One of my favorite songs from atmosphere puts it best “But as a kid, I wanted to be Melle Mel And later as a teenager I wanted to be LL Then I discovered weed and I wanted to be Del But thank God eventually I found myself”
He was hustling men from the start. Admitted to talking to dudes on cam sites pouring their heart out and taking their money. He’s still right about the current structure of power.
You just realized? This was him since day one everything he said was just lip service and what young boys wanted to hear anyone with an IQ in the double digits could see through his facade from a mile away 😂
You just realized? middle/high schoolers believed in what Tate was saying. Anyone who had basic common sense could see through his facade a mile away. Y’all just choose to worship him since he tells young boys everything they wanna hear it’s all lip service. Unless you were in high school or younger there’s really no exemption 😂
@@jamespark6416 well I am 40, I watched all his shorts and he is just a digital PIMP selling off good looking women online and exploiting men for their money. That is what you call a success ? A man role model for young boys ? Give me a break.
That's such a retarded take, there's plenty of people that are hitting 10k a month now, millionaires don't just appear overnight and they even tell u when u join that u need to put in work
Brah, it was ALWAYS a sales pitch. That’s how they lure you in: start off genuine , build trust, then start taking and taking. Classic Cult / MLM tactic
Oh yeah like feminism and BLM. One of the biggest feminist in history is Betty friedan and she literally said "No woman should be authorised to stay at home and raise her children" like wth men. She literally also said women have to be forced into the work force because they wouldn't otherwise. The manipulation technic of feminism is basically "hey woman, even though biologically your body is telling you to reproduce ignore that, it's not real. What you REALLY want is to work and make money for... for yourself yes." My point is that all these movements that you think actually make any sense operate on manipulation technics.
Lets look at black lives matter (mind you I'm.black). They lure you in with he warmth of "black people even thought you have all the same rights as other races, you have the most money among all the races in america put into your social service, you get picked for positions over more qualified persons just cause, YOU ARE OPRESSED and now you must join our movement in overturning america and makes it "great again". This is how it feels hearing the BLM bs. They try to make you feel oppress then special. So you will funnel money into them and which we've found that the leader of the movement literally stole 10m dollars. Again if you think manosphere is so bad from that start then I would like to know your opinion on feminism and BLM
My issue is none of these guys have the experience or knowledge to actually help young men. All they do is bash women while bragging about their person experiences. Not every man is meant to have the same life experience.
They take genuine issues and twist them to their benefit. It's like saying something true about the economy. Or the disintegration of culture and identity, atomization, and doing nothing to fix this. Much worse, they constantly talk about it, criticize anyone doing something about it, and constantly just grift the issue. It's gotten to the point that it's not just the manosohere, it's literally anything that isn't explicitely left wing.
@@COolKID-zt2ow but the men on this list do. Because they're beta males who pretend to be Alpha. What good is it to talk about someone you don't like 24/7 365? How is that helping you as a man self improve? How is crying about women helping you succeed in life? How is bitching about women helping you get laid? These guys know that men are hurt and want answers, but they're answer is to blame the women. That's not what men do. If we don't like a woman, we just walk away and ignore her. She's not worth your time. Focus on the women who do want you. But they don't know nothing about that.
Men never knew what being a man is, it isn't about having women and being powerful, is about bringing stability, strength and warmth to the people around you.
I would even say that masculinity is such a fluid thing that each man can adjust to their individualism. Men shouldn’t feel to bind themselves into these boxes they don’t fit in where they can’t even exhibit their own best qualities
Totally out of random, but you got the most bad ass and awsome looking profile picture with V in it. Loved that character with his gentleman and classical mannersim, and eve a poetic speaking.
To be a real man is to be with a "woman" ? Lol no 👎 not with an entitled karen that doesn't even know how to shut their mouth. The court system and "alimony" ? No thanks. 😂
I used to watch Hamza because I was lost. Self-improvement helped me to feel more comfortable being me. Once that was achieved, I let go of these infliencers
Hamza himself, back when he still had his senses, said that once you learned the lessons he was trying to teach you it was time to stop watching his videos all together and stop consuming. that was the end goal
Early on, the redpill seemed a lot more philosophical and level-headed. Like many things, what started as a sincere and genuine set of ideas got coopted by grifters looking to cash in on an idea that went mainstream.
When I first found it years years ago it was older men giving young men advice on things like becoming a dad, buying a house , divorce , female nature or about improving your health and money . Now it’s just a bunch of young guys bashing women and scamming teenagers they all come off as down low
@@Jewel_Screaming_Chango8387 Back in the day, you were expected to eventually leave the manosphere, not stay in it. How many times do we really need to hear "don't be a stepdad" and "men are only valued for what they provide" before we internalize the message and move on with our lives? This isn't religion. We don't have to attend church every Sunday. Millennials really owe younger people an apology. Like @CaptainTrips said, the red pill was swallowed by the black pill, but the latter started off as an ironic meme by 4chan users. They never thought anyone would believe inc*ls were a real thing or that people would literally admire someone like ER. At some point, the world became GTA4. GTA5 isn't even parody or satire at this point. GTA6 is going to be an idealistic representation of our clown world reality.
As a 44 year old man, I'll tell you this. There's nothing wrong with self improvement, as an action, but sometimes the intention can be wrong. Always improve yourself for yourself, no one else. That's it. Not to impress someone, not to gain "clout" or applause. Just for you. You have to be a bit "selfish" in this regard as you are the first and foremost to benefit from the hard work that must be put in, but you are also the first and foremost to lose out by not doing it. All these influencers about red pill and manosphere. They include self improvement in a cocktail of other nonsense to seem more "legitimate" to their target audience. Please don't fall for it. Focus on yourself for yourself. That's it.
Focusing only on yourself can quickly lead to a toxic place. Taken to an extreme, you become very narcissistic. We are a social species. We are meant to both do things for ourselves and for others. We should build a strong sense of self and there's healthy narcissism. But our culture has gone way off the deep end with individualism, and society has become way too narcissistic. I understand where you're coming from, and do think it's important to follow your own guiding light. But don't take that to the extreme where you ignore input from others. They may see things about you that you can't, and can be very helpful at identifying where you need to change. It's always going to be a balancing act, if we want to really reach our potential. I'm not saying that pleasing others is more important either. Just that a healthy community has aspects of both involved.
@@MattAngionoThat's not what he meant. Even with addiction, they tell you this. If you do it for anyone else but you, it won't work. They have to WANT the help. If you try getting in shape or making money for any other reason but the improvement it will bring your life and health, it won't work.
@@36KACRE theres plenty wrong with the stuff hamza says bro.. he dives from traditional self help knowledge into like his own stupid theories which have no substance and he peddles a lot of sexism is what i have observed. i mean the guy dates instagram thots himself but acts holier than thou and gives sermons about high value men and women and how to handle relationships xD thats the issue with online self help creators, if they share personal experiences thats fine but they dive into random stuff they have 0 clue about cause they dont have any experience themselves and then they come out with random shit and feed u that random information. if you really want to improve yourself u need to rawdogg it bro. no other option, thats literally how u learn stuff in the real life, but yes a little guidance will definitely help, so use books, self help books are great, theyre written by accomplished people/authors who have seen shit in their life and try to implement that in yours. just thought i'd help a brother out. all the best.
it's shame that self-improvement is now synonymous to toxic productivity or in this worst case straight up hurtful nonsense. we need to make self-improvement about improving yourself again as in actually developing your body, mind and spirit, not about how to be the biggest asshole possible. if these influencers focused on improving humanity through improving individuals, mere mundane/material success wouldn't lose but gain them followers.
That's not going to happen, this "improve yourself" thing is always promoted by those who only see physical and economic improvements, you don't think, you don't reason and you don't use your brain, you only do this to please others. Appearance and money matter, but no one shows it to you that way, everyone shows it to you as something to "achieve", when the reality is, is false, if no one will love you for who you are then let it stay in that way.
@@Alex-on8yu i,d say physical and economic improvement are like light in night that attracts others if you once have their attention you can show what you truly are . I mean your personality . Money is not personality and no one show off it in front of their family .
Hehe, Man early manosphere has still become the basis for my philosophies. Sucks that it became this way; what started as an philosophy hub(in my case) spiraled to its own living contradiction 😓
They took actual problems and issues that men face and used them as weapons to influence their thinking. Having said that ,there are still genuine "influencers", be it men or women, that actually try and help all men with their daily struggles.
>women >helping men Maybe in alternative universe lmao😂 All of them are grifters who steal somebody else's ideas. Ever wonder why those grifters almost never got banned? That's because they're grifters. Then look at the likes of Undead Chronic or Hammerhand. Those guys got banned plenty of times specifically because they're the legit ones.
This will sound lame. But my dad wasn’t around growing up. I learned how to be a man through super hero comics, TV shows etc. for example, Spider-Man taught me that I should always put my responsibilities above self interests. Even when the city hated him and he was broke, going from job to job because of his super hero duties, he never used his power to gain wealth and served those who hated him. As lame as that is. I’m infinitely grateful I had fake heroes to look up to and not twitch streamers and manosphere guys.
