Steven Avery definitely killed Theresa Halbach. Brendan was somehow involved, unwillingly. To what extent I’m not sure. The police and other people involved didn’t handle the case very well to put it mildly, that’s why there are still people who believe in Steven’s innocence. It is sad that Brendan’s life is ruined because of his uncle. America is a horrible country for putting a 16-year-old away for so long.
In my opinion, Avery is guilty. I am not certain about Dassey. I feel he was there but not vf sure he actually did anything. The interrogation is troubling.
The reason they seem shady is because the Making a Murderer documentary edited it specifically to make it look that way. It was incredibly deceptive what that documentary did.
I'm going to believe the "shady" police who had absolutely nothing to lose if Steve and Avery would have won his millions of dollar lawsuit. Nothing to lose. So if they had nothing to lose why would they set him up? He was always a sexual predator, he was always a criminal. You know when he was in prison for the crime he didn't commit. He drew pictures of a torture chamber that he was going to build to rape and torture women. Did they show that in the original documentary? Nah they didn't. Stephen Avery is nothing but a disgusting murderer and briefest and so is his nephew. Being slow doesn't make you innocent. If you watch all of Brandon's interviews. It is very clear he is offering them information and it all coincides with what happened to Teresa. They found a tooth in Avery's yard. Tooth. Her tooth. He's a murderer!
If you watch the rebuttal documentary "Convicting a Murderer", the cops look a lot less shady, and Avery looks very guilty. The filmmakers in "Making a Murderer" were not trying to make a fair and balanced documentary. It became clear they were making an advocacy peace and used deceptive editing and other deceptive practices to make Avery appear to be innocent. I believed it was highly likely Avery was innocent when I first saw Making a Murderer. I now believe it is highly likely he is guilty.
What I remember from making the murder they searched his room where the murder is said to occur three times. On the third search two officers involved with the original overturned rape case magically found evidence that was overlooked twice when they weren't there.
Search warrants need to be incredibly specific. They didn't do 7 thorough searches of the entire trailer. They went in there 7 times looking for very specific items.
the 7 searches were for taking specific things, including the final search where thy were sent to take his porn, the key fell out of the desk his porn was in, so they did not search the entire room 7 times. the 2 cops were not actually part of his overturned conviction, they were not even cops when they conviction happened
Regardless of if he did it or not, the trial and the police consistently coercing during the interviews to a child who had diminished capacity, suspicious evidence “showing up” after 7 searches and countless other blunders on the justice systems part makes it so that their trials were not fair.
I've been screaming the same thing for years-- the police did a lot of damage to the credibility of their narrative by not following procedures and just over all bumbling
There's even more evidence against Avery than there is in the Scott Peterson and Barry Morphew investigations, just to name a few. The biggest evidence against Avery is: The RAV found on his property with both his and Teresa's blood in multiple places within. Her remains found in his burn pit and burn barrels, along with her electronic devices. Bullets found in his garage, one of which had Teresa's DNA on it and was ballistically matched to the. 22 caliber rifle that hung above his bed. A luminol reactant spot in the garage near the mower Dassey claimed her body was by. The key to Teresa's vehicle which was discovered in his trailer (not after 7 searches but 7 entries - a very common misconception). 1st entry was a body check only and before they found the RAV, 2nd was for a PC serial number and the auto trader book, 3rd was for the rifle, etc etc until the 7th entry which was for a thorough search of the bedroom. Then there's the circumstantial evidence against him: The *67 calls to her phone before arrival + non *67 call after. Him taking off work that day and not returning which even according to him he never did. His property being the last stop she made that day on her photo shoots, as well as being her last known location and him being the last known person to see her. And the anecdotal evidence against him: Bobby testifying he saw her with him the day of the crime. Robert Fabian testifying he saw Avery burning things in the barrel they later found her electronics. The auto trader woman who says Teresa mentioned the creepy behavior of Avery to.
@BB-pg5kl As sleezy as they seemed, walking back a confession already made by your client is extremely difficult. Like sub 5% chance of being able to make that case. In their mind, doubling down on it and going for a plea deal was Brendan's best and only option. Not saying it was right or wrong, but if they'd been able to do what they wanted, he'd be a free man already as the deal was for 15 years.
The worse thing for me was that apparently he slit Theresa's throat on his bedroom, yet his bedroom on inspection CLEARLY hadn't been cleaned in months and zero.blood stains 😂😂😂 No signs of a deep bleached clean in any part of the property where this bloodbath allegedly happened. Clearly all the evidence is planted. Disgusting
@@penskepc2374those sorry bastards killed them little kids,,that Damian dude was a real piece of crapp..And people forget dumbass johnny Depp helped free the child murders,Depp should have stayed making movies and left serious stuff like getting involved in a case with children being tortured and murdered alone
@@penskepc2374Nope. Seems pretty clear Steven & Brendan are innocent, framed by crooked coppers who were still butthurt that their previous wrongful conviction of Steven had been overturned.
It's believed that Brenden has a low IQ and perhaps an unspecified learning disability, but he managed to attend a regular public high school while taking just one or two SPED classes. Overall, he was functioning close to an appropriate age level (which was 17 at the time of the murder). The narrative that he is somehow incompetent was completely fabricated by MAM. He's a little slow, maybe easily manipulated, but he knows exactly where he is and was completely competent to stand trial. The poor kid could be out of prison already if he had taken the plea deal he was offered, but he was manipulated by his own shitty family into turning it down in order to save Steven.
You've been greatly misled by the media, my friend. Brendan is a little slow, maybe has a low IQ, and is impressionable (which is why he was led to confessing by the detectives and why it's plausible that his uncle convinced him to get involved with the murder). He is not incompetent or so mentally handicapped that he doesn't know where he is. He was in one or two SPED classes at school, but was taking mostly regular, grade-appropriate classes.
Yeah, which is why they were arrested basically immediately. Her fingerprints were in his trailer, his and her blood was in her car, her body was in his yard, on and on the evidence built against him, it was super clear the moment anyone looked at it that he killed her.
No they weren't the evidence was literally all over the property, making a murderer just left all those bits out. The folded number plate found in another car on the lot, the bullet casings in the garage, the bone fragments found in the burn pit and those moved to the burn barrel, the remains of her phone, camera and memory cards along with the metal emblem from the jeans she was wearing. His finger prints found under the hood of the Rav 4 on the area where the battery was removed. They also didn't inform viewers that the blood in the car they claimed was put there couldn't have been taken from the blood vile kept in storage at the court because that blood had a chemical added to preserve the blood as evidence for future tests if needed. The blood in the car had no such chemical present. That was confirmed in court. If you watched convicting a murder part 1-10 you'd never trust another netflix documentary ever again. It really is hard to believe that a broadcaster like netflix would be involved in producing content with the scale of lies and omissions of truth in it and expect not to get called out for it.
Well, the narrator says "former sheriff Thomas Kocourek (shows a picture of the prosecutor, Denis Vogel, with the banner "Thomas Kocourek") then says "and it's former district attorney, Denis Vogel" while showing a picture of one of Avery's attorneys. For those that maybe don't know the story, that's going to be confusing if they watch the show.
Is this video AI generated? Lol there seems to be a lot of inconsistencies that have been pointed out in the comments and the voice sounds like it could be computer generated.
He was sentenced and served 6 of those years for running his cousin off the road and then attempting to kidnap her with a loaded gun. She was very misrepresented in the first series.
Anyone who's worked with kids like Brendan knows that they can mix up the experiences of others with their own, often without realizing it. After telling a grieving teen how I had also lost a grandparent, he repeated the details of what he'd just been told as if it had happened to him. Brandan's police interrogation was eerily similar.
I haven't watched the show in a long time, but I seem to recall that the police said the murder happened IN the trailer and that it was bloody, but like you said.... no blood. There's just no chain of evidence that makes sense, at least to me.
@@Kinhussar Look at a map of the Avery property (and take a few notes while viewing the documentary's detailed assessment of logistics, time frame and MOTIVE.) Then at least you'll know her body was burned rather than buried.
So are we going to ignore that in his "alleged" confession, Brendan said when he arrived at the trailer Avery allegedly had Halbach chained to the bed. The cuffs were allegedly attached to the bed frame. Yet when they dismantled the bed, no marks were on the bedframe. Next is that Brendan allegedly said he witnessed Avery slit Halbach's throat, then later Avery shot Halbach in the head. So if there was any throat slit or head shooting, why when the police stripped that room and used luminol, there wasn't one spot registering. Next is the shooting of her in the garage, yet no arterial spray and not one speck of dust was disturbed on the equipment or the car in that garage and where that bullet was found, there was not one drop of blood found in that broken concrete. Then the absolute fact that RAV4 key was not found during the five other searches of that room, yet the cops who were mentioned in the lawsuit Avery had against them, were doing the search and magically that key was found. Then there's the fact that everyone and their brother were allowed to search that car yard. Relatives of the victim were allowed to search. Nothing suspicious there at all. Now can we mention Kratz's sexual history?
Because she wasn’t killed on Avery’s property or by Avery or Brenden. She was killed at the quarry. Her ex boyfriend beat her up on the side of the road. Bobby and the stepfather found her unconscious, took her up to the quarry and sexually assaulted her and killed her. Then they set up Steven. Brenden was just collateral damage. Which is why Bobby doesn’t speak to Brenden and has never seen him in the prison.
@@jennarobinson4922 Added to that the fact that the younger of the two had a search history packed with "how to drown a woman," "how to decapitate a woman," "women murdered" and so many more. The reason Avery was pinned with the crime was so the state wouldn't have to pay enormous restitution for falsely arresting him before. That is why some politician or judge jumps in to block every appeal at the last second - bury Avery's team in time, legal fees, and paperwork.
@@jennarobinson4922 Yeah, this is the most plausible scenario. Funny how there was evidence that those 2 were near the scene around the time she arrived, yet were never interrogated to my knowledge.
I think even if he's guilty, the Police messed up the proper chain of command with too much evidence. And now there is no way you can say beyond a reasonable doubt that he's 100% guilty.
So this new programme convicting a murderer criticised Netflix for a biased documentary yet the narrator of the new series calls avery an evil murderer she sounds pretty biased herself with that comment
The Daily Wire makes no claims of being journalists. They are an extreme right propaganda channel, and only offers their bizarre ”opinions”. Anyone who watches them better beware that they come from a place where conservatism and fascism meets. They have no integrity what so ever. They get their funding from Big Oil billionaires, and their mission is to fight a ”culture war” against human rights and decency.
making a murderer DOESNT profess Avery's innocence. it RIGHTFULLY points out WILLFUL oversights in the prosecutor's case. inept law enforcement procedure and bias from a county that WRONGFULLY convicted Avery once before. the assertion of the documentary is that the conviction doesn't pass muster. which is 100 percent accurate.
Of course, MAM professed Avery's innocence. There was NOTHING wrong with the investigation and prosecution of Avery (Brendan Dassey is another story). When you are the last person to see the deceased, your fresh blood is in her RAV4 and her remains are found in a burn pit directly behind your trailer, you are guilty-end of story. Only the most gullible person on the face of the earth believes in Avery's innocence.
Yes but it also misrepresents the police by altering testimonies and editing interviews and phone calls. I agree that there are some missteps by the Police in this case and that the investigating was shoddy...but I think this is due to poor policing and not intentional framing.
@@timberedridge7224 so, not the point. again, the intent of MAM was to highlight that there were flaws in the ''due process'' of the case. simple. no MATTER the reasons police and prosecutors didn't do their work correctly. it is a miscarriage of justice in America when this happens. ergo, the conviction shouldn't stand. if the state wants to retry, fine. they didn't do it right. there are differing opinions of WHY the investigation was a debacle. I believe ALL police and DAs are corrupt and solely ego driven. that aside, this case is remarkedly flawed.
The intent of MAM was not to highlight flaws. It was to strongly suggest that Avery was innocent and framed by the police. ALL police and DAs are corrupt, and ego driven? If that is your attitude, that's YOUR problem. The case was "remarkably flawed". In what way?@@robbieg4700
@@robbieg4700 That is not 100% accurate. Cops are people so they better make a few mistakes because that's what we do. But they had a very difficult job to do, to find a missing person and to bring her back to her family. That was number one. Avery started flapping his mouth all over the news and was very inconsistent in those and to the cops, for example, Teresa had been there 15 times ---- Not Even Close! -- That is a direct lie but it was a good attempt -- he said that to hide the fact that she was targeted. Avery's Salvage Yard was also one of Teresa's last stops and she didn't make it to her final stop. So, a good place to start is somewhere around there. They interviewed the people from the last 2 stops that she did make it to (Avery and Zipperers) several times and Steven's ever-changing stories drew them in. -- He hadn't burned anything in two weeks, he didn't burn anything that night, he was in his house by nine when he was talking to Jodi on the phone, he was by himself, etc. If MaM's narrative was accurate then they wouldn't have had to twist so much of it but that's exactly what they did, not that they had a choice. All 20 episodes are full of it and they know it. ... unless you're falling for the silly parts such as that the cop was looking at the plates --- you know that's not true. Or that they wiped the bullet on her chapstick? Or that they planted his blood in her vehicle? Or planted the vehicle? The blood hound followed her scent all the way to where her vehicle was --- my only question is why they didn't share that part or the part where Avery told his dad he'd wiped the gun clean or when he said he burned the inappropriate pictures of Marie -- or the fact that he raped her. What about her crying about how bad it hurt and that he wouldn't stop? That wouldn't have worked because they wouldn't have been able to minimize it like they did the cat and everything else. Why didn't they share the part about him dragging his dog home all bloody because he ran away or when he gave his little girl hickies or when he knocked his son's teeth out?? Because leaving the real stuff out makes him look like the hero of the story and Kratz the devil. I just like how he later tried to hire Kratz, the guy who supposedly framed him for murder ... and since Earl had an eye appt that day, Steven couldn't blame him so he blamed his wife, Candy, instead, haha. ------> one of the people who saw the very big fire. Steven's words ---> "The fire wasn't hot enough to burn a body .... It was only hot enough when I'd burn a tire." .... in the fire he didn't have.
In hindsight, the show seems like more of an effort to make lawyers look like rockstars. They aren’t. None of them. Netflix certainly didn’t rely on the charisma of Dassy and Avery to sell it. “Just tell us why you killed Tupac Brendan”. Could’ve asked that kid anything.
The interrogation was illegal af. How can a child with cognitive and intellectual challenges interrogated without a lawyer? Judge should have thrown the interrogation out.
Its actually not illegal. That's part of the problem is people assume this stuff and they're wrong. Had it been illegal, everything that kid said would've been thrown out and confession unusable for court
no it wasn't. It was done perfectly actually and they were very respectful and Brendan was 100% fully aware he was free to go at any time as he repeated as such. Watch CAM and you will see this for yourself. They did an excellent job
the whole system is corrupt don't you get it? It requires less IQ than Brandon has to understand that all evidence was planted. The order probably came from the top. Whether she was murdered or living under a different name only the US justice system organized crime syndicate knows.
Absolutely. I honestly don't understand how a state can appeal a decision to overturn a conviction when they can't do that if the person if found not guilty. The state of Wisconsin could have granted Brendan a new trial, but without the forced confession, they had no case. When you hear the audio for the first appeal to the US District Court, you can hear that Judge Hamilton clearly has his mind made up. No surprise that he ended up writing the majority decision when the second appeal to the full 7 judge panel happened. 2 courts found his confession was coerced. 4 different judges all said the conviction should be vacated, and yet he's now in prison for life unless he gets a pardon, parole or new evidence comes in. That poor boy was done dirty.
@@squigglyline2813 No. Brendan was granted a petition of habeas corpus im federal court and ordered to be released or retried. The state of Wisconsin appealed to the appeals Court where a 3 judge pannel upheld 2-1 the lower court's ruling that Brendan's confession was coerced and therefore invalid, the state appealed again this time to the full 7 judge panel of the appeals court where the ruling was overturned as 4 judges found that the cops acted lawfully when getting the confession, and therefore Brendan's conviction was reinstated. Brendan's lawyers appealed to SCOTUS, who refused to hear the case. He has never left prison since his conviction all those years ago.
@@steamyrv I don't understand why the state prosecutor kept appealing like that. The kid was mentally slow, certianly no criminal mastermind, AND very obviously and publicly shown to of had been coerced. It makes me sick. That is serious leves of injustice done to that kid, now a full grown man. Steven Avery should just confess and help get Brendan out or something.
@@TP_Gillz It's unclear exactly why the state kept appealing Brendan's case even after it was overturned twice already, but one things we know for certain is that a new trial would go in Brendan's favor. The reason for that is that the entire case was based on Brendan's confession. There were no eyewitnesses, no physical evidence that tied Brendan to Teresa Halbach's death. Without that confession, there is no case and Brendan would have to be freed. This would mean Brendan could turn around and sue for millions for wrongful imprisonment (kind of like what Steven Avery did after being cleared of rape by DNA) and would win. They don't want that. The fact that the case received so much publicity and so much exposure after the Making A Murderer series also probably makes it so that the DA doesn't want to have to admit that a terrible mistake was made. Honestly, at this stage, I don't think even Steven confessing would change anything. The reason for it is that Brendan did not testify against Steven in court, his confession was never used against Steven and so I'm not sure that anything Steven says would help Brendan. The only thing that could save Brendan is a pardon from the state's governor, which doesn't seem likely. If SCOTUS had agreed to hear Brendan's case and ruled in his favor, he would be a free man today, but they didn't and he isn't. It's an extreme perversion of justice and the fact that people seem laser-focused on Steven Avery because of the sensationalized nature of his story just overshadows the fact that there's an innocent man in jail. Steven Avery got good legal representation and a fair trial, there was actual evidence presented against him (even if some of it is fishy), but not Brendan. He was railroaded by the cops, railroaded by his own lawyer and railroaded by an overzealous and corrupt prosecutor. It's disgusting.
There's just a lot of odd inconsistencies. This isn't me being a truther or a guilter, I finished convicting a murderer the other day and if anything it made me more conflicted than before. I never fell for the narrative the directors were trying to push in MAM, you could tell they were heavily leaning to one side rather than being unbiased so it made complete sense that they fudged some stuff to make their argument stronger. That being said, even after finishing CAM, I'm still not fully convinced that he's guilty or not, and I'm definitely still steadfast in my opinion that the prosecution did not actually prove him guilty. One thing that took out to me was how often the prosecution would say that Brendan's trial and his involvement had nothing to do with the avery trial, but they always seemed to bring it up, or facts based off of what Brendan said. It also goes the other way. Idk how Kratz could say "this murder was committed by one man" in his closing for the Avery trial, and then be party to implicating Brendan in TH's murder during his trial. If I'm the defense I'm bringing that up in my closing for Brendan's case. It's not much but it would have been one more inconsistency to try and sway the jury in your direction
This robotic version of the Avery situation is a heavily biased and inaccurate waste of time. Stories that detail the Wisconsin Court of Appeals ineptitude are legion. Avery's dilemma is just one of the most glaring examples.
Her body was burned in a fire pit 10 feet away from where Steven Avery sleeps at night, this fact alone tells you all you need to know about his guilt, you don’t need videos or documentaries, just use a little common sense
@@maryhalverson5713 lmaooooo so there was a fire blazing for over an hour 10 feet away from Steven Avery and Steven didn’t see it or hear anything that night? U can’t be this ridiculous and naive can you?
@@maryhalverson5713 seek help if you believe a fire was burning 10 feet away from where Steven Avery sleeps and he didn’t see or hear anything that night…. My god I’ve officially heard it all
Killing someone that was supposed to be at your home at a scheduled time, and then leaving her car for anyone to find. Then add a suspect who had been falsely convicted from a different case....that's just plain stupid. I have trouble believing someone could be that brazen or stupid
All killers are stupid. Even the respected Bundy and Kemper had their iq readings inflated by prosecutorial psychiatrists as a means of removing the insanity defense.
100% add to that that he lives on a property that owns a car crusher? Why wouldn't he crush the car? Why wouldn't he clean up around the fire.. Why would he make no attempt to cover his tracks and leave evidence all over his own property? ..he had no motive to kill her.they had an amicable professional relationship..he just got his freedom back after 18 years.none of the prosecutions theories make any sence at all.
