The most important nugget of information for me was learning that you can map between different channels! I've been using Live for a few years now and I didn't know that was possible. Thanks!
Great video! Couple o things: - You can simply route the audio output to Sends only so you won't have to mute the channel. - You can shorten a loop to 3 beats (or 3/8) to make really interesting grooves.
Playing around w using envelope modulation on other effects like a filter or reverb can create really nice effects as well, you can also get into crazier sounds by using this on certain fx parameters like delay time or pitch shifting
This is a very thorough video, and I appreciate the efforts of anyone who goes this deep in an attempt to teach others the skills that they have developed. I have one additional suggestion; perhaps you can go into more detail about the concept of an envelope. Defining what an envelope follower is by using the word "envelope" is a little bit circular. Many people are completely unfamiliar with this term and what it refers to in a concrete sense. A picture or two of ADSR curves and how the levels correspond to what's happening with the pad might be helpful. Really good video in any event. Thanks for doing it.
i liked that loop u called boring on its own!!!, thought it had a nice clean contrast-- i dunno, lol --with just a hint of that grain delay, cool possibilities $$ dope video!
Haha yeah listening back to it I think you’re right. But it’s something I’d never put into in a song as it is because who knows if 237 other artists have used that loop without changing it in any meaningful way. The envelope follower has definitely helped with making it sound more original.
Thank you so so much again!! Just inhaling all your Tipps and tricks and try to make something in my own :)) Could imagine to create a complete track only using standard Live sounds and instruments once using a Push 2 and making a full arrangement starting “boring” with e.g only a kick and step by step bringing all elements in and also step by step using the envelopes and developments of the sounds?
Great video production quality for bein a relatively new / unknown channel. Keep up the great work! Grüße aus Deutschland, wohl einer der am schwersten zu versteckenden Akzenzte :P
Excellent video! Reminded me I'm severely underutilizing my Elektron Analog Heat as a sound design tool. Looking forward to what you have next, bell on.
Cool tips! I wish it was possible to add the envelope follower to the track you're modulating, and then providing a track which it would follow. Kind of similar to how sidechain compression works for example.
there's also a great use of this if you want to sidechain your bass from your kick, applying this with 0-50% parameters on your kick, to duck down your overlapping bass frequencies it's a good use of env follower
Hey Philip, Even though techno is not my music, this was an inspiring tutorial. I will try it out the next time. I would find it exciting to manipulate not only the gain, but also other parameters. I would have liked to see in the video what else you do with it. Have a great day!
Great tutorial (again 😂) ! Just subscribed to your channel and I feel in my guts it's going to grow like crazy - your vids are extremely smart, informative and well-produced (while avoiding the trap of being overproduced) - anyways I'm an instant fan. Thank you for spending time and effort to share your knowledge with us! Greetings from Poland 🙏❤️😘
The problem with digital envelope following is, that there's always going to be a processing delay, you probably won't be able to get good transients with it - be sure to offset the delay of the channel a few ms...
I didn't run into deep issues with that but I can imagine this also depends on the exact signal (and what you want to do with it). Thanks for the great contribution with your comment, very cool!
... and I use Ableton only for recording my guitar riffs, vocals and doing some little programming. Dunno how I can utilise this in my genere, but let's see. As someone already said, well explained!
Great video, I'm excited to experiment with this to make my percussion loops more lively and unique! This is kind a long shot, but would you be willing to share the name of the sample pack you used for the kick! I've been looking for round kicks with a tail just like the one you used :)
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Audeze LCD-X Creators Edition. They beat speakers in mid four figures range easily. You can professionally mix and master from wherever you are (I’ve done major label work while traveling with my family through Italy last summer).
Interesting! Is it possible to have the env. follower reverse the signal? I.e. instead of it raising the gain in the utility it reduces the gain in accordance with the envelope?
Great question! I think you’d have to dig into the M4L device and change something but I’ve never thought of that use case yet. Might try something out and let you know then ;)
Thinking about that again… wouldn’t this be possible simply with a compressor that’s sidechained to that signal? It would read the envelope and reduce gain accordingly.
@pickyourselfofficial yes, absolutely. Maybe the other method might give a subtle difference though, or give access to doing something else as part of the chain? Dunno, kinda thinking out loud!
