Thank you , very well presented, it is so wonderful that we have a Heavenly Father that has thought of everything for us! , can't comprehend this love! , so grateful for it! , thanks again, enjoy Conference everyone !
@@entelechy00 Didn't you watch the video? The Holy Bible is a little easier to understand. Before Christ's death, everyone went to the Grave. The good to Paradise (Abraham's Bosom), the bad to a place of torment. Like what we see in the parable of Lazarus and the Rich man. When Christ died, He preached to everyone in the Grave, and emptied out the Paradise side. Now, whenever we die, the righteous go to God. Later, at the Judgement, the unrighteous side will be emptied into the Lake of Fire, along with the devil and his angels. The righteous, too, shall be judged by fire. What endures will be their reward, even if it is only themselves that remains.
@@ts-900 You said it was unjust, but only explained why your belief is just. For a system to be unjust, evil is rewarded and goodness punished. Also, while what you are saying is just, I have heard others proclaim it unjust as it is too binary: no middle ground. Would it maybe be more appropriate to say due to the level of complexity, I don't know if it's just?
@@entelechy00 Well, if I understood the video correctly, the type of justice is not the same for all. And I really didn't hear about the judgements...did I miss that part?
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The concept of a mental 'hell' is that I had the knowledge to returned to live with God the Father and his son Jesus Christ, but were kept out of their presence by my own action.
Thank you for saying “Mormon”! I’m a very proud member of the church and I love the name of the church. I also am very proud of the nickname and the heritage it means.
We believe that son of perditions will be thrown into outer darkness which could be considered hell. the only once that will go there are ones that know of absolute knowledge of Jesus Christ and then denied him.
Imagine a perfect God creating mere human fathers and mothers that would superceed God by rather placing themselves in eternal hell to save their own children, but then have their own creator fail to live up to the standart of his own creation, sending most of humankind to everlasting hell..
Doctrine and Covenant 76:81-84 81 And again, we saw the glory of the telestial, which glory is that of the lesser, even as the glory of the stars differs from that of the glory of the moon in the firmament. 82 These are they who received not the gospel of Christ, neither the testimony of Jesus. 83 These are they who deny not the Holy Spirit. 84 These are they who are thrust down to hell.
Might want to fix the captions (if you can) at 2:08 where they read "D&C 1:38" instead of "D&C 138". I mean, section 1 verse 38 is an excellent scripture also, but...
I think you are incorrect starting at 6:00 -- the idea that only people with "an absolute knowledge of Jesus Christ" is an LDS cultural belief and is not scriptural the best that I can tell. D&C 132: 27 where it says "after you have received my new and everlasting covenant" refers to being baptized and accepting the gospel (although I could be wrong about that) -- so anyone who has been baptized, knows the church is true, murders someone and agrees to fight the Savior, knowing full well they are doing so, will receive endless torment. If you think I'm wrong, I'm open to your rebuttal.
While the theology doesn't match up, often times when the Bible is discussing Heaven or Hell, Latter-day Saints attribute those scriptures to the Spirit World. Also, we believe that the Spirit World's Paradise and Prison were banned from interaction until Jesus died and organized the missionary work to the Prison, which is why most of the Bible treats them as final.
I have to admit I didn't know about the marriage requirement to get to Celestial Heaven which is troubling to hear because being gay, I'm celibate. Just not sure how that works for single people who are handicapped or involuntarily single for whatever reason. But I think covenants can be performed for the dead or those unable. Or what about young adults who die before marriage?
Remember God is a resurrected, glorified being with real human emotions and thoughts. Your Father knows your heart and sees your efforts. He notices them. The highest glory easily awaits you the same just as for another man who follows Jesus Christ the best they can
I believe that you may misunderstand what she said about what we must do to be worthy of the Celestial kingdom. At 4:55 she says the Celestial kingdom is "prepared for those who have received the testimony of Jesus, made covenants with God, kept those commandments". I would refer you to a talk given by President Nelson in the April 2008 General Conference and is titled "Salvation and Exaltation". In his talk, President Nelson says that personal salvation is through "obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel", the gospel of Jesus Christ, that is. President Nelson is quoting the third article of faith here. I would also refer you to the fourth article of faith, which speaks of Faith, Repentance, Baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost. These are the ordinances that qualify us for salvation through our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Back to President Nelson's talk: he clarifies in it that salvation is a Celestial kingdom matter. In other words, having faith in Christ unto repentance, being baptized and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and then enduring in this path (ie - striving to live faithfully by keeping the commandments, and repenting when necessary), enables us to be worthy of receiving this degree of glory. Exaltation involves covenant making between a man and a woman and God. Having entered into this covenant and abiding by it, they are promised greater blessings and glory within the Celestial kingdom. Again, I would encourage you to read the talk by President Nelson that I mentioned.
my question is, what is the deep dark secret about God? in the pre-existence 1/3 of spiritis rejected Him, while knowing him. on earth, most people reject Him, though they don't know him. and then some on earth, gain the opportunity to know Him fully, yet choose perdition. There must be something...