The odds are that if he was innocent the first time he is innocent the second. Imagine the odds of being falsely convicted of such a murder but also being such a murderer yourself.
@@brandonanderson2066to top it all off Avery was in the middle of 36 million dollar lawsuit with mantiwoc county .. 36 million reasons to frame him for murder so they didn’t have to pay him..
One thing is for certain. Our justice systems are so corrupt, inept that getting a fair trial depends on the $$$ you got. If you get in this system, unless you're connected it's gonna eat you alive.
That's not true at all. Most people who go to court for a crime are guilty. Obviously, it's not perfect and there are definitely people who have been wrongly convicted, including Avery the first time. But for this crime, if you just step back and look, it's very obvious he did it. Why else would he change his story so many times? Why else would he say he didn't have a fire (distancing behavior) or leave out the part about being with Brendan (more distancing) and finally and most importantly, he said that Teressa never arrived (absolutely distancing himself from the crime)!!
@@moo-z137 Where did you study psychology ? So , because you think you can read Steven’s mind , you think he’s guilty. What can you tell people about the last generation of lies detector . .
There's a lot missed here. The blood in the back of the RAV4 was hers not his. It's not possible to get that blood swipe by the ignitition with a cut to the finger like he had. What should be addressed are all of the issues raised by his attorney Zellner in the second season of making a murderer. Furthermore none of those timelines matched up with what was presented at the trial. Im not saying that Avery is a decent person or that he is innocent of everything. What i do think is that some of the evidence presented doesnt pass the smell test. For example when they found her car they were supposedly reading the license plate off to the Sargeant over the police radio to identify it yet the license plates were found inside of another car on the property, not on the RAV4. And they couldnt have been reading off the VIN number for identification because the searchers were supposedly not on the avery property during the search because a search warrant hadnt been granted. At the very least a lot of the evidence in this case has been tainted by poor practices in foresics all the way to possible police planting evidence. In fact both the police planting evidence and Avery being guilty can be true at the same time. The problem is that our justice system is supposed to put more weight on one than the other. A fair trial is more important than guilt because our system is designed with the presumption of innocence and to prevent the innnocent from being wrongly convicted. What is it that Franklin said about our justice system "it is better that 100 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man should suffer".
Her body was burned in a fire pit 20 feet from Steven Avery’s trailer, that’s all anyone needs to know, if he didn’t do it he knows who did and the fact that he hasn’t said a word on to who it was, tells us CLEARLY it was he himself who did it. Zellner is regretting her decision ever day to take on this case that i can promise you, because I’m quite certain at this moment right now she is fully convinced he is GUILTY
The radio call with the license plates happened days before her car was found, he was calling dispatch to confirm he had the right plate number written down so he knew what to look for. The VIN and the license plate are not the same, and they didn't discuss the VIN anyway, so I have no idea why you would bring that up. The car was not found by the police, it was found by civilians, a mother and daughter team that volunteered for the search party and got permission from the property owner to walk through the yard to look. Avery got a fair trial, he was just super guilty.
@@johnnyboy7144there’s no way possible that fire was hot enough for it to burn completely down to the bones in an open fire pit. Secondly, the police going over and beyond to FRAME him leads me to believe they(or a few of them) know exactly what happened to this woman
@@TherealRobBase lmaoooooooooooooooooo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you just won first place 🥇 for the dumbest retort ever, the fire pit wasn’t hot enough to do that to her body burning all night long, 🤣😂🤣😂🤣… so she went missing on that day, we know this for a fact, how the fk did that happen to her body then? The police took her body to cremation place? Then returned the bones to Avery’s property? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@TherealRobBaseThat's blatantly false. I know the exact document you're basing that on. Dehaan's affidavit. Which is an opinion, my friend. And one paid for by the defense. If that logic holds true no matter what, Eisenberg's affidavit that came during the trial that the burn pit was the primary burn site is indisputable evidence. Doesn't work that way.
Having watched the documentary, the only things I i can say I'm confident about are: 1) Brendan Dassey's confession was very obviously fed to him bc the details he came up with in his own were all wrong. He also never should have been interviewed without an adult or lawyer present, given his intellect. 2) Teresa Halbach was killed on the Avery property but I'm not sure they'll ever be enough evidence to know which member(s) of the family actually did it. 3) The police and prosecutors in the area did a terrible job which makes it hard to say if there was outright corruption or just incompetence.
I think Steven Avery did it and there is plenty of evidence surrounding the matter that was left out of Making of a Murderer that points to the fact that he was practically stalking Halbach. The police knew he did it but didn’t have enough so I believe they did plant some evidence and clearly coerced a confession from Dassey.
@@irisharan3038 Yeah, one thing that I do remember from MAM is that the defense does say that the police manufactured evidence bc they genuinely believed Avery was guilty - not bc they thought they were framing an innocent man. I will admit I've never looked at the case past the documentary so I don't know the full breadth of evidence against Steven. I never really felt the need bc I think the documentary does present a good case that the investigation wasn't handled correctly & there are many areas that need to be looked into for corruption and/or incompetence. To me that fact is more big-picture than Teresa Halbach's case - if corruption occurred in the investigation into her murder, even if the right guy went to jail in the end, it still puts a stain on the justice she and her family received, which they don't deserve.
In my opinion, this is very similar to OJ's case. The police tried to frame the guy who did it. What I don't get is the current reaction: OJ is portrayed as a killer, and Avery is depicted as a victim of the police.
Halbach couldn't have been killed on the property when cell tower records indicate that she left if she left how did the car get back on the property,the 22 bullet found in the garage,a 22 doesn't have enough power to exit a skull,when Avery's attorney requested the bullet to have it DNA tested they said they lost it,they searched Avery's trailer 7 times but found the key in plain sight on the 7th time they didn't let the coroner do any DNA on the supposed skull they found in the fire pit,too much shady shit to convict Avery
This case was so mucked up by the police and prosecutors, nobody will ever know what happened unless/until the killer confesses with specific verifiable details about the crime and cleanup.
It actually wasn't. It was "mucked" up by a documentary crew purposely in the hope that the gullible would believe in Stevens innocence and they were correct
And the fact that Bobby isn't even being considered - despite the search history on his computer filled with hundreds of queues about how to drown a woman, decapitate a woman, strangle a woman - is appalling. This is about the state trying to prevent paying enormous restitution for Avery's initial false conviction.
@@fernando-loula one thing is for sure, the police didn't kill her. Why would they kill an innocent woman and then frame Avery, when they could've just killed Avery? It would never happen. What they were likely doing is watching and waiting for him to mess up and coming down on him full force.
The fact he was convicted of animal abuse by pouring oil on a cat and burning it until it died, is enough in my eyes to keep the sick monster in prison until he dies. Absolutely abhorrent
@@AshleyHill-li9foSo you and all those who liked your comment think the vast majority of the population - who do participate in the killing of animals in one way or another - should all be in prison for the rest of their lives?
Poor Steven Avery. He was always an angel - except for throwing that cat into a bonfire when he was a youngster and who amongst us hasn't tortured, mutilated and killed small animals? Well, there is the fact that whenever the murderer Avery had a car to sell in the paper Halbach worked for he always demanded her and then when she was forced to go he'd always answer the door in a towel or "was just in the shower" I'm in the nude - I know that's like Harvey Weinstein level rape creepery but let's not let that get in the way of us hating on the police. Oh, and except for hiding his number when trying to sexually harass Teresa Halbach, there really isn't that much evidence to prove he was a misogynistic rapist murderer. Well, okay, there is but we need something to help us hate on the police.
No one would be hating on the police in this case if they hadn’t have planted evidence & coerced witness testimony; the county should’ve recused itself from the investigation entirely. How many kids do you think grew up playing baseball with frogs… did they all go on to kill someone in cold blood? Stop being such a bootlicker.
Man, did you do your homework about this case and all involved? at 3:03 you showed Ken Kratz (States Attorney) but called and labeled him as the former Sheriff Thomas Kocoureck. Then the very next person you showed was part of Avery's defense team but you named him as the District Attorney Dennis Vogel. Wow.
He also said the bullet in the garage was not confirmed to be from Avery's rifle, except there were multiple bullets and, while it is true that one of the bullets was not conclusive, the one with her DNA on it was confirmed by ballistics to have been fired from Avery's rifle. And he said that the state experts said the open air fire would not cremate the remains but he leaves out that they explained that the tires helped it burn hotter, and also it did not fully cremate the remains, leaving large pieces which were distributed in the surrounding area to hide them, and that the DEFENSE expert testified on the stand that the way to determine primary and secondary cremation sites is to look at fragment sizes, as the smaller fragments are left at the main site and the large remainder is moved, essentially confirming Avery's yard as the site of the original cremation. Those are some pretty big facts to cut out if the goal is to remain objective.
😂 I’ve seen some other vids by this creator and it’s the same thing…just a bunch of rehashed clips and a short blurb at the end about “what really happened “
A lot of allegedly ... only the things he did, that was recorded with police should be stated here. Everything else is hearsay or alleged !!! The main thing is Brendan was coerced into making false confessions and have used up all his appeals which is totally disgusting. He was 16 and had a mind of a 10 year old!!! He has been used by law enforcement to get Avery.
He did it to give the police and his own lawyers what they wanted, to finally leave him alone, and that was the biggest mistake. But according to his drawing, it couldn't have happened the way it happened, because there are no signs that she was chained up. There is also no DNA of hers in the bedroom and the biggest thing is that Steven's sister admitted that Teresa left the property. Such evidence cannot simply be "cleaned" or removed. I am firmly convinced that she was killed somewhere else and the burned body was then scattered around the property. Because to completely burn a body, you need very high heat that lasts a long time, and that is not possible with a "campfire" that was supposedly 3m high according to Scott's statements. I am firmly convinced that Bobby and Scott had something to do with it, because for some reason Bobby and Scott were “hunting” around the time of the crime and the police gratefully accepted it in order to pin it on Steven. So they got rid of Steven and the state did not have to pay $36 million. And that is the reason why all of his appeals have been rejected. There is a lot of money at stake.
There's 0 physical evidence linking Bobby to the murder. Only anecdotal that wasn't even allowed into a courtroom because Sowinski's affidavit so blatantly differed from his emails he sent to the defense team in 2016. Lest we forget Penny Bernstein -- witness testimony is far from the best evidence. And as for Bobby, the guy has never had a criminal history and is living a quiet life with wife and kid(s). Poor guy will look out his window at torches and pitchforks for the rest of his life over a girl he most likely never even met.
SUPER shady. The best thing Steven could have done was leave once the civil suit was filed for false conviction. He should have gotten the heck out of their jurisdiction. I have a strong feeling that they either murdered her or paid her to disappear just to set up him. There's still no remains of hers found.
@anonymoose116 Her remains were in Avery's fire pit. The State Crime Lab tested them and found a DNA match within an error range of 1 in 1 billion. At that time in 2005, that meant only 7 people (planet population was around 7 billion) with that matching DNA profile could have been the victim in that fire pit. If that's still not enough, the FBI later did a test themselves and confirmed it to be her beyond any doubt.
@@BB-pg5kland they wouldn't submit them in the case... They just gave the bones back. They couldn't find a key for days then suddenly found it. They found her car IMMEDIATELY. They lied about how she was killed and how her body was transported. There was definitely some retaliatory issues.
Dude I'm damn well convinced it was the other brother the one that pointed out all the evidence and did all kinds of shady ass shit. Dunno how the cops missed out on all that (I.E. ignored) I've watched every piece of media I could find on this and that's the conclusion that I've arrived at. Bobby Dassey wasn't slow like his brother ,and knew his uncle was the perfect scapegoat. It's soooooo fucking insane that shit happened like this ,and terrifying as hell. It fucking makes me sick.
When this happened fall of 2005, Bobby was a very attractive young man. Maybe Bobby didn't rape and kill her, maybe they met up for a quick spontaneous outdoor hookup and something went wrong. Stranger things have happened! Then Bobby panics, finds help to destroy the body and/or the real evidence. Then in a day or so it becomes very convenient to set up Uncle Steven. It's a leap, but hey, ya never know. It's shitty to say this, but it's been proven that Theresa was a bit of a tramp. She was also sleeping with a married man at the time she disappeared.
@@johneckert1365 Maybe she wanted money from him after the sex or else she would cry Rape. That's the only motive I can think of, otherwise there would be no reason to kill her.
Avery very well may have done it. However, from what I've seen, the police and prosecuters did such a poor job during the entire investigation that there's almost certainly enough doubt to pass the "reasonable doubt" threshold and he probably should've been found not guilty had he had a decent lawyer. And the kid should have won his appeal and had it sent back for a retrial without the horribly botched interregation being allowed into evidence. Also, whether he did it or not, I don't think the police were involved in the crime or necessarily tried to frame him. However, I do think they believed he was guilty from the beginning and a cop or 2 or 3 likely "aided" the investigation by "steering" some of the evidence towards avery. If it wasn't steven avery, it was almost certainly someone else in the family, likely his brother in law and/or his brother in law's kid.
Bro, you're acting like Brandon Dassi. How could you be dumb enough to claim the police didn't do anything shady and at the same time claim they directed evidence at him. That's just as dumb as Brandon. It doesn't matter who killed this chick. The only thing that does matter is the police botched and coerced a kid. With that alone, he walks.
@@brentmichael4770ow can you be dumb enough to think Avery isn't guilty? It's embarrassing. The police weren't involved in anything, it's been disproven so many times
@@brentmichael4770 first, it very much matters "who killed this chick." and I didn't say they didn't do anything shady, I just they didn't kill her like a lot of people think. I did say they botched the investigation, and likely mishandled evidence and may have planted some to prove Avery's guilt. And I'm as dumb as dassey? Your reading comprehension is on a 2nd grade level
@@brentmichael4770 Obviously he doesn't walk because he's in prison. But he could have been out by now if he would have testified but his Grandpa told him to stick to his guns.
MaM was more bias in his and Brendons direction. But these type of shows are usually more bias in the OTHER direction, while nothing is said about that. In the end, the whole deal about this is boiled down to a corrupt/inept police force pursuing the outcome of "justice" that they want, rather than where the evidence points. Steven... is not a great guy by any means. But in this instance, the evidence pointed towards him being not guilty. Period. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. But the evidence is not 100% against him. While Brendon... he was clearly coerced. At the VERY least, if he was involved, his involvement was minimal. and not worth his sentence. More so considering his mental status. At the worst, Steven manipulated him into disposing of a body and I guess trying to be his alibi or something.
The police who were being sued by him planted and bungled the case so its hard to be clear, if he killed her in his bedroom the lack of physical and blood evidence is pretty damming to that theory
I suppose if you do not have any real evidence he murdered TH, then you have to resort to character assignation which is what this film is all about Lets talk about Kuss RD and the 36 million dollar civil lawsuit SA had on LE and the fact that the prosecutor and Sheriff in the rape case were about to be deposed when Avery was arrested. Sure SA left the car there with his blood in it, but wiped off his finger prints. Both cases were a sham and this will come out eventually .
There's even more evidence against Avery than there is in the Scott Peterson and Barry Morphew investigations, just to name a few. The biggest evidence against Avery is: The RAV found on his property with both his and Teresa's blood in multiple places within. Her remains found in his burn pit and burn barrels, along with her electronic devices. Bullets found in his garage, one of which had Teresa's DNA on it and was ballistically matched to the. 22 caliber rifle that hung above his bed. A luminol reactant spot in the garage near the mower Dassey claimed her body was by. The key to Teresa's vehicle which was discovered in his trailer (not after 7 searches but 7 entries - a very common misconception). 1st entry was a body check only and before they found the RAV, 2nd was for a PC serial number and the auto trader book, 3rd was for the rifle, etc etc until the 7th entry which was for a thorough search of the bedroom. Then there's the circumstantial evidence against him: The *67 calls to her phone before arrival + non *67 call after. Him taking off work that day and not returning which even according to him he never did. His property being the last stop she made that day on her photo shoots, as well as being her last known location and him being the last known person to see her. And the anecdotal evidence against him: Bobby testifying he saw her with him the day of the crime. Robert Fabian testifying he saw Avery burning things in the barrel they later found her electronics. The auto trader woman who says Teresa mentioned the creepy behavior of Avery to.
I don't know why they keep the guys incarcerated since Steven already used the only money he could get out of Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department which he had to use for his defense in this stupid case he ALSO didn't have any part in.🤔 But then, you have to wonder if he was able to again prove all the corruption we already know took place to even create the stupid case how much money would they be in for to him this time lol😂 #FreeStevenAvery #FreeBrendanDassey
@@g0i2023Avery didn't receive any money from the Sheriff's Department. He was only suing Kocourek, Vogel, and Manitowoc County. That's it. As to why they're keeping him in jail: There's even more evidence against Avery than there is in the Scott Peterson and Barry Morphew investigations, just to name a few. The biggest evidence against Avery is: The RAV found on his property with both his and Teresa's blood in multiple places within. Her remains found in his burn pit and burn barrels, along with her electronic devices. Bullets found in his garage, one of which had Teresa's DNA on it and was ballistically matched to the. 22 caliber rifle that hung above his bed. Avery's sweat and skin cell mixture DNA on the hood latch of the RAV. A luminol reactant spot in the garage near the mower Dassey claimed her body was by. The key to Teresa's vehicle which was discovered in his trailer (not after 7 searches but 7 entries - a very common misconception). 1st entry was a body check only and before they found the RAV, 2nd was for a PC serial number and the auto trader book, 3rd was for the rifle, etc etc until the 7th entry which was for a thorough search of the bedroom. Then there's the circumstantial evidence against him: The *67 calls to her phone before arrival + non *67 call after. Him taking off work that day and not returning which even according to him he never did. His property being the last stop she made that day on her photo shoots, as well as being her last known location and him being the last known person to see her. And the anecdotal evidence against him: Bobby testifying he saw her with him the day of the crime. Robert Fabian testifying he saw Avery burning things in the barrel they later found her electronics. The auto trader woman who says Teresa mentioned the creepy behavior of Avery to.
You even have misinformation over here. There's tons of evidence against Avery. Just see my above post. As for the fingerprints, would you care to guess how many of Teresa's were found in the RAV? It was her own vehicle she used for work almost every day. Had to be a lot, right? Try 6. 6 total fingerprints and many of them weren't even on the RAV itself, but instead on water bottles and a CD case. Cars are notoriously bad for maintaining fingerprints. It's no surprise Avery's weren't found, plus there's just the option he was wearing gloves.
We need to make a Federal Law that all American citizens under the age of 25 cannot be questioned or held in custody without an independently sourced attorney both present & consulted first. If defendant cannot afford an attorney - the state will be compelled to pay for one selected exclusively by defendant - NOT the state. A law like this would serve as a good check on abusive LE and protecting the Constitutional rights of younger people
Yet you want to give 12-year-olds the capacity to sterilize themselves for the rest of their lives? Make it make sense? If you're old enough to do the crime, you should be old enough to do the time.
You can’t trust the Netflix show to include everything even the things that make him look guilty, you shouldn’t base your opinion on only the show. The fact he was being creepy towards her and she showed up dead at his place is really enough, he more likely than not killed her. The dude is a creep, he threw a live cat on a fire, it’s certainly a clever propaganda piece to make anyone feel sympathy for that monster.
All these true crime shows require more research. They are only interested in getting ratings. They shade stuff, leave out evidence, and create drama/controversy to sell the show.
The 2 kids that found her literally said “when we find her” , then the other cut him off and said “if we find her……”. Then they magically found her a few hours later. They knew
The kids that found her? What are you even talking about? She wasn't found by kids, her cremated remains were found by a forensics team executing a search warrant, and the largest pieces of her found at that time were smaller than a postage stamp. You think kids found her intact body? Then you know nothing about this case.
Very clearly the optimist vs pessimist views of the search party. Do you also believe John Ramsey killed his daughter solely because he immediately said in a press conference he would "Spend the rest of his life hunting the killer"? That alone is not evidence.
