Just stop promoting chinese rubbish already. All seems good in the short term and then it breaks and you get zero support. In the process they break serious players on the market by selling their stuff underpriced. Why is it actually that all the DIY youtubers are promoting only Chinese stuff the last 2 years? Guess they get sent the hardware quite easily for promotion....
I wish people would have stopped hating on these products just like they hated Nickelback back in the day, they hear something, they hear others hating, they just regurgitate and repeat the hate without really knowing anything about it. 1) I don't "get sent free Chinese stuff" I buy most of my stuff, this board, I paid and and bought it myself 2) Support? What support? Like you can get support for any $100 dual CPU motherboard in the world, you suddenly expect support from this one? 3) I already spent minutes on this video and almost every single video I make, explaining, that YOU ARE PAYING LESS FOR NOT GETTING SUPPORT. What's so hard to understand? 4) I already spent multiple videos showing how you can dump firmware and reverse engineer BIOS or easily just remove Intel ME etc. and tried to address all generic comments regarding Chinese motherboards, I don't know what people are complaining about. 5) "then it breaks"? really? Then it just breaks? Like suddenly it breaks in half or something? and then other similar motherboard somehow are "built different" and don't break? Just these "Chinese stuff" break? Really? Also, not everyone have $300-$400 to spend on a Dual CPU motherboard. Some people want a board that's powerful and just works. You just can't make everyone happy it seems....
@@TechnicallyUnsure I get it and I understand. These are good motherboards for tinkerers who dont care to replace it when it breaks (as with most of this stuff it is hit and miss and yes I do recognize that this brand is a bit more reliable than all other stuff you get from over there) But: the only environment I would trust it to run in is a sandboxed lab environment. There are other aspects to consider than just verifying if the motherboard works. And for your info: I am not a hater. I have been working in IT and Telecom for 25 years, so I know what I am talking about when it comes to Chinese components... There is a reason why industry is kicking a lot of Chinese stuff out of their environment. And the reason is mostly not related to reliability, you know... Anyway, feel free to use. If it works, it works. But I prefer spending like 100 dollars more on a motherboard from a known brand which complies to all required regulations. On average you use a motherboard for about 5 or 6 years, so that is an additional 20 dollars on a yearly basis for a motherboard you are sure which will not break, you get safe driver updates on a regular base, that you can RMA when it breaks in warranty period etc... etc... It is just a choice, you know
Yeah idc what people complain is “missing” this is *fantastic* for $110 lmao. Xeon CPUs are so cheap on eBay but for a board like this, you cannot beat that price outside of the occasional used/e-waste deal, and that’s usually dependent on where you’re located.
This particular board is super popular in my country superb build for the price, can do Dual 2696v4 (44c88t) 24/7 for YEARS please don't hate what you don't know for sure
My Chinese is not good but I think those stickers on the ram slots are actually warning you about removing standoffs from the motherboard tray. Normally on a single socket eatx board there is another set of standoffs where those ram slots are.
Yes check the position of the brass stand offs in your PC case or server chassis before installation of the motherboard. Also those sticks are to indicate that the ram slots without stickers must be used first if you're not using all four slots with memory. Otherwise the motherboard will not post or boot. Cheers :)
I bought this board a few weeks ago. Bifurcation is there under the IntelRCSetup menu. I also noticed you did not have the Re-sizeable BAR option, but it's there in my BIOS, so I suspect I have a newer one. I've got mine setup with 2x Xeon E5 2697AV4, 8x 32GB DDR4 3200(albeit only running at 2400) ECC(ECC is working), 2x Intel 550 10GBit dual ethernet cards, 1x Intel 226v dual ethernet card, 4x Samsung 1TB 970 Pro in an ASUS Hyper card(Using 4x4x4x4x bifurcation) and 9x Seagate 16TB HDDs. It's running Proxmox 8.3, hosting the latest version of OPNSense for routing and TrueNAS Scale for hosting the 88TB of storage. Works really well for the most part. I'm annoyed about the screw hole placements as most do not line up with a typical EATX case. The VRM fines are whiny too.
It also hosts a Linux Mint VM and after initial setup I pulled out the GFX card to reduce idle power draw. Typically it idles at 190~200w, even with all HDD spinning.
Hey, thank you so much for the awesome write up! I'm thinking of this board for an LLM server, so bifurcation is extremely important to me. I was wondering if each CPU socket's 4 ram slots are running in dual channel, or if it's quad channel as the CPU supports (each ram slot per cpu being a channel)? It's not that important for how I plan to run it, but the documentation is poor.
@@CriticalTechReviews I'm not 100% sure if each CPU is running in dual or quad channel mode. When using dmidecode on Proxmox, I only have 4 different nodes for the 8 slots, that suggests to me only 2 memory channels per CPU. Is my understanding correct?
@@CriticalTechReviews I still have my 2696v4 system with Huananzhi F8, that does run in quad channel. I'll compare results later and see if I can decipher what dmidecode is telling me.
Those m2 slots are important if you only have one CPU connected. Also, I bought a slightly weaker setup a month ago with 2x 2698Bv3 (16c/32t 2.0-3.4GHz) and 256GB DDR3 RAM (8x32GB) which really does quad channel and works fantastically. I only paid £240 for my setup. Added to that is a WD-Black sn770 2TB, RTX4070ti Super and it works better than I could have expected. For me this is a video editing rig, not a gaming rig. I deliberately chose the v3 processor because I have turbo unlocked and all cores can work at a maximum power of 3.4GHz, which can't be done on v4.
The warnings were about the motherboard stand off in the default ATX placement hitting the back of the motherboard and causing a short. It may need to be removed for this motherboard.
The E5-2699V4 isn't the fastest 22 core, it's the E5-2699AV4. The latter chip has a slightly higher base clock and boost clock of 2.4/3.6 GHz. It's also really expensive, around $200 on the usual market places.
At that point you could probably scrape your way onto a Skylake Xeon platform and probably have a better performing machine with a used Super Micro board.