That's not lame. That was their initial intended purpose. Superheroes were created during the recession and WW2 era to help youth growing up without their father figure since they were drafted to war
Honestly i always knew Hamza was full of it. The dude was saying he wanted to be a CULT leader. You know what a cult leader is? Is the figure of worship, someone who you render absolute allegiance and devotion for a promise of getting to their good side. The dude was already thinking like a degenerate.
It still baffles me how many young dudes fell for these con artists tricks. I use to think that woman had more radical supremacists than Tate taught me dudes were just as bad. I’m 21 but if I was born a few years later even I might of fell for it who know 😂
It just shows u that alot of people have zero confidence in themselves and they think listening to arrogance and ego driven guys will make them better…..most of the red pill leaders have been simps and losers 99.9% of there lives until they got fame n fortune…Fresh n Fit u can tell they been losers there whole lives u can tell they never got women
society has weakened men, so of course young men are gonna flock to the guys saying "hey, youre a man, this is the power that lies within you if you break past the chains of po*n and lazyness", theyre gonna go to the guys that give them hope
It is how it should be. Men's self improvement has always been underground and should have stayed that way. The red pill works when people don't know you're on it. As they say, no one talks about fight club.
I agree, well said. It may be falling, perhaps because a lot of the people who claim to be on the journey never were really on it for the right reasons to begin with. It can be recreated, and my advise would be to keep it very private and not on places like RUclips where cash hungry individuals such as all of the women that claim to be “red pilled women”. Not every man has it in him to improve himself. The ones that do, will find like minded men as hard as it may be, and in the end we will prevail because God knew what he was doing when he created us.
I always loved to watch Cole Hastings. Genuine, relaxed with his approach to self improvement, generally cares about his viewers and isn't one to brag about his achievements.
I thought Gen Z were a switched on Generation but too many of them are easily manipulated, the amount of love they gave these guys does show a failing society
If you know history you’d know people have always said that about the new generation teens are at the age where they’re the most easily influenced and those were the biggest demographic that bought into the whole thing it’s normal
@@Warsh-z5whe said the truth about us as humans. It causes chaos in the current social hierarchy. Obviously that’s going to get the people that benefit from it to shut it down.
He spoke that into his existence, acting like a victim, adopting this doomer mentality so he truly ended up like a loser (although his life used to be very nice before making black pill content)
The only advice or "manosphere" tactics that work is going to the gym and being consistent with it. The rest is hit and miss, lots nore misses than hits. And when you question those gurus why you are missing they blame you instead of helping you out.
I’d say they got some good points and then they got some wtf points. The gym is the one being the most consistent point. While you can follow some general guidelines with relationships their always going to be complex and exceptions
Feminism preach women being promiscuous and using men for a quick lick: 😊😊😊 Manosphere preach working hard for money and looks but also using women for quick box and being promiscuous: 😡😡😡
This is a SUPER GENUINE VIDEO! Thanks for sharing! Self-improvement definetly needs more honesty and dignity! Hopefully self-improvement takes on a different yet brighter path in the future :)
I think, in a very funny but true way, the best male self improvement messaging we've had on the internet has been the popular "Star Man" meme. not this shit wannabe rich gangster pretenders.
I've seen more people get genuine self improvement from the 'star man' meme and the 'i have no enemies' meme than the redpill movement. I feel like the redpill just teaches you how to be hateful towards certain groups of people. It's nice for a change to spread positivity instead of blaming everyone else for your problems.
I personally never watched any of these cringebags who contradict themselves constantly but I am in no way saying that improving yourself is a bad thing it’s just seeking out others constantly to change something only you can change through yourself will most likely end up hurting yourself.
After some years of self-improvement now i follow just chriss williamson and the fearless man bc im on my way to getting my professional career started to be really good but been feeling like something is stopping me in a deeper level, so now im just trying to grow bc for better or for worse these people helped me build my set of rules and personality and im grateful to them.
The biggest thing young men need to understand as early as possible is that absolutely no one on Earth is ever coming to save you. Once you really understand that then you'll never get scammed by any of these influencers that say they want to help you.
the problem with any movement is when it gets big enough and everyone understands the main message and gist of it, there isn't any new audience to reach so generally what happens is fighting within the movement, like influencers calling each other out for not having the "purest" opinions and stuff like that. it happened with every movement so far. given how many people know about the red pill and how much it affected society as a whole already (in terms of younger people) there aren't any new arguments or ideas to be spread through the movement so instead of the usual stuff, in order to keep making money and keep their current lifestyle, they have to start scamming the most loyal of fans through courses and bs.
Yup it happens with almost every movement, sometimes it doesn’t affect it enough due to strong leaders within the leader keeping the message/ideology forward
@@putent9623 Yes, but they went to the gutters in different ways. LGBT movement became super decentralized and had to many off shoots which were pretty bad and overall tanked the reputation of LGBT, my advice is for them to stop advertising their gay, ironically it causes more backlash and makes people more angry at them, which in turn makes people more uncomfortable with them or at worst full homophobic. BLM was doomed from the start, bad martyr who was a criminal, not a good look. Leaders scamming their supporters lol. Then to top it all off the biggest riots since the LA riots, making people distrust black people even more and reinforcing stereotypes.
you are right. but the lockdowns made more people watch videos which means they got more views. now life is normal again and the viewnumbers are lower again. and most of their topics are always the same stuff.
I went from atheist liberal, atheist conservative thanks to Tate, then hamza. Stayed on hamza for a bit before he switched back to those stupid Jeffery vs Adonis wojack brainrot videos and then I started my own journey. I found god, the one true triune god found in eastern orthodoxy. almost fell to Islam thanks to Tate and hamza slightly pushing it. Anyway, Reading the Bible, studying apologetics and seeing the schema monks on Mt. Athos made me realize this is true masculinity. The saints and above all Christ should be your role model. christ taught us in the gospels how to be men. I highly recommend those searching for objective truth to check out Jay Dyer and church of the eternal logos. They talk a lot about the secular west, what it is to be a man, Christ, apologetics, and SO much more and most importantly they aren’t immature like Tate or faith podcasts guys. God bless you all and thank you for reading my yapathon 🙏☦️ *don’t need to read the following unless you think of debating me* Edit: to the people of different beliefs: I’m not debating you, end of story. I’ve gotten sick of debating strictly online because my opponents make circular/fallacious arguments all the time and without anyone to “mod” said argument it’s simply a waste of my time. Either way, I’m simply sharing my story. No need to be triggered by a simple online post.
Realist thing i read all day, relate to this immensely, especially with all these influencers marketing themselves as some end all be all and then switching uo ten times a day, sure id like to own a Lamborghini and maybe i can take some decent notes from hamza and Andrew Tate but i have found that the obly person i should seek to fukky embody is Jesus Christ. GOD BLESS ✝️.
That sounds nice, not many people often look towards the true element of self betterment & masculine purpose like that of having faith. It serves the drive to live under the awareness of God's constant watching eye & finding true purpose in life & the hereafter. But y'know bro, I truly wish you had taken a few minutes to study Islam. Personally, Islam is not just a religion, it's a way of life. And it is a great motivation in my life. Islam teaches discipline through daily prayers & all the means by what it is like to live as a man with purpose according to God's laws & the lifestyles of the prophets, including Jesus Christ. It's an interesting path that I bet you, like many others, wouldn't be able to go back once you start. Peace. ✌
The age of hope and red pill is over, now its the black pill with channels like rehab room and chinese historian. Dont know how long thats gonna last since I dont think most men will have the stamina to keep hating themselves without self deleting. The survivors may come up with a white pill or return back to religeon/create a new one
Why do you think the blackpill ends in self deletion? Hopelessly looking for something that has an 80% chance of taking 50% of your resources is a path to self deletion.
@@St4rTr3v1Ut10n because with the current ideology of everyone being equal i think a lot of mens ego couldnt handle that they were inherently inferior to women. So the survivors may have a caste like world view where the low borns serve the high borns and take pleasure in serving the community with less for themselves
I understand the point. But, why do people make selling courses a bad thing? Don’t they have to make money as well? It’s the same as you having a Patreon. There’s no difference.
Something i learned. If you follow the exact same routine other influencers have, you are living their lives. That's why i stopped watching stuff like Andrew and i continued on my own.
Brother your video is incredible. It shows a trait that isn’t commonly talked about in self improvement which is humbleness. During my time in the Mano sphere, I’ve made lost so many opportunities to build deeper relationships with the people around me because I was really obsessed with being some kind of super human, and felt too good to talk to people sometimes. There’s incredible drive in pushing yourself to work hard like in Monk Mode, but in my life what’s worked best for me so far has been choosing to be humble and listen to others even if they’re not a very popular online influencer. Thank you for sharing this video man, I loved it and please keep posting.
