Jim Cornette on Paul Orndorff
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- Опубликовано: 25 окт 2024
- From Episode 197 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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My dad was a bodybuilder and stayed in incredible shape all of his life. He was training people out of the house at 75. But from 75 to 81 he deteriorated quickly, and dementia took him the last three years of his life.
Mother nature and father time are a hell of a tag team, and they're still undefeated.
I'm sorry to hear that. That tends to be how it happens, sadly. Fast.
Bless your father, def sad what father time can do to even the best of us! Thanks for sharing this my brother!
My dad and aunt both are suffering from dementia and it just seemed to just happen all of a sudden.
❤ 🙏 Bless your dad . ❤🙏
@@jasonelliott7977 yea it does, sorry to hear that brother, hope your doing good
That promo with Mean Gene: "I'm gonna show you the body that women love. And men love...to fear." What a legend!
A lot of men just loved it like the women did.
@Les Canadiens *Cue Gene corpsing*
@@diogoferreira8151 SEND FOR THE MAN! *beat it plays*
@@stephentrout7879 **macho man flips table over and smacks torrie wilson**
Mr wonderfuls best promo tbh. The story about the plane and the captain asking Mr Wonderful is it ok to take off now?🤣🤣
The Orndorf video broke my heart. My mother passed away from Dementia. It is a very painful, and debilitating illness
Yea, Slow Devon was a classy piece of shit for posting that just to get views. Slow Devon posted that video on RUclips to draw people to his channel without getting Paul's or his family's permission to upload that video. He took it down because Paul's son told him he didn't want that video on RUclips to draw views.
@@jackbarnes9728 "classy"? Or "classless"?
@@ZacharyFineour I was being sarcastic
@@jackbarnes9728 okay I was just making sure. Wasn't trying to start an argument, just thought that maybe it was a typo or something
Same here.💤😥
"When Orndorff had the bad neck. I asked him why he didnt get it fixed. He said. I was up there with the man, printing money" - Kevin Nash
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Adriano Stafford : Orndorff was on a colossal run with Hulk Hogan back in 1986 where they were selling out every arena in all of the WWF cities, as well as drawing over 60,000 at the CNE stadium in Toronto. When Orndorrf talks about "printing money with the man", he is talking about working on top with Hogan (the man) and making a ton of money all over the country. This was during the pre PPV era when the primary source of revenue was the live events. If you didn't work the arena shows, you did not get paid. Missing out on those once-in-career paydays was just not feasible for Orndorff so he worked through the injuries. He made a choice to sacrifice some physical health for the big pay checks. Whether or not that was a good decision is something only he could answer.
Despite the popular myth about opponents like Savage,DiBiase,Andre,etc, Orndorff made more money with Hogan than anyone with his matches with Hogan in 1984 and more specifically the second half of 1986. He could’ve retired off those paydays alone.
@@philipclarke9696it’s not what you think.
@@KayFabe87 Thank you for explaining that to me.
Orndorff was such a badass! You believed what he said and did!
Rudy Diamond definitely believes
@@ren17x50 did he wear the Paula shirt?
@@crappiekingdre6231 he wished he hadn't, lol. You know who he is!
Rip Mr wonderful Paul orndorff
"He was a badass from the word Go." I Couldn't think of a better compliment. Loved watching Paul back in the day. Wonderful! Wonderful! Wonderful!
Does anyone else remember he and Hogan escaping the cage at the exact same time on SNME?
I once read somewhere that fans once actually timed the simultaneous escape and it shows that orndorff touched the floor first.
Yes !!. One of my earliest memories of wrestling.
@@harrylime5370 it was a taped show and WWE edited it to make it appear that they touched down at the same time. It's more likely they were quite off.
Oh yeah, I was a kid and I was so pissed LOL
As Jesse Ventura said at the inaugural Wrestlemania, Orndorff looked like a Greek God at his peak, and he had an intensity to his work that very few could rival. Plus, he was the owner of the most deadliest kicks for someone wearing flip-flops. Very sad to hear :(
But never held a title
@@Cre8Lounge Those things that are assigned to you by a promoter?
While his WWF tenure was meh he did own gold in WCW. (As far as holding gold goes)
@@Cre8Lounge So? neither did Ted Diabese or Jake Roberts.
