Amanda Knox: What most likely happened
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- Amanda Knox: What most likely happened
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16 years for murdering someone is another injustice in this case. Meredith got no justice.
Not just murder, sexual assault as well. And if the police weren't so inept, and if Mignini wasn't so focused on going after Amanda that he ignored the obvious, Guede should have also been convicted of breaking and entering and probably kidnapping as well. Meredith and her family got some small measure of justice, but not nearly enough. But what I think is worse, is that Mignini misled the family as he tried to fabricate a case against Amanda and Raffaele. As a result, a family in grief was strung along for five years with nothing but doubts and uncertainty. Had they prosecuted Guede as the lone killer, and for ALL of the crimes he committed that night, he'd still be in jail and the family would have no doubts. Very sad.
She got no justice becouse of American media, here is a professor of law at Harvard University with tons of PhD saying she is guilty as hell, BTW not Italian.
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@@Doge811 Dershowitz knew very little of this case, and his comments show this. First, he lists five things;
1. She falsely accused someone of committing the crime
2. She created a false alibi
3. She first admitted she was at the scene of the crime
4. The found forensically that multiple people committed the murder
5. The person who was convicted of the murder said she did it
#1 is nullified by the fact that she made this accusation during a coercive interrogation which violated her rights, as ruled by both the ISC and the ECHR.
#2 is simply wrong. Amanda and Raffaele gave the police an alibi and that was never proven to be false.
#3 is also wrong as she had always maintained she was at Raffaele's all night. The only time this changed was during the aforementioned interrogation.
#4 is also wrong. Seven forensic pathologists testified about the injuries, and six of them concluded the injuries were consistent or compatible with a lone assailant. Further, the only forensic traces found in Meredith's bedroom was Guede and Meredith.
#5 is pointless. How unusual for a convicted killer to try to blame someone else. To bad Dershowitz didn't mention Guede first claimed Amanda wasn't there and had nothing to do with the crime. Further, even the family that adopted Guede (and who later threw him out of the house) called him a chronic liar, so it's not clear to me why Dershowitz would even mention this. It is not evidence.. not in the least.
Meredith and her family didn't receive the justice they deserved because Mignini was so focused on prosecuting Amanda and Raffaele that he let Guede essentially plead to a lesser crime, claiming he had no role in the murder. The prosecution had a slam dunk case against Guede. They should not have granted him a fast-track trial, which automatically gave him a 1/3 reduction in his sentence, and then they started letting him out during the day after what, 14 years?
Dershowitz and other talking heads who know they command a bully pulpit should really withhold comment unless and until they get fully educated about a case. All his comments did was further contaminate public opinion, and he should have known better.
In South Africa, if a black guy murders a white person - no prision sentence, it gets celebrated.
I’m from the Netherlands. Here you only have to 6years. When you impulsive murder someone. But often they give “tbs” its psychological sentences. They can prolong it as many times as they want.
Life sentence. Is almost never given. Bc here you only need one life sentence. That means they keep you until you die.
So sad how the victim was completely forgotten because of how sensationalized the case became 😢
The world we live in. Typically young pretty pale/light folks that get murdered are covered nonstop; while there is far more severe and dastardly crimes committed daily. Way to go mass media on making sure a great divide stays wide and active
What do you mean? How many murder victims get this kind of attention? The tragedy is the combination of Italian police idiocy and UK media insanity a murder victim, who was resting in peace, was also added with 2 innocent people who were made to suffer a lose of years.
Nobody forgot about the victim. The person who committed the murder is behind bars. The police tried to put two innocent people in prison. Sorry if that gets in the way.
@@smashthebug4723 the killer has been free for 1.5 years now
@@BobHookerlolz nah, Amanda and RS were let off on murder and Guede was released far too early. The forensic evidence speaks for itself. Amanda and RS were absolutely involved. And now it’s all about Amanda and her making millions off her brutally murdering her so called friend. Unless you have a comprehensive understanding of psychopaths you can’t understand this case. She did it.
It still bothers me that Amanda blamed her boss and came up with that story that she heard him there.
She lies.
If you have never been in the position of being interrogated ... you can't possibly know what you would say or not say. Especially at her age . Yeah she may have lied but she was trying to give them anything because they were pushing that hard .. so she gave them what they wanted. Remember opinions are like assholes .. everyone has them JMO
@@milankatz9628 I think you're right. Lying is an option for her. So when the interrogation became intense, she lied.
I was happy to learn that she did have to at least pay the $60,000. I still suspect she was at least involved in the murder and she got away with that, but at least she had to pay for throwing an innocent man under the bus.
@@shannonholland9383 She was a 20 year old woman who deliberately set out to destroy a man's life. Stop making excuses for her, she is wicked.
Bottom Line: No matter where you are in this world, try to stay away from questionable people. Be sure you have pedigrees on the locals with whom you interact.
That's not bigotry or racism - just common sense, and it also applies to those among the human populace who have lighter skin.
In a foreign country you must put yourself first!
And just how are you to know who is "questionable'? How do you get pedigrees on the locals with whom you interact" ?
@@mytrip6991 Gut instinct. I grew up in the hood and I can normally tell by how people act. It's not 100%, but it's a decent compass of sorts.
@@baller84milw There is an erroneous belief by a lot of people that Knox had some kind of relationship with Guede which is false. They claim he was her drug dealer, for which there is zero evidence, or that they socialized which is also false.
The amount of ignorance most 'guilters' reveal is incredible yet they are so firm in their opinions of her guilt.
@@mytrip6991 Well, if they deal drugs and burgle places, that's a red flag for most people. If they don't work but somehow get large sums of cash from time to time, have a car that's nicer than the people who do work, won't tell you their past, go by an assumed name, hang out with suspicious folks, show low impulse control, have little respect for others, have no life goals... this is not rocket science; people have known this for centuries and it's why we survived until now.
@@SirKenchalot That's all true...if you know they do these things. But none of those apply to this case so I don't know why it was been brought up in the first place.
Why on earth is Rudy, the murderer, out?
That dosent make any sense, read it
@@jamesdeluca6657
Thanks
I blame Apple dictation or maybe it was just me.
Why are the other 2 out?
@@MJW238
Because only Rudy murdered someone
The other two had nothing to do with it
The one thing that surprised me was having just learned from the recent scrutiny is that I hadn't from casual exposure had the faintest idea that this great love affair between Amanda and Harry Potter had only been going on for a week or so. That hadn't been my previous impression. Also, that they got together for a little trip down memory lane when she visited Italy with her husband after it had all been settled in her favor. WTF?
Guede should have rotten in prison
He was able to use the insanity of the prosecution and the bias against Americans, with a sub-text of racial victimization to get off virtually with no punishment.
@@aurora.andromeda5687 why? There was not a piece of evidence linking her to the murder. She served years in jail for nothing. She cannot help she is an American, at that time Americans were not very popular in much of Europe and this frustration with Bush landed on her.
As should have the other 2
Worst part is homeboy only got 16 years for slitting a young womans throat.
In the States he would have gotten the death penalty.
Yeah, he should get extra credit for doing it with simultaneous ambidexterity.
@@Capcoor
His poop in the toilet (no flushing) did him in🤮
@@milankatz9628 Oh-he fled to Germany afterwards. They caught him by having one of his friends give him a Skype call. In the course of said call he said, and I quote, “Amanda had nothing to do with it.”
@@Capcoor
I always believe the words of a convicted murderer🙄
In most cases the victims are always forgotten about, the focus and fame are always on the criminals.
Not in this case. The killer is unknown and was quietly able to leave prison after server a sentence not even fit for rape. The victims were the murder victim, Knox and her boyfriend. The killer was able to get off easily and is forgotten.
@@BobHooker The press certainly focused on Knox and Sollecito was background noise only interesting in his relationship to Knox. Sollecito couldn't sell stories, but the tabloids certainly knew a cash cow when they saw her!
This is simply not true, but frequently claimed
@@johnrowell3583 do you live on a different planet, cause yes it's always about the criminal than the victims, look at all the shows and how everyone loves hearing about killers, there's nothing ever about the victims, get yr facts right.
@@cindyrussell1581 No, I live in Italy where they never stopped talking about the sad fate of Meredith Kercher
They did a similar thing in the UK, when two nuns were murdered, and it turned out the boy who did it was the son of Iraqi immigrants. They had to shift public scrutiny away from the boy, so they sensationalized two English cops for taking a selfie at the crime scene.
Not surprising.
People look like that have no reason to live. I’m sorry, and that sounds horrible… but how could someone purposefully twist a story like that??? Knowing damn well it would affect millions of people???
It’s absolutely insanity, they’re just monsters hiding in the flesh of a human.
That story would not do.
France does it on a daily basis. Muslims kill Christians and are heroes because of it
So you think cops taking selfies at murder scenes is fine or not a big deal?
I still don't know who did what. I can't imagine any scenario involving Knox. But I also can't believe Knox is innocent. That may be because she's so unlikable.
She is unlikeable isn't she? I have a hard time getting past that. However, I still suspect she was involved. Her footprint, the conflicting stories about where she was that night, something is fishy. Least of all, her behavior is just odd. Of course, you can't convict on odd behavior, but it is something to consider.
This is where I am: if she didn't do it (and I don't think she did), she knows who did. And was probably there when it occurred.
@@hayleylongster4698 I agree that she had to have been there and knows more than she is telling. However, I see no evidence that exonerates her.
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the only one i didn't like was the jfk but love the channel i'll agree to disagree
Social Media was new, the older generation had to get used to the fact that strange facts about people are public in Social Media.
No they aren't they haven't researched this case properly at all, sorry.
No they use the same unrelated to the story forest images and wall map in every video which is weird.
@@corpusvile1 Exactly. It's more of the same funded BS.
Bullshit. Knox may not have committed the murder but, she was CLEARLY more involved in it that she would ever admit.
I agree mate - I hope one day the truth surfaces regarding the involvement A. Knox played in M. Kercher's demise.
*My heart goes out to the Kercher family.
If she was so CLEARLY involved, then what evidence do you have for it?
@jokesonyou1373 I'm curious, have you ever been 20 and walking cloud nine over the person you're dating? Because that is where both Amanda and Raffaele were at that night.
So play this out.... your at his/her house and you both have obligations for the evening. Then, as if by magic, both of you are informed you are no longer needed. What are you going to do.... get high and make love or head to your cottage to attack your housemate and friend? I mean, there is zero motive. It makes zero sense. And truthfully, I believe the evidence is very clear that Meredith was attacked shortly after arriving home at 21:00 and Raffaele's IT experts proved he downloaded and then launched a Naruto cartoon at 21:26. Couple that with Guede sexually assaulting Meredith and him being the only person other than Meredith to leave a forensic trace of himself in her bedroom and I think it becomes very clear Amanda and Raffaele had nothing to do with the crime.
And besides, exactly what role can you see her playing if she wasn't the murderer? Remember, neither Amanda or Raffaele even knew Guede (I don't consider "hi, nice to meet you" and knowing someone) so why would they allow her to be attacked and then not even call police? Seriously, none of it makes sense. Guede alone killed Meredith. That is what's clear.
@@TheTruthCalls Sadly, lack of logic plays almost as big a part as ignorance of the facts for the colpevolisti in this case.
@@mytrip6991 Sad, but true. What I don't understand is the willingness to write mean things about people when they don't know the facts. It will be interesting to hear what jokesonyou1373 thinks her role was, and why, though if I had to bet, there will be no response.
U have to f*cking kidding me. What a miscarriage of justice and tragedy for the victims family.
First of a premise note: the Bruno/Marasca verdict is contradictory. It is illogical to the point of being grotesque. We may see the long trail of inconsistencies later on. Now we shall note as a premise that its inconsistency is glaring on macroscopic points
What I can do is note those things are that stated clearly as proven facts - and we shall distinguish between those findings pointed out as certain in the ruling, and what instead is considered not proven or not in the ruling.
One proven thing, called “incontrovertible” by the ruling, is that Meredith was physically killed by more than one person, while someone was holding her tight. It says that this is not because of the previous Guede verdict, but because there “multiple evidences” of this that emerged also in the Knox-Sollecito trials. On pp. 25-26 explains that it would be impossible for a single person to commit the murder, because of the mechanical action needed.
So it is absolutely proven that Meredith was NOT raped and killed by Rudy Guede, but instead she was raped and killed by multiple perpetrators.
Think about this and absorb this information.
Then, also:
It calls the purported burglary a “staging” and points out that even thinking about a burglary would be illogical because of the peculiar dynamics of the murder;
it also says Amanda Knox washed her hands of Meredith’s blood, and calls this an “eloquent proof”.
(you may concede that Amanda Knox with Meredith’s blood on her hands is a particularly disturbing image to find in a verdict).
On the other hand, the ruling does NOT say something like "Amanda Knox was not involved in the killing". And does not utter the word “impossible” at all. Quite the contrary: instead, the verdict recalls para 530.2, concludes that it is only not proven beyond a standard of reasonable doubt that Knox took “active part to the killing action”. (implication: but she might well have)
Note: let’s repeat this, it does not say "she didn’t", neither calls this option “impossible”, even remotely. Quite on the contrary, it points out (p.49) that there are in fact only two options: either she took an active part to the killing, or she only tried to cancel the evidence subsequently in order to cover up a murderer. The ruling does not present a third option. There is no "innocent" option presented.
Obviously, one might notice, the Supreme Court assessment that the proof of an “active participation” is “resisted” by the lack of DNA findings in the murder room, is clearly contradictory with the finding at pp.25-26 that the participation of multiple perpetrators is “incontrovertible”. Besides the detail that the Supreme Court cannot assess evidence and does not have access to evidence, this is just one of the glaring contradictions in the verdict.
Another contradiction is with the trial papers: the assumption that a lack of DNA finding of a female subject (with no detectable Y-chromosome) in a context where the traces from another female profile is very abundant would be significant, is an assumption that contradicts the findings of the preliminary hearing (testimony of Stefanoni of Oct. 2008). Stefanoni did explain in fact that if small traces DNA of another female were present, they would not be detectable on Meredith’s body nor on items where the presence of her DNA is massive (because of statistical effects due to the amplification process).
