Why I took down the Intel video "Doesn't matter how FAST your CPU is if it feels SLOW"

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  • Опубликовано: 21 янв 2025

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  • @techyescity
    @techyescity Год назад +94

    Hey dude, don't worry about negativity, even If I walk down the convini 5 mins from my place, there will be some dude there with a drop face staring at everyone, keen to make their day nice and miserable.
    Bottom line, you can't solve everyone's problems, but you can sure at least try help, nothing in your previous video was sinister. If someone thinks your video is 'nonsense, not professional enough' etc., then they are welcome to make their own video disproving you. Though yeah my latency issues have been fixed since going to 10th gen plus windows 10. There is much more though than meets the eye however with these issues (literally at 1000 fps :P), and getting to the bottom of this rabbit hole is quite fascinating. I am just about there personally, and hopefully can help some folks along the way.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +15

      Thanks Bryan, pinning this again. You're not wrong man! I appreciate your thoroughness and dedication to the art/business. I felt I should at least clear up some of my mistakes in a repost. I sincerely hope that Intel, and Microsoft see some of this trash that's going on though. 35% of people having an issue is a problem, CPU issue or OS related. Thanks again man, looking forward to the next one.

    • @AshenTech
      @AshenTech Год назад +2

      im starting to wonder if its something with latency over the links between the I/O and cores, also im 100% on the fact some people just dont notice stuff like this due in part to how they use their systems, i have had people who never video edit claim thats not proof of anything...
      what sad is, i have seen worse latency results from modern chips vs older ones personally, and have friends who do their setup work on x299 setups, then have the actual heavy lifting for the job done on a 13th gen setup, but doing the setup work on the 13th gen is a much worse experience...
      "i dont have these issues" is something i hear alot... and "Good to know"... the fact some of us notice this stuff...
      its bad when a modern system feels less snappy then x58 or am3+ when overclocked... and i have seen it... felt it... and am glad i went x299, not the best, but, i mean 18c36t at 4.6ghz isnt bad, having avx512 makes some tasks quite a bit faster....
      that linus vid about cheap x299 chips got me started but... this delidded 7980xe cost me under 260usd recently, and the sellers still selling them, this things been fun... the 7940x i swapped out for it clocks about the same but needs a delid since it should manage better then a chip with all the cores and threads enable... the fact i got plenty of pci-e lanes, cores, and threads, im good till the 10980xe come down to around this price ;)
      either way... quad channel ddr4 lets me primocache my games drive that also holds alot of my games and apps, with an h20 as L2... well i dont need to spend on an 8tb ssd..8tb spinner with16gb ram and 1tb h20 cache, seems to work quite well, even for "ssd required" titles ;)

    • @Aliothale
      @Aliothale Год назад +1

      @techyescity Does this happen with 11th gen Intel? I bought a 10850k on Z590 with plans to swap to an 11900k eventually.

    • @CVLova
      @CVLova Год назад +1

      @@Aliothale dont downgrade to a 11th gen.

    • @Aliothale
      @Aliothale Год назад

      @@CVLova It wouldn't be a downgrade, It's strictly a gaming PC and the 11900k has better single core performance. The 10850k is temporary until used i9-11900k's are cheap. I plan to move over to the 11900k to enable the PCIE 4.0 NVME drive on the MOBO for RTX IO.

  • @hermanwooster8944
    @hermanwooster8944 Год назад +17

    I came across your channel because of that video. I'm looking at a potential Intel build for an office/creator platform in which the mouse would be affected, so that was super-helpful. You're doing a great job bringing this issue to the forefront and trying to isolate it. I honestly thought you had over 50k subs with that kind of content.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +2

      Appreciate the kind words, it means a ton. Yeah I wish I had a better delivery on the topic in the last video. There is still something that needs to be resolved, there were way too many people having issues in that comment section for it to go ignored.

  • @bikkies1295
    @bikkies1295 Год назад +7

    I used to have so many issues with my 13700k on a Gigabyte Z690 board. Latency would build up in latencymon, my mouse would stutter, USB devices would disconnect. All of my issues were finally solved by disabling C states AND upping the PCH voltage from 0.8 to 1.0v. It has been rock solid ever since. If I revert either one of these changes, the issues come back.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +2

      I have done the C states and parked cores, along with an undervolt. I wonder if there is a sweet spot based on silicon. I cannot find mine as of yet (insert joke). Probably going to scoop a 14th gen an see if any issues continue before giving up on the platform entirely. The 3 other PCs that had this issue have yet to be solved also. Appreciate the comment.

    • @Qalibra
      @Qalibra Год назад

      would love to see a video on the 14th gen@@techwandoUS

  • @AndyMutz
    @AndyMutz Год назад +6

    I've had my 12700KF running on Windows 10 for over 1,5 years now and I don't experience any kind of latency issues oder stuttering.

  • @1armbiker
    @1armbiker Год назад +9

    Just a few things I wanted to chime in on:
    When TechYesCity said that he got told the IO got moved off the die that means it would by definition not be on the same piece of silicon. With the current Intel chips it would mean that it would also have to move off package onto the motherboard as they only have a single die in the current CPUs. Now he/you are also correct in that Intel merged in the north bridge (important IO controller) a long time ago, but that only deals with the RAM, display outputs, and PCIe devices. The main connections from the CPU also haven't really changed on Z690 at least back to Z97, USB etc. have been on the chipset for a decade or more. The only thing that's changed is they doubled the width of the connection to the chipset on Z690. It's fairly unlikely they fucked up the chipset itself, but it is possible. All that being said here are a few possibilities in decreasing order of likelyhood:
    Intel Thread Director and heterogeneous CPU config:
    You now have two different types of cores in your CPU; ones that are perfectly decent, and ones that are pretty trash. There's a bit of hardware and driver "magic" going on to try and make sure important things don't go to the trash cores. Good luck with that. Android gets away with it because they don't really do multitasking, there's a clear line between active things and background things. Apple has a similar situation, but also use hetero designs on desktop OS; however they design the chips in-house as well as the entire OS, so they have much more transparency, and the say so to change the OS as needed to make that work.
    Easy test: Install on a 12600/13100 or lower, see if the lack of e Cores makes it behave normally.
    Issues with Intel VMD / RST:
    Volume Management Device and Rapid Storage Technology are both Intel driver packages that stand between storage and your OS, VMD is newer but seems to mainly be for RAID so it may be unrelated, but RST has been around for quite a while; issues with either of these causing the OS to wait on the drives can 100% cause the issues you're seeing.
    Easy test: Do an install of Windows on a disk with the motherboard set to AHCI mode and not Intel RAID / VMD / RST for the storage controller.
    Windows sucks:
    But you already know that, that's why you're testing Linux and why I put this at the bottom.
    Also it’s silicon not silicone (con as in con-man, not cone as in ice-cream-cone) silicon is the die material, while silicone is what’s used in stuff like caulking. 😛

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Thanks for the well written post, and yes I cannot say silicon for the life of me. I also cannot say cinnamon correctly either.
      I might be ripping apart my PC soon, I'll probably grab an i3 and test it out just to see how it behaves. The Linux install thus far has been very damaging on my workflow, I am halfway through a follow up video and experiencing issues, but I think it's more based on lack of knowledge about professional use of Linux. I am pretty good with it for basic stuff, but even trying to recreate scenarios has been tough, Davinci for one crashes when I have it open for even a few seconds (confirmed linux issue not PC)
      When I speak with Bryan about it, he's pretty done with the whole issue, basically moved on. I deep down believe there are issues with these CPUs based on his provided evidence to me though conversation. The people who said this quite literally are so deep into manufacturing that it's very believable. I wish I could go in more on it, but I'm obligated to keep my mouth shut about it.

  • @RichardPowell-o8w
    @RichardPowell-o8w Год назад

    Love your channel man. Just stumboed upon it and will keep watching you. Anyway take care.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Thank you, appreciate the kind words!

  • @filmexpress1029
    @filmexpress1029 Год назад

    Hey i have a mini pc whit intel n90 i use like server whit jellyfin but when i conect remotely is get slow the movie when wach is stop evry minute is the graphic card

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Sounds like some kind of Internet latency

  • @DarkStarProGamer
    @DarkStarProGamer Год назад

    Full respect, and hats off to you, sir. Subscribed and following now. Sorry to hear you experienced the toxic nature of our community, it has been that way since forever and will continue to be so.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Appreciate the kind words. Thanks for the sub! I just need a thicker skin to continue on this platform.

