There was a Christmas party the night before, with 100 guests. I find it likely a guest could’ve stayed in the house after the party. The next day, they couldn’t find her and people were coming in and out of the house before she was found. So the house was big enough for someone to have hidden this long and with people coming and going, they could’ve easily blended back in with the crowd, and simply asked someone for a ride home. This would also explain the lack of footprints in the snow.
@@legneil is usually a close relative. In this case, it was jealousy. Not sexual. Pure jealousy. Competition. Since they a are rich family, they wanted to cover it. Not to have a problem.
@@trueKENTUCKY i think it was the father personally and her mother didn't want to lose her billion dollar meal ticket so she covered it up what i always found interesting is that the ransom note was written on their personal stationary no no kidnapper would be stupid enough to write a ransom note right their in the house they would have to be the dumbest kidnappers in the world. also they wouldn't take the little girl down to the basement of her own house to molest her first that also would be pretty stupid something else that's even more stupid is killing her a dead child doesn't bring any ransom that's why i think it was a family member and i'm convinced it was the father
They did, she was behind a door that looked like a piece of wood, not a door. It had a piece of wood that turned and kept this piece of wood closed. So it was very difficult to tell that this was a door to another room. They missed it. When Fleet White went downstairs with John he saw John open this wooden "door" and cry out that he'd found Jon Benet before he turned on the light. This was enough to make Fleet turn on the Ramsay's and they weren't friends after he witnessed this peculiar reaction from John.
The whole house was massive, and not particularly well kept. Especially the basement. The police and others said the area containing the body was difficult to access.
Yeah what other people said about the cops actually going to the basement. The fact the father knew right where to search. Leads one to believing the parents knew something. I enjoy watching these videos but on more than one occasion they left out key information
@@lorimiller4301 None of that is true. NONE. BTW deary that Normal door can be seen in the cops' video footage of the basement, one went down the stairs & straight down the hall was the door to that room. You have No Idea about Why the Whites & the Ramseys were no longer friends. FYI - the light switch for that room was at an odd place because the house was from the 1920s & that room used to be a coal bin. John knew where that switch was & when he took x steps to the left & about half way in, the light switch fixture was on the other side of the pillar. When he did that the body was basically in front of him. Because he had stepped Inside, he was out of the doorway & the basement lights shone through. A test was carried out & it was proven that John could See.
Agree Boulder police I'm sure just wants time to pass an move on the police dispatcher the lady detective who told John to go around an look when a cop walked right by an didn't go into a separate basement room where later John found her the next door neighbor who heard a scream at 1 am didn't call police or patsy. Just a sad bunch of mistakes completely ruined forensics. Sometimes I can't help but think Boulder police was so convinced it was a cover up they just purposefully let forensics be ruined. Just an insanely sad story
IF you truly believed a stranger had been in your house while you were sleeping and made off with your daughter, you wouldn't send your other child up to his room by himself while you frantically dealt with it all. You'd have him glued to your side and refuse to let him out of your sight. You'd go with him to the bathroom. The fact that the parents sent Burke up to his room to be by himself for hours tells me they weren't too worried about strangers creeping around in their house.
Burke never moved from his bed At All deary til taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m. FYI - officer French arrived within 6 minutes of the Start of that desperate 911 call, Patsy had just got off the phone & John was running around trying to find where someone got in. French had them sit in the sunroom & he did a cursory look around then others arrived & officer Veitch. People do what the Cops Tell Them To DO. The cops left Burke in his room to save him from the Trauma going on downstairs. Oh Yeah, it would soo Normal for kidnappers to still be 'creeping around the house' after the parents get up & several Cops are There. Jeez. As usual, more Ignorant shite from someone Else who knows Nothing about this case except for what you read off the back of your cornflake box & clearly you're not very bright. Stick to the Cartoons.
@@ricardolozano5356 but if your child has been snatched away in the middle of the night while you were sleeping just down the hall, you don't think "Oh well. The danger has passed. The kidnapper has gone, so it's now safe to leave my other child unattended and unsupervised." You would feel so violated and terrified and protective of your other kid that you wouldn't let him out of your sight.
So whoever broke in spent the time to look for a pen and paper then sit there writing a two and a half page letter while the two parents and brother were all upstairs? That's a pretty calm and casual way to behave for someone who has broken in and killed a child, not in any rush. Makes me suspect at least one person in that house knew what happened and was involved.
There are Many reasons why kidnapping has Always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for quick Available cash & with others, that plan turned into a crime about revenge against John. This highly insidious set up was to implicate all Ramseys plus others around them, for good measure. The research began quite some before & that included - the Ramsey’s whole family, friends, associates, neighbours, well known violent movies about kidnapping plots as well as previous famous kidnapping cases & famous sadistic murders. This Plan, JB was Never going to be taken from the basement. It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called. They sure didn’t go to soo much trouble & take such high risks for nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money. From footage of the front of the house, it looks like a double storey Tudor style home. From the extensive renovations, that was a Huge 3 storey mansion - plus the basement that had multiple rooms. The butler’s kitchen was another level again, stairs either end to go down there but ground level, with the glass exit door. This section was situated along the side part of the house that was isolated & ran down the side of the garage. Unlike the other 3 sections that were basically all windows & glass doors, all 3 storeys. The room where JB was found in the basement, used to be a coal bin as the house was from the 1920s. Basically it was under the sunroom, front left corner if standing looking at the front of the house. The cellar was used for storage & the Xmas trees were kept in there. That was the only room in that whole house that was cement & didn’t have a window. Due to changes over the years & then the Ramsey’s renovations, as there was no window, that room wasn’t visible from the outside. To get to that room, one went down the basement to the bottom of the stairs, a turn to the left & straight down the hall where the door to that room at the end was straight ahead & clearly visible, as seen in the cops’ walk-thru videos. The stories about that as a hidden room are Not true. The stories about that room being known only to the family are Not true. Soo much BS still going around about this case, for 26 years & counting. Being from back in the day, the light switch fixture for that room was situated at an odd place, one had to step inside, take x many steps to the left & it was hanging from a cord on the other side of the beam, about halfway into the room. There was a doorknob but no lock. To Pull the door open, one had to firstly reach up to the top & flip the wooden latch up then pull on the doorknob. The basement was painted about 1 year prior. The palm print on the inside of that cellar door was never identified. The parent’s bedroom suite was the whole of the top storey. Burke’s room was at the front & basically under their bed. JB’s bedroom was 70 metres down from Burkes, through the playroom first & a couple of turns. The spiral staircase was across from but just near JB’s bedroom. That back staircase went down to the main living areas & the quickest route to the kitchen. The basement door was on that level & the entry to get there was near that staircase but up a hall that was separate to those living areas. The main staircase was near the front door. The slot for the mail was to the side of that door with a box to catch it underneath. The Ramseys would enter & exit the house through the garage & the mudroom was near that internal door. Visitors would use the front door or the back patio door that Patsy called the kitchen door. That door was 2 glass doors actually, as seen in photos, the door near that grate. The window for the alcove was next to that door, the alcove where the wall phone was situated.
The person used objects that were readily found nearby, that's not what a 'calculated' murderer would do so I agree with you. The note was long and I have read in other places that the handwriting is very similar to the mothers. Also, why would the murderer leave the body in the house? This is a sloppy crime scene and you can tell right away, so the family is super suspicious to me. I honestly think, and this is just opinion of mine, that one of the three did it. The mom just seems too suspicious the way she acts. A seriously innocent mother or father or family member would be crying their eyes out, making pleas and posters which this lady did not she was making interviews like she enjoyed them. I'm waiting for detectives to get the clear on taking that DNA from the "other two individuals" and using genetic geneology to find out who's blood it is, because really what criminal would want a ransom just to leave the body tied up and killed in the basement of the person's house??? Another thing, if you tase or tie someone up, they would be making a ton of noise, thrashing about, yelling and screaming and crying enough to wake up the people in the house. It's just too much to believe it was someone else.
@@brettwheeler7753 he’s been trying for YEARS to get the boulder PD to further test the DNA. Yet the boulder cops refuse. They are protecting someone in their ranks. The family was completely cleared. Why won’t the Boulder PD further test the evidence?
The head injury was not to "finish the job" - the autopsy showed that her brain had swelled - this means she likely was alive with the head injury for some time. The head injury absolutely came first. The ransom note was written on their stationary, with their pen (which was neatly put back - what a nice intruder!), and the writing was strikingly similar to Patsy's. I believe experts reviewed and found 23 out of 26 letters in the alphabet matched when they compared a sample of Patsy's writing to the note. Also not mentioned is how huge this house is and how an intruder would absolutely have to know the layout. It is not your typical home. Boulder police failed on this for so many reasons, one of which being that they rarely ever had murders. They average one a year. There were not violent pedophiles killing children near JonBenet. She lived in a pretty safe, rich community. Crime was absurdly low. I don't claim to know what happened, but whoever did this at the very least, knew the Ramsey's.
There was no 'head injury', there were Two separate severe fractures of the skull, the 1st was front to back & open to nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole, the skull piece was split in 2 & inside. The autopsy report did Not say that about the brain at all, because it is Not true. The authentic autopsy report can be found online, the 1st of 9 pages has the symbol for Boulder County, top left corner. No expert found 23 out of 26 letters in the alphabet that matched when they compared a sample of Patsy's writing the note, at all, did not happen, not true. JB was not killed by a paedophile as such, but by sadistic sociopaths who got off on torture tactics in relation to photos, meaning money, who also had no problems viciously strangling John's beloved daughter to death then committing the gross fractures to her head which were done for a Reason. Yes neighbours, 2 different houses, who the Ramseys did not know were even living in their street.
The writing was not decidedly strikingly similar to Patsy’s. The opposite is true. There may have been a minor similarity or two but it wasn’t Patsy’s handwriting. People just insist that it matched so they can keep pretending that a nine year old boy beat her to near death.
These comments are so obvious and to the point of common sense and an act you’d do as a normal human , reaction …👏🏻 Blow to the head potentially is what intentionally or by accident started the whole storyline to begin with. Whom did it and who covered it up is yet to be made history in confirmation. Yet the poor girl had to suffer until she reached the basement whilst the rest of the cruel act was being finalised to cover up such a dreadful act of cruelty. Knowing your daughter was alone. Dead. Cold and unloved at this point in your own home in a location you’d never wish to be yourself alive , is beyond me. Whether they slept knowing this or stayed awake is also beyond me. Is the bum print in the carpet a true fact , is this true. If so why wasn’t it made a obvious point in question. Size alone would determine roughly who it was left in the house. What a chilling act of lying in waiting this way if that were the case. Surely the carpet has dna on or recent salvia if they were nervous mouth twitching with their hands etc then touching the surrounding area ?? So many questions so little answers Writing of the note , if this bared such a resemblance to the ransom note written then why wasn’t she interviewed or questioned and the other letters gathered as proof or pursuance?? Layout of the house - that’s so true. When you go into someone’s home for the first time you pretty much have it buttoned down in one the layout as such , no matter the size. The intricate parts and specifics of hidden areas later unfold the more you go however the intruder supposed to knew it inside and out , where everything he or she needs and more is close by or to hand?? So many tell tale signs here 😮 What still also baffles me now is on the second search knowing police haven’t been their cause they never locked the house down and exempted all persons under police surveillance is that family and friends mopped up the house tidy and clean whisky the dad casually of all places went to the basement and around one corner to the other to such a small part of it hidden unless you knew it was their and found her!! Then clearly tempered with evidence and took her upstairs which normal reactions you would be then knowing the crime scene plotted in-house or not has been tempered with is crazy actions from a man of such high calibre and common sense?!?! Hinting at his bonus etc weirdly wanted to take the family via plane days after the event to where and for what reason. Escape and go on the run!!! Different country laws and conviction policies. Just a total injustice
No outside killer writes a 2 1/2 page letter to make demands . Once they have done their murder , they take off. It is absolutely clear, this sweet little girl was killed by someone in the Hause. It is so sad these people are so rich, and had no room for their little girl.
Yes, if there was a real kidnapping, she would logically have been taken from the home whether dead or alive, so the perpetrator(s) could get the ransom.
I think it's stupid to say that her MURDER was an accidental killing. She was garotted and beat on the head so hard it broke her skull in 2. That was NO accident.
@@fionameah3743 You should find the photo of the X-ray of this poor little girl’s skull that’s online & that alone will dispel all the BS 'bonk on the head' stories. TWO severe fractures, one front to back on the top & open to nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd, two weapons used to make the hole, the skull piece was split in 2 & inside the cavity. It is a fact that if Either of the fractures had occurred Before death, the skull would have been filled with blood, it Wasn't. And, that flashlight was Never a weapon used & did Not belong to the Ramseys anyway. The acts of torture to her privates were carried out on & off over a period of Hours with the complex made Bondage Device. JB was strangled to death when Patsy was calling 911 upstairs & THEN the gross damage to her head that was also pre-planned if the cops were called. And that is just the Basics of what the 17 & 24 year old Monsters did to this little girl & with their cohorts as look-outs, not far away. Not even One person talks about how Long it takes to strangle someone to death. The general public need to Comprehend that - NOBODY would try to disguise their writing, by Handwriting a 365 words & numbers Ransom note & use their Own notepad to do that & then tell the cops, detectives, seasoned homicide investigators & everyone else that they found the 3 pages spread out on one of the rungs of the back staircase - and For The Cops, would have just plopped the sharpie used in the pen cup & put the notepad on the hall table. More than one keystone cop was a Moron who fantasied about how to get a mansion instead of doing their Job & from there, the breeding of same morons, is evident at all sites about this case. The various Fake pages of writing ‘samples’ as If Patsy did that & as If from the police files, just another Rort. You the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s writing. Y’all need to Grow Up. The never ending made up salacious story telling began due to the BPD trying to cover up their total Incompetence & it continues unabated from nefarious a##wipes on utube shitshows for the purpose of Making Money from the ignorant, the gullible, the hateful & the Stupid. People in your country just Love to hate on their betters, that's why the tabloid magazines still proliferate. The never ending Fooltube videos about this poor little girl's family - one big fat tabloid magazine. One would think that you people would have wised up by now but No, it's too much fun to run every member of this fine upstanding family right down to the ground hey. Shame on you all. FYI - there are Many reasons why kidnapping has Always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for quick Available cash & with others, that plan turned into even more insidious events as a revenge crime against John. The totally twisted Set Up was to implicate all Ramseys plus others around them for good measure & the housekeeper too, who they Knew had a key. Their research began quite some before & that included - the Ramsey’s whole family, friends, associates & neighbours of course & then the study about well known violent movies about kidnapping plots & so the 5 movie quotes within the note. They were also in tune with previous famous kidnapping cases & famous sadistic murders. This Plan, JB was Never going to be taken from the basement. It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called. They sure didn’t go to soo much trouble & take such high risks for nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money. You kids can’t possibly Fathom what happened at Any stage because this crime hasn’t been a script for your one hour made up simple plot TV crime shows, that tell ya the beginning, the middle & the end. Then there’s the Fact that, like for soo many other Ignorant Ramsey bashers, True crime is clearly Way over your head, as it was for Many keystone cops who Played at working this case. The so-called ‘detectives’ who had Never worked a murder case before, Ever. You & your like watch a TV interview here & there &/or a Biased TV show or two & for some bizarre reason, you actually believe that You know Everything. People like You are the bane of society, make sure you’re Never on a jury. All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or Ollie Grey OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent. FYI - all Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago & finally Officially exonerated in 2008 due to all the evidence known at that time, over 200 pieces of, that Showed someone Was in that house. And, the investigation continued with Seasoned actual homicide investigators who had full Integrity & who worked tirelessly Unpaid, because Their sole purpose was to find a highly sadistic child killer. None wrote a book trying to line their own pockets. You, the general public know Nothing about the actual Case Evidence. The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly. Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re on the job. The DNA from one of the unknown male intruders was mixed in with one spot of JB's blood in the big underpants that he & his cohort put on her his Saliva has been in CODIS since 2003. That DNA did Match the DNA from under JB's pinkie fingernails & the DNA from 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. As of the results in 2016 with advanced forensics - the 2nd unknown male's DNA, also on the long-johns & he is hispanic. The cold case team also have the go-ahead to have both perps’ DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. One can only hope that this cold case team will have the same Integrity. And, that none will be after a book deal like certain officers from before, who are Totally responsible for every single vile accusation against all Ramsey family members that goes on & on still to this day for No sound reason At All.
Alot of people initially had similar thoughts, but I would say to you that is probably because of not knowing enough of the important details. For instance, 3 types of unknown male DNA were were found on JBR, including under her nails, and on her panties. The blood stain found on her panties were from an unknown male aswell. She was strangled with a garote which is not typical for a mum to strangle her beloved daughter with. When one considers the amount of love her mum showed her and the time she put into giving JBR a successful career it's seems ludicrous she would have any part in her murder. It was a set up made to look like the parents were involved. What makes you think that btw, apart from the note which really got most scratching their head.
I don't like those pageants at all but if you think that was sexy, YOU are the problem. You ate sexualizing her bc of her lipstick and costumes. Those little girls weren't dancing sexually. You're seeing it that way and that is far more concerning than the performance.
@sfletch3042 all of it! Bleaching a 6 year olds hair, dressing, and putting makeup 💄 on her like she's an adult, prancing around in front of strangers is not cool. Hope you aren't a mother if you think that's right!
If one of your children went missing surely you would search the house inch by inch ...several times ? I just can't understand how it took so long to find her .
simonflint61, I think the plan was to take her body out of the home when they left to go to Georgia, but the plans changed because the BPD told them not to leave Boulder.
@@freddie3206 They were to head to their holiday house in Charlevoix, In Fact & that's why they were up so early that morning. John Andrew, Melinda & her boyfriend were meeting them in Minneapolis then all flying together in the Ramsey's plane for a 2nd Xmas gift giving at that house. And they had a Pilot. So, stop spouting your ignorant Ridiculous crap over & over at soo many sites about a case that You Know Nothing About.
Yes, a flash of anger can cause fatal injuries. If the brother who may have had anger issues lost control of his emotions and beat the girl for instance, it would not be murder per se. It would be a sick child acting out on another child.
let's not forget that she was wrapped in her blanket that was in the dryer. No intruder knew that, and wouldn't care enough to wrap her up anyway. Also Burke's knife was hidden in a closet, but was used in basement to cut. No intruder knew where to find it. The fact that when 10:00 that morning came and parents didn't seem to care, when they should of been waiting for that call with baited breath, tells me everything, like they knew she was dead, and how, and where she was.
@@karenryder6317 Yes gathered from under the fingernails. But the problem is the ransom note. It was written inside the home and is long winded. What motive would some one have to to write those three pages? Its not believable that someone planning a kidnapping for ransom money would forget to come with a note. The only motive for the note would misdirection or to stage the scene. Someone pedo off the street who attempts a kidnaping and it goes wrong simply leaves the house. It either has to be an inside job or a frame up. If it is a frame up maybe some one who knew John and wanted revenge and paid another who was unknown to the parents to do the dirty work. It does not add up.
@@Xinjiekou_新街口_Station There are Many reasons why kidnapping has Always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for quick Available cash & with others, that plan turned into a crime about revenge against John. This highly insidious set up was to implicate all Ramseys plus others around them, for good measure. The research began quite some before & that included - the Ramsey’s whole family, friends, associates & neighbours of course & then the study about well known violent movies about kidnapping plots & so the 5 movie quotes within the note. They were also in tune with previous famous kidnapping cases & famous sadistic murders. This Plan, JB was Never going to be taken from the basement. It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called. They sure didn’t go to soo much trouble & take such high risks for nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money. From footage of the front of the house, it looks like a double storey Tudor style home. From the Ramsey’s extensive renovations, that was a Huge 3 storey mansion - plus the basement that had multiple rooms & heating, many big cupboards, water, a bathroom, a phone & 2 separate window exit points if needed. The butler’s kitchen was another level again, stairs either end to go down there but ground level, with the glass exit door. This section was situated along the side part of the house that was isolated & ran down the side of the garage. Unlike the other 3 sections that were basically all windows & glass doors, all 3 storeys. The cement rendered room where JB was found, used to be a coal bin as the house before renovations down the years, was from the 1920s. Basically that ‘cellar’ room was under the sunroom, front left corner if standing looking at the front of the house. That cellar was used for storage & along with some other things, the Xmas trees were kept in there. That was the only room in that whole house that Didn’t have a Window. Due to changes over the years & then the Ramsey’s renovations, as there was no window, that room wasn’t visible from the outside. To get to that room, one went down the basement to the bottom of the stairs & straight down the hall where the door to that room was Clearly visible, as seen in the cops’ walk-thru videos. The stories about that as a hidden room are Not true. The stories about that room being known only to the family are Not true. Soo much BS still going around about this case, for 26 years & counting. Being from back in the day, the light switch for that room was situated at an odd place, one had to step inside, take x many steps to the left & the light switch fixture was hanging from a cord on the other side of the beam, about halfway into the room. There was a doorknob on that door but no lock. To Pull the door open, one had to firstly reach up to the top & flip the wooden latch up then pull on the doorknob. The basement was painted about 1 year prior. The palm print on the inside of that cellar door was never identified. There were many items of evidence in that room besides the Hi-Tec Shoeprint, that was Not a boot. There was also another different partial shoeprint on the other side. The perps were listening to Patsy call 911 on another phone. The laundry room was situated at the stair end of the basement, with the big washing machine plus the big clothes dryer. A black phone was on the end of the bench near the doorway opposite the washing machine. The perps put that black & white photo of when Patsy won Miss West Virginia, stuck to the wall above that phone. A second washer & dryer were upstairs near JB’s room then an ironing/work room with a sink. The boiler room in the basement had the window with the bars on it, front of the house. The rest of the wall to the right, most of the cellar was on the other side. There was a pipe vent that went out the top of the boiler room window. The short shrill scream from JB was heard by a neighbour at about 1.30 a.m., because she lived directly across the road & had her bedroom window open a bit. The scream was from JB when first taken to the boiler room, as the cord was quickly released from her neck. A test was carried out & it was proven that no scream could be heard upstairs from the basement. The perps went out of the house for a while because of that scream then went back in. From the very top of the steep hill at the end of the street, one could see the whole area. These 2 vicious perps had 2 cohorts as look-outs. The parent’s bedroom suite was the whole of the top storey. Burke’s room was at the front & basically under their bed. JB’s bedroom was 70 metres down from Burkes, through the playroom first & a couple of turns. The spiral staircase was across from but just near JB’s bedroom. That back spiral staircase went down to the main living areas & the quickest route to the kitchen. The basement door was on that level & the entry to get there was near that staircase but up a hall that was separate to those living areas. The main staircase was near the front door. The slot for the mail was to the side of that door with a box to catch it underneath. The Ramseys would enter & exit the house through the garage & the mudroom was near that internal door. Visitors would use the front door or the back patio door that Patsy called the kitchen door. That door was 2 glass doors actually, as seen in photos, the door near that grate. The window for the alcove was next to that door, the alcove where the wall phone was situated that Patsy used to call 911. That wall phone had a good length cord & the cradle for the handset was metal. The note was moved to & spread out on the floor just by that alcove doorway, John was on his knees by the door reading it over & over. When the operator asked Patsy who sent it (lol), Patsy leant out the doorway a bit & could See the Big writing at the bottom of the 3rd page. Because it was Last as a signage, the S.B.T.C caught her attention First, then she saw the word Victory. They were up so early that morning when still Dark, because they were to go to their holiday house in Charlevoix, on their private plane & so, the pilot had that plane ready. JB was found after 1 p.m. & John was told they had to leave as the house was then a Crime Scene. In Front of a cop, John called his pilot wanting to get to some sort of Safety & to Family in Atlanta, two perfectly Normal things to want to do. That cop relayed what he heard to the PD & John was told they couldn’t leave so they stayed with friends in Boulder with police around them 24/7. Those various police officers were around the family & visitors for a week & officially stated that the Ramseys were deeply grieving parents & there was nothing adverse to report.
@@Xinjiekou_新街口_Station The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. *Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.* The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys. FYI - I tell the True Facts about this case, pay attention.
@@bethryan9077 My whole point is that if Patsy did not write the note (I am willing to believe this) then it has to be a frame up (barring the "Linda and others" ransom scenario). There has to be a motive to write that note. If she did not write it then it was staged to look as though she wrote it.
@chriscuomo9334 I don’t see Anyone railing against all those who Make Up from their sick Heads, all the despicable garbage, which is them Accusing JonBenet Herself, of all the Vile incest & paedophile acts that they conjure up with Glee & post proudly. Of the Hundreds of such comments & Stories that I’ve read from these abhorrent so-called human beings, Nobody says a friggin Thing to them. What a National Disgrace. Hang on that’s right, Lots of Other so-called human beings Do say certain things to them, they Agree with them. And because they’re of the Same Ilk, they’re Bolstered to post Their sick thought processes about the same Vile acts, incest & paedophilia, all about this Child, including 9 year old Burke sometimes & no-one rebukes them in Any way. There was never one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually molested Nor one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually abused. Not one Skerrick about Burke either. Yet the Ramseys & their Kids are very cruelly subjected to a round-robin of particularly grotesque accusations that include - child sacrifice, satanic worship scenarios, pedos at the garden parties, selling their child, their friends being Allowed to abuse their child, society members being Allowed to abuse their child including Of Course, Epstein & so on & so on - on it goes, Incessantly. According to the same so-called human beings, because the Ramseys were wealthy at the time, all of the above is what they did with their spare time. Nobody Ever mentions that the Ramseys had deep faith in God & were avid church goers. One can pop over to the many videos about the Chris Watt’s murder case. Let me know when you find Anyone who has posted Any comment about Him sexually abusing his little girls Or any other comment about a gang of his friends who did the same & worse. Of all the Hundreds of videos about same subject & victimology, Nobody talks about Any of Those kids as soo many do about This, highly intelligent 6 year old murdered little girl. Shame on you.
I lived nearby at the time, and the Boulder police had no experience with murder cases, let alone a high profile one. It was botched from the very beginning.
@@louse_mouse So, according to Your thought processes - John paid off about 20 police & detectives, 3 DAs & assistant DAs from more than one jurisdiction & then Michael Dougherty, multiple seasoned investigators, the best criminal profiler in the country, one of the best homicide investigators in the country, at least one Federal Court Judge, many top forensic scientists from several labs over a span of 26 years, many expert crime scene techs, top forensic pathologists, now CeCe Moore, JB's paediatrician, FBI agents including those in charge of CODIS, Paula Woodward plus many other investigative journalists, lots of friends & acquaintances including neighbours, work colleagues, at least 2 Secret Service agents, 4 renowned private writing analysts, both of their pilots, many of their neighbours, plus the innumerable high cost attorneys in charge of multiple litigation cases as well as all the representations for himself & Patsy & many of the family in relation to a number of reasons & that's just off the top of my head. REALLY? Just go back to Sleep.
They did search the house. They went into the basement, tried to open the door but could not. Reason, the wooden latch at the top was covered with a Christmas wreath to hide it. On one of John's trips to the basement, he removed it.
They did want it solved, but the DAs are so afraid of getting sued plus they knew they would not be able to get a conviction without knowing which one of the Ramseys actually killed her. I think they should've arrested Patsy for writing the letter, they proved that, then give her a plea deal if she finally gives the whole story.
They are protecting themselves. Their incompetence let two obviously guilty people skate free. Instead of admitting their mistakes and acknowledging them so that others may learn from them, they pretend the real killers are out there somewhere. Its laughable.
I have no idea who killed that little girl, but I do think her mother was a very disturbed person who basically turned her kid into a puppet and pushed the child beauty contest crap on the child for her own reasons or gratification. I find it really creepy when I see a little girl all made up and clothed like some adult fashion model or worse, while she should be goofing around and having fun with other kids her age. A little kid romping around and laughing is heart warming. They need to be kids and do just that. Sad, crazy, and all kinds of wrong here.
There are a gross number of people who are murdered in the home when other people are there sleeping. Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s, coal cellar still in situ, no window. There are a gross number of those killers who have Never been Caught. Only JB’s family are Treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, of Course. None of you have read ANY Case Evidence, you watch TV & pick out the bits that Suit Your Character. Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household. Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you Criminal Geniuses for 26 Years & without even Any mercy for their tortured then murdered Child. THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who suffered in silence & even More So due to the high number of Monstrous people in the public domain. What part of Exonerated do you Not understand? You should all have a Really good look at Yourselves in the Mirror, the rest of the world sure Is. BTW - those who actually Knew this little girl attested to the Fact that she Loved performing & it is Very clear that she was a natural talent having great Fun. Only those with twisted minds would see her Beautiful outfits as some made up adult fashion model & everyone Knows that you mean in saying 'or worse'. Shame on you. It would be Very interesting to conduct a survey in the U.S., to find out the percentage of the Ramsey bashers who Do NOT Have - a Four storey 7,000 square foot Mansion - nor 2 private planes, a designer built yacht, a centrefold holiday house & money to Burn. Envy is a Sin you know.
@@lauraozburn3871 Patsy was a Beautiful very well brought up woman who had Class & she was very well spoken because she was particularly Intelligent. Those who actually KNEW Her said she was very kind, very caring, very loving, very generous & the life of the party. At the same time, she showed all women around the World how to be a Lady even within the depths of great tragedy And that is was important for gals to be Forthright as well as to be able to stick up for themselves. Great role model In Fact. Jealous much?
@@bethryan9077 ya People brake in a write a three page letter you're so inbred you'd believe she's a lady cause she uses her daughter like a puppet a extension of her ego you watch you're men screw slaves and say we're fineladys you keep people to raise you're babies youre so fine you southerners make slaves milk you're babies makes me sick but ya all sure look pretty don't ya .
@@holm911 The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would try to disguise some letters of their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* Some cops also had moron syndrome. The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly. Last year a cold case team were put together & are on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both perps’ DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys. Now go play.
I do not think so and never did. People react in different ways to tragedies. Some people smile because they are nervous, some people fall apart.....I always try to hold myself together so I might appear uncaring, but I do that so I don't completely fall apart. I have had a lot of loss in my life, and I guess I have learned how to deal with it so as to keep my sanity and do what I have to do. I think it was a deranged intruder.
Why would someone write a ransom note, then leave her dead body in the basement? Even if they had accidentally killed her, you would think they would still take the body in order the get the money. Someone inside that house knows what happened
There are Many reasons why kidnapping has Always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for quick Available cash & with others, that plan turned into a crime about revenge against John. This highly insidious set up was to implicate all Ramseys plus others around them, for good measure. The research began quite some before & that included - the Ramsey’s whole family, friends, associates & neighbours of course & then the study about well known violent movies about kidnapping plots & so the 5 movie quotes within the note. They were also in tune with previous famous kidnapping cases & famous sadistic murders. This Plan, JB was Never going to be taken from the basement. It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called. They sure didn’t go to soo much trouble & take such high risks for nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money. From footage of the front of the house, it looks like a double storey Tudor style home. From the Ramsey’s extensive renovations, that was a Huge 3 storey mansion - plus the basement that had multiple rooms & heating, many big cupboards, water, a bathroom, a phone & 2 separate window exit points if needed. The butler’s kitchen was another level again, stairs either end to go down there but ground level, with the glass exit door. This section was situated along the side part of the house that was isolated & ran down the side of the garage. Unlike the other 3 sections that were basically all windows & glass doors, all 3 storeys. The cement rendered room where JB was found, used to be a coal bin as the house before renovations down the years, was from the 1920s. Basically that ‘cellar’ room was under the sunroom, front left corner if standing looking at the front of the house. That cellar was used for storage & along with some other things, the Xmas trees were kept in there. That was the only room in that whole house that Didn’t have a Window. Due to changes over the years & then the Ramsey’s renovations, as there was no window, that room wasn’t visible from the outside. To get to that room, one went down the basement to the bottom of the stairs & straight down the hall where the door to that room was Clearly visible, as seen in the cops’ walk-thru videos. The stories about that as a hidden room are Not true. The stories about that room being known only to the family are Not true. Soo much BS still going around about this case, for 26 years & counting. Being from back in the day, the light switch for that room was situated at an odd place, one had to step inside, take x many steps to the left & the light switch fixture was hanging from a cord on the other side of the beam, about halfway into the room. There was a doorknob on that door but no lock. To Pull the door open, one had to firstly reach up to the top & flip the wooden latch up then pull on the doorknob. The basement was painted about 1 year prior. The palm print on the inside of that cellar door was never identified. There were many items of evidence in that room besides the Hi-Tec Shoeprint, that was Not a boot. There was also another different partial shoeprint on the other side. The perps were listening to Patsy call 911 on another phone. The laundry room was situated at the stair end of the basement, with the big washing machine plus the big clothes dryer. A black phone was on the end of the bench near the doorway opposite the washing machine. The perps put that black & white photo of when Patsy won Miss West Virginia, stuck to the wall above that phone. A second washer & dryer were upstairs near JB’s room then an ironing/work room with a sink. The boiler room in the basement had the window with the bars on it, front of the house. The rest of the wall to the right, most of the cellar was on the other side. There was a pipe vent that went out the top of the boiler room window. The short shrill scream from JB was heard by a neighbour at about 1.30 a.m., because she lived directly across the road & had her bedroom window open a bit. The scream was from JB when first taken to the boiler room, as the cord was quickly released from her neck. A test was carried out & it was proven that no scream could be heard upstairs from the basement. The perps went out of the house for a while because of that scream then went back in. From the very top of the steep hill at the end of the street, one could see the whole area. These 2 vicious perps had 2 cohorts as look-outs. The parent’s bedroom suite was the whole of the top storey. Burke’s room was at the front & basically under their bed. JB’s bedroom was 70 metres down from Burkes, through the playroom first & a couple of turns. The spiral staircase was across from but just near JB’s bedroom. That back spiral staircase went down to the main living areas & the quickest route to the kitchen. The basement door was on that level & the entry to get there was near that staircase but up a hall that was separate to those living areas. The main staircase was near the front door. The slot for the mail was to the side of that door with a box to catch it underneath. The Ramseys would enter & exit the house through the garage & the mudroom was near that internal door. Visitors would use the front door or the back patio door that Patsy called the kitchen door. That door was 2 glass doors actually, as seen in photos, the door near that grate. The window for the alcove was next to that door, the alcove where the wall phone was situated that Patsy used to call 911. That wall phone had a good length cord & the cradle for the handset was metal. The note was moved to & spread out on the floor just by that alcove doorway, John was on his knees by the door reading it over & over. When the operator asked Patsy who sent it (lol), Patsy leant out the doorway a bit & could See the Big writing at the bottom of the 3rd page. Because it was Last as a signage, the S.B.T.C caught her attention First, then she saw the word Victory. They were up so early that morning when still Dark, because they were to go to their holiday house in Charlevoix, on their private plane & so, the pilot had that plane ready. JB was found after 1 p.m. & John was told they had to leave as the house was then a Crime Scene. In Front of a cop, John called his pilot wanting to get to some sort of Safety & to Family in Atlanta, two perfectly Normal things to want to do. That cop relayed what he heard to the PD & John was told they couldn’t leave so they stayed with friends in Boulder with police around them 24/7. Those various police officers were around the family & visitors for a week & officially stated that the Ramseys were deeply grieving parents & there was nothing adverse to report. Here’s your issue, you can’t possibly Fathom what happened at Any stage because this crime hasn’t been a script for your one hour made up simpleton TV crime shows, that tell ya the ending. Then there’s the fact, like for soo many others, True crime is clearly Way over your head. Make sure you’re Never on a jury.