@@Lurch-Bot LGA 3647 and 4189 are pretty bad. You can go 4677 and get ES SPR 8480/QYFR/QYFS-- or even EMR for about $200-500, except the single/ dual socket boards will run you $400-1400. Going from 2011-3 to any of those above two mentioned sockets ain't worth it, you could go 2nd/3rd gen EPYC and be better off after 2011-3. Anyone interested, suggest going to Serve the Home forums and look at ES Xeon thread.
The copper column is a standoff. By default, there will be one positioned in a case that will be wrong and potentially damage a motherboard in this EEB form factor. I ran into that issue with a WRX90 motherboard. Just be careful of standoff positions in cases. You will have to relocate one or two for boards in this form factor.
Finally. someone used the 2699s in a dual socket board. I have the same setup just a different version of x99 and it's insanely fast. I benchmarked it with cpu z and it was neck n neck with the threadripper. The only thing is it uses a lot of power. I had to use a seperate 1100 watt server psu for the cpus. Nice to see someone use the right cpus in a dual cpu board.
I have that board, and I use it for streaming, pretty well it hasn't failed me once in 9 months of use, and for multitasking it's a show, I've had programs and up to 3 games open and it doesn't even flinch.
There is a 4-channel RAM mode due to the c612 chipset, and the black and orange coloring is due to the display of channels 1-2, 3-4 Also, you correctly said that there is 1 m2 PCIe for each processor, and not 2 m2 PCIe for cpu1 because cpu1 uses 3 PCIe(16/8/8) and 1 m2 PCIe, the configuration of cpu2 is the same, just a typo Regarding updating the bios firmware, you can do this from under win10 or directly through a clothespin with a programmer and an additional PC, by the way, there are modified bios for these boards so that timings for Ram appear or you can fix the maximum frequency of the processor v3 version (Unlock Turbo Boost + Undervolting), Thanks for the video
I am a Vietnamese user I am using that motherboard it is really good for the price it works 24/24 without any problem for a long time its warranty period in Vietnam is 1 year during that 1 year I have made money from it and can buy another one if it breaks because its working ability is very good for the price
About the NVME drives, the ones you installed are PCIE gen4, the CPUs you use and the board are only PCIE gen3, the maximum speed is half. This can also bottleneck modern GPUs that might need more bandwidth for maximum performance, especially some of the budget ones since they only have 8 lanes
can you recommend any better cpu coolers for this? I'm trying to build a gaming PC using huananzhi dual CPU motherboard. And for the PSU. What's the recommended brand? I do know that you need 1000 watt PSU for this. Howeverr, I'm concerned with the compatible PSU and CPU cooler for this.
Great video, finally a good recommendation by the algorithm lol Couple of questions. 1. Don't answer if it's too personal. What kind of watch is that? It looks stunning, but I could not find make up what it is. 2. What is a config like that used for? It's probably too excessive for a storage server. Game server maybe? IMO the security aspect of it is not too big of a deal. The platform itself has enough inherent vulnerabilities as it is. Just skip it if security is the main priority.
1) Franck Muller Vanguard Yachting 2) I am using it as a Proxmox server so I can run a bunch of VMs on it for different projects and tests and build/compile environments. But, for example, if you install a PCIE maybe 2xSFP+ card or 4xRJ45 10GBe ethernet cards, you can install Proxmox and turn it into Proxmox with TrueNAS + pfSense server, pfSense to protect the network and TrueNAS as NAS and you can still run bunch more VMs on it, you can passthrough ethernet cards to the pfSense running inside the Proxmox. Alternatively, you can also use it as a gaming server and do GPU passthrough with Proxmox. Lots of ideas.
some cpu intensive task like video editing or 3d rendering can take advantage of the overall core counts and the large L3 cache pool.a threadreaper rig is also very good at these ,but cost 10X the price ,but not 10 times faster
@17:32 lol that's not what you're "seeing on the screen". The result shows 8,024MB in 3 seconds (2,674 per second). Your drive package shows a 7,400MB/sec rated read speed. You're getting about 1/3rd the performance that's advertised.
I have the exact board and it makes an ideal super cheap cluster node for test environments where one wants to move around lots of VMs and containers or experiment with features before doing that on a production node. I mean not all of us have the budget for yet another 5 or 7 new Supermicro boxes with a more recent CPUs just to test new stuff. This gives almost anyone the possibility to a) learn before deploying and b) have redundancy at a budget that is intrinsically prohibitive for most users outside the few blessed 5%. Also talking about those used Supermicro mobos from Ebay - they aren't a miracle either and unless you get a brand new board for an outdated yet affordable XEON at an overpriced amount what's out there has been used for years and won't last you another 5 or 6. Why I say that? I have dozens of thee too and new ones as well so it's quite a gamble, plus many are EOL even if unused and there is no support and no updates for the later beyond what Linux can offer. That said 3 or 5 nodes in a cluster will always be more reliable that a single machine. And DDR4 is dirt cheap and for most applications any combination of the above i.e. Chinese new plus Taiwanese used ones plus a few high-end production machines can create a really nice Homelab setup at a fraction of the cost of even a single new HP machine.
I have used Huananzhi F8D original (non "plus") and it works very well. Occasional quirks with memory but everything works including bifurcation. I was even able to turbo boost unlock and test 2666v3/2699v3/2696v3 with no issues. This new model is interesting. More PCIE slots, more NVMe. But no bifurcation? I am curious if we can BIOS mod for turbo unlock.
@williamcroson9102 maybe i've got a different bios .... i've turned the bios Inside out....can not find the bifurcation settings anywhere...but thanks for the reply 👍👌✅
a very interesting review as I have been considering a duel 2011v3 board for a Home server project, and was considering the same CPU`s that you tested with, based on my home computer running a sinilar xeon, i thought the they had quad channel ram? I like the particular board you picked for the ammount of SATA as would make for a good home server/NAS with VM`s
I have a HUANANZHI x99QD4 xeon 2650v4 CPU + 32 GB DDR4 ECC + Plextor 1TB PCIe add-in in the corner of the room. Works flawlessly. (was cheap) Also in nice box with all the stuff. I had Win10, Win server 202x, ubuntu with k8s vclusters, no issue yet.
