Is The End Near? End Times: Part 2 | Guests: Jeff Durbin & Joel Webbon | Ep 285
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- In Part 2 of the two-part series, Jeff Durbin and Allie Beth Stuckey discuss the definition of the "end of days," covenant breakers, the judgment of tribulation, and how the dating of the book of Revelation can also affect your stance on eschatology. Finally, Jeff addresses how America correlates to these "end times" and how postmillennialism may have affected the creation of the Constitution.
Allie is also joined by Pastor Joel Webbon of Right Response Ministries in California, and he shares his perspective in meeting up as a church congregation despite the orders given by California Gov. Gavin Newsom.
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This is how brothers and sisters should discuss their differences. I’m beyond impressed!
I am Ethiopian listening this from the Netherlands and I can't tell you enough how thrilled I am watching this. It is like I am literally having a fellowship with brethren. Postmill is the most exciting, motivating and energizing view of scripture, not only that, it makes all the sense. Brother Jeff I am so grateful for your ministry, you helped me a lot in unpacking some of the most difficult Bible verses. Thank you! God bless you!
Loved this from Jeff Durbin (paraphrasing): "Two thousand years ago, we started out with eleven very confused disciples, today there are Christians all over the globe who bow the knee to Jesus, and we look around and say, gosh, look how bad things are." Amen! Or as Jesus put it, "...and the gates of hell shall not prevail"
The problem is we have failed miserably in the Great Commission which is to go into all the world and make disciples teaching them TO OBEY ALL THAT I COMMANDED YOU......Christians are not obeying God....thats why we lose....thats why Jesus has to come back and rescue us because our enemies are ruling over us and will kill us.....We dont win in history like the post mill position says we do.....Jesus returns to destroy His enemies according to 2 Thes 1:7-10......But thats also why God gets all the glory and not men.
Jeff Durbin... have this guy on AGAIN. And again. And again. AND AGAIN. Awesome.
Would love to see an end times discussion/debate with Jeff and John MacArthur.
Yes me too!! Alley invite John MacArthur to represent pre-trib view please
Yes!!!
MacArthur probably wouldn’t debate. He can when he needs to but between him and Durbin, I’d expect a discussion format much more.
Yes!
I honestly don't think McArthur would want to
I'm still very sick Im praying to God I would appreciate it if anyone could pray for me I'm still suffering please pray for me I'm praying for everyone everyday God bless you all 🙏
Praying for you right now
I'm praying for both of you right now in Jesus name I ask father that you heal the hearts of these two children! Let them understand it is your will be done not ours!
Hello, brother, may the Lord comfort and relieve you 🙏🏼. I was listening to this blessed message by Joni Earicson Tada yesterday, and it so blessed my heart. Would you take a few minutes and listen? I pray so. Be blessed...
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About to do it right now Steve ! Peace and comfort of Jesus Christ be with you
Praying 🙏 for you
HAVE HIM AGAINNNNNNN!!!!! ahhhh loved this conversation SO MUCH!!
Make sure to subscribe to his churches channel! studios.Apologia Studios. They put out amazing content!
Also enjoyed Pastor Joel Webbon a lot. Very sound teaching.
“The Lord says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.””
Psalm 110:1
He does it. We do not.
Joel explains why it is so important for the church to meet in person - preach, pray, sing, see (communion, baptism). I have felt like I lost my church family during this church lockdown in Oregon. Online is a hollow replacement for fellowship. Thank you!
Check out Athey Creek Christian Fellowship in Oregon if you’re still needing to find a congregation to connect with! They do in person!
@@hannahm7290funny. I live 20 min from Athey Creek Fellowship. Enjoy Pastor Brett’s preaching, even though I am not a premillennial dispensationist.
I totally agree with Jeff Durbin. Thank you so much for having him on Allie. This message needs to be preached. Jesus already came in judgment on the covenant breakers. Jesus destroyed all of Judea including Jerusalem and the Temple and killed all the people who killed His Son. People need to FEAR God because God is harsh towards those who rebel against Him.
This is fascinating! I must reread all of the verses & chapters mentioned!
Jeff Durbin is the one who got me seriously studying the Word. I saw one of his videos & how well he knew & could quote scripture & I was ashamed that I did not know it nearly as well. I saw that video almost 3 years ago & have pretty much read the Word daily since then. The more I read & study, the more I want to!
A close reading of Matthew 24 shows that the evil are the “raptured” and the good remain to serve.
While I agree with Jeff that some of the prophecies are for the church and applied only to them, it seems a stretch that what is described in the book of revelation was only for the early church. So many of these things have not happened in the time since the church began.
“Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.”
Matthew 6:10
Jeff durbin is the man teaching these people the truth
I’ve always been confused about my end times beliefs. I care about American politics (and the world), and I’ve been torn about how to pray and what to do. I’ll think, “we’ll, if things have to get worse for Christ to come, do I even pray/try for it to get better?” This is very helpful. I’m going to study and pray about this teaching.
When you take your last breath it's a done deal believe the gospel 1 corinthians 15 1-4 KJV before it's too late praying for everyone everyday God bless you all 🙏
These were my favorite episodes you’ve ever done. He was so clear and helpful. Really appreciated how you engaged with him knowing your views are a bit different.
I'm having a hard time understanding what he is explaining. I am new to reading the bible and i thought that there is gonna be a rapture before the 7 years tribulation but I'm confused as to what this man is trying to say it is a lot of new information to me and it is hard to put together.
Maddie Towns I understand! Basically there are different ways of understanding how a passage of Scripture should or could be interpreted and eschatology or the study of the end times is one of those things in scripture that people interpret differently. But that’s why it’s not the most important issue. The Gospel, which is the main foundational content of the Christian Faith is very clear and not up for interpretation. But with end times some people read the Bible literally, and some read it as if it is more prophetic in tone. So he is explaining the more literal perspective of the end times, and that leads to his conclusion that the “end times” we know of were actually lived right after the time of Christ. Many people hold the view you said you do, and I believe Allie Stuckey does as well. Hope I wasn’t more confusing!
@@BethanyJoyWilson ahh I see thank you. So seeing how he is saying the end times could have already been lived through... where does that leave us now?
Maddie Towns in his perspective we should expect the world to gradually become more Christian overall as the Church grows and the kingdom of God covers the earth. So he would encourage Christians to have that mindset in whatever work they do, knowing that whether you’re a lawyer, doctor, garbageman or teacher, you are the hands and feet of Jesus sharing the good news every day. And he also believes we are still at the very beginning of the growth of the church. So he doesn’t believe an “end” will come, like the return of Christ, until many hundreds or possibly thousands of years from now. Whether or not we agree eschatologically, I do thinks his perspective is so important for Christians to consider every day, that no matter what we do we should have our living hope in mind and do all we do to the glory of God to share his love with everyone we meet!
@@BethanyJoyWilson and this guy actually did his research so that's comforting. Thank you for being so kind and for answering my questions and concerns
I love Jeff Durbin and Joel Webbons ministries! Great podcast!
Durbin, a great man putting away the end-times myths taught in American churches for the past 200 years. Keep it up! This world is ours through Christ!