  • @Vili69420
    @Vili69420 Год назад +4

    my only issue with my 13700k is that sometimes when i quickly alt tab some of the apps wont load and i would miss the actual window that i wanted to switch on , and sometimes after windows loads up and and of my apps start loading like steam and discord , it would freeze the mouse cursor for a sec which makes no sense with an pretty fast m.2 and a decently fast 3600 cl 16 kit

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +1

      Yeah, this sounds very familiar. I'm sure it will probably do the same across other apps if you really get into testing it.

    • @Vili69420
      @Vili69420 Год назад

      @@techwandoUS the only other app thats giving me trouble is ida pro , since i do reverse engineering for living but im not 100% sure if its the app or the cpu 🤷‍♂

  • @Trusteft
    @Trusteft Год назад +5

    Good luck man. Just don't give up, but also be more like a scientist in your process. It is needed if you are not only going to do good work (videos on the subject), but also deal with the fallout.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +1

      I like that way of thinking. Always appreciate your comments bud!

  • @RarioTrarioWario
    @RarioTrarioWario Год назад +7

    I have a Ryzen 9 5900x and I used to have a RTX 2060 and it was very laggy and slow on both Windows and Fedora Linux, I tried a RTX 4070, same problem, I ended up trying my old R9 290 and those problems vanished, then I upgraded to an AMD RX 6950 XT and all my problems vanished and my PC is fast and smooth, and the thing I noticed is that all those Intel PCs that lag have an NVIDIA GPU so maybe try an AMD GPU and see what happens

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +3

      So I have swapped between a 6600XT, 4080, 1060, 2080, and the current card, the 4090 FE. Wasn't able to stop it from doing this. The Intel Arc PC I built that also behaved similar, is still performing the same way. This was across multiple different screens and resolutions with gsync, and freesync on and off. Appreciate the comment though, glad swapping solved some issues for you.

  • @oscarcharliezulu
    @oscarcharliezulu Год назад

    This is so interesting - thanks for discussing it.

  • @bdp-racing
    @bdp-racing Год назад +3

    I’ve swapped everything over between 2 computers except for the operating system and motherboard. The Z690 motherboard and Windows 11 has all kinds of weird glitches but the B660 motherboard runs as smooth as can be. I hope you figure this out because I’m about to order a new motherboard just to see if it is something to do with the actual motherboard or something on it.
    As for Linux, PopOS and Mint work better with the 12th and 13th gen. The older versions won’t connect to the internet on the newer motherboards so you might have to download the latest version or update drivers manually which is a pain with Linux.
    Glad to see someone doing more than just reviews and sales pitches

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Thank you, the plan was to Try mint for at least a few days (solid week or more) but I have heard Davinci has some issues on Linux, so I might need a side bench to continue workflow. Ideally a dual boot situation would be the best, but I am also trying to weed out anything that is causing all this hang up. Appreciate the comment.

  • @nasko235679
    @nasko235679 Год назад +10

    I know your pain because I have experienced the same thing with AMD GPUs. There are certain bugs that occur only with specific PC configurations (multiple monitors,different refresh rates etc) when using an RDNA 2 card and I've tried reporting those bugs multiple times but I always get insane pushback from what I'd like to call "anecdote Andys" that think that just because they don't experience an issue it doesn't exist. The reality is that when it comes to PCs people are going to have the craziest most random issues that are hard to reproduce because there are millions of possible configurations. Sometimes it feels like you're screaming into the void when you post on forums about issue X and Y and you always get the same questions "well have you tried reinstalling windows?" It just feels like PC hardware and its corresponding drivers has just gone downhill after the golden age of the 2010s. Last time things felt so lacking in quality was during the Windows Vista days.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +4

      I think that there is just too much hardware to optimize for these days, heck Asus has a new product everyday. My Nvidia card also does weird stuff with multiscreen (4090). Sometimes all the screens will appear tiny and or cut off (especially upon restarting) and I do the old "shift win control B" trick to restart the graphics driver and it fixes it. The stuttering behavior though is a new thing for me. It's not a flex or anything but I have sold 500+ PCs since 2012, and there has been a few that feel choppy or slow due to HDDs or some obvious slow down. Since jumping myself to 13th gen and having 3 other customer machines perform or act the same way as mine, really has me thinking something is up with the CPU and windows configuration. I have yet to figure it out, and it's been six months of trying everything. I think I'm just going to jump platforms tbh.

    • @nasko235679
      @nasko235679 Год назад

      @@techwandoUS If it's not working for you the best thing to do is switch. It doesn't matter how fast your PC is in benchmarks if it annoys you and is acting weird in the workloads you're ACTUALLY doing daily. I got a lot of grief when I made a post on a certain forum that I'm going back to Nvidia because AMD's not suiting my workflow. People take it personally and as an "attack" on the product. No, it simply doesn't work for me.

    • @Decki777
      @Decki777 6 месяцев назад

      AMD GPUs only have down clocking issues you can fix by installing minimum AMD GPU drivers, more power tools uncheck all DSs things and install more clock tool and set the minimum GPU frequency 100hz less than your maximum GPU frequency.

  • @StrixWar
    @StrixWar Год назад +2

    As I mentioned on the first video. If you are using ddr5 with your 12th/13th gen builds and have the stuttering see if it persists on ddr4 I’m using a 12900k with 32gb ddr4 3200 M/T and have no stuttering might be a ddr5 issue

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +2

      All 4 PCs that had the issue were DDR5, but I actually swapped back to DDR4 4000 CL 18 B/D on my personal rig. I had a few different boards but I currently have a Z790 A D4 in my personal rig. Helped a little, but not much unfortunately. Appreciate the comment.

  • @tones1971
    @tones1971 Год назад +4

    That issue with Windows Explorer taking a while to list files, i also get that and im on AMD 5900x. i assumed it was a windows 11 issue?

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +1

      I am not completely sure yet, happens on some systems and not others. You'd think it would be storage related. I spoke with the channel Graphically Challenged and he said he fixed it with the C state changes but it never worked for my PCs.

    • @RarioTrarioWario
      @RarioTrarioWario Год назад +2

      Used to have the same issue on my 5900x on windows 10 and I had an NVIDIA RTX 2060, I upgraded to an AMD RX 6950 XT and now it's smooth and fast, guess the problem is NVIDIA on AMD systems

    • @tones1971
      @tones1971 Год назад

      @@RarioTrarioWario Interesting. i am Amd CPU NVIDIA GPU.

    • @RarioTrarioWario
      @RarioTrarioWario Год назад +2

      @@tones1971 Yeah I'm starting to see this pattern a lot with amd cpu and gpu that lags

  • @ApexierGS
    @ApexierGS Год назад

    Oh wow I never, knew about this issue with 12&13th gen Intel CPUs and I came here to learn more on this issue thru your experiences so I know what to recognize and how to possibly tackle it.
    Also I saw a few dead Ryzen CPUs come thru on Greg Salazar scistudio channel. I believe that doing a Ryzen build and leaving PBO on auto boost is killing those Ryzen 3000 and 5000 CPUs like crazy voltage and amps figures that would make a CPU overclocker nervous, that PBO just applies in the BIOS without any consideration.
    I been running a Ryzen 3600 on home side computers at 4250Mhz on all cores 24-7 at 1.45v and PBO disabled, sadly I didn't get a good binned silicone were it can stay at 4300 or even 4400,4450, or , 4500 mhz for a 24-7 overclocks, my Ryzen has has been stable thank god thru all thos BIOS updates and DDR4 ram upgrades, first I had 2400mhz 16GB, then 3600mhz 16GB, and now 64GB 3200mhz kits and although I had RAM related bluescreens never a CPU fail bluescreen.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +1

      It's funny that you say that about the 3000 series because every one of those AMD CPUs that has died that has come through my shop has had PBO enabled too. It started becoming one of the first questions I asked before taking the PC in. As for the issues with 12th and 13th gen it's really one of those terribly hard things to figure out with my resources, and I wish somebody larger, even larger than Tech YES City would pick it up and talk about it. There are a lot of people that don't seem to be experiencing it but the 35% of people who commented having the same issue on the original video is pretty concerning which is leading me to wonder if there's some kind of silicon issue.
      Jaystwocents a while back had mentioned similar issues, but only used his home PC for streams and gaming, so I often wonder how much he would notice it.
      Also props for watching Greg too, he's great.
      Appreciate the comment.

  • @BreakingDimes
    @BreakingDimes 8 месяцев назад

    ik this video is somewhat old but disabling the igpu completely fixed this for me

  • @Berg085
    @Berg085 Год назад +1

    I'm considering a new computer sooner rather than later, and I was hoping to wait to see how the 14th gen CPU's do once they drop.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      I would say give Tech Yes City a follow and wait for a review. He's one of the few channels doing latency testing.