Really nice tinker board. That 400 watt is not nothing but if you compare that to the PI board and divide the score with the consumption, I think these Xeons would come out better.
why would you use ubuntu 22? i'm sure newer builds would be more performant and would probably fix bugs etc. would be quite neat to see some gaming steam/proton gaming benchmarks going on this board, or some pci-e passthrough benchmarks
Fractul Focus you have to notch the back of the drive bracket with a Dremel to clear the power cable or just remove the drive bay by drilling a couple rivets if you have no use for optical drives
the lable means, (i know it without knowing chinese language) you have to place the RAM in a special Configuration, depending you use one or two CPUs! greetings
I have a 2699A V4 and was considering doing a 2 socket build. Would you mind running some games and seeing the performance with both processors running and then also post results with 1 of them disabled? I'm curious if the 2nd processor would help or hurt gaming performance.
@@zebular Same dude. My current Xeon build is Asus x99-e(got extremely lucky), 1650v4, 32GB ram(Quad Channel) and RTX 3060(12 GB). I've been contemplating upgrading to a 2699 V4 but I am scared that my emulation gaming will suffer due to the lower clock speed. The 7th and 8th gen emulation can be a nightmare in that regard.
Would the BKHD C612 NP on AliExpress and Alibaba work well as a Nas system. I have looked at it yet am unsure if it is the best pick. Your videos are wonderful and very helpful.
You can absolutely use it for gaming, just put a good GPU and some good CPU in it and it should do fine. You don't have to use exactly my components, for RAM I think any 2400 DDR4 RAM should work, but I'm using this www.amazon.com/dp/B078V19STQ As for power supply, I'm using Corsair SF750
That Chinese warning on RAM slots is about be carefull when installing motherboard in ATX case. Usual location of mounting nuts for a traditional width motherboard will interferre with RAM pins of this MB. So you should remove that nuts before installing motherboard
Those spacers that came in the box, and you didn't use, should raise CPU cooler(s) high enough that they don't interfere with the RAM sticks (whether they'll work with your particular coolers is another thing).
I saw in your BIOS there was a PCI Express menu item - was lane bifiurcation under there perhaps? Note with these CPUs a heatsink that is larger - and further from the CPU - using 4 heat pipes is recommended - and this make adding the extra memory cards much easier. Under WIndows 10 Pro - programs need to add about 10 lines of code to ensure work spawned reflects NUMA node affinity correctly (and many miss this) else one you go above 64 logical processors - work only gets spawned to the logical processors of one NUMA pool where the spawning processor resided - so one CPU gets flogged and one sits idle. Meaning to throw work to all processors on a badly coded program you have to turn off hyper threading to half your logical processor count to get below the 64 logical processor limit built into Windows 10 before special coded is needed!
Also some time back i risked it an got a cheap "X79" dual socket 2011 board. Worked well as yours here did. But from the beginning, I was suspicious about the tiny heatsink on the "X79", not even getting warm really. Turns out they used a B75 chip. Chinese ingenuity beats intel's restrictions!
I did a build to sell with an X99-PR9-H and 1650v3 and somehow they used a QM57 1st gen mobile chipset, lol. It has a ton of USB 2.0 channels which I am sure they are using for the NVMe slot somehow. The X79 board I have had for awhile has a C602 chipset, which is an actual workstation chipset for LGA-2011 but it still had to be hacked to support NVMe. They never use an actual X-whatever chipset.
I can't read chinese but I'm 99% sure the sticker is telling you to remove the standoff behind that spot (that normally has a screw hole there on ATX mobos)
Do their board have x16 pcie bifurcation run correctly ? We can build a budget all nvme storage server if populate all those x16 slot with 4/4/4/4 nvme carrier 😂 The warning is to remind you if the case or rig have copper standoff please remove them before install the board, proably the board have one or more mounting hole was not open like most motherboard , remove the extra copper standoff to prevent shortcircuit/ damage
I have HUANANZHI X99 F8 e5-2696v3 128GB Ecc 2400DDR4 + RX6900xt 2x1TB WD Black SN770 m.2 , 6x1TB WD blue SSD SATA 2x6TB WD Black HDD SATA . For video editing(FHD) ang gameing sometimes, all equipment not bat for me. The performance is good and the price of all devices is not too expensive
Seems there is Pci Bifurcation in chipset option "IIO" somewhere like that i'm not sure. I use the little brother the F8D and i use a 4 ports pcie nvme adapter with pci bifurcation 4x4x4x4x
IMO X99 is just too old by now. Haswell and Broadwell are bogged down by microcode and OS fixes for all the sidechannel attacks found. Getting a used B350/450 or B550 (if you need PCIe 4) board with a used Ryzen 3950X or 5950X if you're lucky to find one for cheap is a much better deal IMO.
I guess you can afford it, but not my ideal move to use a brand new 4TB NVMe SSD on a potential deathtrap motherboard to test the motherboard. And a RTX 4070. Ouch! And you keep adding more things before you even test if it works. You are more brave than I am.
Hi Mate^^, I got the same Motherboard in a Testserver, the Windows Updater downloads the wrong Netzwerk Drivers, you need to check what Chip is on your board and load the matching Drivers from the Chipmanufacterers side, I had a Intel Chipset, can't remember wich one~ The Realtech Drivers work, but are the wrong Drivers~ The Board is rather limmited in its Gameabilitys; because once the Data has to be handled by both CPUs (happens mostly when you have More Gamedata loaded than can fit in one RAM module) it becomes extremely laggy, latency and stuff between the CPUs ~ I Tryed my luck with the TPM module and thought it might be a ASUS TPM but the Mainboard just angrily beeped at me absurdly fast and wouldn't even POST~
Thanks for letting me know, I have had issues with wrong network drivers as well, not with this particular motherboard, but with some other, you are right, it's better to always download official driver from official website.
in my country it is only $90 for ddr4 and $70 for ddr3. while the single processor is half of that. i suggest buying E5-2680 v4 (used) for $20 (in my country), with a budget of less than $200 you can build a 28 core processor pc.