"This world is ours": do you mean like Dominionism?
At what point in history does Jesus call to His people to "Come out of her, My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins..." ?
You know: the one who commits fornication with kings, and rides the Beast, and is drunk on the blood of the martyrs (witnesses) of Jesus? When does this happen, that we are supposed to seek political power ('by any means necessary', apparently) in our own time?
@@lindajohnson4204 Hi. I'm not sure what you mean by "Dominionism", but God does call us to take dominion over the earth. Jesus calls us moreover to "disciple" all nations, not just mere evangelism. We are promised that the gates of hell shall not prevail over us .
Revelation up to Chapter 20 has already been fulfilled. We have come out of the Old Covenant, left Judaism and it's oral law behind and have been transferred into the Kingdom of his Son (Col 1:13). Not just through "political" power will we win but power in all spheres of life.
@@kylec8950 I'm not always prepared to answer this, but it is dead wrong. I would suggest the writing about Dominionism by Sarah Leslie of Herescope. Consider that if man, not God, forms a so-called "theocracy", it is by definition Antichrist, because mere man, as Christ, is a false Christ. The time table of the Bible has to be denied and set aside to pretend that we have a charge to take over the world, when the Bible, read as it is written, without dishonestly allegorizing it, says that Jesus, Himself, will do these things, not us.
Here is a definition of Dominionism, by Sarah Leslie at the beginning of a review on a book on it by Oriel Steinkamp and Sandy Simpson. The review segueways into an earlier article about it. Search "Herescope + Dominionism" and it will be down in the page, about halfway, when I looked.
"Dominionism is the idea of building a paradise on earth. It is zealously espoused by both the political Right and the political Left, and each side agitates with a religious fervor for their versions of the cause. Dominionism claims to save the earth, not individual souls in need of redemption by Jesus Christ. In order to achieve its utopian goals, Dominionism believes that the ends justify the means. Dominionist leaders are intent on transforming political, social, religious and cultural institutions in order to foment their revolution. They champion new and old forms of totalitarianism to attain results. Their final solution is planetary transformation. Various Christian and New Age versions of Dominionism include the idea of mankind achieving godhood, thus perfecting the planet, and they've shown they are willing to work together, converging their politics. But in the process you will have to give up your rights and freedoms.
"Given the significant increase in Dominionism as a religious force for transformation in society, the recent book _Dominionism!,_ published by Sandy Simpson, at "Deception in the Church" is timely and needed. ..."
@@lindajohnson4204 EXACTLY! Yes God destroys mystery Babylon; which sure sounds like AMERICA in 1 hour by fire......sure sounds like Nuclear weapons to me! Alot of the thing Revelation simply could not happen without the modern day technology; including the Mark of the Beast.....the pre mill says the Antichrist was Nero; Nero committed suicide....that doesn't fit....I'm afraid the post mill view will cause ALOT of believers to support the Antichrist.....the real one....Who I believe is Trump; mothers name Mary; fathers name Christ; his father started out a carpenter. 2 prophecies of AC ; he will broker a peace deal in middle east; he will recover from a deadly wound....Trumps 2 best selling books 1) The Art of the Deal 2) The Art of the Comeback.....Trump will retake the WH in 2024 and be commander in chief over the greatest military in human history: Rev 13:4 "Who can make war with the Beast?"
All the same verses I've been over, this guy hits. he's right on the money.
Jeff Durbin's comments on looking back to 1st century Christians compared to what is going on right now was huge.
I love to see pastors like Joel Webbon! Gathering together is so important
I have never heard a premillenialist say "well I will just hide away and wait for the Lord's coming" when looking at the culture wars and the social justice problems of today. That MAY be what some think, and if they do I wonder about their true conversion, but I have never heard anyone articulate that way of living. Ever.
No one may say those that but it changes your entire outlook which can absolutely effect the way you talk about things or do things.
I have seen many on line saying "I am just so tired of this world. I sure hope the Lord comes soon."
They have a defeatist, depressed attitude.
@@joshstrange1244 I would argue that that assertion is speculative. Lets be careful of taking what Durbin says as the absolute truth. My experience is just as valid as his, and in the end that is what the disagreement is about. It is only theoretical that a premillenialist would look at the end times and the coming of the Lord as less of a desperate moment in time for the lost as a post-millenialist. I have plenty of questions concerning Durbin's interp of end times but this one assertion I found to be impossible for him to defend. If he doesn't want to adopt a dispensational theological approach to Biblical hermeneutics then fine, but don't use straw men as part of your defense. I have lived too long and been studying Christianity too long to have something as lazy as that to be taken seriously.
I agree, all it has done for me is to more Urgently share the good news of Christ encourage people to re God's word because when the Anti-Christ comes we really need to know God's word to know what is true and what is untrue
Nellie Deblois
Drop the mic👍🏻
It is an exceptional good and sound teaching! God bless Jeff Durbin!
35:48 Wherever you happen to fall on Eschatology, Jeff’s perspective that we’ve gone from 11 to millions is a Faith builder in the Jesus’ ability to transfer of authority and power to His church.
It also says something about the Caleb/Joshua/David view of warfare over their defeatist brethren.
Thanks, Allie & Jeff!
Space case that had nothing to do with defeats it had to do with faith. 😅😅😅😅😅😅
What a looney false dichotomy.
I would definitely recommend Gary DeMar’s book, “Last Days Madness.” Dispensationalism has many illogical and unbiblical tenets. Many Disps are simply unaware of them. It took me about 6-8 years to shed, layer by layer, this system (which btw, was invented around 1830).
Yep, DeMar is a good resource for this view.
Eschatology was perverted by Jesuits false doctrines and narratives of futurism and Dispensationalism the main focus was 70 weeks of Daniel in the Oliver discord deceptions
@@Zipfreer Yes it was perverted by the Jesuits. Francisco Riberra created the myth of futurism and "Antichrist" super-villian.
I'm shedding that myth now.
@@kylec8950 have you read the bible
There is another view in pre-millenialism, other than dispensational. There is the progressive dispensational position- which views the events discussed in the Olivet Discourse as both having already occurred (such as AD 70 events) and not yet(such as the man of lawlessness, etc). Mike Winger, a Bible teacher on RUclips, holds and has explained this on his eschatology discussion video. Made a lot of sense to me.
I've been waiting for this ever since you did part 1! I went hunting around your website for part 2 and couldn't find it but lo and behold she came through for us again! Love you girl
It’s really quite simple. More simple than straight literalism. It’s simply keeping in mind WHO Jesus was talking to WHO the apostles were writing to. Read it with history in mind, and everything falls into place. 😊
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You also have to factor in that God intended for us to read those and apply them in some way to our time too.
Yes! I agree. The context is so important! I just finished “End Times Fiction” by Gary Demar. It was awesome and answered so many questions I had (I’m still pretty new to Post-Mil)
.....The Bible commands us to "Study and Rightly Divide the Word of Truth" 2 Timothy 2:15. KJV
Salvation is free and easy cause Jesus did the hard, part but the Bible isn't an easy book by any means. Its the Word of God! Gods mind is so much greater than our pea brains. Lol. The study you put into it will reflect what God reveals to you on an individual level. Its a "reaping and sowing" concept. We cant be spoon fed by listening to podcast and think were gonna grow spiritually. Thats essentially just a head knowledge of another flawed human being and not true understanding. And there is a difference!
