Idk cymbals are too easy lol... Because its not like drums which are about attack, punch, pitch and tone...With cymbals you either have dry, bright, or dark. For me Sabian HHX and HH/ Artisan cover every genre. Even Thomas Haake use artisans for metal. And a brilliant darker cymbal will always sound better in heavier mixes than brighter brilliant cymbals these days because of updated recording techniques and style fads. If you do want bright cymbals, I recommend them with a natural finish, unless its a ride.
B Sure the plethora is massive, but it still comes down to those 4 ingredients with marginal variations in between. With drums, you can tune every drum differently, change the heads, change the micing, change the hoops, change the woods, or change snares. As a huge cymbal arrangement player, as much as different cymbals contribute to the music (you play them 80% of the time) it still comes down to only 4 variations with minor tweaks in sound between the series.Which is why most drummers have one of each from their brand of choices series. Dry, Trashy, Bright and Dark.
Hey Jessica. I found a very good deal on a bop kit. I am looking for a kit to play classic country and classic rock in small rooms and clubs such as your typical VFW or local bar. I think the 18” bass drum will work because it has an extra inch of depth (15” depth) and will have a mic in it. I’m also concerned about footprint on small stages. What are your thoughts? The drum in question is an 8 (maybe 6?) ply birch shell.
These people are trying to sell bass drums. They'll tell you anything! You can get many sounds from just one bass drum. The heads and the tuning are the most important things to consider.
@@alanduncan1980 and the touch of each drummer and if you play heels up or down and if you loose the beat of the bass drum pedal close to the drumhead or just far away and what you put inside the bass drum
Don't learn too much. Lots of gross generalizations. Charlie Watts used a 22" and Ringo used a 20", Ginger used both 20" and 22", and they are as old school classic rock as it gets. And if by Jazz you mean bee bop, then yes smaller kicks were used because they were easy to transport to small gigs, but 14" is abnormally small even for that. Older big band Jazz used the much larger kick drums described here as classic rock.
My male cat prefers a 22" sonor as an apartment and his meow sounds very warm and present in this drum. In a 26" Tama, Hugo, the name of my cat, sounds like an Indian tiger making children.
I had a black cat that loved my Rogers 20 x 20 ... It had a black reso head and a black cushion inside , of course one day I wandered into my studio room , sat down behind the kit and not even really starting my warm ups, hit the pedal ... They used to call those long kick drums ' cannons ' , it certainly discharged Sir Kevin in a manner most ballistic ... Sorry old pal
I got 24'in bassdrum/no wind hole on his reso/no dot batterhead BUT!! his sound always out like jazzy after every tuning i done. Even the big ringing like dong dong dong made me crying😭😭.
They still use pretty standard muffling techniques (a blanket or pillow), the cinderblocks are just to keep the drum from moving, since they tend to use smaller bass drums ruclips.net/video/LY-54Xo_Dl8/видео.html
I've kept a 5 kg weight in my bass drum for a very long time now. Don't know where I read this tip first, but it gets you a punchier, more powerful sound with less sustain. I wrapped the weight in a towel of course, so as not to fuck up the inside of the drum.
I can totally appreciate the general concept, these drums fit the bill for everything that was mentioned. I’m glad that they aren’t strict guidelines, though. I find that most of the studios I’m in these days keep a medium deep (ie 14-16” depth) 22” bass drum on the kit. I know I switch between a 22” and an 18” pretty frequently for jazz, funk, and rock. What I’m always bummed about, though, is how often 24” and 26” bass drums get put into a “classic rock” box. I used them in big band all the time. They really shine in that setting, arguably more than in classic rock.
Agreed. A lot of classic and modern funk, metal, and pop records were and are recorded with 14"x24" kicks. Even the muffling techniques mentioned aren't even close to being a rule of thumb. Single headed kicks with a packing blanket and sandbag were and are still commonly used for funk, metal, pop, & rock in a studio setting. Joe Morello used a 14"x22" for jazz and you can make a strong case that a 14"x20" was a more common size than 14"x18" in older jazz recordings. Ultimately, the variables of musical context, mics, room, songs, touch, taste, tempo, etc. determine what works. Tuning, muffling, microphone technique, outboard gear, room, and touch have way more of an effect than they're often given credit for. Trying to quantify and reduce it to being about wood type and kick size seems silly.
piratetwin totally. I mean, for beginner drummers this video is totally a cool place to start looking at sizes and get a really general picture of his drum sizes affect the music you play. Once you get into the more advanced players this becomes kinda moot. Tuning, muffling, and batter choice really become an integral part of sound, arguably more so than the size of a drum.
Honestly...it's backwards...Bonham idolized drummers like Krupa...that's why big drums and higher tuning....probably closer to say classic rock is the big band sound.
