Idk cymbals are too easy lol... Because its not like drums which are about attack, punch, pitch and tone...With cymbals you either have dry, bright, or dark. For me Sabian HHX and HH/ Artisan cover every genre. Even Thomas Haake use artisans for metal. And a brilliant darker cymbal will always sound better in heavier mixes than brighter brilliant cymbals these days because of updated recording techniques and style fads. If you do want bright cymbals, I recommend them with a natural finish, unless its a ride.
B Sure the plethora is massive, but it still comes down to those 4 ingredients with marginal variations in between. With drums, you can tune every drum differently, change the heads, change the micing, change the hoops, change the woods, or change snares. As a huge cymbal arrangement player, as much as different cymbals contribute to the music (you play them 80% of the time) it still comes down to only 4 variations with minor tweaks in sound between the series.Which is why most drummers have one of each from their brand of choices series. Dry, Trashy, Bright and Dark.
Hey Jessica. I found a very good deal on a bop kit. I am looking for a kit to play classic country and classic rock in small rooms and clubs such as your typical VFW or local bar. I think the 18” bass drum will work because it has an extra inch of depth (15” depth) and will have a mic in it. I’m also concerned about footprint on small stages. What are your thoughts? The drum in question is an 8 (maybe 6?) ply birch shell.
These people are trying to sell bass drums. They'll tell you anything! You can get many sounds from just one bass drum. The heads and the tuning are the most important things to consider.
@@alanduncan1980 and the touch of each drummer and if you play heels up or down and if you loose the beat of the bass drum pedal close to the drumhead or just far away and what you put inside the bass drum
Don't learn too much. Lots of gross generalizations. Charlie Watts used a 22" and Ringo used a 20", Ginger used both 20" and 22", and they are as old school classic rock as it gets. And if by Jazz you mean bee bop, then yes smaller kicks were used because they were easy to transport to small gigs, but 14" is abnormally small even for that. Older big band Jazz used the much larger kick drums described here as classic rock.
I got 24'in bassdrum/no wind hole on his reso/no dot batterhead BUT!! his sound always out like jazzy after every tuning i done. Even the big ringing like dong dong dong made me crying😭😭.
I can totally appreciate the general concept, these drums fit the bill for everything that was mentioned. I’m glad that they aren’t strict guidelines, though. I find that most of the studios I’m in these days keep a medium deep (ie 14-16” depth) 22” bass drum on the kit. I know I switch between a 22” and an 18” pretty frequently for jazz, funk, and rock. What I’m always bummed about, though, is how often 24” and 26” bass drums get put into a “classic rock” box. I used them in big band all the time. They really shine in that setting, arguably more than in classic rock.
Agreed. A lot of classic and modern funk, metal, and pop records were and are recorded with 14"x24" kicks. Even the muffling techniques mentioned aren't even close to being a rule of thumb. Single headed kicks with a packing blanket and sandbag were and are still commonly used for funk, metal, pop, & rock in a studio setting. Joe Morello used a 14"x22" for jazz and you can make a strong case that a 14"x20" was a more common size than 14"x18" in older jazz recordings. Ultimately, the variables of musical context, mics, room, songs, touch, taste, tempo, etc. determine what works. Tuning, muffling, microphone technique, outboard gear, room, and touch have way more of an effect than they're often given credit for. Trying to quantify and reduce it to being about wood type and kick size seems silly.
piratetwin totally. I mean, for beginner drummers this video is totally a cool place to start looking at sizes and get a really general picture of his drum sizes affect the music you play. Once you get into the more advanced players this becomes kinda moot. Tuning, muffling, and batter choice really become an integral part of sound, arguably more so than the size of a drum.
Honestly...it's backwards...Bonham idolized drummers like Krupa...that's why big drums and higher tuning....probably closer to say classic rock is the big band sound.
great video explaining kick styles. The Bang Drums channel has a similar series where they explore samples (played over the same song and solo) with both kick drum widths and depths and how they affect the sound tone and resonance and punch. definitely something to watch so you can be more sure in buying certain sizes of drums that you may never have heard before like used kicks from Reverb. I've bought a lot off of reverb and knowing everything about a product really helps you get the most out of your used gear searches
My male cat prefers a 22" sonor as an apartment and his meow sounds very warm and present in this drum. In a 26" Tama, Hugo, the name of my cat, sounds like an Indian tiger making children.
I had a black cat that loved my Rogers 20 x 20 ... It had a black reso head and a black cushion inside , of course one day I wandered into my studio room , sat down behind the kit and not even really starting my warm ups, hit the pedal ... They used to call those long kick drums ' cannons ' , it certainly discharged Sir Kevin in a manner most ballistic ... Sorry old pal
For stuff heavier then your run of the mill radio metal your better off with a 20" kick thats also shallow 14-16". Considering 99% of the time its triggered and stuffed tightly to get the best response and accuracy for triggers smaller drums with a tighter head is ideal. 18 would also work but heads kinda small so the beater is too high up.Using a riser would be needed but doesn't work is most direct drive pedals.