@@Cre8Lounge so what… its to his credit that he never needed a wwf title
My thoughts and prayers are with Paul Orndorff. I did hear he’s battling Dementia.
He was an evil man.
@@frankcabanski9409 Found the mark. Go take your meds.
Dementia is a b****.
All it does is get worse.😥
@@deathproofpony The Walrus couldn't have out fought an old lady with his bad arm.
@@frankcabanski9409 get out mark
It's sad we may end up losing another one of the greats
Eventually it will end badly for all of us
No one lives forever. And often death is a release from pain and grief, in that case its not sad, it is merciful.
Sadly, we just did. R.I.P Orndorff. What a badass. I'm gonna miss him. A wonder to watch.
Best piledriver ever
No question about that.
No doubt! The King had a nice piledriver also until he cut back on jumping with the move to cut the risk of injuring his opponent
He was supposed to be in Rambo 2 vince wouldn't let him take the time off for the film
Terry Gordie's was better. He'd jump and spike people. Nothing special about Orndorf's.
@KaneMagus indeed
Orndorff created the He-man haircut
Orndorff WAS He-Man
Yes! Good call
Mattel used Orndorff as their template for He-Man…or at least they should have
@@johnmesser6352 Amen
He looked just like him, from the hair, to the tan, to the face, to the body. He was a live action He-Man.
Worked a long shift in a dementia ward not long ago, was very rewarding but absolutely heartbreaking. Two of my aunts were afflicted by it, horrible disease and was so hard to watch them decline like that. I'd never wish that on ANYONE. Hope Paul gets the care and support he needs.
And Brian, its Gloucestershire with an "OH" but bless you for trying. Lovely part of the UK, y'all should pop over.
My mom had had accelerated dementia months before she died due to fluid going to ger hrsin causing shrinkage. Doctor told me in a few months id he lucky it she knew who i was. She past from fuiid going to her heart before this could happen. I was sad but glad i didnt get to see her get to thst point. It was one of the hardest periods of my life seeing her talk to me asni was a child one min wonderin where my late father was who.psst 4 yrs earlier, to nect min talking to present adult me. I unfortunately seen the footage of paul and that made me sad as a huge fan of hid growing up .
@@nolaxtreme Sorry to hear that bro, that must have been absolutely heartwrenching. Seeing my auntie's reduced to that state, who were very strong women, just plain crushed me on the inside. I'm going to the cinema later with the missus to watch The Father, which is about dementia. Gonna be a hard watch.
My father was a rough tough man,growing up working on Tobacco farms,then driving a tractor trailer & unloading entire trailers of meat,etc his last year,even though we weren't close,was heartbreaking. Dementia & shrunk to nothing,my word,it is ugly.
Might be the most underrated wrestler ever, he was amazing.
Great college football player too
Why is everyone underated these days? Baffles me
@@stueymorris how bout some examples to back that up ? Evidence, thats also underrated 😅
@@metallicbigtoe3949 lol, someone said the other day Van Damme's 90's films were underated lol, he was huge in the 90's, I'll see if I can track back to it
@@stueymorris thats awesome 🤣 seriously though when I think of Pipers promos during the 80s feud with Hogan, I always think of Mr Wonderful benching like 400 in the background, he was a huge part of all that but is talked about the least of all those stars, which is why I've always considered him underrated 👍
Nightly comfort blanket. Love this channel. Sucks to get old.. :(
Every night for me too! Cant go to sleep without the soothing sounds and stories of Corny!
Nice! Same here
what a drag it is...
i actually liked his team with Paul Roma, Pretty Wonderful in wcw
RIP Paul Orndorff. Passed away today. 07-12-21
That's why I like this channel. I would guess that Paul Orndoff had a life and career outside of the WWE, but I appreciate the Hogan rivalry mention because that was a huge part of my childhood. Orndoff turning on Hogan was my first life encounter of a friend betraying a friend, up until that moment because I was a child, I thought that it was impossible for a friend or a tag team partner to turn against a friend or a tag team partner.
Biggest tv drawing match in the past 40 years. Like 33 million viewers on NBC. Entire industry today in north America as a whole doesn't do that even if you add all the numbers and pretend theirs no overlap in audiences from promotion to promotion.
