Pretty much, but what also fixes intel's issues is not allowing their CPUs to go over 160-170W... They literally get 92% of the performance at 125W that they do at 350-400W
Gamers nexus is not on a crusade against intel. He’s on a crusade to get consumer protection for customers of intel. I think that’s an important distinction.
Contemporary CPUs overclock themself to the maximum if required, while use minimal energy when they are idle. This behavior adds complexity for turning or further OC.
Evidently The MB manufacturers barely have Associate Degrees. lol. Intel is acting like a new graduate hire trying to run their first business. One wonders exactly HOW much of a brain drain they all are still suffering from due to Covid.
@@kenobi639They need to start talking about that. The only way people can get any use out of their machine after getting cash for their 14900k is to get a 12900k. If they are actually making a CPU that works in the 14th gen socket as a mitigation strategy then it's hugely important to let consumers know that.
Jay didn't even mention the fact that Intel intentionally makes the factory specs or whatever vague OR the corrosion on the Intel CPUs.... But I guess if he just wants to ignore that then there won't be another video? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@diamondlion47 this isn't even a boycott. A boycott is an organized movement of people refrain from buying a product or service they otherwise would for the purpose of protest. This is just the consumer base broadly moving away from a company that has very publicly shown itself to be unreliable and untrustworthy.
And microcode will make your 14900k that people paid a lot of money for to lose performance so you pretty much got scammed by Intel, they sold you a product that doesn't run on spec or else it will crash and degrade.
"Intel said it traced the problem to faulty software code, which can trigger the CPUs to run at higher voltage levels." "Intel examined a number of 13th and 14th gen desktop processors that buyers had returned. “Our analysis of returned processors confirms that the elevated operating voltage is stemming from a microcode algorithm resulting in incorrect voltage requests to the processor." "The microcode programs can be patched by the operating system or BIOS firmware to work around bugs found in the CPU after release. Intel had originally designed microcode updates for processor debugging under its design for testing (DFT) initiative." Cheers
@@siphi7583 That's probably untrue, if it was the case, then simply raising voltage would be the one size fits all solution to everything when overclocking. I wouldn't be surprised if this was all some embarrassingly simple case of the current code being unable to discern between P and E cores at idle states, but I might be completely off the mark and I'm far from an authority on the subject. The real question is whether the degradation that people have talked about was related more to the oxidisation issue that they apparently solved (And chips from that period remaining in circulation) or if it is indeed related to the voltage switching they plan to address with the BIOS updates.
Wouldn't be the third time, even. This is why I run basic boards at stock speeds with standard settings. Even on my AMD processor, the first thing I did was disable the motherboard BS, and turbo modes. 80% the speed but never getting past 70C even when running games is a 10 year lifespan, guaranteed.
I wish it started after a year, mine started 2 weeks after. After all these bios updates, it has become mostly stable. I get a few full screen issues in games, no more BSOD’s. Crazy you’re spending all this money and your products come ready to jump off a building.
@@xUltimatex I blame a lot of this on the fact that older generations had to understand basic electronics to build their own computers and would look at a thermal profile of the CPU getting over 80C as a sign of severe danger/a problem with the cooling or power settings. This just isn't taught any more as part of "computer" classes. Mostly how to do some programing and use Office. So normal consumers would simply trust the MB manufacturers and Intel to be on the same page. But we have seen this for years as well with TVs. They come from the factory in presentation/full bright so that they can compete with the wall of other brands and don't tell the owner to set it to more normal setitngs.
@@josephoberlander I agree, and I was blind to this basic understanding. It affects those who have never touched on the newer generation of consumer products pushed out by these big companies. I built a trust that after assembly and basic setup to get the computer running, as long as it works, it should not be tampered with. Clearly, I was wrong. I am glad they are starting to realize that they need to communicate with their consumers a little more. Luckily, we can seek out the solutions to these complicated problems. What about those who are unaware their products are depleting their own lifespan? So sad what this has come to.
@@josephoberlander who the fuck wants a cpu for 10 years these days? Tech moves so fast. Also AMD chips last long even when OCed. You can literally manually OC and get the best of both worlds (effiency and power). Simply deactivating everything defeats the purpose of getting an AMD with a Mb that can do that in the first place. Might as well buy an older Intel and call it a day.
People running Intel will need to find out if their CPU has been degraded. You could be helpful in tracking down ways to do that, and letting people know how to check for any issues (windows event explorer, etc), and how to submit the Rma if needed
@@PREDATEURLT Ive spent almost a year trying to tame my voltages, I ended up selling my GPU because my PC was just not performing.... Went from 7900XTX to a 1660 super, just to find out it was the CPU. Two motherboards down the line and months of time spent trying to figure out what the fuck was wrong. Thanks Intel.
Just to add on here even earlier models have similar issues - I have an 11900K with an ASRock Z590 Steel Legend and it was set just like you showed originally - by default, the PL1 & PL2 were set to 4096W with essentially all limiting factors removed. I had no issues for the first 18 months or so with my system, but after that in a few games where shaders were getting compiled it would cause a blue screen crash. This was a few months back and after doing some reading online I realized that the mainboard manufacturers were doing this and I went into the BIOS and manually applied the proper PL1 & PL2 numbers (125 / 250) and have had rock-solid stability ever since as well as significantly more reasonable temperatures. I personally feel the mainboard manufacturers are just as at fault for this as Intel, if not more-so.
Crazy when you think about how we know they will do illegal things like price fixing...I can see them colluding with AMD and screwing Intel. Intel is the cultural outsider with these manufacturers.
People are just sleeping on it, as they have been doing since forever, which is why companies got lazy and expensive shit now needs a patch to behave like cheap shit. Welcome to the future.
My two cents on this: If your CPU breaks or becomes unstable, file a RMA requests and get it replaced. I don't understand how nerfing the CPU performance is considered as an acceptable solution. No, it isn't. People paid full price for those trash CPUs. Reducing their performance isn't acceptable, especially since it doesn't even guarantee that they won't degrade further or continue crashing. Just file a RMA claim or return the CPU entirely if you are eligible to do so. As a client it isn't your responsibility to try fixing broken goods paid full price, nor is it acceptable to forfeit 5-10-15 percent of performance.
Use of default Power Profile is not a requirement anymore. Don't put 2 month ago Intel recommendations to use default profile into the same bin as update of the BIOS with new microcode. Now Extreme Profile is available again. High voltage problem is cured.
Updated my BIOS to keep my 49000K from cooking itself, found out that CPU instability may have been the reason my 5600MHz DDR5 could never be clocked over 4000MHz without failing POST. Thanks Jay!
@@johnbernhardtsen3008 dude going up one tier level within the same gen is not worth the money. just wait for 15th gen or go amd, would be much better.
Fixing the voltage and getting the microcode update is still like getting someone to walk slower on a broken leg because they'll get further than if they try running. The fundamental problem for many of these internally will remain.
Microcode update hasn't come out yet so IDK what you are talking about and has nothing to do with this video. This video is about intel specs settings as a hold over while we wait for the microcode update to come. It's literally said in the beginning of this video.
@@riopato2009he's talking about the root cause of Intel releasing the update. The microcode update is suspected to be wag-the-dog move by many people who have been tracking and investigating this issue. The real issue is the oxidation that Intel knew about since 2023. And now the microcode update is required to make defective CPUs operate better with the defect present. So yes, it's telling someone with a broken leg to just walk slower.
@@riopato2009 actually there have been a few microcode updates over the last few months as they were trying to fix the issue. At least for my MSI board. They were issued with bios updates.
Intel didn't fail to "keep close tabs" on motherboard manufacturers. They intentionally didn't give any clear guidelines on how their CPU should be run so Asus and co will push them to the limits and win benchmarks while leaving Intel in the clear to shift blame board partners if systems crash.
@@maybacher I wanted to say the same thing. I had to go back and look and find where the actual BIOS version was shown. I was like duuuuude, that's the time...
Crusade against the brand? What are you talking about? Also, trying to deflect the blame to MB brands at the very end....cmon, at this point we all know servers with those CPUs are failing at rate as high as 100%. No Asus there....No OC.,...no windows....just Intel!
It seems to me that the initial investigations indicated voltage issues, and the blame was put on the motherboards. Then further investigation revealed it was the microcode all along. Whether the changes that were pushed in BIOS updates do anything for the issue or not is up in the air at this point I think, but at least they added the "intel recommended settings" option, saving me time in testing. Short story for me, I only had the "gpu out of ram" issue on shader compilation, no crashes whatsoever, but switching to recommended settings sorted it out. Time will tell if the microcode update allows me to turn overclocking back on or if I'm staying put. The K version was for some reason ever so slightly cheaper than the non-K version when I bought this, and warranty here is five years by law, so I'm not too bothered.
I see that comment made multiple times. Have you actually seen the setting on the server motherboards? because unlike what people think or were made to believe, the power settings were not that conservative at all. Go check buildzoid's void, you may be surprised in regards some voltages that he was able to measure.
@@mascot4950 Now the prevailing theory is oxidation due to manufacturing issues, which Intel undoubtedly knew about from day one and have tried to cover up or ignore for the last 18 months.
@@Valehass From what I've seen that's been confirmed for 13th gen and was solved in 13th gen, so should not be relevant for my 14th gen. But, yeah, Intel's very much known about that for a while since they claim they solved it during 13th gen production.
man the world of intel is so weird. there are no ethics or appreciation for consumers at all for this issue. Intel has stated they won't be issuing a recall for failing 13th and 14th Gen. You spent $650-$700 dollars for top of the line 14900KS, and by their own fault, you are screwed if it fails. If it fails, the damage is now irreversible with the microcode update and you are left with a $700 square slab that may not even work as a doorstop depending on your the gap between your door and the floor. They are also not halting the sales of these defective CPUs. *They are still selling and producing chips that have known defects*.
Issuing a recall is different than accepting RMA requests. If your cpu breaks within the 3 year manufacturers warranty, you can still send it back to Intel for a replacement.
Yester I heard Intel is prolonging warranty for another 2 years. My 13th CPU is used every day for one year for gaming and doesn't have any instability. Why would I want Intel to ask me return my CPU that can only be replaced with exactly the same model. To get back the money instead of CPU? and have to buy me new MB, and various other components?! Or to not return my CPU (since it works just fine) and probably lose warranty as I didn't follow Intel's recall?! Why would Intel want to stop the sales of those CPU? If they are used within the settings recommended by Intel, everything should be fine. Better ask your MB vendor to replace your CPU as their product toasted the CPU.