This is really good, short, sweet and to the point, and Jessica's an excellent drummer👍Can you do a video for different kinds of snares and other drum parts, please😊
They still use pretty standard muffling techniques (a blanket or pillow), the cinderblocks are just to keep the drum from moving, since they tend to use smaller bass drums ruclips.net/video/LY-54Xo_Dl8/видео.html
I've kept a 5 kg weight in my bass drum for a very long time now. Don't know where I read this tip first, but it gets you a punchier, more powerful sound with less sustain. I wrapped the weight in a towel of course, so as not to fuck up the inside of the drum.
It's not just about the the actual bass drum but the tuning can contribute alot to getting the right sound you are after and dampening techniques and acoustics
@@TimeoutKB can i do both side low in tuning? Because when i put in high tuning it sound many2 ringing like dongdong😢. Even now after i tuning them low they still sound echo vs ringing vs dong vs gong. Btw my kick is 24inc diameter and 20inc length/Wood. What should i do to get sound like john bonham?🙏🏻
You can use a 20" kick drum for technical metal. Higher pitch helps it cut through. Matt Greiner of August Burns Red uses a 20" and I loved his sound when I saw them live. Crisp but still powerful.
Around 2010-ish there was a popular American metal drummer who played an 18”, can’t remember his name currently. Going to have to go through old magazines when I get home to figure out who it was
Great tip i learned i few years ago. Tune you're bass drum up! Never mind the size or depth. Tune up and try different heads on. Try no dampening, and all the dampening. You can get a 22x14 to sound huuuge if you use a powerstroke 3 on the batter and a coated emperor on the reso with no hole and no muffeling, while keeping it in a fairly high tuning. Take the same drum, same heads, tune it way up on the batter, and just leave a hint of bottom end in the reso, add felt strips on each side and it's funky as hell. dampen it even more with pillows or blankets on the outside of the drum and you can get a really tight, hiphop/lofi esk sound. So nice for a lot of more modern music. You can do the same with a 22x18, or a 20x16 or whatever. You'll head into difficult territory with a 24 or bigger kick. My tip there is to never go deeper than 14 inches. And just have an 18 or a 20 as a backup kick when you need something for a jazz ish gigg or a small room. If you only have an 18, same problem. Really nice sound, but often a bit difficult to get really fat, or really huge and boomy. The first thing is the batter head. Tuning it up is really fun, it can take away some of the attack, but give you a ton og tone, warmth, and way more dynamics. You can play super soft or super loud and there's still tone and some attack. The head is super important too. For a jazzy sound, go for a thinner, lighter head. A coated ambassador can do wonders (but you'll need to have the patch thing where the beater hits so you don't break it). Super easy to tune up and really punchy. The same goes for the emperor, but it gets a bit more low end, really the perfect fit for a Bonham esk sound. Super nice for that 70s pillowy sound. I use a coated P3 mostly, just durable and versatile. Can get a heavy, fat rock tone out of it, or a lighter, warmer jazzy type sound. The resonant head is even more important though. Go for an ambassador if you want to tune super high and have som dampening, or if you want to cut a hole in it. Go for an emperor if you want to keep the drum open (it's just a bit more controlled). A fully open kick with an ambassador head will ring for days. Always start with felt strips for dampening and add more dampening later if needed. The huge pillow in the bottom of the drum has a tendency to just kill everything that's interesting. Might as well trigger a cardboard box with samples. Avoid thicker, heavier heads on the reso, or heads with dampening rings. You'll very quickly find yourself having a bouncy beach ball sound in your kick. That nasty overtone stuff should be avoided at all costs. Thinner heads have less of that.
In my opinion the metal part is totaly wrong. You don't emphasise the attack with a deeper drum, quite the contrary. Birch is a bright wood, not dark as mentioned here. Otherwise pretty good video, certainly informative and to the point.
So, can i muskintape my bassdrum head and reso if i wanna get my sound? The pillow?? To me the pillows will made my bassdrum even more heavier. I move point to point for busking. Btw i'm kind new drummer. Seeking for advise and suggestions🙏🏻
All good advice, just to add the beater also makes a different sound, classic felt is most versatile but plastic and wood give a harder,snappier, attacking sound.Much cheaper than buying a new bass drum! I have to say after 20 years playing the single best improvement to my dream bass drum sound came from fitting an Evans emad 2 .Transformed my sound without changing my drum for sure.
Medium size of bass like 20 - 22inch is the best choice. Same as a snare must be 5'14inch and the hihat in 14inch. Dont forget to add tambourine and the cowbell. No worry to play..All types of music
Awesome video btw, I play alot of metal and hard rock. I use a Tama swingstar 22" x 18.5" with a speed cobra double pedal!! Love my speed cobra!! Looking to get new shells soon my tama swingstar is pretty old!! Great video!!
Having been a metal drummer of mainly black and death metal I have to say 20” kick drums are better. You can keep the toms lower thus allowing you to do more fills. 22” definitely have their place though. Dave Lombardo,Steve Asheim,Gene Hoglan,Pete Sandoval all used them back in the day. It’s all personal preference.
