I remember back in 2010, when I was still working as an IT admin, it was the big SSD transition period alongside the Velociraptor, which had been around for a few years. The receptionist and the HR department got new machines... with SSDs... They complained to the IT dept. that their computer was too fast, so they where not able to "get my coffee and talk to each other" anymore.🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
That's the only reason to get to work early. Boot up your system, go get some coffee, have a doughnut and by the time 8:00 rolls around, it's ready to log in and start work.
It's crazy how "newest and slowest" PCs are essentially e-waste when compared to second-hand units. Really makes you question the value of buying brand new.
Keep in mind they went out of their way to find the "slowest" parts for the money - you can build or buy new systems for a similar cost that perform much better - for example, I got a BeeLink mini PC for half the cost and it performs so much better. I use it as a Minecraft server for my kids and it works just fine for that purpose - even running it through virtualization.
It's crazy how he skipped the boot sequence the motherboard loading and didn't even show the beginning of Windows loading for the second PC. That's crazy
Remember the Windows 10 minimum spec that said 32GB of storage, leading to a slew of $200 tablet computers with exactly 32GB of eMMC storage that then couldn't update anymore because Windows actually needed more like 48GB just to download and temporarily store update files until it could actually apply the updates on reboot?
Same happened with Androids as well. I got an 8gb over 16gb version. By the time I trashed by phone the OS took up something like almost 7gb. The distaste left in my mouth was so bad I went to Apple. Of course there were other problems as well not just this.
@@HHalcyonthat wasn’t an android problem, that was a „you are cheap“ problem. It’s like comparing a mac to this and then deciding mac wins, ignoring price and everything 🤦♂️
@@erebostd no, that was a "we make a 8 GB phone, but we will still fill it with adware to make money twice" problem. With a custom rom, you suddenly had enough storage for normal use.
@@HHalcyon the point is apple sells hardware & software. The best analogy would be google. Get a google phone - basically any google phone - and you’ll receive a good device with long time support and features apple users can’t even dream about having (i‘m typing this on an iPad pro, i see it every day). The beauty of android is that you get a device for everybody in nearly every price range. There’s even a place for the low tear phones you had. Special use cases, but they are there. Switching to Apple because this one, cheap device didn’t fulfill the expectations is quite a reaction. Apple has (or better had) it’s big selling points, but in a world where the cheapest new phone is 529 bucks (the old iPhone se 2. generation) and the top device is nearly 2k while having massive problems in hardware and software…i feel apple lost the last bit of the stuff it was „different“. I think every device Apple sells is better than a cheap android device. But as soon as you go to the same price level where apple starts, you reached mid range android. Pixels start around 400 bucks, depending where you live. A oneplus 12r as an example costs as much as the cheapest iPhone (again, new prices in official stores, slight differences possible) and it blows the SE out of the water. And it has 5 years of updates guaranteed. Just to name a few 😉
@@nadavgozlan1328 Linus lives and works in the Greater Vancouver area of Canada, so their internet speed is extremely good. He also has spent good money on making sure the connections throughout his buildings are top notch. Edit: Spelling
4gb was making the OS hit pagefile instantly which just further shows why you should not install OS's on hard drives yes 16gb would probably make this thing more snappy it would not be that big of a difference because 2 non HT cores are E-waste and will struggle with OS alone if anything this is a good showing on why you should think a bit when looking to build a setup where slower 2 8gb sticks are actually better than a faster single 16gb stick of RAM another thing is windows by default these days has RAM compression enabled (known as SysMain in services) which will hammer CPU to save space and if you were to disable that you can gain some performance back so yeah; don't buy modern low end and go buy yourself a last gen mid range or even older high end because used market is actually full of solid deals as long as you have patience
It’s probably both. I used similar specs pc a while back and found out that if you have either SSD or 8G of RAM windows is at least useable. I have a pentium machine with HDD but 12g of RAM and a mba with 4g of ram and SSD running windows, they are not fast, but basic web browsing is fine
I bought a used PC from an office sale in 2011 with a Core 2 Quad. It was about 4 years old when I bought it, and I got a staggering amount of use out of it. To this day one of the best purchases I've made thanks to that company going out of business. Amazing Craigslist find.
My first computer was a dell laptop ordered from their catalog in about 2003. It proudly wore the tag "intel celeron inside". I laughed when you showed the "slowest" chip's specs (2 core 3.5 Ghz). Mine had 512mhz and 256mg's of RAM. I still played CS on it, albeit with some major issues.
Something to note, these OEM machines very often use proprietary connectors and parts, swapping out the PSU might need special motherboard adapters and sometimes even a GPU might not physically fit
And those adapters are available for a whole lot of Dell, HP, Acer, and Lenovo desktop motherboards. Yeah, you probably have to wait a couple weeks for the adapter to arrive from China. As for the GPU not fitting in the case, Harbor Freight sells angle grinders.
That's one thing, i got myself a old SFF hp office desktop and well it's not really upgradable, no psu upgrade due to SFF and it can't fit most of the parts due to lack of connectors in the psu .
Good point, someone could always get a GTX 1650 not exactly a great GPU but powered off the PCIe no need for power adapter and is tiny so would fit even in a small OEM case.
@@littlemeg137Always a great idea to use a random adapter self-imported. That way insurance pays you and you pay the insurance company if it starts a fire.
@@them3atstick753 To be honest, I think he was talking about the CPU/hard drive only being capable of 20 MB/S, which is for sure unacceptable. But I thought it was funny. And yeah, I live in the countryside, the best internet package I can get is 4MB/S (for double the price).
@@them3atstick753 He has (don't remember how many) gpbs net so in that context 20 mbps is unacceptable, it has nothing to do with other people's internet speed
I remember still downloading in KB/s not that long ago, with around 10mbps! Seeing download speeds in megabytes per second felt absolutely crazy to me, I'd have killed for 3 MB/s back then, and that was only a few years ago!
Y'know, people say Linus is out of touch. But he still got sticker shock at $320. He has no reason to blink at that number, but he knows that it's unreasonable for that computer, because he does stay in touch with actual value to real consumers.
What I don't think helps with a lot of the people claiming linuses out of touch, is they don't seem to understand the difference between price to performance and price. Something can be very expensive but not be overpriced because you're building a PC to compete with the Mac pro on price and just seeing how much better it is. But a $300 system built with new components that is practically speaking incapable of running a modern operating system is simply unacceptable
@@aaronmarchbanks5394 the objective was to make the slowest PC not the cheapest PC That is still effective, also, I don't know if you can get an SSD at the same price as that HDD
Atlteast with ssd and lot of ram that thing should be fine for basic task . My old brother laptop that have been sold last year was completely unusable despite having core i5 8250u, cuz it still use hdd as boot drive
I had something similar just until last year. it was 2nd hand i3-2130, it had more ram than u could need, a similar hard drive, and it was just like this... forever loading, I couldn't take it anymore. it even had the same 1030 gt! I since upgraded to another mobo that supports i7-7700, with nvme drive. and a 1650 low profile card. now I have windows 11!
Laptops are always ever marching forward in tech The form factor dominate the windows and mac space Normie tech users will prioritize laptops when shopping for a windows laptop due to portability and because they are well integrated, if one irraplacable component dies, it usually takes the rest of the system with it. First party service centers often screw up their customers' critical repairs, and most laptop users rarely put the effort to look for actually reliable repair shops, since they are in a sea of sketchy ones. This explains why the average steam PC never goes slower (except the GPU) like, 6 cores is the most common CPU with 2.5 Ghz clock speed??? Why is the 1650 the most common GPU? last I checked, no one buys this card because laptops have this as the bare minimum.
wait, how did I find someone with the exact same CPU of my 2nd worse laptop on a channel like this? (the worst being a Pentium T3400 I got for free, and the best being an i7 4510U I also got for free)
i had a pc up on marketplace with a 1080ti and i7700k cpu. plenty of power despite being old parts, but i couldn't get more than $400 for it. had to drop the price so many times and someone finally took it. i wish i could have sent this video to all the idiots that didn't buy my computer
Dude! I'm in this EXACT situation. I mean exactly. It's currently at $300 and I still have no takers! The GPU alone should be worth that! I don't know what people's aversion is to older stuff. So annoying.
@@Call_Me_Pickle I dont know whether thats like an NA Thing, but here in Germany I had to camp listings for many weeks to even get a good deal. Most people sell their old stuff for like 50 bucks less than when they bought it originally 5 years ago. Maybe move here and I buy all you stuff? xd
Starlink has actually changed that, I'm no Elon Stan, actually I can't stand him, but I can't deny when he funds something that is good The average internet speed in rural areas in the US in 2023 was a bit over 100mbs, last year is when starlink became more readily available In 2020 it was 40mbs
Yeah, but they need to buy new, because of warranty and if they use money from grants, you can't go second hand. It's stupid rule, especially for technology stuff but it's a rule.
how the hell did you end up buying anything close to that? Isn't the name "celeron" an immediate red flag and also a GPU with the 2 last digits less than 50? I sold my friend a 160€ PC with an i7 2nd gen and a gtx 960 4gb GPU, complete with a 240GB ssd and a 500GB HDD, I profited like 60€ on that thing + he's complaining that I scammed him, which I might have, a bit... but I do have to profit somehow... how the hell do you even begin to think about buying such shitty parts, it is literally beyond me (I am assuming you know at least a bit about PCs since you're watching Linus, it could have just been your parents that bought it, but if you did, how?)
Had GT440, I3 2125, 4gb of DDR3. Painful renders and gaming at 720p (Lowest), tweaking settings to get one at medium, 30 fps looked so good. Only 6 years ago.
bought a used Pc lancool mesh 2, 32 gigs vengeance, 5900x, 2070s, 2tb evo, rm1000x, corsair rgb fans, 360mm corsair aio, 800 used. it was built by someone who was totally lost, fans in the wrong spot, AIO sub optimal, ram installed wrong, thing runs amazing now. going to be upgrading this thing for years to come.
Ive only just realised, people say sluggish, but then say a snails pace (never heard 'a slugs pace' or 'snailish') and use snails to visually represent slow speeds, never slugs.
maybe it's because they're referencing 2 different creatures with those 2 different sayings that have been ingrained into english vernacular? Why would they change what's already common speech patterns?
Given the recent video about building a $500 console-beating machine, I'm wondering if in future this is turned into some kind of miniseries or feature video that compared various kinds of "cheap" build, almost Secret Shopper-style though without the customer support angle. Cheapest PC with brand new components, cheapest PC with used components, cheapest PC that matches a console, cheapest PC with new components Linus/someone would feel comfortable recommending to a friend etc. An all-round comparison of different budget build approaches.