Another few notes:
The ruling does not say that Amanda’s presence in the cottage was “acclaimed” in the trial. The ruling says that her presence is a PROVEN FACT in the trial (albeit the English doctored translation published by the pro-Knox camp alters and falsifies the content in many passages).
It calls her presence “certain” also in one other passage, it points out clearly that it is talking about the moment when Meredith was killed, that Knox even heard her scream, that she was aware of details of the murder before the police knew them, and that she knew Lumumba was innocent because she was there.
As an Italian, I am still saddened and shocked by the whole thing. Sadly, Italian jurors cannot be isolated from the outside, as trials last many years, which is outrageous. Btw, for years we were fed the narrative of the "orgy turned bad" as if it were a fact. I could only listen to Mignini while watching the Netflix documentary and I was shocked: he was claiming Knox had freaked out when she saw the knife because she was remembering Kercher's screams! Also, she had quickly kissed Sollecito's lips while waiting outside the crime scene because she supposedly had a perverted mind. I was ashamed. The one thing that looked like a proof was that she had accused Lumumba, but who knows: the Italian police didn't even know the exact meaning of "see you later", I myself was taught in school it basically meant "see you in a few hours", like the Italian equivalent "ci vediamo più tardi". However, I wish it were an all-Italian problem, but I've seen so many cases of derailed justice all over the world, I even found out in Argentina they have a name for the typical scapegoat: "el perejil", parsley, since they're just added to the mix as you add parsley on a dish.
It was a witch trial with an older generation who did not understand that people were posting strange stuff on the Internet.
Prosecutors and cops with tunnel vision are a universal problem. While the Italian justice system deserves no praise here, its failure is common to pretty much any justice system
Aside from the prosecution's pursuit of Knox and Sollecito, the real insult in this case is that Rudy Guede got a mere 16 years for a brutal murder.
It’s because she’s a hot white girl, that’s why everything went down the way it did. Sadly she got more attention than the actual victim lol
Perejil doesnt mean scapegoat, it means dumb and gullable.
I love your channel, really great and fresh idea in contrast to the typical true crime channels
Terrible tv programme, it NEVER mentioned Meredith Kercher was good at karate, she had virtually zero defence wounds & thus, more than one person was involved-fact. Amanda's dna was on the same knife with the victims. Her Italian boyfriends dna was on the victims bra strap, dna is only transferred via a person being there to do it, it doesn't have wings. Read the Book Death in Perugia
The press was complicit….it had to be the American….cause African refugees wouldn’t do such a thing on purpose.
@@aimaradiaz1840
Why?
What??????????
@@milankatz9628 I am being sarcastic.
@@debbie9929 sarcasm.
@@aimaradiaz1840 ok
Let me guess. the Magnini guy still has a job and is still wrongly prosecuting people today. Society seems to have given up on rationality these days. Or maybe that’s just normal human nature?
The Supreme Court of Italy has annulled Knox's calunnia conviction and ordered a new trial. It was ruled in 2008 that the statements Knox signed on Nov. 6 during the interrogation were not admissible in the defamation case but only in the murder case against her. Without those statements, it's likely the conviction will be annulled. If the calunnia conviction is annulled, the fine awarded to Lumumba will also be annulled. THIS is why Knox's lawyers advised her NOT to pay the fine awarded to Lumumba until all legal avenues had been exhausted.
Bullshit... The Supreme Court of Italy has never annulled the Amanda Knox's Calunnia conviction, she is a liar...
I keep thinking of that Scottish mum saying 'Fucken Disgusteng '
The video claims glass matching the broken window was found in Guede's shoe. This is 100% incorrect. Guede threw his shoes out in a dumpster somewhere in Germany and they were never found. His shoes could be matched to the bloody shoeprints because a box for Nike Outbreak 2 shoes was found in his apartment. He also admitted he was wearing those shoes the night of the murder.
The arrest warrant claims that Sollecito's Nike Air Force One's shoes 'matched perfectly' the bloody shoe prints. This was 100% disproved and the prosecution was forced to admit this. It was Raffaele's father and uncle who proved his Nike's did not match the bloody shoe prints. It's an example of the incompetence of the Perugia police investigation.
The video also says Guede served his 16 year sentence. In actuality, he served 13 of his 16 year sentence being released without conditions in Nov. 2021.
Other than what I've pointed out, the video is accurate.
Your comments lead one to believe you are a Lawyer, Law Student or a person who advocates for justice for wrongly convicted persons or are connected somehow to the case, as a friend and so on.
@@captaininspector8898 None of the above. I'm just someone who was fascinated by the case so educated myself about it by studying the court records. Besides learning about the case, I've also learned that most people who post comments on the case actually know very little about it apart from what they've read in tabloids or on youtube videos...most of which are chock full of misinformation.
The Netflix doc made Knox seem more guilty. I can’t remember the specific points now but I may have to go and rewatch.
Please do and get back to us.
Yeah you'd better rewatch
it actually convinced me of her innocence.
@@Darkmode9 The Actual Killer Is Rudy Guede , He Acted Alone
It actually points to her innocence.
That prosecutor, Magnini, is the same guy who botched the “Il Mostro” serial killer case with the same ridiculous theorizing. The Monster of Florence was a serial killer who terrorized Italy for decades, I believe. There are good books about it. Magnini was basically “failed up” to his jurisdiction in Perugia. SMH
Yeah, aka the "Peter Principle."
Mignini never worked on the MOF case as his jurisdiction is Perugia, not Florence. He also prosecuted Guede and he ceased all involvement with Knox after her trial conviction. Her conviction was upheld on appeal by a different prosecutor.
Here is a professor of law at Harvard University saying she was guilty as hell and American media lied to people:
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Terrible tv programme, it NEVER mentioned Meredith Kercher was good at karate, she had virtually zero defence wounds & thus, more than one person was involved-fact. Amanda's dna was on the same knife with the victims. Her Italian boyfriends dna was on the victims bra strap, dna is only transferred via a person being there to do it, it doesn't have wings. Read the Book Death in Perugia
Read the book by American author Douglass Preston called “The Monster of Florence”. Also read Candace Dempsey’s “Murder in Italy” for a deeper dive into prosecution’s conjured up fantasy used as motive to prosecute Amanda Knox. In Preston’s book he uses the end of the book to connect the dots to the similar theory used by the same prosecutor in both cases. Preston writes about being threatened and intimidated by the prosecution in the “Monster” case because his book didn’t agree with the prosecution’s theory. He was threatened with arrest as a suspect because of his book and had to leave Italy for fear of arrest. There’s a great 48Hrs interview of Preston regarding his experience with the Italian “Justice” system.
I believe that Guede did it and your documentary is well produced. But you should have also mentioned how Knox's Idiotic behavior, showing little remorse over Meridith's death and changing her story multiple times as well as framing her boss made her look all the more guilty. In reality Knox was nothing more than an extremely immature rich girl and that was her biggest downfall, she was not guilty of this terrible crime.
Guede was arrested under the condition that he committed the crime with 2 others...specifically Amanda and Raffaele. It is clear that meredith was pinned down and pulled back by the bruises on her arms and simultaneously stabbed in various directions. What is Rudy's motive to stab a woman 43 times? He barely knew her.
Amanda is a strange lady but I don’t think she did it and there’s no evidence. You can’t convict someone for being weird.
Evidently you CAN and they did! Twice!
Her weirdness cannot be dismissed.
A lot of Seattle chicks are icy and weird, they’d be weird if they weren’t.
Her weirdness? What about y'all's weirdness. Don't let anything like the facts get in the way of your short cut to thinking.
@@milankatz9628Dude, if being weird makes you a murderer I guess I'm a murderer 🤷
Knox's new trial for the annulled defamation conviction will begin April 10.
The question is why she said invented that in the interrogation, if you are innocent you don't lie. I don't know if one day we will know the truth of this murder.
@@guillee112 She didn't invent it at all which those familiar with the facts of the case know. Knox didn't bring up Lumumba's name at all during the interrogation. The interrogator took her phone, scrolled through it, and found a message to "Patrik". She misinterpreted Knox's message to him.
Lumumba had texted her not to come to work that night but to come on her next scheduled night. She replied "Sure. See you later. Good night." The interrogator testified in court that she thought this was Knox confirming a meeting with Lumumba later that night and asked who 'Patrik' was so Knox told her. From that moment on, the interrogators believed Knox had met Patrick that night and taken him to the cottage. When she denied it, they told her she was lying and the interpreter suggested to Knox that she just didn't remember it because she had traumatic amnesia.
@@mytrip6991 If that were so, he would not have a defamation trial now. Knox’s accusation against Lumumba appeared in statements typed by police that she signed.
She recanted the accusation in a four-page handwritten note in English penned the following afternoon. It is clear that Lulumba had nothing to do with it, but Guedes, that has been proven. But I think Amanda had something to do with it. NDA in the knife and her laugh in the trial are for me two things to keep in mind.
@@guillee112 I suggest you read the testimony of Rita Ficarra, the interrogator and the testimony of Anna Donnino, the translator. It's all right there.
Yes, she signed the statements written by the police in Italian. And yes, she recanted them in writing within hours. As the ECHR said, "The Court therefore had to apply very strict scrutiny in assessing the fairness of the proceedings. It found as follows:"
"Secondly, only a few hours after the interviews in question, Ms Knox had promptly RETRACTED HER STATMEMENTS, IN PARTICULAR BY A TEXT THAT SHE HAD WRITTEN ON 6 NOVEMBER 2007 AT ABOUT 1 P.M. AND HANDED TO THE POLICE, BY ANOTHER TEXT WRITTEN ON 9 NOVEMBER 2007 FOR HER LAWYERS AND IN A TELEPHONE CALL TO HER MOTHER ON 10 NOVEMBER 2007 WHEN HER LINE WS BEING TAPPED. In spite of all that, six months later, on 14 May 2008, Ms Knox was charged with making a malicious accusation."
"Consequently, the Court held that the Italian Government had not succeeded in showing that the restriction of Ms Knox’s access to a lawyer, at the police interview of 6 November 2007 at 5.45 a.m., had not irreparably undermined the fairness of the proceedings as a whole. Article 6 §§ 1 and 3 (c) of the Convention had thus been breached."
You wrote: But I think Amanda had something to do with it. NDA in the knife and her laugh in the trial are for me two things to keep in mind."
Her DNA was found on a knife she used to cook with. Do you think DNA is only left during the commission of a crime? YOUR DNA would be found on your cutlery, too.
What 'laugh"? A laugh at an accusation she found preposterous? A nervous laugh?
So, the theory is that it was a sort of hangout or date gone wrong?
How ridiculous was this investigation
One of the most ridiculous of all time
The press were only interested in how 'foxy' Knox was. The victim didn't matter to them.
That's why you shouldn't have religious people be cops, judges, politicians. They are easily swayed by feelings and don't understand the concept of solid evidence.
The most ridiculous thing is that americans want to put Snowden and Assange in prison while accusing the Italian law of being rigged like it is Iraq or something.
Here is a professor of law at Harvard University saying she was guilty and American media lied to people.
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How much do you know about how jurors are picked in Italy. It makes way more sense than the way they are in America! I trust their system more than I trust ours.
How about you explain it to us....
To be fair, very little about the USA and its systems makes sense.
What is this background pic at 7:14 ?? It turns up in many true crime videos. It has nothing to do with the crime at hand. Credibility.
It could just be a random picture. No big deal.
Yes that, and the forest leaves and the wall map are in all their videos, it makes no sense.
I’ve thought long and hard about this case. Knox, has nothing to do with it but has played the notoriety game to pick up bucks. Sadly, it all comes together very simply if you look at the case this way. It was not only the Italian judicial system that proved strained and over whelmed but the Italian security services. Guede, after visiting Sierra Leone, a Muslim country, at the time with a civil war, had seemingly, perhaps become radicalised. Do you know that a Muslim can, officially, acceptably lie to a non believer?.There’s an interview with Guede and an Italian woman on RUclips after Guedes release from prison.Guede behaves like a meek little lamb……obviously well enacted and set up for him to come over this way. I’d go so far as to say he’s a danger as he has been radicalised and could be a ‘sleeper’. I’m afraid Italy has been over whelmed with migrants, mostly Muslim, and I just don’t understand how this will all add up. Don’t get me wrong I’m not anti Muslim but there’s a different mindset with these people. Meredith’s brutal slaying lands firmly at the door of those who agree to let these people into Europe and who do not fully accept that the Muslim code of conduct differs from other religions. Rest in peace Meredith……you were caught in a situation that was a picture too big for even the national services.
Nonsense. Guede was raised Catholic since his birth in Cote d'Ivoire and raised since the age of six in Italy, a Catholic country. He never mentions going to Sierra Leone in his book. He is not Muslim, much less a 'radicalized' Muslim.
"...but has played the notoriety game to pick up bucks." Nothing personal, but this is an incredibly stupid comment. Amanda lost four years of her life sitting in a prison for a crime she did not commit. She has been persecuted by the media which led to countless personal attacks, which continues to this day, by those who swallow without question whatever the media promotes. Amanda had nothing to do with this crime but paid an incredible personal price for being accused of it.
""...but has played the notoriety game to pick up bucks."
Yeah... it's worth it to her getting death threats against her and her children r in order to "pick up bucks".
>sarcasm
I live in Europe and i can tell you this girl was suspect before the media got involved...she and her boyfriend had established questionable notoriety as a couple before Merediths murder...not to mention that their curiosity with morbid subject matter (Murder being one) was exposed beyond her social media platform. It was no secret amongst classmates, mutual acquaintances and general town folk that her and Meredith did not get along. She falsely accused an innocent man of committing the crime before being caught in a lie that she made that accusation after being interrogated. She and he Bo' accused Mr Lumumba before they became suspects at all...not saying I know who did what. But she did not find her self in this situation out on a whim. She contributed to her being suspect, dragged into a media frenzy and jail...if she is innocent her actions did enough damage for the real killer to get some consideration of reasonable doubt...RIP Meredith
@@DadiMawanda And yet another baseless, false claims by someone who most likely won't come back and defend these comments.