I believe we are to not only study who they were talking to, but also the timing/dispensation. Jeff reads the bible thru the eyes of old covenant and new covenant. And believes the idea that the Jews/Israel are done with. I see a complete opposite of that idea throughout the new testament. Anyhow, just thought I'd throw out another perspective. Have a good one!
@@KingjamesAV1611 I agree with you on the difficulty of biblical exegesis and I think we agree that the Mathew 24 and Revelation prophecies have an application in our day and age.
I differ with you on Israel and agree with Jeff on the Old Covenant/New Covenant.
I hold to the view that all in Christ are true Israel and all outside of Christ are outside of true Israel.
We can disagree while agreeing in the love of Christ.
Thank you for your perspective and the gracious spirit with which you presented it.
Be blessed.
Thanks for Pastor Webbon as well. I have been enjoying his channel. Really helpful.
Watching this had me in tears. I am so desperate to be in church.
This was so so so helpful for what I’ve been studying. Everything else has been so confusing and you have indeed made this relatable. Thank you Allie!
I'm in complete agreement with Jeff Durbin on the prophecies of Jesus being fulfilled in the judgment of Israel in 70 AD. What I have trouble understanding is the book of Revelation from a postmillenial view. What does Jeff do with the 7 seals and the 7 bowls of wrath? Basically I would really love for someone to exegete Revelation 16 for me.
Read Doug Wilsons book "When the man comes around"
@@Cinnamonbuns13 I'll check it out. Thanks!
School for Prophets has good videos on this topic. There are a lot of types and anti types in the Bible, what happened in 70AD is a type of what is to happen again.
There’s no way we could possibly exegete all this in a youtube comment. +1 for “When the man comes around”
@@nathanielkeane8462 I was definitely seeking resources. That'd be crazy to attempt all that in a comment 🤣 I'm sure some have tried though haha
I felt that way when I was premil, I didn't worry about culture because I felt he was coming soon, not saying all premil believe that but I knew a lot who did. Right now I am still figuring things out, I tend to lean towards postmil but my focus right now is presuppositional apologetics eschatology is next on my list. Matthew 24 is the reason I am no longer premil that and all the soon passages its impossible to defend from a premil level.
Me too!
Douglas Wilson's book "Heaven Misplaced" is the best, most succinct book on Postmillenialism I know of, in case anyone wants to do some follow up reading :)
Follow that with his "When the Man Comes Around" -- his full commentary on the book of Revelation.
Thanks for the rec. When it comes to this particular topic, I often feel like the more I read, the more confused I get. But I'm willing to keep reading different things!
@@Yesica1993 You can also try my books on Pauline Dispensationalism and Pauline Doctrine.
He Shall Have Dominion by Dr Ken Gentry is by far the best imo. Most scholarly work ever done on the postmil view
Thanks for recommending! I will add that to my list. Just finished “End times Fiction” by Gary Demar and LOVED it.
The more I listen, the sadder I get that he hasn’t understood the Bible and Gods plan. He conflates the church with Israel and pulls scriptures all out of context. I pray he gets with a solid teacher. Once I understood the whole picture, it’s beautiful and so much deeper that he presents
Assuming Israel and the church are completely separate contradicts Ephesians 2:11-22 and all of Galatians. Yes, 100%, God will save Israel (the nation), but this doesn't actually mean that we don't inherit the same promises and covenant that Israel had...Galatians 3 says we DO
You're artificially separating Israel from the "Church". There's only one group of God's people. If, and ONLY if Jesus Christ is your Lord and savior, you've repented and put your faith in Christ, are you in God's "people". Israel isn't automatically saved because of their nation or ethnicity.
@@Iffmeister 1 Corinthians 10:32. Within the Church, there is no division. Outside the Church, God still has Jews and Gentiles.
Ify Nsoha Jesus came to be the Messiah of Israel and bring the kingdom to the Jews. When they refused that offer, He then postponed the kingdom and offered eternal life to the believing Jews and the gentiles by His crucifixion and subsequent resurrection. When the fullness of the gentiles is complete romans 11:25, God will again put Jews into great tribulation, Jacobs Trouble Jeremiah 30:7, and when they look on Him whom they pierce Zechariah 12:10, John 19:37, they shall be saved. Jesus will return and at that time, sit on the throne of David and rule with a rod of iron Revelation 2:27. This is the future millennial kingdom of 1,000 years. The church reigns with Christ and this is our promise. The church isn’t Israel, separate programs, same Jesus dying for our sins and eternal life. Romans 11 explains this fully. The Jews will be crafted back in because God does NOT renig on His promises.
Cinnamonbuns13 they are separate programs, but all one in Christ
I can appreciate his knowledge of the Bible, ability to recite passages and and context, but I struggle with the theological stance.
Matthew 24 was for the Jewish nation, not Gentiles. For Christians? 1 Corinthians 15:51-58 "Behold, I tell you a mystery" and Titus 2:13 "The blessed hope".
"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."
Matthew 7:13-14
Allie, please have Pastor Jeff and Pastor John MacArthur on your podcast at the same time. That is, if they would both be down for it. I think it would be amazingly edifying for so many Christians.
From Eden to Abraham = 2000 years (when God called His nation for the first time).
2000 years later, Jesus comes through the back door of a stable in Bethlehem, paving a path for redemption.
2000 years later...you have us....
It’s soon guys.
This was an interesting conversation with Pastor Durbin. Different views spoken in love. And Pastor Webbon you make many great point about the necessity of gathering and the presence of Christ in those church services. Ultimately I have a clearer picture of the Church, and not only the Western/US church. Great food for thought. Thanks Allie.
You did it again Allie so a great discussion even though I am not a post-millennialist. Shoutout from the UK 🇬🇧
Allie, You’re so patient to allow him to talk about this view without interrupting.. that would be challenging. A bit of an overly intellectual point of view if you ask me. I don’t think He would make it that difficult for believers to understand. Lots of issues with this view and if nothing else, makes me want to study more.
Exactly. The literal approach requires far less mental gymnastics. Blessed are those who read and understand. Revelation is understandable, especially if you understand the OT. Keep it literal and everything falls into place.
Carol Berubee the Word is Alive and more prevalent now than ever! Reading Psalms is like reading “today”
That is my exact opinion! Reminds me of the calvinist vs arminian argument. I feel that Jesus did not make it this complicated, it's pretty straightforward in Scripture. I personally hold the premillenial view and I feel John MacArthur does a great job explaining that...but I do love Jeff Durbin and his ministry!! Not a gospel issue but it can definitely be dividing!
It's really not that complicated, and takes lots 9f study. Do you think the omniscient God wouldn't have depth and difficulty in dividing His Word, that Is the beauty that when studying you can find how amazing the LORD is? This is the living Word that has lasted for centuries and the worlds smartest people (most prior to the enlightenment) debated and discussed on a deep level. I would test you to truly study and spend time looking into this it will blow your mind and reveal more to you about how sovereign the LORD truly is. Either way God is good and the body has many members!