When my friends have old pcs, i like to take them in and repurpose them. I just used an old build i kept around and gave it to my younger brother to have an entry level pc. The specs were an asus prebuilt with an nvidia 1060 6GB and a veeeeery old intel i5 (forgot the exact name) but when he upgrades parts of that build, im going to take THOSE parts and put them together in a new case for my dad so he can use it as a slightly beefy office build + capable of doing some light gaming if he (or my even younger brother) take an interest. Its teaching me a lot on the side as well, i love doing this
Buying older high end hardware always beats buying the new lower end stuff. Edit: Just for an example, I still use my GTX 1080ti to this day. For a card that came out in 2017 it's a beast. Even beating my RTX 3060 at some points.
My main system is still running on an old Asus Z87K motherboard with a mildly overclocked i7-4790K and I still manage a minimum of 60FPS in every game I've ever played. That's far and beyond the capability of some of this low end stuff that still comes out today if you try to go dirt cheap
i got xeon e5 2650 v2 for cheap dirt price and it works fine, the problem is i got gpu bottleneck since my cpu is only working for 20/30% my gpu is gtx 970 btw@@NoName5589
@keepmovingforward5576 If they're similar in price I'd actually say 4070Ti cause it crushes the 3090. You'd be better off saving for a 4080 though cause price to performance and all that.
I think it's worth mentioning that a Steam Deck is also a viable option at this price point. A refurbished 500gb LCD model from Valve goes for £300 with a 1 year warranty. Of course, you can use a desktop for more than just gaming, having SteamOS comes with many caveats, Deck is impossible to upgrade, and many popular multiplayer games have linux-unfriendly anti-cheat. Still, it's been my main gaming device for over a year and a half and I couldn't be happier. Not to mention many game devs optimise their games for the Steam Deck, and several even work with Valve directly to bring support (Spider-Man Remastered, Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate 3, Armored Core VI, Cyberpunk 2077, etc.)
It is an alright option, you can even use it permanently connected to a USB C dock if all you want is a desktop. I now use an ROG Ally as my only gaming PC. You just have to be fine with playing games at 720p, which to me personally, 720p and using RSR to upscale to 1080p isn't too bad, as just someone who very casually plays some indie games.
'20 MB/s, thats atrocious', meanwhile me at 4MB/s (bottlenecked by my provider, i pay for atleast double that, and no way in hell they gnna install fiber within 10 yrs from now)
I know the pain. I was at 1.5Mbps download from the provider for many years. Within the past few years I finally was able to get 15 down 1 upload but I never reach that. 12Mbps down and 750Kbps up is about what I can usually expect
I dunno guys, I never lived with such slow internet, so I would probably rather give up on it than to put up with something that slow. Or maybe you could make use of an unlimited mobile data plan?
For me the "slowest" case would be the one that increases the thermals the most and ideally causes throttling, which given the case market probably is quite achievable
The low-end market has pretty much been left in the dust since the gpu shortage, every company seems to have concluded to not improve the budget market because forcing everyone to spend more means more money for them. At least the used market is a thing again
I mean is that not a valid reason? This videos whole point was to show that low-end stuff is pointless. You're not gonna be happy with it. If the only thing on the market is mid to high end, eventually the used market will be full of older mid to high end, like the 1080. It's still a very valid card. Low end for a gaming setup is pointless.
used market is good for everyone. -good for manufacturer since they don't need to produce low margin product and giving low end segment to last gen product -good for seller when they decided to upgrade, their old equipment doesn't become e-waste -good for buyer because they get product at lower cost -good for environment
@@kuekejuu5057 It's bad for manufacturer because it lowers the demand for their product and for the seller because of lower margins on older stock. Truest me, if NVidia/AMD/intel could make their products literally implode when warranty ends without backlash, they would do it.
@@billy101456 we had Windows 7 into 2021. XP into 2017. They had netbooks until at least 2017. I know one of the IT guys there and they still had an XP machine unknowingly in service until a few months ago.
Ikr? It reminds me of my old desktop, and my daily routine: Power it on just entering the house, leaving it loading while I was doing the usual stuff (storing everything, changing clothes, bathroom break) just to not die of starvation watching it load 😂
I've ran windows 11 from an HDD before. It was fine for the most part, it actually runs better than 10 on that sort of drive. I'm still using that same HDD as secondary storage even now though the OS is now installed on an nvme ssd. It's actually very reliable.
I guess this goes to show how software has been getting bigger in size while being slower for no particular reason. Back in the day, you could still use HDDs without having to wait for every single operation.
The function of $oftware & OS 'upgrades' is 2 wa$te re$ources 2 trick cu$tomers into buying more $tuff. iStill run mainly XP & no need 2 switch. Plays 4K video & all that jazz, & U only need 5 processes running, not 18,000 like Windoze 10 or whatever LOL
@@Deathrape-if4kl Can tell you're chatting complete bullshit. There's no way any XP compatible software is playing 4K video, never mind the garbage hardware you'd probably be using.
I mean, I get that there's some extra security and what not, but let's be honest, most of that bloat is to collect sellable user data, to run a buncho software you didn't ask for, and also just because if they focused on optimising it they couldn't release as fast and it would cost more money. I mean, for crying out loud I can't even stop unwanted third party software from opening through task scheduler because in 11 it's just as impotent for background processes as task manager. But of course, they get away with this due to the raw power of modern PCs. Back in the day when anything with a giga by it was just a fewer dream you couldn't bloat an OS with endless garbage because it would run exactly like the PC I'm the video, worse even, but nowadays what does it matter whether you boot in 4 or 5 seconds, no-one will really notice the difference so the devs get lazy and just let the modern hardware chew through it.
7:15 HEY! You’re kind of right but wrong, the problem with windows vista was just that it released in the days of when people would’ve been upgrading from their windows 98 or XP PC
Just made a used PC from an Optiplex 3050, i5-7500 and GTX 1660 S, all for 200 euros, it's amazing. And the process of finding deals was fun actually, I even found a platinum V1200 power supply from CoolerMaster for 50 euros. I love the used market!
Fair warning for those going this route: 7th gen Intel and older, with few exceptions, is not supported by Windows 11. Of course Linux will still work.
fr bro i built a new pc recently for 320$ dollars, ryzen 5 2600 for 40$ gigabyte rx 5700 xt for 125$ and 16 gb off ddr4, oh and a msi x470 for 75$ used market but it was brand new in the box
Slowest PC would have been useable with a sata ssd, and dual channel (2x4GB) RAM, and the cost difference would be miniscule. I would have liked to see how much faster it would be with those upgrades mentioned.
yea thing can only process to apps running at once, so its constantly jumping. that four thread cpu they talked about at the start would've made the system, well, basically double the response time. it wouldn't of really gotten things done too much faster, but it would've made at least interacting with the thing a bit more tolerable.
Yeah I made a similar comment, this really is a vid about the slowest PC, not the most cost efficient. For 380$ you can make something 10x faster, but it's not really the point of the video. You can make a computer with a ryzen 5 4600G, 8gb ram and an SSD for 380$...
Yeah, they are exacerbating the truth because the goal of the video is to warn people about buying the cheapest new parts instead of getting used old workstation and GPU.
I got a Dell XPS Sandy Bridge (i7-6700) at a yard sale for $40. A GTX 1060 for IIRC $25 at another yard sale, a RAM upgrade, and replacing the drives the prior owner wisely yeeted made this machine a beast that can run everything I play at 1080p60 Medium. Get out there. You might not even need to go to online marketplaces to get a dang good deal. - PC: $40, RAM: Okay, I splurged and gave it my $90 set, SSD: ~gift, hard drive: ripout from another yard sale PC, $30 plus another PC, GPU: ~$25 IIRC. I could have done better on the memory upgrade, or even kept the single-channel kit that was in it. While I'm currently using my nice EVGA peripherals and 8bitdo controller, my monitor and speakers are ALSO yard sale.
I think it's worth remembering that their 'slowest' system was a completely custom build, not from an OEM. In other words, no one is trying to sell a new system with those particular specs.
True, basically any prebuilt pc will be better, but I think the point was to say why are they even selling these parts when windows can barely run on them
@@MidwestmintBecause not everything runs on Windows and not every part is meant to go with the others. For example, no one in their right mind would use an HDD as a boot drive, they're still cheap mass storage however. Realistically, once you replace the HDD, you have a fine web browser system. With an i3 or i5, you can actually do some work on it.
20MBps really isn't that atrocious for download speed. I mean, it's not fast, but many many people run internet plans at that speed just fine. I was happy to upgrade to a faster one when I moved but it served me well.
@@fostena Yeah, that's slow as hell, insane that it even exists still - you'd probably get a better connection in the woods on top. I'm stuck with 25MBps here. And that solely due to the fact that they gracefully gave access to it after upgrading half the city to 1GBps a few years ago with the plan to hopefully upgrade to 1GBps to everyone within the next 2 years from now. And they also give a really, really fair pricing with only charging 80% of the 1gigs price for 250k as the cheapest option, if you want to you can have less - at only 75% the price for 100k and 70% of the price for a 50k connection.... So to anyone who actively uses their internet and needs speed it's either getting the 250k and getting ripped off and to anyone else who either doesn't need that much or doesn't use it that often it's getting ripped off even more one way or the other.
@@fostenayeah, my win8 laptop(3120m) only manages around 25mbps locally, whereas my ubuntu(3110m) one manages about 100~, well the weird thing is my pc has a 9900kf yet its still only getting 6mbps..
Not even just M$, but gaming as a whole, so many games on console still having pop-in despite the console manufacturers forcing SSDs on us. The worst thing is when M$ forces you to use an SSD for games that would work perfectly on a HDD or even worked before on a HDD.
I'm watching this with the Intel Celeron G5900T. I got the motherboard free, and got the CPU for $19 used. It does everything I need, and requires no cleaning of fans because I removed the fans. It uses barely any power, and is somewhat snappy feeling. I like using mine for light work loads, like watching videos, social media, and very small video editing tasks.
Throwback to when 5 minutes to boot into windows was common... Also when I was a teenager, my download speeds on my parents' internet averaged at most around 280 Kb/s (despite them paying for 20 Mb/s, which did eventually get fixed... sort of). Downloading games sometimes could take over a day...
