Bass Drum Size Comparison (16"-24")
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The 16 really impressed me, but I still say a 20 is versatile. I had one for a few years and got a Bonham sound to Motown, depending on the gig. Loved it
With this mix, I prefer 18". Very well blend with bass sound.
Impascetic FinalP me too. I’ve just gone from playing a 16 X 14 kick for 2 and a half years to playing a 20 X 18, and I’m struggling to keep the 20” under control and articulate at lower volumes. The 16 however is perfect for small combo jazz and lugging around university, however it is consistently overpowered in large group situations. Every other jazz drummer I knows plays an 18 and doesn’t seem to have any issues at all lol
yep me too
@@boobman773 Most Jazz players use a 14x18. If you're in NY city and don't have a car, then it's a 16"
Yep, 18" sounds great.
My Gretsch 18 sounds similar to the bass drum intro in the Black Sabbath Iron Man song. It actually sounds like a bigger drum
Let's not forget that you can tune each drum to sound like a lot of things, depending on the kind of muffling, type of head, removing or not the front head. If you muffle a 22 and remove the front head, you can get practically the same punchy attack and smaller sound of the 16. And if you tune low an empty 18 with both heads on you can get a lot of bonham stuff if mic'ed properly. The beauty of drums and how they can be chameleons so easily. Not to mention the room mics and mics close to the beater head which change the vibe/body/attack perception drastically.
to an extent. Its a lot harder to tune a low drum to sound high then vice versa
Captain kiwi certainly a 16 won't ever sound like a 24. And yes a 24 won't sound like a ring-y floor tom. But, especially when muffled and closed mic'ed (not to mention the inevitable eq'ingof mixing), there's a wide variety of overlaps.
The thing about 24 and 26 inch kick drums is the ability to keep a low fundamental tone while having the batter head tension tighter than on a 22 inch or smaller. This gives a drummer more bounce off the kick drum head making it easier to play faster beats while keeping a low tone.
Each drum has a certain pitch or echo tone. It’s not just tweeting the head. If it was we could all use little drums and change the pitch. Like guitar string gauge
@@alexanderjamieson7971 interesting... one thing is for sure... despite playing drums for years, I know NOTHING after reading these comments... soooo much to learn... an only about a kick drum!!. crazy
20" is the ultimate versatile kick drum.
I would still say the 22" is more versatile because in a large venue a 20" would drown out. However I play a 20" are it is punchier than a 22" and it can fit in a small car easier for gigging.
You can’t really play jazz with a 22in but you can’t play rock that well with a 16in or 18in. A 20in has punch and can be tuned high and low for different styles.
@@Blaze_Drumz I believe old Slingerland and Ludwig jazz kits had 24 inch bass drums like the ones Buddy Rich played
I thought those kits started with a 24 and dwindled down to a 22 and then to a 20
I like 18, because I can mount my toms lower
16 wasn't so bad
It sounded the best and tight
Seems that it just a matter of how you EQ the sound, everyone sounded great. If you are on a small club its better a smaller one, and a good microphone well equalized!
@@M.S-Music no
@@Johann64 *O P I N I O N S*
@@brendan_dc nah
0:15 - 16"
0:47 - 18"
1:27 - 20"
2:16 - 22"
2:53 - 24"
Thank you.
@@yosyp5905 np
18" surprisingly cool. 20" fit the music best. 22" was a real let down and 24" sounded like a rock kick.
@fartpooboxohyeah8611 A year later: Woofy, no impact. Not enough bass, and not enough top end. Basketball effect in the mids. Not my cup of kick drum at all.
20" sounds more balanced between the kick and deep bass, seems to be more versatile. I really loved the sound.
20x17 and 24x15 were my favorites, but the power of that 16 is surprising.
The 20" has the most round / multi functional tone of of this group. It would work for most styles in just about any recording session.
you dont know shit though
lmao wot
LanceCampeau your screwed"20 pffft
I was hoping to see this done without holes in the resonant head. I could not hear any difference between the drums.