Microcode won't fix physical damage already done or in the future as the material continues to to degrade. It also depends on board vendors to actually support the updates. Some boards will probably never get that. On the used market, the CPUs will crash in price because there will be no way to know if any damage has occured, how much, or if any degradation will continue to take place. Buying one will be a crap shoot and even if it works, it might degrade. The risk level is crazy.
I bought a 14700K at launch for my upcoming new PC build. Still haven’t built it yet. CPU is still sealed in box. Am I safe if I update BIOS before installing the CPU? Will the oxidation, degradation and all the other stuff that’s been talked about happen to me as well?
@@WaylandGaming Oxidation was mostly GN clickbait. your 14th gen doesn't have it. You need to update the bios but at least from what I saw in my asus motherboard, you also still need to doublecheck and reset all the settings to intel spec - even with the most current bios from asus, they were still not set correctly
Don’t forget tiny Tom Logan who recommended undervolting both motherboard and chip from the launch of the 14 gen he’s been proven right all along give him a round of applause
I found Cinebench R23 Multi Core result for 13900K dated 2022. It shows: (8P+16E32T 253W 5.5GHz) --- 37,980 While this video bench shows (8P+16E32T 253W 5.0-5.1GHz) --- 37,573 Any difference in this bench for 13900K?
Yup sucks - In my video encodes I am now getting around 1% slower than my old 5950x AMD and yet still users MORE power and runs hotter despite being on a 360WC. My 5950X used air.
I think Steve is on crusade of calling out negligence within Intel. I don’t want a fix that is not guaranteed, I want Intel to refund me my money I work hard for and stop sweeping ish under the rug. They don’t realize they are losing life long customers. Nothing against what you guys are doing. I appreciate it.
Intel pretty much gave up the enthusiast market about 2 years ago, they make a bazillion dollars on the laptop and OEM market anyway (where the BIOS massively reduces the power draw to avoid these kind of issues). Crusade is a good word to describe Steve from GN, I respect him and his methodologies but definitely feel he lives in a tech bubble where everyone is a high-end gamer who needs to be told what to buy, rather than judging their own use-case (but hey you could say that about almost all tech RUclipsrs haahaa)
people have short memory, much like a gold fish for some reason you recall when AM5 popcorned and your Steve singled out ASUS and protected AMD? same situation, now blame is on Intel not ASUS and the rest of mobo manufacturers ?!?!?!?! much integrity ... eh you can keep him, I don't need his holier-than-thou approach crap same with 12VHPWR connector melting, blaming it on the end-user .. still happening btw
Wasn't even all but 6 months ago I was in an argument with someone who didn't understand a 7800x3d is faster than a 14900k for strictly gaming. Aged well, clearly. Before, intel was a turn off by temps, price, powerdraw, and losing gaming performance for "extra" workload and streaming capability. Which I already do just fine. This is probably by far the worst condition I've seen their brand in, with this on top of that. And for the other gentleman, there's a difference between board voltage by board partner and microcode from manufacturer causing issues. Board output voltage caused x3d issues, was fixed by bios update. That's not possible with Intel due to it being microcode. Tad more complex, requires intel to work with them because it's THEIR microcode. (Or it would be fixed.) And if I recall the x3d issue wasn't 50% of chips (depending the source on this intel topic) and taking half a year to fix. I wanted a 14900k just to set up a half decent home server, it makes more sense. That won't happen anytime soon though with these issues.
@@steadyclouds4614 that is a bit crazy, people should do their research. I take issue with people who issue blanket statements like "Intel sucks!" or "AMD sucks!". Just write down what exactly you want to do, what your budget is, what extra limitations you have (e.g small space, high electricity costs etc), and then make an informed choice. High-end gaming? Probably get a AMD VCache model. File server? Probably get an Intel T sku. Home office? Get any 65W that's on offer. And so on 👍 People always assume their use-case, local market and budget is everyone's use-case, local market and budget...
I'm more concerned with the reported oxidation issues with early 13th gen. Intel really needs to give some clarity which could settle some anxiety users are having. Rather than thinking we may or may not have a ticking time bomb in our machines.
This. I would at least expect, as Steve (GN) pointed out, that Intel makes it so that you can check if your CPU is one from the affected range on their RMA website, and then you should be able to return it and get a new one, which shouldn't have the problem. And if they have moved over completely to 14th gen, then those affected should get an equivalent 14th gen CPU. That is the least they could do.
@@TigonIII according to intel it was only early 13th gen 14th gen should not have ANY oxidation what so ever (if you take intels word) so 14th gen should only be the microcode
@@Zapdos0145 that's what I said, if you have one of the early 13th gen, you should be able to get it replaced by Intel, but if they aren't fabricating 13th gen, as they may have moved unto mainly fabricating 14th gen, then they should at least replace your old CPU with a 14th gen version, thus "upgrading" you to a newer CPU. It is usually a good practice to provide a replacement of equal or greater value.
@@TigonIII intel hasn’t always been good at good practices. fingers crossed though, cause intels stock started going down when shareholders got word of this RMA issue
Just update you're bios ... and don't overclock it that cpu is a beast already. Last year when I bought my i9 13900k I did undervolt it and didn't have any problems. Now whit the bios update you don't need to tweak it just leave it be and it will be fine. As with all things push something to the limit and it will brake.
@Dogmar198S7 so basicly you say it's safe to buy? Looking at buying a desktop with i7 14700F. And Asus Tuff gaming B760 mb. Just install the new bios?
Based on what I've found, just RMA it right away. Some of these CPUs even have iGPU trouble, Unreal Engine games failing, and has to be stabilized with overclocking techniques such as disabling Turbo Boost... It's just not worth it, it's a faulty product.
I noticed any game using dx12 (which is most new games using unreal engine) is unstable & crashes. Fortnite is 1 of them. Changed to dx11 & no issues, same on other game.. such a bummer
@@Trippymk8 there really isn't that much difference between dx11 and dx12... iirc the main difference is it has a better file system which slightly increases performance
@@brotherrogue2310 He is not talking about DX11 or DX12... he is talking about damaged CPU and that it is most visible when you do specific task and if your CPU is already acting strange then silicon is affected and oftware patch not gonna change much and if its not affected yet you have no idea how much wear was caused and how much time you have before it will be dead(even after the fix).
I immediately scrolled down to the comments when I heard that and sure enough, some are calling Jay out for it. No hate on Jay but saying "he's on a crusade against the brand and we're backing off on that" just feels off. IMO Steve isn't in a crusade, he's calling out the billion dollar company to own up to their faults. The way I see it, Intel would've kept quiet about it had there not been enough outlets covering the issue and it took all that just for them to speak up and confirm something's wrong.
After watching the video. I may be fine. I undervolted my pc upon purchase, have that one spacer mod, and a beefy AIO. Temps have never gone above 65 in daily use. Power virus I can throttle though.
Two law firms have already announced they are in the "investigational phase" of filing and will seek class-action status. Intel is being truly galactically stupid in not immediately moving to fully admit their errors and make it right. Not to mention governments in places like the European Union will move against them as well.
@@Noneofyourfknbiznessdon't join the class action and take them to court yourself? Plenty of people did this to MS with W10 and MS just settled most even if people claimed silly things like "the update broke my PC and I had to go out and buy a new one". Plenty of legit ones like business disruption though which wouldn't have been covered at all in a class action. Some people also did it when Sony removed OtherOS, normally because they were using OtherOS and some sort of hosting or they had OtherOS linked to their business... Come to think of it, it's funny that Microsoft finally found the best way to stop piracy etc, was just to allow running your own code in a more limited dev mode. It's what most homebrew devs had been saying forever. Not to mention they realised that oh if you make ordinary consoles be able to act as basic dev units then suddenly anyone can code for your console and build indie games etc for it - and they do!
So for not even 10% more performance, it eats like 50% more watts, that's a lot of energy wasted. Shows that overclocking isn't really worth it in terms of efficiency.
For the average daily use no it's not. Back in the day you could get real world gains in almost everything with a bit of an OC, but now things are so fast by default that unless you are doing higher end workloads the OC makes much less difference. I fell like I get better performance from more and faster ram than anything else these days.
Undervolting is the way to go I do 1.157v at 5.5ghz 14700k default you'll see as high as 1.325-1.350v or so which is silly the result is significantly better temperature for same perf or better.
ye I agree, I undervolted my 13600k down to 1.150 and it works so well, the performance works even better than intel's default since I get the maximum performance at 5-5.1ghz but lower voltage and amp and lower temp
@@resColts I've been under-volting my 13900k for the majority of its use. (-0.100) I can stress test it with CPU-Z for hours and it remains stable at stock settings. OCCT's (free version) CPU+RAM stability test passes the 1 hr test without issue. MSI has a beta micro-code BIOS update for my mobo. The previous stable version fixed the "default settings" issue. It now uses the "Intel recommended" settings limiting the power usage issue. I seem to be really lucky when it comes to hardware failure! If you exclude Xbox controllers & stick drift, I've only had to RMA 1 mouse a looong time ago. I've been building my own PC's since the 1st PC I've ever owned, 20 yrs ago. I'm just hoping my luck continues with my 13900k!
Ffs liar, they were catching fire due to motherboards overvolting them, no fault of the CPU. Especially Asus. All mobo manufacturers overvolt the CPUs on stock since Ryzen 1, that is why people started to learn undervolting for more thermal headroom + more silent + less temps + higher clocks. The X3D chips are more sensible to high voltage and temps and revealed this, was sorted with bios updates. Meanwhile intel chips are shit quality no matter of motherboards/settings/bioses.
Well Jay, I think this might have solved my crashing issue that's been plaguing me for most of this year. Time will tell but so far so good. Big thanks to you for this valuable intel. If crashing comes back I'll be donating this system to you for a future video.
Intel's lack of urgency regarding this is disgraceful. I've already gone through one RMA for my 14900K. The only acceptable option is to offer a FREE trade-in for a 15th Gen.
@@ErrorDebug went good, dropped core voltage a little and seems stable so far. I'll update again when Intel has their fix. I was on really old bios, like Feb last year.