The "manosphere" has fallen is something that has been said ever since the waning popularity of the 2nd generation of PUAs (which was actually thought by most people as.... the 1st generation, LOL! that tells you already a lot!). Back then the title among media commenting on PUAs was "online men's communities" which later morphed in mid-2010s in the "manosphere" incorporating all new, trending, as well as pre-existing communities some of which existed in the pre-internetic era, such as MRAs, PUAs, Red Pillers, Black Pillers, Purple Pillers, Incels, MGTOWs etc. How many times have we heard that this or the other "male space" has fallen. Remember that when Neil Strauss set to write his book "The Game" on his immersive experience with the PUAs of Hollywood area including the infamous Mystery, he did so precisely to call "the end of the Pick-Up-Artists". He wanted this to be "the end of an era". Contrary to his wishes, this did not happen, in fact he found out that "some of this stuff works" and that men will continue to research such stuff. Same goes for the Red Pill and the overall manosphere. The fact of the matter is that the manosphere was the natural outcome of men creating spaces, online space since the advent of the internet and its forums, to talk about issues that concern them. Men will talk sports, will talk politics, but they will also extensively talk of intersexual relations and how these affect their lives as well as society at large. And men will continue to do so, no matter the "fall here, fall there". What you see is NOT the manosphere falling, but rather certain individuals failing or at least supposedly failing. But here is the catch : Talking of the Red Pill, 1) It took US/British state intervention to threaten Roosh V out of the Red Pill - he was banned from entering countries (not even terrorists are banned!) 2) Roissy was also doxxed and threatened (also suspicions fall on state agents as Roissy was meticulously hiding his identify) 3) Currently Rollo who was the by far most milk-toasted of the Red Piller forefathers is being targeted state-financed NGOs ... isn't it interesting? That any time men gather around to discuss women the state has to intervene and curtail them? What does that tell you? Well? That tells you that there are state powers that do not want men to gather around and talk about such issues. And the state pays agents and programmed to chase Red Pillers and just any sort of "Manospherian actors" out of business and out of the spotlight. So will the manosphere fall? If by that one means the Tate bros and FnF and.... Pearl (LOL!), then yeah, whatever. However if by manosphere we mean what the label was meant to be meaning, i.e. forums where men congregate to exchange views on intersexual dynamics and related anthropological, psychological and social issues, then no, not at all. The genie was already out of the bottle when internet forums appeared and since that era men never ceased to exchange views on these issues in internet forums, just any internet forum. Don't forget that most men who got a "Red Pill" moment in their life (the so-called "a-ha!" moment) never ever had any contact with any Red Piller or any Manospherian. They got Red Pilled by experience, watching women around them behaving as they behave and discussing IRL or on the Internet with other men and quickly finding out that 1000s and millions of men have had similar or identical experiences, hence forming a consensus. Aka, the Red Pill. Aka, the Manosphere.
Well spoken. Point blank, men don't red pill other men, women red pill men. Once that happenes, the men go searching and trying to find out what the hell just sideswiped me? Then they find the areas where the red pill information is located and they finally realize that most of what they have witnessed is not a feature of women, it's a bug and ingrained nature. The red pill is usually taken rectally, by way of family courts. You just don't take the red pill, it must be consumed and digested. Take what you can, discard the rest. If it's allowed to sit, all it does is create a bitter taste and general bitterness. The grifters this dude is talking about were always grifters. Fat and fraudulent have always been the worst, yet somehow most people see them as relevant.
just because some of those manosphere channels are having less attention than before doesn't mean that the manosphere is going down, the manosphere/redpill content is going bigger and bigger than ever ... more people from different cultures and different social/economical classes are joining this than ever ... and actually this is the reason why those manosphere gurus or redpillers started to get greedy in the first place not because it's going down
From an insecure teenager that learned to hate themselves a little less going into adulthood. I’ve always thought that the “blackpill” or “redpill” is another realm of superficiality to make young people with no sense of identity more insecure about themselves, and even more insecure about meaningless things they used to not even care about. People who can talk about the realities of the world without taking advantage of our insecurities are a blessing in the modern world of superficialities.
@@berteabdel7722yea right 😏, all BB does is gloom and doom videos. Eww. Guy literally searches for sad news to repackage and report on daily. Go outside and touch grass.
Sandman is a Mgtow channel. He mainly promotes the separation between men and women. Hardly a self-improvement channel in the traditional sense because self-improvement channels focus on you getting with women. He still has an active community on youtube because of donations and a tight-knit fanbase so he doesn't fall of. The issue is with him getting new viewers.
I cried. I couldn't help but cry because I feel the same. I was watching hamza everyday and now I have moved on from that and I couldn't help but cry with this video
It's not often that I agree with every point made in a video but I have to say ur goddam right. Just discovered ur channel and I wish you much much success. U seem geniune and humble and that's what many aspire to now that we've grown up. New sub bro
The manosphere has been incredibly helpful to me in becoming a hardworking & fitter version of myself. I’ve received moderate success in career too - working hard to reach the top - I had never thought I’d reach this far! I don’t hate women in general as I’m from a 3rd world country, so many of the things don’t apply in my society! But thank you manosphere 🙏🏽
It’s been a while since I don’t consume any self improvement content I didn’t knew it was in such a precarious situation, I’m grateful with this creators tho, despite me don’t watching them anymore, back then they really helped me to get my shit together and man up, many aspects of my life actually improved thanks to their tips; man I wish they kept it that way because some of them were crazy useful, such a shame.
I agree. They helped a lot. Especially wheat waffles who used reliable data to prove his point. Andrew tate who was very blunt about his words and hamza who was very humble at one point and preached just do it. Just work hard. Everyone struggles so just do it. I respected them but hamza idk what has gotten into him. Wheat waffles got shamed into stopping youtube even though he was a nice guy. Andrew tate got deleted off of the internet etc
I’ve consumed quite a bit of “red pill” content after my divorce and it helped me immensely. These content creators are flawed human beings like all of us, but some have some very good messages and perspectives thrown into the mix. “Red pill” was supposed to mean understanding and accepting the world as it really is as opposed to false descriptions and fantasies taught to us in our youth. Unfortunately the “movement“ you describe in this video morphed into something else. The unfortunate thing is that I think a lot of men would benefit from the original “red pill” intent. There are some good content providers out there still. Maybe psych hacks which isn’t the same category exactly but covers a lot of the same material.
Toxic men advocates (the type who want to get rid of any type of devorce that is initeated by women, and think that everything was batter in the past), and misogeny ruin basicly everything, even if it's genuenly made to help people.
Lots of the guys you mention in this video were Federal agents, throwing the community into chaos and misleading young men. Lots of guys, having been failed by r3dpill content, are just giving up, hence the dropping views
Yeah, it's kind of pathetic when people claim that certain influencers are representatives of the redpill/"manosphere," when most of them are just grifters cashing on on concepts whose foundation is men realizing the truth of the world, which has nothing to do with being members of a community. It's up to the individual how they respond to figuring out how the world really works.
You mean 1 single guy in the video Myron? You are taking the fact he had an unrelated job as a fed and jumping to the conclusion that he must be brainwashing people on behalf of the elites? Do I got that right?
09:55 'without selling you an online course...' ... which leads me to the sponsor of this video, WEIght Loss Chad Academy!!! (I was hoping for a transition like that)
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Bro has mellow vibes, I like 👍, I never got onto the red pill stuff or any pill, I'm just happy people are starting to realise it was always a sales pitch
@@Ratio429 He gaslights young men and guides them into thinking that nofap is beneficial or life changing when it’s really just an unnatural thing to do and just makes you hornier.
@@Ratio429 Gaslights young men into thinking that if they stop touching themselves then they will become magically successful in life. But in reality, no fap is just an unnatural cope that makes things worse than it already is.
you my friend have the best and flat out realistic wisdom right there, it as you just said. We are all trying to figure things out on our own in this big world, and while it always good to have someone in your life to keep inspiring you to keep moving. Once the pup has grown, it is time for the wolf to leave the cave (Metaphorically speaking). Once all of us young men has reach our betterness, then that all that should be respected and honestly admire. Like you also said, your not trying to be the next top g, or some rich guy in dubai that knows every secrets in the world. Your trying to reach "your own place" and "Your full growth". Hack even I got some secrets of my own in life that I pick up, that I will be more then happy to share with anyone. It might not be something that even Andrew state will be impress by, but hey. It "my knowledge" that I have, and at the end of the day what we learn, and where we end up, if we can all sit down and tell each of our story from then to now and say "Yes he reach a better place" then it a accomplishment that should be respected at the end. So everyone let stay strong and do our best to reach our betterness for the future, and once we all make it. We will sit down in a fire and share our adventures together.
This is why I'm releasing my own self-improvement channel in about a week. I want to be that " breath of fresh air ", that I am no longer getting from any of those other " influencers ".
I used to watch blackpill content because I considered it amusing in a weird way. I would get lots of videos recommended to me on my homepage. But now even if I look it up intentionally, I can barely find anything new. Looks like the blackpill is slowly fading away.
It’s actually 10-15 times. I don’t agree with everything he says. He kind of takes the approach that men are always at fault for getting dumped instead of realizing female hypergamy exists and sometimes you did nothing wrong she just monkey branched to a dude that had more resources, better looking etc
I agree with what you say in this video, but let me clear this up: online entrepreneurship on its own isn’t a negative, scammy thing. It can be a positive thing and can be very helpful for society. The people who make genuinely helpful videos and then give exclusive help through an online course or some other sort of package, with the genuine intention of helping you, while pricing their items reasonably and not pressuring you to purchase - these people help society too. But guess what - they don’t blow up. They don’t go into the limelight because there is no facade, there is no flashy arrogance or show to put on for the people (like is the case with Tate). And as a result, you won’t see these people as much. You won’t see them as much, and you only see people like Tate and what not. Thus, that may create the impression that all online entrepreneurs are scammers, which is understandable to get that perspective due to what you see, but it’s inaccurate. Maybe I’m biased though, since I myself want to enter the world of online entrepreneurship. But I, as do many people, have the genuine intention of helping people in my field. And if the price is reasonable and the advice is worth it, I think that online entrepreneurship can be a good thing.