In my opinion the metal part is totaly wrong. You don't emphasise the attack with a deeper drum, quite the contrary. Birch is a bright wood, not dark as mentioned here. Otherwise pretty good video, certainly informative and to the point.
So, can i muskintape my bassdrum head and reso if i wanna get my sound? The pillow?? To me the pillows will made my bassdrum even more heavier. I move point to point for busking. Btw i'm kind new drummer. Seeking for advise and suggestions🙏🏻
This is really good, short, sweet and to the point, and Jessica's an excellent drummer👍Can you do a video for different kinds of snares and other drum parts, please😊
For stuff heavier then your run of the mill radio metal your better off with a 20" kick thats also shallow 14-16". Considering 99% of the time its triggered and stuffed tightly to get the best response and accuracy for triggers smaller drums with a tighter head is ideal. 18 would also work but heads kinda small so the beater is too high up.Using a riser would be needed but doesn't work is most direct drive pedals.
great video explaining kick styles. The Bang Drums channel has a similar series where they explore samples (played over the same song and solo) with both kick drum widths and depths and how they affect the sound tone and resonance and punch. definitely something to watch so you can be more sure in buying certain sizes of drums that you may never have heard before like used kicks from Reverb. I've bought a lot off of reverb and knowing everything about a product really helps you get the most out of your used gear searches
Yeah! Metal kicks these day are way too clicky for me. My favorite kick sound is probably from paranoid off of Black Sabbath, round 70s punch all the way
It's not just about the the actual bass drum but the tuning can contribute alot to getting the right sound you are after and dampening techniques and acoustics
@@TimeoutKB can i do both side low in tuning? Because when i put in high tuning it sound many2 ringing like dongdong😢. Even now after i tuning them low they still sound echo vs ringing vs dong vs gong. Btw my kick is 24inc diameter and 20inc length/Wood. What should i do to get sound like john bonham?🙏🏻
Not really everything. If you're into, jazz or vintage sounds you can get closer with a 22x14 or 20x14 that's got a 3 ply construction or something in that area. Gretsch, Ludwig, Slingerland, Rogers, etc. Used to have a DW performance 22x18. Great drum but very singular in tone and not really that controllable. When i play vintage kits like my 22x14 Meazzi Hollywood or 24x14 Slingerland, it's a whole other world. And they are quite versatile. The biggest difference is the warmth. You won't get the same amount of attack in lower tunings, but if you tune up a bit on the batter side they get a really nice attack. Depends what you like though. I HATE clicky bass drums, so having something vintagy gets rid of that problem. Also when i play live, I'll sometimes not even have a porthole. And instead dampen with felt strips and maybe a blanket or something in front of the drum. Kinda forces the sound engineer to think differently, and it gives me my sound. In stead of the sound the engineer thinks I should have, or the sound they always use.
A 22x18 is a one-trick pony, and I own one. It gives you a nice punch in the chest but I also have an 18x16 that I much prefer because I can tune it super-low and leave both full heads on (no port) with zero muffling in/on it. It’s much more enjoyable to play the smaller bass drum but it wouldn’t be the right sound for most styles.
@@larrytate1657 What type of shell is the 20x18? I have a Starclassic B/B 20x18 (using a Remo powersonic head) with a deceptively big range which I attribute to the types of wood being used, but I'm no expert.
You can use a 20" kick drum for technical metal. Higher pitch helps it cut through. Matt Greiner of August Burns Red uses a 20" and I loved his sound when I saw them live. Crisp but still powerful.
Around 2010-ish there was a popular American metal drummer who played an 18”, can’t remember his name currently. Going to have to go through old magazines when I get home to figure out who it was
I really wish these 'tutorials' would include the words "this is one/some ways to achieve these things, but CERTAINLY NOT THE ONLY way". I have 2 bass drums, an 18 and a 26. aside from getting them to sound exactly like each other, I can literally do anything and everything she's talking about with both. and so can you. learn your instrument, explore. you don't need 'this drum for that music' or 'that' sound. and saying you do is bullshit.
Exactly. More to your point, there are some metal drummers that use 24” and 26” kick drums that manage to cut through without any issues. The drums just sound deeper and less punchy than 22” kicks.
14 Diameter x18 depth is shallower? 18 depth is not shallow. That Jazz set up does not sound like the BD's I hear or play with on any Jazz sessions. It's all in the tuning. Maybe a 14 depth x 18 Di would sound better with the right tuning. Maybe that's what you guys meant to set up? I don't know if anyone else noticed the depth was 18 not 14. You can see that as well. That small size you used would be fun if tuned right and could work for Jazz and other styles but it's not the go to size.
ok im confused... I thought a shorter drum makes a shorter punchier sound... but then, "a longer drum makes it a tighter sharper focused sound?" (paraphrase)..the adjectives are still something i am learning as I acquire more listening experience... (the metal example though, that's what did it for me... im like, wait... what? EDIT: yeah wow... im farther into it and the adjectives of what "kind" of sound is being created in relation to the dimensions?.. obviously i need to just "use" my ears but, I want a shorter punchy sound and it seems like every example's description was practically synonymous with that i swear.