Of course she was suspect before the media got involved. Mignini and Giobbi have admitted they suspected her from the beginning. However, the basis for this suspicion is in itself, suspicious. According to Giobbi, it was based on Raffaele giving Amanda a consoling kiss while still at the cottage. It's about how Amanda said "tada" as she put her booties on before entering the crime scene, and it's about how Amanda and Raffaele went out to eat a pizza. But to be sure, there was NO EVIDENCE that connected either of them to the crime.
Exactly what "questionable notoriety as a couple" did they establish? You do realize they were a couple for exactly six days, right, and that they spent the majority of those six days in the privacy of Raffaele's apartment, right? So perhaps you could clarify exactly what questionable notoriety they establish? As they is a blatant lie, I don't expect a response, but I still have to ask. And while you're at it, how about you explain exactly how you determined they had a curiosity with morbid subjects, including murder. Again, I am not expecting a response because I find people like you just post hateful nonsense and never return, unless it's to copy/paste their nonsense on another board.
There was also NO evidence that Amanda and Meredith didn't get along. In fact, those who knew and lived with them testified that they had a normal, good relationship. This is further confirmed by the fact that they continued to do things together, right up to the week before Meredith's murder, attending a classical music concert together. Not exactly something two people who didn't get along would do. But perhaps you can cite your evidence to support this claim? Note that I am not holding my breath...
Amanda was not caught in any lies, and she implicated Lumumba because she was coerced into doing so. But since the interrogation which resulted in her implicating Lumumba was deemed to have violated her rights and has since been deemed inadmissible, this point is irrelevant.
The reality of the situation is Amanda and Raffaele did nothing to bring this about on themselves. Mignini and the investigators rushed to judgement and arrested them when they had absolutely NO EVIDENCE of their involvement. The media attacks began almost immediately, and as has been shown countless times, most of what the media published early on was false, fed to the media by Mignini and the investigators and embellished by the media. You would be wise to learn the facts of the case and not simply parrot what some pro-guilt obsessive nut says.
Terrible, it NEVER mentioned Meredith Kercher was good at karate, she had virtually zero defence wounds & thus, more than one person was involved-fact
What does being good at karate and defensive wounds have to do with anything? They had sex, she was vulnerable and he slit her throat which obviously to her was unexpected. Not to mention his DNA was the only DNA found in terms of the crime scene. Look at the facts instead of making up your own fantasy
They never mentioned she was 'good at karate' because she wasn't: she had beginner's orange belt. If you think a woman surprised by an athletic man with a knife is necessarily going to have defense wounds, then think again. She could have been incapacitated before she ever had a chance to fight back or even threatened with death if she resisted. If more than one person was involved, then where is their DNA on her body, clothing or in her room? Where are their fingerprints? Where are their bloody shoeprints? Only one person left all those: Rudy Guede.
This is at least the third time you've repeated this ignorant and false claim in this comment section. Repeating falsehoods over and over does not make them magically become correct.
It was clear that Rudy surprised Meredith when she arrived home early. He was going to steal items and thinking he had more time, went and used the restroom. However, that’s when Meredith arrived unexpectedly and that’s why the toilet wasn’t flushed.
yeah maybe Mandie shouldn't have been doing handstands at the police station...
So hand stands now are punished by 4 years in prison?
certainly not the brightest move, whilst being questioned about your flatmates brutal murder - in a foreign country known for dodgy stitch-ups, but hey, FAAFO by all means...
I guess cartwheels was getting old so now it's handstands. For the record, it was a split and it was because a cop asked her to show him how flexible she was.
She didn't. But don't let that get in the way of your bizarre fantasy.
@@TheTruthCalls No that's according to Knox, a proven liar and convicted criminal slanderer, so isn't a reliable source for explaining her Jodie Arias style behaviour.
Why does the murdered girls family still believe that Knox had something to do with it?
When families are told who killed their loved ones by the police and prosecutors, they almost universally believe them (unless it's another loved one accused). They need to know who to blame and see the defense and accused as the liars. It's very difficult for families to accept that those they've come to hate aren't guilty.
@@mytrip6991 Also, if they admit Knox's innocence that means they've been a part of wasting 8 years of two young people's lives, one of which was friends with their murdered daughter. It also means that the real killer walked free at least 10 years before he should have been released. He's already been accused of sexual violence against another girl, so the family would have been partly to blame for that too. It's a lot easier to believe you're a good person chasing two killers than to admit to that, I think both Merediths parents have passed away now btw.
@@haraldeliasson3737 The Kercher family has never, to my knowledge, believed Guede's story. They believe he is guilty of Meredith's murder, but along with Amanda and Rafaelle.
The Kercher family is blameless in Guede's latest charges which occurred 6 months after his sentence parole ended.
Yes, both Meredith's parents have died. I know Arline is buried next to Meredith. I don't know where John is buried.
@@mytrip6991 doesn t make much sense to believe that both Guede and Amanda and Rafaelle are guilty both at the same time though.
@@saitamab.7296 I agree it doesn't make sense if you understand the evidence against Guede vs. the non-evidence against Knox and Sollecito. But if you believe the prosecution's claims, which many people who believe the misinformation spread by the pro-guilt do, then it makes sense to believe all 3 are guilty.
Sadly, some people refuse to re-evaluate their beliefs once formed despite evidence disproving them.
Why would the 2 get involved with a sex murder? 😂 Makes no damn sense. She only knew the guy for 5 days and her roommate for what like 3 weeks. Murder? Hell no. 😂
Does drug taking ring a bell?
Why did the postal police get involved (02:10)?
Meredith's two cell phones were found in the garden of a local family before the discovery of the murder. They took them to the postales as they handle telecommunication crimes, etc. who traced them to Filomena (the Italian phone she'd lent to Meredith) and to Meredith (the British phone she used to call home). They brought them to the cottage to return them.
Which makes me wonder,who threw them there?
I didn’t know the Rza was the killer
I have mixed feelings on this I think Amanda and her boyfriend Raphael did it or were in on it or no more than what they're saying in my opinion
Guede was waving that race card with all he had!
He sure was and gullible people fell for it.
@@mytrip6991 Did they find just Guede's DNA or something more? The former corroborates his account of limited consensual interaction. He used just his hand?
This doesn't sound like the action of a rapist.
Who set up the "date?" Who knew about it? Did Knox set it up?
Her initial confessions state she set things up for a black male to enter and have sex with the victim, only she used the name of her boss Patrik instead of Guede.
Say her name! Meredith Kircher!!
Might wanna spell it correctly if you’re gonna say it
Black man found, black man guilty.
He is found and he is guilty.
When are we going to stop being politically correct at the expense of truth and justice?
Guede should have been condenm to death penalty he didnt just sexual abuse and murder a young girl but also ruined the life of two young people its an absolute joke how little jail time he got , the fact that he also already out of jail and enjoying his life with a job in Viterbo his disgusting
Gee, I wonder why they went easy on him??
@@karnerblue7658 yeah me to i wonder why.....
@@JR47846 I'm going to assume these are honest comments. I know there are many who think he was a police informant who went to far and they could only protect him so far. I don't agree with that. I think what saved Guede was that Mignini was so focused on prosecuting Amanda and Raffaele that he was willing to allow Guede to claim he had nothing to do with it, that he came out of the bathroom to find her already dying. If he wasn't so arrogant and narcissistic, he could have admitted he erred in arresting them and then prosecuted Guede properly, seeking a life sentence, which in Italy, IIRC, would have been 30 years w/o the auto 1/3 reduction he got for the fast track trial. So I really blame Mignini for not only ruining the lives of two people (three if you include Lumumba) but for allowing Guede to sexually assault and murder a beautiful young lady and serve so little time. Shame on him!
@@karnerblue7658 Perhaps because he wasn't the killer?
@@TheTruthCalls Guede broke into a law office and used the copy machine there. Two of Amanda's roommates were apprentice lawyers. A lot of lawyers where Rudy went. Lana's bomb threat and search the night of the murder and where Meredith's stolen phones were found (because Amanda and Filomena were calling them) seals that the police tried to cover up for him. Guede probably used one of the phones to call someone who did not want to be connected.
Why isn’t the prosecutor in prison?
Probably cause of political power and corruption
Bro, I am Italian. The guy was promoted.
At the end of world war II Italy had been conquered by the U.S.
When a new government was set up by the allies to replace Mussolini. We should have created a seperate justice system for American's in Italy with a Jury of Americans.
Rudy seems to have friends in Perugia's Police and justice system. If he did this crime in Texas Rudy would have got the needle, but in Perugia his friends helped him out and Knox and Soecito did his time and he was out of prison while still a young man.
"We should have created a seperate justice system for American's in Italy with a Jury of Americans."
Nonsense. Do we try Italian nationals in the US with a separate Italian system for them? Or the French? Or Germans. A person is tried under the system of where the crime occurred not by their nationality.
The Italians should have thought of that BEFORE they lost the war. WE are the USA! They have to obey our orders.@@mytrip6991
What is a "schtudent"?
😤 Im so Angry that
only got 16 years he should of got the death penalty or 100 years in prison.
Amanda was an off beat personality who did not care what others thought and she was also a young person enjoying college life. Those of us who are not as obsessed with fitting in as other people sometimes draw the ire of others because of being free spirited. If you read the initial decision to pursue investigating Amanda it seems to center around her not acting like some authority figures thought she should act. Of course, we should be concerned about the person who died but we also should be concerned about justice because two wrongs don’t make aright. Clearly, Amanda Knox was innocent.
knox is guilty
@@spudspuddy Not according to the evidence, which I would bet you know very little about.
@@mytrip6991 no one cares what you imagine
When you think about it, that is precisely why she was arrested. After all, they had ZERO physical evidence - against anyone - at the time they were arrested, and Giobbi literally bragged about solving the case with nothing more than police intuition. Mignini, Giobbi, Stefanoni... they all should have done time for their part in this injustice.
@@spudspuddy That's what my instincts tell me also.
Well you got this one very very wrong
What did they get wrong specifically?
this analysis didnt take into account the 911 call from Knoxs boyfriend which upon analysing raised red flags.
What red flags? The only one I've ever heard claimed is that he said nothing was stolen...which at the time he made the call, it seemed nothing had been stolen as valuable items like a camera and laptop were sitting out in plain site.
It's 112. 911 is the US emergency number. The prosecution tried to make something of it, but it amounts to nothing. They claimed he called after the Postal Police arrived, but it was proven in court (Massei) that this was not true. They also tried to make something of Raffaele saying nothing was stolen, which in fact turned out to be wrong, but he only said that because Amanda told him that items of obvious value (computers, cameras, jewelry, etc.) was all out in plain sight. Learn the facts...
As said below about beauty being used, But beauty was always the honey to attract the swarm of gossip for good or ill.
Where did this come from??? Amanda Knox is far from beautiful. Sometimes I wonder who comes up with this stuff. It's like the POV of some isolated suburban clique, left in yesteryear! Given a choice between Amanda and Meredith, I'd pick the latter every time.
@@artstation707 you saying she's ugly?
@@dragdragon23 She's not ugly. She's what I would call plain. From what I've seen of her during that time, she had a decent a figure, but that's about it.
@@artstation707 to some guys, a nice bod is all a girl needs to be hot, LOL!
@@dragdragon23 Yeah, to some guys. Can you imagine falling asleep with a potential murderer in your bed right next to you?
I mistrust the investigators and prosecutor more than I mistrust Knox.
Damm. The intro gives it all away
any mention of the semen stain found under the body? have they ever bothered to test it, 16 years later.
Sollecito's defense requested it be tested, but the court, unbelievably, denied it.
@@mytrip6991 they said they had 'reason to assume it was her boyfriend's" lmfao
@@bevs9995 That's ridiculous as they couldn't know whose it was until tested. Even if it turned out to be Silenzi's, he had a 100% solid alibi for the night of the murder: he was out of town. Another reason the police forensic officer gave for not having tested it was that it couldn't be dated as to when it was left. But, according to Raffaele, they saw a shoe sole print left in the now dry stain which could only have been left if stepped on when the semen was still moist.
I highly doubt Meredith would have slept on a pillowcase with a big semen stain on it! There's a reason it was found on the pillowcase under her hips: it was left there by the rapist.
@@mytrip6991 so nasty. Italy investigates homicides like a 3rd world country
@@bevs9995 It's not unique to Italy. Tunnel vision and poor investigation by police happens in every country including first world countries which often lead to wrongful convictions. In Canada, a man was recently exonerated after 40 years in prison for a murder he didn't commit. Most of it was due to the police's immediate presumption they 'knew' who the murderer was without any evidence and focusing all their attention on him to the exclusion of anyone else.
Rudy and his lawyers should write a how-to book on how to avoid serving life without parole when you kill someone. Had Rudy not been arrested in Germany and got away, this murder would be a complete mystery. Nobody would have been arrested. But at the crime scene Rudy left behind his fingerprints in blood and a few pounds of his DNA in the toilet.
Thus there was only 1 thing Rudy could do, make a deal. He helped the proscutor by being a witness and ratting out 2 or 3 people who did the crime as a trio, for this he got 16 years when he deserved the death penalty. Amanda and Rafalle did Rudy's time for him.
Please stop spreading this misinformation. As you've been told repeatedly, there is no evidence of any 'deal' with the prosecutors. Guede availed himself of the right to a fast-track trial which automatically gives a 1/3rd reduction in sentence.
Nor did he "rat out 2 or 3 people who did the crime as a trio". I repeat for the umpteenth time: Guede has NEVER admitted to being part of the murder and declares his complete innocence to this day. He's lying and he'll never admit he killed Kercher.
There's enough REAL problems with the case so you don't need to keep spreading misinformation.
Guede was not convicted of murder but being an accessory to murder. Hence the 16 year sentence.
Not true. Under Italian law, accomplices are as guilty as the actual perpetrator.
In the original sentencing, Guede received 30 years while Knox received 26 years and Sollecito received 25 years. The reduction in sentence was due to his appeal in 2009 in which the court reduced it to 24 years which was then reduced to 16 years. The reason for this second reduction was that he had opted to take a 'fast track trial' (giudizio abbreviato) which eliminates a regular trial. A judge decides the case after hearing the evidence against the defendant. This is most often used by defendants who know the evidence is so strong against them that the chances of being acquitted are very low. As a reward for saving the court/state time and money, the sentence is then reduced by one third. The appeal court reduced his sentence from 30 to 24 years and further reduction of 1/3 resulted in a final sentence of 16 years, of which he served 13.