Self-improvement can sometimes be another way for someone to confirm and perpetuate their negative self perception. The trick is to have a base line of self worth and self love while admitting there are places I could improve in.
why yall acting like this is a new phenomenon or that hamza is the OG self improvement you-tuber. self improvement scams have been around for a long time
Guys, interact with the world. Get you a 9 to 5 job that pays well and you enjoy, set money aside, travel and meet people. This is so much fun than hating women in your basement, being scammed and thinking you’ll get rich soon. If you support Tate, to me it just means you haven’t interacted with life enough.
We all evolve, the best thing I got out of that community(which was free) I stopped playing with myself, I learn to take risk, I learned that Being uncomfortable is the only way to grow. Now Im happy doing my own thing. A lot of people(me include) can get caught up in the hype of having people wanting to talk to you get advice from you, and it can get to your head. Like you said though we are all human and we tend to do human shit. Nothing any of those guys teach is wrong, but they forgot to put humility in front of everything. I wish you the best.
Lots of manosphere channels are doing well: Strong Successful Male, They did what!?, Legion of men, Pearl Davis, the Dadvocate, the Whatever Podcast, I think Manosphere Highlights Daily is still going strong, Please Act Right, Andrew Wilson, Better Batchelor & Aaron Clarey.
A good rule of thumb for 'good' self improvement advice is thar it is ALWAYS rooted in the study of biology- this includes to an extent psychology,psychiatry,nutrition,etc. Despite what tate will have you believe,the same workout routine will not work for endomorphs and ectomorphs alike.And the same productivity advice would not work for neurotypical people as people with OCD/ADHD?
Self improvement feels like a movement that sparked from a shared sense of purposeless among men during the pandemic. During lockdown, people spent an abnormal amount of time on social media and had their perspective and development warped by a false sense of value. Thats my best guess anyways.
As someone who has more of an outside and even hostile perspective on the manosphere, I actually really appreciated your perspective and I found it very interesting
Society sucks pretty bad for everyone. My friends in africa are starving. The suicide rate of men in europe is through the roof though. Here in America it just feels like there is no social cohesion whatsoever and everyyhing costs a fortune and the jails are multiplying like mad.
He is trying to not induce his persona into the content he is making. He is trying to be the objective, rational observer that uses cartoon and humor to explain his point of view, which more often than not comes as logical and hard to argue. He advertises his product ( which is like a book) not his life-style or the image based courses/coaching cult.
Nope, he is a con artist like the rest. He said you can go from a 4 to an 8 by lifting weights 😂 no evidence for that at all. He is pseudoscientific and irrational
@@RythemicPhantom thats weird bc i recently watched his video on the mystery zone - and while this vid is unnecessarily long, he does present a solution. you may not like it but its still a solution. And btw, not every problem has a solution that fits into a YT video. Sometimes he can only present the problem, but you have to figure out the solution yourself bc he does not know your individual situation. also, could you tell me where he contradicts himself? Not that I would defend him, i just would like to know.
@@VitalFacets boy are you clueless. did you put in the effort to actually get trained over the course of at least two years, and doing it consistently? everyone who does it and looks muscular will tell you its a night and day difference on how you are perceived. of course, if you still act insecure then muscles will not benefit you socially, but thats on you. as someone with a healthy self esteem i can tell you that you climb MANY points by looking athletic vs average. the amount of interest i get from woman now is vastly more than when i was not trained. when something is so obvious then the evidence isnt needed, or do you want evidence when someone says that rain can come out of dark clouds? its ridiculous. the only irrational thing is your jugdement that the fact that you can climb a few points by lifting weights is irrational. to men who train and woman, its very obvious.
@@raze956 you fucking imbecile, I have known countless guys who got on steroid cycles, got 200+ lb at low body fat, and their results stayed the same. The science shows that women aren't attracted to high degrees of muscularity, and that's always what I observed. Btw, I've gotten with more and way hotter women than you have. Just saying
latest video might actually change ur life.
if u have 16 minutes, check it out (at your own risk):
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well when you are a pandering fool you get views...stop believing your own hype you're a nobody
“I used to want to be the next hamza, but now I just want to be the first me” real
And thank God for that.
:)
Happy to hear that buddy.
Real asf
✍️🔥🔥🔥
be the first AND best you
One of my favorite songs from atmosphere puts it best
“But as a kid, I wanted to be Melle Mel
And later as a teenager I wanted to be LL
Then I discovered weed and I wanted to be Del
But thank God eventually I found myself”
I realized Andrew Tate went from hustling women to hustling men
this, right here ^
He was hustling men from the start. Admitted to talking to dudes on cam sites pouring their heart out and taking their money. He’s still right about the current structure of power.
You just realized? This was him since day one everything he said was just lip service and what young boys wanted to hear anyone with an IQ in the double digits could see through his facade from a mile away 😂
You just realized? middle/high schoolers believed in what Tate was saying. Anyone who had basic common sense could see through his facade a mile away. Y’all just choose to worship him since he tells young boys everything they wanna hear it’s all lip service. Unless you were in high school or younger there’s really no exemption 😂
@@jamespark6416 well I am 40, I watched all his shorts and he is just a digital PIMP selling off good looking women online and exploiting men for their money. That is what you call a success ? A man role model for young boys ? Give me a break.
Still waiting for a Tate student to stand outside his millionaire home with 3 bugattis & a ferrari telling the world Tate's course gave him this....
Already happened
Well in gta tho…
Did they sex traffic women as well.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I NEVER saw anyone teaching digital marketing following The Real World things WITHOUT being affiliate to it.
That's such a retarded take, there's plenty of people that are hitting 10k a month now, millionaires don't just appear overnight and they even tell u when u join that u need to put in work
"are you winning son?"
Tate: Yes daddy
Brah, it was ALWAYS a sales pitch. That’s how they lure you in: start off genuine , build trust, then start taking and taking. Classic Cult / MLM tactic
MGTOW was never a grift.
Thats the most average manipulation tactic, works all the time though
@@FacelessBillionsare there any higher tier manipulation techniques though?!
Oh yeah like feminism and BLM.
One of the biggest feminist in history is Betty friedan and she literally said "No woman should be authorised to stay at home and raise her children" like wth men. She literally also said women have to be forced into the work force because they wouldn't otherwise. The manipulation technic of feminism is basically "hey woman, even though biologically your body is telling you to reproduce ignore that, it's not real. What you REALLY want is to work and make money for... for yourself yes."
My point is that all these movements that you think actually make any sense operate on manipulation technics.
Lets look at black lives matter (mind you I'm.black). They lure you in with he warmth of "black people even thought you have all the same rights as other races, you have the most money among all the races in america put into your social service, you get picked for positions over more qualified persons just cause, YOU ARE OPRESSED and now you must join our movement in overturning america and makes it "great again".
This is how it feels hearing the BLM bs. They try to make you feel oppress then special. So you will funnel money into them and which we've found that the leader of the movement literally stole 10m dollars.
Again if you think manosphere is so bad from that start then I would like to know your opinion on feminism and BLM
You guys want advice? Stop watching videos. Go out into the world and interact with it. Youll learn plenty
Yes, absolutely
Well said, O man on the internet.
But really, it's a nice advice. I should be studying not watching random vídeos
You'll learn even more that you're unfit for it if you're a subhuman male.
I wanna start reading more books and stay far away from dating Gurus and relationships topics
@estebanrgw9 so damn true
smaller self improvement creators always seem to be the most genuine, great video!
Big channels have the problem of audience capture and most seem to fall victim to it.
That's how they all start
My issue is none of these guys have the experience or knowledge to actually help young men. All they do is bash women while bragging about their person experiences. Not every man is meant to have the same life experience.
They take genuine issues and twist them to their benefit. It's like saying something true about the economy. Or the disintegration of culture and identity, atomization, and doing nothing to fix this. Much worse, they constantly talk about it, criticize anyone doing something about it, and constantly just grift the issue.
It's gotten to the point that it's not just the manosohere, it's literally anything that isn't explicitely left wing.
Ironically, for a bunch of men who preach free thinking, they also Shame people who don't follow their exact path
Not everyone in the space "bash" women
@@COolKID-zt2ow but the men on this list do. Because they're beta males who pretend to be Alpha. What good is it to talk about someone you don't like 24/7 365? How is that helping you as a man self improve? How is crying about women helping you succeed in life? How is bitching about women helping you get laid? These guys know that men are hurt and want answers, but they're answer is to blame the women. That's not what men do. If we don't like a woman, we just walk away and ignore her. She's not worth your time. Focus on the women who do want you. But they don't know nothing about that.
@@COolKID-zt2owC'mon now. Maybe not all of them, but majority of them do.
Men never knew what being a man is, it isn't about having women and being powerful, is about bringing stability, strength and warmth to the people around you.
Exactly
Very true
I would even say that masculinity is such a fluid thing that each man can adjust to their individualism.