Sfm aight, let's hear what you know, 2+2 is 5 right?
The 24 you can use in a studiosituation perfectly...Lots of power depth and body and I hear attack too... But the 20 is the allrounder...
Jeroen Simons
20 is my all time favorite, but I love all those sizes. I have been using 18 lately and I must say, it is not limited to jazz and Latin work.
Depends on the drum room. 24s can throw a lot of shit around a room given the standing wave size. 16 or 20's are much easier to control if time is important.
My Tama Starclassic maple 24x18 is so boomy, but also has alot of attack which is good in a smaller setting.
Man, Im on a 24x24 virgin Keller kick and it sounds incredible. But it's a bitch to haul around. And for setting up at home, it's a problem.. gotta move so much stuff around. I wish I'd have ordered a 20 or maybe even an 18 so I could switch back and forth on occasion. My 24 is a beast.. it really moves some air around
That reverb on the snare pulling the whole groove together though
I play a 40 year oldish pearl export series cherry finish walnut drum kit. Still really satisfied with the 22’ bass drum. Favorite bass drum size.
I like the 18" bass for this tune and with that mic. It sounds tight and well defined. The 22" sounded mushy to me. Good video, must have been quite a lot of work, thanks for your efforts.
16” actually sounded pretty cool 😎🔥 20” had a nice thud to it
It's interesting that when you get past the 20 inch kick the sound is less of a round "boom" and more of a punchy "THat"
Is like all low end with a bit of really high thing
This is true but shell depth plays a huge part. The deeper the shell the more tone / boom. The shallower the shell the more attack. Look for videos which have the "gig kits" that have no bottom heads and very shallow shells or even those with bottom heads and shallow shells. You'll notice way more attack, and almost no sustain. I play a Tama Hyperdrive kit and the toms are purposefully like this with a lot of attack but still just deep enough for some sustain and good tone. I'm wanting to add a 24 x 16 bass. I want the "THWACK". I like the 22 x 18 bass but it's all booom.
For this style 20" sounds the best, I personally use 22x16, sometimes 24x16, pretty boomy with loads of attack. I play heavier styles so bigger kick can get tuned lower, thus gives some room for bass guitar and synth in that kind of mix.
Personally the snare sound like heaven to me 😍😂
This comment x2.
The 24” is my favorite, lots of power and punch. The well rounded ones to me are the 20”and the 22” BD’s
The 18" has some special punch and attack to it
I have been playing since the late 70's. The first kick I owned was a 24" Ludwig. Since that time I have played primarily a 24" with the occasional 22" in a random kit. However, the 24" is the most versatile drum by far. All of the right depth, punch and boom. All I ever get are complements on how great my drums sound and especially my kick. It doesn't matter what gig you are playing. As a musician, you should know to tune your drums once in a while to get the sound you need for the gig. :)
THAT 24 SOUNDS INCREDIBLE
16" and 24" are my two favorites. Those are the two punchiest with the fastest attack.
18" wins for this tune. Doesn't take away from the bassline and the smoother transient matches the other instruments better
I totally agree with this statement.
though modern kick drums often come with 22x18 (or 18x22 for you US guys), I tend to go for a 20" kick in the meantime. It often has the perfect combination of smack and low end. However, of course it depends on the occasion. Great comparison, guys.
Mike Luke That’s why I’m always confused with sizes the U.S. does the depth than the diameter. I’m so used to it being the other way even though I live in the U.S.!
Colin Williams Same.
I prefer my 14 inch electronic bassdrum Sonor AQ2. can use samples from 14 inch to 26 inch bassdrum samples.
With the 2box Drumit 3 module!
@@chicobellini6297 😴
@@Doer231 🤣
Really interesting comparison
I think it should also be noted that the *depth/length is crucial in the sound. It would be interesting to hear the difference between 14"-24" depths, on a 16"-26" kicks. That'd be the most ultimate shootout.