@@mytrip6991 I am confused. What was Rudy Guede convicted of??? The court documents say "accessory to murder". This implies there were others involved. What is your take on this?
@@terrygalanis705 Crickets.
@@terrygalanis705 Guede was convicted of sexual assault and murder "in conjunction with others". As explained above, he carries the same 'guilt' level legally. As It get complicated due to the timeline of trials and Italian law, but I'll try to make it understandable:
Nov. 2007: Guede, AK and RS were all arrested for the crime in November, 2007. (Guede was identified through his fingerprints in Kercher's blood).
Oct. 2008: Guede convicted for the fast track trial (explained above) separate from the regular trial that RS and AK chose. He is not accused or convicted of being the one who stabbed Kercher. Dujring this time, RS and AK are in prison.
The prosecution claims they have RS's DNA on MK"s bra hook she was wearing at the time of the murder and MK"s DNA on the knife blade they took from RS's kitchen. It has AK's DNA on the handle. They also claim RS's footprint is on the bathmat in blood and AK"s and MK"s "mixed DNA' (suggesting it is blood by referring to it as "luminol revealed") in the "break-in room" (Filomena Romanelli's room). They also claim there is a woman's shoe print in blood in MK's room that is the same size as AK wears. All this is claimed as proof of AK's and RS's involvement in the murder. AK and RS are also charged with staging a fake burglary in Filomena's room to make it look like a burglary gone wrong. They claim no one could have scaled the wall and entered the room through the window, the rock was thrown from the inside, and there was only glass on top of items on the floor showing the glass was broken after the room was rummaged through. The star witnesses for the prosecution are a heroin addicted vagrant named Antonio Curatolo who claims he saw AK and RS at a park overlooking the cottage on the night of the murder and a shop keeper, Marco Quintavalle, who claims he saw Knox outside his store the morning after the murder and that she possibly bought bleach. ALL of these were shown to be wrong later in Knox's and Sollecito's appeal trial.
Dec. 2009: AK and RS convicted of the murder, sexual violence (prosecution claimed they held MK down during assault by Guede), and staging the break-in. AK is convicted of calunnia for accusing her boss, Patrick Lumumba during her interrogation.
Dec. 2010: Guede's sentence is confirmed by the Giordano Supreme Court. This creates the permanent, unchallengeable "judicial facts" that there were multiple killers, that Guede did not wield the knife that killed MK , and that he did not steal anything (even though it was HIS DNA in blood on Kercher's purse).
No court, not even another Supreme Court, could claim that there were not multiple killers. All the final SC could do was state that, whoever these 'other' killers were, they were not Knox or Sollecito. the 'other killers' are still unknown. As no evidence of anyone other than Guede and Kercher was found in her bedroom or anywhere else, legally these 'others' remain 'unknown'.
@@screenname1 Don't think so.
Same narrator as Kings and Generals??
Amanda has filed a request for annulment of her calunnia (slander) conviction against Patrick Lumumba with the Court of Cassation (Supreme Court) in Italy. A new law allows for this when the ECHR has ruled that a conviction was 'unfair' due to a civil rights violation as they did in her case. They'll hear the case next month.
Amanda is hot, and im single and house broken
@@Augfordpdoggie You forgot to include "idiot".
She lost. Found guilty.
@@milankatz9628 She also was found guilty during the first murder trial. But she was definitively acquitted in 2015 on appeal.
She's appealing this verdict, too.
As an American I ABSOLUTELY believe that Amanda Knox had a huge part to play in Merideth Kercher's death.
Nah it’s just cuz she’s a hot white girl, that’s why everything went down the way it did. Sadly she got more attention than the actual victim lol
@@ElChuntyCabra In whose opinion in she hot? She has beady close together eyes and a wolf like look. She wants to be hot, and is somewhere on the periphery of that, hence the jealousy she had for Meredith, a naturally attractive young lady.
@@artstation707you’d smash, stop pretending.
@@floridaman5125 lol cant believe he's acting like he wouldn't smash
Thankyou
Totally agree XXX
Unbelievable. We are years out from this case, and there are still people on the internet, who apparently simply refuse to accept the obvious: that the person with a rap sheet, a history of having knives in his possession, petty crime and burglaries exactly matching the one here, mental health issues, and his DNA all over the scene and on the victim, and who fled to Germany making no effort alert the authorities to what was going, was in fact the killer. They still cling to all kinds tenuous rubbish that has long since been dismissed by actual credible experts because apparently they still want to believe some far-fetched rubbish about two college kids with no previous criminal history, suddenly deciding to take part in a three-way rape and murder for no plausible reason whatsoever.
It is unbelievable. It's amazing how people will cling to an opinion formed early on when much misinformation was being reported by the media despite the overwhelming evidence that one person, and one person only, attacked and killed Meredith Kercher. They would rather remain wrong than admit they are wrong.
I agree, it is unbelievable. However, you need to remember, there were people like Ganong, Quennell and Naseer, who invested thousands of hours and lots of money hosting websites with the sole purpose of making things up in an effort to convince people Amanda was involved. You can't blame people for being duped.
@@TheTruthCalls That's true. Some people will believe anything they read or hear on the internet without a shred of research.
Exactly, it's really just Occam's razor at some point. I also feel like they don't want to admit a black guy is guilty.
@@baller84milw I'm not sure it's so much that they don't want to admit a black guy is guilty as it is they prefer to use it as an excuse for why he was convicted instead of Amanda. You know.. the race card tactic. It can't be that all of the evidence points at Guede.. no, he was convicted because he's black and Amanda was acquitted because she's (choose your excuse) white, pretty, has money, had a government working for her, etc.
Black man guilty alright
A pus pe alcineva sa faca nu ia criminal platit cu multi Dolariiiiiii.
She acted like she knew something. It’s not enough to convict her but enough to question her complete innocence
Exactly how did she 'act like she knew something"? Unless you can give specific examples, then it's meaningless.
Terrible tv programme, it NEVER mentioned Meredith Kercher was good at karate, she had virtually zero defence wounds & thus, more than one person was involved-fact. Amanda's dna was on the same knife with the victims. Her Italian boyfriends dna was on the victims bra strap, dna is only transferred via a person being there to do it, it doesn't have wings. Read the Book Death in Perugia
@@tonywelsh3709
1. Meredith was not 'good at karate'. She held an orange belt which is a beginner's belt. That level belt is not at the level of being able to defend oneself, especially from someone with a knife.
2. Meredith had 3 cuts on her hands which were defense wounds or possibly from her hands coming up to her throat at the time the knife is being used. Defense wounds are found on someone who was able to fight back. Additionally, a woman who is being held at knife point and told if she she'll be killed if she resists may not fight back.
3. It is not a 'fact' that more than one person was involved. There was no evidence of anyone in that room besides Meredith and Guede.
4. Meredith's DNA was not on the knife as found by two independent, court appointed experts. They disagreed with the police expert's opinion which was based on flawed science.
5. "dna is only transferred via a person being there " is 100% false as proven many times over. I suggest you read up on DNA transfer.
6. Read the Conti- Vecchiotti Report, forensic studies on secondary DNA transfer, and any number of forensic experts' reviews on this case. Follain, whose book you suggested reading, is a journalist, not a scientist. He got more several things jus plain wrong.
A terrible stain on Italy.
If there only was video footage like of Jodi etc.
Agreed, and there should have been. But the police really don't like recording coercive interrogations, soo....
@@TheTruthCalls No coercion took place. I don't care about after the fact reports. Don't waste your time coming back with endless pages of excuses. I'll ignore it all. Amanda Knox is a thoughtless liar who engaged in a wreckless act, advised by lunatics, being ill-prepared for the immediate consequences. This whole case is completely ridiculous, especially the parts going through the "how to get away with murder" playbook motions.
A major element of this case was the wide spread disillusionment with America that existed in Europe at that time. It was so easy Italians and British people to believe insane things because their was an American girl with a MySpace page involved. The police and British media deployed all the prejudices against an innocent American, turning this into a racial case
GGGGGGGGGGGreat to hear from you. We live next to Italy and were here during the murder. The Italian police had and have no interest in blaming an American college student for a murder she didn't commit. To this day they believe she and her ex-boyfriend had a hand in the murder. It was Knox's room mate for crying out loud! The evidence is sufficient for large doubts to still hang over the case. The police get knocked for everything they do. Next door in France, a guy who could have been on a terrorist action, when pulled over by the police suddenly bolted in his car to get away. The cops fired and he was killed. It was only a 17 year old Algerian guy, and guess who is getting blamed for the 5 days of riots and billions of dollars in damages and lost lives? The Knox case is not closed for the Italians and once again, police go to work every day on a job where they meet the seediest of characters on a daily basis. After years on the job, you get a feeling for the criminal element that all of us will never know.
@@tekannon7803 " It was Knox's room mate for crying out loud! "
So? Do only roommates kill each other? She was also the roommate of two other women.
As far as the police getting knocked, you know who knocked them the most scathingly? The Italian Supreme Court. The Court also disagreed with you regarding there being evidence "sufficient for large doubts":
"The computers of Amanda Knox and Kercher, which might have been useful to the investigation, were, incredibly, burned by the careless actions of the investigators, causing a short circuit due probably to an erroneous power supply;
and they cannot give any more information, given that the damage is irreversible."
"An objectively wavering process, whose oscillations, however, are also the result of clamorous failures, or investigative “amnesia” and of culpable omissions of investigative activity. Had they been carried out these would, in all probability, have
led to a picture if not of certainty, at least of tranquil reliability pointing either towards guilt or innocence of today’s accused. Such a scenario, intrinsically contradictory, constitutes in itself already a first and eloquent signal of an investigation that was never capable of reaching a conclusion beyond any reasonable doubt."
Anyone who knows the actual facts of this case and not the tabloid nonsense and other misinformation so commonly believed and spread by the ignorant know the 2015 Supreme Court acquitted them for sound reasons.
Gimme a break, there's no such thing as an innocent american!
@@blueskythinking6674 For some people, that's true. Nationalism can be blindingly stupid.
😂😂😂😂 Sure.....
Here is a professor of law at Harvard University saying she was guilty as hell and American media lied to people.
m.ruclips.net/video/DknxdHr64wk/видео.html&pp=ygUWRGVyc2hvd2l0eiBBbWFuZGEga25veA%3D%3D
0:33 UNQUESTIONABLE physical evidence points to another! You said it all right there! These Italian cops thought they were in a real-life film noir, & just decided to point fingers at the only other person there, the roommate. They didn’t like her “American attitude,” they didn’t like how she spoke their language, but not perfectly, & they didn’t like that she wasn’t virginal! They were like “evidence, huh? Nah, we’ll get this rich American girl, force a confession & that’ll be it. He could kill? Who cares?” Seriously I think that was the whole conversation between cops. It’s so ridiculous that some ppl are still thinking that Knox had anything to do w/it! Just shows you the power these police had w/ the public & the justice system until REAL cops, P.I.’s & lawyers decided to show up & do the real investigating. I guess don’t commit crimes in Italy (or be near a crime) & ALWAYS GET A LAWYER from the get-go!! Knox asked for one, but they refused her every time-so in that case-STFU!!!
she could not even be bothered to flush her own turds, this was a deeply disturbed person who had no business being in another country -
They also had a ton of locals baying like it was a middle ages witch trial and Catholic superstation played a part
This woman got away with murder a) because she was an attractive girl b) because she was American and US authorities pressured Italy into releasing her. I am beyond appalled at this gross injustice. I was angry at the time and i remain angry now. Knox should still be in prison for her crime. Meanwhile she gets all the fame and kudos while the victim and her grieving family are left grieving and forgotten. Just plain disgusting.
There is no evidence supporting any of your claims. NONE. They are the 'go to' excuses for those who cannot accept the Supreme Court's decision which is based on the evidence...or non-evidence in this case.
Not that I'll get an answer as I never do:
How did Knox and Sollecito leave no evidence of themselves in a small room where Kercher was violently assaulted while Guede left his fingerprints, DNA, and shoeprints all in Kercher's blood? Were Knox and Sollecito levitating while wearing hazmat suits?
I agree
@@tjm8128 With whom?
How do you explain the dna evidence that proves Rudy did it?
@@neeneemarie Or the complete lack of evidence of anyone except Guede in Kercher's bedroom? Every time I ask that question, it's either ignored or the commenter disappears.
Perhaps Meredith did a Rendez-vous with Rafaelle at his place. His prints got on the clasp we he helped her remove her bra. The knife fell on the floor and Meredith stepped on it barefoot.
It was determined that Raffaele's DNA on the bra hook was due to contamination, likely from the egregious violations of anti-contamination protocols before and during the collection of the clasp or, less likely, in the lab.
An innocent person doesnt throw other inncocent people under the bus, she didnt even apologise for accussing Lumumba that should be red flag along with her narcassistic tendencies.
Both are false. Innocent people make false confessions all the time, including succumbing to police pressure to name others. That she didn't apologize to Lumumba is one of the most persistent myths of the case and he still claims it she never did. But the court transcript and contemporary media reports say she did apologize to him in court on Dec 11, 2010 and he was present when she did so:
“Patrick? I don’t see you. But I’m sorry. I’m sorry, because I didn’t want to wrong you. I was very naïve and not remotely courageous, because I should have been able to endure the pressure that pushed me to wrong you. I didn’t want to contribute to all that you suffered. You know what it means to have unjust accusations imposed on your skin. You didn’t deserve what you went through. I hope you’ll succeed in finding your peace.”
Lumumba's comment as reported in La Repubblica, "Amanda piange per Meredith"Raffaele e io siamo innocenti" on Dec. 11, 2010:
"I said from the first moment that I had forgiven her. I was very sorry", but hers is just "a defensive strategy", commented Lumumba. "I only know that you involved me - added the Congolese released from prison when Rudy Guede was arrested - and, at the right time, did not say anything to the judges. If she had said these things when we got out of solitary, I could have believed her. Now for me ..."