Men shouldn’t feel to bind themselves into these boxes they don’t fit in where they can’t even exhibit their own best qualities
Totally out of random, but you got the most bad ass and awsome looking profile picture with V in it. Loved that character with his gentleman and classical mannersim, and eve a poetic speaking.
To be a real man is to be with a "woman" ? Lol no 👎 not with an entitled karen that doesn't even know how to shut their mouth. The court system and "alimony" ? No thanks. 😂
I used to watch Hamza because I was lost. Self-improvement helped me to feel more comfortable being me. Once that was achieved, I let go of these infliencers
That's the point of it
You are supposed to learn and move in
You dont get your degree and stay in school lest school becomes useless to you
Hamza himself, back when he still had his senses, said that once you learned the lessons he was trying to teach you it was time to stop watching his videos all together and stop consuming. that was the end goal
Early on, the redpill seemed a lot more philosophical and level-headed. Like many things, what started as a sincere and genuine set of ideas got coopted by grifters looking to cash in on an idea that went mainstream.
When I first found it years years ago it was older men giving young men advice on things like becoming a dad, buying a house , divorce , female nature or about improving your health and money . Now it’s just a bunch of young guys bashing women and scamming teenagers they all come off as down low
It gets worse when you realize where all their talking points stem from
This 💯
The red pill got swallowed by the black pill fast af
@@Jewel_Screaming_Chango8387 Back in the day, you were expected to eventually leave the manosphere, not stay in it. How many times do we really need to hear "don't be a stepdad" and "men are only valued for what they provide" before we internalize the message and move on with our lives? This isn't religion. We don't have to attend church every Sunday.
Millennials really owe younger people an apology. Like @CaptainTrips said, the red pill was swallowed by the black pill, but the latter started off as an ironic meme by 4chan users. They never thought anyone would believe inc*ls were a real thing or that people would literally admire someone like ER. At some point, the world became GTA4. GTA5 isn't even parody or satire at this point. GTA6 is going to be an idealistic representation of our clown world reality.
As a 44 year old man, I'll tell you this. There's nothing wrong with self improvement, as an action, but sometimes the intention can be wrong. Always improve yourself for yourself, no one else. That's it. Not to impress someone, not to gain "clout" or applause. Just for you. You have to be a bit "selfish" in this regard as you are the first and foremost to benefit from the hard work that must be put in, but you are also the first and foremost to lose out by not doing it.
All these influencers about red pill and manosphere. They include self improvement in a cocktail of other nonsense to seem more "legitimate" to their target audience. Please don't fall for it. Focus on yourself for yourself. That's it.
I watched their videos nothing wrong in them
But I never bought their courses
Focusing only on yourself can quickly lead to a toxic place. Taken to an extreme, you become very narcissistic.
We are a social species.
We are meant to both do things for ourselves and for others.
We should build a strong sense of self and there's healthy narcissism.
But our culture has gone way off the deep end with individualism, and society has become way too narcissistic.
I understand where you're coming from, and do think it's important to follow your own guiding light.
But don't take that to the extreme where you ignore input from others.
They may see things about you that you can't, and can be very helpful at identifying where you need to change.
It's always going to be a balancing act, if we want to really reach our potential.
I'm not saying that pleasing others is more important either.
Just that a healthy community has aspects of both involved.
@@MattAngionoThat's not what he meant. Even with addiction, they tell you this. If you do it for anyone else but you, it won't work. They have to WANT the help. If you try getting in shape or making money for any other reason but the improvement it will bring your life and health, it won't work.
@@36KACRE theres plenty wrong with the stuff hamza says bro..
he dives from traditional self help knowledge into like his own stupid theories which have no substance and he peddles a lot of sexism is what i have observed.
i mean the guy dates instagram thots himself but acts holier than thou and gives sermons about high value men and women and how to handle relationships xD
thats the issue with online self help creators, if they share personal experiences thats fine but they dive into random stuff they have 0 clue about cause they dont have any experience themselves and then they come out with random shit and feed u that random information.
if you really want to improve yourself u need to rawdogg it bro. no other option, thats literally how u learn stuff in the real life, but yes a little guidance will definitely help, so use books, self help books are great, theyre written by accomplished people/authors who have seen shit in their life and try to implement that in yours.
just thought i'd help a brother out. all the best.
it's shame that self-improvement is now synonymous to toxic productivity or in this worst case straight up hurtful nonsense. we need to make self-improvement about improving yourself again as in actually developing your body, mind and spirit, not about how to be the biggest asshole possible. if these influencers focused on improving humanity through improving individuals, mere mundane/material success wouldn't lose but gain them followers.
well said
That's not going to happen, this "improve yourself" thing is always promoted by those who only see physical and economic improvements, you don't think, you don't reason and you don't use your brain, you only do this to please others.
Appearance and money matter, but no one shows it to you that way, everyone shows it to you as something to "achieve", when the reality is, is false, if no one will love you for who you are then let it stay in that way.
@@Alex-on8yu i,d say physical and economic improvement are like light in night that attracts others if you once have their attention you can show what you truly are . I mean your personality . Money is not personality and no one show off it in front of their family .
@@Alex-on8yu Also self improvement is important if you think otherwise then I can already imagine how you look like .
Hehe, Man early manosphere has still become the basis for my philosophies. Sucks that it became this way; what started as an philosophy hub(in my case) spiraled to its own living contradiction 😓
They took actual problems and issues that men face and used them as weapons to influence their thinking. Having said that ,there are still genuine "influencers", be it men or women, that actually try and help all men with their daily struggles.
The best influencer is “block head”, no words, just music and beats to inspire.
music wont get you anywhere
My favourite one is Healthygamergg
His advice is so genuine.
>women
>helping men
Maybe in alternative universe lmao😂
All of them are grifters who steal somebody else's ideas.
Ever wonder why those grifters almost never got banned? That's because they're grifters.
Then look at the likes of Undead Chronic or Hammerhand. Those guys got banned plenty of times specifically because they're the legit ones.
@@7arb-f-15 might be genuine, but he's not the kind I'd listen to. He's very bluepilled to me. At best a purple.
This will sound lame. But my dad wasn’t around growing up. I learned how to be a man through super hero comics, TV shows etc. for example, Spider-Man taught me that I should always put my responsibilities above self interests. Even when the city hated him and he was broke, going from job to job because of his super hero duties, he never used his power to gain wealth and served those who hated him. As lame as that is. I’m infinitely grateful I had fake heroes to look up to and not twitch streamers and manosphere guys.
That's not lame. That was their initial intended purpose. Superheroes were created during the recession and WW2 era to help youth growing up without their father figure since they were drafted to war
Lol so lame
@@const549less lame than worshipping evil orange man with 34 convicted felones, weirdo
Honestly i always knew Hamza was full of it.
The dude was saying he wanted to be a CULT leader.
You know what a cult leader is? Is the figure of worship, someone who you render absolute allegiance and devotion for a promise of getting to their good side.
The dude was already thinking like a degenerate.
Yep.
Most humans on the planet belong to a cult and they aren't even aware of it.
Never even heard of him until this video and Ive been watching red pill content for at least a decade.
Lmao could never stand or watch that fool, if you know pakis you’d have already known not to trust him.
@@sole__doubt Bro missed out on the hamza wave
2022 was a crazy year
It still baffles me how many young dudes fell for these con artists tricks. I use to think that woman had more radical supremacists than Tate taught me dudes were just as bad. I’m 21 but if I was born a few years later even I might of fell for it who know 😂
@@jamespark6416lol fr
@@jamespark6416 I'm 19 and I fell for it back then. $500 bucks down the drain. I was so mesmerized by Tate and his business stuff
@@jamespark6416 Self improvement isn't for everybody and that's fine but I will pary for you and wish you the best.
2023 too !
The fact that people even fell for em is funny and quite sad at the same time.
Just shows how lost people are. Social media has done irreversible damage
A lot of men don't have proper father figures so they look for a father online
Men are kinda dumb tbh.
It just shows u that alot of people have zero confidence in themselves and they think listening to arrogance and ego driven guys will make them better…..most of the red pill leaders have been simps and losers 99.9% of there lives until they got fame n fortune…Fresh n Fit u can tell they been losers there whole lives u can tell they never got women
society has weakened men, so of course young men are gonna flock to the guys saying "hey, youre a man, this is the power that lies within you if you break past the chains of po*n and lazyness", theyre gonna go to the guys that give them hope
It is how it should be. Men's self improvement has always been underground and should have stayed that way. The red pill works when people don't know you're on it. As they say, no one talks about fight club.
Is fight club a playstation game?
A movie
“Being a total tool works when nobody knows you’re being a total tool” hey buddy, trust me, they know 😂
@@zachpinkston4233 I'm sure they do.
I agree, well said. It may be falling, perhaps because a lot of the people who claim to be on the journey never were really on it for the right reasons to begin with. It can be recreated, and my advise would be to keep it very private and not on places like RUclips where cash hungry individuals such as all of the women that claim to be “red pilled women”. Not every man has it in him to improve himself. The ones that do, will find like minded men as hard as it may be, and in the end we will prevail because God knew what he was doing when he created us.
I always loved to watch Cole Hastings. Genuine, relaxed with his approach to self improvement, generally cares about his viewers and isn't one to brag about his achievements.