I learned of the Intel issues right after I ordered the parts for a 14900k build to replace a 3700k I've been running since 2012. Parts are coming tomorrow and this video is quite timely. Thanx
Why on God's green would you do that a few weeks away from brand new cpus from amd ! I'd return the lot or at least keep it all sealed and in the boxes and wait a few weeks see what the tec community say about the bios/micro code updates do and how the new amd cpus stack up , three weeks to wait seams like a no brainer to me
@@moonasha "you'll be fine" Yea he have literally ZERO guarantee that it will be so... Intel makes a lot of cosmetics to hide the problem because it not only cares about PR but also about the huge cost of replacing millions of CPUs. And your advice could make the processor fail after the warranty period = 100% win for Intel!
They left that K to down the clock, not to increase it, people just got it wrong lol. That's exactly what I did btw. Offset -0.135V, downed freq 0.2GHz on all P-Cores, and voila still hitting 41k in cinebench multi-core, without crazy voltages and constant thermal throttling. It's a really good CPU, just not what was advertised, and requieres some tweaking and testing, which most people have no idea about.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Difference in gaming is minimal, 2-5% or something like that, meanwhile 14900K demolishes 7800X3D in any performance other than gaming. If your PC is just a massive Xbox, then sure, X3D is a better choice. Mine isn't, it's both for work and gaming.
The fact that intel knew about this for a year is what makes this a long term issue for me. Going to be doing all amd builds for a while for my small business and family / friends.
@@ajflament8012 This has been the case with AMD or Intel for more than a decade. The only boards I have received to RMA have been Asus and most were high end.
I have a 10th Gen Comet Lake i7 paired with a 3070Ti. Incredibly happy and content and have been since I built it. No desire to upgrade, no problems running anything I enjoy.
Degradation is the real problem here , even if you do all kind of magic in BIOS to reduce clocks/voltages etc, which is violating their own 13th & 14th gen CPU advertising. So the only way all this mess to be fixed is for Intel to recall the hole batch. Everything else is 100% non acceptable.
What I see in Intel Core i9-13900K specs: P-Core base frequency: 3.3GHz Turbo Clock: up to 5.8GHz P-Core Turbo: 5.4GHz - all P-Core frequency - not in any specs in 2022... P-Core Boost 3.0: 5.7GHz - for fastest two cores identified on CPU die... E-Core Frequency 2.2GHz-4.3GHz TDP: 125W PL1: 253W PL2: 253W Looks like 13900K was advertised (?) to work at 5.4GHz for all running P-Cores while after BIOS update it works only at 5.1GHz for P2:253W. This could be stability issue source. 300MHz overclock without enough voltage/power. On the other hand some error with voltage choice in microcode CPU requested voltages beyond 1.5V.
Who would have thought these days we dont want to overclock intel cpu but tweak the voltage and settings to make sure the cpu will also work in two years on stock speed or slightly underclocked to save it. we always thought that with enough cooling they were almost indestructible, so a 13th 14th gen cpu throttling at 100degrees is in fact slowly destroying the cpu internals...
I undervolted my CPU to Intel spec recently after many crashes, thermal throttling and “out of video memory” errors….. it now finally works 100% no crashing, quiet and temps all good, I reeeeeeally do not want to tamper with it doing an update etc. again because now I’ve finally fixed it I’m scared it will muck up again after doing the updates etc. 😢
Your processor has already been worn out, so someone like you should get a new CPU from intel for free... But Intel is not ready to do it because of the huge amount of CPU that are affected... This patch from Intel may extend the life of your processor, but I sincerely doubt that even with this patch it won't finally give up in a year, two or tree... Torturing the processor with high voltage affects its lifespan and the resulting wear won't disappear just because you stopped torturing it so much. I used to torture very old K6-2 from AMD and over time I had to lower the voltage and clock speed to default-> the silicon simply aged much faster due to my abuse.
@@Bialy_1Thanks for your reply and thoughts dude. It sucks how it’s all still being worked out. I’ve been in touch with Intel support who advised me to do the BIOS update to get the “Intel Default Settings” as default power and then if I still have crashes at their specs then it is faulty and they will RMA it no worries. So I did just that, I was terrified to do it as my comment said, but I did it, it updated the BIOS to have the setting “Intel Default Settings” and it’s set to Intel Extreme as default. I booted my PC and ran my tests that would prior crash my CPU with the major voltage and can confirm that it is actual now stable as well as when I manually undervolted it to 125W this new Intel Default is running it at 253 watts and appears stable. I have written back to Intel and waiting for them to further advise, from what I can see right now my CPU thankfully isn’t damaged as it runs at Intel specs stable, but again like you’re comment suggests, doesn’t mean damage is not showing yet and it might over time. Waiting to hear back from Intel what they suggest and also asked if they will support customers like myself that don’t have damage right now but may appear over time in 12 months time will they RMA it then or provide extended warranty support for that. So we’ll see I guess!
@@LifeInPixelsImages hey. Where did you find these intel settings for bios? I just recently updated my Msi motherboard to latest version but still do not see it. Thanks in advance
@@TheAeyque Hey there, I have a Gigabyte board so all boards unfortunately are a bit different with the BIOS but on my Gigabyte board there was a tab called “Tweaker” then from there I went to either “CPU Settings” or “Advanced CPU Settings”, either way, there should be an option to search what you’re looking for so it’ll pop up easy to see in the BIOS, so if you find the search bar search “Intel Default Settings” and something should pop up what you’re looking for. Hope this helps 😊
@@TheAeyque Hey there, it’s annoying different brand boards BIOS looks different, but on my Gigabyte BIOS I went into the “Tweaker” tab then went to “CPU Settings” or “Advanced CPU Settings” and there was an option called “Intel Default Settings” there to click on and choose a profile. There should be a search bar to search key words in your BIOS, so if you find that and search “Intel Default Settings” or similar it should pop up what you’re looking for. Hopefully this helps 😊
@kramnull8962 I have a 14700K on all max default specs from a bios of last December (before the voltage changes and microcode fixes), with a 280mm aio, and I idle at around 32c and can't break 73c even with a full force cpu stress test. Something is off with your cooling, maybe you left the plastic cover on the aio
@@adreanmarantz2103 before the intel overpower and destruction I built a Asrock + 12600k ITX pc with DDR5, and a big power color 7900 XT GPU. I have 0 complaints. Everyone I know was shocked I went from a E-ATX computer to a MATX but that's what happens when your mother in law has to move in because reasons that cause rage. I cant have large nice things anymore due to not having the room. Consider Bazzite if you can play your games in Linux. I know its a one size fits most, won't work if you play games with anti cheat or maybe other issues.
So what was the point of buying an unlocked CPU designed for overclocking AND a high end overclocking motherboard for 13th and 14th GEN????? NONE. We have been ripped off.
This is wild. I literally updated my girlfriend's bios settings for her intel build a few weeks ago after experiencing too many instances of instability leading to crashes. Your previous video in this saga was a huge help. Debating if an RMA is the way to go since oxidation may also play a factor on her 13th gen cpu. Thanks for the amazing content!
Me and my brother got unlucky with our i5-13600K chips. He got the “video memory” error and my windows would gradually freeze. Updating the BIOS *did* solve these issues, so I highly recommend, as Jay says first!
Surprisingly the 13600k isn't as affected as much as 13900k/14900k and then the i7 variants. The i5 cpus are very rare to be affected and technically do not have these issues as much the CPUs mentioned
I think you should RMA, the chip might be damaged and its very unlikely you'll have problems with a replacement 13600k cuz they're mostly not effected, probably bc their voltages are low even when uncapped.
I did the following that might help people: - I have a I9-13900KF. - I updated BIOS, made sure it runs with the "new" power specs. - Stability remains shit. -> Sended a help request to Intel using their website with explaining the history, changes etc. and mentioned that stability is still shit and that I assume the CPU has been damaged by running 1,5 year on the ASUS motherboard specs. Their reaction was straight away, send it to us and we will send a new one. I am running the new one on the lower power specs and so far it's good 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
Install the latest bios, intel default settings, try some rendering with hwmonitor, and look voltages and temperatures Of course, under these conditions I wouldn't try to break benchmark records with these CPUs. I would try to get around 75-80 degrees, no more than that.
Do not install this Bios!!! This bios update is trash. I’m still seeing 1.62 volts to my p-cores still. Only way I can seem to fix it is to turn all turbo boost off, and cores become locked at 3.2GHz. Cannot sync all cores to 5.7. Lock your cores to 5.7, do not install this. On ASUS at least, yo will still get excessive voltage and related temps. I’m running a 420mm liquid freezer III in push/pull with 6 fans and still seeing spikes over 85c at rest, when cores 4 and 5 boost to 6GHz. Again, this is with only background tasks running. Come on Jay, I’ve followed you for years. Do better. Because I followed your advice, I cannot sync all cores to 5.7GHz. Even tried to roll back to the previous BIOS, but the micro code fixes are permanent. 1.62 volts are still being applied. Only way I’ve found to prevent it is to disable all intel turbo boost settings, locking performance to 3.2GHz.
In what world is "Here, run this thing you paid for slower than what you paid for, that way it doesn't break" fine? In any other industry they'd be doing recalls, and forcibly if necessary. Intel won't be getting any more of my business.
I went cutting edge on my newest PC. 13900k and 4090. I've had so many issues with it, I am probably forever going to choose AMD systems, unless Intel properly addresses the issues and fully compensates the people affected. My 13900k I had to undervolt because I thought I was dealing with overheating issues (which I was, but that wasn't the whole issue) and now I'm seeing all these issues other people are having, and I can finally understand the gravity of how fucked Intel is, for having pushed out 2 faulty generations of processors.
All these bios changes and updates is just temporary fixes, its gonna continue to degrade until it no longer will function! RMA your CPUS and get your money back, that's the only fix that's gonna work permanently
I lay A LOT of the blame at RUclipsrs feet, promoting Intel in order to get a commission on the sales. Anyone who has ANY kind of tech savvy should have seen the warning signs when Intel was requiring the same power budget as THREE AMD chips for comparable performance. Look, and nVidia chip is PHYSICALLY 3-4 times bigger than an Intel CPU. And yet the Intel CPU was drawing as much power. It doesn't take a tech genius to realise that if you push 300 watt from a mouses arse, it's going to blow out quicker than if you push 300 watts through a horses.,
I just got a i9 12900 and going by thus i just need to make sure the RAM is set to correct speed and not overclock anything and i shoukd be good. My previous i9 9900 got this treatment and has rendered faultlessly with lightwave for 6 years
Built my PC about a year ago, was planning on getting the 13th gen but ended up going with the 12700KF. So glad I trusted my gut and stayed a step behind. It has more than enough power and pairs nicely with my 4070 without the voltage problems. ❤
This oughta be rich. Jay can fix internally fucked up cpus. Microcode updates do not fix oxidation that increases electrical resistance. So here's a fix to neuter your fucked up cpu. In the end you do not get the performance you paid for. Jay getting paid by intel PR?