Lumumba has repeated the lie that she didn't apologize to him many times. But he knows she did because he was there. He's also repeated the lie that Knox was jealous of Kercher many times but in his sworn testimony in court he says the only thing he knew about the two girls' relationship was that they were friends. That's it.
@@mytrip6991 what would be his motive to lie about it??
@@sol2soul77 You'd have to ask him. But the facts are in the court transcripts and the media reports that Knox did apologize to him in court, he was there, and he commented on that apology. In hIs court testimony, under oath, he denies having any knowledge of the two girls' relationship except that they were friends. He also claimed he fired her in an interview he gave to the Daily Mail just after his release. That was also a lie. He never fired her as his text to her the night of the murder proves. He also ever claimed to have fired her in court under oath. Just the opposite, in fact. Read the court transcripts.
@@mytrip6991 hmm interesting my initial thoughts wa she is innocent but her demeanour is just strange and points she knows what happened she may nt have committed the crime
@@sol2soul77 Someone's demeanor as interpreted by anyone is highly subjective. What some see as 'canoodling' others see as being given comfort. What some see as being 'cold/unemotional' others see as being in shock or being overly cautious from learning that everything she says is being critiqued and analyzed. What some see as 'crocodile tears' others see as genuine emotion.
"Demeanor" means nothing when the evidence points to someone else as it did in this case.
I don't like Amanda. I have to say that in the end Italian Police incompetence worked in her favour. Her weird behaviour was all the focused on and apparently enough to convict her. For some reason, I still believe that she has a part in what happened. The way she casually brushes away her reaction or lack thereof at discovering the scene is mind-boggling to me and yet, people react differently and there exists no book to teach you proper behaviour at crime scenes. Her willingness to point to her boss as the actual perpetrator bugs me. This woman has what is called 'guilty knowledge'.
Amanda changed her alibi 10+ times. Terrible tv programme, it NEVER mentioned Meredith Kercher was good at karate, she had virtually zero defence wounds & thus, more than one person was involved-fact. Amanda's dna was on the same knife with the victims. Her Italian boyfriends dna was on the victims bra strap, dna is only transferred via a person being there to do it, it doesn't have wings. Read the Book Death in Perugia
@@tonywelsh3709 Knox did NOT change her story "10+ times. She changed it ONCE when she was coerced during the interrogation and recanted that twice in writing in less than 48 hours . Kercher had a BEGINNER'S orange belt. She couldn't have hurt a fly with that level belt. Kercher's
DNA was NOT on the knife as accepted by two courts including the last Supreme Court. Your statement about DNA only being transferred via a person being there is 100% unconditionally FALSE as anyone with even the most basic knowledge of forensics knows. Your claim proves you know nothing about DNA. Read a few forensic articles on Secondary DNA transfer and stop repeating your ignorance.
Came here looking for an insane comment like this. Hard to believe some people are this dumb. Congrats
I’m curious why you think Amanda had something to do with it? She had never been in trouble before, so why would she murder her roommate
@@SteveJones-gz3nd 😂😂😂
There are several statements made by this AI-generated voice with a semi-British accent, that are either new, patently false, or here-say, especially when 'allegedly' is placed in the statement as a predicate, adverb or adjective. For instance, only Guede himself claimed to have kissed Kercher on the dance floor at a local Disco. There were NO witnesses to that event ever occuring, nor was there an intimate relationship of any kind between Meredith Kercher and Rudy Guede. He participated in a violent sexual attack and murder, with other assailants, one being female. Meredith had instead dated the man living below, Silenzi. Someone who Amanda was interested in, but had rejected Amanda in favor of Meredith. That a piece of glass was found in Guede's shoe, or that it was somehow shown to be glass from the staged break-in, is totally new ('23) and I believe it to be patently false. The Knox PR Machine marches on, it seems. Escaping a 23 year sentence for homicide isn't enough for these Sadistic ghouls, apparently. They must continue to profit from the crime and rub it in the victim family's faces as well. This is Truly Evil Psychopathy, and it will be exposed. Their lies will not stand the test of time.
1. " He participated in a violent sexual attack and murder, with other assailants, one being female."
Where is the evidence of these "other assailants" and especially of "one being female"? NO evidence of anyone else was found in Kercher's bedroom.
2. " Someone who Amanda was interested in, but had rejected Amanda in favor of Meredith. "
There is no evidence of this at all. None. Silenzi never testified to having 'rejected' Amanda at all.
3. "That a piece of glass was found in Guede's shoe, or that it was somehow shown to be glass from the staged break-in, is totally new ('23) and I believe it to be patently false.
Since Guede's shoes were never found, this is false. But a shard of glass was, indeed, found in Kercher's bedroom as shown in the police video of Nov. 2 and presented to the court by Prof. Introna.
The rest of your post is just the rantings of someone not informed of the facts.
@@mytrip6991 It's established fact that Meredith was murdered by multiple attackers. There's Sollecito's dna in the room on the victim's bra clasp and the crime scene was the house not the room, all three left their dna at the crime scene, with Knox'as being mixed with Meredith's which can't be explained by Knox living there.
No, the burglary was staged and Introna was a defence expert whose argument wasn't accepted by the courts.
@@corpusvile1Still spreading lies, I see. No, it's not an 'established fact' that there were multiple attackers. It's a JUDICIAL FACT which is not the same thing. A judicial fact is a legal fact. In this case, one that was created with Guede's definitive conviction in 2010 and one which could not be overturned. The ACTUAL FACT is that the majority of experts who testified said the crime could have been committed by ONE assailant and even the medical experts said there was NO FORENSIC EVIDENCE OF MULTIPLE ATTACKERS. As Marasca-Bruno declared, it is impossible for an attacker to have participated in this attack and leave no evidence.
You also know damn well that the DNA on the bra clasp was found to be the result of contamination due to egregious and multiple violations of anti-contamination protocols by the police. The same sample contained the DNA of at least two other unidentified men.
AS for Knox's DNA being mixed with Kercher's, it is a blatant LIE that it cannot be explained by them living together. Not a single forensic expert agrees with your lie. Mixed DNA is a common occurrence and the DNA does not have to be left at the same time. I know you know that yet you keep repeating that lie.
The burglary was not staged but, like the JUDICIAL fact of multiple attackers, became unchallengeable in the same 2010 conviction of Guede.
The police based their claim on the rock coming from inside and glass only being on top of items. But the video recreations by expert Pasquali and the glass imbedded in the white shutter prove it came from outside and Filomena Romanelli testified she saw glass both above and below items.
Stop lying.
Yes, time will tell.
@@mytrip6991 A judicial fact is an established fact as it's established by the courts and I'm not interested in your word games.
No the "ACTUAL" fact is that every court established multiple attackers so the state's experts were more compelling than the defence ones.
Thanks for highlighting Marasca Bruno's flawed logic, lots of convicted killers left no dna at the crime scene, never mind a localized part of it like Meredith's bedroom.
No it wasn't, no court decreed contamination re the bra clasp, stop lying. MB stated that the bra clasp lying in a sealed crime scene "increased the likelihood of contamination" which is ridiculous.
No it's not a lie, Meredith was murdered in her bedroom and some of Knox's mixed blood dna is in Filomena's room which clearly highlights how Knox carried in traces when going to stage the burglary, regardless of your laughable spin.
Burglary was staged, please cite where the courts deemed it genuine, Guede was never even charged with burglary. Also, keep your replies concise, your wall of text nonsense is already starting to bore me
Meredith annoyed Knox and tried to steal her boyfriend. She hired the killer because shes a sociopath. The boyfriend could guess this but refrained from implicating Knox.
FYI, they know the real killer and what happened. It was not Knox. SO any theory outside of what actually happened is just in your head and a sign on how manipulated you were.
@@avs-forum I didn't say it was Knox
@@reinforcedpenisstem Then what were you implying? Who do you think "hired" a killer?
@@avs-forum Knox.
@@reinforcedpenisstem Ahhh, So then you were saying it was Knox. Why did you say you didn't? That makes no sense. Regardless, my reply to you is 100% valid. Hell, even Italy's supreme court said she was innocent and the case was fabricated. Those still thinking it was her are those who ignore evidence and are easily manipulated.
The reason for the miscarriage isn’t the police making a mistake it was Amanda constantly changing her story involving people who had nothing to do with it always luring about where shy was on the night so of course people and the police are going to suspect her
She totally was involved. People are saying she was implicated because she was hot? That’s ridiculous. She is a 4 at best. I’d even go as far as to say she is uggo.
So, on what exactly do you base your 'she totally was involved' opinion?
@@mytrip6991 Apparently, because he finds her unattractive.
@@SluttChops I find that most people who think that she's guilty base that opinion on things just as dumb. The number of idiots saying they can see guilt in her eyes is mind boggling.
The killer is free already????
He played anti-American feeling of the time because of Bush and the Iraq War to get almost no punishment. At that time hatred of all things American was wide spread and without a doubt contributed to the insanity of the prosecution. I remember telling American nieces and nephews of mine to think twice before studying in America during the case. People forget the times, it was at the height of the Bush hatred. Bush hatred was justified but it became so easy to attack anything and anyone American. If Knox had been British or Italian the case against her would never have been possible.
@@BobHooker I disagree Bob. I think Mignini (the prosecutor) honestly believed from day one that Amanda was involved based on her behavior, which he found unacceptable. He didn't have a shred of evidence against her, but nonetheless his investigators hastily conducted a coercive interrogation late in the evening on 5 Nov because they had learned Amanda's mother was arriving on the 6th. They found the SMS exchange between Amanda and Lumumba and believed it meant they met up the night of the murder. This is how Lumumba got implicated. But his problem was they did all this without a single shred of physical evidence. Then, when the lab results came back and none of it pointed to Amanda, Raffaele or Lumumba, the police realized they were in a bind. They just held this huge international press conference bragging about how quickly they solved the crime and now they realized it was all wrong. Rather than suffer the embarrassment, they simply went on and tried to fabricate a case against Amanda and Raffaele. I really don't believe it had anything to do with Amanda being American. JMHO.
Yeah. He was originally sentenced to 30 years, but it got reduced by 1/3 because he opted for a fast-track trial (basically a plea bargain Italian style) and then adjusted downward further to align with the sentences Amanda and Raffaele had received. It's an absolute travesty of justice that the man who sexually assaulted and then murdered Meredith barely served ten years.
@@TheTruthCalls Thanks goodness someone knows the facts and uses logic instead of basing their knowledge on tabloid nonsense.
@@mytrip6991 I think after 15 years most people now know what happened. But then there are the few who are only now hearing about this case, or those whose only knowledge of it is based on either tabloids or websites such as the fake wiki or TJMK, and they post hateful comments as if they actually knew anything about the case. I suspect these type of people will be around for a very long time.
Dont forget that she contributed greatly to her own suspicion. This still stinks in numerous ways. This shit doent happen without being involved in some way.
Maybe you were involved.
Happens all the time without being involved in some way.
with this case, the more you look the worse it gets, no wonder she hired PR firms
Involved in what way? Because she happened to know the girl who was murdered? I guess the girls parents are also suspects, by your standards
@@RawOlympia Damn, you can't even get this correct. SHE didn't hire anyone. Her family hired Marriott to handle media requests for interviews with the family.
They were so focused on destroying this woman because she was pretty and had a risque Myspace username they forgot to give the actual murderer-rapist a decent sentence. They literally threw any concern for justice for Meredith out the door immediately to focus on a crazed sex lovers narrative. Insane
If you begin to pull on the thread of the staged burglary, and those facts unravel, it becomes very clear someone who lived in the house played a part in poor Meredith's terrible death.
@@flowerjpotter1629 No, it doesn't. What becomes clear when you pull the string on the prosecution's scenario is that the evidence does not support guilt. That's why the two were definitively acquitted.
Mignini claimed the rock was thrown from the inside, but a ballistic expert recreated the scene 3X and proved it was thrown from the parking parapet directly across from the window. The video was shown in court and is available in the court records.
Only Rudy Guede was a known burglar and was caught red-handed with a stolen laptop and cell phone from a law office break-in earlier the same month. It was accessed by a rock thrown through a second story window higher off the ground than Filomena's window.
Whoever made this video is just as bad as he claims the prosecuter to be...Read the entire case file...check the timeliness and scrutinise the evidence closer...Amanda Knox and her boyfriend did not find themselves in that situation on the whim of an over zealous prosecuter ( who, like the media ) actually got put into play way after the students, faculty members and town folk that had dealt with Amanda, already suspected her for reasons that stemmed from her character amongst other things. Can't say who did it, but the account on this video is widely one sided and conveniently excludes evidence that show exactly why they were suspected in the first place ( and it's very damning) plus the real media sensilization started when the American media got involved to undermine the Italians. That being said it is unfortunate this case has over shadowed the lovely and good nature of the victim who is loved and missed by all who knew her...May she rest in peace
Well then, how about you tell us what Amanda and Raffaele did to put themselves in that situation. And exactly what was "her character"?? To suggest the "students, faculty members and town folk" suspected Amanda before Mignini is a patent lie, and I know for a fact you can't cite any evidence of that. So the real question is what is your motivation to come here and lie about Amanda when you clearly have no basis for doing so.
How about you tell us what that "evidence that show exactly why they were suspected in the first place" is. Again, I don't expect a response because I know or a fact none exists. Indeed, the police had NO EVIDENCE against Amanda or Raffaele when they arrested them on the 6th, but that fact doesn't seem to matter to people like you.
Lastly, ALL of the media initially bought into what Mignini and the investigators were telling them. ALL of the media coverage, US and otherwise, was very much anti-Amanda pretty much from the beginning. American media didn't start adjusting their coverage until more than a year later, and it mostly was adjusting to the facts as they came out. You'd know this if you knew anything of the case.
The amount of misinformation in your post is eye-popping.
As usual, you make claims as if they are fact when you provide zero evidence for them.