This was so helpful. Thank you for making this. A thought for another video: which kinds of patterns part well with the drum, and for which genres. Thanks again! 👍👍
Not really everything. If you're into, jazz or vintage sounds you can get closer with a 22x14 or 20x14 that's got a 3 ply construction or something in that area. Gretsch, Ludwig, Slingerland, Rogers, etc. Used to have a DW performance 22x18. Great drum but very singular in tone and not really that controllable. When i play vintage kits like my 22x14 Meazzi Hollywood or 24x14 Slingerland, it's a whole other world. And they are quite versatile. The biggest difference is the warmth. You won't get the same amount of attack in lower tunings, but if you tune up a bit on the batter side they get a really nice attack. Depends what you like though. I HATE clicky bass drums, so having something vintagy gets rid of that problem. Also when i play live, I'll sometimes not even have a porthole. And instead dampen with felt strips and maybe a blanket or something in front of the drum. Kinda forces the sound engineer to think differently, and it gives me my sound. In stead of the sound the engineer thinks I should have, or the sound they always use.
A 22x18 is a one-trick pony, and I own one. It gives you a nice punch in the chest but I also have an 18x16 that I much prefer because I can tune it super-low and leave both full heads on (no port) with zero muffling in/on it. It’s much more enjoyable to play the smaller bass drum but it wouldn’t be the right sound for most styles.
@@larrytate1657 What type of shell is the 20x18? I have a Starclassic B/B 20x18 (using a Remo powersonic head) with a deceptively big range which I attribute to the types of wood being used, but I'm no expert.
Me just before I clicked on the video, “I want to sound like vulfpeck”. 1:40 into the video “for a big sound with a big decay, like you would hear on vulfpeck record”. SOLD!
It’s hard one I want to pick the Bonham short and fat but is it practical. I know Brian Tichy and Ilan Ruben play bonham kits and they have the style I like to play, or try. Probably go for a more standard modern size in the end. If only could have two, one day.
Aw man, that first 24" Imperialstar kick was the first kick I ever had, and it HURTS how much I miss it!! Not to mention its beautiful floor tom, snare, and SIX concert toms!!!
I use a 1989- 1995 Pearl (Bonham -sized) 26” X 14” marching bass drum that I had spurs installed on it, converting it to a kit bass drum. It has the stock front head on it with the Pearl logo & a Remo Coated Emperor on the batter side. Both sides are have a felt strip under side the head for muffling purposes. I also have a 1987 Pearl Export 22” X 16” kick drum with Remo Coated Powerstroke 3 heads on both sides. I love the full bodied sound of the 26” X 14” kick.
the bass drum diameter is important but also the drumhead and the "touch" of each drummer and if you play heels up or heels down and if you loose the beater of the bass drum pedal close to the drumhead or just far away and what you put inside the bass drum also
One thing to note you can do all of these sounds on a single bass drum if you just change tuning, heads, muffling, beater and mic/ processing choice, its not all about having loads of gear. I guess Reverb aint gunna sell much if they say that tho, good video to compare the choices in shells
I use a 22” bass drum because it’s more punchy than a 20” or a 24” bass drum. I like maple bass drums because they’re versatile, they have a perfect balance of attack and sustain, and they will have more projection than mahogany bass drums. In my opinion, maple bass drums are amazing for classic hard rock and classic metal.
I have a 22x20 “cannon kick” that gives me much boom and punch when I need it. It fits in a standard drum bag & isn’t too cumbersome. That being said, I’d love a 24 or 26 just to have in the house. Great video! Thanks for all the examples. What heads are you using on each of those?
I've never heard Birch described as a 'dark tone-wood'.... It's often described as fairly bright in point of fact, and as having a 'pre -EQ'd' (mid scoop) sound. This is why it is often the choice of professional session drummers. Also of note is that there are exceptions to every 'rule' or guideline. I have heard modern 20 x 17.5 (Sonor) kick drums that sound absolutely Bonhamesque, as well as vintage 24 x 14 (Ludwig) that sound tight, punchy and controlled. Ultimately its, head choice, tuning, muffling, the room, and yes the drum (dimensions and construction), but most importantly the player that all work together to influence how (any drum not just) a kick will sound.
14 Diameter x18 depth is shallower? 18 depth is not shallow. That Jazz set up does not sound like the BD's I hear or play with on any Jazz sessions. It's all in the tuning. Maybe a 14 depth x 18 Di would sound better with the right tuning. Maybe that's what you guys meant to set up? I don't know if anyone else noticed the depth was 18 not 14. You can see that as well. That small size you used would be fun if tuned right and could work for Jazz and other styles but it's not the go to size.
I read the title, wanted some kick drum, but i think i have a problem, first 2 seconds of video and only want the orange dress bonham signature ludwig vintage reissue she uses, help
I’m looking for something that can play in the realms of Fusion, Funk, Jazz, Afrobeat, and Hip Hop. That general family tree of music. Brands aside (unless going brand-specific helps), are there any specifications in the dimensions of a kick drum that overlap those genres?