It’s hard one I want to pick the Bonham short and fat but is it practical. I know Brian Tichy and Ilan Ruben play bonham kits and they have the style I like to play, or try. Probably go for a more standard modern size in the end. If only could have two, one day.
I’m sorry but the snare tuning on the “jazz” part sounds like shit. The general jazz snare tuning consensus is “high and tight”. But “high and tight” doesn’t mean, pingy, ear bleeding overtones that ring out like hell.
Awesome video btw, I play alot of metal and hard rock. I use a Tama swingstar 22" x 18.5" with a speed cobra double pedal!! Love my speed cobra!! Looking to get new shells soon my tama swingstar is pretty old!! Great video!!
Me just before I clicked on the video, “I want to sound like vulfpeck”. 1:40 into the video “for a big sound with a big decay, like you would hear on vulfpeck record”. SOLD!
I read the title, wanted some kick drum, but i think i have a problem, first 2 seconds of video and only want the orange dress bonham signature ludwig vintage reissue she uses, help
Snare sounds really boxy...man, so glad my new band doesn't have a drummer! We're bass and cajon with two cymbals, nice and simple. Drummers tend to annoy me and my cajon player plays whatever poly rhythm I want with no messing around, even in complex time structures he's all over the groove. A tip: you can have all the great gear but a man with wooden box and mad skills will still beat an average drummer with $15K worth of gear. My bass player literally said: "with Zeb in the band we don't need a drummer!" and I'm like: "yep!".
All good advice, just to add the beater also makes a different sound, classic felt is most versatile but plastic and wood give a harder,snappier, attacking sound.Much cheaper than buying a new bass drum! I have to say after 20 years playing the single best improvement to my dream bass drum sound came from fitting an Evans emad 2 .Transformed my sound without changing my drum for sure.
Medium size of bass like 20 - 22inch is the best choice. Same as a snare must be 5'14inch and the hihat in 14inch. Dont forget to add tambourine and the cowbell. No worry to play..All types of music
I don't think I've ever heard of buying a kick drum for a specific sound. Different dum heads/beaters/tuning will make all the difference for that, just like the rest of the kit. A terrible kit can sound great with good heads and tuning
Great tip i learned i few years ago. Tune you're bass drum up! Never mind the size or depth. Tune up and try different heads on. Try no dampening, and all the dampening. You can get a 22x14 to sound huuuge if you use a powerstroke 3 on the batter and a coated emperor on the reso with no hole and no muffeling, while keeping it in a fairly high tuning. Take the same drum, same heads, tune it way up on the batter, and just leave a hint of bottom end in the reso, add felt strips on each side and it's funky as hell. dampen it even more with pillows or blankets on the outside of the drum and you can get a really tight, hiphop/lofi esk sound. So nice for a lot of more modern music. You can do the same with a 22x18, or a 20x16 or whatever. You'll head into difficult territory with a 24 or bigger kick. My tip there is to never go deeper than 14 inches. And just have an 18 or a 20 as a backup kick when you need something for a jazz ish gigg or a small room. If you only have an 18, same problem. Really nice sound, but often a bit difficult to get really fat, or really huge and boomy. The first thing is the batter head. Tuning it up is really fun, it can take away some of the attack, but give you a ton og tone, warmth, and way more dynamics. You can play super soft or super loud and there's still tone and some attack. The head is super important too. For a jazzy sound, go for a thinner, lighter head. A coated ambassador can do wonders (but you'll need to have the patch thing where the beater hits so you don't break it). Super easy to tune up and really punchy. The same goes for the emperor, but it gets a bit more low end, really the perfect fit for a Bonham esk sound. Super nice for that 70s pillowy sound. I use a coated P3 mostly, just durable and versatile. Can get a heavy, fat rock tone out of it, or a lighter, warmer jazzy type sound. The resonant head is even more important though. Go for an ambassador if you want to tune super high and have som dampening, or if you want to cut a hole in it. Go for an emperor if you want to keep the drum open (it's just a bit more controlled). A fully open kick with an ambassador head will ring for days. Always start with felt strips for dampening and add more dampening later if needed. The huge pillow in the bottom of the drum has a tendency to just kill everything that's interesting. Might as well trigger a cardboard box with samples. Avoid thicker, heavier heads on the reso, or heads with dampening rings. You'll very quickly find yourself having a bouncy beach ball sound in your kick. That nasty overtone stuff should be avoided at all costs. Thinner heads have less of that.