@TechnicallyUnsure i saw in reddit that bifurcation is available for this board and is in the 3rd tab under intel rc setup > iio configuration. Can you please confirm if you still have the setup up & running?
@@kingeling I wouldn't get a new one. I already have an i7-5960X (sorry for the typo in my original post), but the motherboard decided to stop recognizing any GPU so that PC is doing nothing.
I don't think it is for "CPU #1 and CPU #2" in that case they would be numbered as #0 and #1, but if you are using one or two CPUs. I maybe be wrong. They can be use with only one CPU, another guess.
go buy a used HP Z840 for the same price barebones and get the case, psu, more mem slots, and better support....theyre rock solid too....this does look compelling but the platform is too old or me to want to invest in new parts for it personally, but the Z840,hell yea, they're amazing little workstations
Cooler was doing fine, temps never reached above 65. As for 300 watts, that was happening in Windows, but in Linux with stress-ng it reached 400W each time I ran the test
I have this in homelab, its fun to experiment on, but doesn’t support bifurcation. For anything prod, use Supermicro or similar. It is Chinese and it’s made from recycled server boards and parts, don’t make this a dependency in your environment.
Curious if anyone managed to get a windows 7 install working with this motherboard? For an ancient processor, I am currently using on a single processor Asus Motherboard, I am using windoze7 and it works fine, but when I jump to the eatx MS wants Win10. I will never use Win10, so if it will not work, I am stuck using single CPU.
@TechnicallyUnsure thank you so much for responding. I'll be buying this board soon then. I have a workstation case that can support eatx which I always wanted to run a dual 2011 socket in.
Frankly for the price it does under cut everyone else. But funny how it more pci slots then many 200$+ gamer boards and also a segment display for post codes that only 500$+ motherboards have. Current main stream motherboard manufactures have lost the plot.
For me in the Netherlands these are €152,66 which is a horrible deal, for not much more i will have a Z690 board from an actual brand with actual guarantee.
less than 2 weeks mosfet always buirning had to repalce with a higher voltage and current to run a bit coller , it hope it last, dont run this with with a extreme memory speed and dont over clocked it not recommended in my experince
the Chinese know our big weakness "Big shiny thing", i mean look at the performance per watt' a zen 3700x will eat it for is breakfast at a 3rd of the power and price.. good vid tho bud very entertaining, thanks.
Im from mexico i use dual xeon E5 2697v3 with 64 ram ddr4 2133mhz, aliexpress is good haha, so ( i use this with RX 6650XT and Powesuplly 1250w platinul balam rush) cpu z 12080 point lmaooo
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Just stop promoting chinese rubbish already. All seems good in the short term and then it breaks and you get zero support. In the process they break serious players on the market by selling their stuff underpriced. Why is it actually that all the DIY youtubers are promoting only Chinese stuff the last 2 years? Guess they get sent the hardware quite easily for promotion....
I wish people would have stopped hating on these products just like they hated Nickelback back in the day, they hear something, they hear others hating, they just regurgitate and repeat the hate without really knowing anything about it.
1) I don't "get sent free Chinese stuff" I buy most of my stuff, this board, I paid and and bought it myself
2) Support? What support? Like you can get support for any $100 dual CPU motherboard in the world, you suddenly expect support from this one?
3) I already spent minutes on this video and almost every single video I make, explaining, that YOU ARE PAYING LESS FOR NOT GETTING SUPPORT. What's so hard to understand?
4) I already spent multiple videos showing how you can dump firmware and reverse engineer BIOS or easily just remove Intel ME etc. and tried to address all generic comments regarding Chinese motherboards, I don't know what people are complaining about.
5) "then it breaks"? really? Then it just breaks? Like suddenly it breaks in half or something? and then other similar motherboard somehow are "built different" and don't break? Just these "Chinese stuff" break? Really?
Also, not everyone have $300-$400 to spend on a Dual CPU motherboard. Some people want a board that's powerful and just works.
You just can't make everyone happy it seems....
@@TechnicallyUnsure LOL! Ignore the haters, haters gonna hate, dumb people will be dumb. Keep up the good work
pinned of shame, get some iq "RealLordy"
@@TechnicallyUnsure I get it and I understand. These are good motherboards for tinkerers who dont care to replace it when it breaks (as with most of this stuff it is hit and miss and yes I do recognize that this brand is a bit more reliable than all other stuff you get from over there)
But: the only environment I would trust it to run in is a sandboxed lab environment. There are other aspects to consider than just verifying if the motherboard works.
And for your info: I am not a hater. I have been working in IT and Telecom for 25 years, so I know what I am talking about when it comes to Chinese components...
There is a reason why industry is kicking a lot of Chinese stuff out of their environment. And the reason is mostly not related to reliability, you know...
Anyway, feel free to use. If it works, it works. But I prefer spending like 100 dollars more on a motherboard from a known brand which complies to all required regulations. On average you use a motherboard for about 5 or 6 years, so that is an additional 20 dollars on a yearly basis for a motherboard you are sure which will not break, you get safe driver updates on a regular base, that you can RMA when it breaks in warranty period etc... etc... It is just a choice, you know
@@tvojejbabkydedko Hmmm, you would be surprised with regards to that IQ, really
THanks for pinning and to give me a platform this way 😅😅
Yeah idc what people complain is “missing” this is *fantastic* for $110 lmao. Xeon CPUs are so cheap on eBay but for a board like this, you cannot beat that price outside of the occasional used/e-waste deal, and that’s usually dependent on where you’re located.
This particular board is super popular in my country
superb build for the price, can do Dual 2696v4 (44c88t) 24/7 for YEARS
please don't hate what you don't know for sure
Quick question if you would humor me. What would be better: them 2694 v4 or 2699 v3 with turbo unlock?
@@virtueofsunlight1342 2696v3 unlock
what is your country?