Yeah! Metal kicks these day are way too clicky for me. My favorite kick sound is probably from paranoid off of Black Sabbath, round 70s punch all the way
I really wish these 'tutorials' would include the words "this is one/some ways to achieve these things, but CERTAINLY NOT THE ONLY way". I have 2 bass drums, an 18 and a 26. aside from getting them to sound exactly like each other, I can literally do anything and everything she's talking about with both. and so can you. learn your instrument, explore. you don't need 'this drum for that music' or 'that' sound. and saying you do is bullshit.
Exactly. More to your point, there are some metal drummers that use 24” and 26” kick drums that manage to cut through without any issues. The drums just sound deeper and less punchy than 22” kicks.
Dear Reverb. Please do on choosing cymbal setups for certain genre
Zildjian A's for everything except metal. Paiste Rude for metal
@@Stem667 short and simple.. Thanks fam
Idk cymbals are too easy lol... Because its not like drums which are about attack, punch, pitch and tone...With cymbals you either have dry, bright, or dark. For me Sabian HHX and HH/ Artisan cover every genre. Even Thomas Haake use artisans for metal. And a brilliant darker cymbal will always sound better in heavier mixes than brighter brilliant cymbals these days because of updated recording techniques and style fads. If you do want bright cymbals, I recommend them with a natural finish, unless its a ride.
B Sure the plethora is massive, but it still comes down to those 4 ingredients with marginal variations in between. With drums, you can tune every drum differently, change the heads, change the micing, change the hoops, change the woods, or change snares. As a huge cymbal arrangement player, as much as different cymbals contribute to the music (you play them 80% of the time) it still comes down to only 4 variations with minor tweaks in sound between the series.Which is why most drummers have one of each from their brand of choices series. Dry, Trashy, Bright and Dark.
Can anyone fill me in on what sabian cymbals are like thankyou
Thanks for kickin' it with me Reverb
R u single
Hey Jessica. I found a very good deal on a bop kit. I am looking for a kit to play classic country and classic rock in small rooms and clubs such as your typical VFW or local bar. I think the 18” bass drum will work because it has an extra inch of depth (15” depth) and will have a mic in it. I’m also concerned about footprint on small stages.
What are your thoughts? The drum in question is an 8 (maybe 6?) ply birch shell.
@@babyblue7731 hahahahaha
You rock Jess!!
My standard kit is a whateverIcangetmyhandson and sometimes I go to my veryshittydrumkit
I'm not a drummer so I learned a few things from this video.
Tom Tobin you should totally consider learning drums, my friend.
These people are trying to sell bass drums. They'll tell you anything! You can get many sounds from just one bass drum. The heads and the tuning are the most important things to consider.
@@alanduncan1980 and the touch of each drummer and if you play heels up or down and if you loose the beat of the bass drum pedal close to the drumhead or just far away and what you put inside the bass drum
Tom Tobin I do not have eyes so I could not comment on this post.
Don't learn too much. Lots of gross generalizations. Charlie Watts used a 22" and Ringo used a 20", Ginger used both 20" and 22", and they are as old school classic rock as it gets. And if by Jazz you mean bee bop, then yes smaller kicks were used because they were easy to transport to small gigs, but 14" is abnormally small even for that. Older big band Jazz used the much larger kick drums described here as classic rock.
Head choice and muffling can get you very close to your desired sound without buying a new drum.
Skins have a lot to play and also tuning !
Bruce Hewat god damn right.
No, not if you have a 20 and want it to sound like a 26
But then Reverb can't sell you a bassdrum.
I got 24'in bassdrum/no wind hole on his reso/no dot batterhead BUT!! his sound always out like jazzy after every tuning i done. Even the big ringing like dong dong dong made me crying😭😭.
I can totally appreciate the general concept, these drums fit the bill for everything that was mentioned. I’m glad that they aren’t strict guidelines, though. I find that most of the studios I’m in these days keep a medium deep (ie 14-16” depth) 22” bass drum on the kit. I know I switch between a 22” and an 18” pretty frequently for jazz, funk, and rock. What I’m always bummed about, though, is how often 24” and 26” bass drums get put into a “classic rock” box. I used them in big band all the time. They really shine in that setting, arguably more than in classic rock.
Agreed. A lot of classic and modern funk, metal, and pop records were and are recorded with 14"x24" kicks. Even the muffling techniques mentioned aren't even close to being a rule of thumb. Single headed kicks with a packing blanket and sandbag were and are still commonly used for funk, metal, pop, & rock in a studio setting. Joe Morello used a 14"x22" for jazz and you can make a strong case that a 14"x20" was a more common size than 14"x18" in older jazz recordings. Ultimately, the variables of musical context, mics, room, songs, touch, taste, tempo, etc. determine what works. Tuning, muffling, microphone technique, outboard gear, room, and touch have way more of an effect than they're often given credit for. Trying to quantify and reduce it to being about wood type and kick size seems silly.
piratetwin totally. I mean, for beginner drummers this video is totally a cool place to start looking at sizes and get a really general picture of his drum sizes affect the music you play. Once you get into the more advanced players this becomes kinda moot. Tuning, muffling, and batter choice really become an integral part of sound, arguably more so than the size of a drum.