I have an Asus Proart Z790 wifi motherboard and an intel I9 13900k, to have a cooler temperature but contain the loss of performance how should I do it and which BIOS parameters should I change? I have been following your RUclips channel for years, please can you give me a well-made guide, I trust you, you are very prepared and very professional and competent. Thanks from Italy
@@byronmoscoso2213 good job lol. im sure Intel will get their crap together eventually and they have good cpus but the 7800X3D is so great to work with it doesn't even matter. I suggest looking into undervolting. Less heat due to less watts + better performance!
grateful I bought the 12600k 1½ month ago, sad cuz I fried the z690 pro rs at start!using less than good h610m mobo now!its ok but cant be overclocked!
I think I have the perfect storm, here: I have an ASUS G16 with an i9-14900HX. Given ASUS' horrible returns behavior and Intel's failures to deal with this issue appropriately, I'm screwed. No BIOS update on the ASUS ROG website. SMH
Yeah, this video doesn't seem to have any mention of that. As far as we know, a large batch of early 13th gen cpu's were effected, 14th gen seems safe (but is effected by voltage issues). So if you have a 13th gen CPU that's experiencing issues, I would get that replaced asap.
Just sold my 9900k/strux board. It really was a beast. But, I'm pretty happy with my 12700k and only upgraded to take advantage of the arc control since I have an a770 card.
There is levels to this. Wendell and Steve are actual experts. This guy is just some nerd who builds blinged PCs, the kind of dude you'll find behind a lot of counters in PC stores.
When I got my Z790 and 13700K I immediately disabled multi core enhancement and followed a guide specifically for a 13700K paired with an ASUS board. My voltage never goes above 1.288 and usually stays between 0.70 and 1.17.
My 13700k had stability issues, windows was doing so much strange things. Even the bios update didn't work. I sent it back to where I bought it from they tested it and the CPU was faulty and now it's being replaced by a 14700k
My 13700k had lots of stability issues. I swapped everything other then cpu and when I released my CPU was at fault. I sent it back to the store I bought it from. They tested it and found a fault and now it's being replaced by a 14700k and I hope this doesn't happen again :(
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I hear buying an AMD fixes most Intel issues.
Pretty much, but what also fixes intel's issues is not allowing their CPUs to go over 160-170W... They literally get 92% of the performance at 125W that they do at 350-400W
I heard it the other way round 13 years ago when AMD released Bulldozer ...
@@oliknowhey they take turns.
Literally AMD cpus were exploding
Bulldozers were nearly impossible to kill, and certainly didn't self destruct like these newer Intel CPUs @@oliknow
Gamers nexus is not on a crusade against intel. He’s on a crusade to get consumer protection for customers of intel. I think that’s an important distinction.
Agreed
and unlike a crusade, the reasoning behind it is actually valid.
@@userblame632 lol a crusade has valid reasons for the people that benefited from them.
True, but Steve does seem more grumpy than usual lately. That might just be due to the overall state of the enthusiast PC industry though 😂
@@peterwstaceyhe’s grumpy because recommending vendors is becoming impossible 😂 if you can’t recommend 1 of the 2 manufacturers kinda kills the fun
I remember the days when we only had to mess with vcore, fsb and multiplier...Now you need a PhD to figure out the settings.
old but gold days..
Contemporary CPUs overclock themself to the maximum if required, while use minimal energy when they are idle. This behavior adds complexity for turning or further OC.
Evidently The MB manufacturers barely have Associate Degrees. lol. Intel is acting like a new graduate hire trying to run their first business. One wonders exactly HOW much of a brain drain they all are still suffering from due to Covid.
My i3 13100 temperature from 62Celsius to 67Celsius
Nah, we have Buildzoid
Intel needs to recall these processors and offer refunds if people want them.
Seconded, personally I'm just gonna avoid Intel until new leadership comes in, which will probably be soon the way things are going there 😆
@@diamondlion47Intel is dead for me.
they do alreaddy offer refunds for so many if u google u find lots of posts about it :)
Bartlett lake will be the RMA replacements
@@kenobi639They need to start talking about that. The only way people can get any use out of their machine after getting cash for their 14900k is to get a 12900k. If they are actually making a CPU that works in the 14th gen socket as a mitigation strategy then it's hugely important to let consumers know that.
Narrator: It was not his last video regarding the Intel stuff.
Yeah, already seeing mass boycotts. Personally don't understand why anyone would go Intel at this point...
Jay didn't even mention the fact that Intel intentionally makes the factory specs or whatever vague OR the corrosion on the Intel CPUs.... But I guess if he just wants to ignore that then there won't be another video? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@diamondlion47 this isn't even a boycott. A boycott is an organized movement of people refrain from buying a product or service they otherwise would for the purpose of protest. This is just the consumer base broadly moving away from a company that has very publicly shown itself to be unreliable and untrustworthy.
hear it with the voice of Morgan Freeman
@@G-man_the-cyber-guy Ron Howard for me. 'It's Arrested, Fabrication.'
Intel: Here's a bandage. Put it over the wound and never take it off ever again. If it dies, YOU did something wrong.
But it's not a bandage. It never should have been working like that.
Kept bandage on - now infected - instructions unclear.
Tbh if my CPU dies I’ll be thankful it died so I can just upgrade to AMD
@@retr0854literally, cant stand this dog awful company sending untested cpus and selling them
@@mikkelbreiler8916😂😂
And I immediately imagined Arnold saying "Do this now if you want your CPU to live!"
DU TJIS NJOWWW xD
Haha me also
GET TO BIOS NJOWW
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Get to the bios NAO 😤
Microcode won’t fix a degraded CPU.
Didn't take many of us 2 years to read Unlimited 3 times in XTU.
thank you captain obvious
And microcode will make your 14900k that people paid a lot of money for to lose performance so you pretty much got scammed by Intel, they sold you a product that doesn't run on spec or else it will crash and degrade.
"Intel said it traced the problem to faulty software code, which can trigger the CPUs to run at higher voltage levels."
"Intel examined a number of 13th and 14th gen desktop processors that buyers had returned. “Our analysis of returned processors confirms that the elevated operating voltage is stemming from a microcode algorithm resulting in incorrect voltage requests to the processor."
"The microcode programs can be patched by the operating system or BIOS firmware to work around bugs found in the CPU after release.
Intel had originally designed microcode updates for processor debugging under its design for testing (DFT) initiative."
Cheers
@@siphi7583 That's probably untrue, if it was the case, then simply raising voltage would be the one size fits all solution to everything when overclocking. I wouldn't be surprised if this was all some embarrassingly simple case of the current code being unable to discern between P and E cores at idle states, but I might be completely off the mark and I'm far from an authority on the subject. The real question is whether the degradation that people have talked about was related more to the oxidisation issue that they apparently solved (And chips from that period remaining in circulation) or if it is indeed related to the voltage switching they plan to address with the BIOS updates.
Imagine paying almost 2K$ for a combo of Motherboard, CPU and Ram and after a year having blue screens left and right. Someone is salty with Steve....
Wouldn't be the third time, even. This is why I run basic boards at stock speeds with standard settings. Even on my AMD processor, the first thing I did was disable the motherboard BS, and turbo modes. 80% the speed but never getting past 70C even when running games is a 10 year lifespan, guaranteed.
I wish it started after a year, mine started 2 weeks after. After all these bios updates, it has become mostly stable. I get a few full screen issues in games, no more BSOD’s. Crazy you’re spending all this money and your products come ready to jump off a building.
@@xUltimatex I blame a lot of this on the fact that older generations had to understand basic electronics to build their own computers and would look at a thermal profile of the CPU getting over 80C as a sign of severe danger/a problem with the cooling or power settings.
This just isn't taught any more as part of "computer" classes. Mostly how to do some programing and use Office. So normal consumers would simply trust the MB manufacturers and Intel to be on the same page. But we have seen this for years as well with TVs. They come from the factory in presentation/full bright so that they can compete with the wall of other brands and don't tell the owner to set it to more normal setitngs.
@@josephoberlander I agree, and I was blind to this basic understanding. It affects those who have never touched on the newer generation of consumer products pushed out by these big companies. I built a trust that after assembly and basic setup to get the computer running, as long as it works, it should not be tampered with. Clearly, I was wrong. I am glad they are starting to realize that they need to communicate with their consumers a little more. Luckily, we can seek out the solutions to these complicated problems. What about those who are unaware their products are depleting their own lifespan? So sad what this has come to.
@@josephoberlander who the fuck wants a cpu for 10 years these days? Tech moves so fast. Also AMD chips last long even when OCed. You can literally manually OC and get the best of both worlds (effiency and power). Simply deactivating everything defeats the purpose of getting an AMD with a Mb that can do that in the first place. Might as well buy an older Intel and call it a day.
People running Intel will need to find out if their CPU has been degraded. You could be helpful in tracking down ways to do that, and letting people know how to check for any issues (windows event explorer, etc), and how to submit the Rma if needed
This ^
I definitely need to know how to test my CPU to see if it's damaged or degraded.
RMA's are useless at this point, we need full refund so we can switch to AMD and move on.
@@diamondlion47 the problem is that we also need to change motherboard for an AMD platform
@@RicAdburif it is you know. Pogramns crashed at random. Bluescreens. And so on
Just pointing out, at 3:30 on the lower right corner of the screen, it does IN FACT show the 6Ghz voltage being 1.689v. That's.... Insane.
Not only insane that should be ilegal
Meanwhile i have an overclocked i7-2600K at 4.2ghz with a whopping 1.3v hahahahaha, this shit crazy.
@@Skrubmeisterbat shit crazy!
@@PREDATEURLT Ive spent almost a year trying to tame my voltages, I ended up selling my GPU because my PC was just not performing.... Went from 7900XTX to a 1660 super, just to find out it was the CPU. Two motherboards down the line and months of time spent trying to figure out what the fuck was wrong. Thanks Intel.