@@nolaxtreme nothing besides a MAJOR sporting event could get close to those numbers today, too many choices....too many different ways to watch. I hate when television numbers are compared, those were better days for sure.....but they're long gone
Funny the impact media and television has on us. My first encounter with something similar was on an episode of Dukes of Hazard. It was the episode where Bo and Luke got into a fist fight. I remember to this very day watching it and yelling at the TV ...wait you can't fight ...stop it ...you're cousins.! ..lol
@Aaron Lassiter nice ...I would have been 8 coming up for 9 in December assuming the show aired in Sept or October. This was probably my first intro to the heel turn angle even if Luke did manage to bring Bo back and Bo never really fully turned heel .
truly sad watching him now. prior seeing that video, i watched an older video of Paul doing a vignette of himself training a bunch of people at a gym. paul had one of the best physiques around and even the people who were in reasonable shape in that vignette looked tiny compared to paul. then i watched some of his early 80s WWF matches and loved his intensity, crispness and aggressiveness he'd show in the ring. it's insane to think the same person from that video was someone with super hero like qualities and looks and now is frail and barely coherent. i just wish the best for him.
Orndorff was awesome in the 80's.
Orndorff's piledriver looked deadly.
Cornette was so funny.
RIP Mr. Wonderful. 71. Thank you! You were awesome!
An absolute legitimate badass! Dude was straight up tough...
I really liked his WCW theme with the singing, they call him Mr. Wonderful.
RIP Mr Wonderful- Paul Orndorff!
I feel bad for Paul and his family. I hope despite his dementia that he's got good spirits and finds enjoyment in his days.
He executed THE best Piledriver I ever seen
I met him at wrestlereunion in 2011.
He was so nice. He signed for me. And took a picture with me.
I remember he was stressing because he had just been diagnosed with cancer.
I put my arm around him and held his hand and told him it will be alright. 🙂 It was a nice picture.
Just watched the video of him in the hospital.
Not much to say. Except that he looks like he has gotten old. It happens to all of us.😒
I mean he is 71 years old. That is around the time sadly when things start to fall apart for people.
That was the age when my mother developed dementia. I kept her going till she was 75.😥
Alzheimer's cannot erase Mr. Wonderful as long as we all remember!
You guys are wrong; Orndorff was in the future Mid-South in 1978. Was North American Champion, got the belt from Ernie Ladd.
Kinda sad with his current health situation
One of my favorite wrestlers ever. Paul Orndorff was one tough SOB. He was Stone Cold 25 years before Steve Williams.
It broke my heart to see Mr. Wonderful like that, my favorite heel ever!😔
Paul Orndorff is tough as nails even now. That is why he's still with us.
"even now"? You clearly haven't watched the video
@@SonOfMuta Do you think I'm talking about his bench press?
@@yardape99 You cleary didn't watch the video. He's frail, suffering from Alzheimer's and Parkinson's...he's not "tough as nails even now".
@@SonOfMuta Dude, the fact he is not dead shows how tough he is. Get a clue.
I hated him as a kid and that made him a great heel. I was legitimately scared when the Horsemen gave him a piledriver on the concrete that was instigated by Brian Pillman.
RIP Mr. Wonderful
Listening to Jim Cornette's voice and his general manor are like an addiction. Then there's his amazing humour and opinions, which are spot on every time!
Me too
In my opinion, his opinions are 50/50 between genius and dogshit but you’re right that he’s incredibly entertaining to listen to no matter what
Yes W H, I may have gone a bit far saying he's spot on every time. For example he's too harsh on AEW and it's booking?
RIP Mr. Wonderful Paul Orndorff
Paul should’ve held the WWF title or IC belt. He had a great look and awesome wrestling ability. When Randy Savage came on the scene, he had to take over Paul’s spot against Hogan. Unfortunately, Paul had some serious health issues from 1986 on.
Is there anything cooler than a name like “Mr. Wonderful”?