My Chinese is not good but I think those stickers on the ram slots are actually warning you about removing standoffs from the motherboard tray. Normally on a single socket eatx board there is another set of standoffs where those ram slots are.
Yes check the position of the brass stand offs in your PC case or server chassis before installation of the motherboard. Also those sticks are to indicate that the ram slots without stickers must be used first if you're not using all four slots with memory. Otherwise the motherboard will not post or boot. Cheers :)
3:43 That is the south bridge chipset. It is what controls some PCIe lanes as well as the sata ports and the m.2 slots on the motherboard. Cheers
Chairman mong would be proud
I bought this board a few weeks ago. Bifurcation is there under the IntelRCSetup menu. I also noticed you did not have the Re-sizeable BAR option, but it's there in my BIOS, so I suspect I have a newer one. I've got mine setup with 2x Xeon E5 2697AV4, 8x 32GB DDR4 3200(albeit only running at 2400) ECC(ECC is working), 2x Intel 550 10GBit dual ethernet cards, 1x Intel 226v dual ethernet card, 4x Samsung 1TB 970 Pro in an ASUS Hyper card(Using 4x4x4x4x bifurcation) and 9x Seagate 16TB HDDs. It's running Proxmox 8.3, hosting the latest version of OPNSense for routing and TrueNAS Scale for hosting the 88TB of storage. Works really well for the most part. I'm annoyed about the screw hole placements as most do not line up with a typical EATX case. The VRM fines are whiny too.
It also hosts a Linux Mint VM and after initial setup I pulled out the GFX card to reduce idle power draw. Typically it idles at 190~200w, even with all HDD spinning.
Hey, thank you so much for the awesome write up! I'm thinking of this board for an LLM server, so bifurcation is extremely important to me. I was wondering if each CPU socket's 4 ram slots are running in dual channel, or if it's quad channel as the CPU supports (each ram slot per cpu being a channel)? It's not that important for how I plan to run it, but the documentation is poor.
@@CriticalTechReviews I'm not 100% sure if each CPU is running in dual or quad channel mode. When using dmidecode on Proxmox, I only have 4 different nodes for the 8 slots, that suggests to me only 2 memory channels per CPU. Is my understanding correct?
@@CriticalTechReviews I still have my 2696v4 system with Huananzhi F8, that does run in quad channel. I'll compare results later and see if I can decipher what dmidecode is telling me.
What BIOS version do you have in it?
Those m2 slots are important if you only have one CPU connected. Also, I bought a slightly weaker setup a month ago with 2x 2698Bv3 (16c/32t 2.0-3.4GHz) and 256GB DDR3 RAM (8x32GB) which really does quad channel and works fantastically. I only paid £240 for my setup. Added to that is a WD-Black sn770 2TB, RTX4070ti Super and it works better than I could have expected. For me this is a video editing rig, not a gaming rig. I deliberately chose the v3 processor because I have turbo unlocked and all cores can work at a maximum power of 3.4GHz, which can't be done on v4.
The warnings were about the motherboard stand off in the default ATX placement hitting the back of the motherboard and causing a short. It may need to be removed for this motherboard.
Copper column is probably the MoBo standoff in the Case that is most likely installed by default.
The E5-2699V4 isn't the fastest 22 core, it's the E5-2699AV4. The latter chip has a slightly higher base clock and boost clock of 2.4/3.6 GHz. It's also really expensive, around $200 on the usual market places.
Thank you, I did not know about that particular CPU, I'll try to include it in my future videos.
At that point you could probably scrape your way onto a Skylake Xeon platform and probably have a better performing machine with a used Super Micro board.
@@Lurch-Bot LGA 3647 and 4189 are pretty bad. You can go 4677 and get ES SPR 8480/QYFR/QYFS-- or even EMR for about $200-500, except the single/ dual socket boards will run you $400-1400. Going from 2011-3 to any of those above two mentioned sockets ain't worth it, you could go 2nd/3rd gen EPYC and be better off after 2011-3.
Anyone interested, suggest going to Serve the Home forums and look at ES Xeon thread.
The copper column is a standoff. By default, there will be one positioned in a case that will be wrong and potentially damage a motherboard in this EEB form factor. I ran into that issue with a WRX90 motherboard. Just be careful of standoff positions in cases. You will have to relocate one or two for boards in this form factor.
EEB position vs eATX position 😉
this is awesome, we dont have to search hard for information for these motherboard.
Ooo I want one, and the guy below running ProxMox, you are Legend!
3:15 That is a heatsink for the X99 Chipset, the power strip/VRM you are referring to is on the side of the CPU socket
Finally. someone used the 2699s in a dual socket board. I have the same setup just a different version of x99 and it's insanely fast. I benchmarked it with cpu z and it was neck n neck with the threadripper. The only thing is it uses a lot of power. I had to use a seperate 1100 watt server psu for the cpus. Nice to see someone use the right cpus in a dual cpu board.
I have that board, and I use it for streaming, pretty well it hasn't failed me once in 9 months of use, and for multitasking it's a show, I've had programs and up to 3 games open and it doesn't even flinch.
There is a 4-channel RAM mode due to the c612 chipset, and the black and orange coloring is due to the display of channels 1-2, 3-4
Also, you correctly said that there is 1 m2 PCIe for each processor, and not 2 m2 PCIe for cpu1
because cpu1 uses 3 PCIe(16/8/8) and 1 m2 PCIe, the configuration of cpu2 is the same, just a typo
Regarding updating the bios firmware, you can do this from under win10 or directly through a clothespin with a programmer and an additional PC, by the way, there are modified bios for these boards so that timings for Ram appear or you can fix the maximum frequency of the processor v3 version (Unlock Turbo Boost + Undervolting),
Thanks for the video
I am a Vietnamese user I am using that motherboard it is really good for the price it works 24/24 without any problem for a long time its warranty period in Vietnam is 1 year during that 1 year I have made money from it and can buy another one if it breaks because its working ability is very good for the price
I like your videos and as long as it works and price is fair! Thank you for these reviews, I find them helpful. 🙌💯
About the NVME drives, the ones you installed are PCIE gen4, the CPUs you use and the board are only PCIE gen3, the maximum speed is half.