Well think for a second. It most likely a well planned staged frame kidnap for ransom money that turned murder when JB screamed late at night a neighbor clearly heard the scream the kidnapper panicked fear of being caught quickly murdered JB an left knowing no money turned murder they definitely got away with it. Even if it was a family accident cover up they got away with it. It not even debatable was 1 or the other.
I saw an interview with LT. Joe Kenda of the Homicide Hunter tv series. He was called in to review the case after the fact. He said that the local police had done such a shabby job at the crime scene that the evidence was compromised and the case can never be successfully prosecuted.
They are currently examining DNA again. But the police/detectives nor DA have an obligation to inform the public of everything they find. Just like the Delphi case. People already have their minds made up due to the media. The DA has the right to build a case without public opinion to muddy their strategy.
The detective Linda Arndt was absolutely creeped out by the behavior of Jon Benet's father. At some point, while waiting for a call from the kidnapper, the police told John Ramsey to search the house one more time. He went with his long time friend who was almost shocked by John's fast and determined descent into the maze of the basement, were, in a complete darkness, he quickly "found" the body of his daughter. Upon his return into the living room Linda Arndt was horrified by the way John was carrying his dead daughter: he held the stiff little body in front of him at a distance, like a wooden doll.
@@lackerbitandersson6241 Fleet White went down the basement early that morning but didn't tell anyone he did that. He later said that his little girl went missing x long before this event & after searching everywhere she was found under her bed. So his story went. He was interviewed more than once about his actions for the morning of the 26th & at his own house as well & he was losing it by the time they all travelled to Atlanta for the funeral, where he carried a gun. There was an incident at Patsy's parent's house because he wasn't coping. He was interviewed 17 times in total & went to the governor eventually to demand that a grand jury be convened to save his own ass. Even when he & John went down the basement at 1 p.m., Fleet never said anything about having been down the basement already. He later told the cops that when he was down there, he had flipped the latch down from above & pulled open the cellar door but it was pitch dark, he couldn't find the light switch & walked away. Being a coal bin/cellar originally, that cement room had no windows & the light fixture was in an odd place, one had to step inside, go left for x many steps & it was on the other side of a beam about half way down. 3 cops were down the basement early that morning at Different times. French couldn’t flip the latch down that was at the top of the cellar door so he walked away. Reichenbach pulled the door knob, it had a bit of give he said, he walked away. So, for this reason alone, made what Fleet said later, Very suspicious. Weiss was down there taking photos. Fleet nor any cops went through the train room door either & so to those windows in the craft’s room where one was broken. The perps did Not enter or exit through that window, but that is Not the point. The BPD have always kept That fact hidden from the public also - their cops didn’t know about those windows in the basement at all & Nobody was looking for JB, they were tasked to check entry & exit points. It wasn't til that evening when the cops went back that they saw the broken window & that's Why the 'famous' photo of the open window was taken in the Night. John was also down the basement before 8 that morning because he knew someone could get in that window as he done in the summer when he locked himself out of the house. He had broken that window, reached in to unlock it & then got through there, as he had done before. Those windows couldn't be obviously seen from ground level & that one was the cheapest to fix. The morning of the 26th, he saw the broken window was open a fraction & he locked it. He saw the suitcase against the wall under the window & thought that was odd because he had put it in the cupboard under the stairs down there a while before Xmas & said he was sure it was empty. He had to get back upstairs in case the call came in, 8-10, though the note said Tomorrow. He knew at least one cop had been down the basement & presumed he had checked out that window. When he first went to go in the train room door, there was a chair-stool against the door & a few things next to it, also against the door. He moved the chair to the side & went through. When he came out, he put the chair back as it was. The broken window & the suitcase being where he saw it was bothering him in those hours waiting but he Thought the cops Knew. Like most people, one trusts that the cops know what they're doing but he was to find out later that no cop had seen those windows & so the broken one, even when going around the outside with a flashlight. When Fleet told John that Arndt had said for them to go look around for anything out of place, John took Fleet to show him that window & he told him how he had broken it ages before & why. They were on the floor looking for any glass at all. They had checked the 2 cupboards in that co-joined room first. John noticed fresh paint off the keyhole of the one that used to be an elevator. That was a self locking door & if someone got in there & shut it they couldn't get out. Many days later, the inside of the door was found to have been damaged, being 2 splits down the inside of it that wasn't like that before. The basement had been painted about 1 year previously. When John got up off the floor to walk out of the craft's room, Fleet moved the suitcase away from the wall & found one tiny piece of glass there & put it on top of the suitcase. That's Why the suitcase was in That position, re; the photo. John didn't see Fleet do that. When they went to enter the train room door, the chair was to the side in the hall & a small table was against the door with an Easter basket on top of it & a few other things, so gear was still blocking the door. The broken window was wide open. The Facts Are - the perps put the chair & items against the train room door to block it & the cops thought it was a cupboard & walked past it. When the cops left, the perps went back into that room & one scooted up to try & see where the cops were on that side of the house. He dropped the truckies' mirror that they used for seeing around corners & that can be seen in crime scene photos, against the wall under the window. Because the cops’ video footage was done in the night, the camera had the light on at the front & the round glass object there is shining. The perps were exiting the train room door & they moved the chair to the hall & put the table against the door with the basket & stuff on top & other things either side, so it was still blocked. The moving of the chair & table served the purpose. The reason why the cops couldn't flip the latch down - the perps had a device to hold the latch in place. The items used were picked up by the crime scene techs but it wasn't known Then what those items were about. From what John noticed that morning & at 1 p.m. & from what he was told later, he tried to tell the cops that someone must have been in the basement when the cops were down there, he was ignored, he was Right. The perps had already placed & moved Many things in the basement & all over the house. This led to a blame game, like a 3-ringed circus, in relation to Fleet, the housekeeper & both of them attributing some of the factors, back to the Ramseys. One needs to know that cops ask questions, they don't say Why a question is asked & they don't get back to that person with any resolution about Whatever, so all parties were kept in the dark & so, forever suspicious of each other. Patsy & John did Not believe Fleet was involved but they had questions due to Fleet’s behaviour, up to & including in Atlanta & even after that. It was the Whites who stopped talking to the Ramseys, not the other way around. I feel very sorry for the White family also, they were caught up in the whole fiasco with cops who were not only totally incompetent for this very complex case, they were ever deceitful to cover up all that they did & Didn't do that morning & so, the BS began with false & misleading information being leaked to the media & the cops hiding evidence of an intruder, including the DNA from one, that was under JB’s fingernails & this Fact was kept Hidden from the public as well as from the DA for 7 months. Subsequently, further results over the years as forensic science advanced, a second male perp & in total, several places on JB’s person, so, the DNA from both child killers, skin cells, saliva & touch. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003. What have the cops been hiding for years Now? The fact that their cops who were present that morning, should have Caught two highly sadistic child killers!
Are you serious the detective Linda is the creepiest person ever. There is something seriously wrong with that person & the investigation as a whole it’s hilarious someone would take her word on anything. Also did you people not watch the video or learn anything about the case outside of tabloids & tv shows? The family was ruled out many times over.
There's no way of knowing due to the botched crime scene. The family's total lack of anger over their child's death, their unwillingness to cooperate with authorities, and their hiring of a PR firm doesn't do them any favors.
@@XCodeHelpHub They most certainly Did have anger over their child's death, they most certainly Did cooperate with authorities & they did Not hire a PR firm. Again, none of that shit is True! You're just someone else who knows Nothing about this case but who gets off on posting the False information that you got off the back of your cornflake box. There's a whole train load of people like you who should stick to the Simpsons reruns.
@@XCodeHelpHub The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. NOBODY would try to disguise their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! More than one Incompetent cop had moron syndrome so this case was Never going to be solved.. The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or Ollie Grey OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.* The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly. Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both intruders DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. One can only hope that this cold case team will have Integrity. And, that none will be after a book deal like certain officers from before, who are Totally responsible for every single Unfounded accusation against all Ramsey family members that goes on & on still to this day for No sound reason At All. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys. Now go play.
The Portuguese police just apologised to the McCanns in person. The German police have stated they hold the person responsible for abducting Madeleine McCann. If you doubt that, you don't know the professionalism of the German police.The Boulder police, it has been widely proven, botched the crime scene, failed to take samples or conduct a professional search for the child. What part of any of that don't you get???@@chicagomike4587
@@chicagomike4587 Yeah in the blighted eyes of all you Victim Bashers, John & Patsy must come across as dumb & dumber hey & obviously both being Dumbos, they dropped a trail of breadcrumbs that led straight to Themselves & also according to your ever so proud Cult of Ramsey Bashers, apparently being absolute Imbeciles, they must have had No Idea that Colorado had the Death Penalty. FYI - there are a gross number of adults & kids who are murdered in the home when the occupants are there sleeping. Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s with the former coal cellar still in situ underground & so, No Window. There are a gross number of those murderers who have Never been Caught. Only JonBenet’s family are treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, Of Course. None of you have Read ANY Case Evidence, you’ve just watched TV & picked out the bits that Suit your personality type & then bang on with a load of garbage about a crime that you know Nothing about & do your best to constantly denigrate these very kind people who you Never KNEW. Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household. Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you now Criminal Geniuses & Incessantly for over 26 Years, without even any Respect for the murdered Child. THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who had to suffer in silence & even More So due to certain members of the Boulder PD who got great Enjoyment from deliberately leaking false & misleading information to the media, for no other reason than to save their own Incompetent asses. You should all be Ashamed of yourselves, the rest of the world Sure IS. Only absolute Morons would believe that someone would Handwrite a particularly violent ransom note yet first stop to think up 5 quotes from 5 violent movies about kidnapping scenarios & go on to do all that using their Own notepad paper plus their Own marker & Then leave both of those items near their phone For The COPS!. Steve Thomas started all this Abysmal fiasco against this whole family by blaming JB’s mother for no other reason than a fn notepad. He was in Fact nothing but a Useless adversary with Plans to cash in from the very Beginning. He tried Very hard to pave his way in gold, he Failed at that also. Many followed his lead by playing the Paid Piper game & so, the same shit from soo many ugly mouth victim bashers is Still hitting the fan on fooltube. And then there’s all those You who are being monitored & at least will Never be allowed to sit on any jury. BTW deary, there is Nothing to say that Maddie is even deceased so all that you guttersnipes spout about Her poor parents also is - Moot.
You seeing them as sex objects is the red flag. Idk if it's internalized misogyny or what but makeup and costumes doesn't equal sex. It's so insanely weird to say that. 😂You are sexualizing them. No one involved in the pageant world sees it as sexual. You must not be from the south. I don't like them and wouldn't participate bc it focuses too much on superficial things, but not bc I think it's sexual. I find it so odd to see little girls sexually then blame their parents for that.
So the word suicide gets bleeped out, while so much language describing the brutal murder and possible sexual assault of a 6 year old girl is left in?! This world we’re living in is getting so crazy.
He could be just socially awkward or on the autism spectrum. I don't believe he killed her. The parents covered for one or each other. Jon Ramsey however does creep me out.
@@OUTTA-TYME88 The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. * Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. They were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never SEEN Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. N.B. *Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, the Case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this 6 year old Child *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
The parents were obviously letting someone molest their daughter. The person got carried away and killed her. Pretty hard to wrap one’s head around but it’s all there. The beauty pageant was just a way to market her.
Hopefully you never sit on a jury then...people like you are the reason there're innocent people in prison. There is ZERO evidence the Ramseys were involved with JB's murder. ZERO.
So you are saying you are going to believe what you want to believe regardless of any DNA or any other evidence to the contrary. That's a closed-minded and rather irrational way to believe.
@@chrisrae5863 The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. *Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.* The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys. If you’re actually a tax payer, well, You’re paying. LMAO.
@christrae DNA left at the crime scene eliminated ALL Ramseys, and hundreds of other suspects. CODIS only accepts high-level, identifiable DNA into its database. It accepted the DNA found in several spots on different surfaces of different clothing as belonging to a mix of two people: JonBenét plus one intruder. All Ramseys were ruled out as being a contributor to the mix. The same DNA was used to positively exclude numerous suspects, such as Michael Helgoth, Chris Wolf, Randy Simons, Glenn Meyer, Gary Oliva, John Mark Karr, (who confessed to the crime) Santa Bill McReynolds, Linda Hoffman-Pugh, Mervyn Pugh, and numerous others. If you believe that the DNA doesn't count, how could it have been used to clear anyone? You can write insignificant statements and lies for days, it doesn't change the fact that the Ramseys are innocent and have been cleared. Boulder Police do not consider the Ramseys suspects, and the heinous homicide of this little girl is an open and on-going investigation. #factsmatter #dotheresearch #justiceforjonbenetandherfamily
The Ramseys were Proven Innocent way back when the wheel was invented then officially & Very publicly Exonerated in 2008 - with a mountain of Actual evidence & by a whole bunch of Actual experts under the umbrella of Law Enforcement, including expert DNA scientists. Chet Ubowski from the CBI decided that a few of the letters within that printed note were similar to Patsy's print writing of the same letters & the flame was lit. Loads of unscrupulous dimwits have made Loads of Money from a note that Patsy did Not write. Nobody would Handwrite 365 words & numbers to form a 3 page ridiculous ransom note & do that on their Own notepad plus use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops. NOBODY! Patsy was Not an Imbecile but this case has shown that there are a humungous amount of people who Are. Police do Not hand over their Case Evidence to journalists, TV producers, radio hosts, writers of books Or utube promoters Or any outside 'influencers'. This case has Never been to something called a Trial. You people know absolutely Nothing besides tabloid Fodder.
Especially when we consider that it happened at Christmas. Emotions are heightened, and most people spend it with their families. Why would an abductor choose a quite day when most people are at home and notice strangers easier. ???
They had multiple open or unlocked windows in Colorado at Christmas? I live in Colorado and it's cold here. There's no way I'd have an open window here at that time of year. The police in that part of Colorado are notorious for being inept and corrupt. Hopefully independent investigators are taking that into consideration.
@@jackrosario9990 There are Many reasons why kidnapping has Always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for quick Available cash & with others, that plan turned into a crime about revenge against John. This highly insidious set up was to implicate all Ramseys plus others around them, for good measure. The research began quite some before & that included - the Ramsey’s whole family, friends, associates, neighbours, well known violent movies about kidnapping plots as well as previous famous kidnapping cases & famous sadistic murders. This Plan, JB was Never going to be taken from the basement. It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called. They sure didn’t go to soo much trouble & take such high risks for nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money. From footage of the front of the house, it looks like a double storey Tudor style home. From the extensive renovations, that was a Huge 3 storey mansion - plus the basement that had multiple rooms. The butler’s kitchen was another level again, stairs either end to go down there but ground level, with the glass exit door. This section was situated along the side part of the house that was isolated & ran down the side of the garage. Unlike the other 3 sections that were basically all windows & glass doors, all 3 storeys. The room where JB was found in the basement, used to be a coal bin as the house was from the 1920s. Basically it was under the sunroom, front left corner if standing looking at the front of the house. The cellar was used for storage & the Xmas trees were kept in there. That was the only room in that whole house that was cement & didn’t have a window. Due to changes over the years & then the Ramsey’s renovations, as there was no window, that room wasn’t visible from the outside. To get to that room, one went down the basement to the bottom of the stairs, a turn to the left & straight down the hall where the door to that room at the end was straight ahead & clearly visible, as seen in the cops’ walk-thru videos. The stories about that as a hidden room are Not true. The stories about that room being known only to the family are Not true. Soo much BS still going around about this case, for 26 years & counting. Being from back in the day, the light switch fixture for that room was situated at an odd place, one had to step inside, take x many steps to the left & it was hanging from a cord on the other side of the beam, about halfway into the room. There was a doorknob but no lock. To Pull the door open, one had to firstly reach up to the top & flip the wooden latch up then pull on the doorknob. The basement was painted about 1 year prior. The palm print on the inside of that cellar door was never identified. The parent’s bedroom suite was the whole of the top storey. Burke’s room was at the front & basically under their bed. JB’s bedroom was 70 metres down from Burkes, through the playroom first & a couple of turns. The spiral staircase was across from but just near JB’s bedroom. That back staircase went down to the main living areas & the quickest route to the kitchen. The basement door was on that level & the entry to get there was near that staircase but up a hall that was separate to those living areas. The main staircase was near the front door. The slot for the mail was to the side of that door with a box to catch it underneath. The Ramseys would enter & exit the house through the garage & the mudroom was near that internal door. Visitors would use the front door or the back patio door that Patsy called the kitchen door. That door was 2 glass doors actually, as seen in photos, the door near that grate. The window for the alcove was next to that door, the alcove where the wall phone was situated. Here’s your issue, you can’t possibly Fathom what happened at Any stage because this crime hasn’t been a script for your one hour made up TV crime shows, that tell ya the ending. Then there’s the Fact that, like for soo many others, True crime is clearly Way over your head.
This family was abnormal. Everyone covered for each other,no one was believable. The older brother laughed during an interview (As if it were a joke)...they blamed a department store Santa Claus,and everyone played dumb! Who dresses a child like a woman in her 30s and puts her on stage? This was a demented family!
Yeah John & Patsy came across as dumb & dumber hey & obviously both being So dumb, they dropped a trail of breadcrumbs that led straight to Themselves because according to all you Ramsey bashers, apparently they were such absolute Imbeciles, they also had No Idea that Colorado had the Death Penalty. There are a gross number of people who are murdered in the home when other people are there sleeping. Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s, coal cellar still in situ, no window. There are a gross number of those killers who have Never been Caught. Only JB’s family are Treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, of Course. None of you have read ANY Case Evidence, you watch TV & pick out the bits that Suit Your Character. Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household. Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you Criminal Geniuses for 26 Years & without even Any mercy for their tortured then murdered Child. THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who suffered in silence & even More So due to the high number of Monstrous people in the public domain. What part of Exonerated do you Not understand? You should all have a Really good look at Yourselves in the Mirror, the rest of the world sure Is. . If the public knew Everything that these vilest of sociopaths Really did to this little 6 year old Child & all that they did to her went on for Hours, plus everything that they did in that house, You the public would - Freak the hell out. People say ‘these types of cases’, in relation to children found deceased - there has Never been a case like this one. Putting the note aside - the crime was ultimately murder & the body was found in the home. Predominantly, the statistics about kids who are found murdered are in relation to - junkies, alcoholics, meth heads, mental health illnesses, divorce, paedophiles, the underprivileged, serial killers, step-fathers & then mothers who got a new boyfriend who didn’t want kids around. The Ramseys happened to be wealthy at the time - this is what their money got them - never to see the inside of their wonderful home ever again, total destruction of their day to day lives & on medication daily. Whilst the keystone Cops were - deliberately putting out False & Misleading information about them to the media, the Cops constantly accusing them of their child’s murder & the Cops lining up a grand jury to see if they could get them Both indicted for the torture & murder of their Own Child yet the Cops had Zero evidence against them. But people say, that their money Bought the cops. Doh. They went Broke trying to find the killer of their Precious child. It would be Very interesting to conduct a survey in the U.S., to find out the percentage of the Ramsey bashers who Do NOT Have - a Four storey 7,000 square foot Mansion - nor 2 private planes, a designer built yacht, a centrefold holiday house & money to Burn. Envy is a Sin you know.
So to hell with facts? Just make a bunch of vague comments followed up by a lie and judging something that was completely normal at the time to todays norms? I think you are the abnormal and demented one.
@@dmmice2344 Burke is a traumatised Victim, people like You who bang on with more & more Ignorant crap about him, his parents & his little sister, make his life so much Worse.
Allowing outside people to disrupt the crime scene, having John search the house without a police presence with him, and overall bungling of the case have marred the potential of solving it. I wonder why the family wasn't held in place while awaiting for more police, and no perimeter being established to keep people out was put in place?
Don't forget, this was in Boulder, CO. I lived there for ten years, just a couple of streets from where this happened. They had no experience with a violent crime like this. The city was considered to be very safe. Until it wasn't. They could have asked for help. But they didn't. The case was completely bungled. I wish that dear little girl would get justice. At this point, the odds are that she never will.
The Ramsey’s called friends to flood the house before the police got there. Any intelligent person would know the house had evidence and inviting people to contaminate the scene would reduce the odds of the killer being caught.
@@marilyndee969 Had an old police chief years ago tell me just that. The PD there rarely investigated murders. They didn't seem equipped to handle a major case.
My money is on the parents. In every single interview they did, there is no emotion no sense of urgency, no anger, nothing about their beautiful daughter being murdered. It's creepy, just like Burke's creepy smile during his interview years later. There's something definitely off about this family for sure.
@Schmoityface McCann case is a little different. In the Ramsey case the body and the note are two huge pieces pointing only at the family, the bizzar behavior of the Ramseys only adds to the suspicion. Don't really have as much on the McCanns.
This is why mob mentality needs to be kept out of the justice system. People react differently to loss. You think it was weird? I think it's weird that you can't muster up enough empathy to understand that being in a shocked stupor is TOTALLY NORMAL, especially if you're medicating to numb the pain.
Nah, if you analyze the facts we know, the most reasonable explanation is that it was someone in the family. This family is messed up@@captainpandabear1422
"And possibly violated..." this should tell you everything. Her autopsy showed her vagina looked like a grown woman. She had been repeatedly violated obviously by someone who had continued contact with her. You can't convince me with how strange the family acted, the longest ransom note in history written inside the house w multiple drafts about an abduction when she never left the house, plus the prolonged sexual abuse that the family didn't have something to do with it.
IMO, the brother was jealous of the attention his sister was getting. He likely meant to "chastise" her in some way, but accidentally killed her. The parents, in their desperation, couldn't handle the thought of losing both children, covered up what they knew actually happened and they... Did what they thought was the best thing. For what's left of their family. This makes sense to me.
Maybe the poor girl was molested frequently by someone with access (family or pageant friend)…Lord forbid… what if the poor girl was molested all the time. Then, maybe an intruder did the same thing to her.
IMO, once John Ramsey is dead, then Burke will reveal the truth. Psychopaths don't just kill one time and then stop, which rules out Burke. I also seriously doubt that a nine year old child could kill a sibling and then kust go on as if nothing had happened. See the video that the behavior panel guys did on Burke's interview with Dr. Phil. Spoiler alert: it wasn't Burke.
@@sandraknight4751 I find the father's eyes being down in front of the cameras to be suspicious. If you are an angry father, you stare into the cameras, with conviction and malice, as a message to the murderer watching the program. However with two types of DNA's on the underwear that is not linked to the family, it blatantly suggests intruders. I actually believe intruders did it. The profiler is correct, I believe.
I really think it was the brother, he may have unintentionally/accidentally hit her though. It was of course, covered up by the parents. Unfortunately, this case will never be solved & will forever remain a mystery.
Judith revealed one part of the ransom note seemed familiar. She revealed: “A phrase used, ‘And hence’, leaped out at me. I had received a Christmas newsletter from the family and the phrase was used in that too. It seemed like not something people generally say.” The bizarre two-and-a-half page letter was written on a pad from Patsy’s writing desk, using a pen found later underneath the Ramsey's phone. Imprints on the pad suggest practice notes had been scribbled. Cops ruled out John and Burke as the author but were unable to eliminate Patsy. Judith admitted: “I agree with the theory Burke killed JonBenét but I don’t think he meant to do it. I think Patsy did everything in her power to protect her living child. I think she wrote the ransom note whilst John staged the scene in the basement. After calling the police Patsy began inviting friends over to the house and in the commotion John went missing for an hour and half. It is my opinion he was disposing of evidence.” Operator Kim Archuletta, who took Patsy’s 911 call, believes the panicked mum’s voice changed afterwards. Patsy mistakenly thought she had hung up. Kim said: “You hear the frantic tone in her voice as she was speaking to me. It immediately stopped.” In the past it has been claimed voice enhancements of the tape pick up John saying: “We’re not speaking to you” before Patsy allegedly asks: “What did you do? Help me, Jesus.” Some claim Burke’s voice can be heard asking: “What did you find?” - even though his parents have always claimed he was asleep at the time. Burke, who now leads a reclusive life working from home as a software engineer, denied in his recent interview he was involved. He said: “That’s not what happened. There’s been people who have said that’s not even physically possible for a nine-year-old to do that.” And the Ramsey's lawyer Lin Wood told The Sun he was not surprised by Burke’s demeanor during the interview with Dr Phil. He said: “He can come across awkward and he has a nervous smile during difficult conversations. But he wanted to speak out.” Lin revealed the Ramsey's plan to sue over the documentary, which he said contains “no legitimate evidence”. added the latest theory ignores evidence of a possible sexual assault and suggestions in the autopsy report that JonBenét may have died by asphyxiation not a blow to the head. Over the years police have looked into 160 potential suspects and quizzed known pedophiles but none could be reliably placed at the scene. If JonBenèt were alive she would be a 26-year-old woman now,” Judith said. “It just breaks my heart she may never receive justice.” Not a suspect at the time of the killing, Burke is NOW highly suspect of the murder.
To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., in Fact, where many adult relatives of the Whites were present & their 2 kids. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon of the 26th when he was still there, by detective Patterson, who was on the scene at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither parent was present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to the where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that Bogus CBS show was aired in 2016, Patterson publicly stated on national TV that Burke didn't know Anything & he was very worried that his little sister was still missing. Burke was interviewed 10 days after the murder of his 6 year old sister, by a child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer was present with him & the parent's Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer was present with Burke & the parents Allowed that interview to take place as well. N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. Science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The faeces Stories are Not true. He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously are Not told the Details about all that happened. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking. The announcement through the media was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were After death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot. Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$. In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained. DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that most people Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003. People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB. People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used. The 1st fracture was front to back & Open, nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole & the skull piece was split in 2 & inside. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright. FYI - Burke was Never even a suspect.
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. * Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. They were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never SEEN Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write a ransom note & on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, the Case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this 6 year old Child *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@bethryan9077 Here’s the scenario you’re to believe… An unknown person, (no one was ever charged), broke into the Ramsey home, (basement window), in the middle of the night, he walked up the basement stairs, proceeded to walk around the house looking for a pen & a pad of paper, (he used a pen & paper belonging to the Ramsey’s which he found on a desk), he wrote a 2 1/2 page ransom note in the dark with the aid of a flashlight, (he asked for the EXACT amount of $ Mr. Ramsey received for a bonus that year, $118,000), then left the note on the back stairs. The pen used to write the note was later found underneath the Ramsey’s telephone. (He may have written the note after the murder, they’re saying it was an afterthought after he’d accidentally killed her). Just think about that for a second... He just attempted to kidnap but accidentally killed a child. So what's he going to do... sit down to compose a nearly 3 page ransom letter off the top of his head. It's absolutely preposterous! In addition… the killer would’ve had to continue to walk around the house looking for a stick or piece of wood, anything to make a garrote, he found Patsy Ramsey’s art paint brushes & made one with that. Continued… He then went upstairs with the flashlight to find Jonbenet’s bedroom, shining the light into each room before he found her. (Unless he was very lucky & found her room first). After finding her he shocked Jonbenet with a stun gun, wrapped her face & mouth with duct tape, wrapped her in a blanket & carried her down 2 flights of stairs to the basement to sexually assault, strangle & bludgeon her to death, before leaving. He also looked around for something to stand on to escape out the same window he originally entered. He found Mr. Ramsey’s suitcase & used that as a step stool. Judith Phillips, 64, a Ramsey family friend for more than ten years, told The Sun how she had often seen flashes of Burke’s temper and believes the theory he is the culprit. She said: “People always think of JonBenét in the pageant costumes but she was a tomboy who loved jumping in piles of leaves or getting muddy. “Burke was quiet, reserved and very into computer technology. I had seen him have emotional outbursts.” Judith first met the Ramseys when the family lived in Atlanta, Georgia. They became neighbours again when the Ramseys moved to Boulder several years after Judith and her family had relocated to the town. Photographer Judith also claimed Burke had hit his sister with a golf club a year before her murder, leaving her with a scar on her cheek. In the aftermath of the murder, Judith found it strange when the Ramsey's asked their circle of friends not to speak to police or the media. She added: “To me it seemed odd they would give a big television interview but not work with police.” And Judith revealed one part of the ransom note seemed familiar. She revealed: “A phrase used, ‘And hence’, leaped out at me. I had received a Christmas newsletter from the family and the phrase was used in that too. It seemed like not something people generally say.” The bizarre two-and-a-half page letter was written on a pad from Patsy’s writing desk, using a pen found later underneath the Ramsey's phone. Imprints on the pad suggest practice notes had been scribbled. Cops ruled out John and Burke as the author but were unable to eliminate Patsy. Judith admitted: “I agree with the theory Burke killed JonBenét but I don’t think he meant to do it. I think Patsy did everything in her power to protect her living child. I think she wrote the ransom note whilst John staged the scene in the basement. After calling the police Patsy began inviting friends over to the house and in the commotion John went missing for an hour and half. It is my opinion he was disposing of evidence.” Operator Kim Archuletta, who took Patsy’s 911 call, believes the panicked mum’s voice changed afterwards. Patsy mistakenly thought she had hung up. Kim said: “You hear the frantic tone in her voice as she was speaking to me. It immediately stopped.” In the past it has been claimed voice enhancements of the tape pick up John saying: “We’re not speaking to you” before Patsy allegedly asks: “What did you do? Help me, Jesus.” Some claim Burke’s voice can be heard asking: “What did you find?” - even though his parents have always claimed he was asleep at the time. Burke, who now leads a reclusive life working from home as a software engineer, denied in his recent interview he was involved. He said: “That’s not what happened. There’s been people who have said that’s not even physically possible for a nine-year-old to do that.” And the Ramsey's lawyer Lin Wood told The Sun he was not surprised by Burke’s demeanor during the interview with Dr Phil. He said: “He can come across awkward and he has a nervous smile during difficult conversations. But he wanted to speak out.” Lin revealed the Ramsey's plan to sue over the documentary, which he said contains “no legitimate evidence”. added the latest theory ignores evidence of a possible sexual assault and suggestions in the autopsy report that JonBenét may have died by asphyxiation not a blow to the head. Over the years police have looked into 160 potential suspects and quizzed known pedophiles but none could be reliably placed at the scene. If JonBenèt were alive she would be a 26-year-old woman now,” Judith said. “It just breaks my heart she may never receive justice.” Not a suspect at the time of the killing, Burke is NOW highly suspect of the murder.
As sad as it is, I believe the main reason for the many mistakes the police made in dealing with this case (including having the father search the basement by himself, visitors entering the house and possibly tampering with evidence, not conducting separate interviews with the family members) is that the family was wealthy, exposed, respected, and maybe being white helped as well. It's like the police themselves initially refused to even see the family members as potential suspects, because come on, they didn't match the child assaulter profile. So many contradictory clues point to the family AND outside it. Meanwhile, a human being has been living 6 years mostly objectified and subjected to enormous unnecessary stress, before being terminated this way. It's one of the saddest stories I've ever heard.
You forget the opposite possible as well from the police dispatcher down to every cop there that day they were clueless immediately everyone should have been sent outside the house it clearly was a crime scene though police mingle all day an forensics is ruined. Remember this fact
I am with you on this - most people have their prejudices, even if they shouldn't, like the police or criminal courts. We must emphasise that this family was ultra rich (2 private jets and 1 yacht - as if one of those would not be lavish enough!) and for that reason, probably looked up to by their community.
@@darkhorse9472 hahaha, yeah, no one wants to accept the simple truth. They want it to be some big rich man, crooked cop, child predator, crooked justice system event. Fact is, the 9 year old boy, laughed all through her funeral. Finally he had eliminated the one thing that was robbing him of being the spotlight in his parents eyes. Most sociopaths are born that way, their brains are wired different. I'm raising one right now. She is 14 now, and one of 2 things are true. She is getting better, or her intelligence level has superceded mine and she again has me fooled.. they learn to mimick us, so they can live and dwell among us. It's their time alone you have to watch, that's when the stupid controlls the intelligence..
She and i were born just a couple of months apart. I remember my parents watching this case & being really disturbed. I hope she finally gets the justice she deserves. Rest in peace.
The parents did it. The only reason the case is such a mystery is because for some bizarre reason the parents are not the primary suspects. It’s a completely unsolvable mystery bc they refuse to look at the obvious wtf.
@@jasonwillis4819 The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. * Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. They were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never SEEN Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. N.B. *Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, the Case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this 6 year old Child *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@beverlylawyer2286 Yeah John & Patsy come across as dumb & dumber hey & obviously both being Dumbos, they dropped a trail of breadcrumbs that led straight to Themselves & also according to all you Ramsey bashers, apparently they were such absolute Imbeciles, they must have had No Idea that Colorado had the Death Penalty. FYI - there are a gross number of people who are murdered in the home when other people are there sleeping. Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s, coal cellar still in situ, no window. There are a gross number of those murderers who have Never been Caught. Only JB’s family are Treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, Of Course. None of you have Read ANY Case Evidence, you’ve just watched TV & picked out the bits that Suit your Character. Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household. Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you Criminal Geniuses & Incessantly for over 26 Years, without even any Respect for the murdered Child. THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who suffered in silence & even More So due to the high number of Monstrous people in the public domain. Now, what part of Exonerated do you Not understand? You should all be Ashamed of yourselves, the rest of the world Sure IS.
The parents were most likely the first suspects. In nearly every single murder case, the spouse or someone in the immediate family are ALWAYS the first suspects under investigation
A RUclips video isn’t going to solve the case…….BUT…..seeing that the parents routinely “sexualized” her in the “beauty pageants,” makes me look no further than her own family. RIP
Sometimes common sense has to prevail. Three page ransom note using items from the home, exact amount of the bonus he received, all materials used found in the home all point to someone close to the child either family or friends
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. *Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.* The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@jessethepersiankitty2377 Obviously you don't even know what 'trolling' is & BTW - telling people they are a troll is soo Yesterday. Yawn. Deary, see the word 'Reply', guess what That's About. Doh. I tell the True Facts about this case & so, I am Educating people, it's just too bad that you don't like that. Aww. Here's some more News for the wicked - you hate-filled Ramsey bashers do Not own the comment sections.