  • @Stashmyash
    @Stashmyash Год назад +2

    You've also got to check if the systems had Dramless/HMB ssds as those have higher seek latencies than those with Dram caches. This will compund.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Everyone of them was running a WD SN7/850 or a Samsung Pro 980

  • @Janzer_
    @Janzer_ Год назад +1

    Here's the thing about anything online, specifically RUclips comments. People don't see you as a person, they respond to a video and know there is a large disconnect so they don't respond in a way as if you were standing in front of them having a normal person conversation, so they'll be as inflammatory as they feel they can be. Your response is mature, and you're tackling issues as you are able. That's all that can be expected from unreasonable responses.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Very well said. You are very right. I had never really had a video go as viral as the other one. I wasn't ready for the high level of defense, which I should have expected honestly. It is definitely a learning curve. Appreciate your comment.

  • @sezwo5774
    @sezwo5774 Год назад +2

    Disappointed I did not see the video. Should have kept it up with a disclaimer. Anyway, subscribed.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +1

      Thank you, yeah I have thought about putting it back up. It was a bit too viral and controversial. Have you watched the Tech YES City video from a few weeks ago titled "Snap - The Intel CPU latency story"?

    • @sezwo5774
      @sezwo5774 Год назад

      @@techwandoUS Yes, that piece brought me to your channel.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +1

      @@sezwo5774 Bryan just released another one actually. Part 2.

  • @nick-dogg
    @nick-dogg Год назад +1

    This is my first time seeing your video. I wish I could see what you were experiencing. I seen a short clip in this video where your files were taking long to display. I wish I could be of help!

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      I recommend checking out the Tech Yes City videos on it. I can link you to them if you'd like. He actually put a clip of my setup in one of the videos, not a great example of it but it's there. Appreciate you.

  • @factsseeker3542
    @factsseeker3542 5 месяцев назад

    Its windows issue related to power saving, the windows lock p cores and only give access to e cores to save power, try installing 'park control' program then turn off core parking, this fixed the problem for me, the program also gives you control on how to schedule short and long threads.
    It amaze me how most tech tubers dont know about this and i found the solution only 2 weeks after i got 12700k.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  5 месяцев назад

      This is actually more or less related to the stability issues that are going on with Intel. This video is over a year old and I have already replaced that CPU as it started BSODing and degrading.
      I have some other videos up and back talking about core parking and all of that stuff as well.

  • @orman2222
    @orman2222 Год назад +2

    I just built a 13700k on an Asus z790 Hero this month. I'm upgrading from my Haswell 4790k on an Asus z97 Hero. Both run on Samsung 990 Pro SSD.
    I can't prove the latency is worse on my 13700k. But I definitely feel like my old Haswell PC feels "snappier" than my new PC. I almost feel regretful spending so much on this new PC build because I feel like I downgraded. Yes, I run Windows 11 on my new 13700k build and it might be part of the problem. I also can't prove anything.
    I don't play games as much anymore. Just very ancient games from the 90's and Starcraft 2. Yes, I'm an old PC gamer from the past. I do mostly server scripting and VM for a friend in an IT company as a side job.
    I am with you on these new Alder and Raptor Lake CPU. They seem to have latency issues and slower response times.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +1

      I'm sorry to hear that you are facing similar issues. Yeah it's pretty unfortunate that they feel as slow as they do at times. I just had a friend drop off two I9 13900Ks for 350 each, I won't even be bothered to take apart my loop and swap one in at this point (done it in the past). Both the 13700k that I currently have and the other CPUs I have tested, all behave the same in my experience. Others claim to have no issues whatsoever, it's possibly one of the hardest things to troubleshoot and film/prove on camera as well.

    • @j_shelby_damnwird
      @j_shelby_damnwird 9 месяцев назад

      ⁠Sorta like the morgellons disease of computers, huh?
      Now I'm weary of building my first intel PC (halfway through buying the parts) All those YT builder channels make it look like a walk n the park...

  • @bgreyspartan2484
    @bgreyspartan2484 Год назад

    I do notice stuttering in my basic use of my work computer. So do a few people at my job. I work in the IT department, and it is odd. We can't figure it out when it does happen. It is so inconsistent, and hard to understand what is going on.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Are they 12/13th gen Intel systems?

  • @Evenaardez
    @Evenaardez Год назад +2

    You are completely correct with this issue. It is not just Intel though. My 7950x3d has this stuttering issue. It may very well be a windows 11 issue. I get bad stutters even with sound issues when doing basic desktop tasks. I WISH I built this new computer on Windows 10, I should not have changed everything at once. I will say that while it was not fast, my 6700k on Windows 10, NEVER had these issues.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +1

      Yeah, the last video had quite a few comments similar to yours, mostly Ryzen 5000. There is definitely something really messed up in 11. I can't wrap my head around why one installation can vary so much between another depending on the system.

  • @Masaliantiikeri
    @Masaliantiikeri Год назад

    Windows 11 23H2 patch notes they fixed stutter bug in mouse driver if your mouse uses high polling rate. Btw no issues in Arch.

  • @jeffcoutre2913
    @jeffcoutre2913 Год назад +1

    Restart Signal RGB lol that’s what fixed the stuttering for me

  • @nsday1
    @nsday1 Год назад +1

    The stuttering is a LOT more prominent when you were using multiple screens, especially when you try to move things between screens.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Yeah I have noticed this as well. I can get it to do it on a single screen also, but your right. It's definitely worse.

    • @nsday1
      @nsday1 Год назад

      @@techwandoUS yea, using multiple screens is almost a guarantee that it will be noticeable, so it's a repeatable instance to prove it's a problem.

  • @cosmicusstardust3300
    @cosmicusstardust3300 Год назад

    I don't notice the latency and weird file manager delay issues at all and I have an i9-13900K.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      What kind of files do you work with?

    • @cosmicusstardust3300
      @cosmicusstardust3300 Год назад

      large files, small files and I'm also on Linux too@@techwandoUS

  • @Itz_littlebear
    @Itz_littlebear Год назад

    Can some one sum it up for me. Would a 12700k for gaming cause stutter or latency issues vs a amd cpu.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      You should be fine just gaming. This is specific to desktop use, editing, file explorer and cursor lag. Many people claim to have the issue, while many also claim they don't. I have no clear answer to why some people experience issues. Both AMD and Intel will provide a good gaming experience. I have had quite a few examples of the 12/13th gen (not gaming) experiencing weird mouse lag and strange desktop behavior with both tuned and stock settings. Others say their system is absolutely perfect.

  • @beetwing
    @beetwing Год назад +1

    This is the reason why I am keeping and always going back to my golden chip; 10900K DDR4 Bdie… anything above has latency issues and now with DDR5… it’s worst. Thanks to my 10 P cores

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +1

      Smart move. Might do the same if 14th gen doesn't fix anything.

  • @JrdN910
    @JrdN910 Год назад

    I have been experiencing the issue with the mouse feeling laggy and the explorer items list doing that weird top down progression thing, and it has been driving me crazy. I have a 12600k w/ 32GB 4*8 CL16 3200mhz DDR4 on a Gigabyte B660M Aorus Pro AX mobo. In a cool environment and runs a plex server 24/7 on Windows 11.

    • @JrdN910
      @JrdN910 Год назад +1

      Conversely I have a 5900X on a Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro AC and I think the motherboard is plagues with the early production chipset USB issues and seemingly other various platform issues, but otherwise when it works well (95% of the time) it rips.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      That same mouse behavior on the 4 systems I had mentioned here are across the board, all very similar in their random behavior. I have built quite a few Ryzen systems that I had never experienced the issue on. After the tech Yes City Video dropped I was convinced something was up.

  • @mingzhezhang2992
    @mingzhezhang2992 Год назад +1

    This should really be Intel's job to track down the culprit. They have tracing tools which will instantly tell what caused the slowness (e.g. SATA/NVMe controller interrupt came in delayed, etc.). Indeed, the delay caused by just moving the I/O hub out of the CPU die is at the level of nanoseconds.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      After still not solving this, and having tried quite literally everything everyone has mentioned. I put the old video up. Scrolling through all the comments, you'll see a lot of people with no issue, but the percentage (about 30%) of people saying they have these massive slow downs and same behavior on both versions of Windows is still pretty concerning. Might sound crazy but I believe they have some dud silicon floating around. Posted a more recent video with some small things that helped. About a day went by and the system had a way different experience a day later. The other two systems in the house don't behave like it at all. This is no flex or anything (I am still learning daily) but I have built over 500 PCs since around 2012. Many of them are high end esk loops, and I didn't see this until 12/13th gen. I haven't built all that many newer Intel systems I'll admit, many people were on a Ryzen kick for years. I personally swapped back to Intel myself. The point of the original video is to say that Bryan TYC has basically confirmed with this company (very reputable brand I cannot say) that they think while designing their product for 12/13th gen, that their cpus have an issue. He's kinda shut the door on it since making 5+ videos on it, which range from latency to other issues, but I feel Intel probably will push this under the rug if true.

