Tackling The Boy Crisis | Michael Kimmel | TEDxSydney
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2016
- In the world of gender studies, Michael Kimmel is what you might describe as an early adopter. He has spent much of the last forty years calling himself a feminist. But for a good deal of his career as an academic and writer, he has been thinking and exploring the behavior of men, and believes that feminism can be men’s salvation. In this talk, he explains why we need to rethink the way we educate our boys to prevent them from falling through the cracks.
Dr. Michael Kimmel is one of the world’s leading experts on men and masculinities. He was called “the world’s most prominent male feminist” in The Guardian newspaper in London.
He is the SUNY Distinguished Professor of Sociology and Gender Studies at Stony Brook University. Among his many books are Manhood in America, Angry White Men, The Politics of Manhood, The Gendered Society and the best seller Guyland: The Perilous World Where Boys Become Men. With funding from the MacArthur Foundation, he founded the Center for the Study of Men and Masculinities at Stony Brook in 2013.
This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at ted.com/tedx
"Academic disengagement is a sign of masculinity"
Just out of curiosity, isn't that also a stereotype?
It totally is. This guy did not at all focus on the issue of men falling behind in school and instead used it as a chance to ridicule men on how to support women.
I actually think he's being misinformed and brainwashed by hyperpseudointellectual feminists. He should picture a huge stop sign in front of him, afterwards he should rename himself "I am a dim-witted and useless Mr.Gullible boomer who believes that everything feminists do or say is right, I like feminists because of the pleasure I get from naiveness!"
I'm pretty sure that's how he was presenting it. He wasn't trying to make it an objective statement; at least, that's how I interpreted it.
I'm confused, he used that statement rhetorically to show people how counterproductive it is. What is the point of you asking that question?
@@arazec1014 There's no way that's what you actually took from the video.
There was actually a study that showed female teachers would rate girls higher than boys for the same work
I definetly believe there is some level of female favoritism in class rooms with female teachers.
@@tonyabram9119 same
They do that at my school I can prove it and actually have girls that have received 85’s on an assignment and a boy the same age same grade revived a 56. They both did all the problems right. They did all their problems correctly and both put their name and date on the paper but the female teacher continuously favorited the girls.
@@skippy6535 yeah I don't know why but female teachers just tend to be more sexist
I had problems with this growing up
how about we start with equality in the family courts
Inequality in family court systems starts with the sexist idea that woman are natural caregivers. This is the result of strict gender roles.
@@ro0wen I finally found a reasonable comment here!
This is because women study much harder and most lay and medicine professionals and all diplomats are women. A male construction worker is not the same as a female lawyer.
Musashijosei when the men realise the patriarchy is against them too then we'll reach equality lol
@@ro0wen isnt patriarchy the same thing as gynocentrism and feminist's use this abuse men rather than taking the responsibility for their own actions.
So women have said for years and it has been excepted that when all the CEO's are men, women don't think they can be one, but he says that having all women teachers makes no difference to boys.
All female administrators means male students don't feel comfortable getting help with certain issues and just bottle it up.
Yeah and there's less male teachers
@@stargazer2042 Intersting. I'd not thought of that before.
So this was supposed to be a talk on why boys are falling behind at school...but by the end he was basically just rambling on about how men need to support women more and stop listening to Eminem...
This just shows that feminists really don't care about men's issues
Ben Faulkner Women’s issues r still not at the top of the agenda. Men’s issues & men’s power has been at the top for centuries. When children r placed 1st in our society We will know Women’s issues r stepping up to a equal place at the table
@@lisawood365 that's the most BS I have heard in quite some while.
Lisa Wood no... you are just wrong.
Thank you for the summary. I won't watch any further. I got to the part where he made an insulting remark about boys' emotional maturity, and began to wonder whether this guy was actually going to give a talk that would help boys. Apparently not. (Also, he thinks that the "boy crisis" message is "everywhere we look"? Hogwash. I haven't seen it much at all!
Lot of boys here in this thread that don't understand what it means to be a man. Lets just take _strength_ as one example. You will all agree that a man should have some measure of strength I hope? How much strength does it take for you to be afraid of people you don't like? Conversely, how much strength does it take to admit when you are wrong? Because a person will not admit they are wrong because they are *afraid* to.