Ahh, the days of letting a 3 minute video load over dinner. Or watching a full screen image take a minute (or three) to load in. How I wish I could never go back. And, I remember when my mom sprung for the fancy 12MB/s for her online schooling and teleconferencing for work. 😍
My work computer purchased from Dell with the explicit use case of running Autodesk Inventor (3D Modeling Software) was purchased brand new with a GTX 730 in it.... The graphics driver support being discontinued gave me enough reasoning to go to my boss and he allowed me to pick out my new computer WITHOUT corporate intervention. Amazing these legacy components can still be put in 'new' pre-builds is wild.
Great lessons here - I went through a similar experience with entry level sim racing stuff, used stuff is good (don't ignore), some things are more expensive because they are literally good, don't overpay for entry level stuff.
That aint nothing compared to a laptop I helped to fix the other day. My friend's parents' budget laptop from 2015 had some issues booting into Windows, nothing major, I got it sorted out quite fast. But boy the darn thing is slow! I legit was staring at the login screen for over 10min to get to desktop😴
Working in a shop I constantly have to explain to customers that NEW does not equal FAST. People bring in brand new cheap laptops with Celerons and minimal non upgradable storage that are straight up trash, when the old laptop they are upgrading from, like a 6th gen i5, are orders of magnitude more usable.
While I never do used pc components I do keep old ones, then I give them to family/friend/coworkers who might need them and are usually better than what they currently have.. When I upgrade/build a new pc and have it up and running and tested out then I offload the old one..Much luv from Tokyo,Japan.
How much quicker would that PC have been with 8GB instead of 4GB? The broader point is correct, but I suspect this was the most significant pain point in the build and cheap to address.
I remember a couple of years ago a friend said that his pc did problems for him so he upgraded from 2gb to 4gb of ram. I was absolutely shocked that windows even managed to run on 2gb of ram. I at the time wanted to run Minecraft faster so I upgraded from 8gb to 16gb, btw I actually didn’t know that Minecraft had a 2gb limit if you don’t change it in command. Noticed it only after I upgraded and it still ran the same.
Would have been interesting to see them upgrade each post in the slow machine, one "tier" at a time to find what the low budget limit is for a serviceable machine and how much difference each upgrade makes per dollar.
You should compare that system to one of the mini PCs you can buy for about the same price - like a BeeLink, MinisForum, etc - any number of decent and cheap options all in for less than $380. They all use laptop parts but they would run cycles around this thing - even fine for casual gaming (30fps at 1080p on low settings). Or, consider comparing this system to a decent "value" system with good parts for the same cost (or less) - really showing the difference in picking up the right parts for your budget.
Definitely. The power supply and ATX case are such large fixed costs that you can't get good value in terms of price/performance when you go for the absolute lowest end parts.
@@kristinnkristinsson1369 Another example is the use of DDR3. Often times, older tech isn't cheaper because it is no longer mass produced, and it can even become _more_ expensive the older it is.
To be fair: The 500GB WD Blue HDD were slow in 2013, compared to a normal HDD with 7200 rpm. We had 120 PC's delivered with them. And they are astrocious Slow on 8GB Systems and Win 7 with i5 4570. After Sata SSD upgrade they were completly different Machines. Interstingly we have exactly those Acer Aspire around, today i was upgrading some with their 128GB Sata SSD to 500GB, as those were dying. Great little Machines, we got them upgraded to 16GB now 500GB Sata together with the 8400 they are realy great and will live on a long time at school. Best part: Generic Parts. PSU is standard biggest Problem with Prebuild and Office Builds are the PSU, ATX, SFX or TFX Systems are great bud sadly lot of manufacturers have non standard PSU and connectors inside.
Even running Windows 7 on a 5000 rpm isn't the best - I don't see how their slow build was compatible with windows 10/11 because Microsoft definitely doesn't recommend or suggest running those on a hard disk at all.
The CPU is the least of your problems. You have insufficient RAM and you’re swapping to spinning rust. Spend another $15 to double your RAM and upgrade to an SSD for a $30 premium and you’d have a perfectly usable machine.
Exactly, the reason the first pc didnt even function properly was the 4 gigs of ram, its just not enough for even windows anymore. That being said it was still garbage for the price.
@@xflyinglizardx I agree. Celerons where good for Web browsing and solitaire 10 years ago. These days they are so weak that they can barely be used for anything else than notepad scribling if you are willing to wait 5 minutes for notepad to load. Even Intels new E-Cores are more powerfull than a Celeron.
The big issue is nobody optimizes their programs anymore. It's amazing what an indie game dev on a not horribly bloated system with that setup could do.
I use an i7-3770 with a 1050TI as my main setup, 240gb ssd, 2x 500gb 7200 rpm hdd for storage, 4x 4gb at 1600mhz, sure not great but without any money theres nothing better to get and a lot of stuff is still running, and the only thing I had to actually pay for was the 1050 TI which was 30 bucks, everything else was scrap parts I got either for free or got from places I worked at, else I'd have probably planned to go with a 1650 if the friend didnt offer me the 1050 ti. Always have to lower the settings but as someone who grew up with only outdated hardware and as someone who isn't too much into gaming (especially not the modern gaming), this build is fine, I am basically used to playing on PS2 and Nintendo DS so something like 1600 x 900 on medium settings and 30 FPS looks fine to me already (on more modern games) you can think whatever you want about me or call me out for anything but while I am not "happy" about this setup it also isn't anything I can complain about, especially considering it cost 30 bucks for me get, just because its old it doesnt mean its bad, I love using old stuff, especially if it still works just fine. The high end standard many people see and aim for is such a negative result of society saying you need it and making you want it to not feel bad, but honestly, as long as YOU like the setup you're using and it works for you, be happy with it, no matter if its 100 bucks or 2000 bucks, as long as its fun, its good! Also, a little tip, if you want to get a deal by taking older hardware, make sure theyre still compatible with stuff you wanna use, my cpu as an example doesnt have AVX2 which some modern games want you to have, I had to sacrifice ability to play one game when I gave away my laptop with a Ryzen 5 3550H/rx560x to then use the i7-3770/1050 ti combo
I run the 1050Ti with a i3-10100F and I have no issues, I can play RDR2 on high settings while getting 50-60 fps which is absolutely great for me. Everything else for every day use runs smooth af. I might upgrade the card someday but it can handle everything I care about just fine.
@@RicardoMontania I now passed on my 1050 Ti to my brother and bought an RX 580, its performing way better, I am gonna miss the opportunity to use my GPU for AI stuff tho
For comparison, three months ago I bought a used HP Z840 for $340 (shipped) that came with: XEON E5-2667 V4 MSI GTS 1080 32gb DDR4 1150w Power Supply 1TB SSD DVD R/W drive Win 11 64 bit (registered)
Yeah iGot a dozen Dell Precision T5810 'super computers' off Craigslist for $100 grand total (less than $10 each, delivered =) & iAm going 2 'mirror' up with XP because my main 'street junk' (but fast enough) old 'Benecia' HP (Asus mobo) trash is 'dying' = but may fix with the usual 'reconnect everything & swap the RAM' trik =) It's about the same speed as an even older Dell Precision T5400 iHav & am on right now in the kitchen as iType this = plays 4K video & all that stuff 2. The whole 'gamer thing' is so lame. iHave no interest in 'computer graphics games' because any random 'movie' or other 'feature' is E Z 2 find online & don't have 2 jump through hoops 2 C the next 'scene' =) Would much rather play virtual pinball games than N E of that plasticky-looking bull$hit 'fake world' $tuff. Like everybody talks about 'Cyberpunk' = so we can go C 'virtual fat ugly brown trannies'? LOL!! What a total waste of $$$ =))
@@itIsI988No you don't. The difference in price between would save you around $10 a year in the US. The air conditioner and heater is what drives your electric bill, not your CPU.
"if it hasn't failed in 6 years it probably wont fail" A good tenet for solid state parts that are locked from overclocking. Also, needs an explainer for what a "bathtub curve" is :). (where failures occur either immediately, or after a long time, but little or none in between)
The GPU at 12:21 aint the same one as whats in the machine, the GPU in the machine is an Nvidia/Founders style card. How much price difference is that card to the one shown in the screenshot?
6:17 damn, might as well pick up a book and start reading at this point lol. You could probably read an entire Light Novel volume and still be waiting 🤣
Windows minimum requirements. The hard drive was a mistake, but another big mistake was just having 4GB of RAM. Windows will boot with that much installed but it will not like it, as you can see. I had a laptop with a similar spec. AMD A6-6310, 500GB HDD 4GB DDR3... it was stupid slow. When i added more RAM it made a HUGE difference since it wasnt using disk swap on a 5400 RPM HDD. A SSD will also speed things up too. That 2 core 2 thread CPU definitely doesnt help anything for sure. But when i took my uncles old PC with an athilon II X2 255 (2 core 2 thread) system with 3GB of DDR2 and a 500GB 5400 RPM HDD... and gave it 16GB of RAM and a SSD, it booted up in far less time. though it wasnt like you were going to play any games. I also slapped a gtx 750ti in it, that i got used. Made the system bearable for a while. Ended up snagging an i7-8700 CPU and a motherboard + cooler to boot for basically nothing and ran with that. The fact that you can still buy a 2 core CPU these days brand new is wild. Microsoft stating windows only needs 4GB of RAM is also ridiculous. In order to have a decent experience you need a minimum of 8 but id personally recommend 16 for daily use. The OS will cache a lot of files and utilize it.
12:23 that does not look like the GPU you used in the build? im a bit confused, yours looks like an NVIDIA FE and is clearly not the card you showed in the screen shot...
LTT has a huge inventory They just find the equivalent component in their warehouse, no need to buy it again. This also adds a lot of speed for them to make this video: come up with the idea, search for the components online, make the equivalent vid, all in a day.
I was using dual core Pentium E (LGA 775) and HDD until Windows 8.1 and it was performing fine. Windows relied heavily on SSD since Windows 10. Any PC without it was significantly lagged and I guess Microsoft just assumed everyone was able to get one of them back then. (I mean, it's not expensive, but still did not appealing in terms of the price couple years ago)
This past black friday sales time, I bought a miniPC for like $300 before tax (like $330 after tax, USD) that has an AMD 5800H mobile apu (8 cores, 16 threads, I think 8 compute units of graphics), 32gb ram, a 500 gb ssd, hdmi and displayport and usb-c for (it says) up to 3 displays out. and it was new! bought from Amazon. I wiped Windows and put MX Linux on it. Look at AMD 5800H and 5700U mobile APU mini PC's. If somebody was gonna use Windows, I'd say get one with 32gb ram (less ram for a new computer is silly, especially at the price difference. Better to have and and not wish later you had gotten more when you could've. Even if you don't need it today, you'll be glad you got the little bit of extra ram before the end of the computer's useful life) and 1tb ssd. I think the brand I got was trigkey
Not so much ago i bought a ryzen 5675u mini pc with 16gb of ddr4, 500gb and a windows license for just 300€. Its brand new and actually capable of running some games... my parents use it as a browsing machine and its perfect
I think you can get ddr3 dirt cheap by now . He'll you might get some free dumsterdiving e waste . A bit more ram + brand new ssd would work fine for web
Just 4gb more ram and a cheap 128gb ssd to boot and install application would work just fine. I have a i3 4005u laptop has max speed is 1.6ghz and it run fine even for window 11, and good to use on ubuntu. Can play old games pretty old like skyrim or crysis say at 20-45 fps.