Always listen to your gut instincts and don’t let anyone talk you into ignoring them. Teresa never wanted to go back to the Avery’s. She was creeped out by and afraid of Steven. (He greeted her once wearing only a towel.) Avery specifically requested Teresa come to do the photo shoot on October 31, 2005. She did not want to go, but Auto Trader talked her into going. Avery is a monster and is exactly where he belongs.
I wonder if he thought the world owed him a rape (& he had to murder her to cover it up) because he was falsely convicted of the first crime. I also wonder if he thought the police would have to let him get away with it because of his first false conviction & years in jail. I do think the false conviction that initially sent him to jail was a mistake in good faith because of his own criminal & bad behavior. I think it’s evil what the cops & prosecutors did to Avery’s mentally-handicapped nephew; I don’t know how they sleep at night.
@@southbug27 I truly believe he made a pass at her that was obviously rejected, he then probably snapped and grabbed her or something, and that’s probably when she said something to the effect of “ wait till I tell on you” with his lawsuit hanging in the balance and his newfound reputation of the good guy that was wrongly convicted, this is when he made the decision that she was never leaving his property alive to tell anyone anything… I FULLY BELIEVE this is what happened.
He also used a fake name and his sister's phone to call her and set up the appointment. He wasn't upfront with her about where she was meeting him ahead of time either (there is a message of her asking for directions and stating she didn't know where she was going.)
Steven has a history of being abusive to women. He treated his wife and girlfriend like trash. He threatened to kill his first wife and told his kids about it. He coerced his teenage brother to film himself having sex with his wife, and then hit on his brother's wife. His teenage niece accused him of rope. I believe that he might have wanted to have sex with Theresa and tried to force himself on her. He never explained why he called her cellphone several times after she was killed and tried to conceal his number when he called her two times before. Also, it's too coincidental that he would have started a bonfire on his property the same day she went missing. Steven is a bad man who is obsessed with a perverted sex life. I don't have a problem believing that he's guilty.
@@Gitn2it he’s 10000% GUILTY, That Netflix doc was terrible and I feel for Teresa’s family because they are the ones who got REVICTIMIZED By it, with so many people coming out saying he was innocent and wanting him out of prison when he savagely murdered Teresa and took her away from her friends and family , the whole thing is terrible
By actually paying attention to the facts? Like yeah he probably killed her but it was handled by a bunch of shady cops at best and crooked scumbags at worst. From cops who were explicitly told not to be a part of the investigation for this exact reason but still “found” some of the most incriminating evidence when they have the highest level of conflicted interest, to interrogating a handicapped minor with no lawyer or guardian present which violates every corner of the fourth amendment, this was handled like absolute shit. So I wouldn’t say this is open and shut at all exclusively because the investigation was fumbled so laughably.
Very good point. Making a Murder did a lot of unfair editing BS -- I don't know how else to say it because, you're right. Why else would Avery change his story so many times? Besides the obvious ones, there's a lot more inconsistencies and lies than I initially thought.
@@grimster41 Did you just watch Making a Murder or something? Because that's about right according to them. But it's not right, it's just a narrative ... u know, the protagonist / hero (Avery) and the monster (Kratz)? That's not real though. They were just doing their jobs. But at least you realize he probably killed her. Now, you just have to get through the rest of the crap. I had to too. I think it probably doesn't matter what I say because that show really is powerful but it's also very manipulative ... Colborn seeing the plates and stuff ... that's complete horse poo ---- And they are the ones who decided it would be best for them not to be there without an officer present. But you have to figure, it was their county and it was their decision to make. Saying they weren't suppose to be there is again, part of the narrative. Making a Murdering flipped that part around without us knowing it. ------- just like you'd do with a card trick -- it's exactly like that. All they would have needed to do was put her vehicle anywhere where it could be found (not cover it up and remove the plates) .......... that's all .... since it had Avery's blood in it --- because once you test that blood, it would come back right away as Avery's and tah-dah --- But how could they possibly know it was his blood? Because they planted it? But remember how hard the defense fought to not have the blood tested for EDTA? Because they knew exactly what would be found .... it would be found that they didn't get the blood from the vial .... so that means they had to get it from Avery's bathroom .... and then they would have had to get it to her vehicle very quickly ... but where was her vehicle? On the property? They just pulled it up on a trailer while Avery was at Menards? Or was it in town and they pushed it to the property from miles away ... or did they drive it? ---- That kid is not handicapped -- that is part of the narrative. Would it change the story if you knew that Brendan knew ahead of time that this was going to take place? For example, if Avery talked to him that morning and told him to come over after school? Then would he have had the chance to save her life ... like all day?? But chose to knock instead?? It's something to consider because I already know the answer to this. The victims of this story are actually the monsters no matter how you stretch it.
I generally agree with Candace Owens but if you side with LE on this case AFTER watching the Brendan Dassey interrogation video, then you are a cold hearted individual
@@jeromedawson1753I think you mean punctuation, genius. Considering they didn't spell a single word incorrectly. Btw, we use periods at the end of sentences.
The fact anyone thinks he didn't rape and kill Teresa shows how easy it is to fool people and that is what making a murderer did. When you know the case in depth then it's obvious, very very obvious he done it. Just do a bit of research. Educate yourself on the lay out and the facts. For it not to be Avery would need the most unlikely impossible chain of events every in history
Honestly, Steven COULD have done it, but he'd have to be the best crime scene cleaner since Dexter, and that place was NOT clean whatsoever. Even if he did, and covered it up as well as he did, then left her car on his property, that investigation did way more than necessary to provide reasonable doubt. That's what it's supposed to be about. It in NO WAY glosses over the piece of shit Avery could be, he did kill a cat after all. He was also jailed wrongfully and was no doubt scarred from that prior experience. Jail isn't for the weak. Making a Murderer in no way made him a hero, just a bumpkin hick who was wrongfully accused. The county definitely had motive if it was an investigation into the murder or Avery, to show a parallel
Don’t forget if he was such an “expert cleaner” why wouldn’t he of crushed the rav4 … when he was seen using the car crusher a day before the rav4 was found.. how does hiliges get her daily planner when it was proven she had it on her the day she went missing.. only reason that was proven was cause she got a call for an appointment and told the caller “I got to pull over and jot this down” and that appointment wasn’t in her digital daily planner that she had on her computer..
Her body was burned in a fire pit 10 feet away from where Steven Avery sleeps at night, this fact alone tells you all you need to know about his guilt, you don’t need videos or documentaries, just use a little common sense
Idk about this Avery had big reason to not get in any legal trouble-life changing settlement on the way, freedom after losing 18yrs of his life…. I just cannot wrap my head around that particular department being involved with the investigation/searches… This really took his mother and father down which broke my heart Business effected in a big way that the old man started from NOTHING
Steven is a sexual deviant. I don't know how you can overlook the rope of his underage niece, the fact that he coerced his teenage brother into filming having sex with his wife, and then hitting on his brother's wife. He also called Teresa twice while trying to conceal his number, and then called her phone twice after she was killed, on the pretext that he wanted her to come back and take a picture of a dirty piece of machinery that belonged to his sister. I definitely don't buy that.
@@Brunobeaudy Well, he told his niece that if she said anything, he'd kill her parents ... same thing he said to Jodi and many others. He could kill them and get away with it. He raped his babysitter back when he was still married, attempted a kidnapping, gave his daughter hickies, knocked his son's teeth out, drug his dog home all bloody holding the leash out the window of his pickup, grabbed Kayla's boobs (age 14), grabbed other young girl boobs (age 13, 14) ----> feel free to defend him.
I thought he was innocent until I started looking at court documents, interviews etc. they show a whole different side than what the making a murderer showed. The creators themselves said that evidence was left out of their documentary. You see the other interviews Brendan did and everything he said lined up with the physical evidence, even the timeline he said lined up.
Too many things dont add up. There should've been blood and marks all over that bed and garage yet nothing looked disturbed. One thing i know for sure is that it didnt happen they way its portrayed. Brendan was railroaded at the very least and this has to be one of the biggest miscarriage of justice ive ever heard of. Stewart james convinced me that blood was planted and the key was ridiculous as far as evidence based on the number of searches and by the men who were their shouldnt have been. Colburn and link will pay in this life or the next.
Joji Obara murdered and dismembered Lucie Blackman with a chainsaw in his condo and yet no DNA evidence was ever found and brought to trial. The Dupont family murders most likely occurred within the home in each of their beds and yet no DNA evidence was ever found despite their bodies being buried right out back. Point is, it does happen.
They can't "decide" where he killed her...he can clean a room and garage so we'll there's zero evidence...but leaves charred bones in the backyard? That have been decisively moved? If I was Avery, that fire would've been burning until the day they arrested me...what they expect us to believe is crazy....
Poor kid. He was screwed over by disgusting, scum detectives. If there is a hell, I hope they burn. My son is in special education and I could absolutely see hm getting railroaded. Makes me sick. Avery may be guilty, but I don't think the kid did anything.
That was also how they got the west Memphis 3. They main guy they brought in was developmentally impaired and was coerced into saying that he and the other two committed the crimes. The other two were only guilty of not helping their case by being sassy teenagers like we all once were. It’s insane how much this kind of thing happens.
If Avery didn't kill her then who did? How did her car end up on his property? How did her remains end up in his fire pit? Someone not only had to kill her but then plant all that evidence? Avery clearly did it b/c there is no reasonable alternative. Oddities and ironies are not reasonable doubt. Cops may have planted extra evidence like the key fob to strengthen their case but getting caught by bad cops doesn't make him less guilty.
Steven Avery sued Manitowoc County, its former sheriff, and its former district attorney after he was wrongfully convicted of sexual assault and attempted murder in 1985. Avery served 18 years in prison before being exonerated in 2003 based on DNA evidence. The lawsuit sought compensation for the wrongful conviction, alleging that law enforcement officials had failed to turn over exculpatory evidence and had mishandled the investigation. In 2005, before the lawsuit was settled, Avery was arrested again, this time for the murder of Teresa Halbach. The lawsuit was eventually settled for $400,000, which Avery used to help pay for his legal defense in the murder trial. The circumstances of his second arrest and trial became the focus of the Netflix documentary series "Making a Murderer."
The absolute worst part of all of this is Brenden didn't have anything at all to do with any of this. And, Steven was convicted based on the "confession" Brenden didn't even really give, therefore, both are completely innocent. Bobby Dassey did this, police and prosecutors and judges know and they let that sicko testify against his uncle and own mentally challenged little brother because that's the way it is. They were not about to let Steven live his life after they already set him up for something he didn't do and again, everyone knew he didn't r@pe that lady. This case is disgusting! They both should be free and Sicko Bobby should be in prison!
@@andrewthornton6192 I've watched the "interrogation" and so called "confession" and there's no evidence that supports anything Brenden said or agreed to.
@babygirl1755 Teresa's vehicle found on his property with his blood and sweat DNA inside. Burned remains containing a piece of nearly every bone in Teresa's body found in his fire pit on his property. Teresa's electronics found in his burn barrel on his property. Key for the vehicle with his touch DNA on it found in his trailer. Multiple bullets, one of which had her DNA on it, and was ballistically matched to the. 22 caliber rifle he owned and was hanging above his bed. Luminol reactant spot in his garage near the lawn mower, which Brendan described in his May 2006 drawing. And that's just the physical evidence. I can give you the circumstantial as well if you'd like. I'd also like to mention that pointing the finger at Bobby is exactly what people who defend Avery are supposed to be against. There's zero physical evidence against Bobby Dassey, only anecdotal that has popped up years later after the fact, and yet people want to put the blame on him instead. Everything I can find shows the guy is living a quiet life with wife and kid(s), never had a criminal history, and probably doesn't even want to be associated with the name Avery.
I don't really have a strong opinion on Steven Avery's guilt. I do believe there was enough reasonable doubt to support a verdict of not guilty due to the police's mismanagement of the case due to their hard on for Avery. However, Brendan Dassey is completely innocent and his conviction is a travesty. I don't even believe he saw the body being burned, but even if he had, who would blame a 16 yr old kid of being scared to talk? The fact that they didn't even use Brendan's confession against Avery speaks volumes to their confidence in it. That poor kid has been wrongfully imprisoned for 16 years and despite his conviction being vacated twice, the state still kept pushing because without that confession, they have no case. Free Brendan now
The judge in the case actually made a very good ascertation about what "reasonable doubt" is before the trial got underway and made these comments to the jury: "A reasonable doubt is not a doubt which is based on mere guesswork or speculation." (Page 35 of the trial transcripts). Keeping this in mind and focusing on the framing defense his attorneys used, it actually makes sense to me that they found him guilty. There's never been any proof of framing to ever surface, only speculation of it. I'd also call into question other cases. If you think Barry Morphew (very recently) is guilty or Scott Peterson is guilty (2000's), there's a heck of a lot more evidence in the Avery case than either of those. One has already been found guilty, and the other is most likely going to face his day in court at some point.
@@RavensFanJ I don't really have strong feelings about Steven. His case gets too much attention Brendan meanwhile gets a tenth of the attention when he's the one who was wrongfully convicted
@steamyrv Brendan's a tough one, for sure. There's plenty of points in his confession, though, that he mentions things that correlate with the case or evidence involved in the case, leading me to believe he played some part in the crime. How big a part is still up for debate. I'd recommend watching the whole thing. Just a quick example would be after the "ah ha" moment when they ask him "Who shot her in the head?". Everyone knows he tells the investigators Steven did it. But making a murderer cuts off the tape after that. A few seconds later, completely unprovoked or unaided he says "He shot her with the .22". A detail they never mention.
@@RavensFanJ Brendan's confession was coerced. There was no evidence against him. The head shooting thing he gets it wrong multiple times. First he said cut her hair, detectives tell him no, it takes several guesses before he says shot in the head. Brendan's original public defender was removed from the caseby the Judge for not showing up to hearing. The attorney allowed police to interview Brendan alone. He had to be replaced before trial began but the damage was already done. The police had their confession and despite the fact that he was convicted, the prosecutor in the Avery case didn't enter the confession into evidence. Brendan's conviction was overturned by 2 federal courts where 3 seperate judges found that the confession was coerced and inadmissible. Despite than the state appealed the rulings instead of going forward with a new trial because without the confession they had no evidence. A 7 judge panel on the Court of appeals (which is one lead below the supreme Court) voted 4-3 to reinstate the conviction because Brendan didn't ask for a lawyer. SCOTUS refused to hear the case. Brendan confessed to sexual assault and said Teresa was killed in Steven Avery's bedroom. However no DNA evidence was found that she was ever in that room, hence why the assault and false imprisonement charges had to be dropped. The only reason Brendan is in jail is because he was a 16 year old mentally challenged kid who was interrogated for over 4 hours by 2 detectives without either a parent or an attorney present. He is innocent.
@@steamyrv It's not illegal to question a minor in the state of Wisconsin without a parent or guardian in relation to a murder investigation, just saying. There's also plenty of things he did not seem to know in the interrogation, yes. But I asked you specifically about the things he did know that only someone who was there could have. The .22 caliber rifle as the murder weapon, where Teresa lay in the garage by the mower and luminol reacted to the stain, how he knew about what items were covering the RAV without being told - and then explaining how they were placed there. And these are just a few. Some of these details you can't know without at minimum someone telling you.
He was a deviant who was SAing his nephew and killed Theresa. Period. You cannot listen to the unedited content and evidence and come up with any other conclusion. People are gullible to a fault. Think critically.
Candice Owen's RUclips channe is alwaysl spreading hate about people in the entertainment industry. So she would be a great person to help this, with her tendency to use the term allegedly. She knows nothing that is a fact. She just runs on rumors.
Avery is completely guilty. How do you find a victims car and burned body on someones property, who that person specifically requested for her to come, and he was the last person to see her (which he initially denied seeing her at all), and not believe he is guilty? I do feel bad for Dassey though. I do not think he knowingly took part in the burning of her body and only noticed halfway through there was a body in there. He was also very scared of Avery after being physically and sexually abused by him and threatened. Also, Teresa car was hidden in the back of the property and only one covered with wood and branches in a terrible attempt to conceal it. Avery is also very dumb so he probably thought this would work.
It's not totally implausible but I just can't leave this case alone... I just don't think he done this... The nephew that's still free if you ever have the chance to see him in person you can't deny the evil vibes that flow off him. The elected officials from this county are twisted and out to cover their own arss..
@@leahannhughes8673 He did it. I do think there were some incompetent individuals on the prosecution/county side but they live in a small town rural America. This isnt CSI New York. When looking at the evidence without bias, there is FAR MORE showing he did it than any showing he didnt do it.
He could indeed be guilty but there is evidence of planting DNA, and his trial was probably unfair. Dassey is definitely innocent. Dassey is the one I really want to see released.
@@Mott2what you're saying is just not true, he never denied seeing her. Come with the correct facts, or see yourself out of the discussion. There is a car crusher on the property, that Avery knew how to run it, doesn't stand to reason that he would just park the car on the salvage lot and hope no one would come to check. Use your brain! The evidence doesn't add up to Avery being guilty. Period.
The fact that Brendan is in jail when there is no evidence to support any of the details he ‘confessed’ to. Regardless of whether or not Steven had something to do with TH’s death. It’s pretty clear Brendan did not. IMO Steven deserves a new trial due to the massive conflict of interest having that took place during the investigation.
There's even more evidence against Avery than there is in the Scott Peterson and Barry Morphew investigations, just to name a few. The biggest evidence against Avery is: The RAV found on his property with both his and Teresa's blood in multiple places within. Her remains found in his burn pit and burn barrels, along with her electronic devices. Bullets found in his garage, one of which had Teresa's DNA on it and was ballistically matched to the. 22 caliber rifle that hung above his bed. A luminol reactant spot in the garage near the mower Dassey claimed her body was by. The key to Teresa's vehicle which was discovered in his trailer (not after 7 searches but 7 entries - a very common misconception). 1st entry was a body check only and before they found the RAV, 2nd was for a PC serial number and the auto trader book, 3rd was for the rifle, etc etc until the 7th entry which was for a thorough search of the bedroom. Then there's the circumstantial evidence against him: The *67 calls to her phone before arrival + non *67 call after. Him taking off work that day and not returning which even according to him he never did. His property being the last stop she made that day on her photo shoots, as well as being her last known location and him being the last known person to see her. And the anecdotal evidence against him: Bobby testifying he saw her with him the day of the crime. Robert Fabian testifying he saw Avery burning things in the barrel they later found her electronics. The auto trader woman who says Teresa mentioned the creepy behavior of Avery to.
I think the only physical evidence was that there were bleach stains on the trousers he was wearing when they scrubbed the garage. There were also several aspects of his testimony that he gave that were later corroborated.
So her remains were found on his property. He was the last to see her alive. Made calls to her cell phone the day and time of her disappearance. Confronted her in just a towel on a previous visit. Has a history of violence and rape towards women. He sure sounds innocent to me. NOT! Put me on the jury. I’d have convicted him in a heart beat and slept like a baby regardless of allegedly questionable police work.
I think the police department was incompetent but I also thinking some questions really need to be asked about whether Avery is really as innocent as they say. He does hv a history of violence against women.
Forensic anthropologists have stated that there is no way that the heat generated from a fire pit could burn bones that quickly or that much. So this raises serious questions.
Those are analysts for the defense. Eisenberg was the original Forensic Anthropologist working the case and testified that the burn pit was most likely the primary burn location as the bones showed no sign of breakage. There was also a piece of nearly every bone in Teresa's body found in the pit.
@@RavensFanJ This is the same person who identified a fetus in a burn pit in the Rudy murder case in the next county. Oops they found the body in the river with the fetus in tack. They knew who to bring in and who ( Deb K ) to keep out . Where did you get that the found a piece of every bone.. ?
@golfinspired2058 Hey man, mistakes do happen. Even for expert analysts. I'd have to read more about that Rudy case to comment more there, though. Debra Kakatsch was kept off the scene because Avery was suing Manitowoc County, and she was the Manitowoc County coroner. There wasn't a conspiracy there, they did that to help with concerns of conflict of interest. Before someone comments about the officers in the case, Avery was not suing Manitowoc Sheriff's Office. Calumet County took the lead but asked not only Manitowoc County but Kiel and Marinette County for assistance as well. Eisenberg's trial testimony has comments about a piece of almost every bone from Teresa's body south of the neck being found in Avery's burn pit.