That classic setup sounded so dead and sad, I guess that shows the person’s style will always show through the gear. Also on those classic records, the snare was always pitched up quite high and minimally muffled, and the standard bonham “higher than you think” bass with felt strips.
the bass drum diameter is important but also the drumhead and the "touch" of each drummer and if you play heels up or heels down and if you loose the beater of the bass drum pedal close to the drumhead or just far away and what you put inside the bass drum also
Dear Reverb. Please do on choosing cymbal setups for certain genre
Zildjian A's for everything except metal. Paiste Rude for metal
@@Stem667 short and simple.. Thanks fam
Idk cymbals are too easy lol... Because its not like drums which are about attack, punch, pitch and tone...With cymbals you either have dry, bright, or dark. For me Sabian HHX and HH/ Artisan cover every genre. Even Thomas Haake use artisans for metal. And a brilliant darker cymbal will always sound better in heavier mixes than brighter brilliant cymbals these days because of updated recording techniques and style fads. If you do want bright cymbals, I recommend them with a natural finish, unless its a ride.
B Sure the plethora is massive, but it still comes down to those 4 ingredients with marginal variations in between. With drums, you can tune every drum differently, change the heads, change the micing, change the hoops, change the woods, or change snares. As a huge cymbal arrangement player, as much as different cymbals contribute to the music (you play them 80% of the time) it still comes down to only 4 variations with minor tweaks in sound between the series.Which is why most drummers have one of each from their brand of choices series. Dry, Trashy, Bright and Dark.
Can anyone fill me in on what sabian cymbals are like thankyou
My standard kit is a whateverIcangetmyhandson and sometimes I go to my veryshittydrumkit
Thanks for kickin' it with me Reverb
R u single
Hey Jessica. I found a very good deal on a bop kit. I am looking for a kit to play classic country and classic rock in small rooms and clubs such as your typical VFW or local bar. I think the 18” bass drum will work because it has an extra inch of depth (15” depth) and will have a mic in it. I’m also concerned about footprint on small stages.
What are your thoughts? The drum in question is an 8 (maybe 6?) ply birch shell.
@@babyblue7731 hahahahaha
You rock Jess!!
I'm not a drummer so I learned a few things from this video.
Tom Tobin you should totally consider learning drums, my friend.
These people are trying to sell bass drums. They'll tell you anything! You can get many sounds from just one bass drum. The heads and the tuning are the most important things to consider.
@@alanduncan1980 and the touch of each drummer and if you play heels up or down and if you loose the beat of the bass drum pedal close to the drumhead or just far away and what you put inside the bass drum
Tom Tobin I do not have eyes so I could not comment on this post.
Don't learn too much. Lots of gross generalizations. Charlie Watts used a 22" and Ringo used a 20", Ginger used both 20" and 22", and they are as old school classic rock as it gets. And if by Jazz you mean bee bop, then yes smaller kicks were used because they were easy to transport to small gigs, but 14" is abnormally small even for that. Older big band Jazz used the much larger kick drums described here as classic rock.
My male cat prefers a 22" sonor as an apartment and his meow sounds very warm and present in this drum. In a 26" Tama, Hugo, the name of my cat, sounds like an Indian tiger making children.
My cat hates my harmonica practice and literally comes up meowing at me to stop
don't ever get mad at your cats for being annoying.
i forever miss my cats beyond words.
I had a black cat that loved my Rogers 20 x 20 ... It had a black reso head and a black cushion inside , of course one day I wandered into my studio room , sat down behind the kit and not even really starting my warm ups, hit the pedal ... They used to call those long kick drums ' cannons ' , it certainly discharged Sir Kevin in a manner most ballistic ... Sorry old pal
@@weehudyy 😂
Head choice and muffling can get you very close to your desired sound without buying a new drum.
Skins have a lot to play and also tuning !
Bruce Hewat god damn right.
No, not if you have a 20 and want it to sound like a 26
But then Reverb can't sell you a bassdrum.
I got 24'in bassdrum/no wind hole on his reso/no dot batterhead BUT!! his sound always out like jazzy after every tuning i done. Even the big ringing like dong dong dong made me crying😭😭.
Vulfpeck literally uses a solid cinder block inside their kick drums
They still use pretty standard muffling techniques (a blanket or pillow), the cinderblocks are just to keep the drum from moving, since they tend to use smaller bass drums
ruclips.net/video/LY-54Xo_Dl8/видео.html
I've kept a 5 kg weight in my bass drum for a very long time now. Don't know where I read this tip first, but it gets you a punchier, more powerful sound with less sustain. I wrapped the weight in a towel of course, so as not to fuck up the inside of the drum.