Yes: STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN
Rip Mr wonderful Paul orndorff
He is legend. Whooping Vader in the shower shoes. My wonderful was always a favorite. I was a heel at heart before it was cool. Going to the matches rooting for the bad guys we got heat. The old ladies hated us kids. Ripping the crowd pulling for Pipper, Cowboy Orton. I too have sever neck injuries from the ARMY. I have muscle wasting. Tore all four tendons in both rotator cuffs. I have shredded biceps. For him to whip Leon with one good arm is amazing. It kills me to see him in his current state. I saw him in Fla championship wrestling. Gordon Solie. I love that I grew up in the real wrestling era. Mid South, Kamala, Dusty, JYD, Road Warriors, Race, Flair, Rock n Roll Express, Freebirds, Mid night Express and Cornette with mommas money. Mid Atlantic my buddy Ivan and Nakita. Ronnie and Jimmy Garvin. Black Jack, Barry and Kendal. Mr Wrestlings, Billy Jack Haynes, Freebird, Dick Murdoch, Dick Slader, The Fabs, The Four Hourseman, the Von Erichs and Buzz Sawyer. Just too name a few. I’ve been a fan my whole life. I later moved to Charlotte and worked out at Ricky Steamboats Gym. I was a boxer in the Army and loved working out at a real gym. I worked out with many wrestlers. Ivan and I got to be great friends. He was over at my house several times. I use to buy supplements from him and Ronnie Garvin. I met Sting and Lex at the gym through Ivan and many others. I always had aspirations of being a pro wrestler but I was too small at 5’8 163. I was all into boxing and had hopes of turning pro. I’ve now had 3 neck surgeries. My right arm was weakness and pain. I’m looking at a 4th neck surgery. I took a rifle blow to the head which messed up my neck. It paralyzed my pherinic nerve causing me to have a paralyzed diaphragm. I’ve been on oxygen 24/7. I’ve had plenty of time to watch wrestling and it pains me too see how bad the shows have become. I find myself a huge fan listening to you and Brian. I’m old school and guess I get more entertained out of shoot interviews. Love hearing about Haku, Shiek, Rick Rude and the Steiner brothers. Your analysis of wrestling is spot on. Thanks guys.
Wishing the best for you man
@@davidandrews4025 thank you. I’m blessed
Wishing the very, very best for one of my all-time favorite wrestlers, Mr. #1 derful Paul Orndorff.
One of my great wrestling memories is Paul Orndorff and Roddy Piper causing a near riot in MSG at the end of the War to Settle the Score. Orndorff's intensity was off the charts putting the boots to Hogan and then Mr T and the late great Gorilla Monsoon on commentary. "Orndorff fighting security fighting everybody."
May Paul find peace during his struggle.
Paul passed away today. Heard this on Don Muraco podcast
Hannible showed a clip of the video that was recorded and posted by Paul's son, bur Hannible deleted it after some blowback. Paul wrestled for Ron Fuller in Southeast Championship Wrestling along with Arn Anderson back between 80-83.
Always loved the work and the gimmick - seemed a good dude in interviews
My prayers goes out to him🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Dark Side Of The Ring: “Mr. Wonderful” Paul Orndorff.
His last interview on Hannibal TV was heartbreaking,rough to watch. Hannibal was good to him,being very patient. Jim,blasphemy leads to effiminacy.
I did not bring myself to see that video just looking at the picture alone was heartbreaking and something like that maybe should have not been posted word of mouth would have been enough as we would like to remember Mr orndorf as the man that we remember him as in the wrestling industry God bless him and his family when one of the boys gets in conditions like this we all go down and it takes a little piece of us with him
If people were honest, then word of mouth would work. But there is a wrestler that knew his condition and has claimed he was fine.
RIP Mr. Wonderful, one of the greats of my younger days.
Mr. Wonderful was one of my favorite wrestlers in the 80's, never won gold in the WWF. Should've had a run as Champion or even an IC Title. The best piledriver in the business!
He once said he never wanted the I/C title. Apparently, they asked him to take it he refused. Told them no. He insisted that: "How can I wrestle in the main event if Im Intercontinental champion". "I never needed it", "I make more money wrestling Hogan in the main event without the belt".
Thanks for the info. I never knew that. Would he have taken the strap from Savage in all likelihood?
@ b40 b40 I agree. You won't get any argument here on Hogan from 84-88. Always felt he deserved an IC run at least.
Sucks getting old!
Wish him nothing but the best!
Several years ago at a wrestling convention I paid $20 for a pic with Mr. Wonderful.
He gave me the most humble, sincere thank you and complimented my Johnny Cash shirt
I hope his health improves he is one of the greats.