Cole Hastings is GOA
Cole Hastings and ICEColdJT are the best for self-improvement videos.
@@carltasticdrew9633 Probably one of the most attractive self improvement youtubers as well but no one talks about that xD
I thought Gen Z were a switched on Generation but too many of them are easily manipulated, the amount of love they gave these guys does show a failing society
Most fatherless generation simps for any resemblance of a father figure which results in being taken advantage of. This was entirely predictable.
If you know history you’d know people have always said that about the new generation teens are at the age where they’re the most easily influenced and those were the biggest demographic that bought into the whole thing it’s normal
I mean Boomers are constantly scammed by someone on the phone with a strong Indian accent.
@jvang2293 "If you dont give us $3500 in Walmart gift cards you'll go to prison"😂😂😂
Wait, Wheat Waffles was disowned? 😂
pretty much. His parents talked shit about him in that article.
@@hwabo9411 That's rough, my knowledge was that Wheat never even said anything too bad.
@@Warsh-z5whe said the truth about us as humans. It causes chaos in the current social hierarchy. Obviously that’s going to get the people that benefit from it to shut it down.
@@Warsh-z5w forget that, I thought Wheat retired? Said he had nothing else to say
He spoke that into his existence, acting like a victim, adopting this doomer mentality so he truly ended up like a loser (although his life used to be very nice before making black pill content)
The only advice or "manosphere" tactics that work is going to the gym and being consistent with it. The rest is hit and miss, lots nore misses than hits. And when you question those gurus why you are missing they blame you instead of helping you out.
I’d say they got some good points and then they got some wtf points. The gym is the one being the most consistent point. While you can follow some general guidelines with relationships their always going to be complex and exceptions
Feminism preach women being promiscuous and using men for a quick lick: 😊😊😊
Manosphere preach working hard for money and looks but also using women for quick box and being promiscuous: 😡😡😡
The manosphere has fallen. Billions must hope.
Maybe if had been based in sincerity or honesty then the manosphere would have been thriving instead.
Enjoying the red pill decline 😊
This is a SUPER GENUINE VIDEO! Thanks for sharing! Self-improvement definetly needs more honesty and dignity! Hopefully self-improvement takes on a different yet brighter path in the future :)
I think, in a very funny but true way, the best male self improvement messaging we've had on the internet has been the popular "Star Man" meme. not this shit wannabe rich gangster pretenders.
The star man Superman shorts are where it’s at. Being a good person not expecting anything in return
Those AI voice videos of fictional characters like Batman, Old Kratos, Master Chief, Joshua Graham, and others are way better.
I've seen more people get genuine self improvement from the 'star man' meme and the 'i have no enemies' meme than the redpill movement. I feel like the redpill just teaches you how to be hateful towards certain groups of people. It's nice for a change to spread positivity instead of blaming everyone else for your problems.
@@UserName-hz3vn speaking of kratos, PATHETIC!!!😂
@@amalrajpr6800L opinion
Wow, a bunch of grifters joined some movement and got hit by karma, imagine my shock
I personally never watched any of these cringebags who contradict themselves constantly but I am in no way saying that improving yourself is a bad thing it’s just seeking out others constantly to change something only you can change through yourself will most likely end up hurting yourself.
After some years of self-improvement now i follow just chriss williamson and the fearless man bc im on my way to getting my professional career started to be really good but been feeling like something is stopping me in a deeper level, so now im just trying to grow bc for better or for worse these people helped me build my set of rules and personality and im grateful to them.
Chris Williamson >
Def not what I expected to see. This was dope with no sensationalism. Keep it up brother.
Never give up! Always keep fighting!
The biggest thing young men need to understand as early as possible is that absolutely no one on Earth is ever coming to save you. Once you really understand that then you'll never get scammed by any of these influencers that say they want to help you.
Nah there is bro, it’s just stupid crazy rare to come across them for the obvious reasons
@@VincentGonzalez-k2jgo buy a course make them money lol
the problem with any movement is when it gets big enough and everyone understands the main message and gist of it, there isn't any new audience to reach so generally what happens is fighting within the movement, like influencers calling each other out for not having the "purest" opinions and stuff like that. it happened with every movement so far. given how many people know about the red pill and how much it affected society as a whole already (in terms of younger people) there aren't any new arguments or ideas to be spread through the movement so instead of the usual stuff, in order to keep making money and keep their current lifestyle, they have to start scamming the most loyal of fans through courses and bs.
Yup it happens with almost every movement, sometimes it doesn’t affect it enough due to strong leaders within the leader keeping the message/ideology forward
Will you say the same for LGBT+ movement? Feminist? Black lives matter?
Answer individually please.
@@putent9623 yes it has happened to the lgbts. even today they keep getting more ridiculous. and there's infighting over who's more oppressed.
@@putent9623Yes.
@@putent9623 Yes, but they went to the gutters in different ways. LGBT movement became super decentralized and had to many off shoots which were pretty bad and overall tanked the reputation of LGBT, my advice is for them to stop advertising their gay, ironically it causes more backlash and makes people more angry at them, which in turn makes people more uncomfortable with them or at worst full homophobic. BLM was doomed from the start, bad martyr who was a criminal, not a good look. Leaders scamming their supporters lol. Then to top it all off the biggest riots since the LA riots, making people distrust black people even more and reinforcing stereotypes.
you are right. but the lockdowns made more people watch videos which means they got more views. now life is normal again and the viewnumbers are lower again. and most of their topics are always the same stuff.
Life is normal again? Are you serious? Look around you man, everything is falling apart
Good for you growing brother - I glad you grew into yourself. We're all proud of you and looking forward to your channel growing.
1stman’s decline hurts the most, I resonated with lots of his earlier videos
Why did he delete his videos though?!
I went from atheist liberal, atheist conservative thanks to Tate, then hamza. Stayed on hamza for a bit before he switched back to those stupid Jeffery vs Adonis wojack brainrot videos and then I started my own journey. I found god, the one true triune god found in eastern orthodoxy. almost fell to Islam thanks to Tate and hamza slightly pushing it. Anyway, Reading the Bible, studying apologetics and seeing the schema monks on Mt. Athos made me realize this is true masculinity. The saints and above all Christ should be your role model. christ taught us in the gospels how to be men. I highly recommend those searching for objective truth to check out Jay Dyer and church of the eternal logos. They talk a lot about the secular west, what it is to be a man, Christ, apologetics, and SO much more and most importantly they aren’t immature like Tate or faith podcasts guys. God bless you all and thank you for reading my yapathon 🙏☦️
*don’t need to read the following unless you think of debating me*
Edit: to the people of different beliefs: I’m not debating you, end of story. I’ve gotten sick of debating strictly online because my opponents make circular/fallacious arguments all the time and without anyone to “mod” said argument it’s simply a waste of my time. Either way, I’m simply sharing my story. No need to be triggered by a simple online post.
Realist thing i read all day, relate to this immensely, especially with all these influencers marketing themselves as some end all be all and then switching uo ten times a day, sure id like to own a Lamborghini and maybe i can take some decent notes from hamza and Andrew Tate but i have found that the obly person i should seek to fukky embody is Jesus Christ. GOD BLESS ✝️.
Hello brother☦️
That sounds nice, not many people often look towards the true element of self betterment & masculine purpose like that of having faith. It serves the drive to live under the awareness of God's constant watching eye & finding true purpose in life & the hereafter.
But y'know bro, I truly wish you had taken a few minutes to study Islam. Personally, Islam is not just a religion, it's a way of life. And it is a great motivation in my life. Islam teaches discipline through daily prayers & all the means by what it is like to live as a man with purpose according to God's laws & the lifestyles of the prophets, including Jesus Christ. It's an interesting path that I bet you, like many others, wouldn't be able to go back once you start.
Peace. ✌
It was Christian politicians that destroyed the UK and Germany.
God bless you☦️
Yup, I noticed that too started around 2020 but I noticed around late 2023 that a lot of these guys have started to fall off or get exposed.
Good on you young man. You went through a true right of passage and found your way through. Enjoy your journey. Do good things
The age of hope and red pill is over, now its the black pill with channels like rehab room and chinese historian. Dont know how long thats gonna last since I dont think most men will have the stamina to keep hating themselves without self deleting. The survivors may come up with a white pill or return back to religeon/create a new one
Black pill is morphing into transmaxxing
Why do you think the blackpill ends in self deletion? Hopelessly looking for something that has an 80% chance of taking 50% of your resources is a path to self deletion.
@@St4rTr3v1Ut10n government does the same shit every month and i don't see that pushback tbh🤷♂🤷♂
We will create our own god-emperor and make universe bow to us. 🤣
@@St4rTr3v1Ut10n because with the current ideology of everyone being equal i think a lot of mens ego couldnt handle that they were inherently inferior to women. So the survivors may have a caste like world view where the low borns serve the high borns and take pleasure in serving the community with less for themselves
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain"
That's why Kevin Samuels was the great one
Also, some of them seem to focus on dating advice and none has a family or decent girlfriend so...at one point you realize this, you leave.
This first video of your channel I must say you are truly what be like man and most importantly being human.
totally agree, i want to do good in the world and not just farm people for money
Same here friend
Watching Hamza inspired me to get my stuff together and fix my mental health. Sad to see that he does this right now
The manosphere is now us
Yeah. I’m hoping this community can evolve into something political. Is there a red pill vote? How can we leverage that?