@@44Jess453 my point is that my cpu is significantly better than the one in the video, it's just old. I think it was the flagship model when it came out.
I paid 300 bucks for a used 6800 before the 7 thousand series was released. Best time to upgrade is when the new products launch and buy them on eBay. I only buy from people that have original boxes though. Pretty much ensures the protection of the device during shipping.
This reminds me of how I have friends who will spend 20k+ on a brand new base model car, rather than spend half of that for a used car that has twice the luxury features.
My pc is inherited from an office worker. They built it back in 2016. I5-7400 1TB HDD with 90% Health 8+4GB Memory, albeit mixed match brand, speed, and timing. I spared some around US$150 to get a new much more reliable PSU(MSI MAG A550BN), 480GB SATA SSD(MSI Spatium S270), and a second-hand GTX 1050ti. And it has been amazing for what im using it for, mainly playing Genshin Impact @ highest graphic setting and watching 1080p RUclips video. I hope it lasts for atleast another 5 years because $150 is a lot of money here :d
The main issue here was getting it to run off of the WD500gb Blue without giving it a buddy to handle the operating system. As someone who likes using HDDs in this day and age, I'll say the WD500gb is probably the most reliable on the market tied with the WD Green line of HDDs and is a solid work horse (it wouldn't handle PS5 stuff but can run PS3/360 era content) but it was always going to struggle with having it's abilities split between running the OS, Steam and a game. If you'd like to try a more efficient set up, use an SSD exclusively for the OS, an SSD to run things like PS5 ports and a large capacity WD Black HDD for everything prior to the PS5.
I'd love to see the "slowest" brand new PC but with 1 "fastest" component, e.g. all the same components, but with a 4090, or an i9, or 64GB of DDR5 RAM, a top MOBO, etc and see which has the biggest improvement
I literally built 50 dollars (pc with "2009's high end pc components" and it is like completely usable for cs2 and many games with low system requirements. I can even play gta 5 at high settings. Specs: Asus P5Q Deluxe Xeon e5440 overclocked to 3.8GHZ 4x 2GB ddr2 800MHZ hyperx rams Crucial Bx500 GTX 750 2GB (modded bios with Ti edition frequency values)
Linus's download speeds are faster than my ssd's write speed of 5gb/s, if I was there I would have to limit the download speed to stop it from slowing my computer down
Fun fact: In Mexico, some retail stores rip off techonologically analphabet people by selling Celeron laptops with 4GB ram for around 6k to 8k Mexican pesos ($300-500USD). I wish these practices stop but yeah, people do buy these.
I have a used OptiPlex that I got for free with similar specs to your used upgrade, and all I had to do was slap in an RX550 and a 1TB SSD and it’s a crazy good performer. Easily mid-range, which really surprised me. I have a top-of-the-line PC now, but that PC was actually quite impressive.
Opera GX ain’t your granpappy’s web browser. So check them out here: operagx.gg/LinusTechTips
39sec :D
opera ? oh no
Finally I can have Chinese malware in my Chromium-based browser!
ok
I'll stick to IE6 thanks
I remember back in 2010, when I was still working as an IT admin, it was the big SSD transition period alongside the Velociraptor, which had been around for a few years.
The receptionist and the HR department got new machines... with SSDs...
They complained to the IT dept. that their computer was too fast, so they where not able to "get my coffee and talk to each other" anymore.🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
That's the only reason to get to work early. Boot up your system, go get some coffee, have a doughnut and by the time 8:00 rolls around, it's ready to log in and start work.
Most businesses would keep the computers on
There is a company I knew that just hired new people instead of updating their slow machines.
Get to work Sally!
Based, now that's the mindset I like to witness more and more.
It's crazy how "newest and slowest" PCs are essentially e-waste when compared to second-hand units. Really makes you question the value of buying brand new.
Wow! It’s almost like we watched the same video 😂
@@w3therby I will remove my comment and you should too. I don't know why I reacted on a generated comment.
Keep in mind they went out of their way to find the "slowest" parts for the money - you can build or buy new systems for a similar cost that perform much better - for example, I got a BeeLink mini PC for half the cost and it performs so much better. I use it as a Minecraft server for my kids and it works just fine for that purpose - even running it through virtualization.
Rightfully so.
- a broke hardware enthusiast
It's crazy how he skipped the boot sequence the motherboard loading and didn't even show the beginning of Windows loading for the second PC. That's crazy
Remember the Windows 10 minimum spec that said 32GB of storage, leading to a slew of $200 tablet computers with exactly 32GB of eMMC storage that then couldn't update anymore because Windows actually needed more like 48GB just to download and temporarily store update files until it could actually apply the updates on reboot?
Same happened with Androids as well. I got an 8gb over 16gb version. By the time I trashed by phone the OS took up something like almost 7gb. The distaste left in my mouth was so bad I went to Apple. Of course there were other problems as well not just this.
@@HHalcyonthat wasn’t an android problem, that was a „you are cheap“ problem. It’s like comparing a mac to this and then deciding mac wins, ignoring price and everything 🤦♂️
@@erebostd You missed my point. As a customer I was expecting not to get ripped off. Of course I cannot compare those two products one-to-one.
@@erebostd no, that was a "we make a 8 GB phone, but we will still fill it with adware to make money twice" problem. With a custom rom, you suddenly had enough storage for normal use.
@@HHalcyon the point is apple sells hardware & software. The best analogy would be google. Get a google phone - basically any google phone - and you’ll receive a good device with long time support and features apple users can’t even dream about having (i‘m typing this on an iPad pro, i see it every day). The beauty of android is that you get a device for everybody in nearly every price range. There’s even a place for the low tear phones you had. Special use cases, but they are there. Switching to Apple because this one, cheap device didn’t fulfill the expectations is quite a reaction. Apple has (or better had) it’s big selling points, but in a world where the cheapest new phone is 529 bucks (the old iPhone se 2. generation) and the top device is nearly 2k while having massive problems in hardware and software…i feel apple lost the last bit of the stuff it was „different“. I think every device Apple sells is better than a cheap android device. But as soon as you go to the same price level where apple starts, you reached mid range android. Pixels start around 400 bucks, depending where you live. A oneplus 12r as an example costs as much as the cheapest iPhone (again, new prices in official stores, slight differences possible) and it blows the SE out of the water. And it has 5 years of updates guaranteed. Just to name a few 😉
Hearing "20MB a second, that's atrocious" when I normally get 12MB/s physically hurt me
well to be fair their wifi is so good they can use download speed as an indicator of CPU and storage speed 😭😭
brother. I get 6 at best.
My family have 50 mbps internet which should be 6 MBps, even if i alone in the house i barely get 6 MBps due to piece of 💩 router
Yal are spoiled, I get 400kbs
@@sHinobu2969 still, 20 MBPS is too slow for a cpu limitation , 20 MBPS is like 160 mbps which is not even 25% of a gigabit internet.
8:05 "We're looking at 20MB/S, that's atrocious!"
Me in Australia: "Haha.. yeah..."
AUSTRALIA MENTIONED RAAAAHHH WTF IS REASONABLE WEATHER PATTERNS
bruhhhh i straightup came to comment section for this reason.... is it america or is linus' office just really good intrnet
@@nadavgozlan1328 Linus lives and works in the Greater Vancouver area of Canada, so their internet speed is extremely good. He also has spent good money on making sure the connections throughout his buildings are top notch. Edit: Spelling
FR, i get 6mbs a sec.
I mean... 160Mbps is a pretty insane internet speed, regardless of where you are.
HDD is slow but that 4GB ram is the culprit for the whole system being super slow.
Fr. I think all of that is used by windows 11
4gb was making the OS hit pagefile instantly which just further shows why you should not install OS's on hard drives
yes 16gb would probably make this thing more snappy it would not be that big of a difference because 2 non HT cores are E-waste and will struggle with OS alone
if anything this is a good showing on why you should think a bit when looking to build a setup where slower 2 8gb sticks are actually better than a faster single 16gb stick of RAM
another thing is windows by default these days has RAM compression enabled (known as SysMain in services) which will hammer CPU to save space and if you were to disable that you can gain some performance back
so yeah; don't buy modern low end and go buy yourself a last gen mid range or even older high end because used market is actually full of solid deals as long as you have patience
It's probably just the CPU. RAM and HDD alone (or together) isn't making it that slow.
Yeah even on a lightweight 64bit Linux distro install 4GB is barely enough, I don't even want to think about trying this on Win 10, or Win 11. 😵
It’s probably both. I used similar specs pc a while back and found out that if you have either SSD or 8G of RAM windows is at least useable. I have a pentium machine with HDD but 12g of RAM and a mba with 4g of ram and SSD running windows, they are not fast, but basic web browsing is fine
Beard Linus jumpscare
He's way more handsome with the beard ngl
@@defenestratorrsimp
Last video he was bald?!
Fr lol
*screeches in your face*
I bought a used PC from an office sale in 2011 with a Core 2 Quad. It was about 4 years old when I bought it, and I got a staggering amount of use out of it. To this day one of the best purchases I've made thanks to that company going out of business. Amazing Craigslist find.
Core 2 quad is a legendary cpu, the thing just kept going and going.
I had a Celeron. It struggled on ChromeOS. The iGPU was at 100% just opening a new tab.
Worst CPUs ever. They are literal eWaste.
Lol 😂
I am the only one who's still using Quadro 600
Celerons should be targeted to the embedded market.
Which Celeron? Even the N22 with a 3060 manages to be fine enough.
Fun fact, the transistors in a cpu can, and in most cases should, last up to 30 years.
In completely controlled lab conditions, sure.
Reality is way, way more complicated.
Still an incredibly impressive lifespan all things considered, they'll last far beyond the hardware's relevance @@chrisbaker8533
Only 30 years? Is that under full load? I don't think they're going to go bad that fast under normal use.
@@randomblock1_depends on the cpu. any high power one will never reach it. it's not 1995 anymore.
So I shoudn't throw away my ryzen 9 7900x and upgrade when the next gen arrives?