I'd love to hear your explanation for why Guede's DNA was found on the cuff of the jacket Meredith was wearing when she arrived home, on her bra strap, and in her blood on her purse. Why was his bloody handprint on the pillow beneath her hips, and his bloody shoeprints found in her bedroom when NO evidence of Amanda was found in Meredith's bedroom? Go on and tell us why that is.
Nice video but the conclusion is inaccurate, in my opinion.
Amanda and Raffaele are free just because there isn't enough evidence to convict them.
How Guede could do that mess all alone? Three people did that.
About Amanda, she had a history getting jealous and bothering Meredith. This is what you can read on the italians acts, they're available on the internet.
Anyway, they're are free and that's it.
1) "Amanda and Raffaele are free just because there isn't enough evidence to convict them."
They weren't acquitted because there wasn't "enough" evidence against them; there was NO evidence against them.
2) "How could Guede do that mess alone? Three people did that. "
Easily. Do you think it takes more than one person to stab a woman to death and sexually assault her? If three people did that, then where is the evidence of them in Kercher's room? There was none.
3) "About Amanda, she had a history getting jealous and bothering Meredith."
False. Not one person testified in court that Amanda was jealous of Meredith. Not one. Those were all tabloid stories. Court testimony, including that from Patrick Lumumba (a major source of that lie) and Giacomo Silenzi, the young man Meredith was dating who lived in the apartment below, said the two girls were friends. Several people also testified to that. No one reported ever seeing them argue or Amanda saying a single negative thing about Meredith. The two Italian roommates said neither had ever complained about the other.
4) "This is what you can read on the italians acts, they're available on the internet."
I've studied the court documents and what you've claimed is false according to them.
@@mytrip6991 Maybe you can't read italian...🤣
Anyway, relax, they're free. Bye bye
@@potereinteriore154 Most of the pertinent records have been translated into English.
@@potereinteriore154 Based on the comments you made it's clear you know nothing about this case. So the only thing I don't understand is why post such nasty, hateful things when you have no idea what you're talking about?
@@TheTruthCalls Do you know everything? I don't think so. And I've red a lot about this case, in Italian, as it's my mothertongue.
Nasty and hateful? I really don't see it. It's just my opinion on a RUclips video, behave like an adult and accept it.
I think the black guy who was taken off the train in Germany killed her
Shocking!
Of course, you do. That's what you were meant to think. That's what a scapegoat is for.
Italian said she's a witch😂😂😂😂😂
Really DNA evidence clearly cleared the AK & RS ??? Really the DNA was at very best incoclusive due to police bungling .
THe facts are she blamed an innocent man - never retracted her story or made any apologie to him .
Then was the lies that both told on multiple occassions .
Nonsense. NO evidence, including DNA, of Knox was found in Kercher's bedroom. That isn't due to "police bungling". No DNA, no fingerprints, no bloody shoeprints: ALL of which the police found belonging to Guede.
The facts are that she DID recant her statements in both the Nov. 6 and Nov. 7 memoriales she gave to the police which they ignored. Try reading them. She also apologized to Lumumba in court on Dec. 11, 2010. Try reading the transcript of that day.
She did apologize to him
The DNA evidence was quite clear: only the DNA of Guede was found in multiple places in Kercher's room: her body, her bra strap, her jacket cuff, her purse. None of that was low copy DNA and none of it contested.
Knox did apologize to Lumumba in court, in his presence, on Dec. 11, 2010:
"Patrick? I don’t see you. But I’m sorry. I’m sorry, because I didn’t want to wrong you. I was very naïve and not remotely courageous, because I should have been able to endure the pressure that
pushed me to wrong you. I didn’t want to contribute to all that you suffered. You know what it means to have unjust accusations imposed on your skin. You didn’t deserve what you went through. I hope you’ll succeed in finding your peace.”
Other than the coerced statements during their retractions, exactly what lies did they tell? If you can't quote them, then you're just parroting others.
You can see the killer in her eyes - obviously, evidence is lacking - but my instincts tell me Knox is an evil, evil person that has fooled so many. RIP Meredith.
"You can see the killer in her eyes "? Please, don't ever sit on a jury.
You sound exactly like Christian superistious peasants from the 14th century, which is how the jury and prosecution and police were. If someone "looks evil" it does not mean they are. That is how logic and reasoning works.
No you most certainly can not. Do some introspection on that thought.
So what would be the reasoning for her to kill Meredith then
Amanda Knox is just so creepy. Just one look at her gives me palpitations. I doubt she's innocent. They wouldn't be trying so hard to ignore Mere's family after all these years if this gal was truly innocent.
What a strange statement to make. Meredith's siblings have made it quite clear that they do not want any communication with Amanda. In the past, she has made it clear that she would like to but she is respecting their decision.
"Asked if she had spoken to Kercher's family yet, Amanda - now back in her native US - said: 'No, not yet. Not yet is my sort of position because like I know that it's a complicated situation. I know that at least in the past like it's unclear to me at this point how they feel about me. And I don't want to like force a relationship on them if it's traumatic for them.
So I have sent messages to them through intermediaries telling them I want to have a relationship with you. I want to talk to you. And I'm waiting to see if that's something that they want too.
'I want the same thing that they want. I want to know the truth. I want to know what happened to Meredith. I want her to be recognised for who she was, and I want their suffering to be recognised for what it is. And I want them to get the closure that they deserve. I want that too." (November 2021)
As for doubting her innocence, what do you base that on?
Its obviously Guede, just another saint to make endless excuses for.
She's guilty as hell
@@corpusvile1 And you keep repeating lies.
@@mytrip6991 I haven't told any lies please specify.
She’s GUILTY! WP
Based on what exactly? Unless you can provide evidence of her guilt, the your post is just so much hot air.
@@mytrip6991 🤣
Do you always come onto public boards and prove you don't have a clue what you're talking about? Oh, and BTW, you DO know she was definitively acquitted, right? I mean, you could say "you THINK she's guilty" (and, of course, you'd then have to prove that you know nothing of the case, but...) but as the courts have declared her innocent, you're factually quite wrong.
@@biblioeditor9355 A laughing emoji is not evidence of her guilt. I can only assume you can't provide any. But don't feel to bad; neither could the prosecution.
@@TheTruthCalls 🤣
Au contraire....how this channel can say "clearly KNox was wrongly convicted"- how one can be so sure? Knox was high and drunk, she admited herself, she didnt know what she was doing, and yet, by some drunken drug fuelled concience, she remembers Meredith scream, and instead of HELPING, she covers her ears. So, NOT "CLEARLY". Empty house, only English and American are there. American fancies the hot boyfriend of the English. If the English has sex with the well known beggar Guede, this will finish her romance with hot Giacomo..so lets bring Guede to Meredith....The English is sophistocated and has the most sexy of all English accents. I believe that Knox got drunk and high and decided to encourage Guede to get advantage of the situation. Knox thought that Meredith home alone will be as promiscous as Knox, and will go for it. The old prosecutor was RIGHT FROM THE START. Same in McCanns case, the old portugese prosecutor said on day One: mother lies, blocks the search, parents are guilty.
What a load of nonsense.
1) " Knox was high and drunk, she admited herself, she didnt know what she was doing,"
Knox admitted she was smoking weed that night but she never said she had been drinking alcohol and there is no evidence that she did. She didn't say she didn't know what she was doing either before the interrogation. In her Nov. 6 memoriale that she wrote and gave to the police, she said that after watching a movie - Amelie- she got a text saying not to come in to work, they smoked some weed, talked, had sex and then fell asleep. That part she said is 'hazy' but that's not the same thing as "not knowing what [she's] doing".
2) "she remembers Meredith scream, and instead of HELPING, she covers her ears. So, NOT "CLEARLY". "
Yes, she DOESN'T say that at all. In both the 5:45 signed statement and in the statement she wrote after the interrogation and gave to police, she said the exact OPPOSITE:
5:45 statement: "I am very confused. I do NOT remember if Meredith was screaming and if I heard some thuds, too, because I was upset and I IMAGINED what COULD have happened."
Nov. 6 memoriale: " I saw myself cowering in the kitchen with my hands over my ears because in my head I could hear Meredith screaming. But I've said this many times so as to make myself clear: THESE THINGS SEEM UNREAL TO ME, LIKE A DREAM, AND I'M UNSURE IF THEYARE REAL THING THAT HAPPENED OR JUST DREAMS MY MIND HAD MADE TO TRY AND ANSWER THE QUESTIONS IN MY HEAD, and the questions I am being asked. But the truth is, I'M UNSURE ABOUT THE TRUTH and here's why:"
The rest of your comment is just your overactive imagination unsupported by any evidence
If "the old prosecutor was RIGHT FROM THE START," then you must agree with Mignini that it was a Halloween "sacrificial rite":
"As late as October 2008, a year after the murder, he told a court that the murder “was premeditated and was in addition a ‘rite’ celebrated on the occasion of the night of Halloween. A sexual and sacrificial rite [that] in the intention of the organizers … should have occurred 24 hours earlier” - on Halloween itself - “but on account of a dinner at the house of horrors, organized by Meredith and Amanda’s Italian flatmates, it was postponed for one day.”
If Knox wasn't involved in the murder I'll eat my shorts...
@@andrewthornton6192 i prefer ketchup
I agree, I used to think she was railroaded, but once you dig into the case past the miss info her PR firm (hired 3 days after the murder) has propagated, her involvement is pretty obvious. I’m not convinced she was the one to stab Meredith but Knox had some involvement or knowledge beyond what she has said.
@@andrewthornton6192 they won't have to, AK guilty!
@@tomjim2198 Creepy how the only reason she got let out was Hillary Clinton threatened Italy
I'll eat her shorts either way
We live next to Italy and the Italian police who have been heavily criticized for their handling of the case still stand by their facts that for them there is no doubt Amanda Knox was involved in the killing of Kerchner. When Amanda was first brought to the police station, she got up and started doing cartwheels at the first interrogation. She has always refused to take a lie detector test. Amanda and her boyfriend gave several alibis about where they were during the killing. Amanda's blood was found on the knife that killed Kershner. The Italian police believe that Amanda and her boyfriend and Kershner were playing a sex game that went wrong. There was no doubt in many people's minds that Amanda had a part in the most likely accidental murder of her roommate.
What a crappy take:
* So what if she did cartwheels? What the hell does that prove?
* Since lie detector tests are bunkum, this is the same as if she refused to use a Ouija board. But even this isn't the case. Knox offered to take a test; the Italian police (rightly) refused to administer one.
* Knox and Sollecito were each other's alibi, that they were at Sollecito's apartment. That's not multiple alibis.
* No, Knox's blood was NOT found on the knife. Her DNA was found on the handle. Big deal. SHE LIVED THERE! Of course she handled things that were found there. Duh!
There is no evidence whatsoever that Knox and Sollecito were involved in the murder. The police got tunnel vision and deserve all of the criticism they got, especially for offering Guede (who was phenomenally guilty) a lighter sentence if he fingered Knox and Sollecito. Being a murderer but not an idiot like the Italian police, Guede took the deal.
@@Rasputin443556 We live next to Italy and the Italian police are very good at what they do. We know the police get tarred and feathered in everything they do, next door in France, a guy took off from a traffic stop and the Police opened fire on him, and it's the Police who are blamed as being incompetent. There have been 5 days of rioting. To me the guy was doing his job. It was the same in Italy for the Knox case. The police had no interest in putting the blame on anyone who wasn't guilty. They believe Knox was guilty to this day: it was her room mate. I am only repeating facts the cops say happened or were discovered. You have your reasons for believing what you do, and maybe your facts are true and mine are not. But I believe the Italian police more than anyone else.
The more one looks into this case, the more guilty AK becomes ... her thrown away phone, she was there when police arrived but had not called them, she was deeply jealous of M, wasn't the murder weapon found at "Harry Potter's" who she only just met but tried to make him out to be a boyfriend, she tried to pin the murder on her boss!, she had been blown off by M on Halloween, and had spent the night wandering aimlessly as Harry Potter was studying, she was barely enrolled at school, ,she was filthy and M could not bear her filth and wanted her out - it went even deeper, a guy AK liked who lived in the bottom part was interested in M, AK was broke, overspending money and had no rent money - M had money laying out, some think AK was going after M's rent money ...
That’s roughly what I concluded after following this case for years. I don’t know if I think Knox actually murdered anyone in cold blood, but I absolutely believe she has guilty knowledge of Meredith Kercher’s death.
I also live as a ‘neighbour’ to Italy and interactions with the Italian police have never been anything other than courteous and professional 🤷🏼♀️
@@lornarettig3215 GGGGGGGGGGreat to hear from you. Knox is someone that no matter how long she lives will never free the thoughts and visuals that only she possess from her mind. I think people that get away with murder pay if they do not go to prison by having to deal with thousands of bleed-throughs that infect their daily life the rest of their natural lives.
The beautiful ‘migrant’ killed her
Here we have not heard some facts. 1) Amenda and her 7 days old boyfriend were drug addicts.
2) She belonged to a broken family and behaved extremely strange at the police station by doing yoga when her friend was murdered and she was being interrogated.
3) She had found her Italian boyfriend within weeks after reaching Italy and was suspected to be a sex addict and was suspected to have had sex with multiple guys.
4) Amanda changed her sentences and kept giving different versions of what happened making everyone wonder whats the truth..
5) The thief had a love affair with the victim and still says that he is innocent and blames Amanda ..
6) Amanda DID NOT behave empathetically or like a normal person who would grieve over a death of a roommate.
She did have all the ingredients that would make her a suspect because of her Psychopathic personality. ...
TO TOP IT ALL , SHE LIED... She lied by putting the blame on her employer, bar owner who was ,100% innocent.. She was a liar for sure if not a murderer as she tried to defame and put the blame on her 100% innocent employer.
What a horrible thing to do.
I feel sorry for what happened and all the suffering but it happened because of multiple reasons..We have heard only ONE SIDE OF THE STORY from Sam..
😢
How many times are you going to copy and paste this same piece of garbage? Because, as long as you keep doing so, I'll keep posting this:
Let's discuss your misinformation and outright false statements:
"1) Amanda and her 7 days old boyfriend were drug addicts. "
Knox's and Sollecito's hair was ordered tested for narcotics upon their arrest on Nov. 6, 2007. Unlike urine and blood, hair never loses its trace of narcotics. Both tested negative for narcotics. Your claim is 100% false.