@pickyourselfofficial especially in conjunction with the other controls in the EF. For example you can't, I don't think, delay a standard side-chained compression. Can you?
I view the gain on the envelope follower simply as “how strong do I want the modulation signal to be” and then map this to whatever parameter I find useful. Gain is the easiest and most obvious one but there’s much more you can do with it. The use case you’re describing would indeed be more suitable for a normal compressor with sidechain enabled.
@@pickyourselfofficial Ah nice! They look really great, similar to the panels you can buy from HOFA. I also built my own panels but to my left and right I have some HOFA curtains which work well.
i got a quick question. When i do gain staging, for some rason i still get my piano distorted, tried putting the DB on Vumt Delux, below -9 DB before every plugin.. Am i supposed to use the gain staging tool to lower the gain, or like a utility like in ableton? why is it distorting still? thanks so much
Okay it's pretty hard to diagnose this from the description. My recommendation is to create a blank session, load up the piano, and add one plugin after another (like you did in your original session) with the same settings until you figure out which one causes the distortion. You then have to go into the settings of the plugin and dial back whatever parameter is causing it to distort. The OTHER possibility is that all of your channels mixed together cause some plugins on your master channel to distort (or the output of the master channel goes above 0dBFs. Third possibility: If you're in FL Studio, there's this strange limiter automatically engaged on the master channel. So a lot of producers don't notice that this limiter is working way too hard (=distorting like crazy).
The piano is my main instrument when recording. Most of the time I get piano distortion even with balancing is down to gain bumps in reverbs and overcrunched comp. Brilliant advice above. It may take time and even feel. laborious but sometimes we have to get our hands dirty and be forensic.
Always felt ising it I had a small delay reaction and was not that practical, just by recording the outcome and then manually put tge recording on sync
It’s just a different tool in the arsenal. I’d say this sounds (to me) a bit smoother and let’s me fine tune it in a straightforward way. That being said, I also love using gates as groove generators as well. It’s even on my list for future videos ;)
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The most important nugget of information for me was learning that you can map between different channels! I've been using Live for a few years now and I didn't know that was possible. Thanks!
Ahhh nice, that’s great to hear!
Great video! Couple o things:
- You can simply route the audio output to Sends only so you won't have to mute the channel.
- You can shorten a loop to 3 beats (or 3/8) to make really interesting grooves.
Playing around w using envelope modulation on other effects like a filter or reverb can create really nice effects as well, you can also get into crazier sounds by using this on certain fx parameters like delay time or pitch shifting
So true! Love that as well.
Make a video on wonky sound production for dubstep if if you can that would be awesome thanks
Would love to see a follow up video doing these techniques, @pickyourselfofficial
This is a very thorough video, and I appreciate the efforts of anyone who goes this deep in an attempt to teach others the skills that they have developed. I have one additional suggestion; perhaps you can go into more detail about the concept of an envelope. Defining what an envelope follower is by using the word "envelope" is a little bit circular. Many people are completely unfamiliar with this term and what it refers to in a concrete sense. A picture or two of ADSR curves and how the levels correspond to what's happening with the pad might be helpful.
Really good video in any event. Thanks for doing it.
Great input, thanks for sharing! Improving my teaching and presentation skills with every single video is one of my core goals 💯🙌🏻
Great tutorial, I’ve been using Ableton since 2008 and still find new concepts to learn. Thanks a lot!
Great to hear!
Like……enough to sell my MPC Live and Maschine Plus.Because dont have enough time to use all and gotta fully learn Ableton.Good video )
Haha, nice one! Yep, in the end that’s probably a clever decision.
hi did you learn it fully ?
Great video! Haven't used the Enveloper Follower much, but will be doing now :)
Thanks a lot, let me know how it goes!
This is a great channel mate. You explain things well.
Man, that means a lot, I truly appreciate your comment!
I agree. Subscribed.
I watch lotus sometimes too! I would love to see a video of channels you generally recommend that have high quality knowledge like yourself ❤
That’s a fantastic idea! I put it on my content list immediately :)
i liked that loop u called boring on its own!!!, thought it had a nice clean contrast-- i dunno, lol --with just a hint of that grain delay, cool possibilities $$ dope video!