“Bomb has been planted.” -Motherboard VRMs
Just to add on here even earlier models have similar issues - I have an 11900K with an ASRock Z590 Steel Legend and it was set just like you showed originally - by default, the PL1 & PL2 were set to 4096W with essentially all limiting factors removed. I had no issues for the first 18 months or so with my system, but after that in a few games where shaders were getting compiled it would cause a blue screen crash. This was a few months back and after doing some reading online I realized that the mainboard manufacturers were doing this and I went into the BIOS and manually applied the proper PL1 & PL2 numbers (125 / 250) and have had rock-solid stability ever since as well as significantly more reasonable temperatures. I personally feel the mainboard manufacturers are just as at fault for this as Intel, if not more-so.
Crazy when you think about how we know they will do illegal things like price fixing...I can see them colluding with AMD and screwing Intel. Intel is the cultural outsider with these manufacturers.
How is there no recall for all customers who own these CPUs? No class action lawsuits?
Not yet...
People are just sleeping on it, as they have been doing since forever, which is why companies got lazy and expensive shit now needs a patch to behave like cheap shit. Welcome to the future.
CA lawsuits take time, recalls take incredible outrage or act of god.
My two cents on this: If your CPU breaks or becomes unstable, file a RMA requests and get it replaced. I don't understand how nerfing the CPU performance is considered as an acceptable solution. No, it isn't. People paid full price for those trash CPUs. Reducing their performance isn't acceptable, especially since it doesn't even guarantee that they won't degrade further or continue crashing. Just file a RMA claim or return the CPU entirely if you are eligible to do so. As a client it isn't your responsibility to try fixing broken goods paid full price, nor is it acceptable to forfeit 5-10-15 percent of performance.
Nerding is definitely unacceptable 😑
Use of default Power Profile is not a requirement anymore.
Don't put 2 month ago Intel recommendations to use default profile into the same bin as update of the BIOS with new microcode.
Now Extreme Profile is available again. High voltage problem is cured.
I dont want a replacment i need to wait 5 6 7 weeks for. I want my money back and i am good to go
yeah seriously. I've found this suggestion countless places online and it's beyond me. if we wanted that we would've bought something lower tier.
Feel bad for 13th gen owners .. They tried to RMA for a year now but can't get one, maybe now Intel will honored it?
Updated my BIOS to keep my 49000K from cooking itself, found out that CPU instability may have been the reason my 5600MHz DDR5 could never be clocked over 4000MHz without failing POST. Thanks Jay!
So glad I could only afford 12th gen...
same here, using the 12600k for the last month and a half!its nice upgrading to a 12700k later this year!
Yep, got a 12700k for $200 last October, couldn't be happier
i5 12500 go brrrr
Not too hot or power hungry and plenty of power for me to be honest
Iv been using a 12600k since launch and I love it. I have no heat problems or other issues that 13th and 14th have
@@johnbernhardtsen3008 dude going up one tier level within the same gen is not worth the money. just wait for 15th gen or go amd, would be much better.
Remember when Jay said he was swapping back to intel 14th gen?
Really WFT can you say shil?
Pepperidge Farms remembers!
He used the 7950X3D, that had more problem finding out what cores to use, for a gamer the 7800X3D is golden. And it was an ASUS board...
@@CyberClu
(you)
Intel has Jazz by the balls
Would you do the same on an acer nitro 5 AN515-58-75NM
You know what? No. I would rather have it degrade significantly enough and RMA the system. I have no faith in it anymore.
But you have faith they’ll do an RMA ?
@@ChuckvdL😅
If you have no issues now, why are you worried?
@@AbrahamZX1because issues can pop up later?
I wouldn't think it works that way. If you don't have issues before the fix goes live I wouldn't think you would have any after.
Fixing the voltage and getting the microcode update is still like getting someone to walk slower on a broken leg because they'll get further than if they try running. The fundamental problem for many of these internally will remain.
Microcode update hasn't come out yet so IDK what you are talking about and has nothing to do with this video. This video is about intel specs settings as a hold over while we wait for the microcode update to come. It's literally said in the beginning of this video.
@@riopato2009he's talking about the root cause of Intel releasing the update. The microcode update is suspected to be wag-the-dog move by many people who have been tracking and investigating this issue. The real issue is the oxidation that Intel knew about since 2023. And now the microcode update is required to make defective CPUs operate better with the defect present. So yes, it's telling someone with a broken leg to just walk slower.
@@riopato2009 actually there have been a few microcode updates over the last few months as they were trying to fix the issue. At least for my MSI board. They were issued with bios updates.
@@seanl9313h there is no oxidation issue. it was already dealt with. the power regulation problems have nothing to do with it
Lol that analogy cracked me up hahaha
Intel didn't fail to "keep close tabs" on motherboard manufacturers. They intentionally didn't give any clear guidelines on how their CPU should be run so Asus and co will push them to the limits and win benchmarks while leaving Intel in the clear to shift blame board partners if systems crash.
Funy, bios version is 1303, so as the time in the bios 13:03)))
Looking for this comment I noticed too, then it changed to 13:04 I was like what’s the chances of that!
Synchronicities
Exactly! I heard 1303 and turned back to the screen (after Jay was pointing at 1303) and was like "That's the time dumbass" 💀💀
@@maybacher I wanted to say the same thing. I had to go back and look and find where the actual BIOS version was shown. I was like duuuuude, that's the time...
Here for the same reason! What are the chances?
Crusade against the brand? What are you talking about?
Also, trying to deflect the blame to MB brands at the very end....cmon, at this point we all know servers with those CPUs are failing at rate as high as 100%. No Asus there....No OC.,...no windows....just Intel!
It seems to me that the initial investigations indicated voltage issues, and the blame was put on the motherboards. Then further investigation revealed it was the microcode all along. Whether the changes that were pushed in BIOS updates do anything for the issue or not is up in the air at this point I think, but at least they added the "intel recommended settings" option, saving me time in testing. Short story for me, I only had the "gpu out of ram" issue on shader compilation, no crashes whatsoever, but switching to recommended settings sorted it out. Time will tell if the microcode update allows me to turn overclocking back on or if I'm staying put. The K version was for some reason ever so slightly cheaper than the non-K version when I bought this, and warranty here is five years by law, so I'm not too bothered.
I see that comment made multiple times. Have you actually seen the setting on the server motherboards? because unlike what people think or were made to believe, the power settings were not that conservative at all. Go check buildzoid's void, you may be surprised in regards some voltages that he was able to measure.
The gimp made a fair decent bag recommending Intel
And like most narcs cannot accept responsibility for it
@@mascot4950 Now the prevailing theory is oxidation due to manufacturing issues, which Intel undoubtedly knew about from day one and have tried to cover up or ignore for the last 18 months.
@@Valehass From what I've seen that's been confirmed for 13th gen and was solved in 13th gen, so should not be relevant for my 14th gen. But, yeah, Intel's very much known about that for a while since they claim they solved it during 13th gen production.
man the world of intel is so weird. there are no ethics or appreciation for consumers at all for this issue.
Intel has stated they won't be issuing a recall for failing 13th and 14th Gen. You spent $650-$700 dollars for top of the line 14900KS, and by their own fault, you are screwed if it fails. If it fails, the damage is now irreversible with the microcode update and you are left with a $700 square slab that may not even work as a doorstop depending on your the gap between your door and the floor.
They are also not halting the sales of these defective CPUs. *They are still selling and producing chips that have known defects*.
Issuing a recall is different than accepting RMA requests.
If your cpu breaks within the 3 year manufacturers warranty, you can still send it back to Intel for a replacement.
Yester I heard Intel is prolonging warranty for another 2 years.
My 13th CPU is used every day for one year for gaming and doesn't have any instability. Why would I want Intel to ask me return my CPU that can only be replaced with exactly the same model. To get back the money instead of CPU? and have to buy me new MB, and various other components?! Or to not return my CPU (since it works just fine) and probably lose warranty as I didn't follow Intel's recall?!
Why would Intel want to stop the sales of those CPU?
If they are used within the settings recommended by Intel, everything should be fine.
Better ask your MB vendor to replace your CPU as their product toasted the CPU.
Microcode won't fix physical damage already done or in the future as the material continues to to degrade. It also depends on board vendors to actually support the updates. Some boards will probably never get that. On the used market, the CPUs will crash in price because there will be no way to know if any damage has occured, how much, or if any degradation will continue to take place. Buying one will be a crap shoot and even if it works, it might degrade. The risk level is crazy.
buying any used tech is crazy risk...
@@malcomreynolds4103 Yeah, I would never buy used tech.
I bought a 14700K at launch for my upcoming new PC build. Still haven’t built it yet. CPU is still sealed in box. Am I safe if I update BIOS before installing the CPU? Will the oxidation, degradation and all the other stuff that’s been talked about happen to me as well?
@@WaylandGaming Oxidation was mostly GN clickbait. your 14th gen doesn't have it. You need to update the bios but at least from what I saw in my asus motherboard, you also still need to doublecheck and reset all the settings to intel spec - even with the most current bios from asus, they were still not set correctly
Don’t forget tiny Tom Logan who recommended undervolting both motherboard and chip from the launch of the 14 gen he’s been proven right all along give him a round of applause
i sure picked the wrong week to build my first computer. Maybe I should wait a month before i do a first boot. lol
So people should change their settings to reduce performance by 10% and everyone is fine with that?
^ This.
Im not, false advertisement 😂
I found Cinebench R23 Multi Core result for 13900K dated 2022. It shows:
(8P+16E32T 253W 5.5GHz) --- 37,980
While this video bench shows
(8P+16E32T 253W 5.0-5.1GHz) --- 37,573
Any difference in this bench for 13900K?
Looks like 5.5GHz was not only source of throttling, but also source of instability. It was overclocked beyond voltage/P2 support.
Yup sucks - In my video encodes I am now getting around 1% slower than my old 5950x AMD and yet still users MORE power and runs hotter despite being on a 360WC. My 5950X used air.
I think Steve is on crusade of calling out negligence within Intel. I don’t want a fix that is not guaranteed, I want Intel to refund me my money I work hard for and stop sweeping ish under the rug. They don’t realize they are losing life long customers. Nothing against what you guys are doing. I appreciate it.
