I forgot to mention, I did also reset everything in the bios to default while still enforcing stock intel limits. Xmp was also disabled and the problem still persisted. Undervolting and OC can introduce issues like this but only IF its unstable. As I had mentioned I did validate stability so there's no issues there.
If core parking is an issue, you can also disable the c-state C6 in BIOS. If necessary also C3, but for most folks, the first tweak is already sufficient. When disabling C3+C6, the CPU can still save power via C1/C1E, which are very, very fast recover from. The core "unpark" software is essentially doing the same, but on the OS level. BIOS does it in hardware, which could theoretically work even better, because the feature doesn't even get advertised to the OS then. C3 is "L1/L2 cache flush, clocks off, voltage stays on", while C6 is "C3 + dumping all registers, PLL off, voltage off(!)". It's esentially shutting down the core almost fully and thus has a much higher transition latency upon wakeup.
This is more than likely a Windows issue. Even with the Brian Video an Intel Engineer went into the Comment and left a lengthy message about the subject saying they are aware of the issue and it is related to Windows OS. Not surprising. I honestly probably would switch to Linux if I would take the time to learn it. Windows is just of those necessary evils that come with PCs unfortunately.
I just disabled E cores and set P cores to a static frequency. Havent once had issues with stuttering or lagging with any 12-14th gen CPUs. Ive played with most every cpu in the lineup.
I did a video on this with Tech Yes City also involved. Tech yes and I have spoken to each other behind the scenes. We believe that its an issue that essentially varies chip to chip. Almost like silicon lottery (same idea). EDIT: Hey thank you for including me in this! Yeah the original video was pretty crazy in the comments. I went ahead and counted every comment while the video was up, about users having the issue. It came to 35% of users saying they suffered the same issues across both windows 10 and 11, but you were right about the trolls. They really went for me man. Got a bit nutty. Glad to see your covering this.
no worries man! This issue definitely has me puzzled because of how wildly different the experiences were between users. And with so many variables involved it makes narrowing it down that much harder. I remember there was a similar weird issue with first gen Ryzen which would cause segfaults and I ended up having to RMA my Ryzen 7 1800X. Some chips weren't effected but for the ones that were it would cause strange behaviour sort of like what some users are reporting with their intel chips. I stopped caring about the trolls a long time ago, by all means they can start their own channel and make their own videos if they really want to get the point across.
@@DannyzReviews I do actually remember that on first Gen Ryzen also. They pretty much solved most of those issues by Zen 2 which was nice. Intel has been having this same kind of issue across the entire hybrid architecture. I spent almost a half a year pulling my hair out. Happy to see the core parking and solid undervolts really helped your machine. I'll be curious to see how the comments do on this video as it grows with time.
@@DannyzReviews thanks for that. I must admit I went AM5 because I had reservations concerning Intel's hybrid set up re gaming. I'm curious, did you pass the audio latency test after those adjustments?
@@techwandoUS I am about to upgrade my system soon since you are so invested into this issue did you hear if this issue persists on the core ultra 200 series? I am tempted by the IO offered by the Z890 platform and multithreaded performance. I know its weak at gaming but I would rather avoid dual CCD CPUs and elevate further from 8 cores that I currently run.
Just a tip. If you're testing CPU latency on games. You should test it on the most CPU based game ever made which is CS2. All of the games you tested depend on GPU mostly.
WOW, this fixed it all. 12900k, 3090ti and 64gig 5200 34cas ram would struggle to access a seperate downloads drive in file manager. VS2022 would stutter and lag loading. Unparking the cores it is now so quick i have to slow down clicking. Max power usage on this system under full load could get to 820 watt, idle/normal office workload was less the 5 watt and now with all the cores active it is less than 15 watt with exceptional response. I can live with an increase of 10 watt. thank you
I used the app Tech yes city used to unpark cores with the lower settings under cpu powermanagement. BY GOD IT improved performance and got rid of hard stutters in Pubg. The stutters is 90% concurrent with visible core parking in Task manager. Oc ing the the ecores to 4.6Ghz and setting the preference to all cores instead of P er E helped balance the workload out. So in case of massive uptick in load, like shooting out of a car the games dont have those fps drops anymore. Gamefeel and hitreg was unaffected, so still usable even with the game running on ecores. Ring ran at 4.7Ghz. I'm now running just 8 ecores since the last 8 have a massive ram latency penalty but in some games like SC I would turn those on in bios too. That Core Parking has killed my gaming experience for 3 years, I'm so mad at Windows right now.
@@rameshenzo8249 From the mlcc app it seems that 1-16 ecores are connected in a string like manor. So ecores at the start of the string have a short distance and nr 16 has the longest distance. This is just speculation but if you measures this the results shows LONGER delay the more cores you activate. Ecores comes in clusters of 4. So 4 clusters gives 4 x 4 gives 16 total ecores. I'm just a regular Joe testing what I can with available apps, so if you found other results pls post them here. Theres very little available info on this subject online.
Man, I have a 14700k and a 4090. I got most of my lags in CS2 and it was frustrating. Unparking the CPU Cores fixed all my issues !!! I just hope it stays like this... do i have to do that every time I boot my system ? Thanks so much for the video !!!
@llExpert You can also change it in the registry. There are other videos on youtube wich show how to do it. By pressing win+R and typing in "resmon" you can see wich cores are parked and wich are not
Windows is not aware of parked cores effectively compared to Power saving. Latency tends to suffer across the board and figuring out workarounds is tedious
Are you going to make a video on how to make the timer work on windows 10 through the use of the dpclat driver? Win 11 is poopoo now. I got a way lower average on my timer with win 10
I will try this as well thanks. the biggest dpc fix for me before this was enabling MSI (message signal interupt) mode on all supported hardware in my PC. i think mainly the audio device not being on MSI. another thing that made every game run better was turn off hyperthread.
4:00 if you're having this specific issue where whenever you go into a folder it starts to do this one by one slowly this means you have a corrupted windows filesystem cache. you need to do these following steps. 1. you might wanna go into safe mode for these cause only in safe mode you can delete everything properly (to go into safe mode, you need to hold down SHIFT while you click on "RESTART" and keep holding till PC restarts after that you go to Troubleshoot then Advanced options then Startup Settings. thats it.) 2. now that we're in safe mode (if everything is way too big just right-click anywhere on your desktop and click on "Display Settings" here you just change the resolution to something more sane like 1080 or higher. now we're back to smaller icons ok. 3. now press Windows Key + R to open RUN then type: shell:recent\AutomaticDestinations ..now press enter and now delete the entire contents of the folder. and exit the folder and lets do it again for yet another directory. 4. just as before, press Windows Key + R to open RUN the type: shell:recent\CustomDestinations ..same thing now, delete the entire content of the folder and exit. 5. now restart normally and you'll be back to your normal desktop and hopefully the issue is now fixed. if this doesn't help, you'll have to google a little bit about how to use DISM and SFX and CLEAN BOOT etc etc etc
I have audio pop issues using a go xlrm mini and also experienced microstutter in games. I have tested the same cpu in 3 different motherboards all experienced the same problem. I will try out the CPU Unpark tool to see if that fixes my issues.