Do you not know ? The 1/3 of spirits rejected him because they favoured Satan's plan, which involved no effort on their part - and btw no freedom of choice Not a secret. Those that don't know him - well, if they don't know him, they don't know any dark secret. The last group get offended by something they don't like about the church, or by some thing that happens to shake their faith, or some actions of God in the scriptures that they find distasteful - which is no secret.
Please read what is said about hell in the Book called Morman Doctrine by Bruce R. McConkie 2nd edition. Do the two of you match up and agree????? I'm in doubt but willing to learn ?????
@@spideyN8R Basically, if not in the D&C, I was wanting to know where the doctrines and covenants are, AND what happens to Zion if the D&C are outside of doctrine.
@@ts-900 The Doctrine and Covenants is doctrine, but that is not what we were talking about. We were talking about a different book called Mormon Doctrine which is not considered scripture.
Moral relativism: the Mormon view of Hell. (Romans 1:20-23) Accepting the price Christ paid for you on the cross: the Biblical view of how to 100% miss Hell. (John 5:24)
Nope. Alma says that death Seals fate: Alma 34:35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked.
Sorry to break it to you, but you are not correctly teaching the doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints regarding hell. Actually, the correct doctrine of our church DOES INDEED include a belief in hell, where the wicked are punished for their sins in a metaphorical "lake of fire and brimstone," meaning that the suffering there is very severe and intense. Hell is located within the spirit prison that you discussed (although apparently, not all inhabitants of spirit prison are necessarily in hell). The difference in our doctrine and that of Catholics and Protestants regarding hell are at least twofold: 1. We believe that the punishments in hell are not of eternal duration, but only for the finite duration of time that fully satisfies justice, (because it wouldn't be justice to punish someone with an infinite amount of punishment for a finite amount of sin, although they must bear their own punishment if they do not accept the atonement of Jesus Christ). Hell as an institution is eternal, but a person's punishments in that eternal place are of finite duration. 2. Not all of the people who don't merit paradise are immediately thrust down to hell right after their death, but instead a goodly number of them are waiting in the other parts of spirit prison. But some wicked persons indeed are thrust down to hell right after they die and come face to face with Jesus and receive a preliminary (not the final) judgment. I invite you to read: Doctrine and Covenants 19:15 - 20 (if we don't repent we must suffer for our own sins, very severely) Mosiah 3:25 - 27 (see D&C 19 about the meaning of "endless torment"). 2 Nephi 28:22 - 23 Alma 43:24-25 (mercy vs. justice: if no repentance, justice must be served by punishing the sinner in hell) Luke 16:22 - 23 (showing that at least some people go to hell immediately after their death, if their un-repented sins are egregious enough to merit it) 2 Nephi 9:34, 36 (some are thrust down to hell, and it seems to be implied that it is immediately after their death) Revelation 20:13 (showing that hell delivers up the people who are in it at their final judgment and resurrection). Doctrine and Covenants 76:81 - 82, 84 - 85 There are many other scriptural references that support what I'm telling you, but it would be too much to list them all here. Please, before you represent the doctrines of our Church, make sure that you correctly understand them. And please don't speak as though you are an authorized spokesperson for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but make it clear that what you state is your own understanding and opinions. This is the first video of yours that I have seen pop up in my recommended videos, so I don't know yet what other doctrinal matters you may have not correctly stated, if any. But kudos and best wishes to you, for trying to reach out and offer the great things that our Church has. But please get them right in the future, and go back and correct what you find out is not correct. Oh, and one more thing: please follow and obey the prophet of the Lord, who urged us not to call members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints "Mormons." We should be called members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or members of The Church of Jesus Christ for short. It's contrary to (and disobedient to) the revealed word of God, officially announced in General Conference on more than one occasion, to call ourselves "Mormons."
The Book of Mormon prophets believed in hell... and wrote about being thrust down to hell. Can you explain how they were actually wrong about that and taught false doctrine in the BOM?
@@dirtdarte Traditional version of hell, burning in a lake of fire and brimstone (literally). We latter-day Saints believe that the fire and brimstone mentioned is figurative.