This can also bottleneck modern GPUs that might need more bandwidth for maximum performance, especially some of the budget ones since they only have 8 lanes
Really OP CPU cooler. Good luck with that
can you recommend any better cpu coolers for this? I'm trying to build a gaming PC using huananzhi dual CPU motherboard. And for the PSU. What's the recommended brand? I do know that you need 1000 watt PSU for this. Howeverr, I'm concerned with the compatible PSU and CPU cooler for this.
Great video, finally a good recommendation by the algorithm lol
Couple of questions.
1. Don't answer if it's too personal. What kind of watch is that? It looks stunning, but I could not find make up what it is.
2. What is a config like that used for? It's probably too excessive for a storage server. Game server maybe?
IMO the security aspect of it is not too big of a deal. The platform itself has enough inherent vulnerabilities as it is. Just skip it if security is the main priority.
1) Franck Muller Vanguard Yachting
2) I am using it as a Proxmox server so I can run a bunch of VMs on it for different projects and tests and build/compile environments.
But, for example, if you install a PCIE maybe 2xSFP+ card or 4xRJ45 10GBe ethernet cards, you can install Proxmox and turn it into Proxmox with TrueNAS + pfSense server, pfSense to protect the network and TrueNAS as NAS and you can still run bunch more VMs on it, you can passthrough ethernet cards to the pfSense running inside the Proxmox. Alternatively, you can also use it as a gaming server and do GPU passthrough with Proxmox. Lots of ideas.
some cpu intensive task like video editing or 3d rendering can take advantage of the overall core counts and the large L3 cache pool.a threadreaper rig is also very good at these ,but cost 10X the price ,but not 10 times faster
@17:32 lol that's not what you're "seeing on the screen". The result shows 8,024MB in 3 seconds (2,674 per second). Your drive package shows a 7,400MB/sec rated read speed. You're getting about 1/3rd the performance that's advertised.
They have released x11d series recently but product is not mature enough yet.
I have the exact board and it makes an ideal super cheap cluster node for test environments where one wants to move around lots of VMs and containers or experiment with features before doing that on a production node. I mean not all of us have the budget for yet another 5 or 7 new Supermicro boxes with a more recent CPUs just to test new stuff. This gives almost anyone the possibility to a) learn before deploying and b) have redundancy at a budget that is intrinsically prohibitive for most users outside the few blessed 5%. Also talking about those used Supermicro mobos from Ebay - they aren't a miracle either and unless you get a brand new board for an outdated yet affordable XEON at an overpriced amount what's out there has been used for years and won't last you another 5 or 6. Why I say that? I have dozens of thee too and new ones as well so it's quite a gamble, plus many are EOL even if unused and there is no support and no updates for the later beyond what Linux can offer. That said 3 or 5 nodes in a cluster will always be more reliable that a single machine. And DDR4 is dirt cheap and for most applications any combination of the above i.e. Chinese new plus Taiwanese used ones plus a few high-end production machines can create a really nice Homelab setup at a fraction of the cost of even a single new HP machine.
Can the x16 (electrically) sockets be bifurcated tox4x4x4x4 ?
Unfortunately I couldn't find the bifurcation settings in the BIOS
@@TechnicallyUnsure Thank you for looking. Motherboard went from "answer to all my problems" to, "one of the thousand i have looked at"
Seems like some others received a board with proper BIOS that had the bifurcation settings.
Sorry, just found it, it was under Intel RCS setup > IIO configuration. It does have Bifurcation settings.
@@TechnicallyUnsure- you may have this asked a lot, would be good to make a little more prominent! Thanks ❤
I have used Huananzhi F8D original (non "plus") and it works very well. Occasional quirks with memory but everything works including bifurcation. I was even able to turbo boost unlock and test 2666v3/2699v3/2696v3 with no issues.
This new model is interesting. More PCIE slots, more NVMe.
But no bifurcation? I am curious if we can BIOS mod for turbo unlock.
Bifurcation is there under the Intel RC Setup menu.
ive did put myself the ffs driver for rebar,in the same motherboard..if you need modded bios huananzhi f8d or plus,is easy to do it...
The f8d plus does not (as far i can see) support bifurcation
@jeroenmuller7976 it 100% does support bifurcation. I'm using it.
@williamcroson9102 maybe i've got a different bios .... i've turned the bios Inside out....can not find the bifurcation settings anywhere...but thanks for the reply 👍👌✅
a very interesting review as I have been considering a duel 2011v3 board for a Home server project, and was considering the same CPU`s that you tested with, based on my home computer running a sinilar xeon, i thought the they had quad channel ram? I like the particular board you picked for the ammount of SATA as would make for a good home server/NAS with VM`s
I have a HUANANZHI x99QD4 xeon 2650v4 CPU + 32 GB DDR4 ECC + Plextor 1TB PCIe add-in in the corner of the room. Works flawlessly. (was cheap) Also in nice box with all the stuff. I had Win10, Win server 202x, ubuntu with k8s vclusters, no issue yet.
Did I hear there's a TPM module for the F8D+? Where did you get it?
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What PSU did you use?
Corsair SF750
Overkill for this setup maybe, but that's the PSU I use in my videos.
Great review. Thank you, wanted to ask, does the board boot with just one CPU installed? ❤
Really nice tinker board.
That 400 watt is not nothing but if you compare that to the PI board and divide the score with the consumption, I think these Xeons would come out better.
why would you use ubuntu 22? i'm sure newer builds would be more performant and would probably fix bugs etc. would be quite neat to see some gaming steam/proton gaming benchmarks going on this board, or some pci-e passthrough benchmarks
In the same style, there is also the EVGA SR2.
At the time, I dreamed of having it.
5:50 - gigabit or 2.5? The graphic showed 2.5
2.5Gbps as iperf3 shows, I thought I saw gigabit on the aliexpress page
Intel 225 so 2.5Gbit
what keyboard do you have?
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B099XD2466
Any other cheap options for newer xenon cpus?