I Wished I could have met him again after I was grown. He was great to me when I met him as a kid.
RIP Mr. Wonderful
Brian said medical facility unironically. Vince is doing his Jedi mind tricks again.
Even if you do look that video up, don't let this affect your memory of the intense man. Great heel, believable against Hogan...the only guy before Andre I felt could actually beat him. And having met him, a stand up man.
A true warrior who gave everything in the ring to entertain us (and make money lol.) I hope he regains some peace.
With the possible exception of Randy Savage, I think he was Hulk Hogan's greatest opponent. It would've been cool to see get even a brief run with the title
Paul Orndorff was one of the best wrestlers to never hold the WWF or WCW World titles. A major mistake by both companies especially WWF. "Mr. Wonderful" will forever be the uncrowned champion of the world! RIP LEGEND
RIP Paul Orndorff, may God comfort your family.....
Just saw the video. So sad. He's a true wrestling legend
Five guys got me into wrestling in 1985: JYD, British Bulldogs, Tito Santana and Paul Orndorff. Paul was also the very first heel I ever worked myself into supporting when that SOB Hogan couldn't even be bothered to interrupt a workout to take Paul's call...
I hope Paul has a speedy end. I know this is unpleasant, but there are conditions from which nobody recovers, so I hope Paul's suffering is as short-lived as possible.
Who was the fifth or were there only four? Thanks. ✌️
He said "British BulldogS", so I'm guessing his list is: JYD, Dynamite Kid, Davey Boy Smith, Tito Santana and Paul Ordndorff. 🤷♂️
@@georgenoriegajr yeah, I missed the "s" on Bulldogs. Fair enough.
It feels strange to wish somebody a speedy end, but it really is an act of mercy to mitigate that kind of suffering. I had an aunt who in moments of clarity was appalled at realizing how helpless she was.
Orndorff was definitely world champ material the look the heat and skill. Loved his training vignettes too
Saw Hogan Orndorff in the old Aud in Buffalo back in the 80s. Was just a kid n to this day one of my favorite feud, heel turns n time of my life. 👍#1derful .
I saw them in Buffalo too back then...
Awesome
@@americandiabloin the cage when they did the exact finish from Saturday night's main event? That's when I woke to the trick
Prayers to Paul and his family. Orndorff was the real deal.
That video clip of Paul was beyond sad......couldn't finish looking at it....I remember him during his prime.....
......truly a great wrestler....
Orndorff is a cool dude, got to interact with him at an indie show years ago during the intermission. The other wrestlers had people waiting in line at their gimmick tables, Paul just gathered everyone around him to sign stuff and tell stories, he just wanted to shoot the shit with folks. Definitely the best experience I ever had meeting a veteran wrestler.
Awesome
Jim is right about the repetition of the slams and falls. It's why football lineman are more susceptible to CTE. It's said that every time that you see a flash of light when you take a hit to the head is a minor concussion.
Wrestlers used to wear No Fear t-shirts that read "Pain is temporary, but the pride is forever" at tournaments in high school. Fuck that shit, I would rather be able to turn my neck normally now in my 40s than talk about how hard it was for me to get pinned.
One of the greatest wrestling heels of all time
RIP MR WONDERFUL
Had a great body and is a real legend in my eyes.
Orndorff's version of the Piledriver was the best in the business -- bar none! It was so much more brutal and vicious looking compared to Lawler's or Race's variation.
One of my favorite memories is of Orndorff, during his monster heel run in '86, cleaning out a ring full of jobbers where he would grab their heads, shake them side to side, before placing their heads between his monster thighs and spiking them on the canvas. Just such a thing of beauty to witness as a 6 yr old!
He was one of the best heels during the 80's -- which is really saying something when you think about how many awesome heels that were during that time period. He had the complete package -- great physique, fantastic worker, awesome ring psychology, accomplished athlete, legit bad ass, very physical -- but still very safe to work with etc. He was also one of Hogan's best opponents and brought out the best of him during their feud in 86'.
Very sad news about his dementia :(
i saw clips of his 80's stuff he was in incredible shape... awesome voice too. they shoulda done more with him.
It reminds me of an uncle who was a good boxer in his teens in Detroit, and was always strong and sharp as a pin. He suffered from cancer and dementia, and the last time I ever saw him was the saddest experience.