Simon Phillips (in the Alan Parsons DVD’s) puts a large paint can inside his BD (the mics love it appaz)
What ever john bonham used
huge drums tuned sharp
And tree trunk drum sticks
Ludwig Vistalite
Best Comment Award...When the Levee Breaks...
big drums tuned high. hit hard and play rimshots on the snare. paiste 2002 cymbals
Everyone knows that to sound like Vulfpeck, you need to dress in your 8 year old soccer gear.
the pop kit sounds more like vulf than the funk kit does
I guess their sound is based on muffled kicks and snares and vulf compressor all tha way
You need to put your drumkit in 4th position.
@@shehranazim4784 don't forget e passive pickups
V U L F C O M P R E S S O R
Djazz drummer from the Rob Scallon vid?
Sure is! The Chi-town talent pool runs deep. :)
Reverb Wow, Jessica can do anything on the kit. On another note I Love reverb.
For it to truly be jazz, one must have one big ass kick (26) and one tiny one (16).
I can totally appreciate the general concept, these drums fit the bill for everything that was mentioned. I’m glad that they aren’t strict guidelines, though. I find that most of the studios I’m in these days keep a medium deep (ie 14-16” depth) 22” bass drum on the kit. I know I switch between a 22” and an 18” pretty frequently for jazz, funk, and rock. What I’m always bummed about, though, is how often 24” and 26” bass drums get put into a “classic rock” box. I used them in big band all the time. They really shine in that setting, arguably more than in classic rock.
Agreed. A lot of classic and modern funk, metal, and pop records were and are recorded with 14"x24" kicks. Even the muffling techniques mentioned aren't even close to being a rule of thumb. Single headed kicks with a packing blanket and sandbag were and are still commonly used for funk, metal, pop, & rock in a studio setting. Joe Morello used a 14"x22" for jazz and you can make a strong case that a 14"x20" was a more common size than 14"x18" in older jazz recordings. Ultimately, the variables of musical context, mics, room, songs, touch, taste, tempo, etc. determine what works. Tuning, muffling, microphone technique, outboard gear, room, and touch have way more of an effect than they're often given credit for. Trying to quantify and reduce it to being about wood type and kick size seems silly.
piratetwin totally. I mean, for beginner drummers this video is totally a cool place to start looking at sizes and get a really general picture of his drum sizes affect the music you play. Once you get into the more advanced players this becomes kinda moot. Tuning, muffling, and batter choice really become an integral part of sound, arguably more so than the size of a drum.
Honestly...it's backwards...Bonham idolized drummers like Krupa...that's why big drums and higher tuning....probably closer to say classic rock is the big band sound.
That snare she plays with the Rock and Pop kicks sounds insanely good.
In my opinion the metal part is totaly wrong. You don't emphasise the attack with a deeper drum, quite the contrary. Birch is a bright wood, not dark as mentioned here. Otherwise pretty good video, certainly informative and to the point.
Yeah, that was way off.
Choose the right heads and experiment with tuning and muffling to get the bass drum sound you want. You don't need to have multiple bass drums.
So, can i muskintape my bassdrum head and reso if i wanna get my sound? The pillow?? To me the pillows will made my bassdrum even more heavier. I move point to point for busking. Btw i'm kind new drummer. Seeking for advise and suggestions🙏🏻
This is really good, short, sweet and to the point, and Jessica's an excellent drummer👍Can you do a video for different kinds of snares and other drum parts, please😊
ruclips.net/video/vn_eBNJRpMo/видео.html
:)
For stuff heavier then your run of the mill radio metal your better off with a 20" kick thats also shallow 14-16". Considering 99% of the time its triggered and stuffed tightly to get the best response and accuracy for triggers smaller drums with a tighter head is ideal. 18 would also work but heads kinda small so the beater is too high up.Using a riser would be needed but doesn't work is most direct drive pedals.
More of Jessica, please!
great video explaining kick styles. The Bang Drums channel has a similar series where they explore samples (played over the same song and solo) with both kick drum widths and depths and how they affect the sound tone and resonance and punch. definitely something to watch so you can be more sure in buying certain sizes of drums that you may never have heard before like used kicks from Reverb. I've bought a lot off of reverb and knowing everything about a product really helps you get the most out of your used gear searches
I play metal but I like my kick to sound like a more like Funk kick. The “Metal” sounding kick sounds like dribbling a basketball on a gym floor.
THE SKULL BENEATH THE SKIN
Charlie Cisneros ayyyyyyyyyeeeee
Yeah! Metal kicks these day are way too clicky for me. My favorite kick sound is probably from paranoid off of Black Sabbath, round 70s punch all the way
@@Amarilliobrillo exactly. Like I get you want attack but some people go overboard.
Foeke Kik very true.
Ok but can we talk about how fat the snare sounds here?!