    • @yues7910
      @yues7910 5 месяцев назад

      @@techwandoUS I can say responsibly that I also have input delay when using Win7 system + Z77 motherboard, and I also have input delay when using WIN XP.

  • @marcc5768
    @marcc5768 Год назад +2

    would be interesting to see if you notice the latency on linux. I'm using a x79 e5-2650 v2 xeon with 16gb ddr3-1333 ecc in quad channel. I run Linux Mint 20.3 on it, it's my office/work PC, no games. I have a Windows 10 pro PC for gaming. I'd like to know if you find latency issue on with 12th/13th gen with Linux.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +1

      Should have my new nvme this week and I'll be sure to try it out. Also going to run Mint. I'll post a follow up at some point as well. Thanks for the comment.

  • @iceresilient
    @iceresilient Год назад +1

    I had a similar issue, an come to find out it was the M.2 sn750 that was a problem. It went away when I installed a sn850x 2TB.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Kinda funny, also had a very similar with an SN850. Was my boot drive. Would spike to 90c randomly. Glad you figured it out.

    • @iceresilient
      @iceresilient Год назад +1

      @@techwandoUS And that is quite interesting you had an issue with the sn850. Because the SN750 is a ram less drive, which uses HBM for the whole caching process. As I was researching the problem, I came across a few websites talking about how ram less drives could have an issue with mapping. Which in turn, is responsible for the operating system and other items. From what I found sometimes-rimless drives are not able to do a proper mapping for the operating system which can cause hitching, FPS drops, and programs crashing. However, the “SN850X” is what I bought, and it seems to have solved the issues. Because it has a DDR4 ram on the drive itself which in turn allows an operating system to map out properly. Hence, 4K read and writes are functioning as intended now.

  • @adquestit6480
    @adquestit6480 Год назад +1

    Hey! since i moved to i7 12700 k the game grid legends stuters in online..in my old i7 9700k it was not.. i did try to swapm mother board the ram the cpu every thing, diffrent internet provider etc. conclusion is the game not working ok with the 12th gen platform. Anyways nice video and keep up the good work!

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      What are your other specs? Thanks for the comment.

    • @adquestit6480
      @adquestit6480 Год назад

      @@techwandoUS Prime Z690-A - ASUS 32gis adata xpg lancer 5200mhz msi rtx3070, Ive also tried it with z790 ax ud from gigabyte and board with i512600k dd4 same results and a diffrent nvme drive..hdd drive. it has been an year.. got used to stutters im done :)) Never tried it under linux tho..

  • @jowieonit
    @jowieonit Год назад

    glad I had the 11th gen, thought I was going to have buyers remorse because the 12th gen is so much more power efficient but having these issues made my purchase a good buy.
    New subed

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      11th/10th gen is still really good. Appreciate the sub! Thank you.

    • @HeartOfAdeII
      @HeartOfAdeII Год назад

      @@techwandoUS why almost no one mentions i9-9900K..? That chip is literally the latency king out of all of them :\

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      @@HeartOfAdeII The 9900K is definitely one of the best. I think the reason the 10900k/10850k is most popular in this topic was the 10 core aspect. For the first time "professionals" could purchase a non HEDT platform, get gaming and cores without latency.
      8 cores still seems to be the sweet spot for gaming.

  • @Qalibra
    @Qalibra Год назад

    Man I had the mouse glitching in the past too with a Ryzen 5 3600X and a 1080Ti but I did a lot of optimizations and bios tuning, I dont have that problem no more but especially the mouseglitch I experienced aswell

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Do you remember what solved the issue for you?

    • @Qalibra
      @Qalibra Год назад

      I did a bunch of tweaks to registry, windows 10 debloat, bios tweaks and yeah but cant remember what exactly fixed it from this points but especially I noticed it from the mouse that it had these stutters like in the video
      most likely something from the optimizationsmight have helped me but I cant say what exactly@@techwandoUS

  • @OptimizingNetwork
    @OptimizingNetwork Год назад

    I see tons of stutter on 13900k.
    I changed to another 13900k, changed ram, tuned ram, tried 3rd ram set, moved 4 motherboards, and tried different M.2 drives.
    Same issues. I will start at the game and will stutter in games, but then it will be amazingly smooth, and then stutters come back. Be that 4080/4090, it doesn't matter
    7900xtx also stutters with 13900k. Shrug
    I found some solution to stutter, you can find it on my channel, but they don't get rid of it completely
    It's visual. I also went back to watching my old i9-9900k footage with GTX 1080 and RTX 3070, and I see almost none at all. I was amazed.
    Another crazy issue is that I noticed games can be hovering in 300-500 fps range, then it plummets to 120-160 fps and stays there, and it's 2018 games.
    I can't explain it.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      It's so interesting how everyone's experiences seem to vary so differently. Appreciate you sharing. What are the games from 2018 or older titles in general that suffer the most?

  • @Lazllb
    @Lazllb Год назад

    That’s sad to hear about the situation leading to you take down the video. I do understand though, not having the complete picture or any concrete evidence to backup these claims.
    I too started thinking about the OS and its role in the stuttering issue. I think the whole P and E core concept is still very new and I’d imagine there’s so edge cases in the software that users experience every now and then, at least it’s very possible and probably the most likely fix for this issue.
    There are some tests we can try, including testing on Linux which I am going to do as well on my main machine. I’m also wondering whether or not disabling the E cores resolves the issues or not. Hopefully you come up with some new interesting information soon!

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      I plan to try Mint for at least a week to see if the machine stutters using it. I have heard that Linux and Davinci have quite a few issues though. So it will depend heavily on how much it messes with my workflow. I edit more than just YT stuff there.
      Hopefully we can all figure this out soon. I have been highly considering going back to an older platform.
      Thanks for your comment man.

  • @paulsenjohannes
    @paulsenjohannes Год назад

    I am running an Intel 11600k processor. I have not noticed any slowdown. Can this be corrected with a firmware update?

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      10th/11th gen were the original CPUs suggested to get around the issue. So if the IO theory is true, you wouldn't have any issues on a 10600k.

  • @j_shelby_damnwird
    @j_shelby_damnwird 9 месяцев назад

    First time building a PC here --and I decided to build it around an 13700k. This is just fantastic 🤦🏻

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  9 месяцев назад

      You might get lucky with your processor, many people say they do not experience these issues.

    • @j_shelby_damnwird
      @j_shelby_damnwird 9 месяцев назад

      @@techwandoUS CPU lottery! 🥲🤞

  • @nigelwright7557
    @nigelwright7557 Год назад

    Stuttering can be a few things. CPU, DRAM, motherboard chip set and video card/IGPU. Even the monitor has latency.

  • @ErockOnTech
    @ErockOnTech Год назад

    Man don't even worry about the haters. I remember feeling that way too for a while. Now I just ignore the comment or clap back. Anytime you say something that goes against the grain, you will get negativity. That is how it works sadly. Also, negative content or controversial content is what sadly gets the views. Positive content is not well liked. I truly hate that. I always ask myself this before publishing. Am I happy with the edit/quality of the video? Do I truly believe what I am saying? Is this as accurate as possible to the best of my knowledge? If all 3 are true, I hit upload and ignore the hate. I appreciate you bringing this to my attention. When I do my 14700K video, I will totally reference this and shout you and Bryan out for sure. So far I haven't noticed any latency issues in Windows. I have noticed a downgrade in Davinci Resolve unfortunately. I can also say that I think you're right about Windows being a culprit. Windows 11 is a hog and I constantly have issues. With both Ryzen and Intel, I have now reinstalled Windows numerous times. Windows 11 is far from innocent here. As you said, in gaming everything is fine. Keep up the good work man!