A good video overall, however it includes a common mistake LDS make. First of YES, LDS do believe in Hell. We bifurcate Heaven and Hell very much like Traditional Christianity. So to clear this up one must understand that A "Kingdom of Glory" does not equate to a Kingdom of "Heaven". And that's the mistake this author and so many other LDS make. We often hear talks about three degrees of "Heaven".. which is true and I'll get to that, but not the way its often presented. Now in the Traditional Christian world.. After the judgement there is a bifurcation, those who are "Saved" go to "Heaven".. which is the abode of God and those who aren't saved go to Hell.. which is separation from God, and in some medieval literary constructs a place of fire and torment. So understand that in LDS theology only ONE kingdom of Glory equates to the abode of God.. That's the CELESTIAL Kingdom.. The Terrestrial and telestial kingdoms of Glory are still separation from God, even if our scriptures attaches the word "Glory" to them. Hence, LDS we subdivide "Hell". (Separation from God) into three degrees.. Terrestrial, Telestial and outer darkness.. but make no mistake.. these are all a form of "Hell" in the traditional sense, since they are eternally separated from God.. but with out the medieval imagery. In the Celestial Kingdom which is "Heaven" in the traditional sense we as LDS further subdivide it into THREE Levels. .the first two we have very little information other that those there would be ministering angels. Our church leadership focuses attention on the highest level in the Celestial Kingdom.. "Exaltation" which is in a sense akin to what some Non-LDS would equate to the doctrine of "Crowns" which are merit based rewards for the "Saved", but we as LDS have a much more rich understanding. Lastly, another little mistake.. About eternal marriage and the Celestial Kingdom.. No, it's not a requirement of the Celestial kingdom.. It's a requirement for Exaltation within the celestial Kingdom. All that is technically required to enter into the Celestial Kingdom (Heaven) is having a pure heart and faith in Christ. Baptism isn't an absolute requirement since little children are automatically heirs, as well as many other categories that the Lord judges by the heart. Those who meet this minimum requirement will be in the Celestial kingdom as Ministering angels. Exaltation on the other hand does require much much more. So it should be comforting to all that our heavenly father really does love ALL his Children.
I'm not sure that this is entirely correct as comprehensive as it seems. I know we teach infant death provides celestial privileges and that baptism is not necessary but something tells me that baptism will be required it is an ordinance of salvation even the Master submitted himself could it possibly be overlooked because you arrived home before you were eligible to be baptised. Maybe infant death qualifies you for exaltation but the ordinance occurs to me to be necessary both the baptism of water and of the Spirit it seems a matter of principle otherwise think of it when does one receive the gift of the Holy Ghost if baptism is never undertaken. The baptism of the Christ suggests that whoever you are you will need to be baptised to have a permanent place in the Celestial Kingdom of our God.
@@PeterReynolds-jz1xq I understand the impulse to believe that baptism will some how be required for the infants, even if our faith doesn't teach it. But what is baptism really? it's a ordinance of covenant making. Much like a marriage. It's something that only can be done when someone is at an accountable age, and has little to no meaning before that. Thus it's something the BECOMES required when a person reaches that accountable age. The remission of sins is more a of side benefit of making that covenant. Jesus didn't need remission of sin, but did set the example of the process of the making of the covenant to fulfill all righteousness. You know , do as I do not just as I say. The broader context of my comments to the content author above, which is more or less directed toward non-LDS. Is that the Celestial Kingdom is the only Kingdom of Glory which equates to 'Heaven'.. and the only requirement is really 'Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ'.. and even young children are heir of that kingdom, no baptism necessary. Perhaps there is some special means of covenant making for the infants that passed , in the after life that goes on that we aren't aware of.. but it's irrelevant to us here and now. Furthermore that Exaltation is a much different than being saved into the Celestial Kingdom.. And what's required for exaltation is not something we fully understand in this life. I recall somewhere Joseph Smith even stated that there are more thing to learn and ordinances that will need to be performed in the Celestial kingdom that will lead to exaltation.. In other words.. Even those who live and faithfully do every ordinance known in this life , won't be automatically exalted in the judgement day... there's more to learn.
I mean Latter-Day saints do believe in Hell. It's in the Book of Mormon. Is it the Hell of actual eternity? No. But it might as well be. For those who go to spirit prison and refuse posthumous ordinances by proxy, they are the type of damned foretold in scripture. That suffering is exquisite and hard to bear, to the degree that the weight of sin caused even God to tremble. It is blasphemy to teach people that there is no Hell, even in clickbait. While ultimately all sins in that Hell will be paid for either by Christ for the penitent or by the sinner and then free from sin they can be received into a degree of paradise, it's still a hell. God revealed Hell to us in scripture for a reason.
Hell and purgatory ( catholic) is the same. If one did not repent or could not receive mercy, they pay for a time. It's called Hell. Outer Darness is where Lucifer recipes. Most denominations call this hell
This is not correct. Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints DO believe in Hell. It is clearly stated in many scriptures and latter-day revelations. We believe very few people will end up in Hell for eternity, but Hell is a real place, and sadly there are some individuals who choose a path that takes them into it forever.
I don’t understand why so many people are coming out recently saying we don’t believe in hell. D&C 19 the Savior says very plainly that there is endless and eternal punishment that means His punishment because He is endless and eternal. But there is punishment for the non-repentant and that is hell, where the person must suffer even as Christ suffered. It will have an end and every knee shall bow and tongue confess Christ, but nonetheless hell is real and those who do not repent will suffer the punishment.