@@SLICKOMODE I will do, give me some days to test, it usually happened everyday. So far so good since using it. Only have to run the tool once and it applies all the time so doesn't need to be opened again. Im using balanced profile so my cpu still downclocks but no core parking.
@@techwandoUS Give me some days to test, it usually happened everyday. So far so good since using it. Only have to run the tool once and it applies all the time so doesn't need to be opened again. Im using balanced profile so my cpu still downclocks but no core parking.
I do music production, i basically set power limits to infinity and no core parking. Core parking tanks real time perfomance for audio, even on an i7-4700MQ that i still own and is quite descent for that.
Unpark all of the cores, the method really doesnt matter(registry,powerexplorer, app) as long as its a permanent setting change. Also lock your cores to 1 frequency, p and e cores, even make you ring cache locked. Enjoy
I upgraded from 9700 to 11700 to 12700k, and i found performance drop and stuttering when i first got the 12700k and i knew something off in the first few days of usage but couldnt tell whats going wrong especially when the processor scoring on benchmarks identical to everybody else, and compred to my former builds the pc felt slower and stuttery mess even when only web browsing, gaming even worse, somehow i opened task manager and found that all my p cores were parked on light tasks and i was limited to 4 E cores then searched and tried multiple ways to disable core parking, the first one by registry which failed, the second was the program you mentioned which also failed dont know why didnt work back then, probably you used newer version, and i ended up using "park control" which still get updates monthly, also newer versions give you more control for how windows schedule tasks between e cores and p cores, i also would like to add that core parking issue is metigated on windows 11, but even on windows 11 id still install park control for intel processors with e cores.
Do you face any problems now? We’re fully able to fix the issue or do you still have occasional stutters or anything? I have the same cpu but I’m considering a switch to am5.
@@nolyfe4814 I fixed the issue after 20 days of usage by installing park control, ever since no issues, all stuttering mess gone, the processor work like a bullet, i split tasks using it, e cores for short threads and p cores to long threads, now i have 14700k with disabled HT to lower processor temperature and avoid degredation.
I just got a 14900KF and a 4090 and am having issues in multiple games. Some game crashes at the same place, some other games wouldn't even start. Some games told me I didn't have available memory. I fixed that by changing the mode on my motherboard, which turned off a bunch of cores. Still crashes but the memory issue is gone. I've read multiple places that they advise me to downclock my CPU, which seems like a weird fix. I left AMD because I was tired of driver timeouts, driver crashes and other issues. Seems like it was a bad calculation since intel is the one with issues now.
I had the stuttering issues so bad I ended up ditching my 13700KF. I went through all sorts of things before the Tech Yes videos came out and eventually got so annoyed I just sold it and moved to a 7800X3D. The best way I found to detect it was to use a high refresh rate display (in my case a 240hz 1440p) and just move the mouse in a consistent circle in the middle of the monitor, just on the desktop with nothing else open I could clearly see and feel the stutters and you would see gaps open up around the "circle" of mouse pointers whenever it stuttered. Latencymon didn't detect anything abnormal but it drove me crazy. I tried Windows 10 and 11, TPM on and off, all sorts of things including shutting down the E-cores, etc.
@@Zgredzio No, games were fine. To be honest, the only CPU that has had a problem with gaming was I bought a 7950X3D when they launched (before the 7800X3D came out) and it was miserable before they smoothed out the 3D driver. The stutter I was having was during desktop use, photo editing and that kind of thing. It was blatantly obvious, there was no question if it was happening or not. When using a 240hz monitor you could move the mouse in steady circles and see the pointer pause every few milliseconds.
The latency rabbit hole is deep but unparked cores does work well. To go further you need additional tools from microsoft. Interupt affinity policy tool + device manager allows you to find the hardware address + choose the core it interupts. This allows you to manually move the interupts from the first core to any core you want. This can be tricky because you can also make the interupts worse by manually configuring them wrong. Microsoft also has documentation on how to set up a device for real time performance. TBH not a lot of this effects gaming, it helps, but the rest of the computer experience is maxed out when nothing has latency.
I own a Windows 11 DDR5 4800, MSI Z690 Pro A and i7-12700K and my latency is absurdly low, it's a music production build. I don't have a grqphics card installed and i don't install Windows updates. I also have Windows Update broken (2 years going on and is not fixed, windows gets stuck on pending updates on restart).
i think those are motherboards issues, I got a "creator motherboard", plugged my mouse in the USB2.0 port and never had a single dropout. 13700K. Ran latency Mon and my bars are very tiny, except in one test the Nvidia driver went up to 1100
I checked LatencyMon on my 13900KF and the latency values were pretty low. The most latency (about 650 us = 0.65 ms) had the stupid anti-malware executable from windows defender, but it could be fixed by turning off real-time antivirus protection. The "problem" was that I couldn't unpark P-cores no matter what. "Core parking index" was already at 100% by default, but the "CPU unpark" App shows 16 parked threads and 16 unparked (I have 32 threads enabled: 8 P-cores + hyper-threading and 16 E-cores). "Unpark all" button or changing system power plan are doing nothing. I also changed the registry key so that I have this parking option changeable in standard windows power plan settings, and it was also 100% by default. Maybe it's some power saving settings in BIOS
This issue has been reported since 11th I think the big little architectures causes havoc on Windows scheduler. I have a 13900k and have noticed it. I'm not convinced it is entirely Windows because the problem is probably caused by insurmountable technical issues of the big little and boost architecture of the Intel processor. If you don't have stable clocks and cooling it can be way worse. This is why alot if users disable half the cores on Intel processors by turning off E cores. Apparently the 10th gen had the lowest latency and no spikes.
cpu unpark was the fix for me. so weird cus i had the same problem as u with 14900k, random ridiculous spikes at times while i didnt notice any performance issues on any games or programs. But now latencymon shows positive numbers. Thanks for the help :)
CPU unpark was all I needed to do and I'm still running a balanced power plan... Thanks... No impact to idle current use, I monitor total power usage 24/7
I also went form 5900x with 32 gigs of 3200 hz ram to a 14900k and the cursor lag would always happen after I would close out of a game and only way I could fix it was to restart the whole pc
I was able to explain to the developers what debug mode for thermal set modes it is supposed to do until numbers level out , your chip might run hot on purpose to set parts layers and endurance check on the inside of the system
has anyone tried latency mon in admin mode vs non admin mode? because when normal application starts to communicate with cpu on kernel level… i dont know. i never had this on 5900x.
After months of pulling my hair out, 'CPU un park' appears to be the last piece of the puzzle. Finally gotten rid of all the micro Stutters in my games. Thank you for sharing.