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Appreciate you man, that's a great practice you have there with your steps before content release. Going to definitely think about that more often before any video release.
      This one was pretty huge for me, I went from a 3950X setup with Windows 11 to the 13700K (multiple fresh installs).
      As days went on I started to notice this unstable behavior, honestly it's not even deal breaking, more or less just annoying. I replaced pretty much every component multiple times, nothing made it smoother (mostly cursor lag at random times not gaming).
      The strange thing is that it's not every single PC that I've had hooked up here from 12/13/14th gen architecture.
      I'm a local seller so I come across tons of different computers and resell them quite often. Even since this video I have seen a few some that have similar behavior, and others that don't.
      I even went down the rabbit hole of thinking I have dirty power in my house and bought a bunch of useless power converters to try to offset it after reading a massive article on BlurBusters (you should actually check it out).
      I thought about making a video on it too, but it was far too controversial, and honestly I am not an electrician or have an engineering degree in that field.
      Seeing I'm not going to run out and buy a whole bunch of processors to try this theory due to the cost, but I'm pretty sure that there's a deep CPU level silicon difference that may be occurring.
      The reason I never made a follow-up video on this topic after this was simply because it's so hard to replicate and show latency to an audience. As much as I love talking to Bryan about it, even his methods are constantly questioned, but both him and I agree something is up with some* of them. When he told me about the company who mentioned they believed the same thing, I went all in on this because of the endless months of troubleshooting.
      I guess it's just wild to me because I've been selling computers since 2012 and I've really never had any behavior like this that wasn't solvable.
      I'm happy to hear that you haven't had any of these experiences though. Can't wait for the 14th gen video man!

  • @raymondhachmishvili2483
    @raymondhachmishvili2483 Год назад

    Is that IO thing the same for 11th gen intel CPU?

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      They are both supposed to be monolithic, but one has a Frankensteined IO driver according to Tech Yes City and his source. Yours shouldn't have the same issue, if even this is the root of it all.

    • @raymondhachmishvili2483
      @raymondhachmishvili2483 Год назад

      @@techwandoUS thx.
      My brothers 9900 i9 feels way more zippier than my 11700kf.

  • @facebookjunkgames6402
    @facebookjunkgames6402 Год назад +2

    IDK. But i now Own 2 13900k systems both use ddr4. Both with win 11, one pro, one home. 1 has 4090, 1 has 3060ti . Both have demonstrated weird studder. I can reproduce it more often when opening word. but i really notice it sometimes when i click on any desktop icon "sometimes" it will wait seconds till the computer says i (single clicked) on the icon. Sometime long enough to make me think i didnt click on the icon in the first place. I'm not happy. something is going on.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Something is definitely up. I have done every possible thing, made some follow up videos too. Replaced almost every piece of hardware. Tech Yes and the brand who claimed they have issues is on to something. In my opinion.

  • @Jefferson-kd6it
    @Jefferson-kd6it Год назад +1

    Hello, i watched your videos and i have to say i upgraded from 10900k to 12900ks and also w10 to w11 on the same upgrade. now yes 12900ks feels noticeable better and faster in every way, but 1 thing i have notice is this thing that might be on what ur refering to , i first thought it was a w11 issue but it seems from your videos is not . well the issue is that if i like walk away from my pc or afk from pc and come back instantly my mouse moves all perfect no lag but , if i try to click on something to open or anything it doesnt respond for like 2-5 secs give or take like some sort of LAG or time it takes for it to warm up i guess idk , but once u are clicking away opening stuff its all good all fast and perfect until times u open some programs or every now and thn same thing happens in the middle of working where doesnt really register ur input for a 2-5secs thn all fast and good again. i thought it was my w10 to w11 change that was causing this but seems like it was my cpu upgrade lol . thank you for your videos love to be informed

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Thanks for the comment man, so you said that you purposely upgraded your windows from 10 to 11 when you got the new CPU but it performed the same way with that slight lag occasionally?

    • @Jefferson-kd6it
      @Jefferson-kd6it Год назад

      @@techwandoUS i did the upgrade all at once. from 10900k w10 to. 12900ks w11 . now i just recently got a 4090 strix and i was having also stuttering issues in gaming with the 4090. after looking somethings up online i disabled resizeable BAR on the bios , and stuttering went away in games. but ithink that was just something otally different because it ws some games only .

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      @@Jefferson-kd6it resizeable bar is also used heavily on testing with most benchmark channels. It can have a decent impact being off sadly.

  • @santiagocastro6701
    @santiagocastro6701 Год назад

    i use linux and can say that i learned a lot and there are things that work in some weird way in windows that in linux don't and viceversa, the way both work inside is very different and i tell you not because i worked before for either of both, if not it is entirely for my own experience

  • @marufulislam4311
    @marufulislam4311 Год назад +1

    i commented on previous video. id say it again. i dont face this issue in i3 12100. preety sure 12400/13100 doesn't have this issue. it has to be something to do e cores

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Thanks for commenting here. It could be. Possibly adds some sort of latency or delay to the OS. Can't seem to figure out why turning them off though doesn't improve performance.

  • @crazyeye1
    @crazyeye1 10 месяцев назад

    Are there any updates on this issue??? I’ve been having this issue constantly and annoyingly on the desktop and in
    Video editing… I have the 13900kf and got it for the reason being it was a top of the line cpu with all new hardware (64gb of Corsair ddr5 ram, 7900 xtx, custom loop water cooling, 1000w psu, msi mpg z790 edge ddr5 mobo) no reason why I should be having this issue other than the processor. Sorry for the rant, I’m trying to find answers and your part saying it’s hard to find info is very true, all I pull up is in game issue results. I’d appreciate any update bro. Thank you!

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  10 месяцев назад

      So after pulling the original video down, I had a lot of emails about others having this issue as well, along with comments like yours.
      I honestly think it's a CPU silicon level issue to some extent.
      What are your full specs including peripherals, monitors etc?
      I unfortunately haven't solved the issue entirely with the PCs I had experienced it in, including my own, but I had gotten it to be a lot better on the 13700k/900k I was using in my personal machines.
      There's a few small things you can do to improve the windows experience, but it won't entirely remove the strange behavior.
      1. Disable core parking
      2. Stop using Gsync if on Nvidia
      3. Stop using wireless mice
      4. Disable unnecessary windows animations
      5. Have the balanced mode on in the old control panel power settings, and high performance in the new windows power settings (yes there are two)
      6. Multi monitor users should try to match HZ or the refresh rate of the two or more screens you are using.
      Many of these options are basic ways of just improving the "other" causes of stuttering on the desktop, but I find personally that the issue is just their CPUs hybrid architecture. I have hardly seen any complaints about this on the 14th Gen. Maybe they fixed it?

  • @voltflake
    @voltflake Год назад

    Where is discord server regarding the issue?

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      I have 3 people asking, you are the fourth. Never came to life.

  • @roccociccone597
    @roccociccone597 Год назад

    Try a couple different distributions. I’d try fedora, Ubuntu and pop_os

  • @jackz166
    @jackz166 Год назад

    Please make a vid on your Linux experience, thanks

  • @Dhruv-qw7jf
    @Dhruv-qw7jf Год назад +1

    Can you test it out (the latency problems) with a DDR4 system instead of DDR5? DDR5 is known to have much higher latency than DDR4 and it could be that this issue is due to that.. I'm asking this because I'm looking to build a new PC and I was thinking of getting an i5-13600k before Bryan's video came out and now I'm not so sure. I know that I'm gonna go with DDR4 because I'm on a budget but Bryan's tests were with DDR5 on 13900k and DDR4 on 10850k, and at least some of the difference could have been because of that. If you can, please test it out with a DDR4 system.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      You should check out the community post I made, I am actually running ddr4 currently on my main rig.

  • @imqqmi
    @imqqmi Год назад

    Have you tried older drivers for all the hardware instead of newer? Over the years of owning PCs I've noticed that going to an older driver can help resolve stuttering issues and random crashes. And install drivers from the hardware manufacturer instead of using microsoft drivers or vice versa. Disabling powersaving on all your devices in device manager can also help, if the option exists.
    A harddisk, if you use one, with bad/marginal sectors can also make a pc feel unresponive. Sometimes it was the mouse itself, or its control software or driver.
    Feally hope you can resplve the issue, it can be madening to deal with.

  • @godisgood5089
    @godisgood5089 Год назад

    I was just trying to find a video I saw about e-cores making a desktop lag, was that the vid you took down?

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      I actually put it back up. I can't for the life of me figure out these issues. Many people claim they don't have them but tons of people are also complaining. Check my channel for it, it's still up.

    • @godisgood5089
      @godisgood5089 Год назад

      @@techwandoUS Thanks mate. You could do a video of a random CPU unboxing and installing it on a test rig and installing a fresh W11 copy to demonstrate out-of-the-box functionality and then wipe the drive and put linux on it to compare performance. Then you'll have proof of if it's Windows or the CPU. Don't let people bully you. You could keep the CPU visible in the video so people know it's not been swapped between takes. Sounds like a bit of a hassle but at least it would back you up if you're right.