Nah, we don’t believe in a “Heaven” and I don’t want that boring heaven with angels playing harps! I prefer my Heaven being just as the prophets keep telling us to make our Heaven-my home, with a jacked up recliner with screaming kids every evening, breakfast and dinner cooking every day while everyone is running around trying to get ready for the day or settle down! Kind of a strange Heaven! Better than Angels singing and playing their harps in the clouds and Peter waiting at some gate for people to show up
Romans 4 is one of many passages of Scripture that completely debunks works salvation. As far as hell is concerned, Revelation 21 and Luke 16:19-31 prove that hell is real and that many people are going there. Joseph Smith is a false prophet and his words are leading people to hell
Not really, James records in the bible that faith without works is dead. Mainstream Christians have a twisted understanding of grace. If we are saved by Grace alone then we wouldn't need to be judged by our works. Salvation is a combination of works and faith. Even Ephesians 2 states that in verse 10.
We all came to earth with the goal to return to the Celestial kingdom. Anything less than that is failure. So even the Terrestrial kingdom, being a kingdom of great glory is not a good consolation prize for failure to reach to reach the goal. They are in a sense in hell because the goal is forever out of their reach. So in the Bible, heaven is the Celestial Kingdom. Hell is anything other than the Celestial Kingdom.
You can read all about it in Doctrine & Covenants Section 76 Celestial Terrestrial Telestial Outer Darkness Grab you a copy of the Doctrine & Covenants on the internet, look it up.
It’s a bit of both, from my understanding. Doctrine and Covenants 137:7-10 helps clear it up. Amulek (in Alma 34) was speaking to people who knew about Christ, and thus were accountable for whether they accepted/rejected the gospel. Those who do not have the opportunity to hear that gospel or rejected it in this life will hear it in the spirit life to come (D&C 138:29-30). Indeed, this life is the time for man to prepare to meet God, by multiplying the talents he has been given rather than burying them. The greatest amount of growth may only occur in mortality. People may still accept the gospel later in their immortal existence but be denied many of the blessings afforded to those who made the sacrifice in mortality. Thus, we prepare to meet God in this life, but people may still be received into the kingdom, at least up until the final judgment.
@@ts-900 you worship the bible? That is pagan worship! You are confusing Christianity and Biblical as the same, they are not the same in shape or form.
@@elderinisrael I specifically said that I worship the Word of God, which is Jesus Christ, who is God. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 1Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Maybe 1% of the total people born on the earth will make it to the Celestial Kingdom. The largest group will be those who die before the age of 8. Read Matt 7:13-14. 14, Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, few there be that find it.
Actually a very large number of people have died in human history before age 8. It is only recently with technology and advancement in medicine that the child death rate is as low as it is. The numbers just in that category are in the billions. Also many people who did not get a chance to hear the gospel while in mortality but would have accepted it if they had will also be heirs. Who knows how many hundreds of millions or billions that group is. I would say at least a 1/3 of all people who have been born on the earth will make it.
@@kristinrichmond8185 Sadly, it is. But the church leadership would not want this information being broadly known. Also read Bruce R. McConkie on this. 99% of non LDS will go to the Telestial Kingdom, which is what it was created for. The vast majority of obedient Mormons will go to the Terrestrial, what it was created for. A tiny tiny few, apostles, GAs, etc, will go to the Celestial. That's just the way it is.
Thank you , very well presented, it is so wonderful that we have a Heavenly Father that has thought of everything for us! , can't comprehend this love! , so grateful for it! , thanks again, enjoy Conference everyone !
I hope you enjoy Conference as well!
Awesome presentation!
How I love the Restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ our Lord!
What a merciful God!
What a beautiful explanation of a beautiful plan.
Thank you!
What a wonderful summary and accessible explanation! Keep up the great work!
I dunno...still seems unnecessarily convoluted, unbiblical, unjust, and not loving to the victims.
Convoluted, yes. So is life. Unjust: please give details for that conclusion.
@@entelechy00 Didn't you watch the video?
The Holy Bible is a little easier to understand.
Before Christ's death, everyone went to the Grave. The good to Paradise (Abraham's Bosom), the bad to a place of torment. Like what we see in the parable of Lazarus and the Rich man.
When Christ died, He preached to everyone in the Grave, and emptied out the Paradise side.
Now, whenever we die, the righteous go to God.
Later, at the Judgement, the unrighteous side will be emptied into the Lake of Fire, along with the devil and his angels.
The righteous, too, shall be judged by fire. What endures will be their reward, even if it is only themselves that remains.
@@ts-900 You said it was unjust, but only explained why your belief is just. For a system to be unjust, evil is rewarded and goodness punished. Also, while what you are saying is just, I have heard others proclaim it unjust as it is too binary: no middle ground. Would it maybe be more appropriate to say due to the level of complexity, I don't know if it's just?
@@entelechy00 Well, if I understood the video correctly, the type of justice is not the same for all. And I really didn't hear about the judgements...did I miss that part?
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Your message/ delivery was/ is honest & to the point, without leaving anyone confused !!
I am greatly impressed by the way you think and your strong faith. I know that you HOLD TO THE ROD.