If you can, it is always good to wait. If you cannot then build now, ...there are workarounds to most problems as this video beautifully exemplifies. Except for the heat and power consumption issue of top Intel chips. There isn't much that can be done to reduce power consumption without slowing down the cpus. I have the 12600 non k. I do not plan to upgrade because there is no good efficient chip on the platform worth upgrading to. Maybe 14600k but it is not much of an upgrade and probably not worth the money. I am not a big gamer.
When I boot my mouse freezes and freezes sometimes when opening programs...I have a year old Lenovo Legion Pro 5 laptop i7 37000hx with 16gb ddr5 RAM and a 4070... Did this out the box new.
Just did a quick latencymon check, tbh I've never noticed any sort of stutter on the desktop (recently, within the past year or so anyways). I'm on a 14700k and 64gb of 3600mhz DDR4/CL14 but with LatencyMon, ntoskrnl was showing highest DPC in excess of 750 us, which was still well in the green, but I decided to give unpark a go, (I do have Processo Lasso and Bitsum highest performance profile installed) and it lowered it to 290 us. Not sure how this would effect games, I do have a couple of games that are *SUPER* CPU intensive/bound, and I have a feeling this might help, particularly I play DCS, Digital Combat Simulator, and I do so in VR, and that game will bring even top notch CPUs to their knees, at least until the devs get their head out of their ass and update the damn game with Vulkan...
If it’s liquid cooled you might have not burned in syndrome as well as thermal compound set failure aka not hardening to a point to be peak and energy transfer per nanometer
I have a I7-14700KF and have no issues. with latency mon or mouse and daily tasks. I have downloaded cpu unpark but it does not work. It say parked cores but it shows the same amount of cores parked. Like about half of them. The total hard pagefault count went down to a few instead of a thousand in a minute or so. But it says all is fine as i feel as well. Snappy system as it should be.
Each generation of CPUs I tell reviewers to measure DPC latency. I am an audio engineer and rendering pictures is heavily covered in each reviewer's contribution - but no one covers audio. If they did, they would have discovered these issues earlier, which do have an impact on user experience like stutter in youtube videos, games, etc.
@DannyzReviews My question is does the InSpectre work with your 14900K? Did it help improve latency as I thought they baked the solution in the hardware. Please confirm coz if it did help I'd be happy to use it as I'm on a similiar architecture. Thank you 👍
I would say this is OS related issue and as you said there are too many features running on the CPU and the OS side that are trying to do the same thing. Unpark cores should solve the issue but the problem is that idle power usage will go up. Would be nice if there would be an easy way to just disable all these features on the OS side that are already implemented in newer CPUs to not double them. Great video!
unparking the cores my normal watts usage went up from 5 to 15, yay intel. seriously 15 watts on a 12900k system which can draw 820watt full load, lets not worry about idle power usage.
@@user-xu2zp3oh7hyou could make the case that Windows 11 implemented a feature saving 10W while RUINING user experience. Way to go Microshaft, I'm installing the parking mod tomorrow
I have an issue with my PC. With my build, I always thought it would be super fast to load my PC from off to on, but sometimes it takes as long as an HDD to load everything. (Sometimes 15-20 seconds) Another issue I see in a couple of games is my mouse will revert back to the center of my screen when I click/drag or something. (It like has a seizure and reverts back to the center) PC specs: Windows 10 Pro, Samsung 980 2TB, i9-13900k, 64gb ddr5, ASUS ROG Strix Z690. (We don't talk about my EVGA 1070 FTW, mmmk 😅)
It's great but a bitch to upgrade to new versions. It broke so badly when I wanted to upgrade to new version that I had to format and lost my data. Haven't bothered with atlas ever since.
There's also something cl, Which is clock latency? I think on your ram and someone said that for every cl It's equivalent to 200 MHz Not sure how correct that is but I read it on an article
Thanks for the video, it was informative. However, your "test" to see how unparking the cores impacted gaming wasn't the correct one to run. When you run games at 1080p on a 4090, you're going to max out all the cores the game utilizes so they're almost always going to be in the unparked state anyway. Therefore, you shouldn't expect to see any changes. Where'd you expect to see improvements is when games aren't maxing out the CPU (or have occasional threads ran like background loading). You needed to do the opposite type of test - run games when they're not CPU bound (such as 4K) or have areas where additional threads are created (yes, I know that part is hard to test). Then you can observe if keeping the cores unparked and ready leads to improvements - most notably in the 1% lows. The 1% lows you did see improvement in was likely because those games had occasional threads fire off that now didn't have to wait for a core to unpark so it could start running.
One thing I've noticed is that Intel CPU's always seem to perform better on High/Ultimate Peformance Power Plans. However, AMD seems to be unique in that at times, Balanced or their own Ryzen Power Plans tend to peform better.
Interesting video, seems people actually have an issue with the intel cpus i mean as far as i can tell by using my pc for over a year ive not had any latency issues that i personally can tell other than boot times being slower on 13th gen compared to 4th gen which is also interesting tho so i assume intel had to change quite a few things compared to 11th gen and below that might be causing latency issues?
The latest gen faster DDR5 RAM has been shown to not help gaming, and very little help even with other applications. Remember to spend money wisely depending on one's PC needs when contemplating hardware updates...
It smells more like the "unlocked" CPU and the Motherboard settings are not in agreement. I have my W clocked at 270 short burst and 253 as per specs from Intel, but it leaves a lot of power on the table, this is not why I bought the 13900K. I have a motherboard that is at the lower end of the pile. I have ordered a more up to date motherboard and will see how it affects my performance, which is oddly enough different (at the moment) every day. I got up this morning and my system was sitting at the bios screen..... TBH I never had problems with the 13700KF I had before.
Now i know why my audio suddenly stopped working and only a restart fixed it. It happend a lot but totally stopped a fee months ago at least for now. One other problem i had, is that my system wouldn’t stay in sleep mode as my build in network card would randomly wake my system up. The only fix i found was to disable "allow this device to wake up system" ( or whatever it was called in device manager) on my network card. If i actually needed the wake on lan feature, well i would be f****** I7 13700kf Gigabyte z690 aorus ultra
You have so few cores that windows never uses Core parking in games. Gaming on stock 3.6Ghz ecores is hopeless. On a 14900k you 16 ecores and windows parks them all the time in Pubg. Causes lagg when game tries to use them and have to wait the unpark time. Ocing the ecores from the lame stock 4.3Ghz to 4.6-5Ghz with no parking this blows 12th gen out of the water suddenly. I've had both and wasnt really impressed by the 14900k until I got the games to use the ecores with parking off. Parking is 10x more noticable than oc'ing to put things in perspective.
Ran latency mon for 1 hour on windows 10… all tweaked timer res sleep measure is 1.01ms. 50US spikes max. 0.41 avg driver latency 1.12 avg process latency. Idle is enabled btw. Same CPU as you just with E-waste off and ht off
And there are so many optimized versions of windows eleven, There's tiny 11, System x, System x lite, flibustier, And optimizers that you can add to it like revi os and Atlas os
Ya that's a driver windows peoblem..I have a 13700k all p core 5.7 and 7900xtx, plus 38gb 6400 mem, and I never have issues with lag or latency, unless I'm editing 4-6k video with effects..