The only item used from the home was one of the Two notepads, in Fact. Besides many other items brought Into the home, many things belonging to the Ramseys were missing, for example - the My-Twin doll that JB had been given Xmas morning, John's woollen winter coat, Patsy's handbag, more than one Maud Humphrey Bogart figurine, but these were probably taken when the perps broke into the house Before. They had moved over other figurines to cover the gaps where they stood in the big glass cabinet.
@@jessethepersiankitty2377 Stop stalking Beth Ryan. You trying to bully her is pathetic. It's a public forum, bro. She has a right to post whatever she wants.
It's so aggravating to know that the police botched this case so badly. Many older cases have been solved in recent years, thanks to forensic genealogy. This should have been one of them. :(
They were def involved but to what extent I don’t think we will ever know. They wouldn’t cooperate with police from the very beginning that spells guilt to me. And the note paper and paintbrush are hers. How would the killer know where to find them? I don’t buy the intruder theory.
So let’s get this straight. The kidnappers took the girl, killed her, and came back to dump the body? Why leave the note if you didn’t take her out of the house. Or maybe killed inside the house, becuz a 4”6 35 pound kid got the upper hand on her kidnappers? If you guys believe it was a ransom, you will believe anything.
Whoever tied that knot on the guyot new exactly what they were doing. I would say not many people know how to tie a knot like that. It looked premeditated and took some time to make that. I'd say whoever did it and killed her has done it before. The amount of force it would have taken to crack her skull like that would in my opinion be from the strength of a man. Whoever did it had to have been in the house for some time to accomplish the note and all the rest. I also think the killer felt comfortable in the home. I think he knew the Ramsey's and was close enough to them that he knew the bonus amount and the layout of the home.
JBT was a child and her skull not fully developed as that continues until around 18-20 years old due to the growth of the pre-frontal cortex so in reality, a small child who was angry could most definitely cause such damage to a child's skull. Regarding the garrote, those are not very hard to make and a knot is an indicator, not evidence.
@@laurielaurie8280 Nobody said it does and I do not appreciate your nasty tone. I was saying it would not take much force to do such damage to a child's skull. Have a nice day 🙂
The autopsy said cherries, grapes and pineapple which is fruit cocktail.....there was no fruit cocktail found in the house....no opened or unopened cans....
@@dominicsecret8029No, the autopsy did not say that. It said it was most likely pineapple. The fruit cocktail theory is another theory that another 3rd party came up with.
@@joeyjoe7930Nope. Just read about it. No food found in stomach. Possibly pineapple in intestines without mention of whether large or small. You conspiracy theorists have spread lies since the murder happened in what, 1996?!? No proof of any dysfunction or abuse in this family..... Almost 30 years later and no proof because they had no part in their daughter's murder....just like the lies spread about Patsy's handwriting "match"....all lies.....but let's go your hunches though...lol....
@@atheist-karate-guy Stop making up more BS just so because you want to seem relevant. BTW - before he was asked to look at this case, he never Knew the Ramseys.
@@atheist-karate-guy Go re-read what you Said first. You're just making up BS about someone else now because You have the Biased attitude about the Ramseys.
Her home life was hell I think . Her brother allegedly caused a lot issues with her . An then her mother expected her to be perfect . A grown up basically. The one thing I won't forget is when they brought her upstairs she still had a bow in her hair.however that's the picture they got sued over for publicity putting it on TV. 😢😢
An remember all the weapons came from the house . An johns request for his pilot cause they had Christmas plans !!!! Police had to tell him you can't leave .....😢
LMAO, deary, you don't even Know what the weapons Were. FYI - they were up so early that day of the 26TH, because they were to hop on their plane to head to Charlevoix. The pilot had the plane Ready. They were to meet John Andrew, Melinda & her boyfriend at the Minneapolis airport, then all flying on together to that holiday house for a 2nd Xmas gift giving. Obviously all that was Cancelled. When JB was found after 1 p.m., John was told they had to leave as the house was then a crime scene. In front of a Cop, John called his pilot wanting to get to some sort of Safety & to Family in Atlanta, 2 perfectly Normal things to want to do. The cops relayed what he heard & John was told they couldn't go there so they stayed with friends in Boulder, with police around them 24/7. @@peggypasson8794
@@peggypasson8794 To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., where their kids were present & some adult relatives. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon there at about 2 p.m., by detective Patterson who was at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither of his parents were present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that despicable Bogus CBS show was aired after that also in 2016, Patterson publicly defended Burke & stated on national TV that he’d conducted an interview with 9 year old Burke & he didn't know Anything at all & he’d been very worried that his little sister was still missing. Burke was interviewed again 10 days later by a police child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer or parents were with him & his parents had Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer nor his parents were with him & again, his parents Allowed that interview to take place. Then, the poor Kid received a Subpoena to appear before the grand jury & off he went to do that Also, neither parent present & NO Lawyer there Either. N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. It was Not. Forensic science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. BTW - pineapple is Acidic, it would Curdle friggin Milk. They had all been up since 6 - 6.30 a.m. that Xmas Day morning & the kids played all day & with friends that afternoon & then again for half the night at the White's Xmas dinner party til about 9 p.m. JB fell into an Exhausted sleep when they got in the car to go home, making 2 stops on the way to drop off presents. JB was only 6 years old, she Did NOT Wake Up After That. Burke did Not say on the Dr Phil interview that he ‘woke up & went downstairs’ to play with a toy. He walked in the door & went straight to his multi-storey car garage that he was given for Xmas. His father went downstairs, helped him put that together for 15-20 minutes then took him up to his room & helped him get ready for bed. The kids Never went downstairs on their own at night.
Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a toy golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The ever changing faeces Stories are Not true. He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister in that interview 10 days later. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously were Not told the Details about all that happened to their little friend. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking. The announcement through the media at the time was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were just After her death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open front to back & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole, the skull piece being split in 2 & inside. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot with the added on BS coming from Jim Clemente in 2016 & so that farcical CBS show. One needs to Think about WHY that police Evidence of the 911 recording was put on a TV programme After the Ramsey’s book was released & they had appeared on the Larry King show in March 2000 where they spoke publicly about some of the cops’ failings. One needs to find out about Steve Thomas first though, the former narcotics officer, including that he constantly talked about the book he was going to write when supposedly working this case of a Child’s brutal murder. He said that Patsy hadn't hung up the phone properly & he said Burke could be heard saying something in the background. He accused the Ramseys of lying in saying Burke was asleep when that call was made. They were Incensed about that Next accusation & wanted to Hear what the cops were talking about. And, Thomas said Burke Only. The cops refused to let the Ramseys hear that recording. John & Patsy were So upset, they went on national TV & told the World what they had just been accused of & challenged the cops to cough-up with the tape. All went quiet. Please note, all this was After the grand jury hearing that took 13 months & where Burke was again questioned for a long time by the Special Prosecutor this time, Michael Kane. Next thing, a TV Show has the recording, Words are put on screen & suddenly it's supposedly All 3 Ramseys in the background. How amusing but typical form from that scumbag Steve Thomas who’s nothing but a Proven Liar, who’s only accolade before this murder case was busting a bike theft ring. He released his childish book, was promptly sued for all the Lies & lost every cent that he made from the public’s purse strings. He had then moved overseas with his tail firmly planted between his legs. When calling 911 Patsy was using the Wall phone in the alcove that was near that door by the grate that she called the kitchen door. John was reading the note over & over by her Then. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the metal cradle that was at the side of that phone is Clearly heard, CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. Under that phone on the wall, was a cupboard. If Patsy had put the handset down, all would have heard CLUNK. Here’s the thing, why would they lie about Burke being downstairs? He was Allowed downstairs! Yawn. And then there’s the Fact that the closeted 9 year old Kid, would have coughed up in a nanosecond that he was there when his mother made that 911 call.
Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$. In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained & Excited to be fired up. DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that only the Ramsey bashers Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003. People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB. People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used & did Not belong to the Ramseys. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright. FYI - Burke was Never even a suspect & that’s Why, within the Multitude of TV shows before 2016, he was never mentioned because the journos & presenters had No reason/cause to talk about him.
The flashlight, (some believe to be the murder weapon), was found presumably on the kitchen table. As mentioned here, one theory is, the brother smacked her on the head with the light after she took several pieces of pineapple from him. It stands to reason the 2 siblings went downstairs for a late night snack, not wanting to turn on a lot of lights they used the flashlight to peer into the darkness. The flashlight had no fingerprints on it, batteries inside the light were also void of prints. No one, neither the Ramsey's nor police, claimed ownership of the flashlight. The large hole in JonBenéts skull, which seemed to be the initial strike that caused the long crack, appeared to be in the shape of the flashlight head.
Why don't you people just be Honest & say that you watched that Bogus CBS 'show' & believed it all. Geez, you're all soo Embarrassing. BTW - that was Not where the flashlight was found. Next - the kids had been up since 6 - 6.30 a.m., that Xmas Day morning, playing all day & with friends & again for half the night at the White's Xmas dinner party. JB fell into an Exhausted sleep when they got in the car to go home at about 9 p.m. She was only 6 years old, she did Not wake up after that. Burke was put to bed by his father after helping him put a new toy together. Those kids Never went downstairs by themselves at night Ever. BTW - what part of Exonerated do you Not understand?
@@danielwood8135 I am just someone else who knows pretty much Everything about this case & I tell the True Facts & so, I am Educating the public. I am Not intimidated by the hate-filled Mob posting their never ending Gobshite about every member of this poor family & who also live under the Delusion, that they Own the comment sections. It is Not my fault that there are soo many highly ignorant Ramsey bashers running around with their heads up their own a##es & then there’s all the brainwashed zombies. I am Proud to defend this Innocent family & at the same time, I am defending JB herself. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”.
Kids accidentally hurt each other all the time. Mine was that, after mum had told my brother to stop jumping from the couch onto a beanbag and he didn’t, I yanked it away just as he jumped. He got a twisted ankle and I had to go get some bandages from the nearby chemist. Did I mean to hurt him? No. Did I hurt him anyways? Yes. Burke had a history of getting JB hurt - accidentally or not. I truly believed that he did it and his parents panicked.
To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., in Fact, where many adult relatives of the Whites were present & their 2 kids. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon of the 26th at about 2 p.m., when he was still there, by detective Patterson who was on the scene at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither parent was present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that despicable Bogus CBS show was aired in 2016, Patterson publicly stated on national TV that he’d conducted an interview with 9 year old Burke & he didn't know Anything & he was very worried that his little sister was still missing. Burke was interviewed 10 days after the murder of his 6 year old sister, by a child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer or parents were with him & his parents had Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer nor his parents were with him & again, his parents Allowed that interview to take place. Then, the poor Kid received a Subpoena to appear before the grand jury & off he went to do that Also, neither parent present & NO Lawyer Either. N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. It was Not. Forensic science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. BTW - pineapple is Acidic, it would Curdle friggin Milk. Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a toy golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The ever changing faeces Stories are Not true. He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously were Not told the Details about all that happened to their little friend. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking. The announcement through the media at the time was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were just After her death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open front to back & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole, the skull piece being split in 2 & inside. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot with the added on BS coming from Jim Clemente in 2016. Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$. In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained & Excited to be fired up. DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that only the Ramsey bashers Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003. People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB. People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used & did Not belong to the Ramseys. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright. FYI - Burke was Never even a suspect & that’s Why, within the Multitude of TV shows before 2016, he was never mentioned because the journos & presenters had No reason/cause to talk about him.
@@N4divers The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. *Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.* The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
One of the biggest red flags is that after reading that the kidnapper was going to call by 10 o'clock, why did no one seem to notice that 10 o'clock came & went?
O.J. isn't looking for the killer of his wife and John Ramsey isn't looking for his daughters killer either. There, l just solved two cases that have been baffling people for decades 😕
I was a pretty young teenager when this happened and I remember feeling so sad about her being killed. I guess I was to young to even think about her being assaulted as well. Hearing this now really disturbed me. I wish her peace and I hope who ever did this pays in some way. God the world really is messed up.
No stranger is going to calmly sit down and compose a 2 and 1/2 page ransom note after killing this girl and leaving her in the basement. Thats called a clue. Then refusing to sit down and be interviewed by the police after this terrible tragedy is also a clue.
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would try to disguise some letters of their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* Some cops also had moron syndrome. The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.* **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly. Last year a cold case team were put together & they’re on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both perps’ DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
I am in Flint Michigan. Where I worked, the office manager put her 6 month old baby in a child beauty pageant. The girl won a trophy for the prettiest dress. Wacko.
Wasn't the mother often extremely upset at JonBenet for constantly wetting her bedding and night clothes? I think the mother killed her daughter, as I suspect this woman was mentally unhealthy, especially showcased by her incessant need to make her daughter a beauty pageant queen, seemingly at any expense.
Basic Known FACTS - Patsy was dressed & ready to go, found the note, read a few lines, raced back upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John. She could only say about a note & JB gone, he said to call the police. 2 males had got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the White’s Xmas dinner. They had broken in before & that’s why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m., in her bed JB was choked with the cord, tasered on her back, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent that went out the window of the boiler room, front of the house. Fibres from the frayed ends of the cord were found on JB’s sheet & are in evidence. Both perps ran out a dickie door through the garage, down to the back, waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had ran into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. That was Not a garrotte, it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity as part of the torture during vile acts. Due to this & positioning, plus JB was given a lot of water over this period of Hours, is why there is so much pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. A square of carpet & underlay at the boiler room entry was cut out due to the pee stain & that’s in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific, then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's Exact height. The end of what was actually a calligrapher’s tool that was used at her privates was cut off & never found because some deviants keep trophies. That item did Not belong to Patsy. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did Not eat Any pineapple that was in that bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The Stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME pineapple was in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the small intestine. In Patsy’s recorded police statement of ’98, Thomas Haney told her the tiny bits of pineapple in the top of the small Intestine was Different to the pineapple in the bowl. When Patsy called 911 on the wall phone near the kitchen, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. *There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then both fractures of the skull that were also pre-planned if the cops were called, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st - a brick on the top of the head that caused the huge open fracture down nearly the length of the skull. The 2nd - a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd - was the rounded handle end of the black steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called, they didn't plan that Patsy would still be on the phone. That phone was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no cash was paid. Their back up for money was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It's easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers into the note as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise her writing which is Impossible to do for near 3 pages & the Real experts know that fact. From his vantage point Meyer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. This plan, JB was Never to be taken from the basement. SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & that’s why so much is now known - Plus, due to the crime scene techs who did an excellent job in taking all the photos, videos & collecting the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. But Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later because the investigators Present, refused to target the Ramseys. He later went on to Pretend that he was the lead detective. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a Ransom, which Was the First crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile case. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about False & Misleading information to the media. That amount of money was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96 that were in his office. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened for the 2nd time after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Early that morning, separately, 3 officers failed to go in the train room door & so through to the windows & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs ‘93 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo or the cops’ walk-thru video & see the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That bowl (with pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. The silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree on the handle that was like the filigree on some of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of Plus the DNA that had Already cleared them & lots of others including known pedos & then John Mark Karr who said he did it. *I have left out the details of the vile acts perpetrated upon this poor child as a bit sensitive for the page.
Burke killed her. He had a history of inflicting violence on his sister whenever she was receiving more attention than him, and he accidentally killed her in another fit of jealousy and rage on the night after Christmas. His parents, not thinking straight and being the status-obsessed weirdos that they were, were worried they'd lose their nine-year-old as well, and decided to stage a botched kidnapping to protect their son from the law (even though he was too young to be punished) and save the family from becoming pariahs. Then, as the whole scheme quickly started unraveling, the parents immediately ceased cooperating with the police except on grounds that would make further investigation into the family borderline impossible, claiming the police were persecuting them by considering any possibility other than the outside intruder theory. Before the killing, the parents were already seeking psychiatric help for Burke, who seemed to have anger issues, great difficulty telling right from wrong, and a tendency to smear his f*ces over his sister's possessions, possibly indicating a severe psycho-s**ual maldevelopment and an unhealthy attachment to his sister. A maid once reported walking in on Burke "playing doctor" on his younger sister, who then blew up into one of his characteristic rages and screamed at her to get out. All these track well towards indicating that Burke, along with physically ab*sing his sister, was also s**ually ab*sing her as well. Either way, the case will likely only be settled if either John or Burke confess as to what happened before they die, and neither seem likely to do so.
You need to do some Actual research online instead of believing all that you read in books & see on TV Shows. That Bogus CBS 'show' - formatted to James Kolar's book of BS blaming Burke & that's why Kolar was present with meathead Clemente front & centre - His Scam. Sensationalism sells & soo many just lapped it all up yet the show was all about blaming a 9 year old Kid. CBS were mightily sued for the ‘gross misleading of the public’ & those lying Con Artists were included in the suit. CBS settled out of court & paid up with mega millions of $$$. The 2 so-called scientists, Lee & Spitz, were personally sued for their deliberate lies & misinformation. These 2 often worked as Paid Pipers for defence teams, for example - OJ Simpson, Michael Peterson, Caylee Anthony. *The X-ray of JB’s skull Shows that there were TWO Severe fractures. One was from the top of the head, front to back & Open to nearly the length of the skull. The other was a Hole & a Separate fracture, the skull piece was split in 2 & inside. How does a whack on the head, by any means or from Any weapon produce Two fractures like That? It is a fact that if Either of the fractures had occurred Before death, the skull would have been filled with blood, It Wasn't. At about 1.30 a.m., JB was choked with the cord to prevent a scream when in bed, tasered on her lower back to incapacitate her, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried down to the boiler room. Green tinsel from the stair railings was in her hair. She was given a lot of water over a period of Hours & tasered & tortured with the complex made Bondage Device - that was Not a garrotte & that's Why the Loops over the shirt at her wrists. All can source the photo of the whole thing. The Authentic autopsy report can be found online. The 1st of 9 pages has the symbol for Boulder County. Forensics proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple in the bowl & as officer Haney told Patsy in the police interview of ’98. JB was never unconscious & there were dig marks from her nails in her skin At the cord because she was fighting for her life when being strangled to death. The autopsy photos Clearly show those marks And the White flat nylon Cord that was left Embedded in her neck. The savage blows to the head were also pre-planned if the cops were called & occurred just after her death, 3 weapons, each in evidence & None were that flashlight. The 1st weapon used was a brick & that caused the 8” fracture from the top down the skull & the photo of the skull shows the impact from the brick, on the top of the head. The measurements Match. Some crime scene photos show the brick in the cellar. The 3rd weapon caused the hole that the 2nd started. One slam from the third, being the rounded handle end of the black steel ball bat, that the perps put on the half-wall outside of the butler's kitchen door where they exited from & left open after the cops left. The utility knife was left in the cellar & one tool was used to do small stabs in a shape to the skull, was broken off & never found. That large 15 tool utility knife did Not belong to Burke. From the position of the cord at the front of the neck & the necklace deliberately ‘caught’ at the bottom of the cord at the front, Proves JB was on her Back when strangled to death. As do the dig marks in her neck from her nails. It is Not a coincidence that the necklace was at first Held in that position & the gold cross was turned to the back. There were rust coloured marks at each temple & on the calf of one leg. A rusty log grabber was found in the cellar as seen in some photos. This was also used in another aspect of the crime before the perps left. The paintbrush was cut & broken into 3 parts & the whittling of the wood was only to implicate Burke - the housekeeper used to chat to the Barnhills, Glenn Meyer was ever listening. That was Not a paintbrush of Patsys. The end was used at JB's genitals & that caused bleeding that was wiped off with a blue cloth. The fibres are mentioned in the Authentic autopsy report. The tip was never found because some deviants keep trophies. Other vile acts occurred but too sensitive for this page but suffice to say that crime scene photos show the cut off end of an electrical cord hanging from the ceiling in the boiler room - some redness & slight swelling just inside the genitals, that scumbag Steve Thomas turned into ‘chronic sexual abuse’. The large pee stain on both the underpants & the long-johns is predominantly on the front & all-but to the waist on both, due to positioning earlier. This whole crime for money & revenge was set up to incriminate the whole family if the perps didn't get their quick cash. The taking of photos was their back-up for money. That CBS 'show' put up a doctored photo of JB's sheets with a big yellow stain when in fact JB did Not wet the bed. They swayed the public with 'some parts' that had been heard & read about previously & just twisted info to suit Their agenda. They said a ligature was 'wrapped around the neck as staging' & showed a Photo of a packet of blue rope. In the guest room, a blue rope was found in a bag, neither of those items belonged to the Ramseys. The abrasions at the base of her neck were due to the cord being tightened loosened tightened, some time Before the strangulation. Then there was the denial on that 'show' of any type of sexual attack at JB's genitals because the Real Facts of what happened to the child there, was too much of a stretch for their Audience to believe, that Burke would have done all, Or the parents & That's Why - They DIDN’T Talk About the huge fracture down the skull OR the Strangulation. And Then, they said the cops were looking for the wrong offender, as-in, looking for a pedo. Spitz had the Hide to say that the very small slithers of wood must have jumped into the vagina when John carried the body up the stairs & referred to That as contamination. Forensics proved the wood was from the paintbrush. Burke's train tracks had 3 steel pointy pins Not 2 blunt ones. Kolar made up That garbage from his head, saying Burke jabbed JB on the back, so 2 'abrasions'. Spitz said Burke did that when JB was Deceased because he knew full well that if still alive, 2 hard jabs would have caused bruising. The ME had No experience with stun guns Or tasers & that's why he noted as 'abrasions' in his first report. Renowned forensic pathologist, Michael Doberson Did have that experience & Stated - some type of stun gun. The type of Air Taser used has been identified & they were Burns, not abrasions, the shapes were rectangular. The Same burns on her face & under her ear, as on her back & are the same Width apart. The reason for the area hit near the brain, is about control - instant pain, little balance to walk & poor memory. The one on her face was bigger because the electrode was placed there more than once. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs, 1993, Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns to his face, the second was on his ear lobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. Lee & Richardson donned white lab coats, had brown Labelled bags on a table As If evidence in those bags. Cops do Not give out Evidence. They did that Pathetic ‘demo’ about DNA, knowing Full Well the DNA was from 3 Different places - under JB’s fingernails, mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants & 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns. They also Knew that the DNA from one of the perps had been in CODIS since 2003. **From this bogus show, the Story about the factory worker’s DNA on the underpants took hold. FAKE writing ‘samples’ as if Patsy’s & as if from police files, has been put on chalkboards since the books of BS were put on shelves. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. Unfortunately for the Ramseys, Steve Thomas was brought in as one of the investigators because the Present ones refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder case before. He thought he would make a name for himself from the high profile crime & constantly talked about the book he was going to write. The BPD were only interested in saving their own incompetent asses & went into damage control because the child was found in the home that afternoon by her poor father when - Their officers Should Have Found JB early that morning. They Hid lots of what they did & didn't do from the public & the Mayor pretended there was no maniac child killer running around town so the media were at the family Instead. Thomas & his cronies also Hid vital evidence from their superiors & the DA on several occasions including from the grand jury, Of Course. Alex Hunter - Saw all the evidence known at that time, that pointed to an intruder, the public Did Not. Many years later, James Kolar was in the DA's office for a short time, got himself fired & went off to write His book of BS for financial gain - his Hook to reel in the Public, blame Burke. Beckner took over as Commander in Dec ’97 & he also made false statements to the media. He at least came to some realisations eventually & publicly stated "when the owner of the DNA is found, there's your killer". There have been Lots of so-called ‘experts’ who came out of the woodwork to find their version of fame & to make Money from this high profile crime. There are also many pages put on vids with 'typing' as If from police files, all Fake. It's nearly 26 years & the False information continues to go around about this case & it grows legs on a daily basis. I don't know when the autopsy photos, the authentic autopsy report & so much more was put online but it's there now. Obviously the 'authors' & promoters of documentaries & such Never expected any of the Actual Evidence to be available to the public
To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., where their kids were present & some adult relatives. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon there at about 2 p.m., by detective Patterson who was at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither of his parents were present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that despicable Bogus CBS show was aired after that also in 2016, Patterson publicly defended Burke & stated on national TV that he’d conducted an interview with 9 year old Burke & he didn't know Anything at all & he’d been very worried that his little sister was still missing. Burke was interviewed again 10 days later by a police child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer or parents were with him & his parents had Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer nor his parents were with him & again, his parents Allowed that interview to take place. Then, the poor Kid received a Subpoena to appear before the grand jury & off he went to do that Also, neither parent present & NO Lawyer there Either. N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. It was Not. Forensic science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. BTW - pineapple is Acidic, it would Curdle friggin Milk. They had all been up since 6 - 6.30 a.m. that Xmas Day morning & the kids played all day & with friends that afternoon & then again for half the night at the White's Xmas dinner party til about 9 p.m. JB fell into an Exhausted sleep when they got in the car to go home, making 2 stops on the way to drop off presents. JB was only 6 years old, she Did NOT Wake Up After That. Burke did Not say on the Dr Phil interview that he ‘woke up & went downstairs’ to play with a toy. He walked in the door & went straight to his multi-storey car garage that he was given for Xmas. His father went downstairs, helped him put that together for 15-20 minutes then took him up to his room & helped him get ready for bed. The kids Never went downstairs on their own at night. Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a toy golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The ever changing faeces Stories are Not true. He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister in that interview 10 days later. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously were Not told the Details about all that happened to their little friend. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking. The announcement through the media at the time was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were just After her death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open front to back & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole, the skull piece being split in 2 & inside. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot with the added on BS coming from Jim Clemente in 2016 & so that farcical CBS show. One needs to Think about WHY that police Evidence of the 911 recording was put on a TV programme After the Ramsey’s book was released & they had appeared on the Larry King show in March 2000 where they spoke publicly about some of the cops’ failings. One needs to find out about Steve Thomas first though, the former narcotics officer, including that he constantly talked about the book he was going to write when supposedly working this case of a Child’s brutal murder. He said that Patsy hadn't hung up the phone properly & he said Burke could be heard saying something in the background. He accused the Ramseys of lying in saying Burke was asleep when that call was made. They were Incensed about that Next accusation & wanted to Hear what the cops were talking about. And, Thomas said Burke Only. The cops refused to let the Ramseys hear that recording. John & Patsy were So upset, they went on national TV & told the World what they had just been accused of & challenged the cops to cough-up with the tape. All went quiet. Please note, all this was After the grand jury hearing that took 13 months & where Burke was again questioned for a long time by the Special Prosecutor this time, Michael Kane. Next thing, a TV Show has the recording, Words are put on screen & suddenly it's supposedly All 3 Ramseys in the background. How amusing but typical form from that scumbag Steve Thomas who’s nothing but a Proven Liar, who’s only accolade before this murder case was busting a bike theft ring. He released his childish book, was promptly sued for all the Lies & lost every cent that he made from the public’s purse strings. He had then moved overseas with his tail firmly planted between his legs. When calling 911 Patsy was using the Wall phone in the alcove that was near that door by the grate that she called the kitchen door. John was reading the note over & over by her Then. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the metal cradle that was at the side of that phone is Clearly heard, CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. Under that phone on the wall, was a cupboard. If Patsy had put the handset down, all would have heard CLUNK. Here’s the thing, why would they lie about Burke being downstairs? He was Allowed downstairs! Yawn. And then there’s the Fact that the closeted 9 year old Kid, would have coughed up in a nanosecond that he was there when his mother made that 911 call. Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$. In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained & Excited to be fired up. DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that only the Ramsey bashers Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003. People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB. People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used & did Not belong to the Ramseys. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright. FYI - Burke was Never even a suspect & that’s Why, within the Multitude of TV shows before 2016, he was never mentioned because the journos & presenters had No reason/cause to talk about him.
Because foreign factions need $118.000 how much would each member get once it's divided hardly worth it when you think about it like that which any gang of crooks would think about before going into this.
@@dino9071 Exactly! How many would be in a foreign faction? 4 maybe 5. They would end up with cigarette money if they smoked once the money was divided. If not weed money.
Which makes me think someone was trying to frame him. If you were going to murder your daughter, would you ask for ransom the exact amount of your Christmas bonus?
@@obviously6thbeliever The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP to Be. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. *Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.* The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys. If you’re actually a tax payer, well, You’re paying. LMAO.
This case is truly baffling. Previously I thought the brother had something to do with it. Now I think it was someone the family knew. The ransom note was the EXACT amount of the dad's bonus. You know how people talk. I think the dad and/or mom discussed the amount of the bonus to one or several friends. Maybe they were bragging about it. Someone got wind and hatched a plan. My parents have told me to never divulge your finances and never let people know when you will be out of town.
I, like most people, am fascinated with this case. The fact the ransom note asked for the EXACT amount of John's bonus at work just screams someone insode did it. The pineapple in her stomach also says a lot. One thing about science, it's as objective as you can get. I hope i see this case solved in my lifetime. I think mommy did it.
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. * Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. They were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never SEEN Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. N.B. *Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, the Case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this 6 year old Child *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@bethryan9077 woah, did you type all that? What's up with the over-capitalizing of words? Just curious 🤔. If you did write that, thank you. I got more out of what I just read than I seen in my life. There were many, many things I didn't know or read. If what you wrote is true, which I believe totally, then that explains a lot. Lot of times you just accept what you hear and it's something I try not to do. Don't ever delete that as I'll come back and actually read that as you made a shit load of sense. Obviously the way you wrote and the way you worded it, you are not from the US, English I would guess. Lot of the documentaries I see, just spin the same thing and what sticks out to me, is the note, and how the ransom was Ramsey's bonus at work. What are the odds someone is demanding $118,000 (an odd request) exactly the bonus that John got. Usually demands are rounding off to the nearest thousand, or million. ($1,000,000, or $100,000, or $200,000) why such an odd number? So what you mean is that the killer is a male, white or Hispanic, and there are 2 different males who's DNA was under the child nails. Obviously, you know your shit on the case. Where did you get all that info from? I'm just curious cause you covered every angle I could think of. Again thank for taking the time so send all that and clear any confusion I had. You made a lot of sense. Perhaps you should be writing scrips to some of these phony documentaries that are ubiquitous on TV and RUclips.
The pineapple was the last food she had eaten prior to her death. This we know. And it had been stated, that, there was not any pineapple, served at the Christmas party. So she had to have gotten it when she got home that night from the Christmas party. This we know for sure. 🙏
@@chadczternastek I would capitalize words here & there for emphasis when replying to certain people but ages ago I put together several long narratives to cut n paste as standard info. Only so many lines can be put on the reply bar so that's why no or few paragraphs, jamming in main points of info that I post to whoever, so the capitalisation is just included for all now, no offence intended. I'm from Auss - "g'day mate" & all that. Ha. Yes, that number was way too weird hey. Glenn Meyer's lucky number was 18 & there were more than one 18s within this particularly insidious crime, 18 chunks of pineapple in that bowl, for example. Then there's the fact that he received $118,000 as a vets' payout x years before, I kid you not. He was stationed in Korea for a while for that war. The paintbrush they bought & used was made in Korea. The cord tied to that handle but the word 'Korea' being visible still was not a coincidence. Finding out that John's bonus for '95 was just over $118,000 would have been hilarious for these sociopaths, as was Much of what they did all over the house, for their amusement & they knew full well that the cops' would video around the house & take loads of photos - there were hundreds of crime scene photos & so, their 'handiwork' was very well documented but the keystone cops weren't onto all of that, at all. Two killers, one white, one hispanic. I will send you another narrative with a few more details about all 4 involved, but these 2 killed JB. No, DNA from one of them under JB's pinkie fingernails plus her DNA. Originally I typed up those 2 long narratives in a hurry as a reply to someone, plus space/number of words is a problem, as mentioned. I do need to fix them so they're better understood & a more concise sequence also. From Lots of researching but then the specifics about the perps & determinations about the evidence is from the many dedicated Seasoned investigators who continued the search & as mentioned, people have talked. Lou Smit was one of The best investigators in the country & besides all his other cases, he Solved over 200 murders. He got onto the fact straight away, that a sadistic fiend tortured then murdered this child. People single out One aspect about him, that window & the cobweb - when the main reason for filming himself being Able to Fit through that window was because the Cops said John lied in saying he broke that window in the summer when he locked himself out of the house. The lousy cops didn’t even Try to see if any of them could get down into the window-well, break the top part of the glass above the latch that was half-way down, reach through to unlock it, then climb through into that room. The cops just touted amongst themselves that no adult male could climb through the window that was ‘too small’. Lou didn’t write any friggin Book. People today still mock him, just for that demo & because of the web in the corner. Again, the perps did Not enter the house through that window. I put down the basics but there is much more in general that I impart & I also post about the many, Many other items that the perps staged around the house. People don’t know that there were personal items of the family that were Missing. I left out the details of the vile acts perpetrated upon this poor child as a bit sensitive but I have discussed that with others at some sites who also know what else Really happened to her. What I said in relation to the contents of JB’s digestive system is from the Authentic autopsy report that can be found online. The 1st page has the symbol for Boulder County & the phone number & address of the Boulder Coroner's office under that title. The full transcripts of Patsy & John's police interviews of '97, '98 & 2000 can be found at a site - Shakedown. Autopsy photos are online - from above her shoulders only. There’s the X-ray photo of the skull which also proves a lot in relation to soo much utter BS told about this case, the made up stories that grew legs about a ‘bonk on the head’ that’s still going around in 2 ridiculous scenarios because of the 2 lousy cops who were only ever interested in lining their pockets. I am yet to watch One video that has all True facts about this crime & the aftermath. There are pages being put on videos still, as If Patsy's writing & single letter 'samples' & as If from police files - All Fake. Some TV shows edited general & police interviews to suit their agendas & cut back & forth with talking that is out of sequence & photos of fake documents as well as crime scene photos, that did not go with what was being said in the conversations. Many put up unrelated photos that they got from wherever. Dr Phil played this same game with Burke - mentioning things that weren’t true, then cutting Burke off when he asked him questions. Then the putting up of photos that Burke didn’t know about, but the convo went on as if Burke Did know. I saw a drawing on a podcast episode many weeks ago, depicting JB & how she was on the living room floor but no blanket over her. All was incorrect, even how her hair was when found. The false & misleading information plus fake photos of areas of the house has Always been rife. Online you can also find - some police reports, evidence lists, forensic items listed, other statements, affidavits, depositions, lots of crime scene photos, the police walk-thru videos & more. Also, forensic scientists in England have weighed in on this case in relation to the DNA results & a few other aspects about some other evidence. It sure takes a hell of a lot of work but at the same time, one needs to know how to tell the difference between a fake document & an authentic one. I liken this case to doing a very big jigsaw puzzle that has loads of very small pieces. And then that box contained many pieces that didn’t fit, so there’s a hell of a lot of checking & re-checking to sort all the pieces out. N.B. - the authorities Know - who, what, why, when & how. When the one who was 17 at the time is found, there’ll be an announcement. Cheers, thank you so much for your reply, your interest & even more so, your support. I fully understand why soo many have totally the wrong idea about a) the whole family b) the crime as a whole starting from the moment Patsy called 911 as I have watched Loads of the videos, whether from back at that time & now all the channels on utube. Old newscasts, talk shows & documentaries from then & now all the 'shows' on utube . Yep, full of false information & lots of variations of that. Jeez. Fake documents put on screen as if from the police files, fake photos sometimes that are not even of their house & the rooms etc etc. Actually, I will send you another 4 posts. Some info is repeated because I often send one only to people, depending on what the reply is related to. N.B. If the public knew Everything that was set up in that house & all that they did around the house when the parents were asleep, besides all that was done to this little girl, the public would Freak the hell out. Apologies that it has taken me this long to get back to you.