Matt van den Ham Yes, that would be a epic shootout. I kinda came close with this one: ruclips.net/video/2cLHqbEW9No/видео.html
I've used a 20 x 16 birch bass drum for years. Very versatile and I love feel and thump from this beauty!
I don’t know why 20 isn’t more popular. It seems to have a good balance of boomy and high end attack. Plus it makes rack tons easier to position than larger drums.
aesthetics
Personal opinion 16" and 24" both sounded great!
Ditto. I like the depth of the 24, but that 16 is so punchy and would work well in a track where you don't want or need sub-bass rumble out of the kick. The 18 is good too though.
Also 20. But for this mix it probably is the big one and the small one that mix best with the bass guitar.
18x22 is my top but also like smaller bass drums for their portability
While the music off i'm still kinda heard the bass(guitar), like it's in my head
0:10 - 16"
0:52 - 18"
1:34 - 20"
2:16 - 22"
2:58 - 24"
I did this in anger of yet another person on RUclips doing a comparison without using even half a braincell, but then I saw that he did everything right in the end of the video. I don't know why he didn't just do it like that the entire time, but at least he provided us with a means to actually compare the different bass drums. Although it was a bit of a pain having to fast forward every time the intro started :)
Thank you
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Chill out bud
Michael Caplin this comment was quite the ride to read.
Everything below 20" seems perfect for jazz, hip hop, and RnB. Everything above 20" is good for like rock or metal
and reggae
I have a 20 inch kick and it's the most versatile kick and I can get some of the depth and sound of a 22, just in a small package
And Orchestral music too.
I’ve got a 16 which i use all the time. It’s much more of a jazz thing though. Elvin used to play a 16
Excellent comparison of the different sized bass drums. You kept the tuning and mic mix consistent. You could distinctly hear the difference in tonality, sustain, and attack. Very clean demonstration...well done! 👍
I really liked the 20" here. Great demo and good playing all around
Wow great comparison. The 16 and 18 are so punchy for this style, they all sound great.. good playing too...
18x14 nice dry funky kick.
Different woods will produce warmer sounds etc. Also different drum heads and beaters will change the sound. It basically comes down to individual preferences.
Where's a 26 "kick drum to honor John Bonham?😂
Its in the making.
Vini Barbosa there is also a 28 inch Bassdrum.
@@reto_englertDo they make a video with Tommy Lee's 32 "kick drum? 🤣
@@viinnie800 I defenetly want to see that XD
Also Roger Taylor has that size.
18 FTW! It blended well with the bass guitar and had some nice punch, Where the 20 seemed to be fighting the bass guitar for frequency.
20 has some more "spheric" bassy "something" that blends best with almost everything. 24 Sounds amazing, but Id go with 20 if I needed a basic setup.
Thank you so much for this video!!! I’m about to buy a new kit for my apartment but since I don’t have much space I was thinking to buy the 16” one and I think I will!!! It sounds perfect even if it’ll be hard to get used to it since I know use a 22”
Once you stick a mic inside of a drum, it’s mostly beater sound with a slight difference in pitch. Do one with solid reso heads a few feat from the drum, only way to tell the real difference in diameter and depth.
Paul Bolin I hear ya. But the mic in the hole of the bassdrums is not really turned up that loud. The sound you hear comes from the LDC in front of the bass drums.
+1
Great video. Funny, cause I really enjoyed the comments and peoples opinions and rationale of each drum . It all boils down to just that, your opinion. They all sounded good. Have to admit, I’ve played a 16x22 for years, and recently have been playing a 14x18. The punch I get with the little guy has been pretty awesome. Mic’ing and the PA’s sub doesn’t hurt either. At any rate, thanks for putting this video together. 👍🇺🇸
I like 22" the most. It is the classic sound. I have 22" in my drum set.
I like that 16" one actually. Much punch for that size.
The mic loved the 16"!
This is such a cool comparison video! Love the thump of the 20"!
Glad you liked it!