When you encourage folks to NOT watch it , you know that each and every person that hasn't already watched it are going to watch it.
It's like the big red button that says DONT PUSH 😆
Orndorff was one of the best ever....
Before the wee network went to shambles I started watching everything they had from the 1980s and I loved watching Paul’s matches. From the start everything was intense even a headlock looked like the most painful thing in the world. It’s sad to hear this news about his health
Definitely is very sad how his health has gotten worse lately. I found out a couple weeks ago when his son Travis commented on an Instagram post of mine. I could barely tell it was Paul in some of the most recent photos posted. A true legend, badass, and incredible worker in the ring. Hopefully he pulls through.
COLEY FOLEY SAYS: GREAT INSIGHT, JIMMY... HAHAHA! (R.I.P. "'MR. WONDERFUL' PAUL ORNDORFF"...)
Corny!!!!!!!!!! R.I.P. Mr. Wondeful🙏
Did shrugs with Paul in 92. Hell of a nice guy. Hopes and prayers go out to him.
I saw the video, its extremely sad. My kids live in his hometown Brandon, Florida, where hes regarded as a huge legend.
I was so Hoping he was a legend there. I hope his name carries on. Huge Orndorff fan.
He still has track and field records at Brandon high school.
@@travisleeorndorff Ive always been a huge fan of his, he is in my prayers
@@travisleeorndorff Travis, I am just Thrilled that your dad has mentioned The Lord Jesus Christ in several of his interviews. Huge Huge Paul Orndorff Fan since I was 5.
When you see Paul at his peak, it is so jarring to see him now.
As of 6/26/21, @1:26 AM EST. How can 26 POS not like this video? I pray one of the original Tampa Boys of wrestling gets better. Prays with him and his family.
R.i.p Mr. Wonderful
i only seen a image (i guess from the video) The image alone is beyond brutal and so sad! the image alone will break your heart so i’d imagine the video is 100x’s worse! Such a underrated Wrestler. You’d think in 2021 all these horrible diseases would have cures by now 😢
I don't know a lot about Paul but it's sad to hear that a legend in yere time has fallen so ill. hope he gets well soon!
RIP
Mr Wonderful.
Paul "MR WONDERFUL" Orndorff = Total Bad Ass
I remember the match with Orndorff in WCW where he showed the arm injury that happened to him where there was literally no bicep muscle and the skin just moved like how it would when you lose weight.
So sad to see Mr Wonderful like that....Breaks my heart💔💔
I couldn't watch the whole video his son uploaded, breaks my heart seeing paul like that.
It baffles me that he decided to post that embarrassing video of his father. David Penzer has pleaded with people to take it down.
@@calestelken4645 Something wrong with that boy's head, no way in hell would I have put my father on youtube just before cancer took him from us
The little bit about Paul forgetting the interview is haunting now...even though he said it was medication he was on, it probably the beginnings of his dementia/Alzheimers. That interview is a gem since it's one of the last ones before his memory really started to go.
That video is sad but shows he fought hard against cancer. RIP Mr. Wonderful
I count myself SO FORTUNATE to have seen Paul Orndorff live in the Mid-South area. I grew up on the Orndorff/DiBiase fued over the Mid-South North American championship.
Still my favorite hall of Fame speech. Go back and watch it if you havent. 2005 I believe.
Of all the things I've lost, it's my mind I miss the most.
My favorite uncle Billy recently went into hospice for Alzheimers. I had a chance to see him before he died but I couldn't see my goofy crazy uncle laying in a hospital bed barely communicating and basically dying. So I went to the funeral and had good memories of him and saw family with funny stories of him. Which is the he would have liked it.
it was must watch TV when Orndorff was on. He put asses in seats at the arena and in living rooms
Rip Mr Wonderful
He helped the WWE be what it is today....The majority of people will always say Piper was Hogans greatest opponent of the beginning of Hulkamania... BUT....So many forget about Orndorff...hardly any regular fans would remember 1986 Toronto Ontario at the CNE...60 THOUSAND Hogan vs Orndorff....Stealing Hogans theme music...The SNME Cage Match....Paul was a HUGE part..And if there is anything Vince and the WWE can do to help...ANYTHING....I truly hope Vince would reach out