flawed. As RUclips 4k is accelerated by the nVidia Titan X
Yeah, unless he turned off GPU acceleration in Chrome.
@@chewie4565 He did not. I think he just did not realize that what he is doing does not make sense.
Was thinking the exact same thing when he was like “Oh, 4K on RUclips and only 20% CPU usage!” Lol
@@baldbutton1983 20% cpu usage is still interesting, though. Even with the help of a modern GPU, 20% is relatively high. Even watching this video in 4k on my Ryzen 2400G using the Vega 11 graphics, CPU usage is 3-4% with a brief spike to 20% whilst scrubbing around. Not 20% during normal second by second playback.
@@MrParmenio24 Yeah but how much of that 20% is really RUclips and how much is just Windows background crap.
There is a HUGE bottleneck: The chipset! Your running a dual cpu without the fan on the chipset! Lol!
That explains the crash on the game(maby).
GT Gaming maybe*
Somalisk Atomfysiker .
Somalisk Atomfysiker lol ok
Somalisk Atomfysiker OoF
One of the best videos that I'd recon, which shows how much CPU technology has advanced over a decade or so.
but this machine has a 1600MHz FSB. modern machines have hyper transport busses. but only 100 or 200 FSB.
When you realize your pc is worse than a 10 year old pc.
A 10-year-old $5,000 PC, don't forget
Actually it's closer to 13 years old now. But yeah, it about as fast as my Asus G74Sx-bbk7 from nearly 10 years ago except that it draws more power and crashes more often as opposed to my laptop which can run Photoshop 2021 without any hiccups.
And this laptop cost $1200 back in 2011. Probably worth only $150 nowadays...
I'm curious how much this $5000 desktop degraded down to in 2021.
@@DavidAllen_0 i am running a asus G75vw with nvidia 670 and core I7. apparently still worth a little bit of money. you might be surprised .
i can tell you its very sad😥😥
:(
8K RUclips worked fine because hardware acceleration was enabled, that offloads video playback to the GPU so it doesn't matter what crappy CPU you have as long as it covers the bare minimum.
Also, CPU intensive task performance can be improved by tweaking task priorities and enabling "UseLargePages" if they use a lot of RAM (the Photoshop test).
I'm sure I could get quite an edge of performance out of that system.
Large pages doesn't really do much for you if photos hop is already eating 5.7 of 8gb of your ram without it.
He's well aware of large pages
YOEL _44 came here to comment this you can playback 4k youtube in any modern gpu easily.
this only works if you dont have a crap gpu, which most computersk with crap cpus had
@@dscarmo Yea, I know, but like... that's not the point...
Lot of information you have wrong or missing
First this board will work with any 5000(no guarantee), 5100, 5300, and 5400 series Xeon chip and only needs one CPU to run, however one CPU will only allow 2 ram slots to work, each CPU directly address it's respective ram via the MCH.
Second the nforce pcie switches were NOT needed to accomplish 4 pcie x16 slots, it was added because Nvidia wasn't going to allow sli at the time on a board that didn't use an nforce chipset, that also had the ability to do crossfire!
The nforce chipset is connected directly to the MCH not the ESB
The board chipset is a seaburg 5400 MCH and an ESB2 for a South bridge, both use thermal probes and thermal throttling. These are enterprise hardware not consumer
The ram must be actively cooled as the MCH does need it as well. Repaste the North bridge, the factory had a issue with the MCH factory thermal paste and sent a notice about it, repasted drops it 30 degrees fyi
The front USB ports are actually passed through a onboard hub and reduced to USB 1.1 not USB 2.0
The rear esata ports and onboard data ports are all sata 2, the onboard ports are through the ESB2 and the rear ports are via a marvel6121(marvel61xx driver) controller, with shitty driver support.
The motherboard will take 32gb of ram, I highly recommend it, helps performance alot
If you want to optimize on the bios, turn off speedstep as this board has a bug with speed step causing the cpus to never clock back up, and turn off hpet, it causes serious stutter and slowdowns with this board
You must connect the extra molex power at the bottom of the board or the vdroop to the board will cause a crash
The happiest bus speed for this board is 1600mhz, something the qx9775 supports out of the box, xeons can be bus overclocked to this as well.