8:05 I've been trying to choose between a Celeron and a chilled 96-core Threadripper, this helps a lot!
buy my phones CPU I'll take 50c
I would recommend the 96-core Threadripper if you want a more budget build.
hard choice, like the gt210 vs rtx4090
@@epicgamer66941 clearly you've never enjoyed the sheer performance of an 8400 GS
@@tyttuut What about a riva 128 now that's performance
My first computer was a dell laptop ordered from their catalog in about 2003. It proudly wore the tag "intel celeron inside". I laughed when you showed the "slowest" chip's specs (2 core 3.5 Ghz). Mine had 512mhz and 256mg's of RAM. I still played CS on it, albeit with some major issues.
512 millihertz and 256 milligrams of RAM?
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@@tyttuutWell played🏆
@@tyttuut lol touché my friend. That’s 0.00903 oz of the good shit. RAM
you mean cs 1.6 on windows xp?
1.4ghz celeron laptop, I still have one here.
Something to note, these OEM machines very often use proprietary connectors and parts, swapping out the PSU might need special motherboard adapters and sometimes even a GPU might not physically fit
And those adapters are available for a whole lot of Dell, HP, Acer, and Lenovo desktop motherboards. Yeah, you probably have to wait a couple weeks for the adapter to arrive from China. As for the GPU not fitting in the case, Harbor Freight sells angle grinders.
That's one thing, i got myself a old SFF hp office desktop and well it's not really upgradable, no psu upgrade due to SFF and it can't fit most of the parts due to lack of connectors in the psu .
Good point, someone could always get a GTX 1650 not exactly a great GPU but powered off the PCIe no need for power adapter and is tiny so would fit even in a small OEM case.
@@littlemeg137Always a great idea to use a random adapter self-imported. That way insurance pays you and you pay the insurance company if it starts a fire.
Hey, another Latios fan! It’s rare to see them in the wild.
My home internet is 3MB/S, to hear someone say 20 is unacceptable, and that it is hardware limited, is so depressing.
I agree, totally out of touch... Myself personally get 200 MB/sec but my friends in the outlining country get maybe your speed
@@them3atstick753 To be honest, I think he was talking about the CPU/hard drive only being capable of 20 MB/S, which is for sure unacceptable. But I thought it was funny. And yeah, I live in the countryside, the best internet package I can get is 4MB/S (for double the price).
@@them3atstick753 He has (don't remember how many) gpbs net so in that context 20 mbps is unacceptable, it has nothing to do with other people's internet speed
Mine is 135Mbps (about 17MB/s)
I remember still downloading in KB/s not that long ago, with around 10mbps! Seeing download speeds in megabytes per second felt absolutely crazy to me, I'd have killed for 3 MB/s back then, and that was only a few years ago!
Y'know, people say Linus is out of touch. But he still got sticker shock at $320. He has no reason to blink at that number, but he knows that it's unreasonable for that computer, because he does stay in touch with actual value to real consumers.
What I don't think helps with a lot of the people claiming linuses out of touch, is they don't seem to understand the difference between price to performance and price. Something can be very expensive but not be overpriced because you're building a PC to compete with the Mac pro on price and just seeing how much better it is. But a $300 system built with new components that is practically speaking incapable of running a modern operating system is simply unacceptable
@@the_undeadI wish they tested with an ssd that cost the same as the hdd to remove the hdd as the bottleneck
@@aaronmarchbanks5394 the objective was to make the slowest PC not the cheapest PC That is still effective, also, I don't know if you can get an SSD at the same price as that HDD
@@aaronmarchbanks5394 As linus mentioned in the video, that loading wasn't just the fault of the hard drive. That cpu wasn't helping at all.
@@the_undead well I know I have no income and I trust ltt to help me know what's in my budget when I have one
8:05 "20mb's a second, thats atrocious" while im running on 4 and thinking its pretty decent...
He meant 20MBps on a 10gbps network is atrocious. Not that 20MBps itself is atrocious.
Wow, Linus' beard grew back so fast!
yeah, almost like its old footage or something
@@blue-spy-j4g almost like it's a fucking joke
@@blue-spy-j4g learn the definition of a joke brother
should have made a reshoot with beardless linus waiting for the windows to load rofl
I wonder what he uses for his face care procedures, it was fast
Never thought that I would see a "New PC" that is slower than my i3 4005u laptop
Atlteast with ssd and lot of ram that thing should be fine for basic task . My old brother laptop that have been sold last year was completely unusable despite having core i5 8250u, cuz it still use hdd as boot drive
I had something similar just until last year. it was 2nd hand i3-2130, it had more ram than u could need, a similar hard drive, and it was just like this... forever loading, I couldn't take it anymore. it even had the same 1030 gt!
I since upgraded to another mobo that supports i7-7700, with nvme drive. and a 1650 low profile card. now I have windows 11!
You got dell Inspiron 15?
Laptops are always ever marching forward in tech
The form factor dominate the windows and mac space
Normie tech users will prioritize laptops when shopping for a windows laptop due to portability
and because they are well integrated, if one irraplacable component dies, it usually takes the rest of the system with it.
First party service centers often screw up their customers' critical repairs,
and most laptop users rarely put the effort to look for actually reliable repair shops,
since they are in a sea of sketchy ones.
This explains why the average steam PC never goes slower (except the GPU)
like, 6 cores is the most common CPU with 2.5 Ghz clock speed???
Why is the 1650 the most common GPU? last I checked, no one buys this card
because laptops have this as the bare minimum.
wait, how did I find someone with the exact same CPU of my 2nd worse laptop on a channel like this? (the worst being a Pentium T3400 I got for free, and the best being an i7 4510U I also got for free)
i had a pc up on marketplace with a 1080ti and i7700k cpu. plenty of power despite being old parts, but i couldn't get more than $400 for it. had to drop the price so many times and someone finally took it. i wish i could have sent this video to all the idiots that didn't buy my computer
I'm still using my 1080ti and 8700k till they die. Parts so expensive I gotta get the max lifespan, lol.
Dude! I'm in this EXACT situation. I mean exactly. It's currently at $300 and I still have no takers! The GPU alone should be worth that! I don't know what people's aversion is to older stuff. So annoying.
a 7 year old 1080ti is about the same as a brand new 3060. crazy good deal
@@Call_Me_Pickle last month i bought 3070ti for 300. Soooo i don't know about 1080ti.
@@Call_Me_Pickle I dont know whether thats like an NA Thing, but here in Germany I had to camp listings for many weeks to even get a good deal. Most people sell their old stuff for like 50 bucks less than when they bought it originally 5 years ago. Maybe move here and I buy all you stuff? xd
09:49 - Reminded me of that old joke, where the task manager froze up, so he brought up another task manager to close it.
20 mega per second is twice as fast as MOST people outside big cities get on download anyway...
in the US maybe but high speed internet is pretty accessible in Canada. like I don't live in a city and I got 400-500 down.
Yeah my internet downloading steam games is 10-20mbps, it maxes at 30
Starlink has actually changed that, I'm no Elon Stan, actually I can't stand him, but I can't deny when he funds something that is good
The average internet speed in rural areas in the US in 2023 was a bit over 100mbs, last year is when starlink became more readily available
In 2020 it was 40mbs
"20 MB/s... [is] atrocious!" Meanwhile I'm getting 1 MB/s max... Don't you just loooove the USA's privatized ISP monopolies?
I think it depends on where you are. I am not living in a big city in the Netherlands but I still have 1GB up and down
Schools: I'll take your entire stock!
Yeah, but they need to buy new, because of warranty and if they use money from grants, you can't go second hand. It's stupid rule, especially for technology stuff but it's a rule.
@@djmim0But if you’re buying brand new stuff it should at lease be fast.
I would be interested to see the slowest build running Linux and see the difference in responsiveness. Windows 11 is HEAVY.
or windows 10 ltsc
Came to say the same thing, throw some light OS on it. it really shouldn't be that unusable. those specs were more than reasonable a decade or 2 ago.
Windows 10/11 are lighter than Vista and 7.
@@ChaZcaTriXwtf, win 11 lighter than win7??
No, they aren't @@ChaZcaTriX
I'd love to see a video now on different companies warranty process and if they're worth paying the new price for the company warranty
Thanks Linus for giving a shoutout to my pc!
thanks steve! I mean linus!
how the hell did you end up buying anything close to that? Isn't the name "celeron" an immediate red flag and also a GPU with the 2 last digits less than 50? I sold my friend a 160€ PC with an i7 2nd gen and a gtx 960 4gb GPU, complete with a 240GB ssd and a 500GB HDD, I profited like 60€ on that thing + he's complaining that I scammed him, which I might have, a bit... but I do have to profit somehow... how the hell do you even begin to think about buying such shitty parts, it is literally beyond me (I am assuming you know at least a bit about PCs since you're watching Linus, it could have just been your parents that bought it, but if you did, how?)
@@aquss33 how the hell do you not understand that it's a joke
This takes me back to the days when I had a I3 2100, 8gb of ram and a gt740. Those days were only 3 years ago...
Had GT440, I3 2125, 4gb of DDR3. Painful renders and gaming at 720p (Lowest), tweaking settings to get one at medium, 30 fps looked so good. Only 6 years ago.
i still have i3 2100 and gtx 550ti.
The machine was a benchmark in 2012 :D
Today it crushes numbers and compiles kernels haaha
Still rocking i3 3220, GT 610 with 4gigs ram.
@@himanshutripathi7441gt had 1 gb of gddr3 or ddr3, so not that bad.
@@scarry46 good for you.
8:00
the "atrocious" download speed is a "decent" internet connection that costs ~40-50€ a month in germany.....
gotta love the copper line vectoring
good to hear cuz we got fiber here and we get 6-7mbps, my friends get ike 3-4mbps xd
@@RRareGaming I just saw an ad for 25 gbps for $75 in Switzerland. Maybe we get that too in 10-20 years.
i have 2mbps and it costs more
For real, best I can get is 4.5MB/s here were I live (countryside of Austria)
And I have max 14~16MB/s here in the Netherlands.
bought a used Pc lancool mesh 2, 32 gigs vengeance, 5900x, 2070s, 2tb evo, rm1000x, corsair rgb fans, 360mm corsair aio, 800 used. it was built by someone who was totally lost, fans in the wrong spot, AIO sub optimal, ram installed wrong, thing runs amazing now. going to be upgrading this thing for years to come.
Ive only just realised, people say sluggish, but then say a snails pace (never heard 'a slugs pace' or 'snailish') and use snails to visually represent slow speeds, never slugs.