It's not just about the the actual bass drum but the tuning can contribute alot to getting the right sound you are after and dampening techniques and acoustics
tuning DOES get you there with the size and the shell material
For metal, punk, hardcore, pop punk Ect Ect, I’d recommend tuning the reso normally, but the batter head loose
@@TimeoutKB can i do both side low in tuning? Because when i put in high tuning it sound many2 ringing like dongdong😢. Even now after i tuning them low they still sound echo vs ringing vs dong vs gong. Btw my kick is 24inc diameter and 20inc length/Wood. What should i do to get sound like john bonham?🙏🏻
A 16 x 22 or 18 x 22 is great for everything, you really should look for something flexible if you want a studio kit to record with
Not really everything. If you're into, jazz or vintage sounds you can get closer with a 22x14 or 20x14 that's got a 3 ply construction or something in that area. Gretsch, Ludwig, Slingerland, Rogers, etc.
Used to have a DW performance 22x18. Great drum but very singular in tone and not really that controllable.
When i play vintage kits like my 22x14 Meazzi Hollywood or 24x14 Slingerland, it's a whole other world. And they are quite versatile. The biggest difference is the warmth. You won't get the same amount of attack in lower tunings, but if you tune up a bit on the batter side they get a really nice attack.
Depends what you like though. I HATE clicky bass drums, so having something vintagy gets rid of that problem. Also when i play live, I'll sometimes not even have a porthole. And instead dampen with felt strips and maybe a blanket or something in front of the drum. Kinda forces the sound engineer to think differently, and it gives me my sound. In stead of the sound the engineer thinks I should have, or the sound they always use.
@@kvistulv edge shape can matter too, I feel I can control a rounded edge more than a sharp bearing edge
A 22x18 is a one-trick pony, and I own one. It gives you a nice punch in the chest but I also have an 18x16 that I much prefer because I can tune it super-low and leave both full heads on (no port) with zero muffling in/on it.
It’s much more enjoyable to play the smaller bass drum but it wouldn’t be the right sound for most styles.
I have a 22x18 and 20x18. The 20 is a lil more versatile but for rock the 22 wins.
@@larrytate1657 What type of shell is the 20x18? I have a Starclassic B/B 20x18 (using a Remo powersonic head) with a deceptively big range which I attribute to the types of wood being used, but I'm no expert.
You can use a 20" kick drum for technical metal. Higher pitch helps it cut through. Matt Greiner of August Burns Red uses a 20" and I loved his sound when I saw them live. Crisp but still powerful.
david silvera from korn used a 20x16 kick
Igor Cavalera from Sepultura uses a 20 inch these days
Around 2010-ish there was a popular American metal drummer who played an 18”, can’t remember his name currently. Going to have to go through old magazines when I get home to figure out who it was
I really wish these 'tutorials' would include the words "this is one/some ways to achieve these things, but CERTAINLY NOT THE ONLY way". I have 2 bass drums, an 18 and a 26. aside from getting them to sound exactly like each other, I can literally do anything and everything she's talking about with both. and so can you. learn your instrument, explore. you don't need 'this drum for that music' or 'that' sound. and saying you do is bullshit.
Exactly. More to your point, there are some metal drummers that use 24” and 26” kick drums that manage to cut through without any issues. The drums just sound deeper and less punchy than 22” kicks.
Has more to do with head selection and tuning.
Great video! You should do the same with snare, toms and cymbals.
PS : When The Levee Breaks doesn’t work with a muffled snare
You can check out Jessica's genre-hopping snare video here: ruclips.net/video/vn_eBNJRpMo/видео.html
Neither inmigrant song
Also, When The Levee Breaks uses echo on drums, so what she played is incorrect.
My bass drum is a vintage Ludwig Olive badge 24", I didn't choose that size, as I bought from my uncle, who bought it used at a music store.
I like using a 24”x14” for my jazz/psychedelic music, I’ve never favored small diameter bass drums for jazz.
christoje no, not really.
christoje hopefully soon though
I think Tony williams used a 24 Bass drum as well as The Drum King Buddy Rich.
That snare sound is atrocious.
why
That 20" kick surprised me the most, man that thing sounds sweeeet.
I’ve always loved 20’s. 20x18” is a massive favourite of mine.
I have a 28x20 and absolutely love it
I'm not a drummer but I play drums on the keyboard and I learned nice tips from this video to put my kits together, thanks a lot!
when I think metal kick with "machine gun like attack" I think of Fear Factory's Demanufacture
Or powersifter
i have a 20x20" kirchoff casted acrylic shell bassdrum unmuffled but closed it fits all styles that i play cause i tuned it very specfial
My kit has a 16x20 bass drum but i don't really like the sound
I disagree with the Metal choice.
A 20" or 18" diameter for head tension with a 16" depth for punch would be a much better choice.