I've bought and renovated a 28 inch bass drum with calf skin heads from the 1930s. I play 30s/40s dance music, so it kind of makes some sense. First time I played it though... was insane. I tuned it up the same way as I tuned my 18" and it was like an exploding cannon shell. I realised later that dance band drummers used to tune their bass drums really high compared to modern drums. It changes the sound , sustain and volume dramatically. (Big diameter tight rather than small diameter very loose). I think there might be a lot going on with tuning, heads, damping, microphone technique etc. that effects the sound, apart from just diameter.
I think the 22" sounds the best.
Definitely the 22 sounds deepest and most rich,
I would have thought the 24 would have been deepest.
I have a 22".
I have 2 22 inch kicks and they sound awesome
I have a 22” as well
I have a 22×18 (16 apparently i just thought it was 18 lmao)
Always loved 20 inch kicks. Get that umph without alot of overtones. Plus I feel it's easier to play. When I jammed with a 24 inch kick I felt I had to rely more on a double kick to do what I can do with 1 foot on a 20 inch kick.
For the music you’re playing the 16” and 20” sounds the best imo
I play a Ludwig maple with a 26x14. Semi muffled, mostly heel down. Southern/blues rock 3 piece group so it works really to fill in the space.
I’ve been playing 26 inch bass drums for so long I forgot how punchy smaller ones can be
I used to use 2 18s in double bass set up,I've always preferred smaller drums, 16 & 20s too..
That 16 was nice
20": most versatile... But I like 18" and 24" the most!!
18 cool and 20" Perfect versatile sound
the mix is great
18" achei muito bom, agora o de 20" pra mim é perfeito, nem falta nem sobra som! 👏👏
All of them have a port cut in the front and all have a very high attack for my taste. I have a 26 x 10 inch "shallow but big" without hole. The sound is perfect and it fist on my ramp with other drums so I can slide the set next to the sofa (that is why only 10 inches long). I prefer the "old" soft "boom-boom" sound anyway.
Erik Žiak thats awesome. I‘d love to make a 26“x11“.
I adapted a marching bass drum to fit my set. Added to tom-tom leg mounts, which attach to the ramp. I have a very unusual set, customized to my needs. Also I use the Vater vintage beater, which adds even more control over the bass drum, I can play it very gently and also very loud. It still has a nice soft sound.
Erik Ziak. I prefer reso heads without holes, too, but have got into some angry fights with sound men at miked up gigs. When I used to play rock gigs regularly I carried two heads, one intact and one with a port. I play jazz now, so am free of the tyrany of sound men who want the kit to sound the way *they* think a kit should sound ;)
I have that same problem regularly. Their job is to capture MY sound. If they can't mike a bass drum without a hole in it then that just shows how good of a sound guy they are :)
I have the same experience, but since I also worked as a sound guy, and I was obsessed with good sound of the drums as I also play them, I know how to mike drums. I told the sound men that I will place the microphones and then went up to him and told him to turn off all the compressors. He did and we made a sound check. He was surprised how good the drums came out.
16 and 22 are my personal favorites
Yeahh..viks..22" awesome bassdrum sound
20x20 kick is the dream size! Punchy and versatile
Love my 20 inch bass drum👌
The 16” is the ultimate for me 💯 💪🏽
I don't know if it was the Mike, but the larger they got the more "Papery" the attack sounded. To me the 20 had the best "BOOM".
They tune larger bass drums like 20" or 22" (jaw and with muffling) but the bigger sizes need a little more tension to activate de shell sound...
22 and 24 were honestly the only ones that could keep up with the bass in this particular mix, because the bass was quite loud. I think the 16,18,20 were just swallowed by how big the bass was.
03:30
The 16" and the 18" didn't have enough low end. There wasn't enough thump or thud to the bottom end freqs. The 20" was the first one that actually felt bassy. The 24" was my favourite, but the 22" was also nice.
I play on a 22'' sonor essential force stage s drive basedrum and it sounds really good
18 n 20 are the go to's for sure. I have a 24 at my church. Sounds great but don't try and pack it for gigs. Takes up too much space.
Man I like the 18” & the 24”, 18 is so punchy & 24 has a lot of beef!