I've been over this case dozens of times in the past years and it still has me puzzled today. All I can see in this whole thing is that a very puzzled young man got himself into something whether he did or didn't do it ,he cannot get out of.
did you watch the part in this video where they recount his prior convictions? how exactly do you feel that him being guilty is a stretch of the imagination given the circumstances?
No Brenden could have saved Teresa Halbach’s life yet he didn’t step up to his uncle or get out of the situation and went and told an adult. Nah instead he helped his uncle because he was scared of him.
If Candice Owens thinks he's guilty, that is 100% good enough for me.... ...to KNOW he's innocent! The cops couldn't have been more corrupt. And I will NEVER understand how Brandon's attorney didn't get disbarred over him doing all he could to be sure his client went to prison.
Most people forget that the documentary was made IN REAL TIME! Not years later, but as it is happening. You hear cops asking if Avery has been arrested yet before a body is even found. You hear cops laugh when reading the letter asking Steve to be a guest at a dinner, saying he won't be there. Once again, before a body was even found. The SAME COP FOUND ALL THE EVIDENCE, WHO WAS BEING SUED BY AVERY!!!
They ask if he's in custody yet. This was following the discovery of the RAV on the property. If you think not taking a person into custody for questioning and interrogation after a dead person's vehicle is discovered on their property is weird, you need to watch more true crime.
While some cops are serial killers capable of murdering an innocent woman to frame a political enemy and threat like Avery, it isn’t likely. It would be less complicated to do a hit on Avery and stage it look like a bad drug deal or personal vendetta. No one to collect on law suit, mystery person to blame, victim not likely to get as much attention as an innocent photographer, and your department is tasked with investigating without any need to call in other departments. If they had known about the idiot cousin, they could have still pinned it on him an a fight that got out of hand. Kill a degenerate, blame a degenerate all within the same family. Far nearer and cleaner than involving an innocent person and their family needing justice.
It’s the timing. How are the cops going to learn that Avery requested Halbach for services and intercept her to kill her and frame Avery. If a worker doesn’t show up, don’t you call the agency? The theory of Avery’s guilt makes much more sense with higher probability.
@@Christopherianmatt No one's saying the cops killed Halbach. In fact that's part of the problem with the prosecution (again not trying to say Avery's innocent) just saying there were other potential killers around (like Brendan's brother for instance). But no one thinks the cops actually killed her. In Making, they allege that the police rushed thru on their first theory that Avery did it and then browbeat Dassey into backing it up along with planting actual evidence in convenient locations. Really it's a comedy of scumbags...everyone involved in this seemed dirty to some degree. Maybe Dassey was part of the killing...but we'll never truly know because of the flawed interviews.
Agreed that they are all scumbags but who is the biggest scumbag? In a small town like that usually the people who looks for power so cops, prosecutors etc.
@@Duzykutas You've obviously never been to that town and probably not a similar small town. The city and county officials in small towns are usually far less corrupt than those in large cities and they are far from the biggest scumbags in those towns
Her body was burned in a fire pit 10 feet away from where Steven Avery sleeps at night, this fact alone tells you all you need to know about his guilt, you don’t need videos or documentaries, just use a little common sense
"it's all bout the money" remember the 36 Millions?? how convenient it was for them not to pay S.Avery after convicting him for the murder of this poor woman so fast !
I truly believe he made a pass at her that was obviously rejected, he then probably snapped and grabbed her or something, and that’s probably when she said something to the effect of “ wait till I tell on you” with his lawsuit hanging in the balance and his newfound reputation of “the good guy that was wrongly convicted” this is when he made the decision that she was never leaving his property alive to tell anyone anything… I FULLY BELIEVE this is the closest scenario to what happened that day.
@@justinpruitt9285the evidence says she was on his property that day and was killed there then burned in Avery’s fire pit, so yeah my scenario could have easily happened
@@__foam oddly enough there was better evidence against Avery in the first case, being as there was an eyewitness and all.... how'd that work out? I personally have no idea either way, but this case doesn't pass the smell test.
The prosecution gave an entire story line which was more than ridiculous then he was charged with sexting! I can’t believe this could happen in America
I agree completely that Making a Murderer was biased. But I don't expect the truth to come out of any project that involves Candace Owens, so I'll pass on the new show.
mentally challenged underage person interrogated multiple times alone without rep or parents is all you need to see to know the law enforcement officials were wrong and illegal. They should have been charged as well
I don’t know if Avery is guilty, but I do know there wasn’t enough trusted evidence to convict him. Brendan should never have been incarcerated. The fact is that the cops bungled this case so badly, I’ll never, ever believe anything that entire county says. It’s terrible that Theresa’s family might never see true justice. From what I understand, they feel like the right people are paying, but I don’t know how you could see all the mistakes that were made and feel comfortable about any of it. This is such a polarizing case. Either you think he’s completely innocent or totally guilty. I think the cops muddied the waters and they’ll never settle.
The judge in the case actually made a very good ascertation about what "reasonable doubt" is before the trial got underway and made these comments to the jury: "A reasonable doubt is not a doubt which is based on mere guesswork or speculation." (Page 35 of the trial transcripts). Keeping this in mind and focusing on the framing defense his attorneys used, it actually makes sense to me that they found him guilty. There's never been any proof of framing to ever surface, only speculation of it. I'd also call into question other cases. If you think Barry Morphew (very recently) is guilty or Scott Peterson is guilty (2000's), there's a heck of a lot more evidence in the Avery case than either of those. One has already been found guilty, and the other is most likely going to face his day in court at some point.
@@RavensFanJ my biggest question is around the forensic evidence. If he stabbed, raped, and dismembered her, why didn’t they find any DNA? These folks don’t strike me as criminal masterminds. They all have below average IQ’s. The most skilled criminals leave evidence behind. I know they found the bone fragments in the burn barrel and blood droplets in her car, but is it possible for the burn barrel to get hot enough to burn her to fragments? His exerts said no, but that’s what they’re paid to say. Did they ever find any anywhere else? I’m starting to be swayed more to the guilty side. I just have questions. Scott and Barry were the husbands also. It’s almost always the person closest to the victim. I think that’s why it’s easier to believe their guilt. Scott had mostly circumstantial evidence, but it was so much, it couldn’t be a coincidence. Barry just seems like a slime ball to me, but there definitely isn’t enough to convict him yet. Maybe we’ll see something change now that they’ve found her body. I’m going to watch Convicting a Murderer.
@bronwyngavin6076 Sorry, I just saw your reply now! RUclips is bad about notifications sometimes. There's plenty of true crime cases that show just how fickle DNA can be. Example: Joji Obara murdered and dismembered Lucie Blackman in his condo with a chainsaw, and yet no DNA evidence was ever found to bring to trial. Same thing for the Dupont family murders, except it was being shot in each of their beds with a .22 caliber rifle. As for the bone fragments, they did find them in other places around the property and nearby quarries. This strongly suggests that Avery's fire pit was the primary burn site as there would be no need to burn who elsewhere, and then scatter them in other places besides his pit if someone was trying to frame him. It's much more likely he was scattering them around trying to disperse them evenly so they wouldn't be found. This is also corroborated by Brendan's confession. I'm happy to answer any other questions you have if RUclips actually notifies me this time lol
The crime scene doesn’t seem to make any sense. If Avery is the killer, I definitely don’t think it happened anything like the theory the prosecution gave
I haven't seen the video yet, but all i know is it was definitely Brendan's older brother. I knew in the foest series but then the second confirmed it with what they found on his computer
Lol So what your saying is Steven Avery is rotting in jail all these years to protect Brendan’s older brother?????? 😂😂😂 you do realize Teresa’s body was Burned in a fire pit 10 feet from where Steven Avery sleeps, so if it wasn’t him who did the crime he knows who did, so he’s willing to rot in jail all this time and never once pointed the finger at Brendan’s brother? Lmao the fact that he hasn’t said anything only proves Stevens GUILT that much more that it was he himself who did the murder, this isn’t rocket science, just use a little common sense.
You obviously didn't bother to look them up yourself. If you did, you'd find the context of those searches was blown out of proportion by the media and jumped on by the defense. Not only is it false that Bobby was verified to have made them, but the searches labeled "violent" and "disturbing" were for the search terms "girl guts" and "seeing bones hot girls". By themselves that may sound kind of strange. But when you look at the searches also made at those times you find "pregnant horny" and "skinny hot girls". These weren't searches made by someone looking for a murder fetish. They were made by a horny (most likely teenager) who wanted to see girls with big guts/pregnant and girls so skinny you can see their bones. Do a little digging next time.
i’ve always understood steven avery to be guilty- so was pleased to see this new doc coming. but candace owens? really? she has about as much credibility as charles manson
@@localguy5402 I am far from a liberal, but the person is right. She has no credibility with this. People trained on this case is where credibility lies, like law enforcement, lawyers, etc.
@@jerwur39l94That's baffling, how can someone evaluate that woman's credibility for a voice acting job, really, by comparing her to Charles Manson? I guess when you feel so morally superior to people you hate and are used to everyone in your bubble agreeing with your judgement, you end up exposing yourself as someone accostumed to talk plainly stupid and lacking a sense of self awareness.
Steven during this time was molesting his niece and his nephew spoke with too much detail to just pull out of his head even if he was coursed. Its more plausible that he did this than the whole police department conspiring against this guy. If you can rape your own family member you can certainly go even further. Guilty as hell in my book.
Steven phoned her work ..he had her personal number ..why would he phone her work to lure her out ..teresa was the only photographer in that area.. dont get me started on the towel story ffs .. he was in his pool ..she knocked in the door..he got out if the pool .. wrapped a towel round him and answered the door ...what is wrong with that ..if he had got in the house dried off..put on a dressing gown ..the person at the door might be gone.. he lured her with a false name ..really ..his sister asked him to sell the van..she had used autotrader before..her husband at the time even did a hustle shot with teresa .. 🤦🤦
@@micheletherese3503 Steven had a pool behind the trailer...it's in the photographs the cops took and also in the walkthrough video ... A blue small pool 👍
Sometimes RUclips doesn't give notifications appropriately so I'll drop this here as well. I don't have twitter but I do have discord under this same username. Feel free to add me!
@@RavensFanJ yeahhh that's great as I am on discord though just have to learn how to find you lol I have a discord too under the same handle name so if I don't find you try looking for mine.
@@darksideofthemoon2348 I tried sending a friend request but it didn't seem to find you. My username there is with no capitals. ravensfanj - Just like that.
This is exactly why I hate the clumsy investigation of the police. But I don’t think he had a fair trial and I still think a new trial should occur. No doubt he’s a man who struggles with his anger. But it still doesn’t make him a murdere . Just a psychopath or something like that. But then if it is so obvious then I would grant him a new trial and then let us see. Due to bias! This new show sound quite biased and I think it is time for a new trial. But as long it doesn’t happen all kinds of hypotheses are out there
First and foremost both men, Avery and his nephew have very low IQs. This has made me question if they had the ability to do this and cover it up. Watching Brandons interrogation he was fed all the information. Just from hearing him unable to answer shows his lack of ability to understand what is going on. Usually a person with low comprehension, only knows black and white. Neither one in my opinion has the ability to comprehend and pull off something this intricate. Plus being able to keep a secret like that is very hard for someone who only knows right and wrong and no gray. Of course the investigation into Teresa Haulback's disappearance was easy to focus in on Avery because they had already been really pissed off at him that he was suing them. Complete embarrassment for the police department. Of course we have no idea what really happened because the person who did it was intelligent enough to cover it up and frame someone else.
The thing is, if they did do it, they didn’t cover it up well at all. Her car was on their property - badly hidden. Her bones were in their burn pit. Her phone/camera etc were in their burn barrel. Her key was in SA’s trailer. The argument that they were too stupid to carry out such a smooth cover up falls apart pretty quickly. Some of Dassey’s testimony was definitely influenced by leading questions but some was clearly not. MaM only really focused on the former. SA changed his account numerous times once his original testimony had been contradicted by other witnesses - he initially said he hadn’t used the burn pit in months, then later admitted that he used it the night Teresa disappeared. He told family members that Teresa never arrived until another member of the family said that she’d seen her approach Avery’s trailer. Overall I’d say I’m very sure SA is guilty, I think it’s plausible but unlikely that BD is innocent and gave a false confession.
Well, he didn't cover it up did he? They got the right guy, it's clear. I don't know what's so difficult for you people to understand. Avery is a violent sociopath but he's also pretty dumb and a bit arrogant. In his low IQ mind he thought he was pulling off the perfect murder and now every one who saw this crappy documenetary thinks he's an expert on this case. LMFAO!
I ask all those saying “Avery is innocent”.. how comfortable would you feel with him being your Nextdoor neighbor? Let him watch your kids? A few things can be true at once. Avery is guilty .. Dassey was wrong place wrong time and had some involvement but due to his mental capacity didn’t fully understand and he looked up to his uncle who he claimed SA’d him. The police did bungle things. Give them a new trial. I’d urge y’all to listen to both of their jail recordings to family and friends. Leans me most toward at least Avery’s guilt.
I did, and i find them highly suspect. Sone of them sound entirelynf place, What i find more interesting, is thst there isnt even one full conversstion among the lot which strikes me as very
I’ve seen EVERYTHING on this case. Live interviews and all… bungle isn’t even the word for how this case was handled. It TOTTALY looks set up. From having investigators and officers that weren’t supposed to be involved in the case finding key evidence, absurd claims on blood and DNA traces found in certain places, but not were blood should be (KK saying it was a brutal blood bath murder scene)🙄 massive evidence that was found against other possible suspects totally dismissed and ignored *cough* Bobby Dassey *cough* and then having a severely biased judge favoring the prosecution that’s solely pushing for a conviction on both men. Pleeeeeease, anyone can see how one sided that whole case was! And Ken Kratz has no room to talk, that man is should be behind bars himself. The only reason he’s not is because he knows people who helped him and got him out of all his garbage. SMH
So how comfortable would you be letting Bobby dassey watch your kids? Be your neighbor? The guy who had violent deviant pornography mixed in with pics of mutilated female corpses in his computer. U would leave you kids with him? Cause he too is a suspect. And probably the real killer
Steven did not abuse Brendan.... Again that's kratz twisting things .. good ole pill popping sweaty narcissist kratz .. still can't believe that ken the predator is going to be in convicting.... He abused crime victims ..that's a fact ...I feel sorry for his victims.... I would be comfortable living next door to Steven .😁.. Would definitely not live next door to perv kratz..not even in the same town ..
WHAT if you were being framed ; would you have this same view; the framers could have done a little better and placed evidence at least some distance away from property; this was just foolish even for a murdered.
What do you think happened?
Steven Avery definitely killed Theresa Halbach. Brendan was somehow involved, unwillingly. To what extent I’m not sure.
The police and other people involved didn’t handle the case very well to put it mildly, that’s why there are still people who believe in Steven’s innocence.
It is sad that Brendan’s life is ruined because of his uncle. America is a horrible country for putting a 16-year-old away for so long.
I think Nicole Simpson killed Ron Goldman and then sawed her own head off
In my opinion, Avery is guilty. I am not certain about Dassey. I feel he was there but not vf sure he actually did anything. The interrogation is troubling.
@@LsKev415 Steven and Brendan are both innocent.. you can't free Brendan and not Steven ..
@@charlesstephenarnest8513😅
The hardest part about this case is that cops are so shady and crooked that you don't know who to believe
The reason they seem shady is because the Making a Murderer documentary edited it specifically to make it look that way. It was incredibly deceptive what that documentary did.
Bingo
I'm going to believe the "shady" police who had absolutely nothing to lose if Steve and Avery would have won his millions of dollar lawsuit. Nothing to lose. So if they had nothing to lose why would they set him up? He was always a sexual predator, he was always a criminal. You know when he was in prison for the crime he didn't commit. He drew pictures of a torture chamber that he was going to build to rape and torture women. Did they show that in the original documentary? Nah they didn't. Stephen Avery is nothing but a disgusting murderer and briefest and so is his nephew. Being slow doesn't make you innocent. If you watch all of Brandon's interviews. It is very clear he is offering them information and it all coincides with what happened to Teresa. They found a tooth in Avery's yard. Tooth. Her tooth. He's a murderer!
If you watch the rebuttal documentary "Convicting a Murderer", the cops look a lot less shady, and Avery looks very guilty. The filmmakers in "Making a Murderer" were not trying to make a fair and balanced documentary. It became clear they were making an advocacy peace and used deceptive editing and other deceptive practices to make Avery appear to be innocent. I believed it was highly likely Avery was innocent when I first saw Making a Murderer. I now believe it is highly likely he is guilty.
Well Avery is innocent soo it's not that hard
What I remember from making the murder they searched his room where the murder is said to occur three times. On the third search two officers involved with the original overturned rape case magically found evidence that was overlooked twice when they weren't there.
7 times they search 7 times
That's right. On the 7th search, they found the key, laying in the open on the floor. 7TH SEARCH?
@@thomashardy5650yup seven times in a fuckin trailer lmao
Search warrants need to be incredibly specific. They didn't do 7 thorough searches of the entire trailer. They went in there 7 times looking for very specific items.
the 7 searches were for taking specific things, including the final search where thy were sent to take his porn, the key fell out of the desk his porn was in, so they did not search the entire room 7 times. the 2 cops were not actually part of his overturned conviction, they were not even cops when they conviction happened
Regardless of if he did it or not, the trial and the police consistently coercing during the interviews to a child who had diminished capacity, suspicious evidence “showing up” after 7 searches and countless other blunders on the justice systems part makes it so that their trials were not fair.
I've been screaming the same thing for years-- the police did a lot of damage to the credibility of their narrative by not following procedures and just over all bumbling
There's even more evidence against Avery than there is in the Scott Peterson and Barry Morphew investigations, just to name a few.
The biggest evidence against Avery is: The RAV found on his property with both his and Teresa's blood in multiple places within. Her remains found in his burn pit and burn barrels, along with her electronic devices. Bullets found in his garage, one of which had Teresa's DNA on it and was ballistically matched to the. 22 caliber rifle that hung above his bed. A luminol reactant spot in the garage near the mower Dassey claimed her body was by. The key to Teresa's vehicle which was discovered in his trailer (not after 7 searches but 7 entries - a very common misconception). 1st entry was a body check only and before they found the RAV, 2nd was for a PC serial number and the auto trader book, 3rd was for the rifle, etc etc until the 7th entry which was for a thorough search of the bedroom.
Then there's the circumstantial evidence against him: The *67 calls to her phone before arrival + non *67 call after. Him taking off work that day and not returning which even according to him he never did. His property being the last stop she made that day on her photo shoots, as well as being her last known location and him being the last known person to see her.
And the anecdotal evidence against him: Bobby testifying he saw her with him the day of the crime. Robert Fabian testifying he saw Avery burning things in the barrel they later found her electronics. The auto trader woman who says Teresa mentioned the creepy behavior of Avery to.
Not to mention Brendan's lawyer and the lawyer's special investigator actively working against their client should be a violation of his rights.
@BB-pg5kl As sleezy as they seemed, walking back a confession already made by your client is extremely difficult. Like sub 5% chance of being able to make that case. In their mind, doubling down on it and going for a plea deal was Brendan's best and only option. Not saying it was right or wrong, but if they'd been able to do what they wanted, he'd be a free man already as the deal was for 15 years.
@@danielwood8135 so why did they not follow? This is so big! It shows US justice system is an organized crime syndicate.
The worse thing for me was that apparently he slit Theresa's throat on his bedroom, yet his bedroom on inspection CLEARLY hadn't been cleaned in months and zero.blood stains 😂😂😂
No signs of a deep bleached clean in any part of the property where this bloodbath allegedly happened.
Clearly all the evidence is planted. Disgusting
He's so guilty. It's so embarrassing to say he not, it almost as bad as those people that argue for the west Memphis 3 being innocent.
@@penskepc2374those sorry bastards killed them little kids,,that Damian dude was a real piece of crapp..And people forget dumbass johnny Depp helped free the child murders,Depp should have stayed making movies and left serious stuff like getting involved in a case with children being tortured and murdered alone
@@penskepc2374Nope. Seems pretty clear Steven & Brendan are innocent, framed by crooked coppers who were still butthurt that their previous wrongful conviction of Steven had been overturned.