Honestly...it's backwards...Bonham idolized drummers like Krupa...that's why big drums and higher tuning....probably closer to say classic rock is the big band sound.
That snare she plays with the Rock and Pop kicks sounds insanely good.
great video explaining kick styles. The Bang Drums channel has a similar series where they explore samples (played over the same song and solo) with both kick drum widths and depths and how they affect the sound tone and resonance and punch. definitely something to watch so you can be more sure in buying certain sizes of drums that you may never have heard before like used kicks from Reverb. I've bought a lot off of reverb and knowing everything about a product really helps you get the most out of your used gear searches
My male cat prefers a 22" sonor as an apartment and his meow sounds very warm and present in this drum. In a 26" Tama, Hugo, the name of my cat, sounds like an Indian tiger making children.
My cat hates my harmonica practice and literally comes up meowing at me to stop
don't ever get mad at your cats for being annoying.
i forever miss my cats beyond words.
I had a black cat that loved my Rogers 20 x 20 ... It had a black reso head and a black cushion inside , of course one day I wandered into my studio room , sat down behind the kit and not even really starting my warm ups, hit the pedal ... They used to call those long kick drums ' cannons ' , it certainly discharged Sir Kevin in a manner most ballistic ... Sorry old pal
@@weehudyy 😂
My bass drum is a vintage Ludwig Olive badge 24", I didn't choose that size, as I bought from my uncle, who bought it used at a music store.
For stuff heavier then your run of the mill radio metal your better off with a 20" kick thats also shallow 14-16". Considering 99% of the time its triggered and stuffed tightly to get the best response and accuracy for triggers smaller drums with a tighter head is ideal. 18 would also work but heads kinda small so the beater is too high up.Using a riser would be needed but doesn't work is most direct drive pedals.
This is really good, short, sweet and to the point, and Jessica's an excellent drummer👍Can you do a video for different kinds of snares and other drum parts, please😊
ruclips.net/video/vn_eBNJRpMo/видео.html
:)
Vulfpeck literally uses a solid cinder block inside their kick drums
They still use pretty standard muffling techniques (a blanket or pillow), the cinderblocks are just to keep the drum from moving, since they tend to use smaller bass drums
ruclips.net/video/LY-54Xo_Dl8/видео.html
I've kept a 5 kg weight in my bass drum for a very long time now. Don't know where I read this tip first, but it gets you a punchier, more powerful sound with less sustain. I wrapped the weight in a towel of course, so as not to fuck up the inside of the drum.
Simon Phillips (in the Alan Parsons DVD’s) puts a large paint can inside his BD (the mics love it appaz)
I'm not a drummer but I play drums on the keyboard and I learned nice tips from this video to put my kits together, thanks a lot!
It's not just about the the actual bass drum but the tuning can contribute alot to getting the right sound you are after and dampening techniques and acoustics
tuning DOES get you there with the size and the shell material
For metal, punk, hardcore, pop punk Ect Ect, I’d recommend tuning the reso normally, but the batter head loose
@@TimeoutKB can i do both side low in tuning? Because when i put in high tuning it sound many2 ringing like dongdong😢. Even now after i tuning them low they still sound echo vs ringing vs dong vs gong. Btw my kick is 24inc diameter and 20inc length/Wood. What should i do to get sound like john bonham?🙏🏻
More of Jessica, please!
You can use a 20" kick drum for technical metal. Higher pitch helps it cut through. Matt Greiner of August Burns Red uses a 20" and I loved his sound when I saw them live. Crisp but still powerful.
david silvera from korn used a 20x16 kick
Igor Cavalera from Sepultura uses a 20 inch these days
Around 2010-ish there was a popular American metal drummer who played an 18”, can’t remember his name currently. Going to have to go through old magazines when I get home to figure out who it was
Still undecided on a bass, but I think I'm in love with that Chicago snare! Great video - thanks for sharing!
Djazz drummer from the Rob Scallon vid?
Sure is! The Chi-town talent pool runs deep. :)
Reverb Wow, Jessica can do anything on the kit. On another note I Love reverb.
Great tip i learned i few years ago. Tune you're bass drum up! Never mind the size or depth. Tune up and try different heads on. Try no dampening, and all the dampening. You can get a 22x14 to sound huuuge if you use a powerstroke 3 on the batter and a coated emperor on the reso with no hole and no muffeling, while keeping it in a fairly high tuning. Take the same drum, same heads, tune it way up on the batter, and just leave a hint of bottom end in the reso, add felt strips on each side and it's funky as hell. dampen it even more with pillows or blankets on the outside of the drum and you can get a really tight, hiphop/lofi esk sound. So nice for a lot of more modern music.