I love that 16 and 18 🤙🏽
I've got both a 18" and a 24" kick. Both different kits. Both totally different animals. I love them both for different things
20" sounds best but I hate seeing the drummers knee...it makes it look like a child's kit (to someone who doesn't know drums). 22" also sounds very good, and aesthetically looks much better
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Had a 20 x 16 years ago best bass drum I have had
I use two 16x20” drums for playing metal live, and a single 16x22” in the studio. 24 has too much rumble for double bass, smaller than 20 has not enough thump. For other applications I could see using different sizes though.
I love the punch of a 22".
The thud of a 24"
I'm currently using a 26"
16 and 20 sound best in this mix. They stay out of the way of the bass guitar and sound really present. 22 gets in the way of the bass. 24 seems like it might be better if it were quieter.
Came to hear the bass drums, stayed for the awesome snare sound! :D
the 16 surprised me and the 24 was just deep
16,20,24 and the snare. Thank you!
I use a 26" x 14" Ludwig 3 ply maple. I have used 20,22,&24" kicks over the years but NOTHING else gives me the oomph and versatility of my 26". It is much easier to make a big drum sound smaller (tighter head tuning etc) than make a small drum sound bigger. It is PLENTY responsive too, and not what you'd think a big drum is like.
The 18 is my favorite when paired with this snare
24x for life, I have a TAMA Starclassic birtch in 24x18 and it sound like a cannon!
Ищу бас барабан для маршей. А тут великолепное сравнение размеров! Выбираю между 22 и 26, сейчас я понимаю, что моим сыновьям для моей волынки хватит 22 дюйма.
Спасибо автору!
18×14 my ears liked this bass drum. 😌
I like all of them but I know which one I need now thank you very much for this video it has helped me a lot
I like the 22” i feel like its boomy and punchy
I currently play a 16 x16 Gretch Catalina with 8" 10" and 12 inch toms with a Gretch 12 inch snare and the bass drum is punchy deep and loud. The bass drum is quite heavy more than the 18" Remo I used before.
I have used 22 inch bass drums that were lighter.
That 24” sounds the best
Truth.
Recommend you try a 28" marching bass drum...
Weareallbeingwatched ahhh I really want to!! Biggest I’ve played Is 22, I can’t get hold of any bigger that I can afford
Tom Smith I've seen 12x28" 1970s Ludwig marching bass drum shells sell on ebay for £60-80. You'd need to put some legs on it to make it suitable for kit drum use, but that's not a big expense or problem, and there is something to be said for the quality and durability of modern hardware.
Marching band equipment is extremely cheap compared to conventional "collectable" vintage kit drums.
Weareallbeingwatched thanks mate!!
Great comparison! And timely too as I just installed a studio subwoofer in my home studio. I have been doing nothing but studying the low end in general and the interaction of bass and kick in particular. If off now to run this comparison through the monitors!
Great job! Thanks!
The 22" was the best one in my opinion. Perfect sound for all types of music :D
the 16 inch is surprisingly nice
22' the best!!
Bro, try doing drum shells using cardboard and epoxy, use the same vacuum process they use for manufacturing carbon fiber parts.
Where's the 26 and 28"
Hans Vandrei Mabahague i have no 26“ (yet) but i just bought a 28“.
Oh cool
Boi get a matching 30" or bigger 😂
Jon Mall boi
I went from 22 to 26 and haven't looked back.
That 20"... sounds yummy... I love it!
So the real question is does size matter 😂😏
Gizmo 79 it does 😄
@@hectorbatera1994 ?
22inch always the best
I use 18, because of small size and I can put my toms low
@@andrewbrillant331 22inch bass drum is too big. I don't like keeping my toms higher than cymbals. Even 20 is too big. 18 and 16 inch rocks!! Best size for floor tom is 14. I never buy drums that are diffrent sizes than my current kit
All sound great! Cant really say one sounds better than another.
Wow, thanks!
22" would be my sound but they do all sound nice