14 Diameter x18 depth is shallower? 18 depth is not shallow. That Jazz set up does not sound like the BD's I hear or play with on any Jazz sessions. It's all in the tuning. Maybe a 14 depth x 18 Di would sound better with the right tuning. Maybe that's what you guys meant to set up? I don't know if anyone else noticed the depth was 18 not 14. You can see that as well. That small size you used would be fun if tuned right and could work for Jazz and other styles but it's not the go to size.
So I guess Metal/double-bass is not really Jessica's thing ;)
ok im confused... I thought a shorter drum makes a shorter punchier sound... but then, "a longer drum makes it a tighter sharper focused sound?" (paraphrase)..the adjectives are still something i am learning as I acquire more listening experience... (the metal example though, that's what did it for me... im like, wait... what?
EDIT: yeah wow... im farther into it and the adjectives of what "kind" of sound is being created in relation to the dimensions?.. obviously i need to just "use" my ears but, I want a shorter punchy sound and it seems like every example's description was practically synonymous with that i swear.
It’s hard one I want to pick the Bonham short and fat but is it practical. I know Brian Tichy and Ilan Ruben play bonham kits and they have the style I like to play, or try. Probably go for a more standard modern size in the end. If only could have two, one day.
I’m sorry but the snare tuning on the “jazz” part sounds like shit. The general jazz snare tuning consensus is “high and tight”. But “high and tight” doesn’t mean, pingy, ear bleeding overtones that ring out like hell.
Do one on toms
Wouldn´t 20" be a good size for a beginner??? That is 20" 10" 12" 14" 14" set up???
Sorry to say it but, that double bass... uhm... yeah, you know... yeah... it wasnt bad but it wasnt good either!!
I like a big bass drum, coupled with a big snare drum. And a big ride and big crash. Lol😊
How about BASS drum…? I’ve never kicked any of my drums…..😉
MY GENRE???..............I must carry it onto a subway genre!!!!!!!!!!!!
I used to use a 28" marching band bass drum. If I could have found an even larger one (30-34") that I could afford, I would have bought one.
I had my drummer use one on a recording, hollow and boomy AF, tho it kinda did what I wanted
I had a single headed 32" stainless Ludwig marcher once. It was absolutely stupendous. Not practical but man was it fun.
I was so happy when u mentioned periphery 😆 they’re my absolute favourite band but I don’t know many people who know them...
Lots of people know them now, but still not enough, killer players!!!
Thanks for that awesome intro 😅😂 0:07
Awesome video btw, I play alot of metal and hard rock. I use a Tama swingstar 22" x 18.5" with a speed cobra double pedal!! Love my speed cobra!! Looking to get new shells soon my tama swingstar is pretty old!! Great video!!
One of the few pronunciations of Sonor that was somewhat correct 🤘🥁
I was going to order a 14x20 but after watching this I’m going with the 16x20! Great video
Excellent,Thank you
Jessica you’re so professional!
Hmmmmm. I preferred the 20”
Me just before I clicked on the video, “I want to sound like vulfpeck”. 1:40 into the video “for a big sound with a big decay, like you would hear on vulfpeck record”. SOLD!
😎👍Jessica ROCKS!
Oh yea, I have a 26" Craviotto.
It makes Bonham's bass sound like a floor tom!
Why does so much electronic music include a bass drum and none of the other drums?
I don’t see my 22x20 maple bass drum here... idk what genre I am anymore
No 24x14?
I prefer 22" kick drums... but I have a 16", 20", three 22" and a 24"... I love them all...
Pop... Steady as she goes anyone?
Swear to god, I was hearing a modified version of that opening bassline during her playing. lol
Pablo Elias yeah
Can you fill up the drum with water for proper muffling?
well well, about to record drums tomorrow, thanks reverb
That's triggered, so, this video wouldn't apply at all
The metal sound isn't really correct....
Kainan Chen sounds kinda better tbh too many drummers’ kicks sound like typewriters.
I read the title, wanted some kick drum, but i think i have a problem, first 2 seconds of video and only want the orange dress bonham signature ludwig vintage reissue she uses, help
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Hahahaha. All great drummers I've known are semi-insane too
Nice, would like to see one on snares too!
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1:45 oh gawd that's bad
yeah
Man that 20" Gretsch sounds superb.
I see what you did there 😂
Damn I would use the funk one in every other genre Xd
That is not for funk, too big sound, sound better on a 18” X 22” not that big...
Snare sounds really boxy...man, so glad my new band doesn't have a drummer! We're bass and cajon with two cymbals, nice and simple. Drummers tend to annoy me and my cajon player plays whatever poly rhythm I want with no messing around, even in complex time structures he's all over the groove. A tip: you can have all the great gear but a man with wooden box and mad skills will still beat an average drummer with $15K worth of gear. My bass player literally said: "with Zeb in the band we don't need a drummer!" and I'm like: "yep!".