@@penskepc2374evidence is just not there. Stop being so emotional about it. Admit that you just don't like him, so you feel he's guilty.
@@Odawg292002 Evidence is just not there? What planet do you live on?
it's sad what they did to Brendan. that kid probably doesn't know where he is most of the time. there is no way he was competent to stand trial.
It's believed that Brenden has a low IQ and perhaps an unspecified learning disability, but he managed to attend a regular public high school while taking just one or two SPED classes. Overall, he was functioning close to an appropriate age level (which was 17 at the time of the murder). The narrative that he is somehow incompetent was completely fabricated by MAM. He's a little slow, maybe easily manipulated, but he knows exactly where he is and was completely competent to stand trial. The poor kid could be out of prison already if he had taken the plea deal he was offered, but he was manipulated by his own shitty family into turning it down in order to save Steven.
They offered him a 15 yr plea and he'd be out now
You've been greatly misled by the media, my friend. Brendan is a little slow, maybe has a low IQ, and is impressionable (which is why he was led to confessing by the detectives and why it's plausible that his uncle convinced him to get involved with the murder). He is not incompetent or so mentally handicapped that he doesn't know where he is. He was in one or two SPED classes at school, but was taking mostly regular, grade-appropriate classes.
Yeah, it’s sad for Brendan who can’t stand to see blood . I wonder how they found twelve jurors as stupid as he is...
@@barryoshea429you’d of taken it?
Neither one of these two seem smart enough to cover up a crime scene of this magnitude.
Yeah, which is why they were arrested basically immediately. Her fingerprints were in his trailer, his and her blood was in her car, her body was in his yard, on and on the evidence built against him, it was super clear the moment anyone looked at it that he killed her.
You don't have to be brilliant to be devious.
@@moriyarose3587smh
That’s why they are in prison duh
No they weren't the evidence was literally all over the property, making a murderer just left all those bits out.
The folded number plate found in another car on the lot, the bullet casings in the garage, the bone fragments found in the burn pit and those moved to the burn barrel, the remains of her phone, camera and memory cards along with the metal emblem from the jeans she was wearing. His finger prints found under the hood of the Rav 4 on the area where the battery was removed.
They also didn't inform viewers that the blood in the car they claimed was put there couldn't have been taken from the blood vile kept in storage at the court because that blood had a chemical added to preserve the blood as evidence for future tests if needed. The blood in the car had no such chemical present. That was confirmed in court.
If you watched convicting a murder part 1-10 you'd never trust another netflix documentary ever again.
It really is hard to believe that a broadcaster like netflix would be involved in producing content with the scale of lies and omissions of truth in it and expect not to get called out for it.
Within the first sentence you had already got the facts wrong. He was sentenced to 32 years and served 18 for the Bernstein case. Not sentenced to 18
Well, the narrator says "former sheriff Thomas Kocourek (shows a picture of the prosecutor, Denis Vogel, with the banner "Thomas Kocourek") then says "and it's former district attorney, Denis Vogel" while showing a picture of one of Avery's attorneys. For those that maybe don't know the story, that's going to be confusing if they watch the show.
Is this video AI generated? Lol there seems to be a lot of inconsistencies that have been pointed out in the comments and the voice sounds like it could be computer generated.
and then it's downhill from there
He was sentenced and served 6 of those years for running his cousin off the road and then attempting to kidnap her with a loaded gun. She was very misrepresented in the first series.
@@mylittlesongbird1 yup
“We chained her to a bed and slit her throat” yet no blood was found in the bedroom. Even if he did do it. There’s just too much reasonable doubt.
Anyone who's worked with kids like Brendan knows that they can mix up the experiences of others with their own, often without realizing it. After telling a grieving teen how I had also lost a grandparent, he repeated the details of what he'd just been told as if it had happened to him. Brandan's police interrogation was eerily similar.
I haven't watched the show in a long time, but I seem to recall that the police said the murder happened IN the trailer and that it was bloody, but like you said.... no blood. There's just no chain of evidence that makes sense, at least to me.
wasn't her body buried in HIS backyard? I'll pass on the possibility of somebody else burying a corpse on his yard without him noticing something.
@@Kinhussar Look at a map of the Avery property (and take a few notes while viewing the documentary's detailed assessment of logistics, time frame and MOTIVE.) Then at least you'll know her body was burned rather than buried.
@@maryhalverson5713 I agree. And Brendan’s confession/testimony was huge for the prosecution against Steven.
So are we going to ignore that in his "alleged" confession, Brendan said when he arrived at the trailer Avery allegedly had Halbach chained to the bed. The cuffs were allegedly attached to the bed frame. Yet when they dismantled the bed, no marks were on the bedframe. Next is that Brendan allegedly said he witnessed Avery slit Halbach's throat, then later Avery shot Halbach in the head. So if there was any throat slit or head shooting, why when the police stripped that room and used luminol, there wasn't one spot registering. Next is the shooting of her in the garage, yet no arterial spray and not one speck of dust was disturbed on the equipment or the car in that garage and where that bullet was found, there was not one drop of blood found in that broken concrete. Then the absolute fact that RAV4 key was not found during the five other searches of that room, yet the cops who were mentioned in the lawsuit Avery had against them, were doing the search and magically that key was found. Then there's the fact that everyone and their brother were allowed to search that car yard. Relatives of the victim were allowed to search. Nothing suspicious there at all. Now can we mention Kratz's sexual history?
Is Kratz Halbrech’s boyfriend?
The lack of blood evidence has always worried me..with what thr police say happened there should've been blood all over the place
Because she wasn’t killed on Avery’s property or by Avery or Brenden. She was killed at the quarry. Her ex boyfriend beat her up on the side of the road. Bobby and the stepfather found her unconscious, took her up to the quarry and sexually assaulted her and killed her. Then they set up Steven. Brenden was just collateral damage. Which is why Bobby doesn’t speak to Brenden and has never seen him in the prison.
@@jennarobinson4922 Added to that the fact that the younger of the two had a search history packed with "how to drown a woman," "how to decapitate a woman," "women murdered" and so many more. The reason Avery was pinned with the crime was so the state wouldn't have to pay enormous restitution for falsely arresting him before. That is why some politician or judge jumps in to block every appeal at the last second - bury Avery's team in time, legal fees, and paperwork.
@@jennarobinson4922 Yeah, this is the most plausible scenario. Funny how there was evidence that those 2 were near the scene around the time she arrived, yet were never interrogated to my knowledge.
I think even if he's guilty, the Police messed up the proper chain of command with too much evidence. And now there is no way you can say beyond a reasonable doubt that he's 100% guilty.
So this new programme convicting a murderer criticised Netflix for a biased documentary yet the narrator of the new series calls avery an evil murderer she sounds pretty biased herself with that comment
The Daily Wire makes no claims of being journalists. They are an extreme right propaganda channel, and only offers their bizarre ”opinions”. Anyone who watches them better beware that they come from a place where conservatism and fascism meets. They have no integrity what so ever. They get their funding from Big Oil billionaires, and their mission is to fight a ”culture war” against human rights and decency.
Very good point.
When u drive it in a weak mind they'll listen him being evil ❤
Daily wire is a divisive company so is Candace... This will be bias and a fund raiser
@@arowefilms It is all a grift and propaganda from them and Candace.
making a murderer DOESNT profess Avery's innocence. it RIGHTFULLY points out WILLFUL oversights in the prosecutor's case. inept law enforcement procedure and bias from a county that WRONGFULLY convicted Avery once before. the assertion of the documentary is that the conviction doesn't pass muster. which is 100 percent accurate.
Of course, MAM professed Avery's innocence. There was NOTHING wrong with the investigation and prosecution of Avery (Brendan Dassey is another story). When you are the last person to see the deceased, your fresh blood is in her RAV4 and her remains are found in a burn pit directly behind your trailer, you are guilty-end of story. Only the most gullible person on the face of the earth believes in Avery's innocence.
Yes but it also misrepresents the police by altering testimonies and editing interviews and phone calls. I agree that there are some missteps by the Police in this case and that the investigating was shoddy...but I think this is due to poor policing and not intentional framing.
@@timberedridge7224 so, not the point. again, the intent of MAM was to highlight that there were flaws in the ''due process'' of the case. simple. no MATTER the reasons police and prosecutors didn't do their work correctly. it is a miscarriage of justice in America when this happens. ergo, the conviction shouldn't stand. if the state wants to retry, fine. they didn't do it right. there are differing opinions of WHY the investigation was a debacle. I believe ALL police and DAs are corrupt and solely ego driven. that aside, this case is remarkedly flawed.
The intent of MAM was not to highlight flaws. It was to strongly suggest that Avery was innocent and framed by the police. ALL police and DAs are corrupt, and ego driven? If that is your attitude, that's YOUR problem. The case was "remarkably flawed". In what way?@@robbieg4700
@@robbieg4700 That is not 100% accurate. Cops are people so they better make a few mistakes because that's what we do. But they had a very difficult job to do, to find a missing person and to bring her back to her family. That was number one. Avery started flapping his mouth all over the news and was very inconsistent in those and to the cops, for example, Teresa had been there 15 times ---- Not Even Close! -- That is a direct lie but it was a good attempt -- he said that to hide the fact that she was targeted. Avery's Salvage Yard was also one of Teresa's last stops and she didn't make it to her final stop. So, a good place to start is somewhere around there. They interviewed the people from the last 2 stops that she did make it to (Avery and Zipperers) several times and Steven's ever-changing stories drew them in. -- He hadn't burned anything in two weeks, he didn't burn anything that night, he was in his house by nine when he was talking to Jodi on the phone, he was by himself, etc. If MaM's narrative was accurate then they wouldn't have had to twist so much of it but that's exactly what they did, not that they had a choice. All 20 episodes are full of it and they know it. ... unless you're falling for the silly parts such as that the cop was looking at the plates --- you know that's not true. Or that they wiped the bullet on her chapstick? Or that they planted his blood in her vehicle? Or planted the vehicle? The blood hound followed her scent all the way to where her vehicle was --- my only question is why they didn't share that part or the part where Avery told his dad he'd wiped the gun clean or when he said he burned the inappropriate pictures of Marie -- or the fact that he raped her. What about her crying about how bad it hurt and that he wouldn't stop? That wouldn't have worked because they wouldn't have been able to minimize it like they did the cat and everything else. Why didn't they share the part about him dragging his dog home all bloody because he ran away or when he gave his little girl hickies or when he knocked his son's teeth out?? Because leaving the real stuff out makes him look like the hero of the story and Kratz the devil. I just like how he later tried to hire Kratz, the guy who supposedly framed him for murder ... and since Earl had an eye appt that day, Steven couldn't blame him so he blamed his wife, Candy, instead, haha. ------> one of the people who saw the very big fire. Steven's words ---> "The fire wasn't hot enough to burn a body .... It was only hot enough when I'd burn a tire." .... in the fire he didn't have.
In hindsight, the show seems like more of an effort to make lawyers look like rockstars. They aren’t. None of them.
Netflix certainly didn’t rely on the charisma of Dassy and Avery to sell it.
“Just tell us why you killed Tupac Brendan”.
Could’ve asked that kid anything.
Non of this would be a issue if police weren't corrupt in the first place. And they definitely setup and told brendan what to say.
Not exactly. If you look into the facts. He confessed a lot before that recording we saw. They were walking him through what he previously said.
@@Roosters-rants1977 I haven't seen that but I'm inclined to believe you. Alot of that netflix doc was propaganda.
The interrogation was illegal af. How can a child with cognitive and intellectual challenges interrogated without a lawyer? Judge should have thrown the interrogation out.
that's legal in Wisconsin and part of the reason i moved from there...
Its actually not illegal. That's part of the problem is people assume this stuff and they're wrong. Had it been illegal, everything that kid said would've been thrown out and confession unusable for court
no it wasn't. It was done perfectly actually and they were very respectful and Brendan was 100% fully aware he was free to go at any time as he repeated as such. Watch CAM and you will see this for yourself. They did an excellent job
the whole system is corrupt don't you get it? It requires less IQ than Brandon has to understand that all evidence was planted. The order probably came from the top. Whether she was murdered or living under a different name only the US justice system organized crime syndicate knows.
The Dassey boy is 100% unjustly imprisoned. It's shocking that he is still in prison.
Absolutely. I honestly don't understand how a state can appeal a decision to overturn a conviction when they can't do that if the person if found not guilty. The state of Wisconsin could have granted Brendan a new trial, but without the forced confession, they had no case. When you hear the audio for the first appeal to the US District Court, you can hear that Judge Hamilton clearly has his mind made up.
No surprise that he ended up writing the majority decision when the second appeal to the full 7 judge panel happened. 2 courts found his confession was coerced. 4 different judges all said the conviction should be vacated, and yet he's now in prison for life unless he gets a pardon, parole or new evidence comes in. That poor boy was done dirty.
Really? I thought he got out. He didn't?
@@squigglyline2813 No. Brendan was granted a petition of habeas corpus im federal court and ordered to be released or retried. The state of Wisconsin appealed to the appeals Court where a 3 judge pannel upheld 2-1 the lower court's ruling that Brendan's confession was coerced and therefore invalid, the state appealed again this time to the full 7 judge panel of the appeals court where the ruling was overturned as 4 judges found that the cops acted lawfully when getting the confession, and therefore Brendan's conviction was reinstated. Brendan's lawyers appealed to SCOTUS, who refused to hear the case. He has never left prison since his conviction all those years ago.
@@steamyrv I don't understand why the state prosecutor kept appealing like that. The kid was mentally slow, certianly no criminal mastermind, AND very obviously and publicly shown to of had been coerced. It makes me sick. That is serious leves of injustice done to that kid, now a full grown man. Steven Avery should just confess and help get Brendan out or something.
@@TP_Gillz It's unclear exactly why the state kept appealing Brendan's case even after it was overturned twice already, but one things we know for certain is that a new trial would go in Brendan's favor. The reason for that is that the entire case was based on Brendan's confession. There were no eyewitnesses, no physical evidence that tied Brendan to Teresa Halbach's death. Without that confession, there is no case and Brendan would have to be freed.
This would mean Brendan could turn around and sue for millions for wrongful imprisonment (kind of like what Steven Avery did after being cleared of rape by DNA) and would win. They don't want that. The fact that the case received so much publicity and so much exposure after the Making A Murderer series also probably makes it so that the DA doesn't want to have to admit that a terrible mistake was made.
Honestly, at this stage, I don't think even Steven confessing would change anything. The reason for it is that Brendan did not testify against Steven in court, his confession was never used against Steven and so I'm not sure that anything Steven says would help Brendan. The only thing that could save Brendan is a pardon from the state's governor, which doesn't seem likely. If SCOTUS had agreed to hear Brendan's case and ruled in his favor, he would be a free man today, but they didn't and he isn't. It's an extreme perversion of justice and the fact that people seem laser-focused on Steven Avery because of the sensationalized nature of his story just overshadows the fact that there's an innocent man in jail. Steven Avery got good legal representation and a fair trial, there was actual evidence presented against him (even if some of it is fishy), but not Brendan. He was railroaded by the cops, railroaded by his own lawyer and railroaded by an overzealous and corrupt prosecutor. It's disgusting.
There's just a lot of odd inconsistencies. This isn't me being a truther or a guilter, I finished convicting a murderer the other day and if anything it made me more conflicted than before. I never fell for the narrative the directors were trying to push in MAM, you could tell they were heavily leaning to one side rather than being unbiased so it made complete sense that they fudged some stuff to make their argument stronger. That being said, even after finishing CAM, I'm still not fully convinced that he's guilty or not, and I'm definitely still steadfast in my opinion that the prosecution did not actually prove him guilty. One thing that took out to me was how often the prosecution would say that Brendan's trial and his involvement had nothing to do with the avery trial, but they always seemed to bring it up, or facts based off of what Brendan said. It also goes the other way. Idk how Kratz could say "this murder was committed by one man" in his closing for the Avery trial, and then be party to implicating Brendan in TH's murder during his trial. If I'm the defense I'm bringing that up in my closing for Brendan's case. It's not much but it would have been one more inconsistency to try and sway the jury in your direction
This robotic version of the Avery situation is a heavily biased and inaccurate waste of time. Stories that detail the Wisconsin Court of Appeals ineptitude are legion. Avery's dilemma is just one of the most glaring examples.
Her body was burned in a fire pit 10 feet away from where Steven Avery sleeps at night, this fact alone tells you all you need to know about his guilt, you don’t need videos or documentaries, just use a little common sense
@@johnnyboy7144 -- That spot was clearly chosen to set Avery up. If he'd been the murderer he would've put distance between the body and his property.
@@maryhalverson5713 lmaooooo so there was a fire blazing for over an hour 10 feet away from Steven Avery and Steven didn’t see it or hear anything that night? U can’t be this ridiculous and naive can you?
@@maryhalverson5713 seek help if you believe a fire was burning 10 feet away from where Steven Avery sleeps and he didn’t see or hear anything that night…. My god I’ve officially heard it all
@@johnnyboy7144
It's always a good idea to take notes when looking into complicated cases. Aerial maps are helpful too.
Killing someone that was supposed to be at your home at a scheduled time, and then leaving her car for anyone to find. Then add a suspect who had been falsely convicted from a different case....that's just plain stupid. I have trouble believing someone could be that brazen or stupid
You have to factor in that Avery is an absolute moron. I’m not being figurative. He’s literally an idiot.
All killers are stupid. Even the respected Bundy and Kemper had their iq readings inflated by prosecutorial psychiatrists as a means of removing the insanity defense.
100% add to that that he lives on a property that owns a car crusher? Why wouldn't he crush the car? Why wouldn't he clean up around the fire.. Why would he make no attempt to cover his tracks and leave evidence all over his own property? ..he had no motive to kill her.they had an amicable professional relationship..he just got his freedom back after 18 years.none of the prosecutions theories make any sence at all.
The odds are that if he was innocent the first time he is innocent the second. Imagine the odds of being falsely convicted of such a murder but also being such a murderer yourself.
@@brandonanderson2066to top it all off Avery was in the middle of 36 million dollar lawsuit with mantiwoc county .. 36 million reasons to frame him for murder so they didn’t have to pay him..
One thing is for certain. Our justice systems are so corrupt, inept that getting a fair trial depends on the $$$ you got. If you get in this system, unless you're connected it's gonna eat you alive.
Don't murder anyone. It's worked for me for over 59 years
He received a $407k settlement for sueing Manitowac County for his wrongful conviction. He used that money to pay for his trial about Teresa.
That's not true at all. Most people who go to court for a crime are guilty. Obviously, it's not perfect and there are definitely people who have been wrongly convicted, including Avery the first time. But for this crime, if you just step back and look, it's very obvious he did it. Why else would he change his story so many times? Why else would he say he didn't have a fire (distancing behavior) or leave out the part about being with Brendan (more distancing) and finally and most importantly, he said that Teressa never arrived (absolutely distancing himself from the crime)!!
@@SpicyTexan64 It does not work.
@@moo-z137 Where did you study psychology ? So , because you think you can read Steven’s mind , you think he’s guilty. What can you tell people about the last generation of lies detector .
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There's a lot missed here. The blood in the back of the RAV4 was hers not his. It's not possible to get that blood swipe by the ignitition with a cut to the finger like he had. What should be addressed are all of the issues raised by his attorney Zellner in the second season of making a murderer. Furthermore none of those timelines matched up with what was presented at the trial. Im not saying that Avery is a decent person or that he is innocent of everything. What i do think is that some of the evidence presented doesnt pass the smell test. For example when they found her car they were supposedly reading the license plate off to the Sargeant over the police radio to identify it yet the license plates were found inside of another car on the property, not on the RAV4. And they couldnt have been reading off the VIN number for identification because the searchers were supposedly not on the avery property during the search because a search warrant hadnt been granted. At the very least a lot of the evidence in this case has been tainted by poor practices in foresics all the way to possible police planting evidence. In fact both the police planting evidence and Avery being guilty can be true at the same time. The problem is that our justice system is supposed to put more weight on one than the other. A fair trial is more important than guilt because our system is designed with the presumption of innocence and to prevent the innnocent from being wrongly convicted. What is it that Franklin said about our justice system "it is better that 100 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man should suffer".