It’s not related to your chipset, it’s related to Windows itself. As many of y’all are likely aware, windows is bloated. the difference you can achieve simply by Debloating windows shows that it’s not hardware related
Its a windows issue and the only way to solve it for good once it starts happening is a fresh install. Latency mon will point at your gpu driver regardless of vendor, but the core issue and solution is always the same. Fresh windows. Things like this are why only windows is on the C drive. Everything else including the downloads, pictures, documents etc folders is on separate drives. As well as games and program installs that dont require the C drive. This also isnt an Intel, Nvidia, or AMD issue, the only one to blame is Microsoft.
i have a 12400 and defiinitelly wont upgrade to anything from intel for sure... most likely will go for AM5 eventually, if zen 6 works on it wich i dont know.
My 14900k is suffering from thousands of hard page faults causing audio dropouts. I need this system for multitrack audio recordings. i am very sorry i bought this horrible intel dog.
Not the same issue or rather cause that those two RUclipsrs talked about. Techyescity ie Bryan said it was because it was a chiplet like issue. But lga1700 are monolithic... he was making a hen out of feathers...
Latncy mon shows maximum deflections across all 6 bars which leads to sound problem for no internet, mouse stuttering. 13900k, 4090 Asus Strix Rog Z690 i Wifi gaming
If I would go for any upgrade of cpu, that would be just either 12400f or R5 7500f. But its also rumored that Intel should come with new chips even with no hyperthreading with improved gaming performance. I am neither much into Intel rectangular cpu socket nor that AMD one with some components on chip not covered by heat spreader. But maybe these issues spoken here in vid are kind less common, just not much usual. I did myself most of my PC builds DIY and for mainly or almost solely PC gaming there were no major issues.. maybe even thanks to using budget cpus and no OC memory. But I have to accept if there are some issues with Windows then brings alot of headache. 👉 Just to mention 2 apps which I found pretty usefull for me: Winaero Tweaker (did for cutting boot times) and Clonezilla (which is maybe obsolete) - for really lightning fast OS and whole drive backup and restore (50GB large OS + few apps took just 8min to clone between 2 nvme 3.0 SSDs).
There is a rool ive bought for 20$ called tox tweaks that clearly fixed all latency ..i was curious and measured befor and after and i went from avg 156.75us latency to insane avg 1.32 idk how does that work but nothink looks overclocked and i avrage 15%ish more fps to .. Also aim feels unfairly responsive and i can hot shots so effortlessly .. I guess best spent 20$ so far 🤓
be careful about constantly unparking your CPU, it shouldn't have to be always 100% at the ready, depending on how that app does it, it could vastly increase power consumption and heat. This is never an issue for ryzen, so I'm not too sure, but heard bad stuff. I'm pretty sure there's a better way for intel cpus.
I have zero issues with them being at high performance. Intel CPUs are downclocking cores that they don't use to 700mhz for a second. Undervolting my CPU also made it running at higher boost clock with lower temps, now it's always under 70c even at 100% usage in rpcs3 while generating cache and never crashing or bluescreening. Watt usage is still good enough since it all depends on core usage not core mhz.
Undervolting a 13/14 gen CPU produces instability, just reverse it to solve the problem, it is better to limit the PL1/PL2 TDP and CCL to intel recommended values.
I forgot to mention, I did also reset everything in the bios to default while still enforcing stock intel limits. Xmp was also disabled and the problem still persisted. Undervolting and OC can introduce issues like this but only IF its unstable. As I had mentioned I did validate stability so there's no issues there.
i have an exam tommorow about Hpc could you help me
Why support a genocide and at the same time compromise on performance in your computer
Thank you for helping me and working with me.
If core parking is an issue, you can also disable the c-state C6 in BIOS. If necessary also C3, but for most folks, the first tweak is already sufficient. When disabling C3+C6, the CPU can still save power via C1/C1E, which are very, very fast recover from. The core "unpark" software is essentially doing the same, but on the OS level. BIOS does it in hardware, which could theoretically work even better, because the feature doesn't even get advertised to the OS then.
C3 is "L1/L2 cache flush, clocks off, voltage stays on", while C6 is "C3 + dumping all registers, PLL off, voltage off(!)". It's esentially shutting down the core almost fully and thus has a much higher transition latency upon wakeup.
That's good to know thanks. So in the BIOS, under C-states, selecting c0/c1 should make the trick ?
@@user-vl4iq7bj5e Why ? I thought disabling c-states improved smoothness (better 1% and 0.1% lows) ?
@@user-vl4iq7bj5eWhy would anyone listen to you if you aren’t going to give a quality response to his comment
Thank you for this information mate ❤
This is more than likely a Windows issue. Even with the Brian Video an Intel Engineer went into the Comment and left a lengthy message about the subject saying they are aware of the issue and it is related to Windows OS. Not surprising. I honestly probably would switch to Linux if I would take the time to learn it. Windows is just of those necessary evils that come with PCs unfortunately.
software bugs aren't exclusive to Windows.
Linux is also not bug-free and as for the learning part... well... today's Linux looks for the end user like Windows so nothing to learn here really.
Was the comment left on Part 1 or Part 2 of Brian's video? I cannot find the comment, can you help with the user name or something to find it?
Windows sucks but not as bad as this generation of Intel CPUs 😂
I agree
I just disabled E cores and set P cores to a static frequency. Havent once had issues with stuttering or lagging with any 12-14th gen CPUs. Ive played with most every cpu in the lineup.
how do you disable e cores? in bios? or did you use an app?
@@orlandoluckey5978 bios.. overclock area and go into cpu config
This is the way
same, no other way unfortunately
I did a video on this with Tech Yes City also involved. Tech yes and I have spoken to each other behind the scenes. We believe that its an issue that essentially varies chip to chip. Almost like silicon lottery (same idea).
EDIT: Hey thank you for including me in this! Yeah the original video was pretty crazy in the comments. I went ahead and counted every comment while the video was up, about users having the issue. It came to 35% of users saying they suffered the same issues across both windows 10 and 11, but you were right about the trolls. They really went for me man. Got a bit nutty.
Glad to see your covering this.
no worries man! This issue definitely has me puzzled because of how wildly different the experiences were between users. And with so many variables involved it makes narrowing it down that much harder. I remember there was a similar weird issue with first gen Ryzen which would cause segfaults and I ended up having to RMA my Ryzen 7 1800X. Some chips weren't effected but for the ones that were it would cause strange behaviour sort of like what some users are reporting with their intel chips.
I stopped caring about the trolls a long time ago, by all means they can start their own channel and make their own videos if they really want to get the point across.
Crackin Lackin.
@@DannyzReviews I do actually remember that on first Gen Ryzen also. They pretty much solved most of those issues by Zen 2 which was nice.
Intel has been having this same kind of issue across the entire hybrid architecture. I spent almost a half a year pulling my hair out.
Happy to see the core parking and solid undervolts really helped your machine.