Maybe because slugs are harder to notice or they get mixed up with snails very often
@@W3lol1How? Slugs and snails are very different.
maybe it's because they're referencing 2 different creatures with those 2 different sayings that have been ingrained into english vernacular? Why would they change what's already common speech patterns?
8:07 "20mps that's atrocious"
Me at home that being my peak 😢
me with 7MB/s at peak 🥲
Given the recent video about building a $500 console-beating machine, I'm wondering if in future this is turned into some kind of miniseries or feature video that compared various kinds of "cheap" build, almost Secret Shopper-style though without the customer support angle. Cheapest PC with brand new components, cheapest PC with used components, cheapest PC that matches a console, cheapest PC with new components Linus/someone would feel comfortable recommending to a friend etc. An all-round comparison of different budget build approaches.
nice idea
yeah that'd be nice, give $500 to a non tech savvy lmg member and tell them "do your best"
$500 tech upgrade instead of $5,000 lmao
I would definitely watch that!
When my friends have old pcs, i like to take them in and repurpose them. I just used an old build i kept around and gave it to my younger brother to have an entry level pc.
The specs were an asus prebuilt with an nvidia 1060 6GB and a veeeeery old intel i5 (forgot the exact name) but when he upgrades parts of that build, im going to take THOSE parts and put them together in a new case for my dad so he can use it as a slightly beefy office build + capable of doing some light gaming if he (or my even younger brother) take an interest.
Its teaching me a lot on the side as well, i love doing this
Buying older high end hardware always beats buying the new lower end stuff.
Edit: Just for an example, I still use my GTX 1080ti to this day. For a card that came out in 2017 it's a beast. Even beating my RTX 3060 at some points.
as long as it isnt fried
My main system is still running on an old Asus Z87K motherboard with a mildly overclocked i7-4790K and I still manage a minimum of 60FPS in every game I've ever played. That's far and beyond the capability of some of this low end stuff that still comes out today if you try to go dirt cheap
Serious Question 4070 Ti Super Or 3090 ?
i got xeon e5 2650 v2 for cheap dirt price and it works fine, the problem is i got gpu bottleneck since my cpu is only working for 20/30% my gpu is gtx 970 btw@@NoName5589
@keepmovingforward5576 If they're similar in price I'd actually say 4070Ti cause it crushes the 3090. You'd be better off saving for a 4080 though cause price to performance and all that.
I think it's worth mentioning that a Steam Deck is also a viable option at this price point. A refurbished 500gb LCD model from Valve goes for £300 with a 1 year warranty.
Of course, you can use a desktop for more than just gaming, having SteamOS comes with many caveats, Deck is impossible to upgrade, and many popular multiplayer games have linux-unfriendly anti-cheat. Still, it's been my main gaming device for over a year and a half and I couldn't be happier. Not to mention many game devs optimise their games for the Steam Deck, and several even work with Valve directly to bring support (Spider-Man Remastered, Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate 3, Armored Core VI, Cyberpunk 2077, etc.)
At lowest settings sure.
It is an alright option, you can even use it permanently connected to a USB C dock if all you want is a desktop. I now use an ROG Ally as my only gaming PC. You just have to be fine with playing games at 720p, which to me personally, 720p and using RSR to upscale to 1080p isn't too bad, as just someone who very casually plays some indie games.
'20 MB/s, thats atrocious',
meanwhile me at 4MB/s (bottlenecked by my provider, i pay for atleast double that, and no way in hell they gnna install fiber within 10 yrs from now)
I know, I felt so targeted 😭 We only have one provider out here and I can only reliably get 1MB/s
@@NoName5589saaame bro 1.2MB/s xD
I know the pain. I was at 1.5Mbps download from the provider for many years.
Within the past few years I finally was able to get 15 down 1 upload but I never reach that. 12Mbps down and 750Kbps up is about what I can usually expect
At least you're bottlenecked by your ISP and not your pc 😂
I dunno guys, I never lived with such slow internet, so I would probably rather give up on it than to put up with something that slow. Or maybe you could make use of an unlimited mobile data plan?
For me the "slowest" case would be the one that increases the thermals the most and ideally causes throttling, which given the case market probably is quite achievable
The low-end market has pretty much been left in the dust since the gpu shortage, every company seems to have concluded to not improve the budget market because forcing everyone to spend more means more money for them. At least the used market is a thing again
Hell yes,I don't mind buying used if it's high-end and affordable
I mean is that not a valid reason? This videos whole point was to show that low-end stuff is pointless. You're not gonna be happy with it. If the only thing on the market is mid to high end, eventually the used market will be full of older mid to high end, like the 1080. It's still a very valid card.
Low end for a gaming setup is pointless.
used market is good for everyone.
-good for manufacturer since they don't need to produce low margin product and giving low end segment to last gen product
-good for seller when they decided to upgrade, their old equipment doesn't become e-waste
-good for buyer because they get product at lower cost
-good for environment
@@kuekejuu5057 It's bad for manufacturer because it lowers the demand for their product and for the seller because of lower margins on older stock. Truest me, if NVidia/AMD/intel could make their products literally implode when warranty ends without backlash, they would do it.
You better build a Raspberry Pi system than build a low-end PC
That long loading immediately brought me back to the horribly slow Windows XP/7 school computers of my youth.
My school still had those painfully slow think pads in 2011/2012. Literally took half the class to get booted into ie.
@@billy101456 we had Windows 7 into 2021. XP into 2017. They had netbooks until at least 2017. I know one of the IT guys there and they still had an XP machine unknowingly in service until a few months ago.
Ikr? It reminds me of my old desktop, and my daily routine: Power it on just entering the house, leaving it loading while I was doing the usual stuff (storing everything, changing clothes, bathroom break) just to not die of starvation watching it load 😂
bro computers are still like this in school or even workplaces
@@godpop I would have thought most of those old xp think pads would have died off by now. Even the dells running office 03 ran better
8:12 "20 mb download is atrocious". dude my internet is 12 mb max and I pay $110 USD a month, I would kill for a 20 download.
is the internet in us that expensive omg
Nahh i have 300mb and pay 60
I pay €45 for 1Gbit. Fiber.
And I feel ripped off.
Man oh man.
Lol Australia 80 aud a month for 50mbps down 20 Mbps up linus is spoilt
literally what I was thinking lmao@@davidlp3019
What happened to the Gigabyte GTX 1080 you bought? Because the one that is in the PC when you show it off in the end is a NVidia Founders Edition.
Prob didn’t actually buy the card cause they have them laying around at their office
Didn't Windows 11's minimum requirements at some point specifically point out that the persistent storage needs to be an SSD rather than an HDD?
Windows 10's minimum reqs should be an SSD
But Microsoft couldn't dare to say so at the time
Not this schools IT department.
I've ran windows 11 from an HDD before. It was fine for the most part, it actually runs better than 10 on that sort of drive. I'm still using that same HDD as secondary storage even now though the OS is now installed on an nvme ssd. It's actually very reliable.
It's basically unusable on HDDs for anything other than web browsing, but that didn't stop Dell from shipping Optiplex 7050s with SMR boot drives.
There's new low spec Win11 machines that use eMMC. Not sure exactly what version they use, but I doubt the I/O speed is much better than a hard drive.
I guess this goes to show how software has been getting bigger in size while being slower for no particular reason. Back in the day, you could still use HDDs without having to wait for every single operation.
The function of $oftware & OS 'upgrades' is 2 wa$te re$ources 2 trick cu$tomers into buying more $tuff. iStill run mainly XP & no need 2 switch. Plays 4K video & all that jazz, & U only need 5 processes running, not 18,000 like Windoze 10 or whatever LOL
I always wonder wtf is all those gigabytes used for in Windows, you're just browsing files!
@@Deathrape-if4kl Those are some of the stupidest words I've ever heard
@@Deathrape-if4kl Can tell you're chatting complete bullshit. There's no way any XP compatible software is playing 4K video, never mind the garbage hardware you'd probably be using.
I mean, I get that there's some extra security and what not, but let's be honest, most of that bloat is to collect sellable user data, to run a buncho software you didn't ask for, and also just because if they focused on optimising it they couldn't release as fast and it would cost more money. I mean, for crying out loud I can't even stop unwanted third party software from opening through task scheduler because in 11 it's just as impotent for background processes as task manager. But of course, they get away with this due to the raw power of modern PCs. Back in the day when anything with a giga by it was just a fewer dream you couldn't bloat an OS with endless garbage because it would run exactly like the PC I'm the video, worse even, but nowadays what does it matter whether you boot in 4 or 5 seconds, no-one will really notice the difference so the devs get lazy and just let the modern hardware chew through it.
For the GT 1030 you should've gotten the DDR4 version. I had that one and it couldn't run CS:GO for it's LIFE
Yeah they brag about slowest and then they buy the GDDR5 1030...
it was the HDD, I felt that it was unfair that they used a mechanical hard drive when 120GB SSDs are 9.99€
Oh damn, they do still sell the ddr4 version brand new
@@aquss33 ye but they were going for the SLOWEST brand new pc not the best value
Dude, I've played csgo on a 710 ddr4 2gb. Dunno what ya sayin.
7:15 HEY! You’re kind of right but wrong, the problem with windows vista was just that it released in the days of when people would’ve been upgrading from their windows 98 or XP PC
Just made a used PC from an Optiplex 3050, i5-7500 and GTX 1660 S, all for 200 euros, it's amazing. And the process of finding deals was fun actually, I even found a platinum V1200 power supply from CoolerMaster for 50 euros. I love the used market!
It sounds fun if you dont really NEED a PC. I would try it for the fun of it.
Fair warning for those going this route: 7th gen Intel and older, with few exceptions, is not supported by Windows 11.
Of course Linux will still work.
I got a 13700 pc off ebay for $400 that I'm using as a server since I already had an 13900k lol
fr bro i built a new pc recently for 320$ dollars, ryzen 5 2600 for 40$ gigabyte rx 5700 xt for 125$ and 16 gb off ddr4, oh and a msi x470 for 75$ used market but it was brand new in the box
Sounds good 👌🏻
I'd love to see a speed comparison between this computer and the latest Raspberry Pi.
My bets are on the raspberry pi 😂
Aren’t raspberry pi’s quad cores?
Slowest PC would have been useable with a sata ssd, and dual channel (2x4GB) RAM, and the cost difference would be miniscule. I would have liked to see how much faster it would be with those upgrades mentioned.
It's a 2 thread cpu, that's outdated even 15 years ago
yea thing can only process to apps running at once, so its constantly jumping. that four thread cpu they talked about at the start would've made the system, well, basically double the response time. it wouldn't of really gotten things done too much faster, but it would've made at least interacting with the thing a bit more tolerable.