@@brendaholman3835 To say that the pineapple was the last food eaten prior to her death is Not TRUE. Go back & read Again what I stated about the contents of her intestinal system - that is Quoted from the Authentic autopsy report that can be found online, go Find it, the 1st of 9 pages has the symbol for Boulder County. Again, the COPS Told Patsy that the tiny bits of pineapple in the Top of JB's Small Intestine, were Different to the pineapple in the bowl. The Full transcripts of John & Patsy's police interviews for '97, '98 & 2000 are at a site - Shakedown. Officer Tom Haney told Patsy that Fact, her interview for '98. FYI - forensics Proved that JB did Not eat ANY of that pineapple in the bowl, the items on that table were Staged by the perps. You do Not Know, At ALL. And BTW - the kids had been up since 6 - 6.30 a.m., that Xmas day morning, playing all day & with friends & again for half the night at the White’s Xmas dinner party. The Ramseys left to go home at about 9 p.m., making 2 stops on the way to drop off presents. JB fell into an Exhausted sleep when she got in the car. She was only 6 years old, she did Not wake up after that. Lastly, her time of death was when Patsy was calling 911, on the 26th, In Fact.
I always followed this case and just recently found out that poor little Jon had multiple yeast infections and that’s why she wet her bed. Someone sexually abused that baby multipleeee times and that’s not being spoken about enough ☹️. Who hurt that baby !!! Pageants are very adorable but some parents take it toooooo far and they do not care or protect them babies.
@@michealallison8756 Yeah in the blighted eyes of all you Victim Bashers, John & Patsy must come across as dumb & dumber hey & obviously both being Dumbos, they dropped a trail of breadcrumbs that led straight to Themselves & also according to your ever so proud Cult of Ramsey Bashers, apparently being absolute Imbeciles, they must have had No Idea that Colorado had the Death Penalty. FYI - there are a gross number of adults & kids who are murdered in the home when the occupants are there sleeping. Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s with the former coal cellar still in situ underground & so, No Window. There are a gross number of those murderers who have Never been Caught. Only JonBenet’s family are treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, Of Course. None of you have Read ANY Case Evidence, you’ve just watched TV & picked out the bits that Suit your personality type & then bang on with a load of garbage about a crime that you know Nothing about & do your best to constantly denigrate these very kind people who you Never KNEW. Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household. Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you now Criminal Geniuses & Incessantly for over 26 Years, without even any Respect for the murdered Child. THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who had to suffer in silence & even More So due to certain members of the Boulder PD who got great Enjoyment from deliberately leaking false & misleading information to the media, for no other reason than to save their own Incompetent asses. You should all be Ashamed of yourselves, the rest of the world Sure IS.
The ransom note never mentions Jonbenets name. Always refers to her as "your daughter". The Ramseys also never refer to her via name either, always saying "that child" or "our daughter". Trying to distance themselves from the crime as its too painful and personal to mention her name
Something involving the family or a close friend of the family. Will someone please tell me how a stranger could break in and hang around, not to mention carrying out a vicious murder without waking up the parents or brother?
There are Many reasons why kidnapping has Always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for quick Available cash & with others, that plan turned into a crime about revenge against John. This highly insidious set up was to implicate all Ramseys plus others around them, for good measure. The research began quite some before & that included - the Ramsey’s whole family, friends, associates, neighbours, well known violent movies about kidnapping plots as well as previous famous kidnapping cases & famous sadistic murders. This Plan, JB was Never going to be taken from the basement. It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called. They sure didn’t go to soo much trouble & take such high risks for nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money. From footage of the front of the house, it looks like a double storey Tudor style home. From the extensive renovations, that was a Huge 3 storey mansion - plus the basement that had multiple rooms. The butler’s kitchen was another level again, stairs either end to go down there but ground level, with the glass exit door. This section was situated along the side part of the house that was isolated & ran down the side of the garage. Unlike the other 3 sections that were basically all windows & glass doors, all 3 storeys. The room where JB was found in the basement, used to be a coal bin as the house was from the 1920s. Basically it was under the sunroom, front left corner if standing looking at the front of the house. The cellar was used for storage & the Xmas trees were kept in there. That was the only room in that whole house that was cement & didn’t have a window. Due to changes over the years & then the Ramsey’s renovations, as there was no window, that room wasn’t visible from the outside. To get to that room, one went down the basement to the bottom of the stairs, a turn to the left & straight down the hall where the door to that room at the end was straight ahead & clearly visible, as seen in the cops’ walk-thru videos. The stories about that as a hidden room are Not true. The stories about that room being known only to the family are Not true. Soo much BS still going around about this case, for 26 years & counting. Being from back in the day, the light switch fixture for that room was situated at an odd place, one had to step inside, take x many steps to the left & it was hanging from a cord on the other side of the beam, about halfway into the room. There was a doorknob but no lock. To Pull the door open, one had to firstly reach up to the top & flip the wooden latch up then pull on the doorknob. The basement was painted about 1 year prior. The palm print on the inside of that cellar door was never identified. The parent’s bedroom suite was the whole of the top storey. Burke’s room was at the front & basically under their bed. JB’s bedroom was 70 metres down from Burkes, through the playroom first & a couple of turns. The spiral staircase was across from but just near JB’s bedroom. That back staircase went down to the main living areas & the quickest route to the kitchen. The basement door was on that level & the entry to get there was near that staircase but up a hall that was separate to those living areas. The main staircase was near the front door. The slot for the mail was to the side of that door with a box to catch it underneath. The Ramseys would enter & exit the house through the garage & the mudroom was near that internal door. Visitors would use the front door or the back patio door that Patsy called the kitchen door. That door was 2 glass doors actually, as seen in photos, the door near that grate. The window for the alcove was next to that door, the alcove where the wall phone was situated.
@@freddie3206 Yeah John & Patsy come across as dumb & dumber hey & obviously both being Dumbos, they dropped a trail of breadcrumbs that led straight to Themselves & also according to all you Ramsey bashers, apparently they were such absolute Imbeciles, they must have had No Idea that Colorado had the Death Penalty. FYI - there are a gross number of people who are murdered in the home when other people are there sleeping. Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s, coal cellar still in situ, no window. There are a gross number of those murderers who have Never been Caught. Only JB’s family are Treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, Of Course. None of you have Read ANY Case Evidence, you’ve just watched TV & picked out the bits that Suit your Character. Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household. Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you Criminal Geniuses & Incessantly for over 26 Years, without even any Respect for the murdered Child. THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who suffered in silence & even More So due to the high number of Monstrous people in the public domain. Now, what part of Exonerated do you Not understand? You should all be Ashamed of yourselves, the rest of the world Sure IS. It would be Very interesting to conduct a survey in the U.S., to find out the percentage of the Ramsey bashers who Do NOT Have - a Four storey 7,000 square foot Mansion - nor 2 private planes, a designer built yacht, a centrefold holiday house & money to Burn. Envy is a Sin you know.
What always kind of bothered me about the case is, in the ransom note ( how did the kidnappers know ) to the dime, how much John Ramsey made? That information isn’t usually public knowledge.
That to me is one of the clearest clues that the parents were involved in the murder. That, and the fact that the easiest way into the house, a broken basement window, had a spider web in that empty space. No one could have gotten in that window without smashing the web. Yet there were apparently no other signs of forced entry.
This was a very, Very well Planned crime. The perps had broken into the house Before, that's Why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. That bonus was for '95 & paid to John in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96, that were in his home office. @@v.r.m.891
It's sick that the mother and father had that child in those pagents at such a young age! No matter what the truth is they are still resposeable for her death.
Right, so according to Your victim bashing brain cells, all kids who are murdered, the parents had them in pageants. People like You are the bane of society.
Thanks viewing 1996 through 2023 eyes. What other time periods do you want to judge through 2023 vision? The 600s? Do you think it was sick they tied a horse to each of a persons limbs and pulled them apart? What about the 1800s? Do you think its sick they would hang someone and leave their body hanging until the head came off and children would often turn these locations into hangout spots with a body hanging above that could decapitate and fall on them at any time? Was that sick? What about healthcare in the 1800s and before? Do you think it was sick that surgeons would stick their fingers inside of peoples open wounds without ever washing their hands? Was it sick that they never washed their aprons as it was an indicator of how experienced they were? Many getting to the point they would take a solid form? Do you think that was sick? Please tell us more things that you think is sick that was completely normal for the time it happened.
Seeing a child that young in all that makeup and behaving on stage like she did makes me sick to my stomach! And sick is the operative word! The whole situation is SICK! If the little girl had lived what would she have become? That entire family should be ashamed! No doubt her mother went to her grave knowing the truth! Such a shame! Wonder how the mother would have handled it if her daughter had been born ugly?
This case is always so surreal to me. I was 7 when it happened and I didn't quite comprehend everything going on in the news, but I remember seeing that picture of her face a lot. Rip JonBenet
What kind of a mother and father would allow their children to be dressed like an adult, in an obviously sexual way!? Six years old! If I had my way, those two grotesque and creepy people would be in prison. Those kinds of "beauty pageants" should be illegal. Disgusting. What a planet.
The girl was molested time and time again, she had yeast infections at age 6 and they said her vagina looked like an adult woman’s. I don’t think that the family tried to cover up their son, I think either the father molested her and ended up killing her or they pimped her to family friends and this happened. I find it bizarre that people ignore that jonbenet was molested when talking about this case. This isn’t an accident. And definitely it’s not normal for parents to be calm enough to cover up their son instead of calling an ambulance to help their daughter even if she appeared dead and then play with her dead body to cover up a scene and write a ransom note.
I do believe she was molested anyone who parades her around dies her hair makes her dance likes stripper is sick plus if you're abuser is in you're home you actually block out the molestation. Plus 3 calls from the home to Jeffery Epstein's island family said they must of miss dialed. 3 times to a Island and 10 minutes was longest she sold her she put her on the market. It's sick but it happens everyday. The parents made me sick.. father and mother ..
I don’t see Anyone railing against all those who Make Up from their sick Heads, all the despicable garbage, which is them Accusing JonBenet Herself, of all the Vile incest & paedophile acts that they conjure up with Glee & post proudly. Of the Hundreds of such comments & Stories that I’ve read from these abhorrent so-called human beings, Nobody says a friggin Thing to them. What a National Disgrace. Hang on that’s right, Lots of Other so-called human beings Do say certain things to them, they Agree with them. And because they’re of the Same Ilk, they’re Bolstered to post Their sick thought processes about the same Vile acts, incest & paedophilia, all about this Child, including 9 year old Burke sometimes & no-one rebukes them in Any way. There was never one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually molested Nor one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually abused. Not one Skerrick about Burke either. Yet the Ramseys & their Kids are very cruelly subjected to a round-robin of particularly grotesque accusations that include - child sacrifice, satanic worship scenarios, pedos at the garden parties, selling their child, their friends being Allowed to abuse their child, society members being Allowed to abuse their child including Of Course, Epstein & so on & so on - on it goes, Incessantly. According to the same so-called human beings, because the Ramseys were wealthy at the time, all of the above is what they did with their spare time. Nobody Ever mentions that the Ramseys had deep faith in God & were avid church goers. One can pop over to the many videos about the Chris Watt’s murder case. Let me know when you find Anyone who has posted Any comment about Him sexually abusing his little girls Or any other comment about a gang of his friends who did the same & worse. Of all the Hundreds of videos about same subject & victimology, Nobody talks about Any of Those kids as soo many do about This, highly intelligent 6 year old murdered little girl. Shame on you. BTW - what part of Exonerated do you Not understand?
My theory: somebody obviously had a bandage kink and liked to tie up little girls. The father? Someone the family knee? I mean the death could have been "accidental" in that the person wasn't intending to kill her but they went a little too far or something went wrong and they realized she was dead. They couldn't just explain that to the police that she died as a result of that, it would probably still be first degree murder due to the reckless nature of the conduct, with the mandatory sentence of life or death. So they decided to stage this as a break in. It never really made sense but what else could they do? They probably thought about putting her in the car and hiding her body somewhere but that would be very risky, if anyone saw either of them leave, come back or driving around town late at night it would be over they'd be absolutely done. If it was an intruder of course they would have taken the body with them, that way the note they spent all that time writing would actually throw the police off for more than an hour. She was 6, and on the thinner side for her age, this is not a 150lb or 200lb adult, he could have easily removed her from the house but ne he decides to leave all that evidence just waiting for the police.
@@JamesWatheistit was a very high up person. JbR’s daddy had all these lucrative contracts that had made him multimillionaire.... Parents just sold off their daughter for the sake of climbing socially.Yeah that person overdid it accidentally....
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. * Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. They were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never SEEN Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write a ransom note & on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, the Case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this 6 year old Child *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@DebraHarrison-b2x actually im a former fbi handwriting expert...i concluded it was indeed patsys handwriting no doubt...it wasnt even close the letters were perfect matches
@@richardlawson6787 Anyone can come here and say they are a handwriting expert can't they?. Patsy wrote to someone in London before JonBenet was murdered. It's called the 'London Letter'. I've seen it and it doesn't match the ransom note at all.
The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long Long time ago with a mountain of Actual evidence & by a whole bunch of Actual experts under the umbrella of Law Enforcement who included the Seasoned expert investigators who had to be brought into the case, expert Crime Scene techs & expert DNA & forensic Scientists. You are nothing but another daft Nobody who watched a few biased TV shows full of False information that you believed because you Chose to do that as you’re not very Bright. Doh. At least you’re not the only one with that affliction. You are wrong, you will Always be wrong & you need to deal with that Fact! All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent. The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly. Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re & on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both perps’ DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.. Now go play.
This could be possible if the child was a victim of auto-erotic asphyxiation. The perpetrator cut off her air supply during the deviant sexual act and realized that he/she/they had gone too far and were unable to resuscitate her. She was then hit over the head to stage the rest of it. So tragic all the way around. The wealthy elites and their Pedo rings stop at nothing for their perverse sexual acts against children.
My thing was why wasn’t the ransom note left in her room when taken. Why would they take her to the basement-write the letter- then creep back up but stop at the staircase (maybe they heard someone waking up) but that would debunk them being at the home for hours. Her corpse was already in a rigor mortis state 1-6 hours. Finding her at 1pm would line up with thier story of contacting the police would kill her meaning she died that instant when she called and police arrived+plue them leaving the scene all at the same time dosnt make sense. I call bs. A stun gun is loud af in the middle of the night. And that torture would be loud so the family had to know something.
Most people would leave the note on the kitchen table where you know most normal families will be getting up and getting breakfast straightaway in the kitchen as soon as they wake in the morning and they wud then spot the note
@@KeepingTheFaith123 I would argue that “ most people “ (kidnappers) would leave it where the kidnap-ee’ was taken from, perhaps even with an item or bodily fluids from the victim if it was in another location like the front door. But from the inside. The stairs seems like an over thought.
@@gioguillen311 FYI - the Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long Long time ago with a mountain of Actual evidence & by a whole bunch of Actual experts under the umbrella of Law Enforcement who included the Seasoned expert investigators who had to be brought into the case, expert Crime Scene techs & expert DNA & forensic Scientists. You are nothing but another daft Nobody who watched a few biased TV shows full of False information that you believed because you Chose to do that as you’re not very Bright. Doh. At least you’re not the only one with that affliction. You are wrong, you will Always be wrong & you need to deal with that Fact! All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent. The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly. Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re & on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both perps’ DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@gioguillen311 This was a very, Very well Planned crime for money that turned into a revenge crime against John. You kids know Nothing about this case except the tabloid fodder BS & 99% of you don't have the brain cells for True crime anyway. From his vantage point, Glenn Meyer could see through both staircase windows & knew the Ramseys came down the back stairs to make coffee each morning. The perps who got in the house on the afternoon of the 25th, had broken in Before. BTW - it is a proven Fact that an air taser was used, more than one place on that child's person. Then there's the fact that the house was a huge mansion, 3 levels plus the basement, that had multiple rooms & many cupboards. The parent's bedroom suite was the whole of the Top level.
The concept of child beauty pageants is just inherently wrong. A 6-year-old is way way way too young to understand all the issues involved in such things. Even an 18-year-old might be too young. If beauty pageants are going to exist at all, then all participants should have to be at least 25 years old, and they all voluntarily decided to enter the pageant.
John and Patsy are the killers. How else would John know exactly where to look for the body? And it was obvious that Patsy wrote the "ransom" note. It's amazing how the detectives, etc , couldn't deduce this from the very beginning!!
Have you read police report. A cop in the morning was in the basement walked right past a door to a small room part of basement an never bothered to go in that room hours later a clueless detective sling with other cops an 1st the dispatcher had no clue it was a crime scene let's family friends stay in house all day. Believe it or not the lady detective asks John to go around check everything again when John goes in basement he opens that door JB laying on floor dead. Complete lack of depth of the situation by police.
@@cherylthompson2731 To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., where their kids were present & some adult relatives. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon there at about 2 p.m., by detective Patterson who was at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither of his parents were present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that despicable Bogus CBS show was aired after that also in 2016, Patterson publicly defended Burke & stated on national TV that he’d conducted an interview with 9 year old Burke & he didn't know Anything at all & he’d been very worried that his little sister was still missing. Burke was interviewed again 10 days later by a police child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer or parents were with him & his parents had Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer nor his parents were with him & again, his parents Allowed that interview to take place. Then, the poor Kid received a Subpoena to appear before the grand jury & off he went to do that Also, neither parent present & NO Lawyer there Either. N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. It was Not. Forensic science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. BTW - pineapple is Acidic, it would Curdle friggin Milk. They had all been up since 6 - 6.30 a.m. that Xmas Day morning & the kids played all day & with friends that afternoon & then again for half the night at the White's Xmas dinner party til about 9 p.m. JB fell into an Exhausted sleep when they got in the car to go home, making 2 stops on the way to drop off presents. JB was only 6 years old, she Did NOT Wake Up After That. Burke did Not say on the Dr Phil interview that he ‘woke up & went downstairs’ to play with a toy. He walked in the door & went straight to his multi-storey car garage that he was given for Xmas. His father went downstairs, helped him put that together for 15-20 minutes then took him up to his room & helped him get ready for bed. The kids Never went downstairs on their own at night. Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a toy golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The ever changing faeces Stories are Not true. He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister in that interview 10 days later. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously were Not told the Details about all that happened to their little friend. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking. The announcement through the media at the time was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were just After her death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open front to back & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole, the skull piece being split in 2 & inside. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot with the added on BS coming from Jim Clemente in 2016 & so that farcical CBS show. One needs to Think about WHY that police Evidence of the 911 recording was put on a TV programme After the Ramsey’s book was released & they had appeared on the Larry King show in March 2000 where they spoke publicly about some of the cops’ failings. One needs to find out about Steve Thomas first though, the former narcotics officer, including that he constantly talked about the book he was going to write when supposedly working this case of a Child’s brutal murder. He said that Patsy hadn't hung up the phone properly & he said Burke could be heard saying something in the background. He accused the Ramseys of lying in saying Burke was asleep when that call was made. They were Incensed about that Next accusation & wanted to Hear what the cops were talking about. And, Thomas said Burke Only. The cops refused to let the Ramseys hear that recording. John & Patsy were So upset, they went on national TV & told the World what they had just been accused of & challenged the cops to cough-up with the tape. All went quiet. Please note, all this was After the grand jury hearing that took 13 months & where Burke was again questioned for a long time by the Special Prosecutor this time, Michael Kane. Next thing, a TV Show has the recording, Words are put on screen & suddenly it's supposedly All 3 Ramseys in the background. How amusing but typical form from that scumbag Steve Thomas who’s nothing but a Proven Liar, who’s only accolade before this murder case was busting a bike theft ring. He released his childish book, was promptly sued for all the Lies & lost every cent that he made from the public’s purse strings. He had then moved overseas with his tail firmly planted between his legs. When calling 911 Patsy was using the Wall phone in the alcove that was near that door by the grate that she called the kitchen door. John was reading the note over & over by her Then. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the metal cradle that was at the side of that phone is Clearly heard, CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. Under that phone on the wall, was a cupboard. If Patsy had put the handset down, all would have heard CLUNK. Here’s the thing, why would they lie about Burke being downstairs? He was Allowed downstairs! Yawn. And then there’s the Fact that the closeted 9 year old Kid, would have coughed up in a nanosecond that he was there when his mother made that 911 call. Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$. In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained & Excited to be fired up. DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that only the Ramsey bashers Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003. People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB. People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used & did Not belong to the Ramseys. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright. FYI - Burke was Never even a suspect & that’s Why, within the Multitude of TV shows before 2016, he was never mentioned because the journos & presenters had No reason/cause to talk about him.
I still blame it on someone who worked in the house. Someone who had access to everything. Someone who could’ve left the window open to get in. If they were an inside employee, they could have sat there at their leisure that day, and written a note, because nobody was home. And then left the window open to come back later. This case has been looked at so many different ways for so long and it’s so sad.
If it were an inside employee using window to get in or out ( which makes no sense) then the cob webs would've been broken and they weren't. There wasn't an intruder and it wasn't an employee of the Ramsey's. JB died by the hand of a family member. Most likely Burke and JR put the kidnapping plot together with PR helping to set the scene.
@@radicalreactions1633 Yup. That has been my thought also for many years. As a matter of fact, J.R himself has expressed the same possibility himself, because a very rarely mentioned fact is that Johns company had a contract with none other than Lockheed martin itself. That's a BIGGIE.
The ransom note wanted the exact amount of the father's bonus. The exact amount. No way that's a coincidence. The odds of someone guessing that have to be so improbable as to be impossible. Most people don't talk about how much they've received in bonus. It has to be a small number of people who knew that. Look at who knew the amount of the bonus and the killer will be one of them.
Jon's brother was slow and known for his violent outbursts. He's abused his sister before, and JonBenet's stomach contents revealed that she had consumed a pineapple dessert that was her brother's favorite. Jon's mother can also be heard yelling "What did you do?!" on the phone call when she thought she had already hung-up. This leads me to believe that the brother struck his sister out of anger (for stealing his food) and fatally injured her. The family, now panicked, staged a scene and shelled out money to tamper with evidence to protect their remaining child.
Why don't you just admit that you watched that bogus CBS 'show' & believed it all? Yawn. FYI - the Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long Long time ago with a mountain of Actual evidence & by a whole bunch of Actual experts under the umbrella of Law Enforcement who included the Seasoned expert investigators who had to be brought into the case, expert Crime Scene techs & expert DNA & forensic Scientists. You are nothing but another daft Nobody who watched a few biased TV shows full of False information that you believed because you Chose to do that as you’re not very Bright. Doh. At least you’re not the only one with that affliction. You are wrong, you will Always be wrong & you need to deal with that Fact! All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent. The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly. Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re & on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both perps’ DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.. Now go play.
watch the boy get interviewed by police on day 2! "are u scared to be in the house now?" they ask He shrugs nonchalantly.."no..." Why? Supposedly his sister was murdered there hours before!
To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., in Fact, where many adult relatives of the Whites were present & their 2 kids. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon of the 26th when he was still there, by detective Patterson, who was on the scene at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither parent was present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to the where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that Bogus CBS show was aired in 2016, Patterson publicly stated on national TV that Burke didn't know Anything & he was very worried that his little sister was still missing. Burke was interviewed 10 days after the murder of his 6 year old sister, by a child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer was present with him & the parent's Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer was present with Burke & the parents Allowed that interview to take place as well. N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. Science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The faeces Stories are Not true. He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously are Not told the Details about all that happened. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking. The announcement through the media was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were After death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot. Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$. In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained. DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that most people Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003. People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB. People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used. The 1st fracture was front to back & Open, nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole & the skull piece was split in 2 & inside. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright. FYI - the Ramseys never put one foot back in that house Ever again from the moment JB was found & they left about half hour later.
@@myracurtis7706 The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP to Be. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. *Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.* The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* Chief Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. *Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.* The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
“I know, everyone says how pretty our child is so let’s make her up to look like some kind of adult model sex symbol then take her and show her off to large groups of adults that all love watching children made up to look like adults”. Lunacy
There is something seriously Wrong with people like You who see this little girl's beautiful costumes & dresses as the child being made up to look like some sort of adult sex symbol. Go get Help. BTW - the pageants are attended by mothers, aunts, grandmothers, sisters, you know, Females.
The most difficult situation in this investigation is wanting to fit a stranger as the killer into this crime scene. That huge ransom letter written with the house's paper and pen, in impeccable handwriting, is unbelievable and the exact amount requested, exchanged in small numbers, corresponded to an amount received as a bonus by the victim's father. Obviously the victim's father was not going to write the letter. Who asks for a ransom and leaves the body in the victim's own home? It is theoretically impossible for an intruder to waste time calmly composing a long letter with the victim's parents inside the house. Therefore, it does not hear intruders. The victim's parents' lawyers did everything they could to hinder the investigation.
The Ramseys were Proven Innocent way back when the wheel was invented then officially & Very publicly Exonerated in 2008 - with a mountain of Actual evidence & by a whole bunch of Actual experts under the umbrella of Law Enforcement, including expert DNA scientists. Chet Ubowski from the CBI decided that a few of the letters within that printed note were similar to Patsy's print writing of the same letters & the flame was lit. Loads of unscrupulous dimwits have made Loads of Money from a note that Patsy did Not write. Nobody would Handwrite 365 words & numbers to form a 3 page ridiculous ransom note & do that on their Own notepad plus use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops. NOBODY! Patsy was Not an Imbecile but this case has shown that there are a humungous amount of people who Are. Police do Not hand over their Case Evidence to journalists, TV producers, radio hosts, writers of books Or utube promoters Or any outside 'influencers'. This case has Never been to something called a Trial. You people know absolutely Nothing besides tabloid Fodder. Stick to your one hour made up simple plot TV crime shows, that tell ya the ending, True crime is Way over your head.
Z J, Douglas was full of sh*t! There was no intruder. John Ramsey lied and changed his story to many times. He also acted very suspicious. No intruder is going to kill a child, redress her wrap her in her favorite blanket that happened to be upstairs in the dryer. This was an inside job. Lou Smit was right with his first theory that it was the parents. Something made him change his mind.
What do you think happened?
He brother did it
There was a Christmas party the night before, with 100 guests. I find it likely a guest could’ve stayed in the house after the party.
The next day, they couldn’t find her and people were coming in and out of the house before she was found.
So the house was big enough for someone to have hidden this long and with people coming and going, they could’ve easily blended back in with the crowd, and simply asked someone for a ride home.
This would also explain the lack of footprints in the snow.
@@legneil is usually a close relative. In this case, it was jealousy. Not sexual. Pure jealousy. Competition. Since they a are rich family, they wanted to cover it. Not to have a problem.
The family
Yu come up with some wild theories. Don't give your day time job up 😂😂😂
Can we all agree that these baby beauty pageants are creepy, wrong and should be abolished?
I'll go a step further: They all should be.
Agreed 👍🏼
amen
it was the mom that killed her little beauty 😂😂😢
@@trueKENTUCKY i think it was the father personally and her mother didn't want to lose her billion dollar meal ticket so she covered it up what i always found interesting is that the ransom note was written on their personal stationary no no kidnapper would be stupid enough to write a ransom note right their in the house they would have to be the dumbest kidnappers in the world. also they wouldn't take the little girl down to the basement of her own house to molest her first that also would be pretty stupid something else that's even more stupid is killing her a dead child doesn't bring any ransom that's why i think it was a family member and i'm convinced it was the father
The fact that the Boulder PD didn't search the basement is absolutely unbelievable
They did, she was behind a door that looked like a piece of wood, not a door. It had a piece of wood that turned and kept this piece of wood closed.
So it was very difficult to tell that this was a door to another room. They missed it.
When Fleet White went downstairs with John he saw John open this wooden "door" and cry out that he'd found Jon Benet before he turned on the light. This was enough to make Fleet turn on the Ramsay's and they weren't friends after he witnessed this peculiar reaction from John.
The whole house was massive, and not particularly well kept. Especially the basement. The police and others said the area containing the body was difficult to access.
@@ryanjacobson2508they also allowed the father to move the body along with other evidence. Their crime scene investigation was amateurish at best.
Yeah what other people said about the cops actually going to the basement. The fact the father knew right where to search. Leads one to believing the parents knew something. I enjoy watching these videos but on more than one occasion they left out key information
@@lorimiller4301 None of that is true. NONE. BTW deary that Normal door can be seen in the cops' video footage of the basement, one went down the stairs & straight down the hall was the door to that room. You have No Idea about Why the Whites & the Ramseys were no longer friends. FYI - the light switch for that room was at an odd place because the house was from the 1920s & that room used to be a coal bin. John knew where that switch was & when he took x steps to the left & about half way in, the light switch fixture was on the other side of the pillar. When he did that the body was basically in front of him. Because he had stepped Inside, he was out of the doorway & the basement lights shone through. A test was carried out & it was proven that John could See.
The Ramsey case will go down in history as one of the most bungled cases of all time. Incompetence at this level should be criminal
Agree Boulder police I'm sure just wants time to pass an move on the police dispatcher the lady detective who told John to go around an look when a cop walked right by an didn't go into a separate basement room where later John found her the next door neighbor who heard a scream at 1 am didn't call police or patsy. Just a sad bunch of mistakes completely ruined forensics. Sometimes I can't help but think Boulder police was so convinced it was a cover up they just purposefully let forensics be ruined. Just an insanely sad story
Right next to Maddie McAnn.
Pedos always cover for other pedos.
I dunno, Hinterkaifeck is up there too.
It is. It’s called corruption
It’s hard to believe that JonBenet would have been 33 years old this year.
The same age as one of my daughters.
IF you truly believed a stranger had been in your house while you were sleeping and made off with your daughter, you wouldn't send your other child up to his room by himself while you frantically dealt with it all. You'd have him glued to your side and refuse to let him out of your sight. You'd go with him to the bathroom. The fact that the parents sent Burke up to his room to be by himself for hours tells me they weren't too worried about strangers creeping around in their house.
Burke never moved from his bed At All deary til taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m. FYI - officer French arrived within 6 minutes of the Start of that desperate 911 call, Patsy had just got off the phone & John was running around trying to find where someone got in. French had them sit in the sunroom & he did a cursory look around then others arrived & officer Veitch. People do what the Cops Tell Them To DO. The cops left Burke in his room to save him from the Trauma going on downstairs. Oh Yeah, it would soo Normal for kidnappers to still be 'creeping around the house' after the parents get up & several Cops are There. Jeez. As usual, more Ignorant shite from someone Else who knows Nothing about this case except for what you read off the back of your cornflake box & clearly you're not very bright. Stick to the Cartoons.
why would a stranger remain in the house if the little girl was missing he was gone by then since the girl was missing
the parents did behave strangely they invited there friends to there home instead of letting the police investigate the crime scene
YES YES YES...Exactly...LOGIC People...the most logical is the brother accidentialy killed her....goin through this elabrate stage scene was moronic.
@@ricardolozano5356 but if your child has been snatched away in the middle of the night while you were sleeping just down the hall, you don't think "Oh well. The danger has passed. The kidnapper has gone, so it's now safe to leave my other child unattended and unsupervised." You would feel so violated and terrified and protective of your other kid that you wouldn't let him out of your sight.
So whoever broke in spent the time to look for a pen and paper then sit there writing a two and a half page letter while the two parents and brother were all upstairs? That's a pretty calm and casual way to behave for someone who has broken in and killed a child, not in any rush. Makes me suspect at least one person in that house knew what happened and was involved.
he could've been in the home before they got home
@@jayb8053 no one writes a ransom note like that.
There are Many reasons why kidnapping has Always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for quick Available cash & with others, that plan turned into a crime about revenge against John. This highly insidious set up was to implicate all Ramseys plus others around them, for good measure. The research began quite some before & that included - the Ramsey’s whole family, friends, associates, neighbours, well known violent movies about kidnapping plots as well as previous famous kidnapping cases & famous sadistic murders. This Plan, JB was Never going to be taken from the basement.
It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called. They sure didn’t go to soo much trouble & take such high risks for nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money.
From footage of the front of the house, it looks like a double storey Tudor style home. From the extensive renovations, that was a Huge 3 storey mansion - plus the basement that had multiple rooms. The butler’s kitchen was another level again, stairs either end to go down there but ground level, with the glass exit door. This section was situated along the side part of the house that was isolated & ran down the side of the garage. Unlike the other 3 sections that were basically all windows & glass doors, all 3 storeys.
The room where JB was found in the basement, used to be a coal bin as the house was from the 1920s. Basically it was under the sunroom, front left corner if standing looking at the front of the house. The cellar was used for storage & the Xmas trees were kept in there. That was the only room in that whole house that was cement & didn’t have a window. Due to changes over the years & then the Ramsey’s renovations, as there was no window, that room wasn’t visible from the outside. To get to that room, one went down the basement to the bottom of the stairs, a turn to the left & straight down the hall where the door to that room at the end was straight ahead & clearly visible, as seen in the cops’ walk-thru videos. The stories about that as a hidden room are Not true. The stories about that room being known only to the family are Not true. Soo much BS still going around about this case, for 26 years & counting. Being from back in the day, the light switch fixture for that room was situated at an odd place, one had to step inside, take x many steps to the left & it was hanging from a cord on the other side of the beam, about halfway into the room. There was a doorknob but no lock. To Pull the door open, one had to firstly reach up to the top & flip the wooden latch up then pull on the doorknob. The basement was painted about 1 year prior. The palm print on the inside of that cellar door was never identified.
The parent’s bedroom suite was the whole of the top storey. Burke’s room was at the front & basically under their bed. JB’s bedroom was 70 metres down from Burkes, through the playroom first & a couple of turns. The spiral staircase was across from but just near JB’s bedroom. That back staircase went down to the main living areas & the quickest route to the kitchen. The basement door was on that level & the entry to get there was near that staircase but up a hall that was separate to those living areas. The main staircase was near the front door. The slot for the mail was to the side of that door with a box to catch it underneath. The Ramseys would enter & exit the house through the garage & the mudroom was near that internal door. Visitors would use the front door or the back patio door that Patsy called the kitchen door. That door was 2 glass doors actually, as seen in photos, the door near that grate. The window for the alcove was next to that door, the alcove where the wall phone was situated.
Lou Smit's theory is most likely the answer.