@@carolberubee mental gymnastics, I would argue that this isn't contorting Gods holy Word, but spending time and diligence to further understand Him and to read it correctly, while looking back through history to learn more about that time and what millenial of thoughtful thinkers have applied amd come to understand. I would agree that the premise is purely simple repent from sins and turn to Jesus Christ. However this requires learning about Jesus and God and how we get to know them through His Word. does it truly describe the Christian religion to be easy? I would contend that this isn't a very theistic view. Does God require a transformation and diligence from His followers? Does He want us to simplify His Word because it's easier that way? I am not trying to argue but to push you closer with God, and what He has revealed to us.
I would like to ask Jeff if the tribulation was during Nero, then what about the passages in Revelation concerning the 144,000, the Antichrist who dies and is raised after 3 days, the two witnesses, etc.?
Yes! My thoughts exactly...
Christopher Bell ok I appreciate that, but it doesn’t answer the question of the antichrist, the beast, and the false prophet, not to mention the treaty with Israel.
@Christopher Bell I've heard that answer before, but it still doesn't explain how "The Law and the Prophets" were slain, and the world rejoiced at their death, and then "The Law and the Prophets" rose to life 3 1/2 days later to the astonishment of the world, and then they were called up to heaven. It makes a lot more sense to take this literally as two men who were killed and rose from the dead.
Was there a mark of the beast???
@@karricompton the antichrist is never mentioned in Revelation.
I love Jeff Durbin and I agree with him on many Christian views. Eschatology is not one of them.
I totally agree Jeff’s great with the gospel but Eschatology he lost me, his view is very confusing.
Nathanael Inman What is his view? I am not able to listen until later
@@famventurez409 yes, hermeneutical gymnastics, great apologist on the street !
@Nathanael Inman ... and (ergo) salvation by grace was made up by Martin Luther after centuries of Catholicism...logical fallacy using Darby
@@robmoore8393 Good point Rob!
Chris Roseborough (Fighting for the Faith) professes to be an amillennialist. Being that he is a biblically solid pastor, it would be an interesting point of view to hear...
He's take is a bit different as he is a Lutheran. It's almost a hybrid of A and Post. Interesting take though.
The A-mil perspective basically sees God's People "The Church" in a No-win Stalemate vs Devil's forces all the way to the End of History.
I like Chris Roseboro a LOT but I believe he shares Martin Luthers fatal Theological flaw, his disastrous "Two Kingdoms" view. Luther was a blessed Reformer greatly used BUT he got the nature of the KINGDOM wrong - so wrong in fact that Scandinavian & German Socialism errors are the tragic result:
The flaw is investing the "State" with a Divine Imprimatur and then untethering it from God's Law.
In short, they rip God's warning to Tyrants, in Psalm 2, from their Bibles and then act shocked when the Ungodly multiply & dominate - which leads to massive pessimism on their part.
Contrast this with the English / Scottish / New Colonial view called the "Puritan Hope" that stressed a Unified Kingdom - Psalm 2, 22, 24, 72 110, 149 - Isaiah 9:6-7, I Corinthians 15, Acts 2 (Peter's Pentecost Sermon) + Eternal Rewards & Punishments for ALL men, especially including leaders & elected officials.
In Colonial New England they had Election day sermons to remind the new office holders of their Psalm 2 charge:
"Be wise O Kings, be instructed ye judges of the EARTH, serve the LORD with fear & rejoice with trembling, kiss the Son, lest He be angry and ye perish from the way when His wrath is kindled but a little.
How Blessed are all they that TRUST in Him".
I was raised Lutheran, then in Fundamentalist Dispensationalism & now by God's Grace, today optimistic Reformed Postmillennialism.
I try to appreciate all angles & retain a loving Catholicity - not confusing Essentials & non-essentials: Eschatology isn't an Essential, it's not stated in any of the Historic Creeds.
I see it like this: its a "Conclusive Expectation" a deduction that flows from ones Theological position, tempered by our experience & view of History.
If we don't know History in some reasonable depth & how LIBERTY developed in Western Christian Civilization then every time the Battle gets 'Hot' we'll either Faint or Retreat.
ONLY a solid resolute Strength from Christ our Reigning King is going to keep us steadfast.
I'm blessed to hear this conversation - Pastor Jeff's really explaining this well & Allie is allowing him while asking relevant questions.
Sorry so long - I hope that sheds light on A-mil Vs Postmillennialism !
Mother Goose I’m not sorry to have read it! Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
The Lord bless us and keep us until we are united with Him forever, in ever which order it will actually happen! 😂👍
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retroGRAD3 Ah! I see! Yes, it would be interesting... 👍
My Reformed brother Durbin, I love you. I love all my christian brothers.
“He will not grow faint or be discouraged till he has established justice in the earth; and the coastlands wait for his law.”
Isaiah 42:4
I once watched a talk Jeff Durbin gave explaining his biblical defence of Amillenialism and his examples just reinforced my Pre-Trib views. After hearing both sides of the argument I'm quite happy to plant my flag on the Pre-Trib side 🏁
Jeff is post mil
That statement, the church is in its infancy, that is profound and I agree with Jeff. If the church members were maturing as the church goes on, we wouldn’t have all these divisive denominations and false teachers. Unbelievers would be the minority. It will be a long time before Christ comes back. He’s in the process of building a victorious kingdom and not one that bows to the world system. In a sense, we are pioneers and should never give up.
Loved this forum today, Thank you Allie
I respect Jeff immensely. But I disagree with his position on eschatology. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 “Now brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that day will not come u less the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed the son of perdition.” Please read the rest of chapter two!
I would encourage you to watch Ken Gentrys sermon on 2 Thessalonians and the man of lawlessness here on RUclips. He is also Postmill and provides a good perspective on 2 Thessalonians. Keep digging, there are answers. Much love!
I was submerged into the endless gaping void
No air to breathe, no heart that beats
There was no life to carry me along
Then the flares, they turned into flames
And they carried my soul
Through the endless pain, I ascend
Then the flames they turn into flesh
And the making me whole
As I ascend
The word of God is alive and will always be past present and future. Find rest in the word in your season. Hebrews 4:12
The LORD may save billions before the Last Day, which could take a while, yet He can save 'whom He will' in a day.
His mercy 'endureth forever', and He is desiring to 'give grace to the humble', even 'more grace'! (Ja.4:6, Ps.149:4)
Bravo to Joel for nailing the fact that those that submit to the Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights are the ones being obedience to our governing authority and the rebels should be punished regardless if they are a state governor or even the president etc.
Excellent...now you need to have Jeff back to discuss his work against abortion etc...
Also on Jeff's points about being able to spread the gospel and are things getting worse...consider how much better things are in other ways. We have refrigerators full of food, air conditioning, autos, airplanes, we can literally travel around the world now in a matter of hours, medical breakthroughs, and on and on. All of this can be traced back to a Christian world view...
My question for either of you is, how do you know which passages refer to the future coming VS the coming of Christ in AD70? Specifically, can you point to the passages of Christ's coming, and show how it is either his future or past coming...