You can do the same with a 22x18, or a 20x16 or whatever. You'll head into difficult territory with a 24 or bigger kick. My tip there is to never go deeper than 14 inches. And just have an 18 or a 20 as a backup kick when you need something for a jazz ish gigg or a small room. If you only have an 18, same problem. Really nice sound, but often a bit difficult to get really fat, or really huge and boomy.
The first thing is the batter head. Tuning it up is really fun, it can take away some of the attack, but give you a ton og tone, warmth, and way more dynamics. You can play super soft or super loud and there's still tone and some attack. The head is super important too. For a jazzy sound, go for a thinner, lighter head. A coated ambassador can do wonders (but you'll need to have the patch thing where the beater hits so you don't break it). Super easy to tune up and really punchy. The same goes for the emperor, but it gets a bit more low end, really the perfect fit for a Bonham esk sound. Super nice for that 70s pillowy sound. I use a coated P3 mostly, just durable and versatile. Can get a heavy, fat rock tone out of it, or a lighter, warmer jazzy type sound.
The resonant head is even more important though. Go for an ambassador if you want to tune super high and have som dampening, or if you want to cut a hole in it. Go for an emperor if you want to keep the drum open (it's just a bit more controlled). A fully open kick with an ambassador head will ring for days. Always start with felt strips for dampening and add more dampening later if needed. The huge pillow in the bottom of the drum has a tendency to just kill everything that's interesting. Might as well trigger a cardboard box with samples. Avoid thicker, heavier heads on the reso, or heads with dampening rings. You'll very quickly find yourself having a bouncy beach ball sound in your kick. That nasty overtone stuff should be avoided at all costs. Thinner heads have less of that.
Great tips Bjorn!
I was going to order a 14x20 but after watching this I’m going with the 16x20! Great video
Jessica you’re so professional!
In my opinion the metal part is totaly wrong. You don't emphasise the attack with a deeper drum, quite the contrary. Birch is a bright wood, not dark as mentioned here. Otherwise pretty good video, certainly informative and to the point.
Yeah, that was way off.
What ever john bonham used
huge drums tuned sharp
And tree trunk drum sticks
Ludwig Vistalite
Best Comment Award...When the Levee Breaks...
big drums tuned high. hit hard and play rimshots on the snare. paiste 2002 cymbals
For it to truly be jazz, one must have one big ass kick (26) and one tiny one (16).
That 20" kick surprised me the most, man that thing sounds sweeeet.
I’ve always loved 20’s. 20x18” is a massive favourite of mine.
I have a 28x20 and absolutely love it
I was so happy when u mentioned periphery 😆 they’re my absolute favourite band but I don’t know many people who know them...
Lots of people know them now, but still not enough, killer players!!!
Great video! You should do the same with snare, toms and cymbals.
PS : When The Levee Breaks doesn’t work with a muffled snare
You can check out Jessica's genre-hopping snare video here: ruclips.net/video/vn_eBNJRpMo/видео.html
Neither inmigrant song
Also, When The Levee Breaks uses echo on drums, so what she played is incorrect.
Choose the right heads and experiment with tuning and muffling to get the bass drum sound you want. You don't need to have multiple bass drums.
So, can i muskintape my bassdrum head and reso if i wanna get my sound? The pillow?? To me the pillows will made my bassdrum even more heavier. I move point to point for busking. Btw i'm kind new drummer. Seeking for advise and suggestions🙏🏻
All good advice, just to add the beater also makes a different sound, classic felt is most versatile but plastic and wood give a harder,snappier, attacking sound.Much cheaper than buying a new bass drum! I have to say after 20 years playing the single best improvement to my dream bass drum sound came from fitting an Evans emad 2 .Transformed my sound without changing my drum for sure.
I like using a 24”x14” for my jazz/psychedelic music, I’ve never favored small diameter bass drums for jazz.
christoje no, not really.
christoje hopefully soon though
I think Tony williams used a 24 Bass drum as well as The Drum King Buddy Rich.
Medium size of bass like 20 - 22inch is the best choice. Same as a snare must be 5'14inch and the hihat in 14inch. Dont forget to add tambourine and the cowbell.
No worry to play..All types of music
Awesome video btw, I play alot of metal and hard rock. I use a Tama swingstar 22" x 18.5" with a speed cobra double pedal!! Love my speed cobra!! Looking to get new shells soon my tama swingstar is pretty old!! Great video!!
Having been a metal drummer of mainly black and death metal I have to say 20” kick drums are better. You can keep the toms lower thus allowing you to do more fills. 22” definitely have their place though. Dave Lombardo,Steve Asheim,Gene Hoglan,Pete Sandoval all used them back in the day. It’s all personal preference.
These kicks look and sound amazing!
i have a 20x20" kirchoff casted acrylic shell bassdrum unmuffled but closed it fits all styles that i play cause i tuned it very specfial
This was so helpful. Thank you for making this. A thought for another video: which kinds of patterns part well with the drum, and for which genres. Thanks again! 👍👍
A 16 x 22 or 18 x 22 is great for everything, you really should look for something flexible if you want a studio kit to record with
Not really everything. If you're into, jazz or vintage sounds you can get closer with a 22x14 or 20x14 that's got a 3 ply construction or something in that area. Gretsch, Ludwig, Slingerland, Rogers, etc.