"2a) She belonged to a broken family"
So did Meredith. What's your point? Children of divorced parents are psycho killers?
"2b)and behaved extremely strange at the police station by doing yoga when her friend was murdered and she was being interrogated."
She wasn't doing yoga while being interrogated. She did it while waiting for her boyfriend while HE was being interrogated. Yep, doing yoga is the sure sign of a killer... as I note your own username!
"3a) She had found her Italian boyfriend within weeks after reaching Italy...
Meredith was also sleeping with an Italian guy, Giacomo Silenzi, who lived in the downstairs apartment within weeks after arriving in Italy. Does that make her a slut in your mind, too?
"3b) and was suspected to be a sex addict..."
No: She was being slut-shamed for doing what lots of college girls and guys do. But it's usually only the girls who get slut-shamed by people as you're doing.
"3c)... and was suspected to have had sex with multiple guys."
So what if she did? What does her sex life have to do with murder? But to put facts straight, she had sex with 3 guys in Italy, two of them only one time.
"4) She changed her sentences and kept giving different versions of what happened making everyone wonder whats the truth.."
No, she didn't. Her account before and after the illegal and coercive interrogation of Nov. 5/6 was the same. Saul Kassin, the foremost expert on false confessions, has studied her statements and concluded they were the result of a coerced interrogation: "coerced-internalized false confessions are statements made by an innocent but vulnerable person who, as a result of exposure to highly suggestive and misleading interrogation tactics, comes to believe that he or she may have committed the crime--a belief that is sometimes supplemented by false memories."
KASSIN: ""This case horrifies me. I'd like to say it shocks me. But I've seen others like it," said psychologist and professor Saul Kassin, an expert on police interrogations.
On his own initiative, Kassin filed a report with the Italian court on Amanda's behalf. It outlines some of the psychological reasons why Amanda could have confessed to a murder she did not commit."
"I believe Amanda's confession is false. I believe Amanda is innocent," Kassin said. "If she was there...wouldn't she have known that Patrick wasn't there? Wouldn't she have known that Rudy was there? The reason she didn't know those things is that she wasn't there."
(Amanda Knox: The untold story
48-hours OCTOBER 11, 2011 / 3:33 PM EDT / CBS NEWS)
She retracted her statements within 24 hours.
"5) The thief still says that he is innocent and blames Amanda .. "
The "thief"? You mean the definitively convicted MURDERER, Rudy Guede, who has recently been arrested again for raping and beating up his ex-partner.
"6) Amanda DID NOT behave empathetically or like a normal person who would grieve over a death of a roommate.
She did have all the ingredients that would make her a suspect brcause of het Psychopathic personality."
Thank you for your professional opinion, Doctor. So where did you get your degree in psychology or psychiatry? The University of RUclips?
"TO TOP IT ALL , SHE LIED... She lied by putting the blame on her empliyer, bar owner who was ,100% innocent.. She was a liar for sure if not a murderer as she tried to defame and put the blame on her 100% innocent employer."
I refer you back to my response to your #4 comment.
@@mytrip6991 Thanks for the rundown. Can you clue me in on another thing - is it corroborated that there was some degree of consensual intimacy between Guede and Meredith? I'm trying to gage the plausibility that his DNA ever got inside her consensually whether (yes) or not he also killed her.
Btw as sidenote on Guede's new accuser, I saw she commented that she may never trust a man again. Not after suffering such nasty outcome from her decision to make a known liar, convicted knife murderer, robber and likely sex predator, her first bf. And while I understand that victims don't always choose their post-trauma reactions, I would still advise for all young women who decide to give themselves to this very select subset of available men or similar, to not view the whole rest of us through the prism of the self-inflicted wounds suffered as result of that screening process. Chances are that the general perception might get skewed.
@@hide3reptiles365
1. "is it corroborated that there was some degree of consensual intimacy between Guede and Meredith?"
None whatsoever. Guede claimed to have met and danced with Meredith on Halloween night when she told him to come over the next night. Several of her British friends were with her that night and they all said they never saw Guede at all. They also said Meredith never mentioned Guede to them. Meredith was newly involved with one of the downstairs boys, Giacomo Silenzi. Guede fabricated his story around what he knew the police would, or could, find. But his story was not supported by witnesses or the forensic facts. For example, he claimed to have gone to a friend's house between his first and second trip to the cottage but that friend said he never saw him at all that night. Another falsehood was his claim that he had tried to comfort Meredith as she lay dying after he had found her. But his palmprint in her blood is on the pillow that was placed under her naked hips. It had to have been left on the pillow immediately before or after the fatal cut was inflicted and there is no reason for him to place a pillow under her hips other than to facilitate the sexual attack. If he was trying to make her more comfortable, it would have been under her head, not her hips.
2. "I saw she commented that she may never trust a man again. Not after suffering such nasty outcome from her decision to make a known liar, convicted knife murderer, robber and likely sex predator, her first bf."
She was only 8 years old when Kercher was murdered by Guede. She did not know that the Rudy she was dating was the convicted murderer. From her interview:
"Certain aspects of his personality emerged later, and it took me some time to understand them. "She confesses she doesn’t know who he was. "He was already in semi-freedom and I attended the library where he worked. I just saw him there, I didn’t know him as the "Rudy of the Meredith case", I didn’t know he was going back to jail at night. I was 8 in 2008. All he told me was that he got into a bad past, and he didn’t explain any more. Then we started seeing each other and friends explained everything".
One evening he confided in me. Maybe he had understood, maybe he had been warned, maybe it was time. He explained the facts to me in general and I didn’t go into them. It was my first love story, it was worth the benefit of the doubt. The real change was when he finished serving his sentence. Certain attitudes with me... We were together only for a few weeks. Then he began to have a violent attitude." "I didn’t report beatings but there were pushes, things like that. He started with little gestures for which he apologized and I forgave him. Looking back now, he knew he was wrong but he also knew he would be forgiven. I don’t know if those excuses were sincere anymore". Finally the complaint... "We had already broken up for a few months, I was back living alone in Grosseto and I understood that he would not stop. He wrote to me, he called me, three times he came without telling me, he has the keys to the house in Viterbo... A lawyer advised me not to report him: "They will not believe you, they will tear you to pieces even the newspapers, you do not have enough evidence". Even friends told me to wait, but I didn’t have a life anymore and I wouldn’t forgive myself if he did the bad things he did to me. I went back to my mother, who is upset: she didn’t understand either. I leave as little as possible and I am careful".
@@mytrip6991 Thanks for the details on the corroboration angle, seems this clip dropped the ball hard on that one. And sure, I was always assuming anything Guede says will be a lie unless proven true despite his character, but nice added credibility tidbits all the same.
I don't fault the girl for growing up ignorant about the man. I was grown-up myself at the time and had loosely followed this story before, but I had blissfully erased Guede's name and face from my mind still. The point here is that:
A) on the virtual list of things to do to facilitate a long and rewarding life, one item says that the moment your [proverbial "you", whoever "you" are] friend tells you that your new and much older BF is a convicted rape murderer of a young woman, is the moment you get busy finding out if your friend is right. Meanwhile, up until the moment you disprove this allegation, the relationship is immediately OFF and you give him whatever excuse you can think of. You give little benefit of the doubt to any man with a shady past who is loose on statement verifications. You give zero benefit of the doubt, big or small, to anybody coming out of a long prison sentence once this much is known - least of all convicted sex murderer and proven liars. Such benefits are not acts of kindness, but of foolish and enabling irresponsibility. There's darkness out there, especially in a society where known killers like this get to legally walk free already in their 30's. Which means you have to adopt some minimum safety margins in your own relationship decisions. Don't be willfully ignorant just because the bad boy turns you on, like he's done for so many women throughout history. If you are, you are asking for trouble and it just might find you, fast.
Meanwhile B) if you find yourself nonetheless botching the stay-alive-checklist above, give your youth to a man who preferably shouldn't even be ..... any more, and come out of that ordeal merely beaten up and used for his sexual pleasure - there should indeed be a loss in trust. Just not in men as a whole, because men as a whole are only very rarely monsters like Guede is. You should however seriously second-guess yourself, and take the fact that your maiden voyage on the sea of romance left you hard aground and rescued from danger by others, as an early warning of a possible pattern emerging in you. One of being drawn to the wrong men for reasons that may well be subconscious and hidden from your rational mind, but worthy of nipping in the bud as soon as you start sensing them. Your entire future, and maybe that of your children, will depend on your ability to check any destructive impulses in mating choices.
If not, then you should least of all be able to see this one thing: On the one hand, maybe your desires are unhealthy, your aim is poor, your screening has the resolve of an addict, and your hindsight wisdom is slow as in the statement "I don’t know if those excuses were sincere anymore". (At what point do you start detecting the reflexive insincerity of this man, if now by now?) Or on the other hand, maybe you're just plagued by horrible luck through no fault of your own decision making process whatsoever. Fair enough. But either way, when you draw the "convicted rapist knife murderer and compulsive liar" - needle, out of the haystack of love on your first try, you should in either way know that this needle can tell you preciously little about the rest of that stack. The stack as a whole might just deserve that you keep an open mind about it, and many straws inside it will have some choice words about your chosen lover, and what fate he deserves. Both for the things he did to the knife victim as well as to you.
All the same, I'll note that this girl has inadvertently shone a light about the true nature of Guede. That's a terrific public service and an overdue wake-up call for many it seems, who got caught up in the Jackie Collinsesque tabloid fairytales.
@@hide3reptiles365 I agree and cannot disagree with anything you wrote. Hopefully, this young woman will learn from her mistake and never have to go through such an ordeal again.
I remember when this happened, and it was clear that Knox and Sollecito were not involved in Meredith's murder. I was happy for them when their convictions were overturned and they were allowed to return home. Then the Italian court system further embarrassed itself by prosecuting Knox and Sollecito in absentia and convicting them, again, only have the convictions get overturned, again. It has been clear from the start that the only person responsible for the horrific death of Meredith was Guede. And now he's a free man. The case of Meredith's murder was grossly mishandled by the Italians. Rest in peace, Meredith.
Sorry Knox guilty her and boyfriend wanted 3some with Meredith that beautiful girl rejected and they went crazy 😯😯
@@DeborahMoffett Everyone is free to have an opinion, but Raffaele was with Amanda for a week and never once looked at Meredith. He was, per all who were around them at the time, completely infatuated with Amanda. Besides, as far as Amanda and Raffaele were concerned, Meredith went out for the evening with her friends. They wouldn't have even thought she was home.
Besides all that, it's confirmed that Guede sexually assaulted Meredith. So how does that figure into your narrative?
@@TheTruthCalls well guede
Had his wicked way
With poor Meredith Knox and her boyfriend was there all high on drugs thankyou
Darling 🥂
@@DeborahMoffett Ah, but you didn't answer my question. You said Amanda and Raffaele wanted a threesome, so how did Guede figure into it? And if they wanted a threesome, why does the physical evidence show only Guede sexually assaulted Meredith? I mean, if you're going to throw such hateful accusations out there, shouldn't you at least be able to offer up a shred of evidence or a hint of rational reasoning to support it.
@@TheTruthCalls guede
Abused Meredith first then i imagine
She fought like tiger that's when Knox and goofy
Lost control fear
She would sink
Them Knox evil witch she has daughter now watch out for karma
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I always feel so bad for Amanda and Raffaela. They have a lifetime of pain to deal with due to the inexcusable train and conviction. Meredith is a victim, but she can be mourned and her family can grieve. There is no relief for Amanda and Raffaela especially when people still falsely believe they are responsible.
Innocent people don't buy cleaning products to remove traces of the crime.
True. And Knox didn't buy any cleaning products. That's a myth that has continued to be spread. Marco Quintavalle, who is the origin of that myth with his story of Knox alone showing up early on the morning after the murder at his store, even testified he didn't know if she bought anything, much less bleach or cleaning supplies. In fact, there was no record of any sales that morning in the store records. He also only went to police with this story A YEAR after the murder.
His story became even more unreliable when you consider the testimony of Insp. Oreste Volturno who said he took photos of Knox and Sollecito around to stores about 2.5 weeks after the murder trying to track down where a bottle and a half of bleach found in Sollecito's apartment had come from (RS's maid testified those same bottles had been there for months before the murder). When he showed the photos to Quintavalle, he never mentioned having seen Knox the morning of Nov. 2. Instead, he said BOTH RS and AK had come into his store a couple of times together before the murder. The cashier on duty that morning said she had not seen Knox. Remember, their faces had been all over the news for two weeks so they knew exactly who they were yet Quintavalle made no mention of seeing either on Nov. 2 nor did the cashier.
None was talking about the shit on toilet. They must preseve it, whether it was the victim's or someone else... botched Italian detectives, police, forensic etc....😂😂😂😂
The feces was tested and it belonged to Rudy Guede.
Guede has persisted that Knox and a man unknown to him (Sollecito) were at the place where Meredith Kercher was murdered. No person who is completely innocent, as Knox says she is, would blame a crime on somebody else.
Knox ruined Lumumba's life and he could've been jailed for 30 years if her boyfriend had supported her, but the latter had claimed that he was not at the scene of this crime, besides he wasn't aware of Knox's lie at the time when he told his own lie about his whereabout.
Both Knox and Sollecito got tremendous support from their families and from their governments. The case would have become a real long lasting political case.If the Supreme Courts in Italy had dared to uphold the ruling and it would have been a long process regarding extradition and the influential family of Sollecito wouldn't have made it easy for the Italian court.
Meredith Kercher's family still doesn't want to talk to Knox and the reason is obvious.
1. "Guede has persisted that Knox and a man unknown to him (Sollecito) were at the place where Meredith Kercher was murdered."
Guede first told his friend, Giacomo Benedetti, in a secretly recorded Skype call from Germany that a) 'Amanda was not there', b) 'She had nothing to do with it', c) he was attacked by a left-handed man (Sollecito is right-handed) and d) the man was wearing a Napapijri brand jacket and a white cap with a red stripe (Sollecito never owned a Napapijri jacket and neither the jacket nor white cap with a red band was ever found or was shown to have ever been owned or worn by Sollecito).