Thank you! I appreciate that comment very much!
This is the best explanation of this topic that I've ever seen. Thank you.
This is so kind, thank you!
Another amazing video that explains so much doctrine in only 7 mins
The concept of a mental 'hell' is that I had the knowledge to returned to live with God the Father and his son Jesus Christ, but were kept out of their presence by my own action.
Very well summed up! A perfect knowledge of what could have been.....
Very well presented!
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
You are excellent at presenting our beliefs.
I'm really glad you appreciated the video! Thank you!
Thank you so much! This is the best explanation I have ever heard that covers what we believe.
Very nice . You explain so well.
Thank you!
Thank you for saying “Mormon”! I’m a very proud member of the church and I love the name of the church. I also am very proud of the nickname and the heritage it means.
The closest glimpse of an actual Hell we can find is in Alma 12:14, all of Alma 36, or Mormon 9:4-5. Well worth the quick read and pondering.
We believe that son of perditions will be thrown into outer darkness which could be considered hell. the only once that will go there are ones that know of absolute knowledge of Jesus Christ and then denied him.
Yup! I actually address that specifically in the last 2 minutes of the video!
Would you also add the greatest event called the Millennium?
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I was always taught that anything below the celestial Kingdom is a form of hell because it’s separation from heavenly father
Imagine a perfect God creating mere human fathers and mothers that would superceed God by rather placing themselves in eternal hell to save their own children, but then have their own creator fail to live up to the standart of his own creation, sending most of humankind to everlasting hell..
Doctrine and Covenant 76:81-84
81 And again, we saw the glory of the telestial, which glory is that of the lesser, even as the glory of the stars differs from that of the glory of the moon in the firmament.
82 These are they who received not the gospel of Christ, neither the testimony of Jesus.
83 These are they who deny not the Holy Spirit.
84 These are they who are thrust down to hell.
She said, right at the start, not the "traditional" hell taught by mainstream / fundamentalist christians.
Might want to fix the captions (if you can) at 2:08 where they read "D&C 1:38" instead of "D&C 138". I mean, section 1 verse 38 is an excellent scripture also, but...
I think you are incorrect starting at 6:00 -- the idea that only people with "an absolute knowledge of Jesus Christ" is an LDS cultural belief and is not scriptural the best that I can tell. D&C 132: 27 where it says "after you have received my new and everlasting covenant" refers to being baptized and accepting the gospel (although I could be wrong about that) -- so anyone who has been baptized, knows the church is true, murders someone and agrees to fight the Savior, knowing full well they are doing so, will receive endless torment. If you think I'm wrong, I'm open to your rebuttal.
While the theology doesn't match up, often times when the Bible is discussing Heaven or Hell, Latter-day Saints attribute those scriptures to the Spirit World. Also, we believe that the Spirit World's Paradise and Prison were banned from interaction until Jesus died and organized the missionary work to the Prison, which is why most of the Bible treats them as final.
I have to admit I didn't know about the marriage requirement to get to Celestial Heaven which is troubling to hear because being gay, I'm celibate. Just not sure how that works for single people who are handicapped or involuntarily single for whatever reason. But I think covenants can be performed for the dead or those unable. Or what about young adults who die before marriage?
If someone doesn't have a chance to be married in this life, they will have that opportunity during the millennium.
@@AngelaMurdock- Thank you for that answer
Remember God is a resurrected, glorified being with real human emotions and thoughts. Your Father knows your heart and sees your efforts. He notices them. The highest glory easily awaits you the same just as for another man who follows Jesus Christ the best they can
@@ToaRahkshi Thank you. There's so much noise and distraction surrounding religion. But I think you're right. God has already done wonders in my life
I believe that you may misunderstand what she said about what we must do to be worthy of the Celestial kingdom. At 4:55 she says the Celestial kingdom is "prepared for those who have received the testimony of Jesus, made covenants with God, kept those commandments". I would refer you to a talk given by President Nelson in the April 2008 General Conference and is titled "Salvation and Exaltation". In his talk, President Nelson says that personal salvation is through "obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel", the gospel of Jesus Christ, that is. President Nelson is quoting the third article of faith here. I would also refer you to the fourth article of faith, which speaks of Faith, Repentance, Baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost. These are the ordinances that qualify us for salvation through our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Back to President Nelson's talk: he clarifies in it that salvation is a Celestial kingdom matter. In other words, having faith in Christ unto repentance, being baptized and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, and then enduring in this path (ie - striving to live faithfully by keeping the commandments, and repenting when necessary), enables us to be worthy of receiving this degree of glory. Exaltation involves covenant making between a man and a woman and God. Having entered into this covenant and abiding by it, they are promised greater blessings and glory within the Celestial kingdom. Again, I would encourage you to read the talk by President Nelson that I mentioned.
my question is, what is the deep dark secret about God? in the pre-existence 1/3 of spiritis rejected Him, while knowing him. on earth, most people reject Him, though they don't know him. and then some on earth, gain the opportunity to know Him fully, yet choose perdition. There must be something...