I'll be curious to see how the comments do on this video as it grows with time.
@@DannyzReviews thanks for that. I must admit I went AM5 because I had reservations concerning Intel's hybrid set up re gaming. I'm curious, did you pass the audio latency test after those adjustments?
@@techwandoUS I am about to upgrade my system soon since you are so invested into this issue did you hear if this issue persists on the core ultra 200 series? I am tempted by the IO offered by the Z890 platform and multithreaded performance. I know its weak at gaming but I would rather avoid dual CCD CPUs and elevate further from 8 cores that I currently run.
Just a tip. If you're testing CPU latency on games. You should test it on the most CPU based game ever made which is CS2. All of the games you tested depend on GPU mostly.
This is great information I thought I was going crazy when I saw my mouse cursor moving funny. Thank you for making this video 😊
Dealing with this with a new i9-14900hx laptop, this definitely improved results in LatencyMon, thank you!!! This earned a sub!
WOW, this fixed it all. 12900k, 3090ti and 64gig 5200 34cas ram would struggle to access a seperate downloads drive in file manager. VS2022 would stutter and lag loading.
Unparking the cores it is now so quick i have to slow down clicking. Max power usage on this system under full load could get to 820 watt, idle/normal office workload was less the 5 watt and now with all the cores active it is less than 15 watt with exceptional response.
I can live with an increase of 10 watt. thank you
What exactly did you try ? I’m in the same boat where I occasionally get stutters but I would like to try and fix those few issues 😂
I used the app Tech yes city used to unpark cores with the lower settings under cpu powermanagement. BY GOD IT improved performance and got rid of hard stutters in Pubg. The stutters is 90% concurrent with visible core parking in Task manager. Oc ing the the ecores to 4.6Ghz and setting the preference to all cores instead of P er E helped balance the workload out. So in case of massive uptick in load, like shooting out of a car the games dont have those fps drops anymore. Gamefeel and hitreg was unaffected, so still usable even with the game running on ecores. Ring ran at 4.7Ghz. I'm now running just 8 ecores since the last 8 have a massive ram latency penalty but in some games like SC I would turn those on in bios too. That Core Parking has killed my gaming experience for 3 years, I'm so mad at Windows right now.
When you say you run only 8 E-Cores is it from 0-8? Or some odd number. Why does the other 8 E-Cores add latency?!Thanks 👍
what is the app called?
@@rameshenzo8249 From the mlcc app it seems that 1-16 ecores are connected in a string like manor. So ecores at the start of the string have a short distance and nr 16 has the longest distance. This is just speculation but if you measures this the results shows LONGER delay the more cores you activate. Ecores comes in clusters of 4. So 4 clusters gives 4 x 4 gives 16 total ecores. I'm just a regular Joe testing what I can with available apps, so if you found other results pls post them here. Theres very little available info on this subject online.
Man, I have a 14700k and a 4090. I got most of my lags in CS2 and it was frustrating. Unparking the CPU Cores fixed all my issues !!! I just hope it stays like this... do i have to do that every time I boot my system ? Thanks so much for the video !!!
first thing i tested, it keeps the setting, yay!
Did you change any other options in bios or windows or only you install CPU Unparked ?
@llExpert You can also change it in the registry. There are other videos on youtube wich show how to do it. By pressing win+R and typing in "resmon" you can see wich cores are parked and wich are not
@zentiremusic123 what do you mean by parked?
@@zentiremusic123 Did you make any changes in the bios? I have the same CPU but after unparking the CPU cores the lag seems worse
Windows is not aware of parked cores effectively compared to Power saving. Latency tends to suffer across the board and figuring out workarounds is tedious
Are you going to make a video on how to make the timer work on windows 10 through the use of the dpclat driver? Win 11 is poopoo now. I got a way lower average on my timer with win 10
I will try this as well thanks. the biggest dpc fix for me before this was enabling MSI (message signal interupt) mode on all supported hardware in my PC. i think mainly the audio device not being on MSI.
another thing that made every game run better was turn off hyperthread.
4:00 if you're having this specific issue where whenever you go into a folder it starts to do this one by one slowly
this means you have a corrupted windows filesystem cache.
you need to do these following steps.
1. you might wanna go into safe mode for these cause only in safe mode you can delete everything properly
(to go into safe mode, you need to hold down SHIFT while you click on "RESTART" and keep holding till PC restarts
after that you go to Troubleshoot then Advanced options then Startup Settings. thats it.)
2. now that we're in safe mode (if everything is way too big just right-click anywhere on your desktop and click on "Display Settings"
here you just change the resolution to something more sane like 1080 or higher. now we're back to smaller icons ok.
3. now press Windows Key + R to open RUN then type:
shell:recent\AutomaticDestinations
..now press enter and now delete the entire contents of the folder.
and exit the folder and lets do it again for yet another directory.
4. just as before, press Windows Key + R to open RUN the type:
shell:recent\CustomDestinations
..same thing now, delete the entire content of the folder and exit.
5. now restart normally and you'll be back to your normal desktop
and hopefully the issue is now fixed.
if this doesn't help, you'll have to google a little bit about how to use
DISM and SFX and CLEAN BOOT etc etc etc
*sfc.. not sfx (ma bad)
Yeah, I have a 14900k and when playing Fortnite I get the WiFi down symbol despite haveing a wired connection. The issue comes and goes.
I have audio pop issues using a go xlrm mini and also experienced microstutter in games. I have tested the same cpu in 3 different motherboards all experienced the same problem. I will try out the CPU Unpark tool to see if that fixes my issues.
I'm very curious about your results
Yeah let us know man I have the same set up and I noticed the same thing!
@@SLICKOMODE I will do, give me some days to test, it usually happened everyday. So far so good since using it. Only have to run the tool once and it applies all the time so doesn't need to be opened again. Im using balanced profile so my cpu still downclocks but no core parking.
@@techwandoUS Give me some days to test, it usually happened everyday. So far so good since using it. Only have to run the tool once and it applies all the time so doesn't need to be opened again. Im using balanced profile so my cpu still downclocks but no core parking.
I do music production, i basically set power limits to infinity and no core parking. Core parking tanks real time perfomance for audio, even on an i7-4700MQ that i still own and is quite descent for that.
Unpark all of the cores, the method really doesnt matter(registry,powerexplorer, app) as long as its a permanent setting change. Also lock your cores to 1 frequency, p and e cores, even make you ring cache locked. Enjoy
I upgraded from 9700 to 11700 to 12700k, and i found performance drop and stuttering when i first got the 12700k and i knew something off in the first few days of usage but couldnt tell whats going wrong especially when the processor scoring on benchmarks identical to everybody else, and compred to my former builds the pc felt slower and stuttery mess even when only web browsing, gaming even worse, somehow i opened task manager and found that all my p cores were parked on light tasks and i was limited to 4 E cores then searched and tried multiple ways to disable core parking, the first one by registry which failed, the second was the program you mentioned which also failed dont know why didnt work back then, probably you used newer version, and i ended up using "park control" which still get updates monthly, also newer versions give you more control for how windows schedule tasks between e cores and p cores, i also would like to add that core parking issue is metigated on windows 11, but even on windows 11 id still install park control for intel processors with e cores.