The person used objects that were readily found nearby, that's not what a 'calculated' murderer would do so I agree with you. The note was long and I have read in other places that the handwriting is very similar to the mothers. Also, why would the murderer leave the body in the house? This is a sloppy crime scene and you can tell right away, so the family is super suspicious to me. I honestly think, and this is just opinion of mine, that one of the three did it. The mom just seems too suspicious the way she acts. A seriously innocent mother or father or family member would be crying their eyes out, making pleas and posters which this lady did not she was making interviews like she enjoyed them. I'm waiting for detectives to get the clear on taking that DNA from the "other two individuals" and using genetic geneology to find out who's blood it is, because really what criminal would want a ransom just to leave the body tied up and killed in the basement of the person's house??? Another thing, if you tase or tie someone up, they would be making a ton of noise, thrashing about, yelling and screaming and crying enough to wake up the people in the house. It's just too much to believe it was someone else.
I wish this case would finally get solved. That baby needs justice.
Waterboard John Ramsey until he talks!
@@brettwheeler7753he is trying to get it solved!
"That baby needs justice"? How in hell, think about it, at least few seconds!
No. You think this story needs closure. Not for her. For you.
@@brettwheeler7753 he’s been trying for YEARS to get the boulder PD to further test the DNA. Yet the boulder cops refuse. They are protecting someone in their ranks. The family was completely cleared. Why won’t the Boulder PD further test the evidence?
The head injury was not to "finish the job" - the autopsy showed that her brain had swelled - this means she likely was alive with the head injury for some time. The head injury absolutely came first.
The ransom note was written on their stationary, with their pen (which was neatly put back - what a nice intruder!), and the writing was strikingly similar to Patsy's. I believe experts reviewed and found 23 out of 26 letters in the alphabet matched when they compared a sample of Patsy's writing to the note.
Also not mentioned is how huge this house is and how an intruder would absolutely have to know the layout. It is not your typical home.
Boulder police failed on this for so many reasons, one of which being that they rarely ever had murders. They average one a year. There were not violent pedophiles killing children near JonBenet. She lived in a pretty safe, rich community. Crime was absurdly low.
I don't claim to know what happened, but whoever did this at the very least, knew the Ramsey's.
Even a couch potato who's ever watched a TV show knows you don't contaminate a crime scene. These are police officers?
There was no 'head injury', there were Two separate severe fractures of the skull, the 1st was front to back & open to nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole, the skull piece was split in 2 & inside. The autopsy report did Not say that about the brain at all, because it is Not true. The authentic autopsy report can be found online, the 1st of 9 pages has the symbol for Boulder County, top left corner. No expert found 23 out of 26 letters in the alphabet that matched when they compared a sample of Patsy's writing the note, at all, did not happen, not true. JB was not killed by a paedophile as such, but by sadistic sociopaths who got off on torture tactics in relation to photos, meaning money, who also had no problems viciously strangling John's beloved daughter to death then committing the gross fractures to her head which were done for a Reason. Yes neighbours, 2 different houses, who the Ramseys did not know were even living in their street.
You could have just written _"I know virtually nothing about this case"_ and saved yourself all that typing.
The writing was not decidedly strikingly similar to Patsy’s. The opposite is true. There may have been a minor similarity or two but it wasn’t Patsy’s handwriting. People just insist that it matched so they can keep pretending that a nine year old boy beat her to near death.
These comments are so obvious and to the point of common sense and an act you’d do as a normal human , reaction …👏🏻
Blow to the head potentially is what intentionally or by accident started the whole storyline to begin with. Whom did it and who covered it up is yet to be made history in confirmation.
Yet the poor girl had to suffer until she reached the basement whilst the rest of the cruel act was being finalised to cover up such a dreadful act of cruelty.
Knowing your daughter was alone. Dead. Cold and unloved at this point in your own home in a location you’d never wish to be yourself alive , is beyond me.
Whether they slept knowing this or stayed awake is also beyond me.
Is the bum print in the carpet a true fact , is this true. If so why wasn’t it made a obvious point in question. Size alone would determine roughly who it was left in the house. What a chilling act of lying in waiting this way if that were the case. Surely the carpet has dna on or recent salvia if they were nervous mouth twitching with their hands etc then touching the surrounding area ??
So many questions so little answers
Writing of the note , if this bared such a resemblance to the ransom note written then why wasn’t she interviewed or questioned and the other letters gathered as proof or pursuance??
Layout of the house - that’s so true.
When you go into someone’s home for the first time you pretty much have it buttoned down in one the layout as such , no matter the size. The intricate parts and specifics of hidden areas later unfold the more you go however the intruder supposed to knew it inside and out , where everything he or she needs and more is close by or to hand??
So many tell tale signs here 😮
What still also baffles me now is on the second search knowing police haven’t been their cause they never locked the house down and exempted all persons under police surveillance is that family and friends mopped up the house tidy and clean whisky the dad casually of all places went to the basement and around one corner to the other to such a small part of it hidden unless you knew it was their and found her!!
Then clearly tempered with evidence and took her upstairs which normal reactions you would be then knowing the crime scene plotted in-house or not has been tempered with is crazy actions from a man of such high calibre and common sense?!?! Hinting at his bonus etc weirdly wanted to take the family via plane days after the event to where and for what reason. Escape and go on the run!!! Different country laws and conviction policies. Just a total injustice
No outside killer writes a 2 1/2 page letter to make demands . Once they have done their murder , they take off.
It is absolutely clear, this sweet little girl was killed by someone in the Hause. It is so sad these people are so rich, and had no room for their little girl.
Right? The ransom was sooo long! Not to mention Patsy could NEVER be ruled out as the writer.
After committing a murder & digging through the home long enough to find paper & pen 🤦🏻♂️
@@Z-J- You have that right, nobody would take the time to do all that.
It's a inside job.
Yes. If it was an intruder why would Patsy (whose handwriting on the note could not be excluded as the note’s author) cover it up?
Yes, if there was a real kidnapping, she would logically have been taken from the home whether dead or alive, so the perpetrator(s) could get the ransom.
I think it's stupid to say that her MURDER was an accidental killing. She was garotted and beat on the head so hard it broke her skull in 2. That was NO accident.
Agree any who this k this was. Burke look at the autopsy photos
If I remember correctly, the cause of death was asphyxiation (strangulation) and the blow to the head was post mortem.
@@mrtunapie6653no, I think the autopsy said that it was most likely the head injury first which caused her brain to swell. Strangulation came after
Maybe to cover up an accident ???
@@fionameah3743 You should find the photo of the X-ray of this poor little girl’s skull that’s online & that alone will dispel all the BS 'bonk on the head' stories. TWO severe fractures, one front to back on the top & open to nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd, two weapons used to make the hole, the skull piece was split in 2 & inside the cavity. It is a fact that if Either of the fractures had occurred Before death, the skull would have been filled with blood, it Wasn't. And, that flashlight was Never a weapon used & did Not belong to the Ramseys anyway. The acts of torture to her privates were carried out on & off over a period of Hours with the complex made Bondage Device. JB was strangled to death when Patsy was calling 911 upstairs & THEN the gross damage to her head that was also pre-planned if the cops were called. And that is just the Basics of what the 17 & 24 year old Monsters did to this little girl & with their cohorts as look-outs, not far away.
Not even One person talks about how Long it takes to strangle someone to death.
The general public need to Comprehend that - NOBODY would try to disguise their writing, by Handwriting a 365 words & numbers Ransom note & use their Own notepad to do that & then tell the cops, detectives, seasoned homicide investigators & everyone else that they found the 3 pages spread out on one of the rungs of the back staircase - and For The Cops, would have just plopped the sharpie used in the pen cup & put the notepad on the hall table. More than one keystone cop was a Moron who fantasied about how to get a mansion instead of doing their Job & from there, the breeding of same morons, is evident at all sites about this case. The various Fake pages of writing ‘samples’ as If Patsy did that & as If from the police files, just another Rort. You the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s writing.
Y’all need to Grow Up.
The never ending made up salacious story telling began due to the BPD trying to cover up their total Incompetence & it continues unabated from nefarious a##wipes on utube shitshows for the purpose of Making Money from the ignorant, the gullible, the hateful & the Stupid.
People in your country just Love to hate on their betters, that's why the tabloid magazines still proliferate. The never ending Fooltube videos about this poor little girl's family - one big fat tabloid magazine. One would think that you people would have wised up by now but No, it's too much fun to run every member of this fine upstanding family right down to the ground hey. Shame on you all.
FYI - there are Many reasons why kidnapping has Always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for quick Available cash & with others, that plan turned into even more insidious events as a revenge crime against John. The totally twisted Set Up was to implicate all Ramseys plus others around them for good measure & the housekeeper too, who they Knew had a key.
Their research began quite some before & that included - the Ramsey’s whole family, friends, associates & neighbours of course & then the study about well known violent movies about kidnapping plots & so the 5 movie quotes within the note. They were also in tune with previous famous kidnapping cases & famous sadistic murders. This Plan, JB was Never going to be taken from the basement.
It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called. They sure didn’t go to soo much trouble & take such high risks for nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money.
You kids can’t possibly Fathom what happened at Any stage because this crime hasn’t been a script for your one hour made up simple plot TV crime shows, that tell ya the beginning, the middle & the end. Then there’s the Fact that, like for soo many other Ignorant Ramsey bashers, True crime is clearly Way over your head, as it was for Many keystone cops who Played at working this case. The so-called ‘detectives’ who had Never worked a murder case before, Ever.
You & your like watch a TV interview here & there &/or a Biased TV show or two & for some bizarre reason, you actually believe that You know Everything. People like You are the bane of society, make sure you’re Never on a jury.
All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or Ollie Grey OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.
FYI - all Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago & finally Officially exonerated in 2008 due to all the evidence known at that time, over 200 pieces of, that Showed someone Was in that house. And, the investigation continued with Seasoned actual homicide investigators who had full Integrity & who worked tirelessly Unpaid, because Their sole purpose was to find a highly sadistic child killer. None wrote a book trying to line their own pockets. You, the general public know Nothing about the actual Case Evidence.
The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly.
Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re on the job. The DNA from one of the unknown male intruders was mixed in with one spot of JB's blood in the big underpants that he & his cohort put on her his Saliva has been in CODIS since 2003. That DNA did Match the DNA from under JB's pinkie fingernails & the DNA from 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. As of the results in 2016 with advanced forensics - the 2nd unknown male's DNA, also on the long-johns & he is hispanic.
The cold case team also have the go-ahead to have both perps’ DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally.
One can only hope that this cold case team will have the same Integrity. And, that none will be after a book deal like certain officers from before, who are Totally responsible for every single vile accusation against all Ramsey family members that goes on & on still to this day for No sound reason At All.
I absolutely believe the mother knew what happened and was trying to protect another family member but her secret went to the grave with her.
Alot of people initially had similar thoughts, but I would say to you that is probably because of not knowing enough of the important details. For instance, 3 types of unknown male DNA were were found on JBR, including under her nails, and on her panties. The blood stain found on her panties were from an unknown male aswell. She was strangled with a garote which is not typical for a mum to strangle her beloved daughter with. When one considers the amount of love her mum showed her and the time she put into giving JBR a successful career it's seems ludicrous she would have any part in her murder. It was a set up made to look like the parents were involved. What makes you think that btw, apart from the note which really got most scratching their head.
John was acting the weirdest. And the least "human". I really think he was a molester. he and Fleet also severed ties.
Then how do you explain the male DNA found in her underpants? It did not match any family member. It had to get there somehow.
they found DNA that ruled out all family members it's been about 5 months since they got a good DNA profile they should catch the prev soon now
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Im sorry, but dressing up a baby, putting makeup on her, and making her act sexy is just wrong on so many levels.
It's horrific. She was 6 going on 26, with dyed hair and loads of makeup. Who does that to a child?
I don't like those pageants at all but if you think that was sexy, YOU are the problem. You ate sexualizing her bc of her lipstick and costumes. Those little girls weren't dancing sexually. You're seeing it that way and that is far more concerning than the performance.
Was the hula hooping sexy? Or the singing? What are you talking about???
@sfletch3042 all of it! Bleaching a 6 year olds hair, dressing, and putting makeup 💄 on her like she's an adult, prancing around in front of strangers is not cool. Hope you aren't a mother if you think that's right!
I totally agree!
If one of your children went missing surely you would search the house inch by inch ...several times ? I just can't understand how it took so long to find her .
simonflint61, I think the plan was to take her body out of the home when they left to go to Georgia, but the plans changed because the BPD told them not to leave Boulder.
What part of Ransom Note do you Not understand?
@@freddie3206 They were to head to their holiday house in Charlevoix, In Fact & that's why they were up so early that morning. John Andrew, Melinda & her boyfriend were meeting them in Minneapolis then all flying together in the Ramsey's plane for a 2nd Xmas gift giving at that house. And they had a Pilot. So, stop spouting your ignorant Ridiculous crap over & over at soo many sites about a case that You Know Nothing About.
@@bethryan9077 ransom note or not I would have still searched the house inch by inch
Her parents probably thought the police would search the whole house. When they left without searching the basement the parents were probably like tf.
7:06 "accidentally murdered" ?
You cant accidentally murder someone. You can accidentally kill a person.
Its like people dont know the meaning of the words nowadays
What if you murder the wrong person?
@@dino9071 then it's not an accident is it
Yes, a flash of anger can cause fatal injuries. If the brother who may have had anger issues lost control of his emotions and beat the girl for instance, it would not be murder per se. It would be a sick child acting out on another child.
@@jeanbeans7926 No, that would definitely be a murder.
let's not forget that she was wrapped in her blanket that was in the dryer. No intruder knew that, and wouldn't care enough to wrap her up anyway. Also Burke's knife was hidden in a closet, but was used in basement to cut. No intruder knew where to find it. The fact that when 10:00 that morning came and parents didn't seem to care, when they should of been waiting for that call with baited breath, tells me everything, like they knew she was dead, and how, and where she was.
There was DNA on the child's clothing that did not match anyone from the family.
@@karenryder6317 Yes gathered from under the fingernails. But the problem is the ransom note. It was written inside the home and is long winded. What motive would some one have to to write those three pages? Its not believable that someone planning a kidnapping for ransom money would forget to come with a note. The only motive for the note would misdirection or to stage the scene. Someone pedo off the street who attempts a kidnaping and it goes wrong simply leaves the house. It either has to be an inside job or a frame up. If it is a frame up maybe some one who knew John and wanted revenge and paid another who was unknown to the parents to do the dirty work. It does not add up.
@@Xinjiekou_新街口_Station There are Many reasons why kidnapping has Always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for quick Available cash & with others, that plan turned into a crime about revenge against John. This highly insidious set up was to implicate all Ramseys plus others around them, for good measure. The research began quite some before & that included - the Ramsey’s whole family, friends, associates & neighbours of course & then the study about well known violent movies about kidnapping plots & so the 5 movie quotes within the note. They were also in tune with previous famous kidnapping cases & famous sadistic murders. This Plan, JB was Never going to be taken from the basement.
It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called. They sure didn’t go to soo much trouble & take such high risks for nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money.
From footage of the front of the house, it looks like a double storey Tudor style home. From the Ramsey’s extensive renovations, that was a Huge 3 storey mansion - plus the basement that had multiple rooms & heating, many big cupboards, water, a bathroom, a phone & 2 separate window exit points if needed. The butler’s kitchen was another level again, stairs either end to go down there but ground level, with the glass exit door. This section was situated along the side part of the house that was isolated & ran down the side of the garage. Unlike the other 3 sections that were basically all windows & glass doors, all 3 storeys.
The cement rendered room where JB was found, used to be a coal bin as the house before renovations down the years, was from the 1920s. Basically that ‘cellar’ room was under the sunroom, front left corner if standing looking at the front of the house. That cellar was used for storage & along with some other things, the Xmas trees were kept in there. That was the only room in that whole house that Didn’t have a Window. Due to changes over the years & then the Ramsey’s renovations, as there was no window, that room wasn’t visible from the outside. To get to that room, one went down the basement to the bottom of the stairs & straight down the hall where the door to that room was Clearly visible, as seen in the cops’ walk-thru videos. The stories about that as a hidden room are Not true. The stories about that room being known only to the family are Not true. Soo much BS still going around about this case, for 26 years & counting. Being from back in the day, the light switch for that room was situated at an odd place, one had to step inside, take x many steps to the left & the light switch fixture was hanging from a cord on the other side of the beam, about halfway into the room. There was a doorknob on that door but no lock. To Pull the door open, one had to firstly reach up to the top & flip the wooden latch up then pull on the doorknob. The basement was painted about 1 year prior. The palm print on the inside of that cellar door was never identified. There were many items of evidence in that room besides the Hi-Tec Shoeprint, that was Not a boot. There was also another different partial shoeprint on the other side.
The perps were listening to Patsy call 911 on another phone. The laundry room was situated at the stair end of the basement, with the big washing machine plus the big clothes dryer. A black phone was on the end of the bench near the doorway opposite the washing machine. The perps put that black & white photo of when Patsy won Miss West Virginia, stuck to the wall above that phone.
A second washer & dryer were upstairs near JB’s room then an ironing/work room with a sink.
The boiler room in the basement had the window with the bars on it, front of the house. The rest of the wall to the right, most of the cellar was on the other side. There was a pipe vent that went out the top of the boiler room window. The short shrill scream from JB was heard by a neighbour at about 1.30 a.m., because she lived directly across the road & had her bedroom window open a bit. The scream was from JB when first taken to the boiler room, as the cord was quickly released from her neck. A test was carried out & it was proven that no scream could be heard upstairs from the basement. The perps went out of the house for a while because of that scream then went back in. From the very top of the steep hill at the end of the street, one could see the whole area. These 2 vicious perps had 2 cohorts as look-outs.
The parent’s bedroom suite was the whole of the top storey. Burke’s room was at the front & basically under their bed. JB’s bedroom was 70 metres down from Burkes, through the playroom first & a couple of turns. The spiral staircase was across from but just near JB’s bedroom. That back spiral staircase went down to the main living areas & the quickest route to the kitchen. The basement door was on that level & the entry to get there was near that staircase but up a hall that was separate to those living areas. The main staircase was near the front door. The slot for the mail was to the side of that door with a box to catch it underneath. The Ramseys would enter & exit the house through the garage & the mudroom was near that internal door. Visitors would use the front door or the back patio door that Patsy called the kitchen door. That door was 2 glass doors actually, as seen in photos, the door near that grate. The window for the alcove was next to that door, the alcove where the wall phone was situated that Patsy used to call 911. That wall phone had a good length cord & the cradle for the handset was metal. The note was moved to & spread out on the floor just by that alcove doorway, John was on his knees by the door reading it over & over. When the operator asked Patsy who sent it (lol), Patsy leant out the doorway a bit & could See the Big writing at the bottom of the 3rd page. Because it was Last as a signage, the S.B.T.C caught her attention First, then she saw the word Victory.
They were up so early that morning when still Dark, because they were to go to their holiday house in Charlevoix, on their private plane & so, the pilot had that plane ready. JB was found after 1 p.m. & John was told they had to leave as the house was then a Crime Scene. In Front of a cop, John called his pilot wanting to get to some sort of Safety & to Family in Atlanta, two perfectly Normal things to want to do. That cop relayed what he heard to the PD & John was told they couldn’t leave so they stayed with friends in Boulder with police around them 24/7. Those various police officers were around the family & visitors for a week & officially stated that the Ramseys were deeply grieving parents & there was nothing adverse to report.
@@Xinjiekou_新街口_Station The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
*Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.*
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another.
What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
*NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!*
The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
FYI - I tell the True Facts about this case, pay attention.
@@bethryan9077 My whole point is that if Patsy did not write the note (I am willing to believe this) then it has to be a frame up (barring the "Linda and others" ransom scenario). There has to be a motive to write that note. If she did not write it then it was staged to look as though she wrote it.
How anyone can harm an innocent child is still beyond my comprehension
Even a guilty child would be quite difficult to harm
@chriscuomo9334 I don’t see Anyone railing against all those who Make Up from their sick Heads, all the despicable garbage, which is them Accusing JonBenet Herself, of all the Vile incest & paedophile acts that they conjure up with Glee & post proudly.
Of the Hundreds of such comments & Stories that I’ve read from these abhorrent so-called human beings, Nobody says a friggin Thing to them. What a National Disgrace.
Hang on that’s right, Lots of Other so-called human beings Do say certain things to them, they Agree with them. And because they’re of the Same Ilk, they’re Bolstered to post Their sick thought processes about the same Vile acts, incest & paedophilia, all about this Child, including 9 year old Burke sometimes & no-one rebukes them in Any way.
There was never one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually molested Nor one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually abused. Not one Skerrick about Burke either. Yet the Ramseys & their Kids are very cruelly subjected to a round-robin of particularly grotesque accusations that include - child sacrifice, satanic worship scenarios, pedos at the garden parties, selling their child, their friends being Allowed to abuse their child, society members being Allowed to abuse their child including Of Course, Epstein & so on & so on - on it goes, Incessantly.
According to the same so-called human beings, because the Ramseys were wealthy at the time, all of the above is what they did with their spare time.
Nobody Ever mentions that the Ramseys had deep faith in God & were avid church goers.
One can pop over to the many videos about the Chris Watt’s murder case. Let me know when you find Anyone who has posted Any comment about Him sexually abusing his little girls Or any other comment about a gang of his friends who did the same & worse.
Of all the Hundreds of videos about same subject & victimology, Nobody talks about Any of Those kids as soo many do about This, highly intelligent 6 year old murdered little girl.
Shame on you.
@chriscuomo9334 Google “Trump Epstein lawsuit PDF”. Call it fake news if it helps your feelings.
@chriscuomo9334 Who the hell is Joe?.
@cathylarkins9949 Unfortunately many many children are harmed every day.
Why in the world did police not search the entire house?! That makes no sense.
Money can influence.
I lived nearby at the time, and the Boulder police had no experience with murder cases, let alone a high profile one. It was botched from the very beginning.
@@louse_mouse So, according to Your thought processes - John paid off about 20 police & detectives, 3 DAs & assistant DAs from more than one jurisdiction & then Michael Dougherty, multiple seasoned investigators, the best criminal profiler in the country, one of the best homicide investigators in the country, at least one Federal Court Judge, many top forensic scientists from several labs over a span of 26 years, many expert crime scene techs, top forensic pathologists, now CeCe Moore, JB's paediatrician, FBI agents including those in charge of CODIS, Paula Woodward plus many other investigative journalists, lots of friends & acquaintances including neighbours, work colleagues, at least 2 Secret Service agents, 4 renowned private writing analysts, both of their pilots, many of their neighbours, plus the innumerable high cost attorneys in charge of multiple litigation cases as well as all the representations for himself & Patsy & many of the family in relation to a number of reasons & that's just off the top of my head. REALLY? Just go back to Sleep.
They did search the house. They went into the basement, tried to open the door but could not. Reason, the wooden latch at the top was covered with a Christmas wreath to hide it. On one of John's trips to the basement, he removed it.
@@peachesdixon7567 omg that is nothing but a Blatant LIE.
It's as if the authorities don't want the case solved. Someone knows, so who are they protecting, and why??? So frustrating....🤬
They did want it solved, but the DAs are so afraid of getting sued plus they knew they would not be able to get a conviction without knowing which one of the Ramseys actually killed her. I think they should've arrested Patsy for writing the letter, they proved that, then give her a plea deal if she finally gives the whole story.
I dunno
They are protecting themselves. Their incompetence let two obviously guilty people skate free. Instead of admitting their mistakes and acknowledging them so that others may learn from them, they pretend the real killers are out there somewhere. Its laughable.
@@JamesWatheist 100%
@@alanleemaxwell831 Their search for the "real killers" is going to be about as fruitful as OJ Simpson's.
I have no idea who killed that little girl, but I do think her mother was a very disturbed person who basically turned her kid into a puppet and pushed the child beauty contest crap on the child for her own reasons or gratification. I find it really creepy when I see a little girl all made up and clothed like some adult fashion model or worse, while she should be goofing around and having fun with other kids her age. A little kid romping around and laughing is heart warming. They need to be kids and do just that. Sad, crazy, and all kinds of wrong here.
There are a gross number of people who are murdered in the home when other people are there sleeping.
Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s, coal cellar still in situ, no window.
There are a gross number of those killers who have Never been Caught.
Only JB’s family are Treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, of Course. None of you have read ANY Case Evidence, you watch TV & pick out the bits that Suit Your Character.
Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household.
Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you Criminal Geniuses for 26 Years & without even Any mercy for their tortured then murdered Child.
THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who suffered in silence & even More So due to the high number of Monstrous people in the public domain.
What part of Exonerated do you Not understand?
You should all have a Really good look at Yourselves in the Mirror, the rest of the world sure Is.
BTW - those who actually Knew this little girl attested to the Fact that she Loved performing & it is Very clear that she was a natural talent having great Fun.
Only those with twisted minds would see her Beautiful outfits as some made up adult fashion model & everyone Knows that you mean in saying 'or worse'. Shame on you.
It would be Very interesting to conduct a survey in the U.S., to find out the percentage of the Ramsey bashers who Do NOT Have - a Four storey 7,000 square foot Mansion - nor 2 private planes, a designer built yacht, a centrefold holiday house & money to Burn. Envy is a Sin you know.
I agree And the narcissistic sociopath demented women sounds like mine.😢
@@lauraozburn3871 Patsy was a Beautiful very well brought up woman who had Class & she was very well spoken because she was particularly Intelligent. Those who actually KNEW Her said she was very kind, very caring, very loving, very generous & the life of the party. At the same time, she showed all women around the World how to be a Lady even within the depths of great tragedy And that is was important for gals to be Forthright as well as to be able to stick up for themselves. Great role model In Fact. Jealous much?
@@bethryan9077 ya People brake in a write a three page letter you're so inbred you'd believe she's a lady cause she uses her daughter like a puppet a extension of her ego you watch you're men screw slaves and say we're fineladys you keep people to raise you're babies youre so fine you southerners make slaves milk you're babies makes me sick but ya all sure look pretty don't ya .
I so agree
Her own family betrayed her. It's eerie how he smiles when talking about who killed her.
... parents - killers
Yeah that's messed up.
@@holm911 The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost.
Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA.
The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
*NOBODY would try to disguise some letters of their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* Some cops also had moron syndrome.
The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly.
Last year a cold case team were put together & are on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both perps’ DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys. Now go play.
I do not think so and never did. People react in different ways to tragedies. Some people smile because they are nervous, some people fall apart.....I always try to hold myself together so I might appear uncaring, but I do that so I don't completely fall apart. I have had a lot of loss in my life, and I guess I have learned how to deal with it so as to keep my sanity and do what I have to do. I think it was a deranged intruder.
@@karenpoteet751There was no intruder.
Why would someone write a ransom note, then leave her dead body in the basement? Even if they had accidentally killed her, you would think they would still take the body in order the get the money. Someone inside that house knows what happened
There are Many reasons why kidnapping has Always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for quick Available cash & with others, that plan turned into a crime about revenge against John. This highly insidious set up was to implicate all Ramseys plus others around them, for good measure. The research began quite some before & that included - the Ramsey’s whole family, friends, associates & neighbours of course & then the study about well known violent movies about kidnapping plots & so the 5 movie quotes within the note. They were also in tune with previous famous kidnapping cases & famous sadistic murders. This Plan, JB was Never going to be taken from the basement.
It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called. They sure didn’t go to soo much trouble & take such high risks for nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money.
From footage of the front of the house, it looks like a double storey Tudor style home. From the Ramsey’s extensive renovations, that was a Huge 3 storey mansion - plus the basement that had multiple rooms & heating, many big cupboards, water, a bathroom, a phone & 2 separate window exit points if needed. The butler’s kitchen was another level again, stairs either end to go down there but ground level, with the glass exit door. This section was situated along the side part of the house that was isolated & ran down the side of the garage. Unlike the other 3 sections that were basically all windows & glass doors, all 3 storeys.
The cement rendered room where JB was found, used to be a coal bin as the house before renovations down the years, was from the 1920s. Basically that ‘cellar’ room was under the sunroom, front left corner if standing looking at the front of the house. That cellar was used for storage & along with some other things, the Xmas trees were kept in there. That was the only room in that whole house that Didn’t have a Window. Due to changes over the years & then the Ramsey’s renovations, as there was no window, that room wasn’t visible from the outside. To get to that room, one went down the basement to the bottom of the stairs & straight down the hall where the door to that room was Clearly visible, as seen in the cops’ walk-thru videos. The stories about that as a hidden room are Not true. The stories about that room being known only to the family are Not true. Soo much BS still going around about this case, for 26 years & counting. Being from back in the day, the light switch for that room was situated at an odd place, one had to step inside, take x many steps to the left & the light switch fixture was hanging from a cord on the other side of the beam, about halfway into the room. There was a doorknob on that door but no lock. To Pull the door open, one had to firstly reach up to the top & flip the wooden latch up then pull on the doorknob. The basement was painted about 1 year prior. The palm print on the inside of that cellar door was never identified. There were many items of evidence in that room besides the Hi-Tec Shoeprint, that was Not a boot. There was also another different partial shoeprint on the other side.
The perps were listening to Patsy call 911 on another phone. The laundry room was situated at the stair end of the basement, with the big washing machine plus the big clothes dryer. A black phone was on the end of the bench near the doorway opposite the washing machine. The perps put that black & white photo of when Patsy won Miss West Virginia, stuck to the wall above that phone.
A second washer & dryer were upstairs near JB’s room then an ironing/work room with a sink.
The boiler room in the basement had the window with the bars on it, front of the house. The rest of the wall to the right, most of the cellar was on the other side. There was a pipe vent that went out the top of the boiler room window. The short shrill scream from JB was heard by a neighbour at about 1.30 a.m., because she lived directly across the road & had her bedroom window open a bit. The scream was from JB when first taken to the boiler room, as the cord was quickly released from her neck. A test was carried out & it was proven that no scream could be heard upstairs from the basement. The perps went out of the house for a while because of that scream then went back in. From the very top of the steep hill at the end of the street, one could see the whole area. These 2 vicious perps had 2 cohorts as look-outs.
The parent’s bedroom suite was the whole of the top storey. Burke’s room was at the front & basically under their bed. JB’s bedroom was 70 metres down from Burkes, through the playroom first & a couple of turns. The spiral staircase was across from but just near JB’s bedroom. That back spiral staircase went down to the main living areas & the quickest route to the kitchen. The basement door was on that level & the entry to get there was near that staircase but up a hall that was separate to those living areas. The main staircase was near the front door. The slot for the mail was to the side of that door with a box to catch it underneath. The Ramseys would enter & exit the house through the garage & the mudroom was near that internal door. Visitors would use the front door or the back patio door that Patsy called the kitchen door. That door was 2 glass doors actually, as seen in photos, the door near that grate. The window for the alcove was next to that door, the alcove where the wall phone was situated that Patsy used to call 911. That wall phone had a good length cord & the cradle for the handset was metal. The note was moved to & spread out on the floor just by that alcove doorway, John was on his knees by the door reading it over & over. When the operator asked Patsy who sent it (lol), Patsy leant out the doorway a bit & could See the Big writing at the bottom of the 3rd page. Because it was Last as a signage, the S.B.T.C caught her attention First, then she saw the word Victory.
They were up so early that morning when still Dark, because they were to go to their holiday house in Charlevoix, on their private plane & so, the pilot had that plane ready. JB was found after 1 p.m. & John was told they had to leave as the house was then a Crime Scene. In Front of a cop, John called his pilot wanting to get to some sort of Safety & to Family in Atlanta, two perfectly Normal things to want to do. That cop relayed what he heard to the PD & John was told they couldn’t leave so they stayed with friends in Boulder with police around them 24/7. Those various police officers were around the family & visitors for a week & officially stated that the Ramseys were deeply grieving parents & there was nothing adverse to report.
Here’s your issue, you can’t possibly Fathom what happened at Any stage because this crime hasn’t been a script for your one hour made up simpleton TV crime shows, that tell ya the ending. Then there’s the fact, like for soo many others, True crime is clearly Way over your head.
Make sure you’re Never on a jury.
And THATS the key question .
Well think for a second. It most likely a well planned staged frame kidnap for ransom money that turned murder when JB screamed late at night a neighbor clearly heard the scream the kidnapper panicked fear of being caught quickly murdered JB an left knowing no money turned murder they definitely got away with it. Even if it was a family accident cover up they got away with it. It not even debatable was 1 or the other.
Why would a kidnapped wrap in a blanket?
They knew what happened I'm convinved.
sexualising children as mini adults for baby beauty pageants should be made illegal.
YES I agree 100% with you.
So sad. I can't believe with all the advancement in forensics that they still haven't solved this.
Jennifer Breaux I am sure they have the DNA and they know who it is, but are not saying it !
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I saw an interview with LT. Joe Kenda of the Homicide Hunter tv series. He was called in to review the case after the fact. He said that the local police had done such a shabby job at the crime scene that the evidence was compromised and the case can never be successfully prosecuted.
@@michellebowers8652 Kenda was never involved with this case so is just Another big mouth who knows Nothing.
They are currently examining DNA again.
But the police/detectives nor DA have an obligation to inform the public of everything they find. Just like the Delphi case. People already have their minds made up due to the media.
The DA has the right to build a case without public opinion to muddy their strategy.
How could John Ramsey’s bonus amount and the amount demanded in the ransom note be the exact same figure? That’s beyond coincidence to me.
Bingo!
The mom wrote the note
Creepy brother killed her
Daddy SA her
@@ModernDayMom-ph8qw wouldn’t doubt it
@@ModernDayMom-ph8qwit was an unknown dna sample they woulda known it it was the dad
@@devondutchmaster Rich people go to strange parties. I wouldn't be shocked if their friend sexually assualted her or even someone powerful.
The detective Linda Arndt was absolutely creeped out by the behavior of Jon Benet's father. At some point, while waiting for a call from the kidnapper, the police told John Ramsey to search the house one more time. He went with his long time friend who was almost shocked by John's fast and determined descent into the maze of the basement, were, in a complete darkness, he quickly "found" the body of his daughter. Upon his return into the living room Linda Arndt was horrified by the way John was carrying his dead daughter: he held the stiff little body in front of him at a distance, like a wooden doll.
It is Very strange to me how many of you Make Up scenarios that did Not Happen. What in the hell is Wrong with y'all? None of that is True, NONE.
How on earth could the police miss her in their searches????