Which newer Xeon CPUs specifically ?
Will the 2 CPUs work with regular desktop RAM models or do I need to use ECC RAM?
I've wanted to build one of these dual cpu systems but its an absolute living hell trying to find a case that fits an ETX motherboard.
Fractul Focus you have to notch the back of the drive bracket with a Dremel to clear the power cable or just remove the drive bay by drilling a couple rivets if you have no use for optical drives
From what their spec page says, it "should" do quad channel memory on each CPU, too bad you couldn't fit all 8 sticks in.
thanks for this... next server can be cost effective
the lable means, (i know it without knowing chinese language) you have to place the RAM in a special Configuration, depending you use one or two CPUs! greetings
did you use 2 cpu power cable or just one ?
I have a 2699A V4 and was considering doing a 2 socket build. Would you mind running some games and seeing the performance with both processors running and then also post results with 1 of them disabled? I'm curious if the 2nd processor would help or hurt gaming performance.
Do you already struggle to game with the low clock speeds of the 2699A V4? Not many games work with a dual CPU setup unfortunately.
@-_-DatDude not at all, I just like the idea of having an oddball build.
@@zebular Same dude. My current Xeon build is Asus x99-e(got extremely lucky), 1650v4, 32GB ram(Quad Channel) and RTX 3060(12 GB).
I've been contemplating upgrading to a 2699 V4 but I am scared that my emulation gaming will suffer due to the lower clock speed. The 7th and 8th gen emulation can be a nightmare in that regard.
@-_-DatDude yeah, I'm hoping in the future devs target more cores. Be interesting to see these stay relevant for longer.
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Would the BKHD C612 NP on AliExpress and Alibaba work well as a Nas system. I have looked at it yet am unsure if it is the best pick. Your videos are wonderful and very helpful.
Hi, can you use it for gaming?
What power supply do you need and what RAM do you recommend installing?
can you link the pieces you have installed
You can absolutely use it for gaming, just put a good GPU and some good CPU in it and it should do fine.
You don't have to use exactly my components, for RAM I think any 2400 DDR4 RAM should work, but I'm using this
www.amazon.com/dp/B078V19STQ
As for power supply, I'm using Corsair SF750
i heard they also make dual lga 3647
That Chinese warning on RAM slots is about be carefull when installing motherboard in ATX case. Usual location of mounting nuts for a traditional width motherboard will interferre with RAM pins of this MB. So you should remove that nuts before installing motherboard
Those spacers that came in the box, and you didn't use, should raise CPU cooler(s) high enough that they don't interfere with the RAM sticks (whether they'll work with your particular coolers is another thing).
I saw in your BIOS there was a PCI Express menu item - was lane bifiurcation under there perhaps?
Note with these CPUs a heatsink that is larger - and further from the CPU - using 4 heat pipes is recommended - and this make adding the extra memory cards much easier.
Under WIndows 10 Pro - programs need to add about 10 lines of code to ensure work spawned reflects NUMA node affinity correctly (and many miss this) else one you go above 64 logical processors - work only gets spawned to the logical processors of one NUMA pool where the spawning processor resided - so one CPU gets flogged and one sits idle. Meaning to throw work to all processors on a badly coded program you have to turn off hyper threading to half your logical processor count to get below the 64 logical processor limit built into Windows 10 before special coded is needed!
I didn't even knew these existed
nice vid...i have main pc with chinese motheboard with cpu e5 2666v4 ...its actually a great deal man.
Hey does it support quad channel memory configuration?
Yes it does, as long as your cooler is not in the way of memory sticks and you can populate all slots, it does support quad channel
@@TechnicallyUnsure thanks!! excellent review by the way
They said in a normal case there is a standoff there and you need to remove it before installing the motherboard
Also some time back i risked it an got a cheap "X79" dual socket 2011 board. Worked well as yours here did.
But from the beginning, I was suspicious about the tiny heatsink on the "X79", not even getting warm really. Turns out they used a B75 chip. Chinese ingenuity beats intel's restrictions!
I did a build to sell with an X99-PR9-H and 1650v3 and somehow they used a QM57 1st gen mobile chipset, lol. It has a ton of USB 2.0 channels which I am sure they are using for the NVMe slot somehow. The X79 board I have had for awhile has a C602 chipset, which is an actual workstation chipset for LGA-2011 but it still had to be hacked to support NVMe. They never use an actual X-whatever chipset.
Board make and model? If you get an "X79" board with very few memory slots it's on you lmao
I can't read chinese but I'm 99% sure the sticker is telling you to remove the standoff behind that spot (that normally has a screw hole there on ATX mobos)
Do their board have x16 pcie bifurcation run correctly ?
We can build a budget all nvme storage server if populate all those x16 slot with 4/4/4/4 nvme carrier 😂
The warning is to remind you if the case or rig have copper standoff please remove them before install the board, proably the board have one or more mounting hole was not open like most motherboard , remove the extra copper standoff to prevent shortcircuit/ damage
I walked through the BIOS, unfortunately, I couldn't find the Bifurcation settings.
I have HUANANZHI X99 F8 e5-2696v3 128GB Ecc 2400DDR4 + RX6900xt 2x1TB WD Black SN770 m.2 , 6x1TB WD blue SSD SATA 2x6TB WD Black HDD SATA . For video editing(FHD) ang gameing sometimes, all equipment not bat for me. The performance is good and the price of all devices is not too expensive
Can it run Crysis?.....
Absolutely
Can you try intel-undervolt program under linux. Had those G6400 at -50mv on core and cache, power consumption reduce almost halved.
Seems there is Pci Bifurcation in chipset option "IIO" somewhere like that i'm not sure. I use the little brother the F8D and i use a 4 ports pcie nvme adapter with pci bifurcation 4x4x4x4x
IMO X99 is just too old by now. Haswell and Broadwell are bogged down by microcode and OS fixes for all the sidechannel attacks found. Getting a used B350/450 or B550 (if you need PCIe 4) board with a used Ryzen 3950X or 5950X if you're lucky to find one for cheap is a much better deal IMO.