  • @Kitten_Stomper
    @Kitten_Stomper Год назад

    I’m guessing the 6P core 0E core CPUs don’t have this problem.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +1

      The one system I had tested with a 13th gen i3, seemed to behave normally. I didn't have it for long enough to know though. I don't sell very many i3 systems tbh.

    • @yues7910
      @yues7910 5 месяцев назад

      @@techwandoUS I've observed that 6 cores seem to be the sweet spot for CPUs? Apple's CPUs also have 6 cores

  • @Pillokun
    @Pillokun Год назад

    If intel lga1700 cpus were slow using it for web-browsing, work(cad), writing engineering reports/business plans then I would not use them, but they are the fastest desktop cpus I ever used and I have used lga1200, am4 and am5 cpus. But I dont use the e cores nor am I using ddr4 now. With ddr4 I had to tune the ddr4 ram to get it feel smooth and responsive in fps games, something ddr5 does not requeire even if the latency is just a tiny bit higer. Why? because ddr5 memory subsytem can be accesses twice as often as ddr4.
    What U and Bryan from Techyescity experience is just software issues/bugs.

  • @lonkamikaze
    @lonkamikaze Год назад +1

    That said, Windows has terrible scheduling/responsiveness under all core loads. This seems to affect keyboard interactions even more than mouse events.
    But this kind of thing sounds like there is a misleading lock in some crappy software component or driver.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +1

      I'd love to test a persons w/ install that d
      say they don't experience it at all. Out of all the machines I have tested and witnessed this latency/cursor hang up, I have yet to see a perfect one except a 13th gen i3 setup.

  • @andreabriganti5113
    @andreabriganti5113 Год назад +2

    If there were some technical aspects of that video of yours, that you didn't like and you choose to take it down for that, it's ok, you know better than anyone else your own contents. Just don't make this kind of choose for the comment section. Bad people will always find a reason to write you, tons of crappy comments,. They live to turn they'r own frustrations into hate toward anyone. Don't lose your time and patience, on people with no life and full of rage. Have a good day man.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +3

      Yeah, very true. I wanted to clear things up for the small community of people that follow me. I felt it was important. Appreciate the kind words ☺️

  • @Aerobrake
    @Aerobrake Год назад

    But it feels fine for me why ia everyone having tgis issue but me and my 13700K??!

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      There seems to be a pretty split opinion on it, some people are fine, others have issues. Tech Yes truly believes it's a CPU issue, maybe some have it and others don't. I wish I knew.

  • @klipk7296
    @klipk7296 Год назад

    2:20 - don't mind this comment, that was just from the userbenchmark admin

  • @davidjohansson1416
    @davidjohansson1416 Год назад

    Could it be ”automatic voltages” on cpu? Try clocking it down. Use voltage offsets and fixed cpu frequency.
    Also take a look at too agressive memmory timings. Alot of motherboards set these incorrectly if left on ”auto” or dynamic. I have had hitches with my i7 9700k when mobo is set to ”auto” regulate voltage settings and power for cpu. The ”stock” and ”auto optimize” voltages are too agressive on z390 prime a. Also on my platform the i7’s memmory controller is weak so xmp settings are also to agressive which can lead to wierd behaviour even if it ”seems” fine. Most of the time.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +1

      I typically undervolt, and do my own timings. I have tried both ways (OC and UV) also stock timings, and both ddr4 and ddr5 (across two different motherboards). Felt the better experience was on ddr4 (not for games) but for the snappiness of the machine so I am currently still using DDR4 4000 cl 18. I was previously using a kit of 6000.

  • @SmokeApples
    @SmokeApples Год назад +2

    Turn off HAGS men :) Hardware-accelerated GPU Scheduler
    And Maybe MPO Nvidia
    And no, this is not a problem with Windows 11, Windows 10 has it too. But Microsoft is really to blame for it, this will not happen on Linux, because there are no HAGS and MPO

  • @greevous
    @greevous Год назад +1

    All problems need helpful videos, don't get discouraged by the trolls, sadly there are a lot on line that just want to hurt people.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Thank you, 100% agree. I just need to ignore them. The original video was my first semi explosive content piece. First time for everything I suppose. Appreciate you.

  • @RetroAnachronist
    @RetroAnachronist Год назад

    Just here for the drama. Hahah, j/k curious to hear the results.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +1

      Haha, well the results are almost impossible to provide at this point with my tools and abilities. There are a good 30% or more people very vocal about this issue/experience along with Tech Yes City.
      Then there are others who say they have zero issues and I am crazy. Me showing some examples on Linux at this point will mean nothing to the community. I think I'm just giving up on it, the randomness of behavior is so time consuming to show examples of. It's very hard to relay input delay and stutter though a video unless the stuttering is so visibly obvious. Which occasionally it is at the most random times, but I'd have to sit around for days recording the screen on multiple machines that do this to provide any more proof. Can't wait to get off the platform personally. It's probably just bad silicon. Some people are unlucky, and 12/13th gen has worse yields.

  • @GameArmorGameplay
    @GameArmorGameplay Год назад

    That video was how I found you. Should have kept it up and just did a follow up video. Gotta have thick skin if you want to survive on the internet. Everybody is a critic on YT.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +1

      Thanks man, I personally felt it wasn't my best quality, but you are right. Thick skin is needed here.

  • @Rafael-rn6hn
    @Rafael-rn6hn Год назад

    It'd be nice if you could layout a reproducible test scenario that is easy enough for people to replicate. I've had/have several Zen 3 Ryzens and a couple of 12th gen intel CPUs and I honestly haven't noticed any consistent stuttering\lagging issues in one platform or another. I'd be curious to see if I can reproduce the issue,

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      I am kinda in the hands of my customers to test their machines. So if any other 12/13th gen systems show up I'll definitely post about it. I can't just test my own unfortunately. I have documented in the community post the other PCs I have experienced it on, but making a specific test where in which it constantly screws up would be hard due to the erratic nature of the stuttering. I used that office suite as an example cause it hangs up there, many people said it doesn't do it for them and others have.

    • @markbayhon
      @markbayhon Год назад

      I will be hard to reproduce such scenarios as we users have different use-cases for computer, different components and brand of components. Also consider maybe what they call silicon lottery. And testing all this will take time. The video for me is interesting to know that these problems happens in Intel hardware. Learning about this video is fun, pc building should be awesome.

  • @shreyaskumar5366
    @shreyaskumar5366 Год назад

    As a guy who just purchased a i7 12700h laptop with rtx 3060
    (Lenovo Legion 5i pro 2022)
    I would love to see a discord channel made
    So i can join it and follow along .. if some fix came arround
    Please do make it bro

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Thank you, I'll get to work on it soon and post it in a community post. Might even make a short video. Let me reach out to some of the original commenters who suggested this.

  • @AvroBellow
    @AvroBellow Год назад

    There's an even bigger problem... Intel CPUs draw so much wattage that they pretty much REQUIRE liquid cooling. I'll avoid them for now.

  • @eilegz
    @eilegz Год назад

    im glad i stick with ryzen 5xxx and windows 10, dont have to deal with windows 11 and e cores p cores crap.

  • @ghost_of_m403
    @ghost_of_m403 Год назад +1

    I'm really sorry to hear that you are taking down content just because you are not 100% able to refute all of those attacks. The reality is that some people will not investigate this without content like the last video you posted. What matters is that you are doing real testing and communicating your real experience. And the critics on reddit serve a big purpose too, even if they sometimes deliver it in a sub-optimal way. For sure there is something here. Don't let yourself be silenced. Keep doing your thing.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Thanks a ton. Appreciate you 👍👍

  • @unexplained_entity7514
    @unexplained_entity7514 Год назад

    "just switch to Linux" shouldn't be a default answer, tbh. There are plenty of valid reasons why people won't (or can't) do that. I too am another one who is getting a marginally smoother performance on an older 10th gen which is fairly low power to begin with in my case.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +1

      I agree honestly, and I have had some serious problems getting many of my applications to work properly on Linux as well. Kinda in a weird spot wondering if even making a video on it, probably won't help anyone watching me experience issues with linux. Davinci Resolve for an example crashes after 20 minutes of use, tried every trick, tried a different PC with the same Linux based OS.
      I have done a few other things to my windows installation and have been having a better experience, but the main issue here is that none of this should be an issue the consumer is resolving.

    • @nigelwright7557
      @nigelwright7557 Год назад

      With some of the newer cpu's there are more cores all trying to read from one set of DRAM. Could be a bottleneck there.