It always was.
Grifters will gift, no matter the cost to you.
I understand the point. But, why do people make selling courses a bad thing? Don’t they have to make money as well?
It’s the same as you having a Patreon. There’s no difference.
Something i learned.
If you follow the exact same routine other influencers have, you are living their lives. That's why i stopped watching stuff like Andrew and i continued on my own.
Well said man
2:08 family disowning you is crazy 🤣 imagine getting disowned by family for some youtube views 🤭💀
Starts searching for answer inside yourself instead of looking at other people
Changing yourself to fit the "alpha" will end up badly for you
Brother your video is incredible. It shows a trait that isn’t commonly talked about in self improvement which is humbleness. During my time in the Mano sphere, I’ve made lost so many opportunities to build deeper relationships with the people around me because I was really obsessed with being some kind of super human, and felt too good to talk to people sometimes. There’s incredible drive in pushing yourself to work hard like in Monk Mode, but in my life what’s worked best for me so far has been choosing to be humble and listen to others even if they’re not a very popular online influencer. Thank you for sharing this video man, I loved it and please keep posting.
of course man, thanks for the support
@@official_awei In actuality, these toxic "self-improvement" influencers lack humility.
The "manosphere" has fallen is something that has been said ever since the waning popularity of the 2nd generation of PUAs (which was actually thought by most people as.... the 1st generation, LOL! that tells you already a lot!). Back then the title among media commenting on PUAs was "online men's communities" which later morphed in mid-2010s in the "manosphere" incorporating all new, trending, as well as pre-existing communities some of which existed in the pre-internetic era, such as MRAs, PUAs, Red Pillers, Black Pillers, Purple Pillers, Incels, MGTOWs etc. How many times have we heard that this or the other "male space" has fallen. Remember that when Neil Strauss set to write his book "The Game" on his immersive experience with the PUAs of Hollywood area including the infamous Mystery, he did so precisely to call "the end of the Pick-Up-Artists". He wanted this to be "the end of an era". Contrary to his wishes, this did not happen, in fact he found out that "some of this stuff works" and that men will continue to research such stuff. Same goes for the Red Pill and the overall manosphere.
The fact of the matter is that the manosphere was the natural outcome of men creating spaces, online space since the advent of the internet and its forums, to talk about issues that concern them. Men will talk sports, will talk politics, but they will also extensively talk of intersexual relations and how these affect their lives as well as society at large. And men will continue to do so, no matter the "fall here, fall there". What you see is NOT the manosphere falling, but rather certain individuals failing or at least supposedly failing.
But here is the catch :
Talking of the Red Pill,
1) It took US/British state intervention to threaten Roosh V out of the Red Pill - he was banned from entering countries (not even terrorists are banned!)
2) Roissy was also doxxed and threatened (also suspicions fall on state agents as Roissy was meticulously hiding his identify)
3) Currently Rollo who was the by far most milk-toasted of the Red Piller forefathers is being targeted state-financed NGOs
... isn't it interesting? That any time men gather around to discuss women the state has to intervene and curtail them? What does that tell you? Well? That tells you that there are state powers that do not want men to gather around and talk about such issues. And the state pays agents and programmed to chase Red Pillers and just any sort of "Manospherian actors" out of business and out of the spotlight.
So will the manosphere fall? If by that one means the Tate bros and FnF and.... Pearl (LOL!), then yeah, whatever. However if by manosphere we mean what the label was meant to be meaning, i.e. forums where men congregate to exchange views on intersexual dynamics and related anthropological, psychological and social issues, then no, not at all. The genie was already out of the bottle when internet forums appeared and since that era men never ceased to exchange views on these issues in internet forums, just any internet forum. Don't forget that most men who got a "Red Pill" moment in their life (the so-called "a-ha!" moment) never ever had any contact with any Red Piller or any Manospherian. They got Red Pilled by experience, watching women around them behaving as they behave and discussing IRL or on the Internet with other men and quickly finding out that 1000s and millions of men have had similar or identical experiences, hence forming a consensus. Aka, the Red Pill. Aka, the Manosphere.
Well spoken.
Point blank, men don't red pill other men, women red pill men.
Once that happenes, the men go searching and trying to find out what the hell just sideswiped me?
Then they find the areas where the red pill information is located and they finally realize that most of what they have witnessed is not a feature of women, it's a bug and ingrained nature. The red pill is usually taken rectally, by way of family courts.
You just don't take the red pill, it must be consumed and digested. Take what you can, discard the rest. If it's allowed to sit, all it does is create a bitter taste and general bitterness.
The grifters this dude is talking about were always grifters. Fat and fraudulent have always been the worst, yet somehow most people see them as relevant.
u aint ugly bro tf
He looks like an asian sam -hamza’s friend, but better looking than sam
and asian
stop gaslighting him lol
@@cheytacpraetoriancomposite3413 at least he’s better than what he started as
He was fishing for compliments and you gave him one
great video, you nailed it. at the end of the day humility is key, and itll take u far bro
This is why I look to Jesus for masculinity and other men in the bible.
Praise Christ
Back when it wasn't mainstream the manosphere and redpill/mgtow stuff was originally about self improvement/preservation...
just because some of those manosphere channels are having less attention than before doesn't mean that the manosphere is going down, the manosphere/redpill content is going bigger and bigger than ever ... more people from different cultures and different social/economical classes are joining this than ever ... and actually this is the reason why those manosphere gurus or redpillers started to get greedy in the first place not because it's going down
Done wheat dirty in the thumbnail 😂
Nah Hamza got the worst one lol “Scams kids” just sounds so pathetic lol😂😂
From an insecure teenager that learned to hate themselves a little less going into adulthood. I’ve always thought that the “blackpill” or “redpill” is another realm of superficiality to make young people with no sense of identity more insecure about themselves, and even more insecure about meaningless things they used to not even care about. People who can talk about the realities of the world without taking advantage of our insecurities are a blessing in the modern world of superficialities.
So weird how nobody ever talks about Sandman or Better Bachelor.
For some odd reason. BB is probably the only guy I still watch consistently, and I've been through the redpill rabbit hole for the past two years.
@@berteabdel7722yea right 😏, all BB does is gloom and doom videos. Eww. Guy literally searches for sad news to repackage and report on daily. Go outside and touch grass.
@@Bobby-hn3cu Bait used to be believable, but oh well.
Sandman is a Mgtow channel. He mainly promotes the separation between men and women. Hardly a self-improvement channel in the traditional sense because self-improvement channels focus on you getting with women. He still has an active community on youtube because of donations and a tight-knit fanbase so he doesn't fall of. The issue is with him getting new viewers.
I cried. I couldn't help but cry because I feel the same. I was watching hamza everyday and now I have moved on from that and I couldn't help but cry with this video
Should have also mentioned Gonzalo Lira, who deleted his Coach Red Pill channel and sadly died in prison in Ukraine
It's not often that I agree with every point made in a video but I have to say ur goddam right. Just discovered ur channel and I wish you much much success. U seem geniune and humble and that's what many aspire to now that we've grown up. New sub bro
The manosphere has been incredibly helpful to me in becoming a hardworking & fitter version of myself. I’ve received moderate success in career too - working hard to reach the top - I had never thought I’d reach this far!
I don’t hate women in general as I’m from a 3rd world country, so many of the things don’t apply in my society!
But thank you manosphere 🙏🏽
Isn't 3rd world countries are known for (among many other things) for being generally bad to be a women in?
It’s been a while since I don’t consume any self improvement content I didn’t knew it was in such a precarious situation, I’m grateful with this creators tho, despite me don’t watching them anymore, back then they really helped me to get my shit together and man up, many aspects of my life actually improved thanks to their tips; man I wish they kept it that way because some of them were crazy useful, such a shame.
I agree. They helped a lot. Especially wheat waffles who used reliable data to prove his point. Andrew tate who was very blunt about his words and hamza who was very humble at one point and preached just do it. Just work hard. Everyone struggles so just do it. I respected them but hamza idk what has gotten into him.
Wheat waffles got shamed into stopping youtube even though he was a nice guy.
Andrew tate got deleted off of the internet etc
Hamza got plastic surgery for his gyno and his ear otoplasty but then says looks don't matter
I watched him from 2021 to 2022 and he always said that looks are very important
He never said looks doesnt matter..he juz said itz not the only thing u focus on
That wheat waffles bit cracked me up, "menace to society" 🤣
At the end all roads lead to Hammerhand, Rehab room and Dbdr . There are they only one's putting out genuine honest content .
I’ve consumed quite a bit of “red pill” content after my divorce and it helped me immensely. These content creators are flawed human beings like all of us, but some have some very good messages and perspectives thrown into the mix.
“Red pill” was supposed to mean understanding and accepting the world as it really is as opposed to false descriptions and fantasies taught to us in our youth. Unfortunately the “movement“ you describe in this video morphed into something else. The unfortunate thing is that I think a lot of men would benefit from the original “red pill” intent. There are some good content providers out there still. Maybe psych hacks which isn’t the same category exactly but covers a lot of the same material.