How many PCIe lanes does a 5950X have?
I guess you can afford it, but not my ideal move to use a brand new 4TB NVMe SSD on a potential deathtrap motherboard to test the motherboard.
And a RTX 4070. Ouch!
And you keep adding more things before you even test if it works. You are more brave than I am.
Hi Mate^^,
I got the same Motherboard in a Testserver, the Windows Updater downloads the wrong Netzwerk Drivers, you need to check what Chip is on your board and load the matching Drivers from the Chipmanufacterers side, I had a Intel Chipset, can't remember wich one~
The Realtech Drivers work, but are the wrong Drivers~
The Board is rather limmited in its Gameabilitys; because once the Data has to be handled by both CPUs (happens mostly when you have More Gamedata loaded than can fit in one RAM module) it becomes extremely laggy, latency and stuff between the CPUs ~
I Tryed my luck with the TPM module and thought it might be a ASUS TPM but the Mainboard just angrily beeped at me absurdly fast and wouldn't even POST~
Thanks for letting me know, I have had issues with wrong network drivers as well, not with this particular motherboard, but with some other, you are right, it's better to always download official driver from official website.
in my country it is only $90 for ddr4 and $70 for ddr3. while the single processor is half of that. i suggest buying E5-2680 v4 (used) for $20 (in my country), with a budget of less than $200 you can build a 28 core processor pc.
the column means the stand offs (probably)
can you game on this mb ?
You should try modifying the BIOS. On this motherboard, you can easily unlock a few options that might improve performance :)
Quirky board; cute!
Is it possible to patch the bios for pcie bifurcation?
Should be, there are many users active on reddit and github fixing and modifying BIOS images for X99 motherboards.
@TechnicallyUnsure i saw in reddit that bifurcation is available for this board and is in the 3rd tab under intel rc setup > iio configuration. Can you please confirm if you still have the setup up & running?
@@sharik_rahat Yep! That was it, it was there, thanks for pointing it out.
@@sharik_rahat You're a hero thanks man ❣
Also, I wonder if a i7-5860X would work on this.
It would, but used Core series for X99 tend to be overpriced, and if you're looking to game, you should just get a modern platform.
@@kingeling I wouldn't get a new one. I already have an i7-5960X (sorry for the typo in my original post), but the motherboard decided to stop recognizing any GPU so that PC is doing nothing.
No, only E5 2xxx Vx cpus
@@glubrix Thank you.
@@glubrix They just reuse Intel firmware, I'm not sure why they wouldn't support it? It's also Haswell-E
I don't think it is for "CPU #1 and CPU #2" in that case they would be numbered as #0 and #1, but if you are using one or two CPUs. I maybe be wrong. They can be use with only one CPU, another guess.
You have Xeons like the change in your pocket.
go buy a used HP Z840 for the same price barebones and get the case, psu, more mem slots, and better support....theyre rock solid too....this does look compelling but the platform is too old or me to want to invest in new parts for it personally, but the Z840,hell yea, they're amazing little workstations
cooler looks small for a 150watt cpu. also why was power consumption only 300 watts in stress test, looks like CPU is not being used fully.
Cooler was doing fine, temps never reached above 65. As for 300 watts, that was happening in Windows, but in Linux with stress-ng it reached 400W each time I ran the test
I have this in homelab, its fun to experiment on, but doesn’t support bifurcation. For anything prod, use Supermicro or similar. It is Chinese and it’s made from recycled server boards and parts, don’t make this a dependency in your environment.
DOES IT IT HAVE VIRTUALATION IN BIOS
Yes and it's enabled by default
They're talking about the standoff
Curious if anyone managed to get a windows 7 install working with this motherboard? For an ancient processor, I am currently using on a single processor Asus Motherboard, I am using windoze7 and it works fine, but when I jump to the eatx MS wants Win10. I will never use Win10, so if it will not work, I am stuck using single CPU.
Win7 would work fine on this board
@TechnicallyUnsure thank you so much for responding. I'll be buying this board soon then. I have a workstation case that can support eatx which I always wanted to run a dual 2011 socket in.
doom eternal with vulkan to really see those cores run in a game if you were interested. can work with multi gpu if forced.
Frankly for the price it does under cut everyone else. But funny how it more pci slots then many 200$+ gamer boards and also a segment display for post codes that only 500$+ motherboards have. Current main stream motherboard manufactures have lost the plot.
disable hyper threading and run csgo 2 and lets see the 0.1% lows :D
Should replace the powerhouse in your title to powerhog.
Done!
@TechnicallyUnsure Good man.
Does INTEL now have to use 2 CPUs to keep up with AMD :)
It'll probably end up like this, with the crap INTEL makes
For me in the Netherlands these are €152,66 which is a horrible deal, for not much more i will have a Z690 board from an actual brand with actual guarantee.
Chinese tech just surprises me.
👏👏👏👌
something my grandpa always used to say "cheap costs way more in the long run" he was not wrong
I would have twisted the heatsink/fan wires to keep them tidy but you do you, boo.
you need better fan cooler to this cpus, are the hottest cpus
less than 2 weeks mosfet always buirning had to repalce with a higher voltage and current to run a bit coller , it hope it last, dont run this with with a extreme memory speed and dont over clocked it not recommended in my experince
15:25 I'm the realest.
the Chinese know our big weakness "Big shiny thing", i mean look at the performance per watt' a zen 3700x will eat it for is breakfast at a 3rd of the power and price.. good vid tho bud very entertaining, thanks.
Motherboard market needs to go back to boards with color schemes instead of the rgb rainbow vomit look.
That was a horrendous amount of thermal paste!! 🤣
Im from mexico i use dual xeon E5 2697v3 with 64 ram ddr4 2133mhz, aliexpress is good haha, so ( i use this with RX 6650XT and Powesuplly 1250w platinul balam rush) cpu z 12080 point lmaooo
I would use better cpu coolers tbh.
Have any good recommendations ?
@@TechnicallyUnsure Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 Mini / Peerless Assassin 120