  • @jamsgames8742
    @jamsgames8742 Год назад

    I believe your explanation of how the 12 and 13th gen etc are not worth buying. Insulting and hating against you for just explaining the issues you have been having with it is just absurd. regarding the mouse stutter issue tho. I have two systems one 8700 non k and one 9600kf (4,6 ghz mce turned on) I have been experiencing mouse stutter since the latest win updates when i first start the machines. i use win 10 pro on both i believe. or one might have win home i think the 8700 has home actually but not sure tho. but my mouse does also skip on both machines on start up. That being said. i use the logitech g pro wireless and the g305 and the pulsar xlite v2. Do you experience the stutter only on launch of desktop or just at random to? Because if it's only when you launch the machine it might just be windows. both of my machines are also running ssd's btw one 970 evo from samsung and the other a sata m.2 from crutial. ( besides the initial stutter on start up i dont experience anything else.)

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Thanks man, appreciate your opinion. I have stuttering immediately. Just at random times mostly. Could be doing anything at all. The office app is really bad on 11. Absolutely the best example of stuttering.

    • @jamsgames8742
      @jamsgames8742 Год назад

      @@techwandoUS then let all the people hate because i've built many comouters for friends and family over the years (im 18 btw) and ive seen and experienced many things but nothing like you have shows and described. you are absolutely right and if i were you. I would put the video back online because the more people that are informed about he issue the more people that can be saved from buying a bad cpu for their intended use case. Your video's are very informative and fun to watch keep doing what you're doing brother ❤

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      @@jamsgames8742 @jamsgames8742 Thank you man. Definitely thinking about it, tech Yes said the same. I think I'll let this sit for a bit and see how it does. I'm glad you enjoy the content!

    • @jamsgames8742
      @jamsgames8742 Год назад +1

      @@techwandoUS of course bro much love

    • @erwinmatic5062
      @erwinmatic5062 Год назад

      @@techwandoUS You know what worked with my mouse stuttering issues in 12th gen? I changed the hardware, the mouse itself and it disappeared.

  • @vogonp4287
    @vogonp4287 5 месяцев назад

    I will say that Windows 11 can feel laggy on my R7 7700, but Linux is fine.

  • @silverblack78
    @silverblack78 Год назад +1

    Useless video if you don't show the problem. Try asking Jay (J2C).

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      It would take a community of people to get a hold of him.

  • @lmotaku
    @lmotaku Год назад

    Hey, sorry for digging up an old video, but I was legit curious about it and you pretty much labeled the lame PC wars online. There is a small loud bunch of Intel vs AMD "chads" that will make your day miserable on and offline in not just personal life if you have nerd friends or the sales dude at the computer store. I've had someone give me misinformation at a PC store about Nvidia cards and tried everything to convince me to not buy the AMD card I had come in for. I ended up beating him out in intelligence and told his manager that this dude is sketchy and should stop trying to peddle brands to customers that come in knowing what they want. Next time I came in, guy was gone.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Yeah I remember way back in the late 2000s thinking, man ... it's nice to be out of the "console wars". I was so wrong haha. Nvidia vs AMD, or Intel vs AMD is totally the same deal. Sounds like you showed up that fella with your intelligence. Very nice haha.
      I forgot if I mentioned this but TYC sent me some pretty good info on this whole situation over the weekend. It's been months since I talked about it, I am not large enough to reproduce the issue properly. That being said I might have a video on this soon. Kinda waiting for his to drop first though.

    • @lmotaku
      @lmotaku Год назад

      @@techwandoUS Nothing is worse than biting your tongue so someone with more pull can do it first. I bet it drives you insane sometimes because the harder you go about what you know to be right, the harder the backlash. I'm checking out something called MultiMon and it showing me what threads are running in real time, even while seemingly doing "nothing." I just noticed NordVPN was doing a bunch of processes in the background even though I disabled everything and only use it rarely. Proton is my main service.

  • @TheQuiescentGamer
    @TheQuiescentGamer Год назад +1

    Look, I'm gonna level with you. I really appreciate your content. But at the end of the day, you gotta do what's best for you! If that means going back a CPU generation or 3 and changing out the OS to get a stable user experience, GO FOR IT! All within the PC space require a stable experience, and it shouldn't come at the cost of the user nor the hardware they wish to purchase. Hope everything works out!

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +1

      Thank you, appreciate the kind words, and yeah. If I cannot figure it out, I'm definitely going back a few generations. Thanks for the comment.

  • @WhiskeyInspekta
    @WhiskeyInspekta Год назад

    Dude. Idk why you're letting the hate get to you. Youre posting videos on the Internet and then complaining about the hate.. 🤷🏽 it comes with the territory.
    As far as your issues. It can be a combination of things. Motherboard/CPU issue, RAM/CPU issue, all 3 plus Windows 11..... when you build PC's yourself it GOING to happen. I've been building my own PCs since 2013 along with family members PCs. And I've gotten all kinds of issues
    Bad AMD CPU, bad ASRock fatality MB, RAM XMP profiles not working even though the ram is on the supported list, windows 10 driver issues, windows 8 issues, bad gigabyte MB, bad gigabyte AMD GPU....
    Recently had ram give my brother's PC issues JUST in MW2, slap in different ram and MW2 boots and runs fine. I put his ram in my computer NO issues what so ever.
    Long story short. Youre going to have to try different hardware configurations to see what exactly is going on if you really want to blame a certain piece of hardware... If you can't handle it, buy a prebuilt and call tech support when you have issues, problem solved.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      I think based on reading to the end of the comment, that the overall understanding of the situation is not there.
      This isn't just my PC. I have had a reselling business since 2012, this is the first time I have been able to recreate issues with a specific platform.
      Gamers won't get it, it's a stutter/latency issue some will never even care about with basic desktop use. The amount of times I have rewritten this comment I found that people just didn't watch the content. I already have confirmation from the company in question that designs hardware for Intel states there's a problem (as I said I cannot mention them) but you can make a guess pretty easy by just checking out Bryan's channel (I spoke with him about this, he told me everything that was said about it at computex)
      I recommend watching the tech yes City series on this topic. I'll be happy to link it to you.

  • @mohamedwael5039
    @mohamedwael5039 10 месяцев назад

    My 13700 lags mouse lags and even liqued cooler cant cool i regert puting all my money in intel new cpu intel have been doing shit lately latencey lags simple tasks have proplems over heating and lots of shit

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  10 месяцев назад

      Yeah man it's a problem that never never really seem to get resolved unfortunately. I am not a big enough channel to investigate further, even tech Yes City kinda dropped off the topic.
      My other video got around 100,000 views and about 33% of the comments. Were people having the same issue.

  • @avetruetocaesar3463
    @avetruetocaesar3463 6 месяцев назад

    Are you feeling vindicated yet? You probably should not have taken the video down to begin with. Time to relist it again perhaps? Unless, of course, you don't want to be involved in the drama.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  6 месяцев назад +2

      That's so funny that you're saying that right now. I actually did repost it. I'm not spot on obviously with the issue, but I definitely figured there is something going on with those CPUs.

  • @anthonywaldrep5982
    @anthonywaldrep5982 Год назад +1

    I'm really saddened that you took down that video. Your issues were completely valid and as information changes, annotations can be used or pinned comments for an update. Unfortunately, no matter what you do, the trolls will never be appeased. If you feel strongly about an issue, stick to your guns. As far as the extremely abrasive comments that offer no intelligence whatsoever to the topic at hand, block them. This is your channel and if someone behaves like a petulant teenager, they aren't even worth a response or a subscription. Fanboy-ism is most certainly a real thing. Nothing about your video was defaming Intel, it was just about your experience with that particular CPU. Please keep making awesome content. You're at the top of my list for PC related videos!!

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +1

      Very well said, you have a lot of good points there! Always appreciate your intellect. I did actually remove some of the comments coming directly from Satan himself, which was a first for me haha.
      The funny thing about fanboyism in this situation, is that I am on the product I'm complaining about. There is clearly some issue, I'm definitely going to work with some of the people who reached out and see if it's solvable. Thanks again, I always look forward to your comments.

    • @anthonywaldrep5982
      @anthonywaldrep5982 Год назад

      @@techwandoUS Thank you so much for the kind words!
      Hahaha! Some people definitely deserved the block hammer
      Just keep being you and doing what you love!!

  • @mohamedwael5039
    @mohamedwael5039 Год назад

    my bc staters to i have 13700 and rtx 3060 i spend all i won to buy this intel is shit latencey is discusting

  • @JeremyHamaker
    @JeremyHamaker Год назад

    Make content where you stay true to yourself, and tell people the thing you authentically and truly are wanting to share. Don't think about the view count.
    That's *my* answer to your question, anyway... Best wishes.
    ~Cheers!