Intel pretty much gave up the enthusiast market about 2 years ago, they make a bazillion dollars on the laptop and OEM market anyway (where the BIOS massively reduces the power draw to avoid these kind of issues).
Crusade is a good word to describe Steve from GN, I respect him and his methodologies but definitely feel he lives in a tech bubble where everyone is a high-end gamer who needs to be told what to buy, rather than judging their own use-case (but hey you could say that about almost all tech RUclipsrs haahaa)
Drama sell now for his channel. He lost his PSU expert, wasted over 50 k of donations. He does not want to higher experts
people have short memory, much like a gold fish for some reason
you recall when AM5 popcorned and your Steve singled out ASUS and protected AMD?
same situation, now blame is on Intel not ASUS and the rest of mobo manufacturers ?!?!?!?! much integrity ... eh
you can keep him, I don't need his holier-than-thou approach crap
same with 12VHPWR connector melting, blaming it on the end-user .. still happening btw
Wasn't even all but 6 months ago I was in an argument with someone who didn't understand a 7800x3d is faster than a 14900k for strictly gaming. Aged well, clearly. Before, intel was a turn off by temps, price, powerdraw, and losing gaming performance for "extra" workload and streaming capability. Which I already do just fine. This is probably by far the worst condition I've seen their brand in, with this on top of that.
And for the other gentleman, there's a difference between board voltage by board partner and microcode from manufacturer causing issues. Board output voltage caused x3d issues, was fixed by bios update. That's not possible with Intel due to it being microcode. Tad more complex, requires intel to work with them because it's THEIR microcode. (Or it would be fixed.) And if I recall the x3d issue wasn't 50% of chips (depending the source on this intel topic) and taking half a year to fix.
I wanted a 14900k just to set up a half decent home server, it makes more sense. That won't happen anytime soon though with these issues.
@@steadyclouds4614 that is a bit crazy, people should do their research. I take issue with people who issue blanket statements like "Intel sucks!" or "AMD sucks!". Just write down what exactly you want to do, what your budget is, what extra limitations you have (e.g small space, high electricity costs etc), and then make an informed choice. High-end gaming? Probably get a AMD VCache model. File server? Probably get an Intel T sku. Home office? Get any 65W that's on offer. And so on 👍 People always assume their use-case, local market and budget is everyone's use-case, local market and budget...
I wouldn't say Steve is "going after the brand." I would argue he is going after company policies/mis-management.
This guy is delusional and has pretty much never had a good idea what he's on about. Half the stuff he says here is completely unfounded.
I'm more concerned with the reported oxidation issues with early 13th gen. Intel really needs to give some clarity which could settle some anxiety users are having. Rather than thinking we may or may not have a ticking time bomb in our machines.
intel claimed they resolved the issue but their word doesn’t mean anything until i hear back from GN about what the analysis says
This. I would at least expect, as Steve (GN) pointed out, that Intel makes it so that you can check if your CPU is one from the affected range on their RMA website, and then you should be able to return it and get a new one, which shouldn't have the problem. And if they have moved over completely to 14th gen, then those affected should get an equivalent 14th gen CPU. That is the least they could do.
@@TigonIII according to intel it was only early 13th gen 14th gen should not have ANY oxidation what so ever (if you take intels word) so 14th gen should only be the microcode
@@Zapdos0145 that's what I said, if you have one of the early 13th gen, you should be able to get it replaced by Intel, but if they aren't fabricating 13th gen, as they may have moved unto mainly fabricating 14th gen, then they should at least replace your old CPU with a 14th gen version, thus "upgrading" you to a newer CPU.
It is usually a good practice to provide a replacement of equal or greater value.
@@TigonIII intel hasn’t always been good at good practices. fingers crossed though, cause intels stock started going down when shareholders got word of this RMA issue
Intel: Dead Inside
So Intel is emo now?
Don't dead open inside
@@brandongreene3213 Say pizza to drugs, say no to yes!
@@brandongreene3213 don't dead intel inside
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Man that whole thing was just my luck, I bought my i9-14900k like a week before all this shit blew up.
Same here with an i5 13600K…
Just update you're bios ... and don't overclock it that cpu is a beast already. Last year when I bought my i9 13900k I did undervolt it and didn't have any problems. Now whit the bios update you don't need to tweak it just leave it be and it will be fine. As with all things push something to the limit and it will brake.
@Dogmar198S7 so basicly you say it's safe to buy? Looking at buying a desktop with i7 14700F. And Asus Tuff gaming B760 mb.
Just install the new bios?
@@viktorstorelv probably, but you should still check if it sets the settings within Intels limits just to be sure.
@@Prowz4ssin So if I update the bios, I should be good? Sounds 👍🏻
Based on what I've found, just RMA it right away. Some of these CPUs even have iGPU trouble, Unreal Engine games failing, and has to be stabilized with overclocking techniques such as disabling Turbo Boost... It's just not worth it, it's a faulty product.
Forget RMA, demand a full refund and then buy AMD. Better to just avoid the headache of Intel at this point
I noticed any game using dx12 (which is most new games using unreal engine) is unstable & crashes. Fortnite is 1 of them. Changed to dx11 & no issues, same on other game.. such a bummer
@@Trippymk8 there really isn't that much difference between dx11 and dx12... iirc the main difference is it has a better file system which slightly increases performance
@@brotherrogue2310 He is not talking about DX11 or DX12... he is talking about damaged CPU and that it is most visible when you do specific task and if your CPU is already acting strange then silicon is affected and oftware patch not gonna change much and if its not affected yet you have no idea how much wear was caused and how much time you have before it will be dead(even after the fix).
@@Bialy_1 the guy I replied to was...
idk why you think Steve is on a crusade, he seems to remain incredibly neutral while doing his job and giving Intel a chance to clean this up.
I immediately scrolled down to the comments when I heard that and sure enough, some are calling Jay out for it. No hate on Jay but saying "he's on a crusade against the brand and we're backing off on that" just feels off. IMO Steve isn't in a crusade, he's calling out the billion dollar company to own up to their faults. The way I see it, Intel would've kept quiet about it had there not been enough outlets covering the issue and it took all that just for them to speak up and confirm something's wrong.
This channel is a joke
@@golasticus spewing disinformation and withholding relevant information is a crusade.
Why would I want my 8month degraded cpu to live? Rather have it die and RMA it
Intel is refusing RMA.
@@rattlehead999I'm not sure they can legally do that if it's their own issues lol
You can always set it to An Hero mode later if you want to and run some UE5 shader compiles
@@rattlehead999 charge back it is! (My card lets me do that within 2 years of purchase)
After watching the video. I may be fine. I undervolted my pc upon purchase, have that one spacer mod, and a beefy AIO. Temps have never gone above 65 in daily use. Power virus I can throttle though.
I see a huge class action lawsuit looming up ahead.
And the end user will get $12 in the mail...
@@Noneofyourfknbizness American company wanna keep the money. No takebacks or refund allowed.
Two law firms have already announced they are in the "investigational phase" of filing and will seek class-action status. Intel is being truly galactically stupid in not immediately moving to fully admit their errors and make it right. Not to mention governments in places like the European Union will move against them as well.
@@Noneofyourfknbiznessdon't join the class action and take them to court yourself? Plenty of people did this to MS with W10 and MS just settled most even if people claimed silly things like "the update broke my PC and I had to go out and buy a new one". Plenty of legit ones like business disruption though which wouldn't have been covered at all in a class action.
Some people also did it when Sony removed OtherOS, normally because they were using OtherOS and some sort of hosting or they had OtherOS linked to their business...
Come to think of it, it's funny that Microsoft finally found the best way to stop piracy etc, was just to allow running your own code in a more limited dev mode. It's what most homebrew devs had been saying forever. Not to mention they realised that oh if you make ordinary consoles be able to act as basic dev units then suddenly anyone can code for your console and build indie games etc for it - and they do!
Love Falcon Northwest, cool to see you working with them!
So for not even 10% more performance, it eats like 50% more watts, that's a lot of energy wasted. Shows that overclocking isn't really worth it in terms of efficiency.
For the average daily use no it's not. Back in the day you could get real world gains in almost everything with a bit of an OC, but now things are so fast by default that unless you are doing higher end workloads the OC makes much less difference. I fell like I get better performance from more and faster ram than anything else these days.
Undervolting is the way to go I do 1.157v at 5.5ghz 14700k default you'll see as high as 1.325-1.350v or so which is silly the result is significantly better temperature for same perf or better.
ye I agree, I undervolted my 13600k down to 1.150 and it works so well, the performance works even better than intel's default since I get the maximum performance at 5-5.1ghz but lower voltage and amp and lower temp
@@resColts
I've been under-volting my 13900k for the majority of its use. (-0.100) I can stress test it with CPU-Z for hours and it remains stable at stock settings. OCCT's (free version) CPU+RAM stability test passes the 1 hr test without issue.
MSI has a beta micro-code BIOS update for my mobo. The previous stable version fixed the "default settings" issue. It now uses the "Intel recommended" settings limiting the power usage issue.
I seem to be really lucky when it comes to hardware failure! If you exclude Xbox controllers & stick drift, I've only had to RMA 1 mouse a looong time ago. I've been building my own PC's since the 1st PC I've ever owned, 20 yrs ago. I'm just hoping my luck continues with my 13900k!
@@tourist6290 never has been.
Makes me appreciate my 7800X3D even more now. At least it doesnt make me anxious.
They had us going for a minute when they were exploding
Ffs liar, they were catching fire due to motherboards overvolting them, no fault of the CPU. Especially Asus. All mobo manufacturers overvolt the CPUs on stock since Ryzen 1, that is why people started to learn undervolting for more thermal headroom + more silent + less temps + higher clocks. The X3D chips are more sensible to high voltage and temps and revealed this, was sorted with bios updates. Meanwhile intel chips are shit quality no matter of motherboards/settings/bioses.
@@cosminmilitaru9920 bro chill. I wasn't blaming AMD, I was just bringing up the fact that it happened
@@cosminmilitaru9920 yeah you can be correct but also take it down a notch. flies honey etc.
lol for real, wish i went am5 😿
Well Jay, I think this might have solved my crashing issue that's been plaguing me for most of this year. Time will tell but so far so good. Big thanks to you for this valuable intel. If crashing comes back I'll be donating this system to you for a future video.
Intel's lack of urgency regarding this is disgraceful. I've already gone through one RMA for my 14900K. The only acceptable option is to offer a FREE trade-in for a 15th Gen.