Haha yeah listening back to it I think you’re right. But it’s something I’d never put into in a song as it is because who knows if 237 other artists have used that loop without changing it in any meaningful way. The envelope follower has definitely helped with making it sound more original.
Thank you so so much again!! Just inhaling all your Tipps and tricks and try to make something in my own :))
Could imagine to create a complete track only using standard Live sounds and instruments once using a Push 2 and making a full arrangement starting “boring” with e.g only a kick and step by step bringing all elements in and also step by step using the envelopes and developments of the sounds?
This is a fantastic tip, and very well explained/presented. Subscribed!
This means a lot to me, thank you!
Great video production quality for bein a relatively new / unknown channel. Keep up the great work!
Grüße aus Deutschland, wohl einer der am schwersten zu versteckenden Akzenzte :P
Haha, wie Recht du hast! Thanks for the great feedback!
Excellent video! Reminded me I'm severely underutilizing my Elektron Analog Heat as a sound design tool. Looking forward to what you have next, bell on.
Thanks a million! This means a lot. Already got four new videos in the pipeline :)
Ive only ever used it on gain of a eq as a dymanic eq on a bass sidekicked to a kick. there are easier ways to do such things but it helps
I loved these tips! really well explained, thank you!
You're so welcome! :)
Cool tips! I wish it was possible to add the envelope follower to the track you're modulating, and then providing a track which it would follow. Kind of similar to how sidechain compression works for example.
That would be cool! Send it to Ableton ;)
You could probably edit the envelope follower to do that, its a M4L device after all
It's actually already possible to modulate track X using the envelope follower on track Y, unless I misunderstand what you are trying to achieve!
there's also a great use of this if you want to sidechain your bass from your kick, applying this with 0-50% parameters on your kick, to duck down your overlapping bass frequencies it's a good use of env follower
Yeah, absolutely!
Fantastic video! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks a million!
Liked and subbed! Glad this popped up when i searched underrated stock Ableton effects.
Great!!! Didn't even know this existed? Looking forward to messing around with this
Have fun! 💯
This is so cool! Thanks for sharing this technique. I can see myself in an Ableton wormhole tonight. LOL
Very cool reminds me of a hit song groove.
Happy to hear that :)
Hey Philip,
Even though techno is not my music, this was an inspiring tutorial. I will try it out the next time.
I would find it exciting to manipulate not only the gain, but also other parameters. I would have liked to see in the video what else you do with it.
Have a great day!
Thanks so much for the feedback! Yeah, I might even do a follow-up video showing some other cool modulation possibilitites.
Great tutorial (again 😂) ! Just subscribed to your channel and I feel in my guts it's going to grow like crazy - your vids are extremely smart, informative and well-produced (while avoiding the trap of being overproduced) - anyways I'm an instant fan. Thank you for spending time and effort to share your knowledge with us! Greetings from Poland 🙏❤️😘
Your comment really made my day, thanks so much 🖤💯
Thank you! But what's the difference between this and a side chain compressor?
Awesome! Thank you for showing how to use this in such detail! Very inspiring
My pleasure!
This is so much fun. I always had issues with leads. I also just dug up the PaulX stretch plugin for pad making, and this could be a fun combo
Absolutely! 💯
Great video, what I think can be helpful for next time is to put some timestamps for jumping between the different examples
Good idea! I’ll definitely start implementing that. 💯🙌🏻
Like an old school noise gate key. Cool.
The problem with digital envelope following is, that there's always going to be a processing delay, you probably won't be able to get good transients with it - be sure to offset the delay of the channel a few ms...
I didn't run into deep issues with that but I can imagine this also depends on the exact signal (and what you want to do with it). Thanks for the great contribution with your comment, very cool!
just use the gate tool and side chain it to any audio source. way cleaner sounding.
Nice one. I'm gonna go figure out how to do this in Bitwig.
Oh yeah, Bitwig is super powerful!
Super helpful and indeed easy to implement. I find it even more groovy than using the vocoder on a drum loop.
Fantastic! So happy to hear that it inspires you :) and I totally agree on the groovyness.
Great tutorial, thank you. +1 follower 👍
I really appreciate it, thanks!
Been sleeping on this one, thanks homie!