Get a better drummer for the next demo 😇
Fuck it use jazz drums for rock
No love for the 20" kick
All good advice, just to add the beater also makes a different sound, classic felt is most versatile but plastic and wood give a harder,snappier, attacking sound.Much cheaper than buying a new bass drum! I have to say after 20 years playing the single best improvement to my dream bass drum sound came from fitting an Evans emad 2 .Transformed my sound without changing my drum for sure.
26inch is awesome, i realy need a bass drum like this
buy a 26 inch marching bass drum and then buy some bass drum legs and turn it into a bass drum.
26 at the very least
didnt expect those quick 16ths tho!
Medium size of bass like 20 - 22inch is the best choice. Same as a snare must be 5'14inch and the hihat in 14inch. Dont forget to add tambourine and the cowbell.
No worry to play..All types of music
That snare is annoying the hell out of me.
Boxy...
24 Tama Bubinga. That's some real kick drum. Another one is from the Yamaha PHX series - nothing matches the latter one.
Doesn’t Vulfpeck use a concrete brick as a bass drum? 😜 Good presentation btw!
What about a 28x28?
Nice drum nice drum
Nice drum drum drum
Nice video but I found the jazz sound least convincing. (Also the snare sounds like crap in this recording).
Generally I’d say there are no rules.
I don't think I've ever heard of buying a kick drum for a specific sound. Different dum heads/beaters/tuning will make all the difference for that, just like the rest of the kit. A terrible kit can sound great with good heads and tuning
Plays metal beat... Gasps... "Is that good enough?'... Exhales... Smiles... Ba-dum-ta!
She's so cute! >.<
Seems pop and jazz are her forte.
I just wanna hear her say "rock" and "genre" over and over again. It's like "rahk" and "jahnruh." Love it.
Nice drum drum
Great tip i learned i few years ago. Tune you're bass drum up! Never mind the size or depth. Tune up and try different heads on. Try no dampening, and all the dampening. You can get a 22x14 to sound huuuge if you use a powerstroke 3 on the batter and a coated emperor on the reso with no hole and no muffeling, while keeping it in a fairly high tuning. Take the same drum, same heads, tune it way up on the batter, and just leave a hint of bottom end in the reso, add felt strips on each side and it's funky as hell. dampen it even more with pillows or blankets on the outside of the drum and you can get a really tight, hiphop/lofi esk sound. So nice for a lot of more modern music.
You can do the same with a 22x18, or a 20x16 or whatever. You'll head into difficult territory with a 24 or bigger kick. My tip there is to never go deeper than 14 inches. And just have an 18 or a 20 as a backup kick when you need something for a jazz ish gigg or a small room. If you only have an 18, same problem. Really nice sound, but often a bit difficult to get really fat, or really huge and boomy.
The first thing is the batter head. Tuning it up is really fun, it can take away some of the attack, but give you a ton og tone, warmth, and way more dynamics. You can play super soft or super loud and there's still tone and some attack. The head is super important too. For a jazzy sound, go for a thinner, lighter head. A coated ambassador can do wonders (but you'll need to have the patch thing where the beater hits so you don't break it). Super easy to tune up and really punchy. The same goes for the emperor, but it gets a bit more low end, really the perfect fit for a Bonham esk sound. Super nice for that 70s pillowy sound. I use a coated P3 mostly, just durable and versatile. Can get a heavy, fat rock tone out of it, or a lighter, warmer jazzy type sound.
The resonant head is even more important though. Go for an ambassador if you want to tune super high and have som dampening, or if you want to cut a hole in it. Go for an emperor if you want to keep the drum open (it's just a bit more controlled). A fully open kick with an ambassador head will ring for days. Always start with felt strips for dampening and add more dampening later if needed. The huge pillow in the bottom of the drum has a tendency to just kill everything that's interesting. Might as well trigger a cardboard box with samples. Avoid thicker, heavier heads on the reso, or heads with dampening rings. You'll very quickly find yourself having a bouncy beach ball sound in your kick. That nasty overtone stuff should be avoided at all costs. Thinner heads have less of that.
Great tips Bjorn!
Glad someone finally accepted the 24x14/26x14 kicks don't work for pop, metal, jazz or funk and make sound guys living a hell.
That classic setup sounded so dead and sad, I guess that shows the person’s style will always show through the gear. Also on those classic records, the snare was always pitched up quite high and minimally muffled, and the standard bonham “higher than you think” bass with felt strips.
Can you please do a video for drummers who play Gospel music? Everything from Kick drum size to cymbal sounds and setups?
I’ve never heard Birch described as darker sounding. I usually think mahogany has warm and dark and birch as bright.
the bass drum diameter is important but also the drumhead and the "touch" of each drummer and if you play heels up or heels down and if you loose the beater of the bass drum pedal close to the drumhead or just far away and what you put inside the bass drum also