Now lets talk about compassion. How much strength does it take to ignore someone who may be weaker at something? Or even to talk bad about them because of their problem? Conversely, how much strength does it take to go out of your way to help someone?
It is just a fact that more or less what you put out into the world is what you will get back. You may not see immediate results, but things do come back to you. If you are respectful to others, then you have drastically increased your chances of others respecting you too. I could give dozens of examples why it is in your own best interest to be compassionate, but I challenge you to figure it out for yourselves. Or to *logically* explain otherwise, if you are able.
The guy is talking about "tackling the _boy_ crisis" and his conclusion is: "So, my feeling is we already know the answer to this. We already know what it feels like to support _women_, to love _women_, to want _them_ to succeed" (15:33). He seems very focused on the boys' issues, indeed.
Also, it is very telling that he makes a joke about the rates of boys to girls at "risk for emotional immaturity" being only 2.5:1, commenting that this should be higher (at the same time dismissing the issue and insulting the boys), right before giving the statistics about suicides (1:41). In fact, he does it _in the middle_ of his presentation of the suicide data! Not that the fact that more boys kill themselves than girls should be taken, you know, seriously. Let's just mention it in passing while everyone is laughing and move on quickly. Fantastic. With no bias at all.
You want respect? You have to be respectful.
You want love? You have to be loving.
You want support? You have to be supportive.
*Obviously.*
Aylbdr Madison you maybe right. but you still have to see that we boys are told if a man does all those things, he wouldn't be a "real" man annymore. so quit talking about things you dont understand. thanks
maybe because the literal crux of hegemonic masculinity studies is about the ultracategorizing of the woman as the incarnation of everything negative while men are completely emtpy concepts defined as being the opposite of women (thus a negative of a negative)? if you get that (mostly by reading more of the works on the subject than a extremely tightly timed presentation), youd see how crucial it is
also good quote by cutting it straight in the middle and discarding the rest of the idea to drain the context of bringing that support towards women to men as well from it
@@aylbdrmadison1051 we do all this yet we are still called villian and sexist
This felt a lot more like “here’s the problem with boys” than “here are the problems facing boys in our world today”
Really? It seemed more like the latter to me, except without focusing entirely on the problems but more of a generalized talk.
A lot of "facts" and a lot of "situation" where the point of the conversation has no goal or conclusion.
You think so? I never heard him blame the boys, only saying how harmful the stereotypes in our society are to boys and men. And that we have to stop those cliches.
Did you watch the whole video? Or are you just trolling
When I was in school, not caring about academics wasn't a sign of my masculinity, no. Not caring about academics was simply me not being interested in the curriculum. If you're interested in what you're learning, you're going to want to engage more in the subject. Often times I had teachers who just jud the students read a few paragraphs and answer some questions, or work in group. I hated that! No real engagement. I prefered the teacher who always challenged us.... made us think.... wanted to know what we thought. I noticed my classmates always responded most to that type as well because we're all having a conversation as opposed to just memorizing a book.
I agree, and even now, it isn't my male friends 'congratulating' me, it is my female ones. We often discuss how the American education system is very one-sided and how the system forces you to fit inside a box to get good grades and be seen as intelligent.
This video seemed like he was victim-blaming boys and not suggesting any solutions
I agree with that.
Yeah he's certainly boy bashing.
i have adhd, if you are misdiagnosed with adhd and treated for it ( which most young boys are ) you develop an insensitivity to the dopamine released within the brain. this is a big problem seeing as dopamine is the reward or motivation drug / chemical that your brain releases when you do something you feel happy about or that you like to do, it makes you feel fulfilled. if you gain an insensitivity to this affect you will become unmotivated and less responsive to reward. misdiagnosing our boys has got to stop, taking a stimulant such as adderall or vivance can be extremely dangerous to those who don’t need it, if a boy had bipolar disorder ( a psychotic illness ) and takes vivance ( stimulant that often is shown to induce psychosis in misdiagnosed patients ) you can get a REALLY bad interaction of chemicals that may make a boy more violent physically. this doesn’t occur as often in women because most women don’t develop adhd they develop a calmer version of the disorder referred to as add and are thus less likely to be put on stimulants and if bipolar or autism actually ends up being their true diagnosis the stimulant was never given and therefore up to that point never had the chance to change the brain chemistry of the girl, unlike the boy who is almost 50% more likely to be misdiagnosed with adhd due to the way bipolar and autism show themselves more outwardly in men.