2. "No person who is completely innocent, as Knox says she is, would blame a crime on somebody else."
False. Completely innocent people confess to crimes they never committed quite often and even implicate other innocent people.
" Finally, coerced-internalized false confessions are statements made by an innocent but vulnerable person who, as a result of exposure to highly suggestive and misleading interrogation tactics, comes to believe that he or she may have committed the crime--a belief that is sometimes supplemented by false memories." (American Pyschological Association}
This is exactly how Knox described what happened to her the same day of her arrest:
"I have been told there is hard evidence saying that I was at the place of the murder of my friend when it happened. "
" The police have told me that they have hard evidence that places me at the house, my house, at the time of Meredith's murder. I don't know what proof they are talking about, but if this is true, it means I am very confused and my dreams must be real."
Knox was mentally and physically exhausted when she went into the interrogation at 11:00 PM as testified to in court by a court interpreter (Ada Colantone) who said Knox was obviously exhausted, pale, and 'in a bad way'. Knox's written statement within hours of her arrest:
"I want to make clear that I'm very doubtful of the verity of my statements because they were made under the pressures of stress, shock and extreme exhaustion."
Other reasons for accusing others of a crime without intent to lie:
"Pressure or coercion: Some people may be pressured or coerced into falsely accusing others, either by others or by their internal desires to please or conform."
Knox's Nov. 6 memorial: "Please don't yell at me because it only makes me more confused, which doesn't help anyone. I understand how serious this situation is, and as such, I want to give you this information as soon and as clearly as possible.
If there are still parts that don't make sense, please ask me. I'm doing the best I can, just like you are. Please believe me at least in that, although I understand if you don't. All I know is that I didn't kill Meredith, and so I have nothing but lies to be afraid of."
"Coercion or manipulation: Some people may be coerced or manipulated into falsely accusing others by others who have an ulterior motive. For example, someone might be pressured or threatened into falsely accusing someone else to protect someone else or to further someone else’s agenda."
Knox's Nov. 6 memorial: "Not only was I told I would be arrested and put in jail for 30 years, but I was also hit in the head when I didn't remember a fact correctly"
"Confabulation: Confabulation is a phenomenon in which people fill in gaps in their memory with false information, often without realizing it. This can lead to people falsely accusing others of crimes they did not commit."
Knox's Nov. 6 memorial: "However, it was under this pressure and after many hours of confusion that my mind came up with these answers. In my mind I saw Patrik in flashes of blurred images. I saw him near the basketball court. I saw him at my front door. I saw myself cowering in the kitchen with my hands over my ears because in my head I could hear Meredith screaming. But I've said this many times so as to make myself clear: these things seem unreal to me, like a dream, and I am unsure if they are real things that happened or are just dreams my head has made to try to answer the questions in my head and the questions I am being asked."
3. "Knox ruined Lumumba's life and he could've been jailed for 30 years if her boyfriend had supported her, but the latter had claimed that he was not at the scene of this crime, besides he wasn't aware of Knox's lie at the time when he told his own lie about his whereabout. "
No, the POLICE are responsible for that, not Knox. It was the police who coerced Knox into making an accusation that they ALREADY BELIEVED TO BE TRUE. It was the police who kept telling Knox that she had met and taken Lumumba to the cottage and that she was lying when she denied it. It was the police and interpreter who kept telling her she wasn't remembering 'correctly' because she had traumatic amnesia.
Within hours of the arrests, Chief of Police Arturo de Felice clearly admits to the press that they ALREADY "KNEW" that Lumumba was involved at the very beginning of Knox's interrogation when he announced:
"Initially the American gave a version of events we knew was not correct. She buckled and made an admission of facts we knew were correct and from that we were able to bring them in. They all participated but had different roles."
What was the American's initial version? That she and Raffaele had been at his house all night.
What did she finally "buckle" and admit that the police "knew" was correct? That she took Lumumba to the cottage where he killed Kercher.
They then rushed out and dragged Lumumba to jail before dawn without doing an ounce of investigation first. Did they bother to ASK him where he was the night of the murder? No.
Did they have ANY evidence against him except for Knox's statement? No.
Did they IGNORE Knox's Nov. 6 declaration that she was not SURE if what she'd said about Lumumba was true? Yes.
Did they IGNORE Knox's Nov. 7 declaration that she 'couldn't know who the murderer was because I didn't return to the cottage"? Yes
Did they keep him in jail even AFTER no forensics came back showing no evidence at all of him at the cottage? Yes.
Did they keep his bar closed for THREE MONTHS AFTER he had been fully cleared: Yes.
5. "Both Knox and Sollecito got tremendous support from their families and from their governments. The case would have become a real long lasting political case.If the Supreme Courts in Italy had dared to uphold the ruling and it would have been a long process regarding extradition and the influential family of Sollecito wouldn't have made it easy for the Italian court."
What a load of bollocks. That is completely unsupported by any facts. The Sollecito's weren't 'influential'; Dr. Sollecito is a urologist for crying out loud.
6. "Meredith Kercher's family still doesn't want to talk to Knox and the reason is obvious."
Of course it's obvious why. The family of victims seldom want anything to do with a person who was tried for, much less initially convicted of, killing their loved ones even if that person is later acquitted or even proven completely innocent. They're told over and over again by the police and prosecutor that this is the person responsible for your pain. When that is taken away, it's something a lot of families can't deal with.
@@mytrip6991Thanks for your attempt to clarify some interesting points in this case
Honestly, as for myself. I still don't know what to believe.
The only thing I still find really enlightened in this case is poor Lumumba's comment about Amanda Knox, saying that she has no soul, which of course ain't any crime but it explains why so many, including myself, find Knox's behavior beyond comprehension odd.
@@bjornsundberg1947 To say Lumumba is biased against Knox is an understatement. But Lumumba also lied about Knox. For example:
PL: "“This is not good for justice, I think it shows the power available for rich people - she’s American and rich. For a country like Italy this is not good. I think there were diplomatic problems with the US and it makes things difficult with the US so they let her free.
“Amanda is free because she is American, but Americans are human like everybody.”
Amanda and her family were not rich; her divorced parents were middle-class. In fact they went into huge debt, getting second mortgages on their homes, cashing in retirement funds, taking out loans and maxing out their credit cards. Even her grandmother mortgaged her home. They were well over a million dollars in debt.
There is no evidence whatsoever that the SC annulled the conviction due to political pressure by the US government. That is an excuse people use because it's convenient.
Lumumba claimed he fired Knox but that was a lie. In his sworn court testimony, he never says he fired he or was even thinking of firing her.
He first claimed he was 'hit, punched, and kicked" by the police in a paid for interview with the Daily Mail, but later claimed he was 'treated well" and didn't understand why Knox said she was mistreated.
In that same interview, he claimed Knox "hated" and was "jealous of" Kercher. But his sworn court testimony says nothing of the kind. In fact, he says all he knew of their relationship was that they were "friends".
He also claimed that Knox was constantly throwing herself at and flirting with men at work. But he says nothing even close to that in his court testimony. His biggest complaint was that she wasn't a very good waitress and she'd sometimes have to be told how to do something more than once.
Lumumba has repeatedly claimed Knox never apologized to him. That is a lie. She apologized to him in court on Dec. 11, 2010:
"“Patrick? I don’t see you. But I’m sorry. I’m sorry, because I didn’t want to wrong you. I was very naïve and not remotely courageous, because I should have been able to endure the pressure that
pushed me to wrong you. I didn’t want to contribute to all that you suffered. You know what it means to have unjust accusations imposed on your skin. You didn’t deserve what you went through. I hope you’ll succeed in finding your peace.”
It's to Lumumba's advantage to paint himself as a victim of a monstrous Knox as as it gains sympathy for him. And he plays it to the hilt. Remember, too, that Lumumba sued Knox and the more he maligned her, the bigger he hoped his award would be.
Guede was probably offered a plea deal if he implicated Knox & Sollecito. Don't forget, the detectives bullied Knox & Sollecito into changing their stories as well.
@@alienteknology5390 Guede opted for a fast-track trial which is available to any defendant in Italy (this was recently changed to not be available in murder cases). A fast track trial mean he appeared before a judge, he pleaded 'not guilty', the prosecution presented the evidence against him and the judge determined the verdict. A fast track trial will automatically reduce the sentence by 1/3.
I doubt there was any plea deal as he received the maximum 30 years, but it was later reduced to 24 on appeal. Then the 1/3 reduction was applied bringing his sentence to 16 years of which he served 13.
Amanda has been vilified for being beautiful… she had nothing to do with this 😢
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never flushed her own turds, they wanted her out!!!
They didn’t want to blame one of their precious african immigrants so they scapegoated Amanda instead
@@sabrinatscha2554And she wrongly accused her former boss (black) of being involved in the murder. Fortunately he had a cast iron alibi. AK is very unlikeable but I dont know if she is a killer. I am a Brit BTW and have followed this case for years. RIP Meredith
@@gemmag.2988
Agree, Amanda is unlikeable but not sure if she is a criminal.
The Bleep did it..case closed
Here we have not heard some facts. 1) Amenda and her 7 days old. boyfriend were drug addicts.
2) She belonged to a broken family and behaved extremely strange at the police station by doing yoga when her friend was murdered and she was being interrogated.
3) She had found her Italian boyfriend within weeks after reaching Italy and was suspected to be a sex addict and was suspected to have had sex with multiple guys.
4) She changed her sentences and kept giving different versions of what happened making everyone wonder whats the truth..
5) The thief still says that he is innocent and blames Amanda ..
6) Amanda DID NOT behave empathetically or like a normal person who would grieve over a death of a roommate.
She did have all the ingredients that would make her a suspect brcause of het Psychopathic personality. ...
TO TOP IT ALL , SHE LIED... She lied by putting the blame on her empliyer, bar owner who was ,100% innocent.. She was a liar for sure if not a murderer as she tried to defame and put the blame on her 100% innocent employer.
What a horrible thing to do.
I feel sorry for what happened and all the suffering but it happened because of multiple reasons..We have heard only ONE SIDE OF THE STORY from Sam..
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Let's discuss your misinformation and outright false statements:
"1) Amanda and her 7 days old boyfriend were drug addicts. "
Knox's and Sollecito's hair was ordered tested for narcotics upon their arrest on Nov. 6, 2007. Unlike urine and blood, hair never loses its trace of narcotics. Both tested negative for narcotics. Your claim is 100% false.
"2a) She belonged to a broken family"
So did Meredith. What's your point? Children of divorced parents are psycho killers?
"2b)and behaved extremely strange at the police station by doing yoga when her friend was murdered and she was being interrogated."
She wasn't doing yoga while being interrogated. She did it while waiting for her boyfriend while HE was being interrogated. Yep, doing yoga is the sure sign of a killer... as I note your own username!
"3a) She had found her Italian boyfriend within weeks after reaching Italy...
Meredith was also sleeping with an Italian guy, Giacomo Silenzi, who lived in the downstairs apartment within weeks after arriving in Italy. Does that make her a slut in your mind, too?
"3b) and was suspected to be a sex addict..."
No: She was being slut-shamed for doing what lots of college girls and guys do. But it's usually only the girls who get slut-shamed by people as you're doing.
"3c)... and was suspected to have had sex with multiple guys."
So what if she did? What does her sex life have to do with murder? But to put facts straight, she had sex with 3 guys in Italy, two of them only one time.
"4) She changed her sentences and kept giving different versions of what happened making everyone wonder whats the truth.."
No, she didn't. Her account before and after the illegal and coercive interrogation of Nov. 5/6 was the same. Saul Kassin, the foremost expert on false confessions, has studied her statements and concluded they were the result of a coerced interrogation: "coerced-internalized false confessions are statements made by an innocent but vulnerable person who, as a result of exposure to highly suggestive and misleading interrogation tactics, comes to believe that he or she may have committed the crime--a belief that is sometimes supplemented by false memories."
KASSIN: ""This case horrifies me. I'd like to say it shocks me. But I've seen others like it," said psychologist and professor Saul Kassin, an expert on police interrogations.
On his own initiative, Kassin filed a report with the Italian court on Amanda's behalf. It outlines some of the psychological reasons why Amanda could have confessed to a murder she did not commit."
"I believe Amanda's confession is false. I believe Amanda is innocent," Kassin said. "If she was there...wouldn't she have known that Patrick wasn't there? Wouldn't she have known that Rudy was there? The reason she didn't know those things is that she wasn't there."
(Amanda Knox: The untold story
48-hours OCTOBER 11, 2011 / 3:33 PM EDT / CBS NEWS)
She retracted her statements within 24 hours.
"5) The thief still says that he is innocent and blames Amanda .. "
The "thief"? You mean the definitively convicted MURDERER, Rudy Guede, who has recently been arrested again for raping and beating up his ex-partner.
"6) Amanda DID NOT behave empathetically or like a normal person who would grieve over a death of a roommate.
She did have all the ingredients that would make her a suspect brcause of het Psychopathic personality."
Thank you for your professional opinion, Doctor. So where did you get your degree in psychology or psychiatry? The University of RUclips?
"TO TOP IT ALL , SHE LIED... She lied by putting the blame on her empliyer, bar owner who was ,100% innocent.. She was a liar for sure if not a murderer as she tried to defame and put the blame on her 100% innocent employer."
I refer you back to my response to your #4 comment.
@yogalife365 Could you please clarify what your motive is by repeatedly posting this nonsense on multiple boards, on multiple occasions? This is at least the third time I've seen mytrip6991 correct your false claims, but rather than concede you were wrong or try to debate the issue further, you just continue to repeat the same lies. Why is that? Is it that the truth doesn't interest you? Does it not bother you to continuously smear an innocent person with lies in public forums?
@@TheTruthCalls Yogalife365 has c & p'd the same thing in far more than 3 places. Not once has she bothered to respond to any of the evidence provided that she is wrong. She's a troll.
@@mytrip6991 Absolutely!
Institutionalised incompetence is intrinsically Italian.
combined with British media insanity in this case and not covered in this video. The UK press went full in on making and spreading disinformation that the Italian media picked up on.