That’s exactly what I’m wondering. I’ve been trying to find partial preterists talking about the coming of Jesus that is future to us. They say they believe it but I can’t find them talking about it.
To Pastor Durbin; where do you accommodate Hosea 6:1-2 if you say that we have a long time, from now
If the third day it's so near?
“Come, let us return(A) to the Lord.
He has torn us to pieces(B)
but he will heal us;(C)
he has injured us
but he will bind up our wounds.(D)
2 After two days he will revive us;(E)
on the third day(F) he will restore(G) us,
that we may live in his presence.
A day is like a thousand years, a thousand years like a day!
@@truthinlovemama exactly! Think about this, in the year 30 Jesus die and resurrected right? (30-37 more or less)
So from 30 to 1030 is first day
From 1030 to 2030 is second day
From 2030 the beginning of the third day
Do we agree so far? Anyways:
Jesus resurrected on the third day, when the ladies went to the tomb early in the morning, He had already resurrected. What I'm getting at God gives us clues of when things should happen and if 2030 is the beginning of the third day there's only hours to resurrection. And Hosea affirms that so does revelation 6:12, when He opens the 6th seal it describes the same event that Jesus describes in the gospel. Does this makes sense? What do you think?
Adela Lax Yes, it makes a lot of sense. I’m not sure how soon in the third day His return will take place, but events like Israel becoming a state make me think sooner rather than later. AoC Network made a really good video about the Hosea prophecy and the year 2030. I’ve also seen others argue 2033 based on calendar irregularities. Either way, I do believe we are nearing the end/beginning. And if not now, sometime in the third day (millennium).
This is awesome stuff. Changed your walk with the Lord, and as Doug Wilson’s said, even something as simple as planting a hedge in your yard is something you start thinking about in terms of future great great grandkids. Your works become things you want to bless the future Kingdom and Church.
So helpful and encouraging- we are in the kingdom of God and Christ is reigning!
How in earth do figure? Where is Satan? Is he chained or in the lake of fire? Child sex trafficking is rampant. Government is corrupt. The Muslims want to wipe the Jews off the map. And how offensive is Jeff Durbin the way he talks about Israel. He won't even say the name Israel. He calls them covenant breakers. Well, guess what? They are covenant breakers. But God is not a covenant breaker. He cannot lie! What about all the promises he made to His chosen people? Is God a promise breaker? Replacement theology is straight from the pit of Hell. Jeff Durbin is extremely deceived, and so are you if you think this world is getting better.
i was once a premil/dispen and i listened to jeff and others like him and thought, they are so wrong!!!!!!!!!! i did my homework and read the bible for myslef and Jeff is right on the money!!!! it felt so good to finally know the truth!!! at first though, i was very upset when i finally realized that i had been wrong all those years it really "rocked my world so to speak!!!! but i had to know the truth that had been nagging at me for a long time because i just could not get past the fact that there are NUMEROUS passages that plainly say it was happening soon, not some 2000+ yrs into the future!!!! but what really bothered me the most was the prophecy in Daniel about the 70 wks of yrs and the insistence that there is this huge gap of time between wk 69 and 70!!!!! i never understood where in the bible that it even suggests that there be such a gap! plus, that prophecy already came true! to the letter!!!!! now it ALL finally makes sense!
Amen! I have a very similar story!
Amen!
amen brother!
LOL I hear this so many times Yet I have not heard one that can square it with scripture, I listened to so many of Durbin. Wilson even RC Sproul and the arguments are a house of cards held up by smoke and mirrors, The biggest thing they cling to is PRETRIB rapture is False, (I Agree) but it does not make their view true, Remember Disinstaionalism is new 1800's but premill has been from the beginning, ANd these guys know this though they love to act as if its one and the same just they same way they Love to correct people saying oh no brother we are not preterst only PARTIAL preterist when in truth its 99% I don't know if anything about hem is not deception
They Have no answer to The Abomination that causes desolation that can square with scripture
They Have no way to square no tribulation before or ever again unless these days have been cut short no one would have survived without just saying Jesus He is just exaggerating
There is no kings and rulers of the eath telling rocks to fall on us to hid us from Christ
There are no eath quakes boils water turning to blood and all the other plagues in rev
Most of All What did Jesus say to not be deceived by EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM it can't be missed like lighting from the east to the west, Every eye even those who pierced him And they shall Mounrs for him as one mourns for an only child
ANd ALL the people of the eath will Mourn because of him When they see him
Very similar to me as well. When I became a Christian, by default the only view I ever heard was Dispensationalism. Until one day Durbin has Kenneth Gentry on and from that point on I studied and studied and picked up all the scholarship I could on Eschatology and began to see all of the deceptive holes in Dispensationalism.
Gosh. I just don’t agree with him on eschatology at all. I don’t agree with the mindset he has placed on the church for believing the end is near...if you see signs that the “end” is near you go into full blown “spreading the good news mode” not sit back and wait mode (JUST like Noah did). Maybe that’s how he would feel? But I don’t think it’s a very realistic analogy to place on “the church”. Also, if everything that was written was only for the early disciples in 70AD then why read the Bible at all if it doesn’t still apply to our lives and what’s to come now? Maybe I’m totally misunderstanding him?? but I just don’t agree....
I believe that what was then is what is now. This pastor is partly right in what the holy spirit has shown me. We are near the end because I feel it in my spirit. The last will be the first and the first the last. We have signs that are so blatant and so obvious that you could never change my mind about the end being near. This whole video seems more like a school project than a heartfelt message from our Father. I understand they are seeking answers and I appreciate their hard work and diligence. I just disagree.
Thank you for sharing the postmillenial view on your channel! I love Jeff!
2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, *be not ignorant of this one thing,* that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
I enjoy listening to Jeff Durbin. He has done some really good work with Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, and on abortion. But as Calvinist I believe he holds also to replacement theology. Like when he said that "We follow a Palestinian Jew" at 33:32-33:42 minutes/seconds in the video. Thus I don't hold the same theology on Israel as he does. Would like to see him debate Jack Hibbs on the rapture.
@Brent Lohrenz
Incorrect. Postmillenialism is not replacement theology. That’s a misnomer. Post millennialism and covenant theology is the fulfillment of the covenants. Which Israel is part of the church now. I use to go to Calvary chapel chino hills. Jack would not know what hit him if he debated Durban.
@@markluna3749 after watching the progression of events from when I posted my first response I would agree with you about the out come of the debate. As also my eschatology has shifted also, no longer a per tribe belief holder. So much more to learn and understand. Blessings
@@brentlohrenz4298 awesome!!
On His RUclips channel He has a whole series on revelation and on Matthew on the Olivet discourse.
I use to be pre trib dispensational
But I came to quickly realize how ignorant we are of the Old Testament especially it’s imagery and symbolism. How we also need it to interpret the New Testament!
God bless!
@@markluna3749 Dalton Thomas and Joel Richardson have a great teaching on Revelation. The way the Olivet Discourse lines up with the seals opened my eyes. And as of today, with the Afghanistan disaster, I think next on the prophetic is Daniel ch 8. Tell ya I'm way more calm about end times. I used to look for the rapture at every turn. Now I know when the antichrist will be revealed and the signs to watch for. Unfortunately persecution is coming in a form that us in the west have no imagination about. Just pray for our brothers and sisters to continue and stand firm in our faith in Christ. Blessings to you. I will check out those teachings.