Any other questions just ask, I've basically found everything you can do with the platform
But you have an anime profile pic
@@speedylordinc.3748 means nothing, channel has been imortalized the way the owner left it 5 years ago
@@bait28 I wish Linus knew what he was talking about, like seriously, everything is done wrong, and he might not even address it
@@bait28 I was just joking haha, but you could have a point, I can't really tell as I'm only discovered LinusTechTips since a year or two
@@speedylordinc.3748 he sometimes is fine but other times he is horridly wrong or does little research
I have a 10 year old Windows 7 system, cost me no more than $800 to build & it still does most of what I need it to do just fine.
Remember that Core2Quads and Extremes are basically 2 Core2Duo chips glued together on the same package and with this board in fact you're having like 4 Core2Duos
no Linus, you cannot sell your wife's bath water.
but you can sell Dennis's
@Darius Beaumont then would it be the used water cooling water?
In all fairness, Adobe has very poorly optimized programs that are chock full of memory leaks.
After Effects has absolutely never eaten up 10GB of ram at idle, i don't see what you're talking about
I've even had Lighroom eat about 4gb doing absolutely nothing.
Harrison Hoffman Booting up Photoshop without any files open can eat 20+ GB of storage
@@Vaylon. lucky... guess u the only special one then
@@BrianMcKee I have a ton of photos in my library right now and if I click in any image and go to the Develop module, it will absolutely eat 4GB before I change. Quite strange.
My i7-4960x for $140 is crushing it still.
haha same but I got my 7920x for 200$
Linus : runs 65 fps on 4k and ultra settings
Linus : *that's quite playable*
And, it's still better than mine GT 710 😂🤣😂🤣😭😭
Wait I’m confused here lol. Because I know tons of people that can’t do 4K to begin and hitting 60 is normally from what I know having sli 1080 or 1080ti
thats still better than my 960 ... honestly i fell anything bout 60 FPS is jsut for bragging rights and 30 fps is still smooth, heck 20 used to be good and i rember when playible meant over 10 FPS
ThunderClawShocktrix Do you mean for 4K? I don’t play in 4K as it’s only useful with certain monitors and not needed for esports. But 60fps is the bare minimum as far as I know. Even when I use to play CS I had to play with 200 frames or more to be good. 30 just doesn’t cut it for me playing or watching. It’s like how I can’t go back to 720P now
@@ThunderClawShocktrix 60fps is BARE MINIMUM. In some games 30fps isn't too bad, but in most games (especially competitive games) 60!fps makes a huge difference.
Just because you may not have experienced high framerates doesn't mean they're not superior.
More RAM and a good ol' fashion FSB overclock would probably do wonders for that machine.
I have that machine and it does but in games like Fortnite (or those using the newst Unreal engine) the gameplay and animations play faster than normal, like not in sync. It reminds me of old dos games that relied on the clock to keep the game in sync at it's intended speed.
Jacen Solo Don‘t forget to download an RTX 3090XTI to speed it up even more!
Why FSB overclock when you have unlocked Chips. Good old Core2Quads Didnt like anything above 430-440Mhz anyway.
Overclock this thing and you won't need any radiator in your house
when your game crashes like that, you can press WINDOWS KEY+TAB and select a new desktop, open task manager there and close the game
Why caps tho
Omg thanks! My games crash all the time!
Caps lock isn’t needed for that command. It’s just Win Key+Tab. It also depends on what the user is used to. Tbh, I reboot my computer on a crash like that, but I can reboot, log in, and be on the loaded desktop, in about 10 seconds.
well i''ll be damned, people still do actually post accurate info on RUclips haha
FractilOpacity. I can't. My PC is an entry level gamer pc that was less than $500
lol, it's a very decently performing platform! I'm still casually using its little brother (DX48BT2+QX9770) as a W7 media center and light gaming rig on a TV. It might even be "slightly" faster than this monster, even with only 4 cores, since it has the same 1600MHz FSB but also DDR3-1600 DC and single x16 PCIe 2.0 (or dual x8) without the added nVidia PCIe 1.1 bridging.