Her body was burned in a fire pit 20 feet from Steven Avery’s trailer, that’s all anyone needs to know, if he didn’t do it he knows who did and the fact that he hasn’t said a word on to who it was, tells us CLEARLY it was he himself who did it. Zellner is regretting her decision ever day to take on this case that i can promise you, because I’m quite certain at this moment right now she is fully convinced he is GUILTY
The radio call with the license plates happened days before her car was found, he was calling dispatch to confirm he had the right plate number written down so he knew what to look for. The VIN and the license plate are not the same, and they didn't discuss the VIN anyway, so I have no idea why you would bring that up. The car was not found by the police, it was found by civilians, a mother and daughter team that volunteered for the search party and got permission from the property owner to walk through the yard to look. Avery got a fair trial, he was just super guilty.
@@johnnyboy7144there’s no way possible that fire was hot enough for it to burn completely down to the bones in an open fire pit.
Secondly, the police going over and beyond to FRAME him leads me to believe they(or a few of them) know exactly what happened to this woman
@@TherealRobBase lmaoooooooooooooooooo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you just won first place 🥇 for the dumbest retort ever, the fire pit wasn’t hot enough to do that to her body burning all night long, 🤣😂🤣😂🤣… so she went missing on that day, we know this for a fact, how the fk did that happen to her body then? The police took her body to cremation place? Then returned the bones to Avery’s property? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@TherealRobBaseThat's blatantly false. I know the exact document you're basing that on. Dehaan's affidavit. Which is an opinion, my friend. And one paid for by the defense. If that logic holds true no matter what, Eisenberg's affidavit that came during the trial that the burn pit was the primary burn site is indisputable evidence. Doesn't work that way.
Having watched the documentary, the only things I i can say I'm confident about are:
1) Brendan Dassey's confession was very obviously fed to him bc the details he came up with in his own were all wrong. He also never should have been interviewed without an adult or lawyer present, given his intellect.
2) Teresa Halbach was killed on the Avery property but I'm not sure they'll ever be enough evidence to know which member(s) of the family actually did it.
3) The police and prosecutors in the area did a terrible job which makes it hard to say if there was outright corruption or just incompetence.
I think Steven Avery did it and there is plenty of evidence surrounding the matter that was left out of Making of a Murderer that points to the fact that he was practically stalking Halbach. The police knew he did it but didn’t have enough so I believe they did plant some evidence and clearly coerced a confession from Dassey.
@@irisharan3038 Yeah, one thing that I do remember from MAM is that the defense does say that the police manufactured evidence bc they genuinely believed Avery was guilty - not bc they thought they were framing an innocent man.
I will admit I've never looked at the case past the documentary so I don't know the full breadth of evidence against Steven. I never really felt the need bc I think the documentary does present a good case that the investigation wasn't handled correctly & there are many areas that need to be looked into for corruption and/or incompetence. To me that fact is more big-picture than Teresa Halbach's case - if corruption occurred in the investigation into her murder, even if the right guy went to jail in the end, it still puts a stain on the justice she and her family received, which they don't deserve.
In my opinion, this is very similar to OJ's case. The police tried to frame the guy who did it. What I don't get is the current reaction: OJ is portrayed as a killer, and Avery is depicted as a victim of the police.
Halbach couldn't have been killed on the property when cell tower records indicate that she left if she left how did the car get back on the property,the 22 bullet found in the garage,a 22 doesn't have enough power to exit a skull,when Avery's attorney requested the bullet to have it DNA tested they said they lost it,they searched Avery's trailer 7 times but found the key in plain sight on the 7th time they didn't let the coroner do any DNA on the supposed skull they found in the fire pit,too much shady shit to convict Avery
This case was so mucked up by the police and prosecutors, nobody will ever know what happened unless/until the killer confesses with specific verifiable details about the crime and cleanup.
It actually wasn't. It was "mucked" up by a documentary crew purposely in the hope that the gullible would believe in Stevens innocence and they were correct
Or the police confesses.
And the fact that Bobby isn't even being considered - despite the search history on his computer filled with hundreds of queues about how to drown a woman, decapitate a woman, strangle a woman - is appalling. This is about the state trying to prevent paying enormous restitution for Avery's initial false conviction.
@@fernando-loula one thing is for sure, the police didn't kill her. Why would they kill an innocent woman and then frame Avery, when they could've just killed Avery? It would never happen. What they were likely doing is watching and waiting for him to mess up and coming down on him full force.
@@saltedllama2759 The entire family is fucked up.
The fact he was convicted of animal abuse by pouring oil on a cat and burning it until it died, is enough in my eyes to keep the sick monster in prison until he dies. Absolutely abhorrent
I don't buy meats or fish from the grocery store, I eat a plant based diet. Nice that you're all for making excuses for animal cruelty though. Nice.
@@AshleyHill-li9foplant based diet? Gross.
@@AshleyHill-li9foSo you and all those who liked your comment think the vast majority of the population - who do participate in the killing of animals in one way or another - should all be in prison for the rest of their lives?
@reaca1081ell an actual judge agreed with her. How about that? 😂😂😂
Yes, we know.
You don't give a sh1t what the law says - especially if something has upset you.
That's why women should never be judges or jurors.
Poor Steven Avery. He was always an angel - except for throwing that cat into a bonfire when he was a youngster and who amongst us hasn't tortured, mutilated and killed small animals? Well, there is the fact that whenever the murderer Avery had a car to sell in the paper Halbach worked for he always demanded her and then when she was forced to go he'd always answer the door in a towel or "was just in the shower" I'm in the nude - I know that's like Harvey Weinstein level rape creepery but let's not let that get in the way of us hating on the police. Oh, and except for hiding his number when trying to sexually harass Teresa Halbach, there really isn't that much evidence to prove he was a misogynistic rapist murderer. Well, okay, there is but we need something to help us hate on the police.
No one would be hating on the police in this case if they hadn’t have planted evidence & coerced witness testimony; the county should’ve recused itself from the investigation entirely. How many kids do you think grew up playing baseball with frogs… did they all go on to kill someone in cold blood? Stop being such a bootlicker.
So you're saying there's no evidence he actually committed the crime he's in prison for.
@@TRUECRIMESPTVNo, being sarcastic 🤌🏾 he/she thinks all the reasons point to Steven and he deserves to in prison.
Anyone can think whatever they want. In the real world we focus on evidence.
Amen.
If someone else were fronting the new "documentary", I might be more convinced of its credibility.
Same.
Man, did you do your homework about this case and all involved? at 3:03 you showed Ken Kratz (States Attorney) but called and labeled him as the former Sheriff Thomas Kocoureck. Then the very next person you showed was part of Avery's defense team but you named him as the District Attorney Dennis Vogel. Wow.
I noticed the same thing .way to muck the waters himself
Also the blood in the back of the RAV4 was hers yet this video identified it as Avery's.
He also said the bullet in the garage was not confirmed to be from Avery's rifle, except there were multiple bullets and, while it is true that one of the bullets was not conclusive, the one with her DNA on it was confirmed by ballistics to have been fired from Avery's rifle. And he said that the state experts said the open air fire would not cremate the remains but he leaves out that they explained that the tires helped it burn hotter, and also it did not fully cremate the remains, leaving large pieces which were distributed in the surrounding area to hide them, and that the DEFENSE expert testified on the stand that the way to determine primary and secondary cremation sites is to look at fragment sizes, as the smaller fragments are left at the main site and the large remainder is moved, essentially confirming Avery's yard as the site of the original cremation. Those are some pretty big facts to cut out if the goal is to remain objective.
😂 I’ve seen some other vids by this creator and it’s the same thing…just a bunch of rehashed clips and a short blurb at the end about “what really happened “
A lot of allegedly ... only the things he did, that was recorded with police should be stated here. Everything else is hearsay or alleged !!! The main thing is Brendan was coerced into making false confessions and have used up all his appeals which is totally disgusting. He was 16 and had a mind of a 10 year old!!! He has been used by law enforcement to get Avery.
then ur name is now......Psychic scott.........
I agree with this statement one hundred percent.
His mother should not have let the police talk to her son without an attorney.
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Sure, sicko
What i dont get is the nephew painted this horrible picture of what happened, so how is there no dna inside stephens place then.
He did it to give the police and his own lawyers what they wanted, to finally leave him alone, and that was the biggest mistake. But according to his drawing, it couldn't have happened the way it happened, because there are no signs that she was chained up. There is also no DNA of hers in the bedroom and the biggest thing is that Steven's sister admitted that Teresa left the property. Such evidence cannot simply be "cleaned" or removed. I am firmly convinced that she was killed somewhere else and the burned body was then scattered around the property. Because to completely burn a body, you need very high heat that lasts a long time, and that is not possible with a "campfire" that was supposedly 3m high according to Scott's statements. I am firmly convinced that Bobby and Scott had something to do with it, because for some reason Bobby and Scott were “hunting” around the time of the crime and the police gratefully accepted it in order to pin it on Steven. So they got rid of Steven and the state did not have to pay $36 million. And that is the reason why all of his appeals have been rejected. There is a lot of money at stake.
Bobby Dassey always seemed to get looked over. How convenient. Manitowoc law enforcement seemed to me to be very shady
There's 0 physical evidence linking Bobby to the murder. Only anecdotal that wasn't even allowed into a courtroom because Sowinski's affidavit so blatantly differed from his emails he sent to the defense team in 2016. Lest we forget Penny Bernstein -- witness testimony is far from the best evidence. And as for Bobby, the guy has never had a criminal history and is living a quiet life with wife and kid(s). Poor guy will look out his window at torches and pitchforks for the rest of his life over a girl he most likely never even met.
SUPER shady. The best thing Steven could have done was leave once the civil suit was filed for false conviction. He should have gotten the heck out of their jurisdiction.
I have a strong feeling that they either murdered her or paid her to disappear just to set up him. There's still no remains of hers found.
@anonymoose116 Her remains were in Avery's fire pit. The State Crime Lab tested them and found a DNA match within an error range of 1 in 1 billion. At that time in 2005, that meant only 7 people (planet population was around 7 billion) with that matching DNA profile could have been the victim in that fire pit. If that's still not enough, the FBI later did a test themselves and confirmed it to be her beyond any doubt.
@@anonymoose11640% of her bones were found..
@@BB-pg5kland they wouldn't submit them in the case... They just gave the bones back.
They couldn't find a key for days then suddenly found it.
They found her car IMMEDIATELY.
They lied about how she was killed and how her body was transported.
There was definitely some retaliatory issues.
Too bad the investigation was so bad.
I don't know; seems like the guilty parties were convicted and in prison. Job well done boys!
@@carldale7048 Agreed. There was nothing wrong with either the investigation or the prosecution.
Dude I'm damn well convinced it was the other brother the one that pointed out all the evidence and did all kinds of shady ass shit. Dunno how the cops missed out on all that (I.E. ignored) I've watched every piece of media I could find on this and that's the conclusion that I've arrived at. Bobby Dassey wasn't slow like his brother ,and knew his uncle was the perfect scapegoat. It's soooooo fucking insane that shit happened like this ,and terrifying as hell. It fucking makes me sick.
@vicetea940 that’s exactly what I’ve been screaming from the beginning. For many reasons
Omg my gut went there also. Just does not add up when watching Bobby's part.
When this happened fall of 2005, Bobby was a very attractive young man. Maybe Bobby didn't rape and kill her, maybe they met up for a quick spontaneous outdoor hookup and something went wrong. Stranger things have happened! Then Bobby panics, finds help to destroy the body and/or the real evidence. Then in a day or so it becomes very convenient to set up Uncle Steven. It's a leap, but hey, ya never know.
It's shitty to say this, but it's been proven that Theresa was a bit of a tramp. She was also sleeping with a married man at the time she disappeared.
@@johneckert1365
Maybe she wanted money from him after the sex or else she would cry Rape. That's the only motive I can think of, otherwise there would be no reason to kill her.
If you're referring to who I think you are, I agree. His internet searches were terrifying
I cant understand how anyone could ever do that ...murder or rape... anyone its so SICK dear God.
Avery very well may have done it. However, from what I've seen, the police and prosecuters did such a poor job during the entire investigation that there's almost certainly enough doubt to pass the "reasonable doubt" threshold and he probably should've been found not guilty had he had a decent lawyer. And the kid should have won his appeal and had it sent back for a retrial without the horribly botched interregation being allowed into evidence.
Also, whether he did it or not, I don't think the police were involved in the crime or necessarily tried to frame him. However, I do think they believed he was guilty from the beginning and a cop or 2 or 3 likely "aided" the investigation by "steering" some of the evidence towards avery.
If it wasn't steven avery, it was almost certainly someone else in the family, likely his brother in law and/or his brother in law's kid.
Bro, you're acting like Brandon Dassi. How could you be dumb enough to claim the police didn't do anything shady and at the same time claim they directed evidence at him. That's just as dumb as Brandon. It doesn't matter who killed this chick. The only thing that does matter is the police botched and coerced a kid. With that alone, he walks.
@@brentmichael4770ow can you be dumb enough to think Avery isn't guilty? It's embarrassing. The police weren't involved in anything, it's been disproven so many times
@@brentmichael4770 first, it very much matters "who killed this chick." and I didn't say they didn't do anything shady, I just they didn't kill her like a lot of people think. I did say they botched the investigation, and likely mishandled evidence and may have planted some to prove Avery's guilt. And I'm as dumb as dassey? Your reading comprehension is on a 2nd grade level
From what you've seen? So...were you at the trial? If not, then you've only seen what Netflix and biased film producers wanted you to see.
@@brentmichael4770 Obviously he doesn't walk because he's in prison. But he could have been out by now if he would have testified but his Grandpa told him to stick to his guns.
I agree 100%...anyone who pours flammable liquids on a pet cat and throws it into a fire is a lowlife bastard.
MaM was more bias in his and Brendons direction. But these type of shows are usually more bias in the OTHER direction, while nothing is said about that.
In the end, the whole deal about this is boiled down to a corrupt/inept police force pursuing the outcome of "justice" that they want, rather than where the evidence points. Steven... is not a great guy by any means. But in this instance, the evidence pointed towards him being not guilty. Period. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. But the evidence is not 100% against him. While Brendon... he was clearly coerced. At the VERY least, if he was involved, his involvement was minimal. and not worth his sentence. More so considering his mental status. At the worst, Steven manipulated him into disposing of a body and I guess trying to be his alibi or something.
Anyone cruel to innocent animals is 100% capable of rape/murder. Pretty sure he did it.
The police who were being sued by him planted and bungled the case so its hard to be clear, if he killed her in his bedroom the lack of physical and blood evidence is pretty damming to that theory
I suppose if you do not have any real evidence he murdered TH, then you have to resort to character assignation which is what this film is all about Lets talk about Kuss RD and the 36 million dollar civil lawsuit SA had on LE and the fact that the prosecutor and Sheriff in the rape case were about to be deposed when Avery was arrested. Sure SA left the car there with his blood in it, but wiped off his finger prints. Both cases were a sham and this will come out eventually .
There's even more evidence against Avery than there is in the Scott Peterson and Barry Morphew investigations, just to name a few.
The biggest evidence against Avery is: The RAV found on his property with both his and Teresa's blood in multiple places within. Her remains found in his burn pit and burn barrels, along with her electronic devices. Bullets found in his garage, one of which had Teresa's DNA on it and was ballistically matched to the. 22 caliber rifle that hung above his bed. A luminol reactant spot in the garage near the mower Dassey claimed her body was by. The key to Teresa's vehicle which was discovered in his trailer (not after 7 searches but 7 entries - a very common misconception). 1st entry was a body check only and before they found the RAV, 2nd was for a PC serial number and the auto trader book, 3rd was for the rifle, etc etc until the 7th entry which was for a thorough search of the bedroom.
Then there's the circumstantial evidence against him: The *67 calls to her phone before arrival + non *67 call after. Him taking off work that day and not returning which even according to him he never did. His property being the last stop she made that day on her photo shoots, as well as being her last known location and him being the last known person to see her.
And the anecdotal evidence against him: Bobby testifying he saw her with him the day of the crime. Robert Fabian testifying he saw Avery burning things in the barrel they later found her electronics. The auto trader woman who says Teresa mentioned the creepy behavior of Avery to.
I don't know why they keep the guys incarcerated since Steven already used the only money he could get out of Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department which he had to use for his defense in this stupid case he ALSO didn't have any part in.🤔 But then, you have to wonder if he was able to again prove all the corruption we already know took place to even create the stupid case how much money would they be in for to him this time lol😂
#FreeStevenAvery #FreeBrendanDassey
@@g0i2023Avery didn't receive any money from the Sheriff's Department. He was only suing Kocourek, Vogel, and Manitowoc County. That's it. As to why they're keeping him in jail:
There's even more evidence against Avery than there is in the Scott Peterson and Barry Morphew investigations, just to name a few.
The biggest evidence against Avery is: The RAV found on his property with both his and Teresa's blood in multiple places within. Her remains found in his burn pit and burn barrels, along with her electronic devices. Bullets found in his garage, one of which had Teresa's DNA on it and was ballistically matched to the. 22 caliber rifle that hung above his bed. Avery's sweat and skin cell mixture DNA on the hood latch of the RAV. A luminol reactant spot in the garage near the mower Dassey claimed her body was by. The key to Teresa's vehicle which was discovered in his trailer (not after 7 searches but 7 entries - a very common misconception). 1st entry was a body check only and before they found the RAV, 2nd was for a PC serial number and the auto trader book, 3rd was for the rifle, etc etc until the 7th entry which was for a thorough search of the bedroom.
Then there's the circumstantial evidence against him: The *67 calls to her phone before arrival + non *67 call after. Him taking off work that day and not returning which even according to him he never did. His property being the last stop she made that day on her photo shoots, as well as being her last known location and him being the last known person to see her.
And the anecdotal evidence against him: Bobby testifying he saw her with him the day of the crime. Robert Fabian testifying he saw Avery burning things in the barrel they later found her electronics. The auto trader woman who says Teresa mentioned the creepy behavior of Avery to.
You even have misinformation over here. There's tons of evidence against Avery. Just see my above post.
As for the fingerprints, would you care to guess how many of Teresa's were found in the RAV? It was her own vehicle she used for work almost every day. Had to be a lot, right? Try 6. 6 total fingerprints and many of them weren't even on the RAV itself, but instead on water bottles and a CD case. Cars are notoriously bad for maintaining fingerprints. It's no surprise Avery's weren't found, plus there's just the option he was wearing gloves.
I don’t know the truth besides this…the investigation was trash and they needed to do a better job to actually prove beyond reasonable doubt
Being mean does not mean a killer
Really? No kidding. It's the overwhelming evidence that makes him guilty.
We need to make a Federal Law that all American citizens under the age of 25 cannot be questioned or held in custody without an independently sourced attorney both present & consulted first. If defendant cannot afford an attorney - the state will be compelled to pay for one selected exclusively by defendant - NOT the state. A law like this would serve as a good check on abusive LE and protecting the Constitutional rights of younger people
I think 25 is pushing it.
For minors, and for obvious cases of mental/comprehensive problems, I totally agree.
Yet you want to give 12-year-olds the capacity to sterilize themselves for the rest of their lives? Make it make sense? If you're old enough to do the crime, you should be old enough to do the time.
@christievanderlaan7575 yea, I like to aim high in negotiations so where we land in compromise is rational
The mother allowed them to question him
MAM soft served us LIES 😂😂😂 RIP TERESA HALBACH ❤️🙏🏽❤️
You can’t trust the Netflix show to include everything even the things that make him look guilty, you shouldn’t base your opinion on only the show. The fact he was being creepy towards her and she showed up dead at his place is really enough, he more likely than not killed her. The dude is a creep, he threw a live cat on a fire, it’s certainly a clever propaganda piece to make anyone feel sympathy for that monster.
All these true crime shows require more research. They are only interested in getting ratings. They shade stuff, leave out evidence, and create drama/controversy to sell the show.
False confession? After 16yrs, one'd think he'd retract.