Yes I picked up on that too. A teacher's position on national Israel is very important.
that entire discussion was absolutely fabulous... God Bless
JEFF DURBIN IS A SPIRITUAL SAVAGE WARRIOR.... johnnny cage of mortal combat... which Jeff also was.... is a wimp to the Jeff Durbin of today
Please remember that Matthew 24 does not refer to the pretrib rapture. The rapture of the body of Christ was a mystery that was revealed to the apostle Paul. No body even heard about the rapture until Paul revealed it in the new testament.
Sorry if I missed Jeff Durbin missing a very important passage for his position but for an even stronger proof, I remember him mentioning the first half of Acts chapter 2 but if you keep reading through Acts chapter 2 especially verses 29-36, this really cinches down the fact that Gods promise to seat one of his descendents on the thrown was fulfilled in the resurrection and ascension to the right hand of the Father. Note the Davidic promise is referenced "God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne" then immediately says "He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption" and then goes on to quote the exact same prophecy the Apostle Paul referenced "The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Until I make thy foes thy footstool." This ought to really seal the fact that Christ's ascension to the right hand of the Father WAS the fulfillment of God's promise to king David that one of his descendants would sit on his throne.
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
This also meshes perfectly with what Jesus proclaimed in Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
For a more detailed Biblical defense of Christs and His Apostles interpretation of prophecy, see Gregory Barkman's sermon series on this topic, I highly recommend it:
www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=6250392959
Joel Webbon brought truth. Amen brother. I took the church (the gathering) for granted for so long.
I am a born again christian and I completely disagree, this time that we are living in is very different. God is showing his TRUE CHURCH that he is about to return so we are ready. God says HIS PEOPLE WILL NOT be taken by surprise at his returning! We are about to experience the greatest event in our world's history, the Return of Jesus!! Yeah, I'll be the one with a smile from ear to ear, jumping for joy! If you can't see that Jesus is at the door, examine yourself that you are in the faith.
Our prayers are with you Steve. The Lord uphold you through your suffering. Allie, the problem with your and Jeff's eschatology, as I see it, is you conflate the 2nd coming with the rapture. Two different events. The tribulation period is for the nation Israel, Daniel 9. 2 Thess. 2 describes the rapture happening before the Antichrist comes. Many more.
Glenn Hitchcock I recommend Jeff’s sermon series on Matthew 24, also the book “End Times Fiction” by Gary Demar.
The last days "began" during the first century. We are still in those last days - the days of the Messiah - the Messianic age. There have been 5 ages in the past - Adam to Noah, Noah to Abraham, Abraham to David, Davide to the Exile, and the Exile to the Messian. We are now in the Messianic age. The age to come is yet to come.
I’m listening to Dr Andy Woods and agree with him that Matthew 24 is directed to Israel and not the church. The prophecy of some verses was fulfilled in 70AD. It’s on YT and he backs up with scripture.
Andy Woods is amazing! Jeff Durbin should debate him. Andy is an amazing bible scholar. He would put Jeff to shame.
Wow! Pastor Joel Webbon was impressive!
What Jeff misses is that the first century was the end of the Age of the Covenant of Israel.
We are now living in the end of the Age of the for the entire world.
There is a repeat of those prophetic events on a global scale.
Yes God’s plan is so amazing...prophetic events can be both fulfilled in the past and yet to come again in the future.
How do you know God does both
@@ttownsupreme2183 That principle is all throughout scripture.
For example in Malachi it says God shall send Elijah before the Lord to prepare the way for the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord.
Our Lord said that John the Baptist was the fulfillment of that, yet we know that God's plan for earth is not complete we still await the completion of the Day of the Lord and Elijah in another form as Revelation 11 suggests by the Two Witnesses.
@@thenowchurch6419 So you are relying on situational themes that may or may not apply.....
Remember John addressed Revelation to the 7 churches of ASIA
he said he was there brother and partner in the tribulation...he also told them in Chapter 1 these things would come QUICKLY.
He said"Even so,come, Lord Jesus"
I used to be a futurist like you...however...the anxiety the futurist congregation church is for reading somebody else's mail.
John was warning of impending doom against these churches and what to expect
Jesus said that some of them standing here would not see death until the son of Man comes in with his Kingdom in Luke chapter 9 and Matthew chapter 16.
If this didnt happen in their lifetime in the 1st century..Jesus would be a false prophet.But he's not because he did come.
@@ttownsupreme2183 Brother you do not understand my position.
I believe He did come in A.D. 70 but that was for Israel and the early Jewish Christians.
That was a small version of what is happening globally now.
Is this a salvation issue in your opinion?
In my opinion it is not.
Be well in Christ brother.
If we are in the infancy of the church that’s discouraging! I understand God wants none to perish & all to come to repentance. But there’s so much pain I’m hoping & praying He comes quickly!
So Pastor Jeff doesn’t believe in a rapture at all?
Does he think that the end of times ( the end goal ) is for humans to build this God kingdom on earth? Or God is building his kingdom on earth? He probably thinks that when Peter says the elements will burn, is only a spiritual way and not physical, or a new heaven and a new earth is not physical it's a mental change?
I’m on Jeff side
Respecting those who are not , including Dr McArthur who’s a great preacher as well but pre-mill
I just can’t see better and more consistent view than post mill
Would ask Jeff, so if Nero was the antichrist, then did he get cast alive into the lake of fire? Or is that somehow a metaphor too?
Good question because, according to Revelation, the beast and the false prophet immediately get cast into the Lake of Fire upon Christ's return. So, that leads to another question. If Christ already returned (and He had to if the Antichrist is in the Lake of Fire), how come there's nothing in recorded history that confirms it? Every eye will see Him coming in glory, but no one writes a word about it?
It's all metaphor and analogy to the Reformed group.
You should reach out to Amir Tsarfati from Behold Israel Ministry to talk to him about pre-millennialism, end times, and pre-trib rapture + current events in the middle east and Israel that point to that world-view. Its very interesting.
Yes! I love Amir! What Jeff and Ally seem to forget is that God is not finished with Israel. Jeff can even bring himself to say, "Israel." He calls them covenant breakers. It's sickening. It promotes antisemitism.
NO and YES, because WE NEVER KNOE WHEN JESUS COME!!!!
Lot of problems with this view. What about the scripture it says every eye shall see him come? This is like the Jehovah witnesses that say Christ came invisible so no one seen him come. What about the man of sin being revealed who sets itself up as God and puts himself in the temple of God. That has not happened. The mark of the beast being not able to buy and sell has not happened.
Postys believe in a second coming still to come.
Agreed..
Doesn't it say, "Every eye shall see Him, even those that peirced Him"? I believe this is talking about the 70 AD judgement coming where those that peirced Him were still alive.