Used to have a DW performance 22x18. Great drum but very singular in tone and not really that controllable.
When i play vintage kits like my 22x14 Meazzi Hollywood or 24x14 Slingerland, it's a whole other world. And they are quite versatile. The biggest difference is the warmth. You won't get the same amount of attack in lower tunings, but if you tune up a bit on the batter side they get a really nice attack.
Depends what you like though. I HATE clicky bass drums, so having something vintagy gets rid of that problem. Also when i play live, I'll sometimes not even have a porthole. And instead dampen with felt strips and maybe a blanket or something in front of the drum. Kinda forces the sound engineer to think differently, and it gives me my sound. In stead of the sound the engineer thinks I should have, or the sound they always use.
@@kvistulv edge shape can matter too, I feel I can control a rounded edge more than a sharp bearing edge
A 22x18 is a one-trick pony, and I own one. It gives you a nice punch in the chest but I also have an 18x16 that I much prefer because I can tune it super-low and leave both full heads on (no port) with zero muffling in/on it.
It’s much more enjoyable to play the smaller bass drum but it wouldn’t be the right sound for most styles.
I have a 22x18 and 20x18. The 20 is a lil more versatile but for rock the 22 wins.
@@larrytate1657 What type of shell is the 20x18? I have a Starclassic B/B 20x18 (using a Remo powersonic head) with a deceptively big range which I attribute to the types of wood being used, but I'm no expert.
Me just before I clicked on the video, “I want to sound like vulfpeck”. 1:40 into the video “for a big sound with a big decay, like you would hear on vulfpeck record”. SOLD!
Man that 20" Gretsch sounds superb.
It’s hard one I want to pick the Bonham short and fat but is it practical. I know Brian Tichy and Ilan Ruben play bonham kits and they have the style I like to play, or try. Probably go for a more standard modern size in the end. If only could have two, one day.
I just wanna hear her say "rock" and "genre" over and over again. It's like "rahk" and "jahnruh." Love it.
Can you please do a video for drummers who play Gospel music? Everything from Kick drum size to cymbal sounds and setups?
Aw man, that first 24" Imperialstar kick was the first kick I ever had, and it HURTS how much I miss it!! Not to mention its beautiful floor tom, snare, and SIX concert toms!!!
I use a 1989- 1995 Pearl (Bonham -sized) 26” X 14” marching bass drum that I had spurs installed on it, converting it to a kit bass drum. It has the stock front head on it with the Pearl logo & a Remo Coated Emperor on the batter side. Both sides are have a felt strip under side the head for muffling purposes. I also have a 1987 Pearl Export 22” X 16” kick drum with Remo Coated Powerstroke 3 heads on both sides. I love the full bodied sound of the 26” X 14” kick.
the bass drum diameter is important but also the drumhead and the "touch" of each drummer and if you play heels up or heels down and if you loose the beater of the bass drum pedal close to the drumhead or just far away and what you put inside the bass drum also
One of the few pronunciations of Sonor that was somewhat correct 🤘🥁
😎👍Jessica ROCKS!
Oh yea, I have a 26" Craviotto.
It makes Bonham's bass sound like a floor tom!
Glad someone finally accepted the 24x14/26x14 kicks don't work for pop, metal, jazz or funk and make sound guys living a hell.
Awsum, Jessica! Nice blend of sounds & variety. Love that 24-26 inch!
Love that 16x20 Gretch!
One thing to note you can do all of these sounds on a single bass drum if you just change tuning, heads, muffling, beater and mic/ processing choice, its not all about having loads of gear. I guess Reverb aint gunna sell much if they say that tho, good video to compare the choices in shells
Thanks for that awesome intro 😅😂 0:07
24 Tama Bubinga. That's some real kick drum. Another one is from the Yamaha PHX series - nothing matches the latter one.
I use a 22” bass drum because it’s more punchy than a 20” or a 24” bass drum. I like maple bass drums because they’re versatile, they have a perfect balance of attack and sustain, and they will have more projection than mahogany bass drums. In my opinion, maple bass drums are amazing for classic hard rock and classic metal.
22 by what? I have a 22x18 currently and thinking of going 22x14
I use 22x18. Great size for recording. For gigs, I will go for a 22x16 or 22x17
Nice, would like to see one on snares too!
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Excellent,Thank you
How did yall mix the snare (brown Chicago)? That was the star of the show!
Has more to do with head selection and tuning.
Can you fill up the drum with water for proper muffling?
Jessica you freaking rock. :)
jazz playing is definitely your strong point, nice!
well well, about to record drums tomorrow, thanks reverb
That's triggered, so, this video wouldn't apply at all
26inch is awesome, i realy need a bass drum like this
buy a 26 inch marching bass drum and then buy some bass drum legs and turn it into a bass drum.