They did say slowest not cheapest.
Yeah I made a similar comment, this really is a vid about the slowest PC, not the most cost efficient. For 380$ you can make something 10x faster, but it's not really the point of the video. You can make a computer with a ryzen 5 4600G, 8gb ram and an SSD for 380$...
Yeah, they are exacerbating the truth because the goal of the video is to warn people about buying the cheapest new parts instead of getting used old workstation and GPU.
I got a Dell XPS Sandy Bridge (i7-6700) at a yard sale for $40. A GTX 1060 for IIRC $25 at another yard sale, a RAM upgrade, and replacing the drives the prior owner wisely yeeted made this machine a beast that can run everything I play at 1080p60 Medium.
Get out there. You might not even need to go to online marketplaces to get a dang good deal.
- PC: $40, RAM: Okay, I splurged and gave it my $90 set, SSD: ~gift, hard drive: ripout from another yard sale PC, $30 plus another PC, GPU: ~$25 IIRC.
I could have done better on the memory upgrade, or even kept the single-channel kit that was in it.
While I'm currently using my nice EVGA peripherals and 8bitdo controller, my monitor and speakers are ALSO yard sale.
I think it's worth remembering that their 'slowest' system was a completely custom build, not from an OEM. In other words, no one is trying to sell a new system with those particular specs.
The whole point was to go as slow as possible but with new parts, not to show cheap stuff being bad.
True, basically any prebuilt pc will be better, but I think the point was to say why are they even selling these parts when windows can barely run on them
@@MidwestmintBecause not everything runs on Windows and not every part is meant to go with the others. For example, no one in their right mind would use an HDD as a boot drive, they're still cheap mass storage however. Realistically, once you replace the HDD, you have a fine web browser system. With an i3 or i5, you can actually do some work on it.
20MBps really isn't that atrocious for download speed. I mean, it's not fast, but many many people run internet plans at that speed just fine. I was happy to upgrade to a faster one when I moved but it served me well.
I'm stuck with 4MBps, and I don't live in the woods. My town has fiber, but not my neighborhood!
@@fostena Yeah, that's slow as hell, insane that it even exists still - you'd probably get a better connection in the woods on top.
I'm stuck with 25MBps here. And that solely due to the fact that they gracefully gave access to it after upgrading half the city to 1GBps a few years ago with the plan to hopefully upgrade to 1GBps to everyone within the next 2 years from now. And they also give a really, really fair pricing with only charging 80% of the 1gigs price for 250k as the cheapest option, if you want to you can have less - at only 75% the price for 100k and 70% of the price for a 50k connection.... So to anyone who actively uses their internet and needs speed it's either getting the 250k and getting ripped off and to anyone else who either doesn't need that much or doesn't use it that often it's getting ripped off even more one way or the other.
bro we have fiber and on my pc max i get 6mbps, on my ubuntu laptop 10mbps and on my win8 laptop like 2mbps
@@RRareGaming that may to be a CPU bottleneck issue. Have you checked what speeds you can achieve locally, like between the two laptops?
@@fostenayeah, my win8 laptop(3120m) only manages around 25mbps locally, whereas my ubuntu(3110m) one manages about 100~, well the weird thing is my pc has a 9900kf yet its still only getting 6mbps..
The boot time is actualy pretty interessting! It shows that MS has eaten quiet alot of the performance gains of fast storage by bloating it up!
Not even just M$, but gaming as a whole, so many games on console still having pop-in despite the console manufacturers forcing SSDs on us. The worst thing is when M$ forces you to use an SSD for games that would work perfectly on a HDD or even worked before on a HDD.
I'm watching this with the Intel Celeron G5900T. I got the motherboard free, and got the CPU for $19 used. It does everything I need, and requires no cleaning of fans because I removed the fans. It uses barely any power, and is somewhat snappy feeling. I like using mine for light work loads, like watching videos, social media, and very small video editing tasks.
Average school pc
My schools pcs still run windows 7
Bro this os faster then my chrome book
@dabois012 my current gaming pc was upgraded from win10 to 7, and still is
Throwback to when 5 minutes to boot into windows was common... Also when I was a teenager, my download speeds on my parents' internet averaged at most around 280 Kb/s (despite them paying for 20 Mb/s, which did eventually get fixed... sort of). Downloading games sometimes could take over a day...
Ahh, the days of letting a 3 minute video load over dinner. Or watching a full screen image take a minute (or three) to load in. How I wish I could never go back. And, I remember when my mom sprung for the fancy 12MB/s for her online schooling and teleconferencing for work. 😍
it was never common
2 minutes, sure, but 5 minutes... it's filled with bloat
8:00 quick reminder at Linus that 20mb/s is still more than twice as fast as the average German internet...
My work computer purchased from Dell with the explicit use case of running Autodesk Inventor (3D Modeling Software) was purchased brand new with a GTX 730 in it.... The graphics driver support being discontinued gave me enough reasoning to go to my boss and he allowed me to pick out my new computer WITHOUT corporate intervention. Amazing these legacy components can still be put in 'new' pre-builds is wild.
Great lessons here - I went through a similar experience with entry level sim racing stuff, used stuff is good (don't ignore), some things are more expensive because they are literally good, don't overpay for entry level stuff.
That aint nothing compared to a laptop I helped to fix the other day. My friend's parents' budget laptop from 2015 had some issues booting into Windows, nothing major, I got it sorted out quite fast. But boy the darn thing is slow! I legit was staring at the login screen for over 10min to get to desktop😴
Speaking of scrapyard wars, when’s the new one :)
LTT: Buy the cheapest business laptops and... roast them... They're very very very very very horrible and bad price value.
Working in a shop I constantly have to explain to customers that NEW does not equal FAST. People bring in brand new cheap laptops with Celerons and minimal non upgradable storage that are straight up trash, when the old laptop they are upgrading from, like a 6th gen i5, are orders of magnitude more usable.
While I never do used pc components I do keep old ones, then I give them to family/friend/coworkers who might need them and are usually better than what they currently have.. When I upgrade/build a new pc and have it up and running and tested out then I offload the old one..Much luv from Tokyo,Japan.
How much quicker would that PC have been with 8GB instead of 4GB? The broader point is correct, but I suspect this was the most significant pain point in the build and cheap to address.
Yeah, I winced when I heard him say 4GB. I wouldn't have put that in a build 15 years ago.
I remember a couple of years ago a friend said that his pc did problems for him so he upgraded from 2gb to 4gb of ram. I was absolutely shocked that windows even managed to run on 2gb of ram. I at the time wanted to run Minecraft faster so I upgraded from 8gb to 16gb, btw I actually didn’t know that Minecraft had a 2gb limit if you don’t change it in command. Noticed it only after I upgraded and it still ran the same.
Would have been interesting to see them upgrade each post in the slow machine, one "tier" at a time to find what the low budget limit is for a serviceable machine and how much difference each upgrade makes per dollar.
Bruh that 20 mb per second is faster than my series x with my wifi 💀💀💀
You should compare that system to one of the mini PCs you can buy for about the same price - like a BeeLink, MinisForum, etc - any number of decent and cheap options all in for less than $380. They all use laptop parts but they would run cycles around this thing - even fine for casual gaming (30fps at 1080p on low settings). Or, consider comparing this system to a decent "value" system with good parts for the same cost (or less) - really showing the difference in picking up the right parts for your budget.
Definitely. The power supply and ATX case are such large fixed costs that you can't get good value in terms of price/performance when you go for the absolute lowest end parts.
@@kristinnkristinsson1369 Another example is the use of DDR3. Often times, older tech isn't cheaper because it is no longer mass produced, and it can even become _more_ expensive the older it is.
To be fair: The 500GB WD Blue HDD were slow in 2013, compared to a normal HDD with 7200 rpm. We had 120 PC's delivered with them. And they are astrocious Slow on 8GB Systems and Win 7 with i5 4570. After Sata SSD upgrade they were completly different Machines.
Interstingly we have exactly those Acer Aspire around, today i was upgrading some with their 128GB Sata SSD to 500GB, as those were dying. Great little Machines, we got them upgraded to 16GB now 500GB Sata together with the 8400 they are realy great and will live on a long time at school. Best part: Generic Parts. PSU is standard biggest Problem with Prebuild and Office Builds are the PSU, ATX, SFX or TFX Systems are great bud sadly lot of manufacturers have non standard PSU and connectors inside.
Even running Windows 7 on a 5000 rpm isn't the best - I don't see how their slow build was compatible with windows 10/11 because Microsoft definitely doesn't recommend or suggest running those on a hard disk at all.
The CPU is the least of your problems. You have insufficient RAM and you’re swapping to spinning rust. Spend another $15 to double your RAM and upgrade to an SSD for a $30 premium and you’d have a perfectly usable machine.
Spinning rust has to be the cannon name for a hard drive nowadays lmao
Exactly, the reason the first pc didnt even function properly was the 4 gigs of ram, its just not enough for even windows anymore. That being said it was still garbage for the price.
i wouldn't describe celeron cpu's as "perfectly usable" for a modern windows machine
@@xflyinglizardx I agree. Celerons where good for Web browsing and solitaire 10 years ago.
These days they are so weak that they can barely be used for anything else than notepad scribling if you are willing to wait 5 minutes for notepad to load.
Even Intels new E-Cores are more powerfull than a Celeron.
The big issue is nobody optimizes their programs anymore. It's amazing what an indie game dev on a not horribly bloated system with that setup could do.
I use an i7-3770 with a 1050TI as my main setup, 240gb ssd, 2x 500gb 7200 rpm hdd for storage, 4x 4gb at 1600mhz, sure not great but without any money theres nothing better to get and a lot of stuff is still running, and the only thing I had to actually pay for was the 1050 TI which was 30 bucks, everything else was scrap parts I got either for free or got from places I worked at, else I'd have probably planned to go with a 1650 if the friend didnt offer me the 1050 ti.
Always have to lower the settings but as someone who grew up with only outdated hardware and as someone who isn't too much into gaming (especially not the modern gaming), this build is fine, I am basically used to playing on PS2 and Nintendo DS so something like 1600 x 900 on medium settings and 30 FPS looks fine to me already (on more modern games)
you can think whatever you want about me or call me out for anything but while I am not "happy" about this setup it also isn't anything I can complain about, especially considering it cost 30 bucks for me get, just because its old it doesnt mean its bad, I love using old stuff, especially if it still works just fine.