Do you face any problems now? We’re fully able to fix the issue or do you still have occasional stutters or anything? I have the same cpu but I’m considering a switch to am5.
@@nolyfe4814 I fixed the issue after 20 days of usage by installing park control, ever since no issues, all stuttering mess gone, the processor work like a bullet, i split tasks using it, e cores for short threads and p cores to long threads, now i have 14700k with disabled HT to lower processor temperature and avoid degredation.
@@nolyfe4814 after installing park control and disabling core parking the processor work flawlessly
I just got a 14900KF and a 4090 and am having issues in multiple games. Some game crashes at the same place, some other games wouldn't even start. Some games told me I didn't have available memory. I fixed that by changing the mode on my motherboard, which turned off a bunch of cores. Still crashes but the memory issue is gone. I've read multiple places that they advise me to downclock my CPU, which seems like a weird fix. I left AMD because I was tired of driver timeouts, driver crashes and other issues. Seems like it was a bad calculation since intel is the one with issues now.
I had the stuttering issues so bad I ended up ditching my 13700KF. I went through all sorts of things before the Tech Yes videos came out and eventually got so annoyed I just sold it and moved to a 7800X3D. The best way I found to detect it was to use a high refresh rate display (in my case a 240hz 1440p) and just move the mouse in a consistent circle in the middle of the monitor, just on the desktop with nothing else open I could clearly see and feel the stutters and you would see gaps open up around the "circle" of mouse pointers whenever it stuttered. Latencymon didn't detect anything abnormal but it drove me crazy. I tried Windows 10 and 11, TPM on and off, all sorts of things including shutting down the E-cores, etc.
So You have 0.1% low drops in games and after move to ryzen it is okay now?
@@Zgredzio No, games were fine. To be honest, the only CPU that has had a problem with gaming was I bought a 7950X3D when they launched (before the 7800X3D came out) and it was miserable before they smoothed out the 3D driver. The stutter I was having was during desktop use, photo editing and that kind of thing. It was blatantly obvious, there was no question if it was happening or not. When using a 240hz monitor you could move the mouse in steady circles and see the pointer pause every few milliseconds.
@@arc00ta nothing to do with cpu, your problem was just with how your os was configured
@@mimimiXRP wrong.
@@mimimiXRP True I'm on i7 12700k and its very responsive and even ecores helps my framerate especially in emulators.
The latency rabbit hole is deep but unparked cores does work well. To go further you need additional tools from microsoft. Interupt affinity policy tool + device manager allows you to find the hardware address + choose the core it interupts. This allows you to manually move the interupts from the first core to any core you want. This can be tricky because you can also make the interupts worse by manually configuring them wrong. Microsoft also has documentation on how to set up a device for real time performance. TBH not a lot of this effects gaming, it helps, but the rest of the computer experience is maxed out when nothing has latency.
Realtek audio drivers separate download vs Windows Update driver also affects latency.
I own a Windows 11 DDR5 4800, MSI Z690 Pro A and i7-12700K and my latency is absurdly low, it's a music production build. I don't have a grqphics card installed and i don't install Windows updates. I also have Windows Update broken (2 years going on and is not fixed, windows gets stuck on pending updates on restart).
How low does it get on latency mon
@@Frozoken Around 20 microseconds.
@@saricubra2867 we're talking dpc latency?
@@Frozoken Yes
@@Frozoken 2021 BIOS, 2021 i7 batch (my 12700K has AVX512 instructions but i have to turn off the e-cores to activate them.
for me the fix was unistalling intels arc drivers for the igpu.
I don't seem to get any problems with my 13900kf. It could be sa voltage thats what id try adjusting 1st rather than faffing in windows
Can you explain why System agent voltage would be the issue? Are you implying it affects RTL/IO or induces a lower effective clock?
@@user-hq9fp8sm8f it can lock up or create stuttering if not tuned right some motherboards need more than others
everyone follow Alex’s guide (toonnut shouted him out). It tells you everything you need to know about DPC latency.
i think those are motherboards issues, I got a "creator motherboard", plugged my mouse in the USB2.0 port and never had a single dropout. 13700K.
Ran latency Mon and my bars are very tiny, except in one test the Nvidia driver went up to 1100
I checked LatencyMon on my 13900KF and the latency values were pretty low. The most latency (about 650 us = 0.65 ms) had the stupid anti-malware executable from windows defender, but it could be fixed by turning off real-time antivirus protection. The "problem" was that I couldn't unpark P-cores no matter what. "Core parking index" was already at 100% by default, but the "CPU unpark" App shows 16 parked threads and 16 unparked (I have 32 threads enabled: 8 P-cores + hyper-threading and 16 E-cores). "Unpark all" button or changing system power plan are doing nothing. I also changed the registry key so that I have this parking option changeable in standard windows power plan settings, and it was also 100% by default. Maybe it's some power saving settings in BIOS
This issue has been reported since 11th I think the big little architectures causes havoc on Windows scheduler. I have a 13900k and have noticed it. I'm not convinced it is entirely Windows because the problem is probably caused by insurmountable technical issues of the big little and boost architecture of the Intel processor. If you don't have stable clocks and cooling it can be way worse. This is why alot if users disable half the cores on Intel processors by turning off E cores. Apparently the 10th gen had the lowest latency and no spikes.
cpu unpark was the fix for me. so weird cus i had the same problem as u with 14900k, random ridiculous spikes at times while i didnt notice any performance issues on any games or programs. But now latencymon shows positive numbers. Thanks for the help :)
CPU unpark was all I needed to do and I'm still running a balanced power plan... Thanks...
No impact to idle current use, I monitor total power usage 24/7
Pretty sure the mouse lag issue is a Windows 10 issue because I changed to a 7950x and I still get this issue sometimes.
I also went form 5900x with 32 gigs of 3200 hz ram to a 14900k and the cursor lag would always happen after I would close out of a game and only way I could fix it was to restart the whole pc
I was able to explain to the developers what debug mode for thermal set modes it is supposed to do until numbers level out , your chip might run hot on purpose to set parts layers and endurance check on the inside of the system
has anyone tried latency mon in admin mode vs non admin mode? because when normal application starts to communicate with cpu on kernel level… i dont know. i never had this on 5900x.
After months of pulling my hair out, 'CPU un park' appears to be the last piece of the puzzle. Finally gotten rid of all the micro Stutters in my games. Thank you for sharing.
i have i7 14700kf, i am facing network delay and input delays alot,please make video on how to fix it
I want to build a strong PC. Should i wait for the arrow lake CPUs? When will the ones with integrated graphics come out? End of 2025?