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +1

      Very good comment, also very true. Thanks a lot.

  • @jarrodhroberson
    @jarrodhroberson Год назад +1

    I never experience this stutter either; wait I use AMD ... ;-P

  • @Azureskies01
    @Azureskies01 Год назад +1

    5900X and Windows 11, no issues/log or stutters. AMD wins yet again somehow.
    Cheers.

  • @cuongtang9539
    @cuongtang9539 Год назад

    F*** AMD my 7800x3d stutters in every game

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      What things have you tried?

    • @cuongtang9539
      @cuongtang9539 Год назад

      @@techwandoUS hi, i disabled ftpm, thats all, my pc runs good, but i have massive framedrops. i just see that issue while im gaming. Its like it has to load the V-Cash first dont know, temps are finde, xmp works great (6000 mhz) Rainbow six siege doesnt seem that fluent even i have 358 fps maxed out at 1440p. i deleted chipset drivers and reinstalled it, i also used ddu for my gpu driver + fresh windows Install. MW3 (MP) on ther other hand runs great. So i'm not really sure if its the games or my cpu. but every time i have an AMD product some weird shit happens.

  • @eleventy-seven
    @eleventy-seven Год назад +1

    Dont let these little kids grt you down. Fanboys are like that. Ive been building since 1990 for a living and have used sold worked on every non mac type of system there is. As my wife says, "opinions are like azzholes, everyone has one". Peace out young man.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Thanks man, appreciate you. I agree with the wife!

  • @stephengarner8628
    @stephengarner8628 Год назад

    Do not sweat it some people live in hate. They have nothing better better to do. Try talking to a flat earther those people are right out the crazy box.
    The point is when you try and help people and you get something wrong then that is why the internet works best. Take advice, and give advice. Not hatred.
    You come across as a genuine fella. So that is good enough for.
    It is you I just subscribed to. Personality matters. Helping people matters. That is all you need. To err is human. So on that please keep up the good work, ignore the rant, they help no one.

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад +1

      Thank you Stephen. It's people like yourself that keep me going. This is one of those issues I feel is slightly above my expertise as it takes many more than just the sample size I have. I wish some of the bigger channels would take notice, it was cool enough to see the community of people that came out of this issue saying they either had similar issues or wanted to help in some way. I appreciate the rant, and the sub! Made my day.

    • @stephengarner8628
      @stephengarner8628 Год назад +1

      @@techwandoUS I am in the UK so you have a friend over here. As for the rants I said Trump was a big fat liar. You can bet some people ranted at me. That said we all have an opinion but we all have the ability to put it forward respectfully. I wish you well my friend and there are always more of us out there that need help like yours. So on behalf of all those who watch for your good advice we all say thanks.

  • @ruben_balea
    @ruben_balea Год назад

    I made this comment: "From my experience that can happen with any CPU so it must be a Windows "feature" (yes, a BUG) but I guess you start to notice it more when you have a "super powerful" CPU and Windows 10/11 starts to act like Windows 3.0 on a 286... I won't stop using Windows for that reason but I'd be happier if they could fix it before humans walk on the Moon again."
    But I forgot to mention one thing: If by chance I have the task manager open I can see how the system interrupts use 100% of the CPU.
    I downloaded LatencyMon 7.30 by Resplendence Software (not a sponsor 😉) and everything was fine until:
    I opened my computer (I notice how the system got stuck, happens every time I open "My Computer" but it does not happen with any "actual folder" or other "virtual folders"):
    ·Highest reported ISR routine execution time (µs): 10076,801203 (SCSIPORT.SYS - SCSI Port Driver, Microsoft Corporation)
    ·Highest reported DPC routine execution time (µs): 149,163563 (dxgkrnl.sys - DirectX Graphics Kernel, Microsoft Corporation)
    Conclusion: Your system appears to be having trouble handling real-time audio and other tasks. You are likely to experience buffer underruns appearing as drop outs, clicks or pops. One or more DPC routines that belong to a driver running in your system appear to be executing for too long. Also one or more ISR routines that belong to a driver running in your system appear to be executing for too long. One problem may be related to power management, disable CPU throttling settings in Control Panel and BIOS setup. Check for BIOS updates.
    I dragged notepad like crazy all over the screen (I didn't appreciate anything):
    ·Highest reported ISR routine execution time (µs): 182,494414 (dxgkrnl.sys - DirectX Graphics Kernel, Microsoft Corporation)
    ·Highest reported DPC routine execution time (µs): 231,042968 (tcpip.sys - Controlador TCP/IP, Microsoft Corporation)
    Conclusion: Your system seems to be having difficulty handling real-time audio and other tasks. You may experience drop outs, clicks or pops due to buffer underruns. One problem may be related to power management, disable CPU throttling settings in Control Panel and BIOS setup. Check for BIOS updates.
    I dragged Adobe Acrobat Reader like crazy all over the screen (I didn't appreciate anything):
    ·Highest reported DPC routine execution time (µs): 1273,675451 (CLASSPNP.SYS - SCSI Class System Dll, Microsoft Corporation)
    Conclusion: Your system seems to be having difficulty handling real-time audio and other tasks. You may experience drop outs, clicks or pops due to buffer underruns. One problem may be related to power management, disable CPU throttling settings in Control Panel and BIOS setup. Check for BIOS updates.
    You may want to try LatencyMon free home edition to make a list of suspects of causing your problems, but I guess you'll need to buy the full version to show it on a video 🤔
    *The dxgkrnl.sys slowdown could be because I had GPUGRID running and using a lot of GPU. ("GPUGRID is a volunteer computing project hosted by Pompeu Fabra University and running on the Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing (BOINC) software platform. It performs full-atom molecular biology simulations that are designed to run on Nvidia's CUDA-compatible graphics processing units.")
    *The tcpip.sys slowdown while dragging notepad could be because I was downloading too many things in the background with other programs.
    *The CLASSPNP.SYS slowdown while dragging Adobe Acrobat could be one or more of the downloads being written to disk or some of the BOINC projects I was running in the background.
    * While dragging notepad I managed to get another slowdown from some USB 1.1/2.0 driver/device but I forgot to copy the details, I was shaking the mouse as fast as I could, I didn't know that a mouse could send so much data. LatencyMon said it could be the USB hub too, it's an old USB 2.0 hub but maybe it defaults to 1.x mode for the keyboard and mouse receiver.
    *EDIT*
    OK, it's not "My computer" now it's called "This PC" I'm getting old.
    Also system interrupts do not exceed 0.1% when I open "This PC"
    When system interrupts reach 100% the computer is almost frozen. I can't remember what triggers the 100% interrupts but I do know it happesn every now and then...

    • @techwandoUS
      @techwandoUS  Год назад

      Thanks for your super in-depth breakdown of how it's going for you.
      What are your current PCs specs that you have shown all this data from?
      Thanks for the post!

    • @ruben_balea
      @ruben_balea Год назад

      @@techwandoUS As we say here it is older than walking on foot ;-)
      ASUS P8H61-M LE/USB3 motherboard
      Intel i7-3770k CPU
      16GB PC3-10700
      Nvidia GT1030 (GP108-300) 2GB DDR5 and passive cooling.
      1xASUS PCE-AC68 802.11ac Network Adapter
      1xPromise SATA300 TX4 PCI 4-Port SATA II
      1xINTEL SSDSC2KB480G8 with W10 Pro on it. (Integrated SATA AHCI)
      1xWDC WD60EZRZ-00GZ5B1 for games (Integrated SATA AHCI)
      1xWDC WD80EDAZ-11TA3A0 for other data (Integrated SATA AHCI)
      1xASUS BW-16D1HT (Integrated SATA AHCI)
      1xHL-DT-ST BD-RE WH14NS40 (Promise SATA)
      All BIOS settings are set for max power saving, almost the same on Windows except that I allow it to go up to 3.7GHz in passive cooling mode or whatever MS calls that in the energy plan advanced setting, basically it will slow down the CPU instead of speeding up the cooling fan.
      I cheap on CPU power but I don't allow any hard drive to stop spinning because all of them are accessed at least every 10 minutes, the only logical choices would be 144 power cycles per day or continuous running, so I chose the option that wouldn't kill the drives in a couple of months.
      This computer was running 24/7 since February 2014 except for a few shutdowns to blow the dust, replace hard drives after 30000 hours, upgrade the SSD and upgrade the graphics card from the integrated graphics to a 730GT to support the GPUGRID project an recently to the GT1030 to play AOE IV with a bit higher quality settings.
      With the current power setting latest CPUID x64 says:
      Single thread 363 (81% of i7-4790K)
      Multi thread 1795 (78% of i7-4790K)