Then you are stuck with an incompatible motherboard.
@@Hennerbo they are supposedly releasing another gen for the lga 1700 socket, Bartlet S.
Complete scumbag company. 0 reputation at this point, AMD from here on out I guess, wish there was some competition but nope....
Only acceptable option is your money back...
the option is a new 14900k with your bios updated
I updated my Bios without UPS, that moment was intense.
I'll be doing that today.
@@Liq38how did it go
@@ErrorDebug went good, dropped core voltage a little and seems stable so far. I'll update again when Intel has their fix. I was on really old bios, like Feb last year.
This could validate alot of the overheating claims i see in reviews that I've seen while shopping around. I love this diagnostics and analysis
I learned of the Intel issues right after I ordered the parts for a 14900k build to replace a 3700k I've been running since 2012. Parts are coming tomorrow and this video is quite timely. Thanx
since the fix comes out in august just update bios asap and run it gently until the next bios update, you'll be fine
Sorry
If you like it 100% safe until August, turn off turbo boost. 100% Stable.
Why on God's green would you do that a few weeks away from brand new cpus from amd ! I'd return the lot or at least keep it all sealed and in the boxes and wait a few weeks see what the tec community say about the bios/micro code updates do and how the new amd cpus stack up , three weeks to wait seams like a no brainer to me
@@moonasha "you'll be fine" Yea he have literally ZERO guarantee that it will be so...
Intel makes a lot of cosmetics to hide the problem because it not only cares about PR but also about the huge cost of replacing millions of CPUs. And your advice could make the processor fail after the warranty period = 100% win for Intel!
Customer: Is your processor unlocked
Intel: Yes, but don't overclock
They left that K to down the clock, not to increase it, people just got it wrong lol. That's exactly what I did btw. Offset -0.135V, downed freq 0.2GHz on all P-Cores, and voila still hitting 41k in cinebench multi-core, without crazy voltages and constant thermal throttling. It's a really good CPU, just not what was advertised, and requieres some tweaking and testing, which most people have no idea about.
@@someperson1829 just? really lol, it's just false advertising, nothing else,...not a big deal
@@ivann4512 It is false advertising, yes. Still doesn't change the fact that it's a monster CPU, that works perfectly fine after a little tweaking.
@@someperson1829 "monster CPU" can't outperform 7800X3D a sub 5ghz CPU in gaming 🤡
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Difference in gaming is minimal, 2-5% or something like that, meanwhile 14900K demolishes 7800X3D in any performance other than gaming. If your PC is just a massive Xbox, then sure, X3D is a better choice. Mine isn't, it's both for work and gaming.
The fact that intel knew about this for a year is what makes this a long term issue for me. Going to be doing all amd builds for a while for my small business and family / friends.
Have I said how happy I am that I’m still on AM4 and not dealing with this?
And im happy i went for am5 lol. Amazing experience with my 7800x3d
Yep, I'm still on 10th Gen, and I was thinking about jumping to 13th Gen a few months ago.
Same here, seeeing the 5800X3D keep about 80% of the top CPUs gamescores is enough for me.
Me too, and a xeon and a 9th gen intel.
I have a R5 5800x in my pc, an R7 3700x in my studio pc and an R9 5950x in my girlfriend’s pc. She gets the good stuff.
My next upgrade being AMD is looking more and more likely every day.
100% from here on out for me and anyone that's listening to me. Intel needs new leadership
just dont pair it with an asus motherboard
@@ajflament8012 This has been the case with AMD or Intel for more than a decade. The only boards I have received to RMA have been Asus and most were high end.
Nobody cares
@@hughwattmate8467 You obviously cared enough to comment....
I have a 10th Gen Comet Lake i7 paired with a 3070Ti.
Incredibly happy and content and have been since I built it.
No desire to upgrade, no problems running anything I enjoy.
I didn’t know wanting a company to actually provide good products was a crusade.
FUNCTIONAL, not even good. lmfao
Degradation is the real problem here , even if you do all kind of magic in BIOS to reduce clocks/voltages etc, which is violating their own 13th & 14th gen CPU advertising. So the only way all this mess to be fixed is for Intel to recall the hole batch. Everything else is 100% non acceptable.
Did Intel advertise 5.1GHz on all P-cores for 253W P2?
What I see in Intel Core i9-13900K specs:
P-Core base frequency: 3.3GHz
Turbo Clock: up to 5.8GHz
P-Core Turbo: 5.4GHz - all P-Core frequency - not in any specs in 2022...
P-Core Boost 3.0: 5.7GHz - for fastest two cores identified on CPU die...
E-Core Frequency 2.2GHz-4.3GHz
TDP: 125W
PL1: 253W
PL2: 253W
Looks like 13900K was advertised (?) to work at 5.4GHz for all running P-Cores while after BIOS update it works only at 5.1GHz for P2:253W. This could be stability issue source. 300MHz overclock without enough voltage/power.
On the other hand some error with voltage choice in microcode CPU requested voltages beyond 1.5V.
Its not. Setting the power settings to WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE achieves the advertised clocks.
I have 5 Intel systems, all raptor lake refresh. All overclocked, non has any issues. I highly doubt that this is an issue with all 14th gen Intel.
Who would have thought these days we dont want to overclock intel cpu but tweak the voltage and settings to make sure the cpu will also work in two years on stock speed or slightly underclocked to save it. we always thought that with enough cooling they were almost indestructible, so a 13th 14th gen cpu throttling at 100degrees is in fact slowly destroying the cpu internals...
I undervolted my CPU to Intel spec recently after many crashes, thermal throttling and “out of video memory” errors….. it now finally works 100% no crashing, quiet and temps all good, I reeeeeeally do not want to tamper with it doing an update etc. again because now I’ve finally fixed it I’m scared it will muck up again after doing the updates etc. 😢
Your processor has already been worn out, so someone like you should get a new CPU from intel for free...
But Intel is not ready to do it because of the huge amount of CPU that are affected...
This patch from Intel may extend the life of your processor, but I sincerely doubt that even with this patch it won't finally give up in a year, two or tree...
Torturing the processor with high voltage affects its lifespan and the resulting wear won't disappear just because you stopped torturing it so much.
I used to torture very old K6-2 from AMD and over time I had to lower the voltage and clock speed to default-> the silicon simply aged much faster due to my abuse.
@@Bialy_1Thanks for your reply and thoughts dude. It sucks how it’s all still being worked out. I’ve been in touch with Intel support who advised me to do the BIOS update to get the “Intel Default Settings” as default power and then if I still have crashes at their specs then it is faulty and they will RMA it no worries. So I did just that, I was terrified to do it as my comment said, but I did it, it updated the BIOS to have the setting “Intel Default Settings” and it’s set to Intel Extreme as default. I booted my PC and ran my tests that would prior crash my CPU with the major voltage and can confirm that it is actual now stable as well as when I manually undervolted it to 125W this new Intel Default is running it at 253 watts and appears stable. I have written back to Intel and waiting for them to further advise, from what I can see right now my CPU thankfully isn’t damaged as it runs at Intel specs stable, but again like you’re comment suggests, doesn’t mean damage is not showing yet and it might over time. Waiting to hear back from Intel what they suggest and also asked if they will support customers like myself that don’t have damage right now but may appear over time in 12 months time will they RMA it then or provide extended warranty support for that. So we’ll see I guess!
@@LifeInPixelsImages hey. Where did you find these intel settings for bios? I just recently updated my Msi motherboard to latest version but still do not see it. Thanks in advance
@@TheAeyque Hey there, I have a Gigabyte board so all boards unfortunately are a bit different with the BIOS but on my Gigabyte board there was a tab called “Tweaker” then from there I went to either “CPU Settings” or “Advanced CPU Settings”, either way, there should be an option to search what you’re looking for so it’ll pop up easy to see in the BIOS, so if you find the search bar search “Intel Default Settings” and something should pop up what you’re looking for. Hope this helps 😊
@@TheAeyque Hey there, it’s annoying different brand boards BIOS looks different, but on my Gigabyte BIOS I went into the “Tweaker” tab then went to “CPU Settings” or “Advanced CPU Settings” and there was an option called “Intel Default Settings” there to click on and choose a profile. There should be a search bar to search key words in your BIOS, so if you find that and search “Intel Default Settings” or similar it should pop up what you’re looking for. Hopefully this helps 😊
I thought we all understood the dangers of overclocking, thats why we bought a k series cpu??
When you say: "Intel says"... that's not at all confidence inspiring based on their behavior as of late.
intel has a long history of lying and other mischievous deeds
Asus board + Intel CPU = napalm bomb. Step away from that computer. Jay! Step away from that computer, it does death!
MSI z790 has their Lite load default 9. Idles 60c out the gate, with a 360AIO.
@@kramnull8962 Also have MSI Z790, it idles on 30s. Something wrong with your rig.
@kramnull8962 I have a 14700K on all max default specs from a bios of last December (before the voltage changes and microcode fixes), with a 280mm aio, and I idle at around 32c and can't break 73c even with a full force cpu stress test. Something is off with your cooling, maybe you left the plastic cover on the aio
Asus Z270 + i7-7700k still going strong, but yeah, win 11 will have me eyeing AMDs/asrock
@@adreanmarantz2103 before the intel overpower and destruction I built a Asrock + 12600k ITX pc with DDR5, and a big power color 7900 XT GPU. I have 0 complaints. Everyone I know was shocked I went from a E-ATX computer to a MATX but that's what happens when your mother in law has to move in because reasons that cause rage. I cant have large nice things anymore due to not having the room. Consider Bazzite if you can play your games in Linux. I know its a one size fits most, won't work if you play games with anti cheat or maybe other issues.
So glad I bought my 10900k 4 years ago, still going perfectly strong, stays 60s under full load with GPU in the loop.
So what was the point of buying an unlocked CPU designed for overclocking AND a high end overclocking motherboard for 13th and 14th GEN????? NONE. We have been ripped off.
Exactly!
even xmp u cant use lol that will trash your high end rig if u got it just for that, now maybe u cant even run the video card at 100%
Is it worth updating BIOS if the PC has had no stability issues in the nearly one year that I've had it?
This is wild. I literally updated my girlfriend's bios settings for her intel build a few weeks ago after experiencing too many instances of instability leading to crashes. Your previous video in this saga was a huge help. Debating if an RMA is the way to go since oxidation may also play a factor on her 13th gen cpu. Thanks for the amazing content!