@@lackerbitandersson6241 Fleet White went down the basement early that morning but didn't tell anyone he did that. He later said that his little girl went missing x long before this event & after searching everywhere she was found under her bed. So his story went. He was interviewed more than once about his actions for the morning of the 26th & at his own house as well & he was losing it by the time they all travelled to Atlanta for the funeral, where he carried a gun. There was an incident at Patsy's parent's house because he wasn't coping. He was interviewed 17 times in total & went to the governor eventually to demand that a grand jury be convened to save his own ass. Even when he & John went down the basement at 1 p.m., Fleet never said anything about having been down the basement already. He later told the cops that when he was down there, he had flipped the latch down from above & pulled open the cellar door but it was pitch dark, he couldn't find the light switch & walked away. Being a coal bin/cellar originally, that cement room had no windows & the light fixture was in an odd place, one had to step inside, go left for x many steps & it was on the other side of a beam about half way down. 3 cops were down the basement early that morning at Different times. French couldn’t flip the latch down that was at the top of the cellar door so he walked away. Reichenbach pulled the door knob, it had a bit of give he said, he walked away. So, for this reason alone, made what Fleet said later, Very suspicious. Weiss was down there taking photos. Fleet nor any cops went through the train room door either & so to those windows in the craft’s room where one was broken. The perps did Not enter or exit through that window, but that is Not the point. The BPD have always kept That fact hidden from the public also - their cops didn’t know about those windows in the basement at all & Nobody was looking for JB, they were tasked to check entry & exit points. It wasn't til that evening when the cops went back that they saw the broken window & that's Why the 'famous' photo of the open window was taken in the Night. John was also down the basement before 8 that morning because he knew someone could get in that window as he done in the summer when he locked himself out of the house. He had broken that window, reached in to unlock it & then got through there, as he had done before. Those windows couldn't be obviously seen from ground level & that one was the cheapest to fix. The morning of the 26th, he saw the broken window was open a fraction & he locked it. He saw the suitcase against the wall under the window & thought that was odd because he had put it in the cupboard under the stairs down there a while before Xmas & said he was sure it was empty. He had to get back upstairs in case the call came in, 8-10, though the note said Tomorrow. He knew at least one cop had been down the basement & presumed he had checked out that window. When he first went to go in the train room door, there was a chair-stool against the door & a few things next to it, also against the door. He moved the chair to the side & went through. When he came out, he put the chair back as it was. The broken window & the suitcase being where he saw it was bothering him in those hours waiting but he Thought the cops Knew. Like most people, one trusts that the cops know what they're doing but he was to find out later that no cop had seen those windows & so the broken one, even when going around the outside with a flashlight. When Fleet told John that Arndt had said for them to go look around for anything out of place, John took Fleet to show him that window & he told him how he had broken it ages before & why. They were on the floor looking for any glass at all. They had checked the 2 cupboards in that co-joined room first. John noticed fresh paint off the keyhole of the one that used to be an elevator. That was a self locking door & if someone got in there & shut it they couldn't get out. Many days later, the inside of the door was found to have been damaged, being 2 splits down the inside of it that wasn't like that before. The basement had been painted about 1 year previously. When John got up off the floor to walk out of the craft's room, Fleet moved the suitcase away from the wall & found one tiny piece of glass there & put it on top of the suitcase. That's Why the suitcase was in That position, re; the photo. John didn't see Fleet do that. When they went to enter the train room door, the chair was to the side in the hall & a small table was against the door with an Easter basket on top of it & a few other things, so gear was still blocking the door. The broken window was wide open. The Facts Are - the perps put the chair & items against the train room door to block it & the cops thought it was a cupboard & walked past it. When the cops left, the perps went back into that room & one scooted up to try & see where the cops were on that side of the house. He dropped the truckies' mirror that they used for seeing around corners & that can be seen in crime scene photos, against the wall under the window. Because the cops’ video footage was done in the night, the camera had the light on at the front & the round glass object there is shining. The perps were exiting the train room door & they moved the chair to the hall & put the table against the door with the basket & stuff on top & other things either side, so it was still blocked. The moving of the chair & table served the purpose. The reason why the cops couldn't flip the latch down - the perps had a device to hold the latch in place. The items used were picked up by the crime scene techs but it wasn't known Then what those items were about. From what John noticed that morning & at 1 p.m. & from what he was told later, he tried to tell the cops that someone must have been in the basement when the cops were down there, he was ignored, he was Right. The perps had already placed & moved Many things in the basement & all over the house. This led to a blame game, like a 3-ringed circus, in relation to Fleet, the housekeeper & both of them attributing some of the factors, back to the Ramseys. One needs to know that cops ask questions, they don't say Why a question is asked & they don't get back to that person with any resolution about Whatever, so all parties were kept in the dark & so, forever suspicious of each other. Patsy & John did Not believe Fleet was involved but they had questions due to Fleet’s behaviour, up to & including in Atlanta & even after that. It was the Whites who stopped talking to the Ramseys, not the other way around. I feel very sorry for the White family also, they were caught up in the whole fiasco with cops who were not only totally incompetent for this very complex case, they were ever deceitful to cover up all that they did & Didn't do that morning & so, the BS began with false & misleading information being leaked to the media & the cops hiding evidence of an intruder, including the DNA from one, that was under JB’s fingernails & this Fact was kept Hidden from the public as well as from the DA for 7 months. Subsequently, further results over the years as forensic science advanced, a second male perp & in total, several places on JB’s person, so, the DNA from both child killers, skin cells, saliva & touch. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003.
What have the cops been hiding for years Now? The fact that their cops who were present that morning, should have Caught two highly sadistic child killers!
I am creeped out by Arndt..! and totally disgusted with the whole investigation, police incompetence is why we will never know who did this
Are you serious the detective Linda is the creepiest person ever. There is something seriously wrong with that person & the investigation as a whole it’s hilarious someone would take her word on anything. Also did you people not watch the video or learn anything about the case outside of tabloids & tv shows? The family was ruled out many times over.
There's no way of knowing due to the botched crime scene. The family's total lack of anger over their child's death, their unwillingness to cooperate with authorities, and their hiring of a PR firm doesn't do them any favors.
None of that is true, NONE.
@bethryan9077 Yes it is!
@@XCodeHelpHub They most certainly Did have anger over their child's death, they most certainly Did cooperate with authorities & they did Not hire a PR firm. Again, none of that shit is True! You're just someone else who knows Nothing about this case but who gets off on posting the False information that you got off the back of your cornflake box. There's a whole train load of people like you who should stick to the Simpsons reruns.
@@XCodeHelpHub The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public.
The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor.
Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
NOBODY would try to disguise their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! More than one Incompetent cop had moron syndrome so this case was Never going to be solved..
The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit or Ollie Grey OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.*
The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly.
Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both intruders DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally.
One can only hope that this cold case team will have Integrity. And, that none will be after a book deal like certain officers from before, who are Totally responsible for every single Unfounded accusation against all Ramsey family members that goes on & on still to this day for No sound reason At All.
The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys. Now go play.
You do understand the stages of grief
I believe anger comes last
DNA cleared them after 2weeks
This case, along with madeleine mccann, bother me a lot. Hope they get true justice one day🙏
A lot of men need to get a grip and stop preying on children.
In both of the cases, the parents are the ones responsible.
The Portuguese police just apologised to the McCanns in person. The German police have stated they hold the person responsible for abducting Madeleine McCann. If you doubt that, you don't know the professionalism of the German police.The Boulder police, it has been widely proven, botched the crime scene, failed to take samples or conduct a professional search for the child. What part of any of that don't you get???@@chicagomike4587
Both these families were completely exonerated by the respective police forces and apologised to. What part of that did you miss? @@chicagomike4587
@@chicagomike4587 Yeah in the blighted eyes of all you Victim Bashers, John & Patsy must come across as dumb & dumber hey & obviously both being Dumbos, they dropped a trail of breadcrumbs that led straight to Themselves & also according to your ever so proud Cult of Ramsey Bashers, apparently being absolute Imbeciles, they must have had No Idea that Colorado had the Death Penalty.
FYI - there are a gross number of adults & kids who are murdered in the home when the occupants are there sleeping. Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s with the former coal cellar still in situ underground & so, No Window.
There are a gross number of those murderers who have Never been Caught. Only JonBenet’s family are treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, Of Course. None of you have Read ANY Case Evidence, you’ve just watched TV & picked out the bits that Suit your personality type & then bang on with a load of garbage about a crime that you know Nothing about & do your best to constantly denigrate these very kind people who you Never KNEW.
Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household.
Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you now Criminal Geniuses & Incessantly for over 26 Years, without even any Respect for the murdered Child.
THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who had to suffer in silence & even More So due to certain members of the Boulder PD who got great Enjoyment from deliberately leaking false & misleading information to the media, for no other reason than to save their own Incompetent asses.
You should all be Ashamed of yourselves, the rest of the world Sure IS.
Only absolute Morons would believe that someone would Handwrite a particularly violent ransom note yet first stop to think up 5 quotes from 5 violent movies about kidnapping scenarios & go on to do all that using their Own notepad paper plus their Own marker & Then leave both of those items near their phone For The COPS!.
Steve Thomas started all this Abysmal fiasco against this whole family by blaming JB’s mother for no other reason than a fn notepad. He was in Fact nothing but a Useless adversary with Plans to cash in from the very Beginning. He tried Very hard to pave his way in gold, he Failed at that also.
Many followed his lead by playing the Paid Piper game & so, the same shit from soo many ugly mouth victim bashers is Still hitting the fan on fooltube. And then there’s all those You who are being monitored & at least will Never be allowed to sit on any jury.
BTW deary, there is Nothing to say that Maddie is even deceased so all that you guttersnipes spout about Her poor parents also is - Moot.
Sexualizing little girls in beauty pageants should be a red flag.
I agree.
There's nothing wrong with children's beauty pageants per se.
But _makeup_ and _nail polish_ ought to be an _automatic disqualification_ .
You seeing them as sex objects is the red flag. Idk if it's internalized misogyny or what but makeup and costumes doesn't equal sex. It's so insanely weird to say that. 😂You are sexualizing them. No one involved in the pageant world sees it as sexual. You must not be from the south. I don't like them and wouldn't participate bc it focuses too much on superficial things, but not bc I think it's sexual. I find it so odd to see little girls sexually then blame their parents for that.
The yanks invented them ,so blame the usa
@@Redwarfastill better than your Muslim ruled country
Yes, and sending your kid to Drag Queen Story Hour or a Pride Parade should result in a visit from Child Services.
So the word suicide gets bleeped out, while so much language describing the brutal murder and possible sexual assault of a 6 year old girl is left in?! This world we’re living in is getting so crazy.
I find this episode far crazier than the world at large.
It's just virtue signalling.
I hate to say it but the brother scares the hell outta me … but that doesn’t make him guilty! So hope they can eventually solve this. RIP Jonbenet ❤️
Same he gave me the creeps
He could be just socially awkward or on the autism spectrum. I don't believe he killed her. The parents covered for one or each other. Jon Ramsey however does creep me out.
@@OUTTA-TYME88 The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
* Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. They were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never SEEN Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
N.B. *Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!*
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, the Case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this 6 year old Child
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
GET A LIFE
The parents were obviously letting someone molest their daughter. The person got carried away and killed her. Pretty hard to wrap one’s head around but it’s all there. The beauty pageant was just a way to market her.
You can never convince me that the mother didn’t know exactly what happened to Jon Benet.
Hopefully you never sit on a jury then...people like you are the reason there're innocent people in prison. There is ZERO evidence the Ramseys were involved with JB's murder. ZERO.
So you are saying you are going to believe what you want to believe regardless of any DNA or any other evidence to the contrary. That's a closed-minded and rather irrational way to believe.
@@karenryder6317 if I am 100 percent proved wrong then I’m wrong. Until then, that is what I believe.
@@chrisrae5863 The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
*Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.*
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another.
What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
*NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!*
The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys. If you’re actually a tax payer, well, You’re paying. LMAO.
@christrae
DNA left at the crime scene eliminated ALL Ramseys, and hundreds of other suspects. CODIS only accepts high-level, identifiable DNA into its database. It accepted the DNA found in several spots on different surfaces of different clothing as belonging to a mix of two people: JonBenét plus one intruder. All Ramseys were ruled out as being a contributor to the mix. The same DNA was used to positively exclude numerous suspects, such as Michael Helgoth, Chris Wolf, Randy Simons, Glenn Meyer, Gary Oliva, John Mark Karr, (who confessed to the crime) Santa Bill McReynolds, Linda Hoffman-Pugh, Mervyn Pugh, and numerous others. If you believe that the DNA doesn't count, how could it have been used to clear anyone? You can write insignificant statements and lies for days, it doesn't change the fact that the Ramseys are innocent and have been cleared. Boulder Police do not consider the Ramseys suspects, and the heinous homicide of this little girl is an open and on-going investigation.
#factsmatter #dotheresearch #justiceforjonbenetandherfamily
There is no way anyone will be able to convince me that it wasn't the family themselves that did this
The Ramseys were Proven Innocent way back when the wheel was invented then officially & Very publicly Exonerated in 2008 - with a mountain of Actual evidence & by a whole bunch of Actual experts under the umbrella of Law Enforcement, including expert DNA scientists.
Chet Ubowski from the CBI decided that a few of the letters within that printed note were similar to Patsy's print writing of the same letters & the flame was lit. Loads of unscrupulous dimwits have made Loads of Money from a note that Patsy did Not write. Nobody would Handwrite 365 words & numbers to form a 3 page ridiculous ransom note & do that on their Own notepad plus use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops. NOBODY! Patsy was Not an Imbecile but this case has shown that there are a humungous amount of people who Are.
Police do Not hand over their Case Evidence to journalists, TV producers, radio hosts, writers of books Or utube promoters Or any outside 'influencers'. This case has Never been to something called a Trial. You people know absolutely Nothing besides tabloid Fodder.
Same
Then you are not very educated about this murder.
@@DebraHarrison-b2xThere have been so many conflicting stories over the years that nobody knows what is true and what is not.
Especially when we consider that it happened at Christmas. Emotions are heightened, and most people spend it with their families. Why would an abductor choose a quite day when most people are at home and notice strangers easier. ???
They had multiple open or unlocked windows in Colorado at Christmas? I live in Colorado and it's cold here. There's no way I'd have an open window here at that time of year. The police in that part of Colorado are notorious for being inept and corrupt. Hopefully independent investigators are taking that into consideration.
The parents did it, you don't leave a note saying you kidnapped someone and then leave that person murdered in the home.
@@jackrosario9990 There are Many reasons why kidnapping has Always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for quick Available cash & with others, that plan turned into a crime about revenge against John. This highly insidious set up was to implicate all Ramseys plus others around them, for good measure. The research began quite some before & that included - the Ramsey’s whole family, friends, associates, neighbours, well known violent movies about kidnapping plots as well as previous famous kidnapping cases & famous sadistic murders. This Plan, JB was Never going to be taken from the basement.
It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called. They sure didn’t go to soo much trouble & take such high risks for nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money.
From footage of the front of the house, it looks like a double storey Tudor style home. From the extensive renovations, that was a Huge 3 storey mansion - plus the basement that had multiple rooms. The butler’s kitchen was another level again, stairs either end to go down there but ground level, with the glass exit door. This section was situated along the side part of the house that was isolated & ran down the side of the garage. Unlike the other 3 sections that were basically all windows & glass doors, all 3 storeys.
The room where JB was found in the basement, used to be a coal bin as the house was from the 1920s. Basically it was under the sunroom, front left corner if standing looking at the front of the house. The cellar was used for storage & the Xmas trees were kept in there. That was the only room in that whole house that was cement & didn’t have a window. Due to changes over the years & then the Ramsey’s renovations, as there was no window, that room wasn’t visible from the outside. To get to that room, one went down the basement to the bottom of the stairs, a turn to the left & straight down the hall where the door to that room at the end was straight ahead & clearly visible, as seen in the cops’ walk-thru videos. The stories about that as a hidden room are Not true. The stories about that room being known only to the family are Not true. Soo much BS still going around about this case, for 26 years & counting. Being from back in the day, the light switch fixture for that room was situated at an odd place, one had to step inside, take x many steps to the left & it was hanging from a cord on the other side of the beam, about halfway into the room. There was a doorknob but no lock. To Pull the door open, one had to firstly reach up to the top & flip the wooden latch up then pull on the doorknob. The basement was painted about 1 year prior. The palm print on the inside of that cellar door was never identified.
The parent’s bedroom suite was the whole of the top storey. Burke’s room was at the front & basically under their bed. JB’s bedroom was 70 metres down from Burkes, through the playroom first & a couple of turns. The spiral staircase was across from but just near JB’s bedroom. That back staircase went down to the main living areas & the quickest route to the kitchen. The basement door was on that level & the entry to get there was near that staircase but up a hall that was separate to those living areas. The main staircase was near the front door. The slot for the mail was to the side of that door with a box to catch it underneath. The Ramseys would enter & exit the house through the garage & the mudroom was near that internal door. Visitors would use the front door or the back patio door that Patsy called the kitchen door. That door was 2 glass doors actually, as seen in photos, the door near that grate. The window for the alcove was next to that door, the alcove where the wall phone was situated.
Here’s your issue, you can’t possibly Fathom what happened at Any stage because this crime hasn’t been a script for your one hour made up TV crime shows, that tell ya the ending. Then there’s the Fact that, like for soo many others, True crime is clearly Way over your head.
And snow wouldn’t it get in the house
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It sounds like the windows were not tightly closed as electrical cords for Christmas lights were strung through along the window frames
This family was abnormal. Everyone covered for each other,no one was believable. The older brother laughed during
an interview (As if it were a joke)...they blamed a department store Santa Claus,and everyone played dumb! Who
dresses a child like a woman in her 30s and puts her on stage? This was a demented family!
Yeah John & Patsy came across as dumb & dumber hey & obviously both being So dumb, they dropped a trail of breadcrumbs that led straight to Themselves because according to all you Ramsey bashers, apparently they were such absolute Imbeciles, they also had No Idea that Colorado had the Death Penalty.
There are a gross number of people who are murdered in the home when other people are there sleeping.
Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s, coal cellar still in situ, no window.
There are a gross number of those killers who have Never been Caught.
Only JB’s family are Treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, of Course. None of you have read ANY Case Evidence, you watch TV & pick out the bits that Suit Your Character.
Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household.
Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you Criminal Geniuses for 26 Years & without even Any mercy for their tortured then murdered Child.
THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who suffered in silence & even More So due to the high number of Monstrous people in the public domain.
What part of Exonerated do you Not understand?
You should all have a Really good look at Yourselves in the Mirror, the rest of the world sure Is.
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If the public knew Everything that these vilest of sociopaths Really did to this little 6 year old Child & all that they did to her went on for Hours, plus everything that they did in that house, You the public would - Freak the hell out.
People say ‘these types of cases’, in relation to children found deceased - there has Never been a case like this one. Putting the note aside - the crime was ultimately murder & the body was found in the home. Predominantly, the statistics about kids who are found murdered are in relation to - junkies, alcoholics, meth heads, mental health illnesses, divorce, paedophiles, the underprivileged, serial killers, step-fathers & then mothers who got a new boyfriend who didn’t want kids around.
The Ramseys happened to be wealthy at the time - this is what their money got them - never to see the inside of their wonderful home ever again, total destruction of their day to day lives & on medication daily. Whilst the keystone Cops were - deliberately putting out False & Misleading information about them to the media, the Cops constantly accusing them of their child’s murder & the Cops lining up a grand jury to see if they could get them Both indicted for the torture & murder of their Own Child yet the Cops had Zero evidence against them. But people say, that their money Bought the cops. Doh.
They went Broke trying to find the killer of their Precious child.
It would be Very interesting to conduct a survey in the U.S., to find out the percentage of the Ramsey bashers who Do NOT Have - a Four storey 7,000 square foot Mansion - nor 2 private planes, a designer built yacht, a centrefold holiday house & money to Burn. Envy is a Sin you know.
So to hell with facts? Just make a bunch of vague comments followed up by a lie and judging something that was completely normal at the time to todays norms? I think you are the abnormal and demented one.
The son is going to be messed up the rest of his life
I think it was nerves he laughed. I think it was the father
@@dmmice2344 Burke is a traumatised Victim, people like You who bang on with more & more Ignorant crap about him, his parents & his little sister, make his life so much Worse.
Allowing outside people to disrupt the crime scene, having John search the house without a police presence with him, and overall bungling of the case have marred the potential of solving it. I wonder why the family wasn't held in place while awaiting for more police, and no perimeter being established to keep people out was put in place?
Don't forget, this was in Boulder, CO. I lived there for ten years, just a couple of streets from where this happened. They had no experience with a violent crime like this. The city was considered to be very safe. Until it wasn't. They could have asked for help. But they didn't. The case was completely bungled. I wish that dear little girl would get justice. At this point, the odds are that she never will.
@@marilyndee969 It's a shame. Hopefully one day there will be some justice.
Well they did put caution tape across jonbennets bedroom door to keep people out of there.
The Ramsey’s called friends to flood the house before the police got there. Any intelligent person would know the house had evidence and inviting people to contaminate the scene would reduce the odds of the killer being caught.
@@marilyndee969 Had an old police chief years ago tell me just that. The PD there rarely investigated murders. They didn't seem equipped to handle a major case.
My money is on the parents. In every single interview they did, there is no emotion no sense of urgency, no anger, nothing about their beautiful daughter being murdered. It's creepy, just like Burke's creepy smile during his interview years later. There's something definitely off about this family for sure.
Much like the McCanns, right?
@Schmoityface McCann case is a little different. In the Ramsey case the body and the note are two huge pieces pointing only at the family, the bizzar behavior of the Ramseys only adds to the suspicion. Don't really have as much on the McCanns.
This is why mob mentality needs to be kept out of the justice system. People react differently to loss. You think it was weird? I think it's weird that you can't muster up enough empathy to understand that being in a shocked stupor is TOTALLY NORMAL, especially if you're medicating to numb the pain.
Nah, if you analyze the facts we know, the most reasonable explanation is that it was someone in the family. This family is messed up@@captainpandabear1422
Yes indeed I noticed the same thing about this family.
"And possibly violated..." this should tell you everything. Her autopsy showed her vagina looked like a grown woman. She had been repeatedly violated obviously by someone who had continued contact with her. You can't convince me with how strange the family acted, the longest ransom note in history written inside the house w multiple drafts about an abduction when she never left the house, plus the prolonged sexual abuse that the family didn't have something to do with it.
None of your Disgusting rant about this child is True, NONE & neither is Any of the rest. Go have a good Look in the mirror deary.
The father .Cook said the girl wanted to hide from him.Motger was herself a victim of child S. Abuse .
They were having sex with the baby😢
IMO, the brother was jealous of the attention his sister was getting. He likely meant to "chastise" her in some way, but accidentally killed her. The parents, in their desperation, couldn't handle the thought of losing both children, covered up what they knew actually happened and they... Did what they thought was the best thing. For what's left of their family. This makes sense to me.
Maybe the poor girl was molested frequently by someone with access (family or pageant friend)…Lord forbid… what if the poor girl was molested all the time. Then, maybe an intruder did the same thing to her.
I go back and forth, but I am leaning towards a family cover-up. Sadly i doubt that we will ever know the truth.
Leaning? Fall already. They did it!
IMO, once John Ramsey is dead, then Burke will reveal the truth. Psychopaths don't just kill one time and then stop, which rules out Burke. I also seriously doubt that a nine year old child could kill a sibling and then kust go on as if nothing had happened.
See the video that the behavior panel guys did on Burke's interview with Dr. Phil. Spoiler alert: it wasn't Burke.
@@sandraknight4751 I find the father's eyes being down in front of the cameras to be suspicious. If you are an angry father, you stare into the cameras, with conviction and malice, as a message to the murderer watching the program. However with two types of DNA's on the underwear that is not linked to the family, it blatantly suggests intruders. I actually believe intruders did it. The profiler is correct, I believe.
@@simonbanks3058 Thanks for sharing your opinion.
I really think it was the brother, he may have unintentionally/accidentally hit her though. It was of course, covered up by the parents. Unfortunately, this case will never be solved & will forever remain a mystery.
Judith revealed one part of the ransom note seemed familiar.
She revealed: “A phrase used, ‘And hence’, leaped out at me. I had received a Christmas newsletter from the family and the phrase was used in that too. It seemed like not something people generally say.”
The bizarre two-and-a-half page letter was written on a pad from Patsy’s writing desk, using a pen found later underneath the Ramsey's phone.
Imprints on the pad suggest practice notes had been scribbled. Cops ruled out John and Burke as the author but were unable to eliminate Patsy.
Judith admitted: “I agree with the theory Burke killed JonBenét but I don’t think he meant to do it. I think Patsy did everything in her power to protect her living child. I think she wrote the ransom note whilst John staged the scene in the basement.
After calling the police Patsy began inviting friends over to the house and in the commotion John went missing for an hour and half. It is my opinion he was disposing of evidence.”
Operator Kim Archuletta, who took Patsy’s 911 call, believes the panicked mum’s voice changed afterwards.
Patsy mistakenly thought she had hung up. Kim said: “You hear the frantic tone in her voice as she was speaking to me. It immediately stopped.”
In the past it has been claimed voice enhancements of the tape pick up John saying: “We’re not speaking to you” before Patsy allegedly asks: “What did you do? Help me, Jesus.”
Some claim Burke’s voice can be heard asking: “What did you find?” - even though his parents have always claimed he was asleep at the time.
Burke, who now leads a reclusive life working from home as a software engineer, denied in his recent interview he was involved.
He said: “That’s not what happened. There’s been people who have said that’s not even physically possible for a nine-year-old to do that.”
And the Ramsey's lawyer Lin Wood told The Sun he was not surprised by Burke’s demeanor during the interview with Dr Phil. He said: “He can come across awkward and he has a nervous smile during difficult conversations. But he wanted to speak out.”
Lin revealed the Ramsey's plan to sue over the documentary, which he said contains “no legitimate evidence”.
added the latest theory ignores evidence of a possible sexual assault and suggestions in the autopsy report that JonBenét may have died by asphyxiation not a blow to the head.
Over the years police have looked into 160 potential suspects and quizzed known pedophiles but none could be reliably placed at the scene.
If JonBenèt were alive she would be a 26-year-old woman now,” Judith said. “It just breaks my heart she may never receive justice.”
Not a suspect at the time of the killing, Burke is NOW highly suspect of the murder.
To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., in Fact, where many adult relatives of the Whites were present & their 2 kids. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon of the 26th when he was still there, by detective Patterson, who was on the scene at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither parent was present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to the where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that Bogus CBS show was aired in 2016, Patterson publicly stated on national TV that Burke didn't know Anything & he was very worried that his little sister was still missing.
Burke was interviewed 10 days after the murder of his 6 year old sister, by a child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer was present with him & the parent's Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer was present with Burke & the parents Allowed that interview to take place as well.
N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. Science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple.
Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The faeces Stories are Not true.
He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously are Not told the Details about all that happened. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking. The announcement through the media was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were After death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot.
Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$.
In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained.
DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that most people Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003.
People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB.
People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used. The 1st fracture was front to back & Open, nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole & the skull piece was split in 2 & inside. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright.
FYI - Burke was Never even a suspect.
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
* Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. They were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never SEEN Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
*NOBODY would Write a ransom note & on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!*
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, the Case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this 6 year old Child
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@bethryan9077 Here’s the scenario you’re to believe…
An unknown person, (no one was ever charged), broke into the Ramsey home, (basement window), in the middle of the night, he walked up the basement stairs, proceeded to walk around the house looking for a pen & a pad of paper, (he used a pen & paper belonging to the Ramsey’s which he found on a desk), he wrote a 2 1/2 page ransom note in the dark with the aid of a flashlight, (he asked for the EXACT amount of $ Mr. Ramsey received for a bonus that year, $118,000), then left the note on the back stairs. The pen used to write the note was later found underneath the Ramsey’s telephone. (He may have written the note after the murder, they’re saying it was an afterthought after he’d accidentally killed her). Just think about that for a second... He just attempted to kidnap but accidentally killed a child. So what's he going to do... sit down to compose a nearly 3 page ransom letter off the top of his head.
It's absolutely preposterous!
In addition… the killer would’ve had to continue to walk around the house looking for a stick or piece of wood, anything to make a garrote, he found Patsy Ramsey’s art paint brushes & made one with that.
Continued… He then went upstairs with the flashlight to find Jonbenet’s bedroom, shining the light into each room before he found her. (Unless he was very lucky & found her room first).
After finding her he shocked Jonbenet with a stun gun, wrapped her face & mouth with duct tape, wrapped her in a blanket & carried her down 2 flights of stairs to the basement to sexually assault, strangle & bludgeon her to death, before leaving. He also looked around for something to stand on to escape out the same window he originally entered.
He found Mr. Ramsey’s suitcase & used that as a step stool.
Judith Phillips, 64, a Ramsey family friend for more than ten years, told The Sun how she had often seen flashes of Burke’s temper and believes the theory he is the culprit.
She said: “People always think of JonBenét in the pageant costumes but she was a tomboy who loved jumping in piles of leaves or getting muddy.
“Burke was quiet, reserved and very into computer technology. I had seen him have emotional outbursts.”
Judith first met the Ramseys when the family lived in Atlanta, Georgia. They became neighbours again when the Ramseys moved to Boulder several years after Judith and her family had relocated to the town.
Photographer Judith also claimed Burke had hit his sister with a golf club a year before her murder, leaving her with a scar on her cheek.
In the aftermath of the murder, Judith found it strange when the Ramsey's asked their circle of friends not to speak to police or the media.
She added: “To me it seemed odd they would give a big television interview but not work with police.”
And Judith revealed one part of the ransom note seemed familiar.
She revealed: “A phrase used, ‘And hence’, leaped out at me. I had received a Christmas newsletter from the family and the phrase was used in that too. It seemed like not something people generally say.”
The bizarre two-and-a-half page letter was written on a pad from Patsy’s writing desk, using a pen found later underneath the Ramsey's phone.
Imprints on the pad suggest practice notes had been scribbled. Cops ruled out John and Burke as the author but were unable to eliminate Patsy.
Judith admitted: “I agree with the theory Burke killed JonBenét but I don’t think he meant to do it. I think Patsy did everything in her power to protect her living child. I think she wrote the ransom note whilst John staged the scene in the basement.
After calling the police Patsy began inviting friends over to the house and in the commotion John went missing for an hour and half. It is my opinion he was disposing of evidence.”
Operator Kim Archuletta, who took Patsy’s 911 call, believes the panicked mum’s voice changed afterwards.
Patsy mistakenly thought she had hung up. Kim said: “You hear the frantic tone in her voice as she was speaking to me. It immediately stopped.”
In the past it has been claimed voice enhancements of the tape pick up John saying: “We’re not speaking to you” before Patsy allegedly asks: “What did you do? Help me, Jesus.”
Some claim Burke’s voice can be heard asking: “What did you find?” - even though his parents have always claimed he was asleep at the time.
Burke, who now leads a reclusive life working from home as a software engineer, denied in his recent interview he was involved.
He said: “That’s not what happened. There’s been people who have said that’s not even physically possible for a nine-year-old to do that.”
And the Ramsey's lawyer Lin Wood told The Sun he was not surprised by Burke’s demeanor during the interview with Dr Phil. He said: “He can come across awkward and he has a nervous smile during difficult conversations. But he wanted to speak out.”
Lin revealed the Ramsey's plan to sue over the documentary, which he said contains “no legitimate evidence”.
added the latest theory ignores evidence of a possible sexual assault and suggestions in the autopsy report that JonBenét may have died by asphyxiation not a blow to the head.
Over the years police have looked into 160 potential suspects and quizzed known pedophiles but none could be reliably placed at the scene.
If JonBenèt were alive she would be a 26-year-old woman now,” Judith said. “It just breaks my heart she may never receive justice.”
Not a suspect at the time of the killing, Burke is NOW highly suspect of the murder.
@@GeneralGeorgeS.PattonJr. Jesus, why did you repeat the whole of your original overlong post?
I agree with you
As sad as it is, I believe the main reason for the many mistakes the police made in dealing with this case (including having the father search the basement by himself, visitors entering the house and possibly tampering with evidence, not conducting separate interviews with the family members) is that the family was wealthy, exposed, respected, and maybe being white helped as well. It's like the police themselves initially refused to even see the family members as potential suspects, because come on, they didn't match the child assaulter profile.
So many contradictory clues point to the family AND outside it. Meanwhile, a human being has been living 6 years mostly objectified and subjected to enormous unnecessary stress, before being terminated this way. It's one of the saddest stories I've ever heard.
You forget the opposite possible as well from the police dispatcher down to every cop there that day they were clueless immediately everyone should have been sent outside the house it clearly was a crime scene though police mingle all day an forensics is ruined. Remember this fact
OJ did it!
When you start using wealth and the color of their skin, nobody can take you seriously. Use your brain.
I am with you on this - most people have their prejudices, even if they shouldn't, like the police or criminal courts. We must emphasise that this family was ultra rich (2 private jets and 1 yacht - as if one of those would not be lavish enough!) and for that reason, probably looked up to by their community.
how did the detectives assigned to this case keep their jobs ?!?!?! securing the scene is the fist thing done.
"Corruption".
These were the days before Police had started randomly shooting people...
Judge ordered the protection of the 9 year old murdering brother.
@@KBS117 LMAO. Stop making up more Lies just because clearly you have a hate-filled Agenda against this Proven innocent family.
@@KBS117
Bull$hit.
@@darkhorse9472 hahaha, yeah, no one wants to accept the simple truth. They want it to be some big rich man, crooked cop, child predator, crooked justice system event. Fact is, the 9 year old boy, laughed all through her funeral. Finally he had eliminated the one thing that was robbing him of being the spotlight in his parents eyes. Most sociopaths are born that way, their brains are wired different. I'm raising one right now. She is 14 now, and one of 2 things are true. She is getting better, or her intelligence level has superceded mine and she again has me fooled.. they learn to mimick us, so they can live and dwell among us. It's their time alone you have to watch, that's when the stupid controlls the intelligence..
She and i were born just a couple of months apart. I remember my parents watching this case & being really disturbed. I hope she finally gets the justice she deserves. Rest in peace.
The parents did it. The only reason the case is such a mystery is because for some bizarre reason the parents are not the primary suspects. It’s a completely unsolvable mystery bc they refuse to look at the obvious wtf.
Amen and amen. Patsy wrote the note.
My thoughts exactly
@@jasonwillis4819 The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
* Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. They were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never SEEN Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
N.B. *Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!*
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, the Case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this 6 year old Child
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@beverlylawyer2286 Yeah John & Patsy come across as dumb & dumber hey & obviously both being Dumbos, they dropped a trail of breadcrumbs that led straight to Themselves & also according to all you Ramsey bashers, apparently they were such absolute Imbeciles, they must have had No Idea that Colorado had the Death Penalty.
FYI - there are a gross number of people who are murdered in the home when other people are there sleeping.
Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s, coal cellar still in situ, no window.
There are a gross number of those murderers who have Never been Caught.
Only JB’s family are Treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, Of Course. None of you have Read ANY Case Evidence, you’ve just watched TV & picked out the bits that Suit your Character.
Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household.
Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you Criminal Geniuses & Incessantly for over 26 Years, without even any Respect for the murdered Child.
THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who suffered in silence & even More So due to the high number of Monstrous people in the public domain.
Now, what part of Exonerated do you Not understand?
You should all be Ashamed of yourselves, the rest of the world Sure IS.
The parents were most likely the first suspects. In nearly every single murder case, the spouse or someone in the immediate family are ALWAYS the first suspects under investigation
A RUclips video isn’t going to solve the case…….BUT…..seeing that the parents routinely “sexualized” her in the “beauty pageants,” makes me look no further than her own family. RIP
Sometimes common sense has to prevail. Three page ransom note using items from the home, exact amount of the bonus he received, all materials used found in the home all point to someone close to the child either family or friends
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
*Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.*
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another.
What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
*NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!*
The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@bethryan9077Stop trolling everyone dude. Seriously. GIVE IT a REST.
@@jessethepersiankitty2377 Obviously you don't even know what 'trolling' is & BTW - telling people they are a troll is soo Yesterday. Yawn. Deary, see the word 'Reply', guess what That's About. Doh. I tell the True Facts about this case & so, I am Educating people, it's just too bad that you don't like that. Aww. Here's some more News for the wicked - you hate-filled Ramsey bashers do Not own the comment sections.
The only item used from the home was one of the Two notepads, in Fact. Besides many other items brought Into the home, many things belonging to the Ramseys were missing, for example - the My-Twin doll that JB had been given Xmas morning, John's woollen winter coat, Patsy's handbag, more than one Maud Humphrey Bogart figurine, but these were probably taken when the perps broke into the house Before. They had moved over other figurines to cover the gaps where they stood in the big glass cabinet.
@@jessethepersiankitty2377
Stop stalking Beth Ryan. You trying to bully her is pathetic. It's a public forum, bro. She has a right to post whatever she wants.
It's so aggravating to know that the police botched this case so badly. Many older cases have been solved in recent years, thanks to forensic genealogy. This should have been one of them. :(
The police didn’t botch it, they were stonewalled by the DAs office
My opinion: it took a lot of work to botch it up so badly.
They were def involved but to what extent I don’t think we will ever know. They wouldn’t cooperate with police from the very beginning that spells guilt to me. And the note paper and paintbrush are hers. How would the killer know where to find them? I don’t buy the intruder theory.
So let’s get this straight. The kidnappers took the girl, killed her, and came back to dump the body? Why leave the note if you didn’t take her out of the house. Or maybe killed inside the house, becuz a 4”6 35 pound kid got the upper hand on her kidnappers? If you guys believe it was a ransom, you will believe anything.
Whoever tied that knot on the guyot new exactly what they were doing. I would say not many people know how to tie a knot like that. It looked premeditated and took some time to make that. I'd say whoever did it and killed her has done it before. The amount of force it would have taken to crack her skull like that would in my opinion be from the strength of a man. Whoever did it had to have been in the house for some time to accomplish the note and all the rest. I also think the killer felt comfortable in the home. I think he knew the Ramsey's and was close enough to them that he knew the bonus amount and the layout of the home.
JBT was a child and her skull not fully developed as that continues until around 18-20 years old due to the growth of the pre-frontal cortex so in reality, a small child who was angry could most definitely cause such damage to a child's skull. Regarding the garrote, those are not very hard to make and a knot is an indicator, not evidence.
@@tedwojtasik8781 Whos side are you on? A childs skull doesn't come with a big hole in it Sherlock. Look at the autopsy photos!
@@laurielaurie8280 Nobody said it does and I do not appreciate your nasty tone. I was saying it would not take much force to do such damage to a child's skull. Have a nice day 🙂
John knew how to do it.
I don't really care if you like my tone. It was my comment and I didn't ask for yours.
The pineapple is damning evidence that someone in the family is responsible
The autopsy said cherries, grapes and pineapple which is fruit cocktail.....there was no fruit cocktail found in the house....no opened or unopened cans....
@@dominicsecret8029 who gives that to a kid right before you murder them? Makes no sense other than the family.
@@dominicsecret8029No, the autopsy did not say that. It said it was most likely pineapple. The fruit cocktail theory is another theory that another 3rd party came up with.
@@joeyjoe7930Nope. Just read about it. No food found in stomach. Possibly pineapple in intestines without mention of whether large or small. You conspiracy theorists have spread lies since the murder happened in what, 1996?!? No proof of any dysfunction or abuse in this family..... Almost 30 years later and no proof because they had no part in their daughter's murder....just like the lies spread about Patsy's handwriting "match"....all lies.....but let's go your hunches though...lol....
No
Douglas admitted he may be bias because he was friends with the Ramsey family.
Oh really? When did he say that?
@@bethryan9077 in his book “the cases that haunt us”
@@atheist-karate-guy Stop making up more BS just so because you want to seem relevant. BTW - before he was asked to look at this case, he never Knew the Ramseys.
@@bethryan9077 I didn’t say he knew the Ramseys before, I said he was friends with the family… look it up
@@atheist-karate-guy Go re-read what you Said first. You're just making up BS about someone else now because You have the Biased attitude about the Ramseys.
Making a child act in beauty contests at such a young age is ASKING for trouble! Poor girl had no chance of a normal childhood!
Her home life was hell I think . Her brother allegedly caused a lot issues with her . An then her mother expected her to be perfect . A grown up basically. The one thing I won't forget is when they brought her upstairs she still had a bow in her hair.however that's the picture they got sued over for publicity putting it on TV. 😢😢
An remember all the weapons came from the house . An johns request for his pilot cause they had Christmas plans !!!! Police had to tell him you can't leave .....😢
LMAO, deary, you don't even Know what the weapons Were. FYI - they were up so early that day of the 26TH, because they were to hop on their plane to head to Charlevoix. The pilot had the plane Ready. They were to meet John Andrew, Melinda & her boyfriend at the Minneapolis airport, then all flying on together to that holiday house for a 2nd Xmas gift giving. Obviously all that was Cancelled.
When JB was found after 1 p.m., John was told they had to leave as the house was then a crime scene. In front of a Cop, John called his pilot wanting to get to some sort of Safety & to Family in Atlanta, 2 perfectly Normal things to want to do. The cops relayed what he heard & John was told they couldn't go there so they stayed with friends in Boulder, with police around them 24/7. @@peggypasson8794
@@peggypasson8794 To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., where their kids were present & some adult relatives. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon there at about 2 p.m., by detective Patterson who was at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither of his parents were present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that despicable Bogus CBS show was aired after that also in 2016, Patterson publicly defended Burke & stated on national TV that he’d conducted an interview with 9 year old Burke & he didn't know Anything at all & he’d been very worried that his little sister was still missing.
Burke was interviewed again 10 days later by a police child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer or parents were with him & his parents had Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer nor his parents were with him & again, his parents Allowed that interview to take place.
Then, the poor Kid received a Subpoena to appear before the grand jury & off he went to do that Also, neither parent present & NO Lawyer there Either.
N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. It was Not. Forensic science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. BTW - pineapple is Acidic, it would Curdle friggin Milk.
They had all been up since 6 - 6.30 a.m. that Xmas Day morning & the kids played all day & with friends that afternoon & then again for half the night at the White's Xmas dinner party til about 9 p.m. JB fell into an Exhausted sleep when they got in the car to go home, making 2 stops on the way to drop off presents. JB was only 6 years old, she Did NOT Wake Up After That.
Burke did Not say on the Dr Phil interview that he ‘woke up & went downstairs’ to play with a toy. He walked in the door & went straight to his multi-storey car garage that he was given for Xmas. His father went downstairs, helped him put that together for 15-20 minutes then took him up to his room & helped him get ready for bed. The kids Never went downstairs on their own at night.
Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a toy golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The ever changing faeces Stories are Not true.
He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister in that interview 10 days later. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously were Not told the Details about all that happened to their little friend. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking.
The announcement through the media at the time was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were just After her death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open front to back & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole, the skull piece being split in 2 & inside. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot with the added on BS coming from Jim Clemente in 2016 & so that farcical CBS show.
One needs to Think about WHY that police Evidence of the 911 recording was put on a TV programme After the Ramsey’s book was released & they had appeared on the Larry King show in March 2000 where they spoke publicly about some of the cops’ failings. One needs to find out about Steve Thomas first though, the former narcotics officer, including that he constantly talked about the book he was going to write when supposedly working this case of a Child’s brutal murder. He said that Patsy hadn't hung up the phone properly & he said Burke could be heard saying something in the background. He accused the Ramseys of lying in saying Burke was asleep when that call was made. They were Incensed about that Next accusation & wanted to Hear what the cops were talking about. And, Thomas said Burke Only. The cops refused to let the Ramseys hear that recording. John & Patsy were So upset, they went on national TV & told the World what they had just been accused of & challenged the cops to cough-up with the tape. All went quiet. Please note, all this was After the grand jury hearing that took 13 months & where Burke was again questioned for a long time by the Special Prosecutor this time, Michael Kane. Next thing, a TV Show has the recording, Words are put on screen & suddenly it's supposedly All 3 Ramseys in the background.
How amusing but typical form from that scumbag Steve Thomas who’s nothing but a Proven Liar, who’s only accolade before this murder case was busting a bike theft ring. He released his childish book, was promptly sued for all the Lies & lost every cent that he made from the public’s purse strings. He had then moved overseas with his tail firmly planted between his legs.
When calling 911 Patsy was using the Wall phone in the alcove that was near that door by the grate that she called the kitchen door. John was reading the note over & over by her Then. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the metal cradle that was at the side of that phone is Clearly heard, CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. Under that phone on the wall, was a cupboard. If Patsy had put the handset down, all would have heard CLUNK.
Here’s the thing, why would they lie about Burke being downstairs? He was Allowed downstairs! Yawn. And then there’s the Fact that the closeted 9 year old Kid, would have coughed up in a nanosecond that he was there when his mother made that 911 call.
Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$.
In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained & Excited to be fired up.
DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that only the Ramsey bashers Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003.
People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB.
People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used & did Not belong to the Ramseys. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright.
FYI - Burke was Never even a suspect & that’s Why, within the Multitude of TV shows before 2016, he was never mentioned because the journos & presenters had No reason/cause to talk about him.
@@peggypasson8794 ALL assumptions.
The flashlight, (some believe to be the murder weapon), was found presumably on the kitchen table. As mentioned here, one theory is, the brother smacked her on the head with the light after she took several pieces of pineapple from him. It stands to reason the 2 siblings went downstairs for a late night snack, not wanting to turn on a lot of lights they used the flashlight to peer into the darkness.
The flashlight had no fingerprints on it, batteries inside the light were also void of prints. No one, neither the Ramsey's nor police, claimed ownership of the flashlight. The large hole in JonBenéts skull, which seemed to be the initial strike that caused the long crack, appeared to be in the shape of the flashlight head.
Why don't you people just be Honest & say that you watched that Bogus CBS 'show' & believed it all. Geez, you're all soo Embarrassing. BTW - that was Not where the flashlight was found. Next - the kids had been up since 6 - 6.30 a.m., that Xmas Day morning, playing all day & with friends & again for half the night at the White's Xmas dinner party. JB fell into an Exhausted sleep when they got in the car to go home at about 9 p.m. She was only 6 years old, she did Not wake up after that. Burke was put to bed by his father after helping him put a new toy together. Those kids Never went downstairs by themselves at night Ever. BTW - what part of Exonerated do you Not understand?
@@bethryan9077 Are you always this much fun?
@@danielwood8135 I am just someone else who knows pretty much Everything about this case & I tell the True Facts & so, I am Educating the public. I am Not intimidated by the hate-filled Mob posting their never ending Gobshite about every member of this poor family & who also live under the Delusion, that they Own the comment sections. It is Not my fault that there are soo many highly ignorant Ramsey bashers running around with their heads up their own a##es & then there’s all the brainwashed zombies. I am Proud to defend this Innocent family & at the same time, I am defending JB herself.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”.
@@danielwood8135 You're right, it's way more fun to attack victims than to defend victims from brain dead ignorant vile nonsense.
@Beth Ryan you talk like you were there in their home, that very night 😅
Kids accidentally hurt each other all the time. Mine was that, after mum had told my brother to stop jumping from the couch onto a beanbag and he didn’t, I yanked it away just as he jumped. He got a twisted ankle and I had to go get some bandages from the nearby chemist. Did I mean to hurt him? No. Did I hurt him anyways? Yes.
Burke had a history of getting JB hurt - accidentally or not. I truly believed that he did it and his parents panicked.
To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., in Fact, where many adult relatives of the Whites were present & their 2 kids. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon of the 26th at about 2 p.m., when he was still there, by detective Patterson who was on the scene at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither parent was present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that despicable Bogus CBS show was aired in 2016, Patterson publicly stated on national TV that he’d conducted an interview with 9 year old Burke & he didn't know Anything & he was very worried that his little sister was still missing.
Burke was interviewed 10 days after the murder of his 6 year old sister, by a child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer or parents were with him & his parents had Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer nor his parents were with him & again, his parents Allowed that interview to take place.
Then, the poor Kid received a Subpoena to appear before the grand jury & off he went to do that Also, neither parent present & NO Lawyer Either.
N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. It was Not. Forensic science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. BTW - pineapple is Acidic, it would Curdle friggin Milk.
Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a toy golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The ever changing faeces Stories are Not true.
He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously were Not told the Details about all that happened to their little friend. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking.
The announcement through the media at the time was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were just After her death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open front to back & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole, the skull piece being split in 2 & inside. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot with the added on BS coming from Jim Clemente in 2016.
Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$.
In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained & Excited to be fired up.
DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that only the Ramsey bashers Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003.
People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB.
People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used & did Not belong to the Ramseys. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright.
FYI - Burke was Never even a suspect & that’s Why, within the Multitude of TV shows before 2016, he was never mentioned because the journos & presenters had No reason/cause to talk about him.
No way how did he get a stun gun or the dna
Someone in her house killed her. Not an intruder.
I don’t think so,the evidence doesn’t point to them!
@@LaurenKaminskiThe ransom note does
@@N4divers LMAO, no it does Not.
@@N4divers The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
*Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.*
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another.
What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
*NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!*
The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
How do you explain the two unknown DNA samples?
One of the biggest red flags is that after reading that the kidnapper was going to call by 10 o'clock, why did no one seem to notice that 10 o'clock came & went?
Ever read the note?? It clearly stated that the call would be between 8 & 10 Tomorrow.
@@bethryan9077 Exactly...
O.J. isn't looking for the killer of his wife and John Ramsey isn't looking for his daughters killer either. There, l just solved two cases that have been baffling people for decades 😕
I was a pretty young teenager when this happened and I remember feeling so sad about her being killed. I guess I was to young to even think about her being assaulted as well. Hearing this now really disturbed me. I wish her peace and I hope who ever did this pays in some way. God the world really is messed up.
I was the sons age when this happened
No stranger is going to calmly sit down and compose a 2 and 1/2 page ransom note after killing this girl and leaving her in the basement. Thats called a clue. Then refusing to sit down and be interviewed by the police after this terrible tragedy is also a clue.
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost.
Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA.
The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
*NOBODY would try to disguise some letters of their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* Some cops also had moron syndrome.
The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.*
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly.
Last year a cold case team were put together & they’re on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both perps’ DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
The Boulder Police were Not ready for this type of Crime/Murder. They needed help and refused to ask for it . Shame on that Department
Parents who enrole their kids in these contests are on the same level on as those who raises their boys as girls and vice versa. They're deranged.
I am in Flint Michigan. Where I worked, the office manager put her 6 month old baby in a child beauty pageant. The girl won a trophy for the prettiest dress. Wacko.
Wasn't the mother often extremely upset at JonBenet for constantly wetting her bedding and night clothes? I think the mother killed her daughter, as I suspect this woman was mentally unhealthy, especially showcased by her incessant need to make her daughter a beauty pageant queen, seemingly at any expense.
Basic Known FACTS - Patsy was dressed & ready to go, found the note, read a few lines, raced back upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John. She could only say about a note & JB gone, he said to call the police. 2 males had got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the White’s Xmas dinner. They had broken in before & that’s why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m., in her bed JB was choked with the cord, tasered on her back, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent that went out the window of the boiler room, front of the house. Fibres from the frayed ends of the cord were found on JB’s sheet & are in evidence. Both perps ran out a dickie door through the garage, down to the back, waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had ran into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. That was Not a garrotte, it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity as part of the torture during vile acts. Due to this & positioning, plus JB was given a lot of water over this period of Hours, is why there is so much pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. A square of carpet & underlay at the boiler room entry was cut out due to the pee stain & that’s in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific, then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's Exact height. The end of what was actually a calligrapher’s tool that was used at her privates was cut off & never found because some deviants keep trophies. That item did Not belong to Patsy. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did Not eat Any pineapple that was in that bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The Stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME pineapple was in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the small intestine. In Patsy’s recorded police statement of ’98, Thomas Haney told her the tiny bits of pineapple in the top of the small Intestine was Different to the pineapple in the bowl. When Patsy called 911 on the wall phone near the kitchen, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. *There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then both fractures of the skull that were also pre-planned if the cops were called, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st - a brick on the top of the head that caused the huge open fracture down nearly the length of the skull. The 2nd - a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd - was the rounded handle end of the black steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called, they didn't plan that Patsy would still be on the phone. That phone was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no cash was paid. Their back up for money was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It's easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers into the note as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise her writing which is Impossible to do for near 3 pages & the Real experts know that fact. From his vantage point Meyer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. This plan, JB was Never to be taken from the basement. SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & that’s why so much is now known - Plus, due to the crime scene techs who did an excellent job in taking all the photos, videos & collecting the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. But Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later because the investigators Present, refused to target the Ramseys. He later went on to Pretend that he was the lead detective. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a Ransom, which Was the First crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile case. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about False & Misleading information to the media. That amount of money was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96 that were in his office. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened for the 2nd time after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Early that morning, separately, 3 officers failed to go in the train room door & so through to the windows & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs ‘93 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo or the cops’ walk-thru video & see the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That bowl (with pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. The silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree on the handle that was like the filigree on some of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of Plus the DNA that had Already cleared them & lots of others including known pedos & then John Mark Karr who said he did it. *I have left out the details of the vile acts perpetrated upon this poor child as a bit sensitive for the page.
It was crazy that they let all those people into the house when it was part of a crime scene.
Burke killed her. He had a history of inflicting violence on his sister whenever she was receiving more attention than him, and he accidentally killed her in another fit of jealousy and rage on the night after Christmas. His parents, not thinking straight and being the status-obsessed weirdos that they were, were worried they'd lose their nine-year-old as well, and decided to stage a botched kidnapping to protect their son from the law (even though he was too young to be punished) and save the family from becoming pariahs. Then, as the whole scheme quickly started unraveling, the parents immediately ceased cooperating with the police except on grounds that would make further investigation into the family borderline impossible, claiming the police were persecuting them by considering any possibility other than the outside intruder theory.
Before the killing, the parents were already seeking psychiatric help for Burke, who seemed to have anger issues, great difficulty telling right from wrong, and a tendency to smear his f*ces over his sister's possessions, possibly indicating a severe psycho-s**ual maldevelopment and an unhealthy attachment to his sister. A maid once reported walking in on Burke "playing doctor" on his younger sister, who then blew up into one of his characteristic rages and screamed at her to get out. All these track well towards indicating that Burke, along with physically ab*sing his sister, was also s**ually ab*sing her as well.
Either way, the case will likely only be settled if either John or Burke confess as to what happened before they die, and neither seem likely to do so.
You need to do some Actual research online instead of believing all that you read in books & see on TV Shows. That Bogus CBS 'show' - formatted to James Kolar's book of BS blaming Burke & that's why Kolar was present with meathead Clemente front & centre - His Scam. Sensationalism sells & soo many just lapped it all up yet the show was all about blaming a 9 year old Kid. CBS were mightily sued for the ‘gross misleading of the public’ & those lying Con Artists were included in the suit. CBS settled out of court & paid up with mega millions of $$$. The 2 so-called scientists, Lee & Spitz, were personally sued for their deliberate lies & misinformation. These 2 often worked as Paid Pipers for defence teams, for example - OJ Simpson, Michael Peterson, Caylee Anthony. *The X-ray of JB’s skull Shows that there were TWO Severe fractures. One was from the top of the head, front to back & Open to nearly the length of the skull. The other was a Hole & a Separate fracture, the skull piece was split in 2 & inside. How does a whack on the head, by any means or from Any weapon produce Two fractures like That? It is a fact that if Either of the fractures had occurred Before death, the skull would have been filled with blood, It Wasn't. At about 1.30 a.m., JB was choked with the cord to prevent a scream when in bed, tasered on her lower back to incapacitate her, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried down to the boiler room. Green tinsel from the stair railings was in her hair. She was given a lot of water over a period of Hours & tasered & tortured with the complex made Bondage Device - that was Not a garrotte & that's Why the Loops over the shirt at her wrists. All can source the photo of the whole thing. The Authentic autopsy report can be found online. The 1st of 9 pages has the symbol for Boulder County. Forensics proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple in the bowl & as officer Haney told Patsy in the police interview of ’98. JB was never unconscious & there were dig marks from her nails in her skin At the cord because she was fighting for her life when being strangled to death. The autopsy photos Clearly show those marks And the White flat nylon Cord that was left Embedded in her neck. The savage blows to the head were also pre-planned if the cops were called & occurred just after her death, 3 weapons, each in evidence & None were that flashlight. The 1st weapon used was a brick & that caused the 8” fracture from the top down the skull & the photo of the skull shows the impact from the brick, on the top of the head. The measurements Match. Some crime scene photos show the brick in the cellar. The 3rd weapon caused the hole that the 2nd started. One slam from the third, being the rounded handle end of the black steel ball bat, that the perps put on the half-wall outside of the butler's kitchen door where they exited from & left open after the cops left. The utility knife was left in the cellar & one tool was used to do small stabs in a shape to the skull, was broken off & never found. That large 15 tool utility knife did Not belong to Burke. From the position of the cord at the front of the neck & the necklace deliberately ‘caught’ at the bottom of the cord at the front, Proves JB was on her Back when strangled to death. As do the dig marks in her neck from her nails. It is Not a coincidence that the necklace was at first Held in that position & the gold cross was turned to the back. There were rust coloured marks at each temple & on the calf of one leg. A rusty log grabber was found in the cellar as seen in some photos. This was also used in another aspect of the crime before the perps left. The paintbrush was cut & broken into 3 parts & the whittling of the wood was only to implicate Burke - the housekeeper used to chat to the Barnhills, Glenn Meyer was ever listening. That was Not a paintbrush of Patsys. The end was used at JB's genitals & that caused bleeding that was wiped off with a blue cloth. The fibres are mentioned in the Authentic autopsy report. The tip was never found because some deviants keep trophies. Other vile acts occurred but too sensitive for this page but suffice to say that crime scene photos show the cut off end of an electrical cord hanging from the ceiling in the boiler room - some redness & slight swelling just inside the genitals, that scumbag Steve Thomas turned into ‘chronic sexual abuse’. The large pee stain on both the underpants & the long-johns is predominantly on the front & all-but to the waist on both, due to positioning earlier. This whole crime for money & revenge was set up to incriminate the whole family if the perps didn't get their quick cash. The taking of photos was their back-up for money. That CBS 'show' put up a doctored photo of JB's sheets with a big yellow stain when in fact JB did Not wet the bed. They swayed the public with 'some parts' that had been heard & read about previously & just twisted info to suit Their agenda. They said a ligature was 'wrapped around the neck as staging' & showed a Photo of a packet of blue rope. In the guest room, a blue rope was found in a bag, neither of those items belonged to the Ramseys. The abrasions at the base of her neck were due to the cord being tightened loosened tightened, some time Before the strangulation. Then there was the denial on that 'show' of any type of sexual attack at JB's genitals because the Real Facts of what happened to the child there, was too much of a stretch for their Audience to believe, that Burke would have done all, Or the parents & That's Why - They DIDN’T Talk About the huge fracture down the skull OR the Strangulation. And Then, they said the cops were looking for the wrong offender, as-in, looking for a pedo. Spitz had the Hide to say that the very small slithers of wood must have jumped into the vagina when John carried the body up the stairs & referred to That as contamination. Forensics proved the wood was from the paintbrush. Burke's train tracks had 3 steel pointy pins Not 2 blunt ones. Kolar made up That garbage from his head, saying Burke jabbed JB on the back, so 2 'abrasions'. Spitz said Burke did that when JB was Deceased because he knew full well that if still alive, 2 hard jabs would have caused bruising. The ME had No experience with stun guns Or tasers & that's why he noted as 'abrasions' in his first report. Renowned forensic pathologist, Michael Doberson Did have that experience & Stated - some type of stun gun. The type of Air Taser used has been identified & they were Burns, not abrasions, the shapes were rectangular. The Same burns on her face & under her ear, as on her back & are the same Width apart. The reason for the area hit near the brain, is about control - instant pain, little balance to walk & poor memory. The one on her face was bigger because the electrode was placed there more than once. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs, 1993, Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns to his face, the second was on his ear lobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. Lee & Richardson donned white lab coats, had brown Labelled bags on a table As If evidence in those bags. Cops do Not give out Evidence. They did that Pathetic ‘demo’ about DNA, knowing Full Well the DNA was from 3 Different places - under JB’s fingernails, mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants & 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns. They also Knew that the DNA from one of the perps had been in CODIS since 2003. **From this bogus show, the Story about the factory worker’s DNA on the underpants took hold. FAKE writing ‘samples’ as if Patsy’s & as if from police files, has been put on chalkboards since the books of BS were put on shelves. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. Unfortunately for the Ramseys, Steve Thomas was brought in as one of the investigators because the Present ones refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder case before. He thought he would make a name for himself from the high profile crime & constantly talked about the book he was going to write. The BPD were only interested in saving their own incompetent asses & went into damage control because the child was found in the home that afternoon by her poor father when - Their officers Should Have Found JB early that morning. They Hid lots of what they did & didn't do from the public & the Mayor pretended there was no maniac child killer running around town so the media were at the family Instead. Thomas & his cronies also Hid vital evidence from their superiors & the DA on several occasions including from the grand jury, Of Course. Alex Hunter - Saw all the evidence known at that time, that pointed to an intruder, the public Did Not. Many years later, James Kolar was in the DA's office for a short time, got himself fired & went off to write His book of BS for financial gain - his Hook to reel in the Public, blame Burke. Beckner took over as Commander in Dec ’97 & he also made false statements to the media. He at least came to some realisations eventually & publicly stated "when the owner of the DNA is found, there's your killer". There have been Lots of so-called ‘experts’ who came out of the woodwork to find their version of fame & to make Money from this high profile crime. There are also many pages put on vids with 'typing' as If from police files, all Fake. It's nearly 26 years & the False information continues to go around about this case & it grows legs on a daily basis. I don't know when the autopsy photos, the authentic autopsy report & so much more was put online but it's there now. Obviously the 'authors' & promoters of documentaries & such Never expected any of the Actual Evidence to be available to the public
To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., where their kids were present & some adult relatives. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon there at about 2 p.m., by detective Patterson who was at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither of his parents were present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that despicable Bogus CBS show was aired after that also in 2016, Patterson publicly defended Burke & stated on national TV that he’d conducted an interview with 9 year old Burke & he didn't know Anything at all & he’d been very worried that his little sister was still missing. Burke was interviewed again 10 days later by a police child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer or parents were with him & his parents had Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer nor his parents were with him & again, his parents Allowed that interview to take place. Then, the poor Kid received a Subpoena to appear before the grand jury & off he went to do that Also, neither parent present & NO Lawyer there Either. N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. It was Not. Forensic science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. BTW - pineapple is Acidic, it would Curdle friggin Milk. They had all been up since 6 - 6.30 a.m. that Xmas Day morning & the kids played all day & with friends that afternoon & then again for half the night at the White's Xmas dinner party til about 9 p.m. JB fell into an Exhausted sleep when they got in the car to go home, making 2 stops on the way to drop off presents. JB was only 6 years old, she Did NOT Wake Up After That. Burke did Not say on the Dr Phil interview that he ‘woke up & went downstairs’ to play with a toy. He walked in the door & went straight to his multi-storey car garage that he was given for Xmas. His father went downstairs, helped him put that together for 15-20 minutes then took him up to his room & helped him get ready for bed. The kids Never went downstairs on their own at night. Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a toy golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The ever changing faeces Stories are Not true. He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister in that interview 10 days later. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously were Not told the Details about all that happened to their little friend. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking. The announcement through the media at the time was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were just After her death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open front to back & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole, the skull piece being split in 2 & inside. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot with the added on BS coming from Jim Clemente in 2016 & so that farcical CBS show. One needs to Think about WHY that police Evidence of the 911 recording was put on a TV programme After the Ramsey’s book was released & they had appeared on the Larry King show in March 2000 where they spoke publicly about some of the cops’ failings. One needs to find out about Steve Thomas first though, the former narcotics officer, including that he constantly talked about the book he was going to write when supposedly working this case of a Child’s brutal murder. He said that Patsy hadn't hung up the phone properly & he said Burke could be heard saying something in the background. He accused the Ramseys of lying in saying Burke was asleep when that call was made. They were Incensed about that Next accusation & wanted to Hear what the cops were talking about. And, Thomas said Burke Only. The cops refused to let the Ramseys hear that recording. John & Patsy were So upset, they went on national TV & told the World what they had just been accused of & challenged the cops to cough-up with the tape. All went quiet. Please note, all this was After the grand jury hearing that took 13 months & where Burke was again questioned for a long time by the Special Prosecutor this time, Michael Kane. Next thing, a TV Show has the recording, Words are put on screen & suddenly it's supposedly All 3 Ramseys in the background. How amusing but typical form from that scumbag Steve Thomas who’s nothing but a Proven Liar, who’s only accolade before this murder case was busting a bike theft ring. He released his childish book, was promptly sued for all the Lies & lost every cent that he made from the public’s purse strings. He had then moved overseas with his tail firmly planted between his legs. When calling 911 Patsy was using the Wall phone in the alcove that was near that door by the grate that she called the kitchen door. John was reading the note over & over by her Then. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the metal cradle that was at the side of that phone is Clearly heard, CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. Under that phone on the wall, was a cupboard. If Patsy had put the handset down, all would have heard CLUNK. Here’s the thing, why would they lie about Burke being downstairs? He was Allowed downstairs! Yawn. And then there’s the Fact that the closeted 9 year old Kid, would have coughed up in a nanosecond that he was there when his mother made that 911 call. Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$. In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained & Excited to be fired up. DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that only the Ramsey bashers Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003. People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB. People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used & did Not belong to the Ramseys. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright. FYI - Burke was Never even a suspect & that’s Why, within the Multitude of TV shows before 2016, he was never mentioned because the journos & presenters had No reason/cause to talk about him.
so they knew exactly how much bonus he received that year ..$118,000 to ask for in the ransom.. how obvious
Because foreign factions need $118.000 how much would each member get once it's divided hardly worth it when you think about it like that which any gang of crooks would think about before going into this.
@@dino9071 Exactly! How many would be in a foreign faction? 4 maybe 5. They would end up with cigarette money if they smoked once the money was divided. If not weed money.
@@freddie3206 remember it was a “small” foreign faction….less money if it was a big one! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Which makes me think someone was trying to frame him. If you were going to murder your daughter, would you ask for ransom the exact amount of your Christmas bonus?
@@larrydirtybird Yes, if you thought you had to come up with the cash quickly.
The ransom note was planted. The killer was a family member
I don’t think so,you aren’t going to be that dumb by using your own pen & paper!
@@LaurenKaminski she was in a panic. Handwriting experts claim 200 similarities between the handwriting on the ransom note and that of JBR’s mother
@@obviously6thbeliever The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP to Be. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
*Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.*
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another.
What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
*NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!*
The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys. If you’re actually a tax payer, well, You’re paying. LMAO.
I believe 100% parents covered up and know what happened.
I don't think we'll ever get the answer.
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You should be very careful when accusing someone of murder. It's called libel.
Well, yes, they would.
You can't prove that anymore than I believe it was a well planned staged frame kidnap turned murder
@@darkhorse9472relax it’s a RUclips comment 😂
This case is truly baffling. Previously I thought the brother had something to do with it. Now I think it was someone the family knew. The ransom note was the EXACT amount of the dad's bonus. You know how people talk. I think the dad and/or mom discussed the amount of the bonus to one or several friends. Maybe they were bragging about it. Someone got wind and hatched a plan. My parents have told me to never divulge your finances and never let people know when you will be out of town.
I, like most people, am fascinated with this case. The fact the ransom note asked for the EXACT amount of John's bonus at work just screams someone insode did it. The pineapple in her stomach also says a lot. One thing about science, it's as objective as you can get.
I hope i see this case solved in my lifetime. I think mommy did it.
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
* Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. They were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never SEEN Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
N.B. *Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!*
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, the Case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this 6 year old Child
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@bethryan9077 woah, did you type all that? What's up with the over-capitalizing of words? Just curious 🤔.
If you did write that, thank you. I got more out of what I just read than I seen in my life. There were many, many things I didn't know or read. If what you wrote is true, which I believe totally, then that explains a lot. Lot of times you just accept what you hear and it's something I try not to do. Don't ever delete that as I'll come back and actually read that as you made a shit load of sense. Obviously the way you wrote and the way you worded it, you are not from the US, English I would guess. Lot of the documentaries I see, just spin the same thing and what sticks out to me, is the note, and how the ransom was Ramsey's bonus at work. What are the odds someone is demanding $118,000 (an odd request) exactly the bonus that John got. Usually demands are rounding off to the nearest thousand, or million. ($1,000,000, or $100,000, or $200,000) why such an odd number?
So what you mean is that the killer is a male, white or Hispanic, and there are 2 different males who's DNA was under the child nails.
Obviously, you know your shit on the case. Where did you get all that info from? I'm just curious cause you covered every angle I could think of.
Again thank for taking the time so send all that and clear any confusion I had. You made a lot of sense. Perhaps you should be writing scrips to some of these phony documentaries that are ubiquitous on TV and RUclips.
The pineapple was the last food she had eaten prior to her death. This we know. And it had been stated, that, there was not any pineapple, served at the Christmas party. So she had to have gotten it when she got home that night from the Christmas party. This we know for sure. 🙏
@@chadczternastek I would capitalize words here & there for emphasis when replying to certain people but ages ago I put together several long narratives to cut n paste as standard info. Only so many lines can be put on the reply bar so that's why no or few paragraphs, jamming in main points of info that I post to whoever, so the capitalisation is just included for all now, no offence intended. I'm from Auss - "g'day mate" & all that. Ha.