The 2 kids that found her literally said “when we find her” , then the other cut him off and said “if we find her……”. Then they magically found her a few hours later. They knew
so you are telling everyone is in to save county money? fool
They knew what? What did they know? What’s the idea?
The kids that found her? What are you even talking about? She wasn't found by kids, her cremated remains were found by a forensics team executing a search warrant, and the largest pieces of her found at that time were smaller than a postage stamp. You think kids found her intact body? Then you know nothing about this case.
Very clearly the optimist vs pessimist views of the search party. Do you also believe John Ramsey killed his daughter solely because he immediately said in a press conference he would "Spend the rest of his life hunting the killer"? That alone is not evidence.
He’s guilty
Always listen to your gut instincts and don’t let anyone talk you into ignoring them. Teresa never wanted to go back to the Avery’s. She was creeped out by and afraid of Steven. (He greeted her once wearing only a towel.) Avery specifically requested Teresa come to do the photo shoot on October 31, 2005. She did not want to go, but Auto Trader talked her into going. Avery is a monster and is exactly where he belongs.
I wonder if he thought the world owed him a rape (& he had to murder her to cover it up) because he was falsely convicted of the first crime. I also wonder if he thought the police would have to let him get away with it because of his first false conviction & years in jail. I do think the false conviction that initially sent him to jail was a mistake in good faith because of his own criminal & bad behavior. I think it’s evil what the cops & prosecutors did to Avery’s mentally-handicapped nephew; I don’t know how they sleep at night.
@@southbug27 I truly believe he made a pass at her that was obviously rejected, he then probably snapped and grabbed her or something, and that’s probably when she said something to the effect of
“ wait till I tell on you” with his lawsuit hanging in the balance and his newfound reputation of the good guy that was wrongly convicted, this is when he made the decision that she was never leaving his property alive to tell anyone anything… I FULLY BELIEVE this is what happened.
He also used a fake name and his sister's phone to call her and set up the appointment. He wasn't upfront with her about where she was meeting him ahead of time either (there is a message of her asking for directions and stating she didn't know where she was going.)
Steven has a history of being abusive to women. He treated his wife and girlfriend like trash. He threatened to kill his first wife and told his kids about it. He coerced his teenage brother to film himself having sex with his wife, and then hit on his brother's wife. His teenage niece accused him of rope. I believe that he might have wanted to have sex with Theresa and tried to force himself on her. He never explained why he called her cellphone several times after she was killed and tried to conceal his number when he called her two times before. Also, it's too coincidental that he would have started a bonfire on his property the same day she went missing. Steven is a bad man who is obsessed with a perverted sex life. I don't have a problem believing that he's guilty.
@@Gitn2it he’s 10000% GUILTY, That Netflix doc was terrible and I feel for Teresa’s family because they are the ones who got REVICTIMIZED By it, with so many people coming out saying he was innocent and wanting him out of prison when he savagely murdered Teresa and took her away from her friends and family , the whole thing is terrible
This is the most open and shut case in legal history… how on earth could anyone try to pretend this monster is innocent!?!?!?
Which case?
By actually paying attention to the facts? Like yeah he probably killed her but it was handled by a bunch of shady cops at best and crooked scumbags at worst. From cops who were explicitly told not to be a part of the investigation for this exact reason but still “found” some of the most incriminating evidence when they have the highest level of conflicted interest, to interrogating a handicapped minor with no lawyer or guardian present which violates every corner of the fourth amendment, this was handled like absolute shit. So I wouldn’t say this is open and shut at all exclusively because the investigation was fumbled so laughably.
I’ve heard this case described a bunch of ways, “open and shut” is not one of them. I’m thinking you must be referring to a different case
Very good point. Making a Murder did a lot of unfair editing BS -- I don't know how else to say it because, you're right. Why else would Avery change his story so many times? Besides the obvious ones, there's a lot more inconsistencies and lies than I initially thought.
@@grimster41 Did you just watch Making a Murder or something? Because that's about right according to them. But it's not right, it's just a narrative ... u know, the protagonist / hero (Avery) and the monster (Kratz)? That's not real though. They were just doing their jobs. But at least you realize he probably killed her. Now, you just have to get through the rest of the crap. I had to too. I think it probably doesn't matter what I say because that show really is powerful but it's also very manipulative ... Colborn seeing the plates and stuff ... that's complete horse poo ---- And they are the ones who decided it would be best for them not to be there without an officer present. But you have to figure, it was their county and it was their decision to make. Saying they weren't suppose to be there is again, part of the narrative. Making a Murdering flipped that part around without us knowing it. ------- just like you'd do with a card trick -- it's exactly like that. All they would have needed to do was put her vehicle anywhere where it could be found (not cover it up and remove the plates) .......... that's all .... since it had Avery's blood in it --- because once you test that blood, it would come back right away as Avery's and tah-dah --- But how could they possibly know it was his blood? Because they planted it? But remember how hard the defense fought to not have the blood tested for EDTA? Because they knew exactly what would be found .... it would be found that they didn't get the blood from the vial .... so that means they had to get it from Avery's bathroom .... and then they would have had to get it to her vehicle very quickly ... but where was her vehicle? On the property? They just pulled it up on a trailer while Avery was at Menards? Or was it in town and they pushed it to the property from miles away ... or did they drive it? ---- That kid is not handicapped -- that is part of the narrative. Would it change the story if you knew that Brendan knew ahead of time that this was going to take place? For example, if Avery talked to him that morning and told him to come over after school? Then would he have had the chance to save her life ... like all day?? But chose to knock instead?? It's something to consider because I already know the answer to this. The victims of this story are actually the monsters no matter how you stretch it.
I generally agree with Candace Owens but if you side with LE on this case AFTER watching the Brendan Dassey interrogation video, then you are a cold hearted individual
You spell like I imagine her audience spells
@@jeromedawson1753I think you mean punctuation, genius. Considering they didn't spell a single word incorrectly.
Btw, we use periods at the end of sentences.
@penskepc2374 well they've edited it genius, as I see you have also! I meant spelling, that's why I wrote that
@@jeromedawson1753 dude it’s the RUclips comment section, not my post doc thesis. Relax.
Interesting take...
The fact anyone thinks he didn't rape and kill Teresa shows how easy it is to fool people and that is what making a murderer did. When you know the case in depth then it's obvious, very very obvious he done it. Just do a bit of research. Educate yourself on the lay out and the facts. For it not to be Avery would need the most unlikely impossible chain of events every in history
Honestly, Steven COULD have done it, but he'd have to be the best crime scene cleaner since Dexter, and that place was NOT clean whatsoever. Even if he did, and covered it up as well as he did, then left her car on his property, that investigation did way more than necessary to provide reasonable doubt. That's what it's supposed to be about. It in NO WAY glosses over the piece of shit Avery could be, he did kill a cat after all. He was also jailed wrongfully and was no doubt scarred from that prior experience. Jail isn't for the weak. Making a Murderer in no way made him a hero, just a bumpkin hick who was wrongfully accused. The county definitely had motive if it was an investigation into the murder or Avery, to show a parallel
Too much doesn’t add up about the case for me.
You're kidding, right? There was a ton of evidence left over and that's why Avery is in prison, because he's guilty.
Don’t forget if he was such an “expert cleaner” why wouldn’t he of crushed the rav4 … when he was seen using the car crusher a day before the rav4 was found.. how does hiliges get her daily planner when it was proven she had it on her the day she went missing.. only reason that was proven was cause she got a call for an appointment and told the caller “I got to pull over and jot this down” and that appointment wasn’t in her digital daily planner that she had on her computer..
Don't believe that Steven would be smart enough to clean up his supposed crime scene . It's Alot of crooked characters involved in this saga..
Her body was burned in a fire pit 10 feet away from where Steven Avery sleeps at night, this fact alone tells you all you need to know about his guilt, you don’t need videos or documentaries, just use a little common sense
Idk about this
Avery had big reason to not get in any legal trouble-life changing settlement on the way, freedom after losing 18yrs of his life….
I just cannot wrap my head around that particular department being involved with the investigation/searches…
This really took his mother and father down which broke my heart
Business effected in a big way that the old man started from NOTHING
1000% not guilty
Steven is a sexual deviant. I don't know how you can overlook the rope of his underage niece, the fact that he coerced his teenage brother into filming having sex with his wife, and then hitting on his brother's wife. He also called Teresa twice while trying to conceal his number, and then called her phone twice after she was killed, on the pretext that he wanted her to come back and take a picture of a dirty piece of machinery that belonged to his sister. I definitely don't buy that.
@@Gitn2itIf he’s such a deviant, why had he never sued for ?
@@Brunobeaudy Well, he told his niece that if she said anything, he'd kill her parents ... same thing he said to Jodi and many others. He could kill them and get away with it. He raped his babysitter back when he was still married, attempted a kidnapping, gave his daughter hickies, knocked his son's teeth out, drug his dog home all bloody holding the leash out the window of his pickup, grabbed Kayla's boobs (age 14), grabbed other young girl boobs (age 13, 14) ----> feel free to defend him.
I thought he was innocent until I started looking at court documents, interviews etc. they show a whole different side than what the making a murderer showed. The creators themselves said that evidence was left out of their documentary. You see the other interviews Brendan did and everything he said lined up with the physical evidence, even the timeline he said lined up.
Of course Candace Owens and Daily Wire would have some hit piece documentary
Very much a hit. Much more truthful than making a murderer.
Klandice Owens and the daily wire? Yikes and yuck lol
Avery is guilty. The whole Avery family are a bunch of creeps.
Too many things dont add up. There should've been blood and marks all over that bed and garage yet nothing looked disturbed. One thing i know for sure is that it didnt happen they way its portrayed. Brendan was railroaded at the very least and this has to be one of the biggest miscarriage of justice ive ever heard of. Stewart james convinced me that blood was planted and the key was ridiculous as far as evidence based on the number of searches and by the men who were their shouldnt have been. Colburn and link will pay in this life or the next.
Joji Obara murdered and dismembered Lucie Blackman with a chainsaw in his condo and yet no DNA evidence was ever found and brought to trial. The Dupont family murders most likely occurred within the home in each of their beds and yet no DNA evidence was ever found despite their bodies being buried right out back. Point is, it does happen.
They can't "decide" where he killed her...he can clean a room and garage so we'll there's zero evidence...but leaves charred bones in the backyard? That have been decisively moved? If I was Avery, that fire would've been burning until the day they arrested me...what they expect us to believe is crazy....
Poor kid. He was screwed over by disgusting, scum detectives. If there is a hell, I hope they burn. My son is in special education and I could absolutely see hm getting railroaded. Makes me sick.
Avery may be guilty, but I don't think the kid did anything.
That was also how they got the west Memphis 3. They main guy they brought in was developmentally impaired and was coerced into saying that he and the other two committed the crimes. The other two were only guilty of not helping their case by being sassy teenagers like we all once were. It’s insane how much this kind of thing happens.
The dead women should make you sick weirdo.
They tried to give him a plea deal. You know how hard a confession is to overturn?
@Poison Clan : the good question is SA has been fairly trialed ? Do think of it , take your time. Time has no value for those who sit in jail.
@@bhillis99 No, I don’t know how hard it is to be in jail for no reason or rhyme, twice a life How many times will they act almost standards ?
If Avery didn't kill her then who did?
How did her car end up on his property?
How did her remains end up in his fire pit?
Someone not only had to kill her but then plant all that evidence? Avery clearly did it b/c there is no reasonable alternative. Oddities and ironies are not reasonable doubt. Cops may have planted extra evidence like the key fob to strengthen their case but getting caught by bad cops doesn't make him less guilty.
Dassey Brother killed her.
Police planted the evidence because of 36million.
Steven Avery sued Manitowoc County, its former sheriff, and its former district attorney after he was wrongfully convicted of sexual assault and attempted murder in 1985. Avery served 18 years in prison before being exonerated in 2003 based on DNA evidence. The lawsuit sought compensation for the wrongful conviction, alleging that law enforcement officials had failed to turn over exculpatory evidence and had mishandled the investigation.
In 2005, before the lawsuit was settled, Avery was arrested again, this time for the murder of Teresa Halbach. The lawsuit was eventually settled for $400,000, which Avery used to help pay for his legal defense in the murder trial. The circumstances of his second arrest and trial became the focus of the Netflix documentary series "Making a Murderer."
The absolute worst part of all of this is Brenden didn't have anything at all to do with any of this. And, Steven was convicted based on the "confession" Brenden didn't even really give, therefore, both are completely innocent. Bobby Dassey did this, police and prosecutors and judges know and they let that sicko testify against his uncle and own mentally challenged little brother because that's the way it is. They were not about to let Steven live his life after they already set him up for something he didn't do and again, everyone knew he didn't r@pe that lady. This case is disgusting! They both should be free and Sicko Bobby should be in prison!
@@andrewthornton6192 I've watched the "interrogation" and so called "confession" and there's no evidence that supports anything Brenden said or agreed to.
Avery is 100% guilty. There is some debate to be had with Dassey, but arguing for Avery is laughable
@@penskepc2374 Based on what evidence??
@@babygirl1755did u even watch the video
@babygirl1755 Teresa's vehicle found on his property with his blood and sweat DNA inside. Burned remains containing a piece of nearly every bone in Teresa's body found in his fire pit on his property. Teresa's electronics found in his burn barrel on his property. Key for the vehicle with his touch DNA on it found in his trailer. Multiple bullets, one of which had her DNA on it, and was ballistically matched to the. 22 caliber rifle he owned and was hanging above his bed. Luminol reactant spot in his garage near the lawn mower, which Brendan described in his May 2006 drawing. And that's just the physical evidence. I can give you the circumstantial as well if you'd like.
I'd also like to mention that pointing the finger at Bobby is exactly what people who defend Avery are supposed to be against. There's zero physical evidence against Bobby Dassey, only anecdotal that has popped up years later after the fact, and yet people want to put the blame on him instead. Everything I can find shows the guy is living a quiet life with wife and kid(s), never had a criminal history, and probably doesn't even want to be associated with the name Avery.
I don't really have a strong opinion on Steven Avery's guilt. I do believe there was enough reasonable doubt to support a verdict of not guilty due to the police's mismanagement of the case due to their hard on for Avery. However, Brendan Dassey is completely innocent and his conviction is a travesty. I don't even believe he saw the body being burned, but even if he had, who would blame a 16 yr old kid of being scared to talk? The fact that they didn't even use Brendan's confession against Avery speaks volumes to their confidence in it. That poor kid has been wrongfully imprisoned for 16 years and despite his conviction being vacated twice, the state still kept pushing because without that confession, they have no case. Free Brendan now
The judge in the case actually made a very good ascertation about what "reasonable doubt" is before the trial got underway and made these comments to the jury: "A reasonable doubt is not a doubt which is based on mere guesswork or speculation." (Page 35 of the trial transcripts). Keeping this in mind and focusing on the framing defense his attorneys used, it actually makes sense to me that they found him guilty. There's never been any proof of framing to ever surface, only speculation of it.
I'd also call into question other cases. If you think Barry Morphew (very recently) is guilty or Scott Peterson is guilty (2000's), there's a heck of a lot more evidence in the Avery case than either of those. One has already been found guilty, and the other is most likely going to face his day in court at some point.
@@RavensFanJ I don't really have strong feelings about Steven. His case gets too much attention Brendan meanwhile gets a tenth of the attention when he's the one who was wrongfully convicted
@steamyrv Brendan's a tough one, for sure. There's plenty of points in his confession, though, that he mentions things that correlate with the case or evidence involved in the case, leading me to believe he played some part in the crime. How big a part is still up for debate. I'd recommend watching the whole thing. Just a quick example would be after the "ah ha" moment when they ask him "Who shot her in the head?". Everyone knows he tells the investigators Steven did it. But making a murderer cuts off the tape after that. A few seconds later, completely unprovoked or unaided he says "He shot her with the .22". A detail they never mention.
@@RavensFanJ Brendan's confession was coerced. There was no evidence against him. The head shooting thing he gets it wrong multiple times. First he said cut her hair, detectives tell him no, it takes several guesses before he says shot in the head. Brendan's original public defender was removed from the caseby the Judge for not showing up to hearing. The attorney allowed police to interview Brendan alone. He had to be replaced before trial began but the damage was already done. The police had their confession and despite the fact that he was convicted, the prosecutor in the Avery case didn't enter the confession into evidence. Brendan's conviction was overturned by 2 federal courts where 3 seperate judges found that the confession was coerced and inadmissible. Despite than the state appealed the rulings instead of going forward with a new trial because without the confession they had no evidence. A 7 judge panel on the Court of appeals (which is one lead below the supreme Court) voted 4-3 to reinstate the conviction because Brendan didn't ask for a lawyer. SCOTUS refused to hear the case. Brendan confessed to sexual assault and said Teresa was killed in Steven Avery's bedroom. However no DNA evidence was found that she was ever in that room, hence why the assault and false imprisonement charges had to be dropped. The only reason Brendan is in jail is because he was a 16 year old mentally challenged kid who was interrogated for over 4 hours by 2 detectives without either a parent or an attorney present. He is innocent.
@@steamyrv It's not illegal to question a minor in the state of Wisconsin without a parent or guardian in relation to a murder investigation, just saying.
There's also plenty of things he did not seem to know in the interrogation, yes. But I asked you specifically about the things he did know that only someone who was there could have. The .22 caliber rifle as the murder weapon, where Teresa lay in the garage by the mower and luminol reacted to the stain, how he knew about what items were covering the RAV without being told - and then explaining how they were placed there. And these are just a few. Some of these details you can't know without at minimum someone telling you.
He was a deviant who was SAing his nephew and killed Theresa. Period. You cannot listen to the unedited content and evidence and come up with any other conclusion. People are gullible to a fault. Think critically.
Candice Owen's RUclips channe is alwaysl spreading hate about people in the entertainment industry. So she would be a great person to help this, with her tendency to use the term allegedly. She knows nothing that is a fact. She just runs on rumors.
Avery is completely guilty. How do you find a victims car and burned body on someones property, who that person specifically requested for her to come, and he was the last person to see her (which he initially denied seeing her at all), and not believe he is guilty? I do feel bad for Dassey though. I do not think he knowingly took part in the burning of her body and only noticed halfway through there was a body in there. He was also very scared of Avery after being physically and sexually abused by him and threatened. Also, Teresa car was hidden in the back of the property and only one covered with wood and branches in a terrible attempt to conceal it. Avery is also very dumb so he probably thought this would work.
It's not totally implausible but I just can't leave this case alone... I just don't think he done this... The nephew that's still free if you ever have the chance to see him in person you can't deny the evil vibes that flow off him. The elected officials from this county are twisted and out to cover their own arss..
@@leahannhughes8673 He did it. I do think there were some incompetent individuals on the prosecution/county side but they live in a small town rural America. This isnt CSI New York. When looking at the evidence without bias, there is FAR MORE showing he did it than any showing he didnt do it.
He could indeed be guilty but there is evidence of planting DNA, and his trial was probably unfair. Dassey is definitely innocent. Dassey is the one I really want to see released.
@@Mott2what you're saying is just not true, he never denied seeing her. Come with the correct facts, or see yourself out of the discussion. There is a car crusher on the property, that Avery knew how to run it, doesn't stand to reason that he would just park the car on the salvage lot and hope no one would come to check. Use your brain! The evidence doesn't add up to Avery being guilty. Period.
@@Odawg292002 It literally says it in the video he initially denied seeing her. LMAO
The fact that Brendan is in jail when there is no evidence to support any of the details he ‘confessed’ to. Regardless of whether or not Steven had something to do with TH’s death. It’s pretty clear Brendan did not. IMO Steven deserves a new trial due to the massive conflict of interest having that took place during the investigation.
Brenden was offered a plea deal where he would have been out of prison by now.
@@bhillis99 would of had to admit guilt.
@@bhillis99That doesn't change any of the facts.
There's even more evidence against Avery than there is in the Scott Peterson and Barry Morphew investigations, just to name a few.