Me and my brother got unlucky with our i5-13600K chips. He got the “video memory” error and my windows would gradually freeze. Updating the BIOS *did* solve these issues, so I highly recommend, as Jay says first!
Surprisingly the 13600k isn't as affected as much as 13900k/14900k and then the i7 variants. The i5 cpus are very rare to be affected and technically do not have these issues as much the CPUs mentioned
I think you should RMA, the chip might be damaged and its very unlikely you'll have problems with a replacement 13600k cuz they're mostly not effected, probably bc their voltages are low even when uncapped.
RMA it.
I got that too. I RMA mines
I did the following that might help people:
- I have a I9-13900KF.
- I updated BIOS, made sure it runs with the "new" power specs.
- Stability remains shit.
-> Sended a help request to Intel using their website with explaining the history, changes etc. and mentioned that stability is still shit and that I assume the CPU has been damaged by running 1,5 year on the ASUS motherboard specs.
Their reaction was straight away, send it to us and we will send a new one. I am running the new one on the lower power specs and so far it's good 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
Lock all cores to 5.7 (not the idiot boosting up to 6.00ghz) apply fixed CPU voltage and your chip will live for ever....
I requested an RMA 2 days ago and have not received one word from intel.
I just got my nwe 14900k from an RMA. Lets hope this one lasts :P
@@demiankeaough4616 Same
@@sopp1ngwas yours degraded or having issues? Or did you send it in just in case it was degraded and issues might show up in the next couple months
@15:53 Happy to see Jay acknowledge the value of a good structural bureaucracy.
The real question is how to detect if the CPU are damaged or not? because I think my 13900k has been damaged.
There is an unreal engine decompress function that seems crash like every time on degraded chips
@@propylene22 This one it can be solved by some bios settings.
ive seen people do ycruncher
@@propylene22is this why my hell let loose crashes on map load constantly lately? It’s an unreal game
Install the latest bios, intel default settings, try some rendering with hwmonitor, and look voltages and temperatures Of course, under these conditions I wouldn't try to break benchmark records with these CPUs. I would try to get around 75-80 degrees, no more than that.
Do not install this Bios!!! This bios update is trash. I’m still seeing 1.62 volts to my p-cores still. Only way I can seem to fix it is to turn all turbo boost off, and cores become locked at 3.2GHz. Cannot sync all cores to 5.7. Lock your cores to 5.7, do not install this. On ASUS at least, yo will still get excessive voltage and related temps. I’m running a 420mm liquid freezer III in push/pull with 6 fans and still seeing spikes over 85c at rest, when cores 4 and 5 boost to 6GHz. Again, this is with only background tasks running. Come on Jay, I’ve followed you for years. Do better. Because I followed your advice, I cannot sync all cores to 5.7GHz. Even tried to roll back to the previous BIOS, but the micro code fixes are permanent. 1.62 volts are still being applied. Only way I’ve found to prevent it is to disable all intel turbo boost settings, locking performance to 3.2GHz.
I set manual OC multiplier and voltage settings from day 1 of my 13th gen. No instability at all.
In what world is "Here, run this thing you paid for slower than what you paid for, that way it doesn't break" fine? In any other industry they'd be doing recalls, and forcibly if necessary. Intel won't be getting any more of my business.
Jay, u failed to mention FRAME CHASERS. He singled handed saved the Intel degradation problem last year before any BIOS update was available.
which video
I went cutting edge on my newest PC. 13900k and 4090. I've had so many issues with it, I am probably forever going to choose AMD systems, unless Intel properly addresses the issues and fully compensates the people affected. My 13900k I had to undervolt because I thought I was dealing with overheating issues (which I was, but that wasn't the whole issue) and now I'm seeing all these issues other people are having, and I can finally understand the gravity of how fucked Intel is, for having pushed out 2 faulty generations of processors.
All these bios changes and updates is just temporary fixes, its gonna continue to degrade until it no longer will function!
RMA your CPUS and get your money back, that's the only fix that's gonna work permanently
got a 14700k and it runs flawless if it last longer than me ill be ok with that because i got brain tumors and liver cancer
I had mine in june and it started acting up 3 weeks ago. So good luck in advance to you lol
I lay A LOT of the blame at RUclipsrs feet, promoting Intel in order to get a commission on the sales.
Anyone who has ANY kind of tech savvy should have seen the warning signs when Intel was requiring the same power budget as THREE AMD chips for comparable performance.
Look, and nVidia chip is PHYSICALLY 3-4 times bigger than an Intel CPU. And yet the Intel CPU was drawing as much power.
It doesn't take a tech genius to realise that if you push 300 watt from a mouses arse, it's going to blow out quicker than if you push 300 watts through a horses.,
I just got a i9 12900 and going by thus i just need to make sure the RAM is set to correct speed and not overclock anything and i shoukd be good. My previous i9 9900 got this treatment and has rendered faultlessly with lightwave for 6 years
overclocking is very safe until the voltage is increased way above the norm. Unless your rocking a 13/14th gen lol
Did you time your video so the system clock was exactly at 13:03 (4:03) as you pointed to the BIOS version, also being 1303? Haha nice
Noticed the same, I paused the video to look for this comment hahaha
I legit had to rewind it because I thought Jay made an oopsie. I should know better.
If it works, don't touch it.
Built my PC about a year ago, was planning on getting the 13th gen but ended up going with the 12700KF. So glad I trusted my gut and stayed a step behind. It has more than enough power and pairs nicely with my 4070 without the voltage problems. ❤
This oughta be rich. Jay can fix internally fucked up cpus. Microcode updates do not fix oxidation that increases electrical resistance. So here's a fix to neuter your fucked up cpu. In the end you do not get the performance you paid for. Jay getting paid by intel PR?
Missed opportunity for a "Come with me if you want to live." Arnold Schwarzenegger impression.
I have an Asus Proart Z790 wifi motherboard and an intel I9 13900k, to have a cooler temperature but contain the loss of performance how should I do it and which BIOS parameters should I change? I have been following your RUclips channel for years, please can you give me a well-made guide, I trust you, you are very prepared and very professional and competent. Thanks from Italy
what if i want to watch the world burn?
Just wait a few months... XD
I just built my first computer this month and OMG am i glad i went with a 7800X3D
I high five my 7800X3D everyday. Best cpu I've ever owned.
Dodged a bullet
I built my new pc today with the 7800x3d. The worker at microcenter persuaded me to go amd and I'm thankful lol
@@byronmoscoso2213 good job lol. im sure Intel will get their crap together eventually and they have good cpus but the 7800X3D is so great to work with it doesn't even matter. I suggest looking into undervolting. Less heat due to less watts + better performance!
@@Typheriaa thanks for the advice. I'll look into it.
Hello, do you know why my CPU temperature goes from 40°C, for example, to 60°C immediately instead of rising gradually? (I have a i5 12600kf).
Its normal
Intel flew too close to the sun and burned
AMD FX9590 in 2013: Flew close to the sun
Intel 12/13th gen in 2024: I AM THE SUN!
So 12th gen is safe
grateful I bought the 12600k 1½ month ago, sad cuz I fried the z690 pro rs at start!using less than good h610m mobo now!its ok but cant be overclocked!
Yes it's safe
So 15th gen will be safe too.
I think I have the perfect storm, here: I have an ASUS G16 with an i9-14900HX. Given ASUS' horrible returns behavior and Intel's failures to deal with this issue appropriately, I'm screwed. No BIOS update on the ASUS ROG website. SMH
Chuck Norris has no problem with his 14900k processor.
Isn't there an Oxidation problem as well? I don't see how a bios update will fix that
Yeah, this video doesn't seem to have any mention of that. As far as we know, a large batch of early 13th gen cpu's were effected, 14th gen seems safe (but is effected by voltage issues). So if you have a 13th gen CPU that's experiencing issues, I would get that replaced asap.
Update 1663 for my tuf z790 plus wifi was SCREWED. i downgraded to 1662 to see if the issues continue, was no issues beforehand.
So happy with my 9900K.
Same here
Golden age.
Just sold my 9900k/strux board. It really was a beast. But, I'm pretty happy with my 12700k and only upgraded to take advantage of the arc control since I have an a770 card.
Yeah but next CPU is AMD for sure. Not gonna bother dealing with the Intel headache anymore.
9900k is another hot chip, at least the one that i've got, but no degradation over time it seems
0:01 - 100% he won't switch back to AMD
oh man I was hoping Intel had their game back. Still rocking the 4790K but in an Unraid project now. That CPU will never die!
12th gen for the Win
Intel should start replacing Peoples CPU, we all know any microcode patch font fix physical error inside chip.
Refund in full for all Intel cpu from affected gens and also the motherboards since those are useless without a defective Intel cpu in them.
There is levels to this. Wendell and Steve are actual experts. This guy is just some nerd who builds blinged PCs, the kind of dude you'll find behind a lot of counters in PC stores.
When I got my Z790 and 13700K I immediately disabled multi core enhancement and followed a guide specifically for a 13700K paired with an ASUS board. My voltage never goes above 1.288 and usually stays between 0.70 and 1.17.
You'd think that the guy with the world record 13700K at 7.5Ghz, would be rushing to you tube; to state they broke theirs in half.
My 13700k had stability issues, windows was doing so much strange things. Even the bios update didn't work. I sent it back to where I bought it from they tested it and the CPU was faulty and now it's being replaced by a 14700k
My 13700k had lots of stability issues. I swapped everything other then cpu and when I released my CPU was at fault. I sent it back to the store I bought it from. They tested it and found a fault and now it's being replaced by a 14700k and I hope this doesn't happen again :(
I did a similar thing with my MSI Z690 Meg Ace and a 2 month old 14600K. My Voltages are practically the same as yours - funny that!
FrameChasers showed this months ago. You already have cpu degregation for months now if you only do this now. Oopsie...
Mine got updated to 3603 x64. What should I do? I really don't know what I'm doing here.
Jay switches from Intel to AMD, 6 months later Jay switches back to Intel, now what?
follow the money
@@davidthiel483 follow the stability
@@Bratfalken
Yeah, so stable that they're literally in the news for breaking apart.
Did the definition of stability change all of a sudden?
@@CedricBassman ah I read the initial statement backwards. He got one of the 7950X3D and had problems, switched to Intel, but now....