If you can, it is always good to wait. If you cannot then build now, ...there are workarounds to most problems as this video beautifully exemplifies. Except for the heat and power consumption issue of top Intel chips. There isn't much that can be done to reduce power consumption without slowing down the cpus. I have the 12600 non k. I do not plan to upgrade because there is no good efficient chip on the platform worth upgrading to. Maybe 14600k but it is not much of an upgrade and probably not worth the money. I am not a big gamer.
When I boot my mouse freezes and freezes sometimes when opening programs...I have a year old Lenovo Legion Pro 5 laptop i7 37000hx with 16gb ddr5 RAM and a 4070... Did this out the box new.
Did that park application and ran that line for ultimate performance and it's running a lot better..thanks
great video like always Danny
Thanks for the video.
It went away but after running it for 10 minutes the message comes back on latency mon
Just did a quick latencymon check, tbh I've never noticed any sort of stutter on the desktop (recently, within the past year or so anyways). I'm on a 14700k and 64gb of 3600mhz DDR4/CL14
but with LatencyMon, ntoskrnl was showing highest DPC in excess of 750 us, which was still well in the green, but I decided to give unpark a go, (I do have Processo Lasso and Bitsum highest performance profile installed) and it lowered it to 290 us. Not sure how this would effect games, I do have a couple of games that are *SUPER* CPU intensive/bound, and I have a feeling this might help, particularly I play DCS, Digital Combat Simulator, and I do so in VR, and that game will bring even top notch CPUs to their knees, at least until the devs get their head out of their ass and update the damn game with Vulkan...
This helped ALOT! Thanks
Yeah, have this issue on 13600k. Sometimes the mouse would start to lag for a few seconds. Or the file manager. That sort of thing.
No entendí nada de lonque dijo ojalá fuera en español pero ese problema tengo en una laptop asus tuf gaming a15 amd
If it’s liquid cooled you might have not burned in syndrome as well as thermal compound set failure aka not hardening to a point to be peak and energy transfer per nanometer
ok, pour tch oil over cpu then invoke loki and suck like nutrinos
I have a I7-14700KF and have no issues. with latency mon or mouse and daily tasks. I have downloaded cpu unpark but it does not work. It say parked cores but it shows the same amount of cores parked. Like about half of them. The total hard pagefault count went down to a few instead of a thousand in a minute or so. But it says all is fine as i feel as well. Snappy system as it should be.
Each generation of CPUs I tell reviewers to measure DPC latency. I am an audio engineer and rendering pictures is heavily covered in each reviewer's contribution - but no one covers audio. If they did, they would have discovered these issues earlier, which do have an impact on user experience like stutter in youtube videos, games, etc.
@DannyzReviews My question is does the InSpectre work with your 14900K? Did it help improve latency as I thought they baked the solution in the hardware. Please confirm coz if it did help I'd be happy to use it as I'm on a similiar architecture. Thank you 👍
I would say this is OS related issue and as you said there are too many features running on the CPU and the OS side that are trying to do the same thing.
Unpark cores should solve the issue but the problem is that idle power usage will go up.
Would be nice if there would be an easy way to just disable all these features on the OS side that are already implemented in newer CPUs to not double them.
Great video!
unparking the cores my normal watts usage went up from 5 to 15, yay intel. seriously 15 watts on a 12900k system which can draw 820watt full load, lets not worry about idle power usage.
@@user-xu2zp3oh7hyou could make the case that Windows 11 implemented a feature saving 10W while RUINING user experience. Way to go Microshaft, I'm installing the parking mod tomorrow
would like to ask
how long did u monitor after using uncorepark and ultimate power option? with testing heavy load?
Cpu Unpark helped me, along with uninstalling nvidia HD audio driver.
You can also remove all the nvidia garbage from AutoStart except for the NvContainer and NVDisplayConteiner
I have an issue with my PC.
With my build, I always thought it would be super fast to load my PC from off to on, but sometimes it takes as long as an HDD to load everything. (Sometimes 15-20 seconds)
Another issue I see in a couple of games is my mouse will revert back to the center of my screen when I click/drag or something. (It like has a seizure and reverts back to the center)
PC specs:
Windows 10 Pro,
Samsung 980 2TB, i9-13900k, 64gb ddr5, ASUS ROG Strix Z690. (We don't talk about my EVGA 1070 FTW, mmmk 😅)
No issues as described on 13700F on Asrock Sonic B760M, Win 11, GSKill 16GBx2 DDR5 6000 XMP
have you tried AtlasOS ? i use it with windows 11. when i boot up windows it has 81 processes running in task manager .
It's great but a bitch to upgrade to new versions. It broke so badly when I wanted to upgrade to new version that I had to format and lost my data. Haven't bothered with atlas ever since.
There's also something cl, Which is clock latency? I think on your ram and someone said that for every cl It's equivalent to 200 MHz Not sure how correct that is but I read it on an article
Had the same issue on 13600k in HDAudBus and the fix was to put it on difference cores.
Thank you, CPU unpark fixed it for me. Do you have keep running the program all the time or just run it once?
My 13th gen laptop has weird audio and latency issues
Thanks for the video, it was informative. However, your "test" to see how unparking the cores impacted gaming wasn't the correct one to run. When you run games at 1080p on a 4090, you're going to max out all the cores the game utilizes so they're almost always going to be in the unparked state anyway. Therefore, you shouldn't expect to see any changes. Where'd you expect to see improvements is when games aren't maxing out the CPU (or have occasional threads ran like background loading). You needed to do the opposite type of test - run games when they're not CPU bound (such as 4K) or have areas where additional threads are created (yes, I know that part is hard to test). Then you can observe if keeping the cores unparked and ready leads to improvements - most notably in the 1% lows. The 1% lows you did see improvement in was likely because those games had occasional threads fire off that now didn't have to wait for a core to unpark so it could start running.
Every 'windows' install is different, and random stuff just repairs, but others just breaks.
13th and 14th gen instability issue now a thing officially.
Just opening handbrake has sped up ca 3x for me since using the Disable Core Parking app, thanks!
since you're talking about DPCs then these must be Windows systems. Have you tried other operating systems (i.e. Linux)? Other versions of Windows?
One thing I've noticed is that Intel CPU's always seem to perform better on High/Ultimate Peformance Power Plans. However, AMD seems to be unique in that at times, Balanced or their own Ryzen Power Plans tend to peform better.
Interesting video, seems people actually have an issue with the intel cpus i mean as far as i can tell by using my pc for over a year ive not had any latency issues that i personally can tell other than boot times being slower on 13th gen compared to 4th gen which is also interesting tho so i assume intel had to change quite a few things compared to 11th gen and below that might be causing latency issues?
nice info to have thank you
What i noticed is if you have a lot of these programs they all interfere and mess your system up. I deleted all but one and it fixed eveything for me.
the best video solution.thank you.