Agree about the mark
What this, he answers your questions here. ruclips.net/video/vCowyAPvGaA/видео.html
I remember the first time I heard Jeff talk about PostMil and how much I didn't like what he was saying. As I kept listening to their content I couldn't get past how their fervor for God and justice in the world is an outpouring of their eschatology. Post mil eschatology seriously changes your Christian worldview for the positive. At the very least, please Christian, if you don't believe in post mil, live as if it's true. At the very least you'll get raptured along with the rest of us post mil people and you'll have had the pleasure of a positive eschatology.
Waiting for the Rapture and living a discouraged life, I think, has been the most detrimental position the Church (especially the American church) has adopted the last 150 or so years.
Cinnamonbuns13 There’s no discouragement in a Christian life that lives according to God’s Word and walks in the Spirit.
Eschatology has absolutely nothing to do with how a Christian should live there life.
We should live our lives according to the Word of God.
Period.
Your eschatological view does not change the Word of God and what it says.
Christians aren’t to live there lives based on feelings.
If they are then the issue is NOT with their eschatological view but the issue is with THEM and the fact they are not living their lives as they should.
Eschatological views have no bearing on how you live your life.
The word of God is the only bearing that one should live their life by.
And again “if” someone’s eschatological view is causing them to live their live in an unbiblical manner then the issue is with them as an individual and not with Word of God.
@@apilkey I think you're honestly kidding yourself if you think the end times predictions and rapture fever haven't been a detriment to the Church. Eschatology matters. Period.
The difference between Puritans establishing the New World for Christ and people looking at blood moons and looking for a red heifer while stock piling buckets of food is mostly an Eschatological one.
Eschatology can shape how you read the whole Bible. If you're honest with yourself, one is optimistic and the other is pessimistic. Telling people they're going to lose so badly the coach is going to pull them out of the game, effects how they play.
Cinnamonbuns13 Again to repeat myself the problem is with those individuals and NOT the Word of God.
Cinnamonbuns13 first of all that is your opinion. Believing in pre trib actually motivates me to share the gospel because I believe he could come at anytime and many people I know and repeat many share that same fervency and they are pre trib. Jeff’s assertion here is purely and opinionated one and that’s it just like you. It’s all in how you look at it. The same could be said about post trib as well. If you believe that all has happened and the anti christ is Nero meaning he has already come then I could just go about my life knowing that even if the rapture isn’t true then he will be coming back soon and so I just need to keep busy until he returns again. It’s how each individual is motivated by them like myself. Don’t you dare paint every one that is pre trib in the same boat. You have them on both sides bro.
Cinnamonbuns13 Jeff converted me to post-mil. I was pre-trib my whole life until about 18 months ago when I started listening to Jeff. I was amazed that I had never seriously held my view to scripture and I just trusted what I was taught in youth group. He also introduced me to Gary Demar who I love so much now. I just read “End times fiction” and it cleared up so many things for me.
I somehow managed to get through that; only turned it off twice; got really frustrated with Mr Durban a few times. I would ask him this: WHUT?!?! Infant Church?!?! Long way to go?!?!?! What cave or rock have you been hiding under sir???
Um, have you seen any of his debates with atheists/Satanists/Mormons/abortionists? Have you seen any of the clips of Apologia Church missions outside abortion clinics?
Trust me: this man understands how wicked the world is. Probably even more than you or I do I would argue.
What you ought to be doing (instead of pointing at the state of the world today and wringing your hands) is disproving his arguments with other, better sound Biblical, theological and historical arguments. If you're not doing this, you're kind of just proving his point. American Christians are outraged that they get shadow banned on social media and cry about how oppressed they are; Roman Christians during the time of Nero were caught, chained to trees in the emperor's garden, covered in tar and lit on fire to light up his parties. That's WAAAAAY worse than most "oppression" experienced by most Christians in the world today. He's not wrong at all to think that things are getting better-nor is he wrong to say that God's church is still growing and proceeding through the world and still has a long way to go to carry out Matthew 28.
Boogiewalker According to “who” is Matthew 28 a long way from being fulfilled?
I’m assuming you’re speaking of verses 19,20.
Do you think God’s hands are tied somehow with this passage and Christ can return?
@@apilkey Are all of Christ's enemies under his feet? Christ will not return until after all his enemies are made a footstool. No one is tying God's hands but he stated the criteria for his return.
Cinnamonbuns13 Wrong. Show me where in scripture He said it says He’s waiting for His enemies to be made a footstool before He can return.
If you’re referring to Psalm 110:1 it says absolutely nothing about that.
Psalm 110:1
1 The LORD said unto my Lord,
Sit thou at my right hand,
until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Please show me where in this verse it says, “The LORD said unto my Lord,
Sit thou at my right hand, and DON’T RETURN TO EARTH
until I make thine enemies thy footstool.”
EVERYTHING is under His feet right now.
Based on your logic then He will never return unless people stop having babies.
4 babies are born every second so as soon as “His enemies are all under His feet” and He starts returning then He has to stop and go back and sit down because 4 more “enemies” were just born so now not all His enemies are under His feet anymore and He has to wait again.
“All His enemies under His feet” is not some quantifiable magic number.
Christ’s enemies will be out under His feet AT HIS RETURN:
1 CORINTHIANS 15:51-57
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, 👉THEN SHALL👈 be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
@@apilkey it's that little word "UNTIL". You're right, Christ is Lord over all NOW. I'm not disagreeing with that.
Great job Jeff.
I really tried to understand him, I watched it twice. This confused me so much.
Jeff is a serious and solid brother, unfortunately he has overlooked a lot of scripture which is becoming very obvious in its being fulfilled. The Middle East and Israel are very pivotal in the second coming of Christ. Probably won’t rate this teaching very well. Be blessed Jeff.
There’s answers for all that in Postmillenialism too. Israel under the new covenant isn’t a current nation state. It’s all believers. We are Israel.
Interview Voddie Baucham for the Amillennial view. He would be excellent.
Maranatha!
I think it is safe to say that we are in “the last days” if we take scripture literally. But I just didn’t understand how that automatically makes us in the millennial kingdom yet. It is fairly obvious that the six seal of Revelation6(great earthquake and sun become black and sky vanishes) has not happened yet. And the millennial kingdom starts after the rider of the white horse marries his bride and defeats the beast and his army. Has this happened and I missed it? Also Rev 20 indicates some sort of resurrection occurs with dead saints. (Also did I miss this?). He mentions having to ignore scripture with a premillennialism view but I feel like you have to ignore and allegorize WAY more scripture with a post millennial view. Also it clear by Romans 9-11 and Rev 7 that there is more to come with Israel and the role they play. Just some thoughts but I’m not a bible scholar by any means
The Last Days were in operation in Jesus day & the Generation from his resurrection to the "Final Curtain" on wicked Covenant breaking Israel.
In murdering their Messiah then rejecting Him fully, the once faithful bride of Jehovah turned Harlot.
Ergo God rained Judgement on them - Israel was beseiged in all her cities & ravished fully in Jerusalem & the Temple, totally fulfilling Matthew 24, Mark 13 & Luke 21 - all Christians escaped & over 1.5 millions Jews slaughtered by Roman armies acting out God's Divine Sentence.
As it was the Utter Desolation of God's former Covenant nation, Tragic ! And called for this reason "The Great Tribulation".