Yes, that number was way too weird hey. Glenn Meyer's lucky number was 18 & there were more than one 18s within this particularly insidious crime, 18 chunks of pineapple in that bowl, for example. Then there's the fact that he received $118,000 as a vets' payout x years before, I kid you not. He was stationed in Korea for a while for that war. The paintbrush they bought & used was made in Korea. The cord tied to that handle but the word 'Korea' being visible still was not a coincidence. Finding out that John's bonus for '95 was just over $118,000 would have been hilarious for these sociopaths, as was Much of what they did all over the house, for their amusement & they knew full well that the cops' would video around the house & take loads of photos - there were hundreds of crime scene photos & so, their 'handiwork' was very well documented but the keystone cops weren't onto all of that, at all.
Two killers, one white, one hispanic. I will send you another narrative with a few more details about all 4 involved, but these 2 killed JB. No, DNA from one of them under JB's pinkie fingernails plus her DNA. Originally I typed up those 2 long narratives in a hurry as a reply to someone, plus space/number of words is a problem, as mentioned. I do need to fix them so they're better understood & a more concise sequence also.
From Lots of researching but then the specifics about the perps & determinations about the evidence is from the many dedicated Seasoned investigators who continued the search & as mentioned, people have talked. Lou Smit was one of The best investigators in the country & besides all his other cases, he Solved over 200 murders. He got onto the fact straight away, that a sadistic fiend tortured then murdered this child. People single out One aspect about him, that window & the cobweb - when the main reason for filming himself being Able to Fit through that window was because the Cops said John lied in saying he broke that window in the summer when he locked himself out of the house. The lousy cops didn’t even Try to see if any of them could get down into the window-well, break the top part of the glass above the latch that was half-way down, reach through to unlock it, then climb through into that room. The cops just touted amongst themselves that no adult male could climb through the window that was ‘too small’. Lou didn’t write any friggin Book. People today still mock him, just for that demo & because of the web in the corner. Again, the perps did Not enter the house through that window.
I put down the basics but there is much more in general that I impart & I also post about the many, Many other items that the perps staged around the house. People don’t know that there were personal items of the family that were Missing. I left out the details of the vile acts perpetrated upon this poor child as a bit sensitive but I have discussed that with others at some sites who also know what else Really happened to her.
What I said in relation to the contents of JB’s digestive system is from the Authentic autopsy report that can be found online. The 1st page has the symbol for Boulder County & the phone number & address of the Boulder Coroner's office under that title. The full transcripts of Patsy & John's police interviews of '97, '98 & 2000 can be found at a site - Shakedown. Autopsy photos are online - from above her shoulders only. There’s the X-ray photo of the skull which also proves a lot in relation to soo much utter BS told about this case, the made up stories that grew legs about a ‘bonk on the head’ that’s still going around in 2 ridiculous scenarios because of the 2 lousy cops who were only ever interested in lining their pockets.
I am yet to watch One video that has all True facts about this crime & the aftermath. There are pages being put on videos still, as If Patsy's writing & single letter 'samples' & as If from police files - All Fake. Some TV shows edited general & police interviews to suit their agendas & cut back & forth with talking that is out of sequence & photos of fake documents as well as crime scene photos, that did not go with what was being said in the conversations. Many put up unrelated photos that they got from wherever. Dr Phil played this same game with Burke - mentioning things that weren’t true, then cutting Burke off when he asked him questions. Then the putting up of photos that Burke didn’t know about, but the convo went on as if Burke Did know. I saw a drawing on a podcast episode many weeks ago, depicting JB & how she was on the living room floor but no blanket over her. All was incorrect, even how her hair was when found. The false & misleading information plus fake photos of areas of the house has Always been rife.
Online you can also find - some police reports, evidence lists, forensic items listed, other statements, affidavits, depositions, lots of crime scene photos, the police walk-thru videos & more. Also, forensic scientists in England have weighed in on this case in relation to the DNA results & a few other aspects about some other evidence.
It sure takes a hell of a lot of work but at the same time, one needs to know how to tell the difference between a fake document & an authentic one. I liken this case to doing a very big jigsaw puzzle that has loads of very small pieces. And then that box contained many pieces that didn’t fit, so there’s a hell of a lot of checking & re-checking to sort all the pieces out.
N.B. - the authorities Know - who, what, why, when & how. When the one who was 17 at the time is found, there’ll be an announcement.
Cheers, thank you so much for your reply, your interest & even more so, your support.
I fully understand why soo many have totally the wrong idea about a) the whole family b) the crime as a whole starting from the moment Patsy called 911 as I have watched Loads of the videos, whether from back at that time & now all the channels on utube. Old newscasts, talk shows & documentaries from then & now all the 'shows' on utube . Yep, full of false information & lots of variations of that. Jeez. Fake documents put on screen as if from the police files, fake photos sometimes that are not even of their house & the rooms etc etc.
Actually, I will send you another 4 posts. Some info is repeated because I often send one only to people, depending on what the reply is related to.
N.B. If the public knew Everything that was set up in that house & all that they did around the house when the parents were asleep, besides all that was done to this little girl, the public would Freak the hell out.
Apologies that it has taken me this long to get back to you.
@@brendaholman3835 To say that the pineapple was the last food eaten prior to her death is Not TRUE. Go back & read Again what I stated about the contents of her intestinal system - that is Quoted from the Authentic autopsy report that can be found online, go Find it, the 1st of 9 pages has the symbol for Boulder County. Again, the COPS Told Patsy that the tiny bits of pineapple in the Top of JB's Small Intestine, were Different to the pineapple in the bowl. The Full transcripts of John & Patsy's police interviews for '97, '98 & 2000 are at a site - Shakedown. Officer Tom Haney told Patsy that Fact, her interview for '98. FYI - forensics Proved that JB did Not eat ANY of that pineapple in the bowl, the items on that table were Staged by the perps. You do Not Know, At ALL. And BTW - the kids had been up since 6 - 6.30 a.m., that Xmas day morning, playing all day & with friends & again for half the night at the White’s Xmas dinner party. The Ramseys left to go home at about 9 p.m., making 2 stops on the way to drop off presents. JB fell into an Exhausted sleep when she got in the car. She was only 6 years old, she did Not wake up after that.
Lastly, her time of death was when Patsy was calling 911, on the 26th, In Fact.
I always followed this case and just recently found out that poor little Jon had multiple yeast infections and that’s why she wet her bed. Someone sexually abused that baby multipleeee times and that’s not being spoken about enough ☹️. Who hurt that baby !!! Pageants are very adorable but some parents take it toooooo far and they do not care or protect them babies.
Totally agree and funny poppa finds her after the search. And hes never persued the monster who did this well they know..
@@lauraozburn3871 omg, just Shut It, about a case that you Clearly know Nothing about.
Well said. I agree!
@@michealallison8756 Yeah in the blighted eyes of all you Victim Bashers, John & Patsy must come across as dumb & dumber hey & obviously both being Dumbos, they dropped a trail of breadcrumbs that led straight to Themselves & also according to your ever so proud Cult of Ramsey Bashers, apparently being absolute Imbeciles, they must have had No Idea that Colorado had the Death Penalty.
FYI - there are a gross number of adults & kids who are murdered in the home when the occupants are there sleeping. Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s with the former coal cellar still in situ underground & so, No Window. There are a gross number of those murderers who have Never been Caught.
Only JonBenet’s family are treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, Of Course. None of you have Read ANY Case Evidence, you’ve just watched TV & picked out the bits that Suit your personality type & then bang on with a load of garbage about a crime that you know Nothing about & do your best to constantly denigrate these very kind people who you Never KNEW.
Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household.
Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you now Criminal Geniuses & Incessantly for over 26 Years, without even any Respect for the murdered Child.
THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who had to suffer in silence & even More So due to certain members of the Boulder PD who got great Enjoyment from deliberately leaking false & misleading information to the media, for no other reason than to save their own Incompetent asses.
You should all be Ashamed of yourselves, the rest of the world Sure IS.
@@lauraozburn3871 John Ramsey has paid for private investigators for years. He's made TV appearances to keep the crime in the news.
The parents and Burke are 100% guilty
The ransom note never mentions Jonbenets name. Always refers to her as "your daughter". The Ramseys also never refer to her via name either, always saying "that child" or "our daughter". Trying to distance themselves from the crime as its too painful and personal to mention her name
Something involving the family or a close friend of the family. Will someone please tell me how a stranger could break in and hang around, not to mention carrying out a vicious murder without waking up the parents or brother?
Marian Paroo, That is an easy question to answer. there was no intruder.
There are Many reasons why kidnapping has Always been a rare crime. One has to take the time to Think about Why. This was a very, Very well Planned crime for quick Available cash & with others, that plan turned into a crime about revenge against John. This highly insidious set up was to implicate all Ramseys plus others around them, for good measure. The research began quite some before & that included - the Ramsey’s whole family, friends, associates, neighbours, well known violent movies about kidnapping plots as well as previous famous kidnapping cases & famous sadistic murders. This Plan, JB was Never going to be taken from the basement.
It was always going to be 50/50 if the cops were called. They sure didn’t go to soo much trouble & take such high risks for nothing. The taking of photos was their back-up for money.
From footage of the front of the house, it looks like a double storey Tudor style home. From the extensive renovations, that was a Huge 3 storey mansion - plus the basement that had multiple rooms. The butler’s kitchen was another level again, stairs either end to go down there but ground level, with the glass exit door. This section was situated along the side part of the house that was isolated & ran down the side of the garage. Unlike the other 3 sections that were basically all windows & glass doors, all 3 storeys.
The room where JB was found in the basement, used to be a coal bin as the house was from the 1920s. Basically it was under the sunroom, front left corner if standing looking at the front of the house. The cellar was used for storage & the Xmas trees were kept in there. That was the only room in that whole house that was cement & didn’t have a window. Due to changes over the years & then the Ramsey’s renovations, as there was no window, that room wasn’t visible from the outside. To get to that room, one went down the basement to the bottom of the stairs, a turn to the left & straight down the hall where the door to that room at the end was straight ahead & clearly visible, as seen in the cops’ walk-thru videos. The stories about that as a hidden room are Not true. The stories about that room being known only to the family are Not true. Soo much BS still going around about this case, for 26 years & counting. Being from back in the day, the light switch fixture for that room was situated at an odd place, one had to step inside, take x many steps to the left & it was hanging from a cord on the other side of the beam, about halfway into the room. There was a doorknob but no lock. To Pull the door open, one had to firstly reach up to the top & flip the wooden latch up then pull on the doorknob. The basement was painted about 1 year prior. The palm print on the inside of that cellar door was never identified.
The parent’s bedroom suite was the whole of the top storey. Burke’s room was at the front & basically under their bed. JB’s bedroom was 70 metres down from Burkes, through the playroom first & a couple of turns. The spiral staircase was across from but just near JB’s bedroom. That back staircase went down to the main living areas & the quickest route to the kitchen. The basement door was on that level & the entry to get there was near that staircase but up a hall that was separate to those living areas. The main staircase was near the front door. The slot for the mail was to the side of that door with a box to catch it underneath. The Ramseys would enter & exit the house through the garage & the mudroom was near that internal door. Visitors would use the front door or the back patio door that Patsy called the kitchen door. That door was 2 glass doors actually, as seen in photos, the door near that grate. The window for the alcove was next to that door, the alcove where the wall phone was situated.
@@freddie3206 Yeah John & Patsy come across as dumb & dumber hey & obviously both being Dumbos, they dropped a trail of breadcrumbs that led straight to Themselves & also according to all you Ramsey bashers, apparently they were such absolute Imbeciles, they must have had No Idea that Colorado had the Death Penalty.
FYI - there are a gross number of people who are murdered in the home when other people are there sleeping.
Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s, coal cellar still in situ, no window.
There are a gross number of those murderers who have Never been Caught.
Only JB’s family are Treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, Of Course. None of you have Read ANY Case Evidence, you’ve just watched TV & picked out the bits that Suit your Character.
Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household.
Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you Criminal Geniuses & Incessantly for over 26 Years, without even any Respect for the murdered Child.
THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who suffered in silence & even More So due to the high number of Monstrous people in the public domain.
Now, what part of Exonerated do you Not understand?
You should all be Ashamed of yourselves, the rest of the world Sure IS.
It would be Very interesting to conduct a survey in the U.S., to find out the percentage of the Ramsey bashers who Do NOT Have - a Four storey 7,000 square foot Mansion - nor 2 private planes, a designer built yacht, a centrefold holiday house & money to Burn. Envy is a Sin you know.
@@freddie3206 Intruders are pretty tricky if they want to be. They could be silent if they want to.
A lot of people can sleep through anything & maybe the killer wasn’t being loud.
I don't know what happened that night, but I believe the parents know what happened.
What always kind of bothered me about the case is, in the ransom note ( how did the kidnappers know ) to the dime, how much John Ramsey made? That information isn’t usually public knowledge.
That is very suspicious
That to me is one of the clearest clues that the parents were involved in the murder. That, and the fact that the easiest way into the house, a broken basement window, had a spider web in that empty space. No one could have gotten in that window without smashing the web. Yet there were apparently no other signs of forced entry.
This was a very, Very well Planned crime. The perps had broken into the house Before, that's Why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. That bonus was for '95 & paid to John in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96, that were in his home office. @@v.r.m.891
Many individuals related to the accounting department at the Father's workplace were aware of the amount of his Christmas bonus.
@@hodgeelmwood8677spiders can make a web in hours it’s not uncommon
Whats sad is this little girl got zero justice
It's sick that the mother and father had that child in those pagents at such a young age! No matter what the truth is they are still resposeable for her death.
Right, so according to Your victim bashing brain cells, all kids who are murdered, the parents had them in pageants. People like You are the bane of society.
Thanks viewing 1996 through 2023 eyes. What other time periods do you want to judge through 2023 vision? The 600s? Do you think it was sick they tied a horse to each of a persons limbs and pulled them apart? What about the 1800s? Do you think its sick they would hang someone and leave their body hanging until the head came off and children would often turn these locations into hangout spots with a body hanging above that could decapitate and fall on them at any time? Was that sick? What about healthcare in the 1800s and before? Do you think it was sick that surgeons would stick their fingers inside of peoples open wounds without ever washing their hands? Was it sick that they never washed their aprons as it was an indicator of how experienced they were? Many getting to the point they would take a solid form? Do you think that was sick? Please tell us more things that you think is sick that was completely normal for the time it happened.
A lil extreme dont you think? Just because your child is involved in activities dosent justify what happen here🤷♂️
Honestly if the world wasn't filled with pedos I would it was pretty harmless stuff. I mean it s a little weird but....
Seeing a child that young in all that makeup and behaving on stage like she did makes me sick to my stomach! And sick is the operative word! The whole situation is SICK! If the little girl had lived what would she have become? That entire family should be ashamed! No doubt her mother went to her grave knowing the truth! Such a shame! Wonder how the mother would have handled it if her daughter had been born ugly?
And I might add...I dare say it has never been solved due to a wealthy family being involved! Evil!
This case is always so surreal to me. I was 7 when it happened and I didn't quite comprehend everything going on in the news, but I remember seeing that picture of her face a lot. Rip JonBenet
What kind of a mother and father would allow their children to be dressed like an adult, in an obviously sexual way!? Six years old! If I had my way, those two grotesque and creepy people would be in prison. Those kinds of "beauty pageants" should be illegal. Disgusting. What a planet.
Well, where there is smoke there is fire. Why did John and Patsy not want Jonbenet's body to be exhumed????
The girl was molested time and time again, she had yeast infections at age 6 and they said her vagina looked like an adult woman’s. I don’t think that the family tried to cover up their son, I think either the father molested her and ended up killing her or they pimped her to family friends and this happened. I find it bizarre that people ignore that jonbenet was molested when talking about this case. This isn’t an accident. And definitely it’s not normal for parents to be calm enough to cover up their son instead of calling an ambulance to help their daughter even if she appeared dead and then play with her dead body to cover up a scene and write a ransom note.
I do believe she was molested anyone who parades her around dies her hair makes her dance likes stripper is sick plus if you're abuser is in you're home you actually block out the molestation. Plus 3 calls from the home to Jeffery Epstein's island family said they must of miss dialed. 3 times to a Island and 10 minutes was longest she sold her she put her on the market. It's sick but it happens everyday. The parents made me sick.. father and mother ..
I don’t see Anyone railing against all those who Make Up from their sick Heads, all the despicable garbage, which is them Accusing JonBenet Herself, of all the Vile incest & paedophile acts that they conjure up with Glee & post proudly.
Of the Hundreds of such comments & Stories that I’ve read from these abhorrent so-called human beings, Nobody says a friggin Thing to them. What a National Disgrace.
Hang on that’s right, Lots of Other so-called human beings Do say certain things to them, they Agree with them. And because they’re of the Same Ilk, they’re Bolstered to post Their sick thought processes about the same Vile acts, incest & paedophilia, all about this Child, including 9 year old Burke sometimes & no-one rebukes them in Any way.
There was never one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually molested Nor one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually abused. Not one Skerrick about Burke either. Yet the Ramseys & their Kids are very cruelly subjected to a round-robin of particularly grotesque accusations that include - child sacrifice, satanic worship scenarios, pedos at the garden parties, selling their child, their friends being Allowed to abuse their child, society members being Allowed to abuse their child including Of Course, Epstein & so on & so on - on it goes, Incessantly.
According to the same so-called human beings, because the Ramseys were wealthy at the time, all of the above is what they did with their spare time.
Nobody Ever mentions that the Ramseys had deep faith in God & were avid church goers.
One can pop over to the many videos about the Chris Watt’s murder case. Let me know when you find Anyone who has posted Any comment about Him sexually abusing his little girls Or any other comment about a gang of his friends who did the same & worse.
Of all the Hundreds of videos about same subject & victimology, Nobody talks about Any of Those kids as soo many do about This, highly intelligent 6 year old murdered little girl.
Shame on you.
BTW - what part of Exonerated do you Not understand?
My theory: somebody obviously had a bandage kink and liked to tie up little girls. The father? Someone the family knee? I mean the death could have been "accidental" in that the person wasn't intending to kill her but they went a little too far or something went wrong and they realized she was dead. They couldn't just explain that to the police that she died as a result of that, it would probably still be first degree murder due to the reckless nature of the conduct, with the mandatory sentence of life or death.
So they decided to stage this as a break in. It never really made sense but what else could they do? They probably thought about putting her in the car and hiding her body somewhere but that would be very risky, if anyone saw either of them leave, come back or driving around town late at night it would be over they'd be absolutely done.
If it was an intruder of course they would have taken the body with them, that way the note they spent all that time writing would actually throw the police off for more than an hour. She was 6, and on the thinner side for her age, this is not a 150lb or 200lb adult, he could have easily removed her from the house but ne he decides to leave all that evidence just waiting for the police.
@@JamesWatheistit was a very high up person. JbR’s daddy had all these lucrative contracts that had made him multimillionaire.... Parents just sold off their daughter for the sake of climbing socially.Yeah that person overdid it accidentally....
Dr refutes the claim she was repeatedly molested. You are spreading misinformation.
When you look only at the evidence, discount theories, speculation, and apply Occam's Razor, it all points to the parents.
The Boulder PD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but were Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was Unknown male DNA evidence, from the public’s consumption.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
* Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. They were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was his marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never SEEN Patsy’s writing.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
*NOBODY would Write a ransom note & on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!*
Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, the Case Or about what was Actually perpetrated upon this 6 year old Child
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@bethryan9077wrong..i saw Patsy's handwriting next to the ransom note and it's a perfect match
@@richardlawson6787 It has never been proven Patsy Ramsey wrote the ransom note.
@@DebraHarrison-b2x actually im a former fbi handwriting expert...i concluded it was indeed patsys handwriting no doubt...it wasnt even close the letters were perfect matches
@@richardlawson6787 Anyone can come here and say they are a handwriting expert can't they?.
Patsy wrote to someone in London before JonBenet was murdered.
It's called the 'London Letter'.
I've seen it and it doesn't match the ransom note at all.
Oliver did not write that ransom pamphlet. The Ramsey's did, I will never get past that ridiculous Die Hard script ransom note.
The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long Long time ago with a mountain of Actual evidence & by a whole bunch of Actual experts under the umbrella of Law Enforcement who included the Seasoned expert investigators who had to be brought into the case, expert Crime Scene techs & expert DNA & forensic Scientists. You are nothing but another daft Nobody who watched a few biased TV shows full of False information that you believed because you Chose to do that as you’re not very Bright. Doh. At least you’re not the only one with that affliction.
You are wrong, you will Always be wrong & you need to deal with that Fact!
All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.
The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly.
Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re & on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both perps’ DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.. Now go play.
How can you "accidently" kill a child, with tape, garroting, violation with objects, and head trauma.......
This could be possible if the child was a victim of auto-erotic asphyxiation. The perpetrator cut off her air supply during the deviant sexual act and realized that he/she/they had gone too far and were unable to resuscitate her. She was then hit over the head to stage the rest of it. So tragic all the way around. The wealthy elites and their Pedo rings stop at nothing for their perverse sexual acts against children.
How did the "kidnappers" know to place the random note on the winding staircase that was used only by family and not the large staircase?
My thing was why wasn’t the ransom note left in her room when taken. Why would they take her to the basement-write the letter- then creep back up but stop at the staircase (maybe they heard someone waking up) but that would debunk them being at the home for hours. Her corpse was already in a rigor mortis state 1-6 hours. Finding her at 1pm would line up with thier story of contacting the police would kill her meaning she died that instant when she called and police arrived+plue them leaving the scene all at the same time dosnt make sense. I call bs. A stun gun is loud af in the middle of the night. And that torture would be loud so the family had to know something.
Most people would leave the note on the kitchen table where you know most normal families will be getting up and getting breakfast straightaway in the kitchen as soon as they wake in the morning and they wud then spot the note
@@KeepingTheFaith123 I would argue that “ most people “ (kidnappers) would leave it where the kidnap-ee’ was taken from, perhaps even with an item or bodily fluids from the victim if it was in another location like the front door. But from the inside. The stairs seems like an over thought.
@@gioguillen311 FYI - the Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long Long time ago with a mountain of Actual evidence & by a whole bunch of Actual experts under the umbrella of Law Enforcement who included the Seasoned expert investigators who had to be brought into the case, expert Crime Scene techs & expert DNA & forensic Scientists. You are nothing but another daft Nobody who watched a few biased TV shows full of False information that you believed because you Chose to do that as you’re not very Bright. Doh. At least you’re not the only one with that affliction.
You are wrong, you will Always be wrong & you need to deal with that Fact!
All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.
The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly.
Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re & on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both perps’ DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@gioguillen311 This was a very, Very well Planned crime for money that turned into a revenge crime against John. You kids know Nothing about this case except the tabloid fodder BS & 99% of you don't have the brain cells for True crime anyway. From his vantage point, Glenn Meyer could see through both staircase windows & knew the Ramseys came down the back stairs to make coffee each morning. The perps who got in the house on the afternoon of the 25th, had broken in Before. BTW - it is a proven Fact that an air taser was used, more than one place on that child's person. Then there's the fact that the house was a huge mansion, 3 levels plus the basement, that had multiple rooms & many cupboards. The parent's bedroom suite was the whole of the Top level.
I was a kid when it happened. Definitely made me learn how cruel life can be. This traumatized a generation
The concept of child beauty pageants is just inherently wrong. A 6-year-old is way way way too young to understand all the issues involved in such things. Even an 18-year-old might be too young. If beauty pageants are going to exist at all, then all participants should have to be at least 25 years old, and they all voluntarily decided to enter the pageant.
John and Patsy are the killers. How else would John know exactly where to look for the body? And it was obvious that Patsy wrote the "ransom" note. It's amazing how the detectives, etc , couldn't deduce this from the very beginning!!
I can see why you aren't a detective.
@@tommytwotoes3880 evidently you aren't either
Brother did it and they put her in the basement to cover it up. 💯!!
Have you read police report. A cop in the morning was in the basement walked right past a door to a small room part of basement an never bothered to go in that room hours later a clueless detective sling with other cops an 1st the dispatcher had no clue it was a crime scene let's family friends stay in house all day. Believe it or not the lady detective asks John to go around check everything again when John goes in basement he opens that door JB laying on floor dead. Complete lack of depth of the situation by police.
@@cherylthompson2731 To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., where their kids were present & some adult relatives. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon there at about 2 p.m., by detective Patterson who was at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither of his parents were present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that despicable Bogus CBS show was aired after that also in 2016, Patterson publicly defended Burke & stated on national TV that he’d conducted an interview with 9 year old Burke & he didn't know Anything at all & he’d been very worried that his little sister was still missing.
Burke was interviewed again 10 days later by a police child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer or parents were with him & his parents had Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer nor his parents were with him & again, his parents Allowed that interview to take place.
Then, the poor Kid received a Subpoena to appear before the grand jury & off he went to do that Also, neither parent present & NO Lawyer there Either.
N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. It was Not. Forensic science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. BTW - pineapple is Acidic, it would Curdle friggin Milk.
They had all been up since 6 - 6.30 a.m. that Xmas Day morning & the kids played all day & with friends that afternoon & then again for half the night at the White's Xmas dinner party til about 9 p.m. JB fell into an Exhausted sleep when they got in the car to go home, making 2 stops on the way to drop off presents. JB was only 6 years old, she Did NOT Wake Up After That.
Burke did Not say on the Dr Phil interview that he ‘woke up & went downstairs’ to play with a toy. He walked in the door & went straight to his multi-storey car garage that he was given for Xmas. His father went downstairs, helped him put that together for 15-20 minutes then took him up to his room & helped him get ready for bed. The kids Never went downstairs on their own at night.
Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a toy golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The ever changing faeces Stories are Not true.
He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister in that interview 10 days later. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously were Not told the Details about all that happened to their little friend. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking.
The announcement through the media at the time was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were just After her death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open front to back & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole, the skull piece being split in 2 & inside. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot with the added on BS coming from Jim Clemente in 2016 & so that farcical CBS show.
One needs to Think about WHY that police Evidence of the 911 recording was put on a TV programme After the Ramsey’s book was released & they had appeared on the Larry King show in March 2000 where they spoke publicly about some of the cops’ failings. One needs to find out about Steve Thomas first though, the former narcotics officer, including that he constantly talked about the book he was going to write when supposedly working this case of a Child’s brutal murder. He said that Patsy hadn't hung up the phone properly & he said Burke could be heard saying something in the background. He accused the Ramseys of lying in saying Burke was asleep when that call was made. They were Incensed about that Next accusation & wanted to Hear what the cops were talking about. And, Thomas said Burke Only. The cops refused to let the Ramseys hear that recording. John & Patsy were So upset, they went on national TV & told the World what they had just been accused of & challenged the cops to cough-up with the tape. All went quiet. Please note, all this was After the grand jury hearing that took 13 months & where Burke was again questioned for a long time by the Special Prosecutor this time, Michael Kane. Next thing, a TV Show has the recording, Words are put on screen & suddenly it's supposedly All 3 Ramseys in the background.
How amusing but typical form from that scumbag Steve Thomas who’s nothing but a Proven Liar, who’s only accolade before this murder case was busting a bike theft ring. He released his childish book, was promptly sued for all the Lies & lost every cent that he made from the public’s purse strings. He had then moved overseas with his tail firmly planted between his legs.
When calling 911 Patsy was using the Wall phone in the alcove that was near that door by the grate that she called the kitchen door. John was reading the note over & over by her Then. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the metal cradle that was at the side of that phone is Clearly heard, CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. Under that phone on the wall, was a cupboard. If Patsy had put the handset down, all would have heard CLUNK.
Here’s the thing, why would they lie about Burke being downstairs? He was Allowed downstairs! Yawn. And then there’s the Fact that the closeted 9 year old Kid, would have coughed up in a nanosecond that he was there when his mother made that 911 call.
Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$.
In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained & Excited to be fired up.
DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that only the Ramsey bashers Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003.
People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB.
People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used & did Not belong to the Ramseys. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright.
FYI - Burke was Never even a suspect & that’s Why, within the Multitude of TV shows before 2016, he was never mentioned because the journos & presenters had No reason/cause to talk about him.
I still blame it on someone who worked in the house. Someone who had access to everything. Someone who could’ve left the window open to get in. If they were an inside employee, they could have sat there at their leisure that day, and written a note, because nobody was home. And then left the window open to come back later. This case has been looked at so many different ways for so long and it’s so sad.
Someone the father worked with and was friends with is more likely.
If it were an inside employee using window to get in or out ( which makes no sense) then the cob webs would've been broken and they weren't. There wasn't an intruder and it wasn't an employee of the Ramsey's. JB died by the hand of a family member. Most likely Burke and JR put the kidnapping plot together with PR helping to set the scene.
@@radicalreactions1633 Yup. That has been my thought also for many years. As a matter of fact, J.R himself has expressed the same possibility himself, because a very rarely mentioned fact is that Johns company had a contract with none other than Lockheed martin itself. That's a BIGGIE.
Good point and very possible
The ransom note wanted the exact amount of the father's bonus. The exact amount. No way that's a coincidence. The odds of someone guessing that have to be so improbable as to be impossible. Most people don't talk about how much they've received in bonus. It has to be a small number of people who knew that. Look at who knew the amount of the bonus and the killer will be one of them.
Jon's brother was slow and known for his violent outbursts. He's abused his sister before, and JonBenet's stomach contents revealed that she had consumed a pineapple dessert that was her brother's favorite. Jon's mother can also be heard yelling "What did you do?!" on the phone call when she thought she had already hung-up. This leads me to believe that the brother struck his sister out of anger (for stealing his food) and fatally injured her. The family, now panicked, staged a scene and shelled out money to tamper with evidence to protect their remaining child.
No you have got it wrong.
Why don't you just admit that you watched that bogus CBS 'show' & believed it all? Yawn. FYI - the Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long Long time ago with a mountain of Actual evidence & by a whole bunch of Actual experts under the umbrella of Law Enforcement who included the Seasoned expert investigators who had to be brought into the case, expert Crime Scene techs & expert DNA & forensic Scientists. You are nothing but another daft Nobody who watched a few biased TV shows full of False information that you believed because you Chose to do that as you’re not very Bright. Doh. At least you’re not the only one with that affliction.
You are wrong, you will Always be wrong & you need to deal with that Fact!
All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.
The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly.
Last December a cold case team were put together by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation & they’re & on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both perps’ DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.. Now go play.
watch the boy get interviewed by police on day 2! "are u scared to be in the house now?" they ask
He shrugs nonchalantly.."no..." Why? Supposedly his sister was murdered there hours before!
To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., in Fact, where many adult relatives of the Whites were present & their 2 kids. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon of the 26th when he was still there, by detective Patterson, who was on the scene at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither parent was present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to the where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that Bogus CBS show was aired in 2016, Patterson publicly stated on national TV that Burke didn't know Anything & he was very worried that his little sister was still missing.
Burke was interviewed 10 days after the murder of his 6 year old sister, by a child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer was present with him & the parent's Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer was present with Burke & the parents Allowed that interview to take place as well.
N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. Science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple.
Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The faeces Stories are Not true.
He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously are Not told the Details about all that happened. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking. The announcement through the media was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were After death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot.
Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$.
In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained.
DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that most people Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003.
People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB.
People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used. The 1st fracture was front to back & Open, nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole & the skull piece was split in 2 & inside. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright.
FYI - the Ramseys never put one foot back in that house Ever again from the moment JB was found & they left about half hour later.
@@bethryan9077 pllleeasse.....the ransom letter says it all...a COVER-UP!!!
@@myracurtis7706 The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP to Be. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
*Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.*
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another.
What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
*NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!*
Chief Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
@@bethryan9077 u r delusional if u actually believe what ur claiming...
I've watched 1,000 of these types of shows, my hunches are usually correct...and I just can't get past the parents
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
*Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & unless subpoenaed by the prosecution - No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. FYI - the vote was Not for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA actually Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. Less than half the States, still have this abysmal grand jury system. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The jurors were Conned into believing Patsy wrote that Ridiculous note, that’s All.*
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another.
What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolfe lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Loads of others, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago.
The DNA from one of the unknown males was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - same unknown male DNA as from the underpants at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
*NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!*
The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022.
Recently a cold case team were put together & have now started working this case. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
Same here.
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“I know, everyone says how pretty our child is so let’s make her up to look like some kind of adult model sex symbol then take her and show her off to large groups of adults that all love watching children made up to look like adults”. Lunacy
There is something seriously Wrong with people like You who see this little girl's beautiful costumes & dresses as the child being made up to look like some sort of adult sex symbol. Go get Help.
BTW - the pageants are attended by mothers, aunts, grandmothers, sisters, you know, Females.
My heart still breaks for this poor baby. I hope to see some sort of justice done. She deserves at least that.
IMO, the parents knew what happened and were involved.
The most difficult situation in this investigation is wanting to fit a stranger as the killer into this crime scene. That huge ransom letter written with the house's paper and pen, in impeccable handwriting, is unbelievable and the exact amount requested, exchanged in small numbers, corresponded to an amount received as a bonus by the victim's father. Obviously the victim's father was not going to write the letter. Who asks for a ransom and leaves the body in the victim's own home? It is theoretically impossible for an intruder to waste time calmly composing a long letter with the victim's parents inside the house. Therefore, it does not hear intruders. The victim's parents' lawyers did everything they could to hinder the investigation.
The Ramseys were Proven Innocent way back when the wheel was invented then officially & Very publicly Exonerated in 2008 - with a mountain of Actual evidence & by a whole bunch of Actual experts under the umbrella of Law Enforcement, including expert DNA scientists.
Chet Ubowski from the CBI decided that a few of the letters within that printed note were similar to Patsy's print writing of the same letters & the flame was lit. Loads of unscrupulous dimwits have made Loads of Money from a note that Patsy did Not write. Nobody would Handwrite 365 words & numbers to form a 3 page ridiculous ransom note & do that on their Own notepad plus use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops. NOBODY! Patsy was Not an Imbecile but this case has shown that there are a humungous amount of people who Are.
Police do Not hand over their Case Evidence to journalists, TV producers, radio hosts, writers of books Or utube promoters Or any outside 'influencers'. This case has Never been to something called a Trial. You people know absolutely Nothing besides tabloid Fodder.
Stick to your one hour made up simple plot TV crime shows, that tell ya the ending, True crime is Way over your head.
No way a stranger committed this crime just no doubt about that it was a well planned ransom turned murder or a cover up
For Douglas to have such a reputation, it’s surprising he’d present such a stretched theory to protect the parents
EXACTLY! It helps that they paid him.
Z J, Douglas was full of sh*t! There was no intruder. John Ramsey lied and changed his story to many times. He also acted very suspicious. No intruder is going to kill a child, redress her wrap her in her favorite blanket that happened to be upstairs in the dryer. This was an inside job. Lou Smit was right with his first theory that it was the parents. Something made him change his mind.
John Douglas is a known liar who follows the money
@@ruthann664 He wasn't paid a cent deary.
@@pauly1148 You're the Liar who runs down every man & his dog because it doesn't suit Your hate-filled agenda. Yawn.