The biggest evidence against Avery is: The RAV found on his property with both his and Teresa's blood in multiple places within. Her remains found in his burn pit and burn barrels, along with her electronic devices. Bullets found in his garage, one of which had Teresa's DNA on it and was ballistically matched to the. 22 caliber rifle that hung above his bed. A luminol reactant spot in the garage near the mower Dassey claimed her body was by. The key to Teresa's vehicle which was discovered in his trailer (not after 7 searches but 7 entries - a very common misconception). 1st entry was a body check only and before they found the RAV, 2nd was for a PC serial number and the auto trader book, 3rd was for the rifle, etc etc until the 7th entry which was for a thorough search of the bedroom.
Then there's the circumstantial evidence against him: The *67 calls to her phone before arrival + non *67 call after. Him taking off work that day and not returning which even according to him he never did. His property being the last stop she made that day on her photo shoots, as well as being her last known location and him being the last known person to see her.
And the anecdotal evidence against him: Bobby testifying he saw her with him the day of the crime. Robert Fabian testifying he saw Avery burning things in the barrel they later found her electronics. The auto trader woman who says Teresa mentioned the creepy behavior of Avery to.
I think the only physical evidence was that there were bleach stains on the trousers he was wearing when they scrubbed the garage. There were also several aspects of his testimony that he gave that were later corroborated.
So her remains were found on his property. He was the last to see her alive. Made calls to her cell phone the day and time of her disappearance. Confronted her in just a towel on a previous visit. Has a history of violence and rape towards women. He sure sounds innocent to me. NOT! Put me on the jury. I’d have convicted him in a heart beat and slept like a baby regardless of allegedly questionable police work.
I think the police department was incompetent but I also thinking some questions really need to be asked about whether Avery is really as innocent as they say. He does hv a history of violence against women.
Michael Bargo burnt a 15 year olds body to ash in an open fire pit.
Even Brendan's story about the fire doesn't make any sense. There's no way a body could burn that fast on an open bonfire.
Then where was she burned and who moved her bones to the burn pit?
Forensic anthropologists have stated that there is no way that the heat generated from a fire pit could burn bones that quickly or that much. So this raises serious questions.
Those are analysts for the defense. Eisenberg was the original Forensic Anthropologist working the case and testified that the burn pit was most likely the primary burn location as the bones showed no sign of breakage. There was also a piece of nearly every bone in Teresa's body found in the pit.
@@RavensFanJ This is the same person who identified a fetus in a burn pit in the Rudy murder case in the next county. Oops they found the body in the river with the fetus in tack. They knew who to bring in and who ( Deb K ) to keep out . Where did you get that the found a piece of every bone.. ?
@golfinspired2058 Hey man, mistakes do happen. Even for expert analysts. I'd have to read more about that Rudy case to comment more there, though.
Debra Kakatsch was kept off the scene because Avery was suing Manitowoc County, and she was the Manitowoc County coroner. There wasn't a conspiracy there, they did that to help with concerns of conflict of interest. Before someone comments about the officers in the case, Avery was not suing Manitowoc Sheriff's Office. Calumet County took the lead but asked not only Manitowoc County but Kiel and Marinette County for assistance as well.
Eisenberg's trial testimony has comments about a piece of almost every bone from Teresa's body south of the neck being found in Avery's burn pit.
I've been over this case dozens of times in the past years and it still has me puzzled today. All I can see in this whole thing is that a very puzzled young man got himself into something whether he did or didn't do it ,he cannot get out of.
Didnt
did you watch the part in this video where they recount his prior convictions? how exactly do you feel that him being guilty is a stretch of the imagination given the circumstances?
I believe the boy is covering up for someone. And I don't think it's Steven
No Brenden could have saved Teresa Halbach’s life yet he didn’t step up to his uncle or get out of the situation and went and told an adult. Nah instead he helped his uncle because he was scared of him.
Don’t you think it’s time to stop talking, to stop walking ? Truth shall overcome.
If Candice Owens thinks he's guilty, that is 100% good enough for me....
...to KNOW he's innocent!
The cops couldn't have been more corrupt. And I will NEVER understand how Brandon's attorney didn't get disbarred over him doing all he could to be sure his client went to prison.
Most people forget that the documentary was made IN REAL TIME! Not years later, but as it is happening. You hear cops asking if Avery has been arrested yet before a body is even found. You hear cops laugh when reading the letter asking Steve to be a guest at a dinner, saying he won't be there. Once again, before a body was even found. The SAME COP FOUND ALL THE EVIDENCE, WHO WAS BEING SUED BY AVERY!!!
They ask if he's in custody yet. This was following the discovery of the RAV on the property. If you think not taking a person into custody for questioning and interrogation after a dead person's vehicle is discovered on their property is weird, you need to watch more true crime.
3:04 that is Ken Kratz the DA not the former sheriff
3:07 not Denis Vogel, that is Steven Avery’s attorney
Denis Vogel, Brendan's ever so helpful attorney. ::eye roll:
@@diannebdeeno wasn't that that guy that looks like he's off the box of a Lucky Charms
I was on side Avery during making a murderer. However after convicting a murderer I was completely against him and his nephew
I stopped watching the Netflix show, when it became clear they were hiding facts of the case and just manipulating the viewer.
No one licks boots quite like Coondace Owens.
While some cops are serial killers capable of murdering an innocent woman to frame a political enemy and threat like Avery, it isn’t likely. It would be less complicated to do a hit on Avery and stage it look like a bad drug deal or personal vendetta. No one to collect on law suit, mystery person to blame, victim not likely to get as much attention as an innocent photographer, and your department is tasked with investigating without any need to call in other departments. If they had known about the idiot cousin, they could have still pinned it on him an a fight that got out of hand. Kill a degenerate, blame a degenerate all within the same family. Far nearer and cleaner than involving an innocent person and their family needing justice.
It’s the timing. How are the cops going to learn that Avery requested Halbach for services and intercept her to kill her and frame Avery. If a worker doesn’t show up, don’t you call the agency? The theory of Avery’s guilt makes much more sense with higher probability.
@@Christopherianmatt No one's saying the cops killed Halbach. In fact that's part of the problem with the prosecution (again not trying to say Avery's innocent) just saying there were other potential killers around (like Brendan's brother for instance). But no one thinks the cops actually killed her. In Making, they allege that the police rushed thru on their first theory that Avery did it and then browbeat Dassey into backing it up along with planting actual evidence in convenient locations. Really it's a comedy of scumbags...everyone involved in this seemed dirty to some degree. Maybe Dassey was part of the killing...but we'll never truly know because of the flawed interviews.
Agreed that they are all scumbags but who is the biggest scumbag? In a small town like that usually the people who looks for power so cops, prosecutors etc.
@@Duzykutas You've obviously never been to that town and probably not a similar small town. The city and county officials in small towns are usually far less corrupt than those in large cities and they are far from the biggest scumbags in those towns
Her body was burned in a fire pit 10 feet away from where Steven Avery sleeps at night, this fact alone tells you all you need to know about his guilt, you don’t need videos or documentaries, just use a little common sense
"it's all bout the money" remember the 36 Millions?? how convenient it was for them not to pay S.Avery after convicting him for the murder of this poor woman so fast !
Her body was burned in a fire pit 20 feet from Steven Avery’s trailer, that’s irrefutable FACTS, explain it please…
Candace Owens is involved? Stopped watching this video as soon as I heard she was involved. And won’t watch anything she has any involvement in.
I truly believe he made a pass at her that was obviously rejected, he then probably snapped and grabbed her or something, and that’s probably when she said something to the effect of
“ wait till I tell on you” with his lawsuit hanging in the balance and his newfound reputation of “the good guy that was wrongly convicted” this is when he made the decision that she was never leaving his property alive to tell anyone anything… I FULLY BELIEVE this is the closest scenario to what happened that day.
No evidence of that but go on
@@justinpruitt9285the evidence says she was on his property that day and was killed there then burned in Avery’s fire pit, so yeah my scenario could have easily happened
How can this injustice upon these men continue? How can the might of America not intervene? It's outrageous.
Because Steven Avery is guilty
@TJ-pl8xl what about the boy? And did you have Avery guilty for his first prison stint, smarty pants?
Because the might of United States doesn't bow to the wishes of a garbage "documentary" that fooled gullible viewers.
@@documax123 no not for the first one
@@__foam oddly enough there was better evidence against Avery in the first case, being as there was an eyewitness and all.... how'd that work out? I personally have no idea either way, but this case doesn't pass the smell test.
The prosecution gave an entire story line which was more than ridiculous then he was charged with sexting!
I can’t believe this could happen in America
I agree completely that Making a Murderer was biased. But I don't expect the truth to come out of any project that involves Candace Owens, so I'll pass on the new show.
Theresa Halbach's burned body and her car was found on Steven Averys property.
Steven believes it was his brothers that killed Theresa
Set up !
There's no such thing as "sweat DNA."
Are you saying there isn't DNA in sweat or that it just isn't called "sweat DNA"?
@@caisymoore1539 DNA is DNA, to call it Sweat DNA is to imply they know the transfer medium which they did not prove .
It's referred to as "slough DNA" in the community. It was a sweat and skin cell mixture, which commonly gets called sweat DNA by laymen.
Ken Kratz lives to talk about sweat. I'm serious XD
Oh yeah there is buster.
Skip this, watch convicting a murderer. See how bad you were manipulated by social media, netflix, news.
mentally challenged underage person interrogated multiple times alone without rep or parents is all you need to see to know the law enforcement officials were wrong and illegal. They should have been charged as well
I never knew there was a debate. He did it
I know. I have NO idea why anyone thinks that Avery is innocent.
I don’t know if Avery is guilty, but I do know there wasn’t enough trusted evidence to convict him. Brendan should never have been incarcerated. The fact is that the cops bungled this case so badly, I’ll never, ever believe anything that entire county says. It’s terrible that Theresa’s family might never see true justice. From what I understand, they feel like the right people are paying, but I don’t know how you could see all the mistakes that were made and feel comfortable about any of it. This is such a polarizing case. Either you think he’s completely innocent or totally guilty. I think the cops muddied the waters and they’ll never settle.
The judge in the case actually made a very good ascertation about what "reasonable doubt" is before the trial got underway and made these comments to the jury: "A reasonable doubt is not a doubt which is based on mere guesswork or speculation." (Page 35 of the trial transcripts). Keeping this in mind and focusing on the framing defense his attorneys used, it actually makes sense to me that they found him guilty. There's never been any proof of framing to ever surface, only speculation of it.
I'd also call into question other cases. If you think Barry Morphew (very recently) is guilty or Scott Peterson is guilty (2000's), there's a heck of a lot more evidence in the Avery case than either of those. One has already been found guilty, and the other is most likely going to face his day in court at some point.
@@RavensFanJ my biggest question is around the forensic evidence. If he stabbed, raped, and dismembered her, why didn’t they find any DNA? These folks don’t strike me as criminal masterminds. They all have below average IQ’s. The most skilled criminals leave evidence behind. I know they found the bone fragments in the burn barrel and blood droplets in her car, but is it possible for the burn barrel to get hot enough to burn her to fragments? His exerts said no, but that’s what they’re paid to say. Did they ever find any anywhere else? I’m starting to be swayed more to the guilty side. I just have questions. Scott and Barry were the husbands also. It’s almost always the person closest to the victim. I think that’s why it’s easier to believe their guilt. Scott had mostly circumstantial evidence, but it was so much, it couldn’t be a coincidence. Barry just seems like a slime ball to me, but there definitely isn’t enough to convict him yet. Maybe we’ll see something change now that they’ve found her body. I’m going to watch Convicting a Murderer.
@bronwyngavin6076 Sorry, I just saw your reply now! RUclips is bad about notifications sometimes.
There's plenty of true crime cases that show just how fickle DNA can be. Example: Joji Obara murdered and dismembered Lucie Blackman in his condo with a chainsaw, and yet no DNA evidence was ever found to bring to trial. Same thing for the Dupont family murders, except it was being shot in each of their beds with a .22 caliber rifle.
As for the bone fragments, they did find them in other places around the property and nearby quarries. This strongly suggests that Avery's fire pit was the primary burn site as there would be no need to burn who elsewhere, and then scatter them in other places besides his pit if someone was trying to frame him. It's much more likely he was scattering them around trying to disperse them evenly so they wouldn't be found. This is also corroborated by Brendan's confession.
I'm happy to answer any other questions you have if RUclips actually notifies me this time lol
The crime scene doesn’t seem to make any sense. If Avery is the killer, I definitely don’t think it happened anything like the theory the prosecution gave
It was Bobby dassey who lied on stand.
I haven't seen the video yet, but all i know is it was definitely Brendan's older brother. I knew in the foest series but then the second confirmed it with what they found on his computer
Lol So what your saying is Steven Avery is rotting in jail all these years to protect Brendan’s older brother?????? 😂😂😂 you do realize Teresa’s body was Burned in a fire pit 10 feet from where Steven Avery sleeps, so if it wasn’t him who did the crime he knows who did, so he’s willing to rot in jail all this time and never once pointed the finger at Brendan’s brother? Lmao the fact that he hasn’t said anything only proves Stevens GUILT that much more that it was he himself who did the murder, this isn’t rocket science, just use a little common sense.
You obviously didn't bother to look them up yourself. If you did, you'd find the context of those searches was blown out of proportion by the media and jumped on by the defense. Not only is it false that Bobby was verified to have made them, but the searches labeled "violent" and "disturbing" were for the search terms "girl guts" and "seeing bones hot girls". By themselves that may sound kind of strange. But when you look at the searches also made at those times you find "pregnant horny" and "skinny hot girls". These weren't searches made by someone looking for a murder fetish. They were made by a horny (most likely teenager) who wanted to see girls with big guts/pregnant and girls so skinny you can see their bones. Do a little digging next time.
i’ve always understood steven avery to be guilty- so was pleased to see this new doc coming. but candace owens? really? she has about as much credibility as charles manson
Strong, opinionated black women trigger liberals.
@@localguy5402 I am far from a liberal, but the person is right. She has no credibility with this. People trained on this case is where credibility lies, like law enforcement, lawyers, etc.
You don't need some "expert" from the government or lawyers to narrate are you kidding me also comparing Candice Owens to Charles Manson is disgusting
@@jerwur39l94That's baffling, how can someone evaluate that woman's credibility for a voice acting job, really, by comparing her to Charles Manson? I guess when you feel so morally superior to people you hate and are used to everyone in your bubble agreeing with your judgement, you end up exposing yourself as someone accostumed to talk plainly stupid and lacking a sense of self awareness.
@@TheYarcob What does it have to do with Charles Manson, though?
Candace Owens is the last person to be neutral on anything.
Steven during this time was molesting his niece and his nephew spoke with too much detail to just pull out of his head even if he was coursed. Its more plausible that he did this than the whole police department conspiring against this guy. If you can rape your own family member you can certainly go even further. Guilty as hell in my book.
Oh man, what a great comment. So logical and also well said.
Steven phoned her work ..he had her personal number ..why would he phone her work to lure her out ..teresa was the only photographer in that area.. dont get me started on the towel story ffs .. he was in his pool ..she knocked in the door..he got out if the pool .. wrapped a towel round him and answered the door ...what is wrong with that ..if he had got in the house dried off..put on a dressing gown ..the person at the door might be gone.. he lured her with a false name ..really ..his sister asked him to sell the van..she had used autotrader before..her husband at the time even did a hustle shot with teresa .. 🤦🤦
They didn't have a pool.
@@micheletherese3503 Steven had a pool behind the trailer...it's in the photographs the cops took and also in the walkthrough video ... A blue small pool 👍
Sometimes RUclips doesn't give notifications appropriately so I'll drop this here as well. I don't have twitter but I do have discord under this same username. Feel free to add me!
@@RavensFanJ yeahhh that's great as I am on discord though just have to learn how to find you lol I have a discord too under the same handle name so if I don't find you try looking for mine.
@@darksideofthemoon2348 I tried sending a friend request but it didn't seem to find you. My username there is with no capitals. ravensfanj - Just like that.
This is exactly why I hate the clumsy investigation of the police. But I don’t think he had a fair trial and I still think a new trial should occur. No doubt he’s a man who struggles with his anger. But it still doesn’t make him a murdere . Just a psychopath or something like that. But then if it is so obvious then I would grant him a new trial and then let us see. Due to bias! This new show sound quite biased and I think it is time for a new trial. But as long it doesn’t happen all kinds of hypotheses are out there
First and foremost both men, Avery and his nephew have very low IQs. This has made me question if they had the ability to do this and cover it up. Watching Brandons interrogation he was fed all the information. Just from hearing him unable to answer shows his lack of ability to understand what is going on. Usually a person with low comprehension, only knows black and white. Neither one in my opinion has the ability to comprehend and pull off something this intricate. Plus being able to keep a secret like that is very hard for someone who only knows right and wrong and no gray. Of course the investigation into Teresa Haulback's disappearance was easy to focus in on Avery because they had already been really pissed off at him that he was suing them. Complete embarrassment for the police department. Of course we have no idea what really happened because the person who did it was intelligent enough to cover it up and frame someone else.
The thing is, if they did do it, they didn’t cover it up well at all. Her car was on their property - badly hidden. Her bones were in their burn pit. Her phone/camera etc were in their burn barrel. Her key was in SA’s trailer.
The argument that they were too stupid to carry out such a smooth cover up falls apart pretty quickly.
Some of Dassey’s testimony was definitely influenced by leading questions but some was clearly not. MaM only really focused on the former.
SA changed his account numerous times once his original testimony had been contradicted by other witnesses - he initially said he hadn’t used the burn pit in months, then later admitted that he used it the night Teresa disappeared. He told family members that Teresa never arrived until another member of the family said that she’d seen her approach Avery’s trailer.
Overall I’d say I’m very sure SA is guilty, I think it’s plausible but unlikely that BD is innocent and gave a false confession.
Well, he didn't cover it up did he? They got the right guy, it's clear. I don't know what's so difficult for you people to understand. Avery is a violent sociopath but he's also pretty dumb and a bit arrogant. In his low IQ mind he thought he was pulling off the perfect murder and now every one who saw this crappy documenetary thinks he's an expert on this case. LMFAO!
@@rusty6899 Because Avery is dumb. Why can't you people understand that? Not all sociopaths are Hannibal Lecter, lol.
I ask all those saying “Avery is innocent”.. how comfortable would you feel with him being your Nextdoor neighbor? Let him watch your kids? A few things can be true at once. Avery is guilty .. Dassey was wrong place wrong time and had some involvement but due to his mental capacity didn’t fully understand and he looked up to his uncle who he claimed SA’d him. The police did bungle things. Give them a new trial. I’d urge y’all to listen to both of their jail recordings to family and friends. Leans me most toward at least Avery’s guilt.
I did, and i find them highly suspect. Sone of them sound entirelynf place,
What i find more interesting, is thst there isnt even one full conversstion among the lot which strikes me as very
I’ve seen EVERYTHING on this case. Live interviews and all… bungle isn’t even the word for how this case was handled. It TOTTALY looks set up. From having investigators and officers that weren’t supposed to be involved in the case finding key evidence, absurd claims on blood and DNA traces found in certain places, but not were blood should be (KK saying it was a brutal blood bath murder scene)🙄 massive evidence that was found against other possible suspects totally dismissed and ignored *cough* Bobby Dassey *cough* and then having a severely biased judge favoring the prosecution that’s solely pushing for a conviction on both men. Pleeeeeease, anyone can see how one sided that whole case was! And Ken Kratz has no room to talk, that man is should be behind bars himself. The only reason he’s not is because he knows people who helped him and got him out of all his garbage. SMH
So how comfortable would you be letting Bobby dassey watch your kids? Be your neighbor? The guy who had violent deviant pornography mixed in with pics of mutilated female corpses in his computer. U would leave you kids with him? Cause he too is a suspect. And probably the real killer
Steven did not abuse Brendan.... Again that's kratz twisting things .. good ole pill popping sweaty narcissist kratz .. still can't believe that ken the predator is going to be in convicting.... He abused crime victims ..that's a fact ...I feel sorry for his victims.... I would be comfortable living next door to Steven .😁.. Would definitely not live next door to perv kratz..not even in the same town ..
WHAT if you were being framed ; would you have this same view; the framers could have done a little better and placed evidence at least some distance away from property; this was just foolish even for a murdered.