Toxic men advocates (the type who want to get rid of any type of devorce that is initeated by women, and think that everything was batter in the past), and misogeny ruin basicly everything, even if it's genuenly made to help people.
Lots of the guys you mention in this video were Federal agents, throwing the community into chaos and misleading young men. Lots of guys, having been failed by r3dpill content, are just giving up, hence the dropping views
based fellow schizophrenic
Yeah, it's kind of pathetic when people claim that certain influencers are representatives of the redpill/"manosphere," when most of them are just grifters cashing on on concepts whose foundation is men realizing the truth of the world, which has nothing to do with being members of a community. It's up to the individual how they respond to figuring out how the world really works.
You mean 1 single guy in the video Myron? You are taking the fact he had an unrelated job as a fed and jumping to the conclusion that he must be brainwashing people on behalf of the elites? Do I got that right?
Yeah dude, when the start doing cringe shit it must be the FBI themselves manipulating them 😂
Z10nist pressure release valve. If ykyk.
All influencers have to keep changing to stay relevant
Not just the ones from the manosphere
09:55 'without selling you an online course...'
... which leads me to the sponsor of this video, WEIght Loss Chad Academy!!! (I was hoping for a transition like that)
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Bro has mellow vibes, I like 👍, I never got onto the red pill stuff or any pill, I'm just happy people are starting to realise it was always a sales pitch
For me the only og self improvement youtuber is Ice cold jt
Real
Ahhh yes, the delusional coper that makes nofap his persona.
@@KilledToBeBorn What did he do?
@@Ratio429 He gaslights young men and guides them into thinking that nofap is beneficial or life changing when it’s really just an unnatural thing to do and just makes you hornier.
@@Ratio429 Gaslights young men into thinking that if they stop touching themselves then they will become magically successful in life. But in reality, no fap is just an unnatural cope that makes things worse than it already is.
you my friend have the best and flat out realistic wisdom right there, it as you just said. We are all trying to figure things out on our own in this big world, and while it always good to have someone in your life to keep inspiring you to keep moving. Once the pup has grown, it is time for the wolf to leave the cave (Metaphorically speaking). Once all of us young men has reach our betterness, then that all that should be respected and honestly admire. Like you also said, your not trying to be the next top g, or some rich guy in dubai that knows every secrets in the world. Your trying to reach "your own place" and "Your full growth". Hack even I got some secrets of my own in life that I pick up, that I will be more then happy to share with anyone. It might not be something that even Andrew state will be impress by, but hey. It "my knowledge" that I have, and at the end of the day what we learn, and where we end up, if we can all sit down and tell each of our story from then to now and say "Yes he reach a better place" then it a accomplishment that should be respected at the end. So everyone let stay strong and do our best to reach our betterness for the future, and once we all make it. We will sit down in a fire and share our adventures together.
This is why I'm releasing my own self-improvement channel in about a week. I want to be that " breath of fresh air ", that I am no longer getting from any of those other " influencers ".
Oh ok
What’s the page?
@@ElPatrondel I can write it here once it gets released, in about a week. But I will still advertise it on my current channel
Much luck bro !
Best of luck with the channel.
I used to watch blackpill content because I considered it amusing in a weird way. I would get lots of videos recommended to me on my homepage. But now even if I look it up intentionally, I can barely find anything new. Looks like the blackpill is slowly fading away.
its only growing but moderation is getting better and harsher towards it
Meanwhile Uncle Corey Wayne : they didn’t read my book 15 or 30 times…
It’s actually 10-15 times. I don’t agree with everything he says. He kind of takes the approach that men are always at fault for getting dumped instead of realizing female hypergamy exists and sometimes you did nothing wrong she just monkey branched to a dude that had more resources, better looking etc
I agree with what you say in this video, but let me clear this up: online entrepreneurship on its own isn’t a negative, scammy thing. It can be a positive thing and can be very helpful for society. The people who make genuinely helpful videos and then give exclusive help through an online course or some other sort of package, with the genuine intention of helping you, while pricing their items reasonably and not pressuring you to purchase - these people help society too. But guess what - they don’t blow up. They don’t go into the limelight because there is no facade, there is no flashy arrogance or show to put on for the people (like is the case with Tate). And as a result, you won’t see these people as much. You won’t see them as much, and you only see people like Tate and what not. Thus, that may create the impression that all online entrepreneurs are scammers, which is understandable to get that perspective due to what you see, but it’s inaccurate. Maybe I’m biased though, since I myself want to enter the world of online entrepreneurship. But I, as do many people, have the genuine intention of helping people in my field. And if the price is reasonable and the advice is worth it, I think that online entrepreneurship can be a good thing.
I never partook in this shit, I just chilled and fucked shit up in gta online and made friends.
Spending time with friends is never time wasted.
Self-improvement can sometimes be another way for someone to confirm and perpetuate their negative self perception. The trick is to have a base line of self worth and self love while admitting there are places I could improve in.
why yall acting like this is a new phenomenon or that hamza is the OG self improvement you-tuber. self improvement scams have been around for a long time
If your only point of reference to the manosphere is the RUclipsrs, then yeah one would think the manosphere is falling
Great video. Luckily i got the good information and bounced from there channel before they started to shill out there course etc
“Heaven and earth will pass away but my words will not pass away” - St. Matthew 24:35
I'm so glad that this shit is over
You express yourself well men i just subscribe looking foward to seeing your journey
bro it makes me cringe at the fact that i used to watch these mfs a year ago and used to believe em 😭
We all have man.
Guys, interact with the world. Get you a 9 to 5 job that pays well and you enjoy, set money aside, travel and meet people. This is so much fun than hating women in your basement, being scammed and thinking you’ll get rich soon. If you support Tate, to me it just means you haven’t interacted with life enough.
They were all obvious grifters from the beginning.
We all evolve, the best thing I got out of that community(which was free) I stopped playing with myself, I learn to take risk, I learned that Being uncomfortable is the only way to grow. Now Im happy doing my own thing. A lot of people(me include) can get caught up in the hype of having people wanting to talk to you get advice from you, and it can get to your head. Like you said though we are all human and we tend to do human shit. Nothing any of those guys teach is wrong, but they forgot to put humility in front of everything. I wish you the best.
With or without influencers men are still going their own way
Lots of manosphere channels are doing well: Strong Successful Male, They did what!?, Legion of men, Pearl Davis, the Dadvocate, the Whatever Podcast, I think Manosphere Highlights Daily is still going strong, Please Act Right, Andrew Wilson, Better Batchelor & Aaron Clarey.
Except this is not the manosphere... these were always grifters
A good rule of thumb for 'good' self improvement advice is thar it is ALWAYS rooted in the study of biology- this includes to an extent psychology,psychiatry,nutrition,etc. Despite what tate will have you believe,the same workout routine will not work for endomorphs and ectomorphs alike.And the same productivity advice would not work for neurotypical people as people with OCD/ADHD?
1:51 Nah, you're too humble man.
Self improvement feels like a movement that sparked from a shared sense of purposeless among men during the pandemic. During lockdown, people spent an abnormal amount of time on social media and had their perspective and development warped by a false sense of value. Thats my best guess anyways.
As someone who has more of an outside and even hostile perspective on the manosphere, I actually really appreciated your perspective and I found it very interesting
Ur clearly gay so who cares
Society sucks pretty bad for everyone. My friends in africa are starving. The suicide rate of men in europe is through the roof though. Here in America it just feels like there is no social cohesion whatsoever and everyyhing costs a fortune and the jails are multiplying like mad.
Hoe_math seems much better when it comes to dating xD
He is trying to not induce his persona into the content he is making. He is trying to be the objective, rational observer that uses cartoon and humor to explain his point of view, which more often than not comes as logical and hard to argue. He advertises his product ( which is like a book) not his life-style or the image based courses/coaching cult.
Nope, he is a con artist like the rest. He said you can go from a 4 to an 8 by lifting weights 😂 no evidence for that at all. He is pseudoscientific and irrational
@@RythemicPhantom thats weird bc i recently watched his video on the mystery zone - and while this vid is unnecessarily long, he does present a solution. you may not like it but its still a solution. And btw, not every problem has a solution that fits into a YT video. Sometimes he can only present the problem, but you have to figure out the solution yourself bc he does not know your individual situation.
also, could you tell me where he contradicts himself? Not that I would defend him, i just would like to know.
@@VitalFacets boy are you clueless. did you put in the effort to actually get trained over the course of at least two years, and doing it consistently?
everyone who does it and looks muscular will tell you its a night and day difference on how you are perceived.
of course, if you still act insecure then muscles will not benefit you socially, but thats on you.
as someone with a healthy self esteem i can tell you that you climb MANY points by looking athletic vs average. the amount of interest i get from woman now is vastly more than when i was not trained.
when something is so obvious then the evidence isnt needed, or do you want evidence when someone says that rain can come out of dark clouds? its ridiculous. the only irrational thing is your jugdement that the fact that you can climb a few points by lifting weights is irrational.
to men who train and woman, its very obvious.
@@raze956 you fucking imbecile, I have known countless guys who got on steroid cycles, got 200+ lb at low body fat, and their results stayed the same. The science shows that women aren't attracted to high degrees of muscularity, and that's always what I observed. Btw, I've gotten with more and way hotter women than you have. Just saying