Do you not know ? The 1/3 of spirits rejected him because they favoured Satan's plan, which involved no effort on their part - and btw no freedom of choice Not a secret. Those that don't know him - well, if they don't know him, they don't know any dark secret. The last group get offended by something they don't like about the church, or by some thing that happens to shake their faith, or some actions of God in the scriptures that they find distasteful - which is no secret.
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Please read what is said about hell in the Book called Morman Doctrine by Bruce R. McConkie 2nd edition. Do the two of you match up and agree????? I'm in doubt but willing to learn ?????
Despite the title that book is not doctrine.
@@spideyN8R And not covenants? What about Zion?
@@ts-900 The op was talking about Mormon Doctrine not the Doctrine and Covenants.
@@spideyN8R Basically, if not in the D&C, I was wanting to know where the doctrines and covenants are, AND what happens to Zion if the D&C are outside of doctrine.
@@ts-900 The Doctrine and Covenants is doctrine, but that is not what we were talking about. We were talking about a different book called Mormon Doctrine which is not considered scripture.
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Moral relativism: the Mormon view of Hell. (Romans 1:20-23)
Accepting the price Christ paid for you on the cross: the Biblical view of how to 100% miss Hell. (John 5:24)
Nope. Alma says that death Seals fate:
Alma 34:35 For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked.
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Sorry to break it to you, but you are not correctly teaching the doctrine of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints regarding hell. Actually, the correct doctrine of our church DOES INDEED include a belief in hell, where the wicked are punished for their sins in a metaphorical "lake of fire and brimstone," meaning that the suffering there is very severe and intense.
Hell is located within the spirit prison that you discussed (although apparently, not all inhabitants of spirit prison are necessarily in hell). The difference in our doctrine and that of Catholics and Protestants regarding hell are at least twofold:
1. We believe that the punishments in hell are not of eternal duration, but only for the finite duration of time that fully satisfies justice, (because it wouldn't be justice to punish someone with an infinite amount of punishment for a finite amount of sin, although they must bear their own punishment if they do not accept the atonement of Jesus Christ). Hell as an institution is eternal, but a person's punishments in that eternal place are of finite duration.
2. Not all of the people who don't merit paradise are immediately thrust down to hell right after their death, but instead a goodly number of them are waiting in the other parts of spirit prison. But some wicked persons indeed are thrust down to hell right after they die and come face to face with Jesus and receive a preliminary (not the final) judgment.
I invite you to read:
Doctrine and Covenants 19:15 - 20 (if we don't repent we must suffer for our own sins, very severely)
Mosiah 3:25 - 27 (see D&C 19 about the meaning of "endless torment").
2 Nephi 28:22 - 23
Alma 43:24-25 (mercy vs. justice: if no repentance, justice must be served by punishing the sinner in hell)
Luke 16:22 - 23 (showing that at least some people go to hell immediately after their death, if their un-repented sins are egregious enough to merit it)
2 Nephi 9:34, 36 (some are thrust down to hell, and it seems to be implied that it is immediately after their death)
Revelation 20:13 (showing that hell delivers up the people who are in it at their final judgment and resurrection).
Doctrine and Covenants 76:81 - 82, 84 - 85
There are many other scriptural references that support what I'm telling you, but it would be too much to list them all here.
Please, before you represent the doctrines of our Church, make sure that you correctly understand them. And please don't speak as though you are an authorized spokesperson for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but make it clear that what you state is your own understanding and opinions.
This is the first video of yours that I have seen pop up in my recommended videos, so I don't know yet what other doctrinal matters you may have not correctly stated, if any. But kudos and best wishes to you, for trying to reach out and offer the great things that our Church has. But please get them right in the future, and go back and correct what you find out is not correct.
Oh, and one more thing: please follow and obey the prophet of the Lord, who urged us not to call members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints "Mormons." We should be called members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or members of The Church of Jesus Christ for short. It's contrary to (and disobedient to) the revealed word of God, officially announced in General Conference on more than one occasion, to call ourselves "Mormons."
The Book of Mormon prophets believed in hell... and wrote about being thrust down to hell. Can you explain how they were actually wrong about that and taught false doctrine in the BOM?
She said, right at the start, not the "traditional" hell taught by mainstream / fundamentalist christians.
@@tezzerii Please explain in what way was the hell taught in the BOM different than the traditional hell of the New Testament/Christianity.
Did you watch the whole video? @@dirtdarte
@@dirtdarte Traditional version of hell, burning in a lake of fire and brimstone (literally). We latter-day Saints believe that the fire and brimstone mentioned is figurative.
A good video overall, however it includes a common mistake LDS make. First of YES, LDS do believe in Hell. We bifurcate Heaven and Hell very much like Traditional Christianity. So to clear this up one must understand that A "Kingdom of Glory" does not equate to a Kingdom of "Heaven". And that's the mistake this author and so many other LDS make. We often hear talks about three degrees of "Heaven".. which is true and I'll get to that, but not the way its often presented.