The high end standard many people see and aim for is such a negative result of society saying you need it and making you want it to not feel bad, but honestly, as long as YOU like the setup you're using and it works for you, be happy with it, no matter if its 100 bucks or 2000 bucks, as long as its fun, its good!
Also, a little tip, if you want to get a deal by taking older hardware, make sure theyre still compatible with stuff you wanna use, my cpu as an example doesnt have AVX2 which some modern games want you to have, I had to sacrifice ability to play one game when I gave away my laptop with a Ryzen 5 3550H/rx560x to then use the i7-3770/1050 ti combo
@@NoBodysGamer I am from Germany
I run the 1050Ti with a i3-10100F and I have no issues, I can play RDR2 on high settings while getting 50-60 fps which is absolutely great for me. Everything else for every day use runs smooth af. I might upgrade the card someday but it can handle everything I care about just fine.
@@RicardoMontania I now passed on my 1050 Ti to my brother and bought an RX 580, its performing way better, I am gonna miss the opportunity to use my GPU for AI stuff tho
For comparison, three months ago I bought a used HP Z840 for $340 (shipped) that came with:
XEON E5-2667 V4
MSI GTS 1080
32gb DDR4
1150w Power Supply
1TB SSD
DVD R/W drive
Win 11 64 bit (registered)
Yeah iGot a dozen Dell Precision T5810 'super computers' off Craigslist for $100 grand total (less than $10 each, delivered =) & iAm going 2 'mirror' up with XP because my main 'street junk' (but fast enough) old 'Benecia' HP (Asus mobo) trash is 'dying' = but may fix with the usual 'reconnect everything & swap the RAM' trik =) It's about the same speed as an even older Dell Precision T5400 iHav & am on right now in the kitchen as iType this = plays 4K video & all that stuff 2. The whole 'gamer thing' is so lame. iHave no interest in 'computer graphics games' because any random 'movie' or other 'feature' is E Z 2 find online & don't have 2 jump through hoops 2 C the next 'scene' =) Would much rather play virtual pinball games than N E of that plasticky-looking bull$hit 'fake world' $tuff. Like everybody talks about 'Cyberpunk' = so we can go C 'virtual fat ugly brown trannies'? LOL!! What a total waste of $$$ =))
Xeons with some moderate overclock can still be pretty amazing, I know someone running one with a 3080ti with little to none bottleneck
@@renealcerro1320 You pay for it in high power bills though.
@@itIsI988No you don't. The difference in price between would save you around $10 a year in the US. The air conditioner and heater is what drives your electric bill, not your CPU.
@@criticalthinker420 I'm in the UK. Power hungry computer parts are still stupidly expensive to run for long periods over here.
"if it hasn't failed in 6 years it probably wont fail"
A good tenet for solid state parts that are locked from overclocking.
Also, needs an explainer for what a "bathtub curve" is :). (where failures occur either immediately, or after a long time, but little or none in between)
The GPU at 12:21 aint the same one as whats in the machine, the GPU in the machine is an Nvidia/Founders style card. How much price difference is that card to the one shown in the screenshot?
6:17 damn, might as well pick up a book and start reading at this point lol. You could probably read an entire Light Novel volume and still be waiting 🤣
3:00 If you want to build a super-slow PC, all you need to do is to use HDD instead of SSD. Everything else is just a bonus.
Windows minimum requirements. The hard drive was a mistake, but another big mistake was just having 4GB of RAM. Windows will boot with that much installed but it will not like it, as you can see. I had a laptop with a similar spec. AMD A6-6310, 500GB HDD 4GB DDR3... it was stupid slow. When i added more RAM it made a HUGE difference since it wasnt using disk swap on a 5400 RPM HDD.
A SSD will also speed things up too.
That 2 core 2 thread CPU definitely doesnt help anything for sure. But when i took my uncles old PC with an athilon II X2 255 (2 core 2 thread) system with 3GB of DDR2 and a 500GB 5400 RPM HDD... and gave it 16GB of RAM and a SSD, it booted up in far less time. though it wasnt like you were going to play any games. I also slapped a gtx 750ti in it, that i got used. Made the system bearable for a while. Ended up snagging an i7-8700 CPU and a motherboard + cooler to boot for basically nothing and ran with that.
The fact that you can still buy a 2 core CPU these days brand new is wild. Microsoft stating windows only needs 4GB of RAM is also ridiculous. In order to have a decent experience you need a minimum of 8 but id personally recommend 16 for daily use. The OS will cache a lot of files and utilize it.
12:23 that does not look like the GPU you used in the build? im a bit confused, yours looks like an NVIDIA FE and is clearly not the card you showed in the screen shot...
LTT has a huge inventory
They just find the equivalent component in their warehouse, no need to buy it again. This also adds a lot of speed for them to make this video: come up with the idea, search for the components online, make the equivalent vid, all in a day.
Linus REALLY missed the opportunity to use an SD card as a boot drive instead of a HDD. That probably wouldve been close to unusable 😂
"20mb/s. That's atrocious."
Linus, I was happy when my WiFi was upgraded and I hit, at peak, 2mb/s download... SOME PEOPLE AREN'T AS FORTUNATE AS YOU.
I was using dual core Pentium E (LGA 775) and HDD until Windows 8.1 and it was performing fine.
Windows relied heavily on SSD since Windows 10. Any PC without it was significantly lagged and I guess Microsoft just assumed everyone was able to get one of them back then. (I mean, it's not expensive, but still did not appealing in terms of the price couple years ago)
This PC is still faster than mine
This past black friday sales time, I bought a miniPC for like $300 before tax (like $330 after tax, USD) that has an AMD 5800H mobile apu (8 cores, 16 threads, I think 8 compute units of graphics), 32gb ram, a 500 gb ssd, hdmi and displayport and usb-c for (it says) up to 3 displays out. and it was new! bought from Amazon.
I wiped Windows and put MX Linux on it.
Look at AMD 5800H and 5700U mobile APU mini PC's. If somebody was gonna use Windows, I'd say get one with 32gb ram (less ram for a new computer is silly, especially at the price difference. Better to have and and not wish later you had gotten more when you could've. Even if you don't need it today, you'll be glad you got the little bit of extra ram before the end of the computer's useful life) and 1tb ssd.
I think the brand I got was trigkey
Not so much ago i bought a ryzen 5675u mini pc with 16gb of ddr4, 500gb and a windows license for just 300€. Its brand new and actually capable of running some games... my parents use it as a browsing machine and its perfect
My school be like gimme gimme wait how did you build my schools computer my schools CPUs are a i3 3940 with windows 10 4Gb ram DDR3 all in one
I think you can get ddr3 dirt cheap by now . He'll you might get some free dumsterdiving e waste . A bit more ram + brand new ssd would work fine for web
Just 4gb more ram and a cheap 128gb ssd to boot and install application would work just fine.
I have a i3 4005u laptop has max speed is 1.6ghz and it run fine even for window 11, and good to use on ubuntu. Can play old games pretty old like skyrim or crysis say at 20-45 fps.
@@sMv-Afjal say that to the IT team
Also the bloatware is awfuly slow
@arandomcomp2427 can't even install afterburner
School Pc be like
The problem with used is that even Ryzen 1 processors are excluded from installing windows 11.
somehow this meets Windows 11's minimum specs but my pc with an i7 4790K, an RTX 3060, and an m.2 SSD doesn't.
you need a better cpu
@@44Jess453 my point is that my cpu is significantly better than the one in the video, it's just old. I think it was the flagship model when it came out.
"20 MB/s thats atrocious!" *nervously looks at CoD downloading at half that speed peak for 2 literal days*
“We’re looking at 20 MEGABYTES per second. That’s atrocious.” Linus confirmed Canadian, not Australian
I paid 300 bucks for a used 6800 before the 7 thousand series was released. Best time to upgrade is when the new products launch and buy them on eBay. I only buy from people that have original boxes though. Pretty much ensures the protection of the device during shipping.
This reminds me of how I have friends who will spend 20k+ on a brand new base model car, rather than spend half of that for a used car that has twice the luxury features.
My pc is inherited from an office worker. They built it back in 2016.
I5-7400
1TB HDD with 90% Health
8+4GB Memory, albeit mixed match brand, speed, and timing.
I spared some around US$150 to get a new much more reliable PSU(MSI MAG A550BN), 480GB SATA SSD(MSI Spatium S270), and a second-hand GTX 1050ti.
And it has been amazing for what im using it for, mainly playing Genshin Impact @ highest graphic setting and watching 1080p RUclips video.
I hope it lasts for atleast another 5 years because $150 is a lot of money here :d
The main issue here was getting it to run off of the WD500gb Blue without giving it a buddy to handle the operating system.
As someone who likes using HDDs in this day and age, I'll say the WD500gb is probably the most reliable on the market tied with the WD Green line of HDDs and is a solid work horse (it wouldn't handle PS5 stuff but can run PS3/360 era content) but it was always going to struggle with having it's abilities split between running the OS, Steam and a game.
If you'd like to try a more efficient set up, use an SSD exclusively for the OS, an SSD to run things like PS5 ports and a large capacity WD Black HDD for everything prior to the PS5.
It’s kinda heartbreaking to see that the internet speed shown is “extremely slow” whilst that is my stop speed 😭
I'd be happy to even have this, I had a power surge that knocked out my computer today and I'm just at a loss now.
I'd love to see the "slowest" brand new PC but with 1 "fastest" component, e.g. all the same components, but with a 4090, or an i9, or 64GB of DDR5 RAM, a top MOBO, etc and see which has the biggest improvement
Linus - "Its still not fast"
Me - *Has 10mb internet*
I literally built 50 dollars (pc with "2009's high end pc components" and it is like completely usable for cs2 and many games with low system requirements. I can even play gta 5 at high settings.
Specs:
Asus P5Q Deluxe
Xeon e5440 overclocked to 3.8GHZ
4x 2GB ddr2 800MHZ hyperx rams
Crucial Bx500
GTX 750 2GB (modded bios with Ti edition frequency values)
The fact that companies can get away with selling cheap hardware which is more list e waste just blows my mind
Linus's download speeds are faster than my ssd's write speed of 5gb/s, if I was there I would have to limit the download speed to stop it from slowing my computer down
Fun fact: In Mexico, some retail stores rip off techonologically analphabet people by selling Celeron laptops with 4GB ram for around 6k to 8k Mexican pesos ($300-500USD). I wish these practices stop but yeah, people do buy these.
I have a used OptiPlex that I got for free with similar specs to your used upgrade, and all I had to do was slap in an RX550 and a 1TB SSD and it’s a crazy good performer. Easily mid-range, which really surprised me. I have a top-of-the-line PC now, but that PC was actually quite impressive.