Glad it was helpful! 🙌🏻💯
Thank you for sharing! I'll definitely look into the rest of your content as I really enjoyed this video and your way of doint it!
That means a lot, thank you!
really nice, i will try it on my next never finished track :)
Yeah. Go for it! 💯 Happy you got something out of it!
... and I use Ableton only for recording my guitar riffs, vocals and doing some little programming. Dunno how I can utilise this in my genere, but let's see. As someone already said, well explained!
Thanks so much! 🤘🏻
This was very eye opening, thank you man!
Hi do you have a short tutorial for Bitwig's envelope follower too? Can this be done on Bitwig? thanks
Thank you, sir! Will try today!
Hope you enjoy! :)
great tips!
Glad you got something out of this!
Oh it’s GREAT lesson. Thank you!
So happy to hear that it’s helped you!
Great video, I'm excited to experiment with this to make my percussion loops more lively and unique! This is kind a long shot, but would you be willing to share the name of the sample pack you used for the kick! I've been looking for round kicks with a tail just like the one you used :)
Useful tips ! Gonna try them out 🔥
Nice, glad you got something out of it!
Very organic feel to it, excellent video.
Thanks so much, I really appreciate it!
I use this to duck sub from bass, great wee tool!
Good to hear!
Beautiful sounds! Keep up the good content !
Thanks mate, this means a lot coming from you
Wow that's anazing. I had no idea it existed. Thanks
very cool! thanks~
Glad you like it! 🙌🏻
Good stuff keep em coming
Thanks, will do! 💯
THAS SO SO COOL THANK YOU SO MUCH I FIND IT VERY INTRESTING, NOW THAT IM STARTING WITH ABLETON I FIND MY SELF LITTLE BIT LOST WITH SLL THE FX AND COMPONENTS IT HAS, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW A QUICK REVIEW OR GUIDE FOR IT
I’ll note it :)
Good one i think this will help me to make my type of music atmospheric dream state electro 🎉
Nice, so great to hear that!
Great channel my friend, really helpful!
Glad to hear that!
Love this, thank you!!
You are so welcome!
Hello, thanks for your videos. Can you share what headphones ur using.
Audeze LCD-X Creators Edition. They beat speakers in mid four figures range easily. You can professionally mix and master from wherever you are (I’ve done major label work while traveling with my family through Italy last summer).
Very cool! Thanks for sharing this tip!
Thanks for watching! Glad you got something out of it :)
damn good tutorial . thx :)
Thank you 💯
Would this work with Abletons ‘cv tools’ ???
Great style, great tutorial. Keep it up!
I really appreciate you writing this, it means a lot!
thank you! might try this later
Glad it was helpful!
whaaaat!? yes!!!
🙏🏻
great stuff!
Interesting! Is it possible to have the env. follower reverse the signal? I.e. instead of it raising the gain in the utility it reduces the gain in accordance with the envelope?
Great question! I think you’d have to dig into the M4L device and change something but I’ve never thought of that use case yet. Might try something out and let you know then ;)
Thinking about that again… wouldn’t this be possible simply with a compressor that’s sidechained to that signal? It would read the envelope and reduce gain accordingly.
@pickyourselfofficial yes, absolutely. Maybe the other method might give a subtle difference though, or give access to doing something else as part of the chain? Dunno, kinda thinking out loud!
@pickyourselfofficial especially in conjunction with the other controls in the EF. For example you can't, I don't think, delay a standard side-chained compression. Can you?
Excellent video.
That's interesting. Thank you
Helpful tips
Cool, I hope to test it soon🎉
Let me know how it goes!
Does anyone know if you could do this with logic?
Personally I don’t know but I hope some logic people will jump in and help you.
Cheers for the shoutout. Love your content :)
Man, you’re crushing it! Your success is well-deserved and it’s only the beginning. I’ll hit you up via email, we should say hello in person :)
Cracking video this
Amazing video, congrats!!
Thank you!!
epic - subbed
Much appreciated; thanks! 💯
Nice video, thanks.
You’re welcome, thanks!
I was expecting to see you set the envelope follower gain to negative - this would have been more like sidechain/ducking, right?
I view the gain on the envelope follower simply as “how strong do I want the modulation signal to be” and then map this to whatever parameter I find useful. Gain is the easiest and most obvious one but there’s much more you can do with it.