Now in the Traditional Christian world.. After the judgement there is a bifurcation, those who are "Saved" go to "Heaven".. which is the abode of God and those who aren't saved go to Hell.. which is separation from God, and in some medieval literary constructs a place of fire and torment. So understand that in LDS theology only ONE kingdom of Glory equates to the abode of God.. That's the CELESTIAL Kingdom.. The Terrestrial and telestial kingdoms of Glory are still separation from God, even if our scriptures attaches the word "Glory" to them. Hence, LDS we subdivide "Hell". (Separation from God) into three degrees.. Terrestrial, Telestial and outer darkness.. but make no mistake.. these are all a form of "Hell" in the traditional sense, since they are eternally separated from God.. but with out the medieval imagery.
In the Celestial Kingdom which is "Heaven" in the traditional sense we as LDS further subdivide it into THREE Levels. .the first two we have very little information other that those there would be ministering angels. Our church leadership focuses attention on the highest level in the Celestial Kingdom.. "Exaltation" which is in a sense akin to what some Non-LDS would equate to the doctrine of "Crowns" which are merit based rewards for the "Saved", but we as LDS have a much more rich understanding.
Lastly, another little mistake.. About eternal marriage and the Celestial Kingdom.. No, it's not a requirement of the Celestial kingdom.. It's a requirement for Exaltation within the celestial Kingdom. All that is technically required to enter into the Celestial Kingdom (Heaven) is having a pure heart and faith in Christ. Baptism isn't an absolute requirement since little children are automatically heirs, as well as many other categories that the Lord judges by the heart. Those who meet this minimum requirement will be in the Celestial kingdom as Ministering angels. Exaltation on the other hand does require much much more. So it should be comforting to all that our heavenly father really does love ALL his Children.
I'm not sure that this is entirely correct as comprehensive as it seems. I know we teach infant death provides celestial privileges and that baptism is not necessary but something tells me that baptism will be required it is an ordinance of salvation even the Master submitted himself could it possibly be overlooked because you arrived home before you were eligible to be baptised. Maybe infant death qualifies you for exaltation but the ordinance occurs to me to be necessary both the baptism of water and of the Spirit it seems a matter of principle otherwise think of it when does one receive the gift of the Holy Ghost if baptism is never undertaken. The baptism of the Christ suggests that whoever you are you will need to be baptised to have a permanent place in the Celestial Kingdom of our God.
@@PeterReynolds-jz1xq I understand the impulse to believe that baptism will some how be required for the infants, even if our faith doesn't teach it. But what is baptism really? it's a ordinance of covenant making. Much like a marriage. It's something that only can be done when someone is at an accountable age, and has little to no meaning before that. Thus it's something the BECOMES required when a person reaches that accountable age. The remission of sins is more a of side benefit of making that covenant. Jesus didn't need remission of sin, but did set the example of the process of the making of the covenant to fulfill all righteousness. You know , do as I do not just as I say.
The broader context of my comments to the content author above, which is more or less directed toward non-LDS. Is that the Celestial Kingdom is the only Kingdom of Glory which equates to 'Heaven'.. and the only requirement is really 'Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ'.. and even young children are heir of that kingdom, no baptism necessary. Perhaps there is some special means of covenant making for the infants that passed , in the after life that goes on that we aren't aware of.. but it's irrelevant to us here and now. Furthermore that Exaltation is a much different than being saved into the Celestial Kingdom.. And what's required for exaltation is not something we fully understand in this life. I recall somewhere Joseph Smith even stated that there are more thing to learn and ordinances that will need to be performed in the Celestial kingdom that will lead to exaltation.. In other words.. Even those who live and faithfully do every ordinance known in this life , won't be automatically exalted in the judgement day... there's more to learn.
Judgement is mine saith God. Stop pre-judgment within the church.
I mean Latter-Day saints do believe in Hell. It's in the Book of Mormon.
Is it the Hell of actual eternity? No. But it might as well be. For those who go to spirit prison and refuse posthumous ordinances by proxy, they are the type of damned foretold in scripture.
That suffering is exquisite and hard to bear, to the degree that the weight of sin caused even God to tremble.
It is blasphemy to teach people that there is no Hell, even in clickbait.
While ultimately all sins in that Hell will be paid for either by Christ for the penitent or by the sinner and then free from sin they can be received into a degree of paradise, it's still a hell.
God revealed Hell to us in scripture for a reason.
I don't think you listened, she said the traditional version of hell, the one that mainstream Christians believe.
Yes we do believe in hell.
Outer Darkness
She said, right at the start, not the "traditional" hell taught by mainstream / fundamentalist christians.
Hell and purgatory ( catholic) is the same. If one did not repent or could not receive mercy, they pay for a time. It's called Hell. Outer Darness is where Lucifer recipes. Most denominations call this hell
This is not correct. Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints DO believe in Hell. It is clearly stated in many scriptures and latter-day revelations. We believe very few people will end up in Hell for eternity, but Hell is a real place, and sadly there are some individuals who choose a path that takes them into it forever.