Do I need to unpack all cores every time I reboot or is it one time operation?
u can just turn on a task scheduler to put your pc into a power state that disables core parking
The latest gen faster DDR5 RAM has been shown to not help gaming, and very little help even with other applications. Remember to spend money wisely depending on one's PC needs when contemplating hardware updates...
only now considering raptor lake because 7800x3d was blasting vsoc even after bios patches fixes tweaks etc🤡 fwiw in helldivers 2
It smells more like the "unlocked" CPU and the Motherboard settings are not in agreement. I have my W clocked at 270 short burst and 253 as per specs from Intel, but it leaves a lot of power on the table, this is not why I bought the 13900K. I have a motherboard that is at the lower end of the pile. I have ordered a more up to date motherboard and will see how it affects my performance, which is oddly enough different (at the moment) every day. I got up this morning and my system was sitting at the bios screen..... TBH I never had problems with the 13700KF I had before.
Now i know why my audio suddenly stopped working and only a restart fixed it. It happend a lot but totally stopped a fee months ago at least for now.
One other problem i had, is that my system wouldn’t stay in sleep mode as my build in network card would randomly wake my system up. The only fix i found was to disable "allow this device to wake up system" ( or whatever it was called in device manager) on my network card.
If i actually needed the wake on lan feature, well i would be f******
I7 13700kf
Gigabyte z690 aorus ultra
I also need a solution, cpuunpark doesnt help
No problem for me either with a 12700k watercooled on a msi edge z690.. ran dpc latency monitor and everything is fine.
You have so few cores that windows never uses Core parking in games. Gaming on stock 3.6Ghz ecores is hopeless. On a 14900k you 16 ecores and windows parks them all the time in Pubg. Causes lagg when game tries to use them and have to wait the unpark time. Ocing the ecores from the lame stock 4.3Ghz to 4.6-5Ghz with no parking this blows 12th gen out of the water suddenly. I've had both and wasnt really impressed by the 14900k until I got the games to use the ecores with parking off. Parking is 10x more noticable than oc'ing to put things in perspective.
Same here with 12900K + Z690 TORPEDO and 2x16GB 6666 memory.
Ran latency mon for 1 hour on windows 10… all tweaked timer res sleep measure is 1.01ms. 50US spikes max. 0.41 avg driver latency 1.12 avg process latency. Idle is enabled btw. Same CPU as you just with E-waste off and ht off
I also own an 12700K but air cooled and MSI Z690 Pro A, 20 microseconds of latency.
Does this behavior happen on both DDR5 and DDR4 systems or just DDR5?
Both technologies yes, core parking is a cpu issue, not ram..
And there are so many optimized versions of windows eleven, There's tiny 11, System x, System x lite, flibustier, And optimizers that you can add to it like revi os and Atlas os
Ya that's a driver windows peoblem..I have a 13700k all p core 5.7 and 7900xtx, plus 38gb 6400 mem, and I never have issues with lag or latency, unless I'm editing 4-6k video with effects..
Neat vid. For me it was this exact thing and ASUS' PCI Express Native Power Management. Even with Windows' own pci-e power saving turned off.
It’s not related to your chipset, it’s related to Windows itself. As many of y’all are likely aware, windows is bloated. the difference you can achieve simply by Debloating windows shows that it’s not hardware related
Techwando ist such a great name!
Its a windows issue and the only way to solve it for good once it starts happening is a fresh install. Latency mon will point at your gpu driver regardless of vendor, but the core issue and solution is always the same. Fresh windows. Things like this are why only windows is on the C drive. Everything else including the downloads, pictures, documents etc folders is on separate drives. As well as games and program installs that dont require the C drive. This also isnt an Intel, Nvidia, or AMD issue, the only one to blame is Microsoft.
i have a 12400 and defiinitelly wont upgrade to anything from intel for sure... most likely will go for AM5 eventually, if zen 6 works on it wich i dont know.
again, unparkcpu didnt help me (rtx 4090, I9 13900K)
pls I need help.
My 14900k is suffering from thousands of hard page faults causing audio dropouts. I need this system for multitrack audio recordings. i am very sorry i bought this horrible intel dog.
Video comparing
13900k stock with 7200 tuned
Vs
14900k stock with 8000 tuned
How much of a gain is really made between both systems.
I get the same mouse and file Explorer lags on my 13th gen laptop.
Not the same issue or rather cause that those two RUclipsrs talked about. Techyescity ie Bryan said it was because it was a chiplet like issue. But lga1700 are monolithic... he was making a hen out of feathers...
Latncy mon shows maximum deflections across all 6 bars which leads to sound problem for no internet, mouse stuttering. 13900k, 4090 Asus Strix Rog Z690 i Wifi gaming
If I would go for any upgrade of cpu, that would be just either 12400f or R5 7500f.
But its also rumored that Intel should come with new chips even with no hyperthreading with improved gaming performance.
I am neither much into Intel rectangular cpu socket nor that AMD one with some components on chip not covered by heat spreader.
But maybe these issues spoken here in vid are kind less common, just not much usual.
I did myself most of my PC builds DIY and for mainly or almost solely PC gaming there were no major issues.. maybe even thanks to using budget cpus and no OC memory.
But I have to accept if there are some issues with Windows then brings alot of headache.
👉
Just to mention 2 apps which I found pretty usefull for me: Winaero Tweaker (did for cutting boot times) and Clonezilla (which is maybe obsolete) - for really lightning fast OS and whole drive backup and restore (50GB large OS + few apps took just 8min to clone between 2 nvme 3.0 SSDs).
There is a rool ive bought for 20$ called tox tweaks that clearly fixed all latency ..i was curious and measured befor and after and i went from avg 156.75us latency to insane avg 1.32 idk how does that work but nothink looks overclocked and i avrage 15%ish more fps to .. Also aim feels unfairly responsive and i can hot shots so effortlessly .. I guess best spent 20$ so far 🤓
For extreme performance put the windows on power (high performance) when it is on balanced have High latency
It helps to some extent
be careful about constantly unparking your CPU, it shouldn't have to be always 100% at the ready, depending on how that app does it, it could vastly increase power consumption and heat. This is never an issue for ryzen, so I'm not too sure, but heard bad stuff. I'm pretty sure there's a better way for intel cpus.
@@astrea555
The processors are almost unusable with core parking, if you are worried about heat you could disable HT and undervolt the processor.
I have zero issues with them being at high performance. Intel CPUs are downclocking cores that they don't use to 700mhz for a second. Undervolting my CPU also made it running at higher boost clock with lower temps, now it's always under 70c even at 100% usage in rpcs3 while generating cache and never crashing or bluescreening. Watt usage is still good enough since it all depends on core usage not core mhz.
@@factsseeker3542 HT is always worthless in modern CPUs it requires much higher voltages and give zero or miniscule perf gain
Thank you, unparked worked for me.
Intel did move the I/O HUB from the CPU to the board. That has to have an impact on latency.
What do you mean parked cores? Does it mean they are not active in the current tasks?
Undervolting a 13/14 gen CPU produces instability, just reverse it to solve the problem, it is better to limit the PL1/PL2 TDP and CCL to intel recommended values.
Disable Sysmain/Superfetch service to improve latency.
This is an absolute must even for those not into Gaming.