Everyone knows that to sound like Vulfpeck, you need to dress in your 8 year old soccer gear.
the pop kit sounds more like vulf than the funk kit does
I guess their sound is based on muffled kicks and snares and vulf compressor all tha way
You need to put your drumkit in 4th position.
@@shehranazim4784 don't forget e passive pickups
V U L F C O M P R E S S O R
L.O.L. I was with you up to metal, clearly a fish out of water. you did your best
Can pretty much get any sound I'm going for with my 20×14, but I would like a 20x16
0:09 the look that says, “... THERE I said it...”. :D
Thanks for this. Very informative.
What hi has are those, looks like some paiste's. Maybe signatures?
this video is wicked, thanks!
I have a 22x20 “cannon kick” that gives me much boom and punch when I need it. It fits in a standard drum bag & isn’t too cumbersome.
That being said, I’d love a 24 or 26 just to have in the house.
Great video! Thanks for all the examples. What heads are you using on each of those?
I ve got Mapex Tornado. With 20"16" leg drum.
I prefer 22" kick drums... but I have a 16", 20", three 22" and a 24"... I love them all...
I used to use a 28" marching band bass drum. If I could have found an even larger one (30-34") that I could afford, I would have bought one.
I had my drummer use one on a recording, hollow and boomy AF, tho it kinda did what I wanted
I had a single headed 32" stainless Ludwig marcher once. It was absolutely stupendous. Not practical but man was it fun.
My kit has a 16x20 bass drum but i don't really like the sound
Man, was hoping to hear a country kick
Do one on toms
I wish you did a 20x22.
when I think metal kick with "machine gun like attack" I think of Fear Factory's Demanufacture
Or powersifter
I've never heard Birch described as a 'dark tone-wood'.... It's often described as fairly bright in point of fact, and as having a 'pre -EQ'd' (mid scoop) sound. This is why it is often the choice of professional session drummers.
Also of note is that there are exceptions to every 'rule' or guideline. I have heard modern 20 x 17.5 (Sonor) kick drums that sound absolutely Bonhamesque, as well as vintage 24 x 14 (Ludwig) that sound tight, punchy and controlled.
Ultimately its, head choice, tuning, muffling, the room, and yes the drum (dimensions and construction), but most importantly the player that all work together to influence how (any drum not just) a kick will sound.
I find it a tad darker than maple. In my snares and toms least.
14 Diameter x18 depth is shallower? 18 depth is not shallow. That Jazz set up does not sound like the BD's I hear or play with on any Jazz sessions. It's all in the tuning. Maybe a 14 depth x 18 Di would sound better with the right tuning. Maybe that's what you guys meant to set up? I don't know if anyone else noticed the depth was 18 not 14. You can see that as well. That small size you used would be fun if tuned right and could work for Jazz and other styles but it's not the go to size.
So good!! Thank you!!!! :)
I read the title, wanted some kick drum, but i think i have a problem, first 2 seconds of video and only want the orange dress bonham signature ludwig vintage reissue she uses, help
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Doesn’t Vulfpeck use a concrete brick as a bass drum? 😜 Good presentation btw!
I’m looking for something that can play in the realms of Fusion, Funk, Jazz, Afrobeat, and Hip Hop. That general family tree of music. Brands aside (unless going brand-specific helps), are there any specifications in the dimensions of a kick drum that overlap those genres?
12-14-20 sounds like your best best, will easily cover all of those genres
Now I feel like an expert on kick drums.
cool jams jburd
So the shallower the more melodic and longer attack?
didnt expect those quick 16ths tho!
I play metal but I like my kick to sound like a more like Funk kick. The “Metal” sounding kick sounds like dribbling a basketball on a gym floor.
THE SKULL BENEATH THE SKIN
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Yeah! Metal kicks these day are way too clicky for me. My favorite kick sound is probably from paranoid off of Black Sabbath, round 70s punch all the way
@@Amarilliobrillo exactly. Like I get you want attack but some people go overboard.
Foeke Kik very true.
What are those reverb cabinets in the background?
Dw acyrlic 24' thing ROCKS
Which microphones did you use in this please? In particular, the kick mic.
Gracias
I also wanna know ahahah
I’ve never heard Birch described as darker sounding. I usually think mahogany has warm and dark and birch as bright.
No 24x14?
I really wish these 'tutorials' would include the words "this is one/some ways to achieve these things, but CERTAINLY NOT THE ONLY way". I have 2 bass drums, an 18 and a 26. aside from getting them to sound exactly like each other, I can literally do anything and everything she's talking about with both. and so can you. learn your instrument, explore. you don't need 'this drum for that music' or 'that' sound. and saying you do is bullshit.
Exactly. More to your point, there are some metal drummers that use 24” and 26” kick drums that manage to cut through without any issues. The drums just sound deeper and less punchy than 22” kicks.
20” good for punk?
Wouldn´t 20" be a good size for a beginner??? That is 20" 10" 12" 14" 14" set up???
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