Outer darkness = hell
I don’t understand why so many people are coming out recently saying we don’t believe in hell. D&C 19 the Savior says very plainly that there is endless and eternal punishment that means His punishment because He is endless and eternal. But there is punishment for the non-repentant and that is hell, where the person must suffer even as Christ suffered. It will have an end and every knee shall bow and tongue confess Christ, but nonetheless hell is real and those who do not repent will suffer the punishment.
Nah, we don’t believe in a “Heaven” and I don’t want that boring heaven with angels playing harps! I prefer my Heaven being just as the prophets keep telling us to make our Heaven-my home, with a jacked up recliner with screaming kids every evening, breakfast and dinner cooking every day while everyone is running around trying to get ready for the day or settle down! Kind of a strange Heaven! Better than Angels singing and playing their harps in the clouds and Peter waiting at some gate for people to show up
Romans 4 is one of many passages of Scripture that completely debunks works salvation. As far as hell is concerned, Revelation 21 and Luke 16:19-31 prove that hell is real and that many people are going there. Joseph Smith is a false prophet and his words are leading people to hell
Not really, James records in the bible that faith without works is dead. Mainstream Christians have a twisted understanding of grace. If we are saved by Grace alone then we wouldn't need to be judged by our works. Salvation is a combination of works and faith. Even Ephesians 2 states that in verse 10.
I was a Jehovah’s Witness and we didn’t believe in hell either. We believed everyone will have an opportunity in the millennium.
We all came to earth with the goal to return to the Celestial kingdom. Anything less than that is failure. So even the Terrestrial kingdom, being a kingdom of great glory is not a good consolation prize for failure to reach to reach the goal. They are in a sense in hell because the goal is forever out of their reach. So in the Bible, heaven is the Celestial Kingdom. Hell is anything other than the Celestial Kingdom.
If I don't make the celestial kingdom, I'd happily settle for the terrestrial, rather than the mainstream christian "hell", thank you.
You can read all about it in Doctrine & Covenants Section 76
Celestial
Terrestrial
Telestial
Outer Darkness
Grab you a copy of the Doctrine & Covenants on the internet, look it up.
Sorry, read Alma 34.
I don't know how that chapter contradicts what she said
@@spideyN8R Read Verses 32-33. Direct contradiction.
It’s a bit of both, from my understanding. Doctrine and Covenants 137:7-10 helps clear it up. Amulek (in Alma 34) was speaking to people who knew about Christ, and thus were accountable for whether they accepted/rejected the gospel. Those who do not have the opportunity to hear that gospel or rejected it in this life will hear it in the spirit life to come (D&C 138:29-30). Indeed, this life is the time for man to prepare to meet God, by multiplying the talents he has been given rather than burying them. The greatest amount of growth may only occur in mortality. People may still accept the gospel later in their immortal existence but be denied many of the blessings afforded to those who made the sacrifice in mortality. Thus, we prepare to meet God in this life, but people may still be received into the kingdom, at least up until the final judgment.
@@todd7i The problem is that Alma 34 and D&C 138 contradict each other, and we only have theories and guesses to explain away the contradiction.
I need some spaghetti sauce for this spaghetti. This is certainly NOT Christian or Christianity.
It's not your version of Christianity, but it is very biblical.
@@elderinisrael No, it's not at all Biblical, therefore not Christian. I don't have a version of Christianity per se, I just worship the Word of God.
@@ts-900 you worship the bible? That is pagan worship! You are confusing Christianity and Biblical as the same, they are not the same in shape or form.
@@elderinisrael I specifically said that I worship the Word of God, which is Jesus Christ, who is God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
1Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
@@ts-900 You should specify, because the Bible is also called the Word of God.
Maybe 1% of the total people born on the earth will make it to the Celestial Kingdom. The largest group will be those who die before the age of 8. Read Matt 7:13-14. 14, Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, few there be that find it.
Actually a very large number of people have died in human history before age 8. It is only recently with technology and advancement in medicine that the child death rate is as low as it is. The numbers just in that category are in the billions. Also many people who did not get a chance to hear the gospel while in mortality but would have accepted it if they had will also be heirs. Who knows how many hundreds of millions or billions that group is. I would say at least a 1/3 of all people who have been born on the earth will make it.
Somehow I don’t think that’s true.
@@kristinrichmond8185 Sadly, it is. But the church leadership would not want this information being broadly known. Also read Bruce R. McConkie on this. 99% of non LDS will go to the Telestial Kingdom, which is what it was created for. The vast majority of obedient Mormons will go to the Terrestrial, what it was created for. A tiny tiny few, apostles, GAs, etc, will go to the Celestial. That's just the way it is.
@@rboddington yah, I disagree with you.
@@kristinrichmond8185 I would be surprised if the reaction was any different.