The use case you’re describing would indeed be more suitable for a normal compressor with sidechain enabled.
Awesome tip! Followed!
Thanks, that means a lot! 🙌🏻
fantastic tips- thanks!
Awesome, glad you got some value here!
Love this! great vid.
Glad you enjoyed it! 💯
im instant fan love it good job
That’s awesome, thanks for that! 💯🙌🏻
Sorry if you’ve already covered this, but is it possible to invert the envelope follower to come in in silent sections instead of when there is input?
Not sure if I understand correctly but have you tried to turn the gain to negative?
It seems a bit limited and samey on most sounds. I's be good if you could duck the volume with it. Is that possible?
Not sure if I understand the question correctly, sorry. Isn’t ducking the volume exactly what is happening here?
Are there any VSTs that do this?
I haven’t yet found a good solution. Might be possible to do something like this with Reaktor, I imagine. But haven’t checked yet.
cool video bro
Thanks mate!
Are those HOFA panels? And LCD-X's? I am going to sub for those alone, lol.
Haha nice! Yes, LCD-X. The diffusors are Vicoustic, the broadband bass traps are custom-built by myself (the typical rockwool approach).
@@pickyourselfofficial Ah nice! They look really great, similar to the panels you can buy from HOFA. I also built my own panels but to my left and right I have some HOFA curtains which work well.
Nice video Mr.Röder :)
Haha cheers mate, nice to see you here 🤘🏻💯😅
i got a quick question. When i do gain staging, for some rason i still get my piano distorted, tried putting the DB on Vumt Delux, below -9 DB before every plugin.. Am i supposed to use the gain staging tool to lower the gain, or like a utility like in ableton?
why is it distorting still?
thanks so much
Okay it's pretty hard to diagnose this from the description. My recommendation is to create a blank session, load up the piano, and add one plugin after another (like you did in your original session) with the same settings until you figure out which one causes the distortion. You then have to go into the settings of the plugin and dial back whatever parameter is causing it to distort. The OTHER possibility is that all of your channels mixed together cause some plugins on your master channel to distort (or the output of the master channel goes above 0dBFs. Third possibility: If you're in FL Studio, there's this strange limiter automatically engaged on the master channel. So a lot of producers don't notice that this limiter is working way too hard (=distorting like crazy).
@@pickyourselfofficialthis guy cares.
🙌@@adtoes
The piano is my main instrument when recording. Most of the time I get piano distortion even with balancing is down to gain bumps in reverbs and overcrunched comp.
Brilliant advice above. It may take time and even feel. laborious but sometimes we have to get our hands dirty and be forensic.
@@tonycowin good points! Thanks for contributing :)
Great stuff.
Thanks, I truly appreciate it!
Very nice content !
Thanks so much, I’m happy it resonates.
Is there a third party equivalent to the envelope follower? I know Saturn 2 has an envelope follower but it doesn't have enough control...
Unfortunately I haven’t found anything yet with the same ease of use. If you find something please let me know!
Great tutorial
Thank you! Cheers! 💯🙌🏻
Just double checking, this is not available in Live 10, right?
Should be in 10 as well. But I think only in the Suite version since it requires max for live.
Would be cool to use on a filter
Absolutely, that’s one of my favorite use cases!
nice explanation thanks!
Glad it was helpful! You’re from Berlin as well?
Yeap we are a Berlin based label, nice to meet ya @@pickyourselfofficial
@@pickyourselfofficial Yeap, as stated in our name. We are an independent record label from Neukolln :)
good stuff
Thanks, glad you’re getting value from it! 🙌🏻
Always felt ising it I had a small delay reaction and was not that practical, just by recording the outcome and then manually put tge recording on sync
Ah, that’s obviously a clever workflow. I must admit that I haven’t run into any noticeable delay so far.
sounds sick man.
Thanks so much, I really appreciate it! 💯🙌🏻
they used this on astrid
Why do this instead of side-chaining a reverse gate?
It’s just a different tool in the arsenal. I’d say this sounds (to me) a bit smoother and let’s me fine tune it in a straightforward way. That being said, I also love using gates as groove generators as well. It’s even on my list for future videos ;)
@@pickyourselfofficial I'll have to give your method a shot. It does seem to open more creative options.