But as we see in Acts, the Church the New Faithful Bride of CHRIST was the result so here we are 2020 years later back then 12 disciples now 2.5 BILLIONS worship JESUS as LORD.
So the Great Commission is proceeding. The blood of the Martys is the seed of the church.
We need to make use of the peaceful Lawful means we here in the USA possess to beat back this nascent Humanist Tyranny. This is crucial as the world needs so much Evangelization & Discipling that's why Satan tries to subvert the Christian Church here especially - so the lesser developed nations can remain unreached. Ergo we must remain Steadfast & fight on our knees before God's Throne - knowing the FATHER will anser the prayers of JESUS to be given "the Nations for your inheritance & the uttermost parts of the Earth for yout possession" - see Psalm 2 & 110 for context.
We have 4.5 BILLIONS more to convert - the Holy Spirit working thru US his body on earth via the WORD is more than able !
Yes I agree with you, I think if we look at all the previous prophecies that were fulfilled, we can see that no matter how symbolic the language each prophecy was fulfilled literally. Especially I think Daniel's prophecy shows us that. If the first 69 weeks were fulfilled literally than the last week will be fulfilled literally. I also agree that Isreal still has a part to play in future events, I like to look at the book of Hosea and the story of his marriage to Gomer. Gomer continuously strays from Hosea, purposefully seeking other men but in the end because of Hosea's long suffering, forgiveness and faithfulness to his marriage covenant, she eventually comes back to him for good. Gomer represents Isreal, who seeks after other gods constantly and Hosea represents God, who in His own covenant with Israel is long suffering waiting for the time when Israel calls out for her true God.
@@MissMikato
The only aspect to consider is all the promises made to Israel in the Old Covenant are repeated in the New but applied to the worldwide multi Ethnic Church, and not along racial lines. Conclusion:
THE CHURCH IS ISRAEL NOW.
If any persons claiming racial Heritage from Abraham or holding to Traditions from him Repent how do they come to God ?
By placing their Trust wholly in JESUS CHRIST ergo joining the Church.
Again, The Church is ISRAEL NOW.... racial Israel is never to be again....
@@hellosunshine1090 I believe replacement theology is a very hard doctrine to align with scripture. Romans 10 and 11 talks about Israel's status and God's plan for the nation.
"I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew." - Romans 11:1-2
Romans 11: 11 states that because Israel rejected Christ, that salvation has come to the Gentiles. You and me can now be grafted into the kingdom of God.
"For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that the blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentile has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."" Romans 11:25-27 (Also check out Psalm 14:7, 53:6, 89:30-37 and Hosea 14)
Now don't get me wrong, I absolutely 100% agree that if an individual of Jewish faith and ancestry believes in Christ as their Messiah, in the Church age, they would be considered a Christian; as there is no difference between Jew and Gentile in Christ. However, there is a difference between Messianic Jews in the Church age and Jews in the tribulation period. We know that there is a difference between Christians and Jews in revelation; Christians being called "Tribulation Saints" and the 144000 sealed Jewish people of the 12 tribes of Israel; that is one Jewish group that is protected from satan by God (Read Revelation 12:13-17 to see God's protection of these Israelites). So that means that the Church doesn't replace Israel entirely, only that until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, Israel will be placed to the side of God's focus.
Christ's first advent was to redeem individual persons, whether that was Jews or Gentiles. Christ's second advent will be in response to Israel's complete repentance as a nation. As I said in my previous comment, we can look to fulfilled prophecy in the Bible to see that future prophecy will be fulfilled in the same literal way.
Thanks for taking the time to read this, I really enjoy talking to people that have differing views on the secondary doctrines. I find it really edifying when we, both Christians, can talk about our different perspectives and help each other learn in a loving way. God bless you and have a great day.
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The only way "So shall all Israel br saved" is even possible is if ALL Israel is ALL the Church, right ?
Replacement Theology is a poor term.
I believe those who use it have a Deficient Christology - which leads to a defective Ecclesiology.
There is a slim book by Charles Provan called "The Church is ISRAEL Now" - its really a collated Index scanning & listing ALL PROMISES to Old Covenant ISRAEL & Then putting them side by side with ALL PROMISES to the New Covenant CHURCH.
They're indentically re-stated to ALL Members of the Church be they Jewish or Gentile Converts.
So the plan of Salvation is the same for both Jew & Greek.
Its only Fundamentalist Dispensationalism that tries to maintain that there's 2 people of GOD.
Its aka Christian Zionism and NOT well supported unless you slice & dice Scripture and ignore LOTS of passages.
I'd also point out that modern Israel is NOT friendly to Christian belief - they criminalize prosletyzing in fact.
To become an Israeli one MUST renounce CHRIST specifically.
The most virulently Anti Christ & Anti American Muslim nation on Earth is Saudi Arabia and - no surprise the Israelis are in big with the Saudis.
Not surprising as both nations fight CHRIST and Christians everywhere.
Of course the State of Israel tries to whitewash this for 2 reasons:
- Massive Tourism $$$ much from Western Christian nations
- $80 Billion US Foreign aid.
There is NO equivalency between Historic Old Covenant ISRAEL & the modern political state founded as an Agnostic Zionist entity.
But they sure do count on Christian Americans ignorance on these matters.
Wow. How does he know so much? He must be anointed. He is a perfect combination of reading a book and telling a story. My kid can do this too, with Harry Potter books.
Revelation hasn’t happened yet
Not all of it, but most.
Wow,talk about ignorant, she is the poster child !
It's happening right before your eyes Charlotte! But unfortunately you're blind so ask the Lord to open your eyes quit believing the lies of preachers
@@patrickgragg5602 wow man, very rude. Show some charity.
Yes it has.
This was very interesting. Thanks for taking it on. But I found myself wanting to know more... especially when it comes to the book of Revelation, Israel, and the Antichrist. If you take this view, it seems like a lot of questions are answered, but even more questions arise. I guess this means I'll need to do a deep dive into the position myself.
Jeff Durbin has a few sermons on this and so does Doug Wilson! I started with Jeff’s sermon “who will be left behind”… hope this helps. Other resources are the puritans, and Kenneth Gentry for more scholarly work.
Yes, I have many questions! I'm wondering if the Book of Revelations already happened, who were the two witnesses in chapter 11? Also the battle of Armageddon? I'm more confused now then I was when he started talking
@@beequeen626 it’s such a vast topic! Took me 3 years of study to get my bearings. Keep digging it’s worth it 😊
But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God- 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.
Timothy 3:1-5
Thank You!🤓😎♥️🔥♨️
Jeff responded to this. "The last days" were in the Disciples generation.
@@johnmyers3450 haha, and now things are so much better. yeah...
Post mellinial- na we good things will get better. 🙂🫠
I hope the answer is yes, because I am sick and tired of this world.
Absolutely love this interview!
Thank You Joel Webbon for your insight!👍🙌👋
wow. Halfway through and I...think..I'm starting to understand what he is saying. wow hmm, must keep searching. 💛 most gracious Jeff, thank you
Joel Webbon sounds very interesting. I will start listening to him.