I feel for you, when you say you have the disorder ADHD. It is difficult. Though the challenges with ADHD & ADD are more complex than what you raise. Many things you said here about that and other disorders are inaccurate. While you may understand these topics in that way, things you wrote are incorrect scientifically.
I hope others do not take your words as fact, and they research them on reputable medical/science-based websites.
2 sec glance at the comments saved 17 minutes of my life.😂😂😂😂
I bet he doesn't get along with Farrell.
Rofl
here's what I think you should do start my think tank with dr. Warren Farrell Michael Messinger Michael Kimmel in the same room
It is good that his son was able to learn something from his father. Many boys are unable to learn anything from their fathers because they are absent. Which in turn is a detriment to everything he was mentioning men need to be doing.
Most fathers are absent by doing of the moms. Ever been to family court, ever been thought about the subject?
@@mikebrandenburg9922 no disagreement here. I’d also add the welfare state has some blame here as well.
This guy is the problem not the solution.
What the
Explain
"...we know our children are as different as snowflakes..." lmao😂😂😂
could anyone please explain to me what's funny about that? I'm German and don't get it. thank you
@@kattls7275 in America and Canada people who are very left wing (American left) who do their activism are usually called snowflakes because they tend to apply so many titles to themselves to be unique. And people who go around being offended by everything are also called snowflakes. In short it’s a term that refers to people who act like everything is an attack on them while they try to be different (to the point of absurdity)
@@agunn4740 thank you!
@@kattls7275 In North America conservatives call liberals snowflakes as an attempt to belittle them and tell them they are not unique or special. Quite ironic given that snowflakes literally are unique and special.
he just kinda asserts stuff and doesn't back it up
He engages in way too much emotional thinking, missing the logical part of it all. And he sort of plays the toady to feminism. Not an exceptionally masculine way to put forth an argument on behalf of our boys.
Reading the comments first saved 17 mins of my life
I pray to every god in the Pantheon that Michael Kimmel is not allowed access to any boys at all.
In case I was just being a male and was getting disengaged, did this guy tackle the boy crisis?
First time watching this - can’t quite put my finger on it but it doesn’t really feel like he addressed anything. Or offer any real solutions or that he really knows what the problem is. He ends with how older men who have daughters suddenly become feminists when their daughters come of age. What does that have to do with the problem with boys? What it does is it draws focus to the solution of raising boys on how boys and men treat women and girls. Not focusing on how we relate to each other as men and boys and emotional range, self value and a slew of other things.
I bet this guy will also say the same when he says there is no empirical evidence that will say there is no need of female role models to increase women participation.
What in boy crisis has anything to do with supporting women? Somebody explain this to me!
theoretically women have children at some point and some of these children are boys.
You want respect? You have to be respectful.
You want love? You have to be loving.
You want support? You have to be supportive.
*Obviously.*
@@aylbdrmadison1051says a woman who calls you misogynist or sexist as soon as you tell her to respect men just like women LOL
Right now I am between jobs, and it's hard. I'm not being a provider. and my self identity is in a state of limbo. I hope I will have a job again soon so that I can find my new identity. How do you identify yourself while you are between jobs? and could you please state your gender(s).
Masculinity is not the issue. Your ability to be a leader that inspires cooperation and camaraderie is the issue.
I had some good leaders in grade school which engendered me to cooperate and participate. But I also had teachers with no leadership, which led to a hectic and pack-mentality classroom.
In fact, historically kids were always around people older than them, which taught them to listen to their elders and allotted elders to be leaders. Kids nowadays only need to achieve a pack mentality mindset in order to be accepted. That's the problem. That's why some traditions are important; it is comprised of successful habits of the established.
Schools really need to start working on having equal gender representation in teachers. Time's up feminists.
Or school administrators.
One of the worst Title to actual Speech TEDx talks
In your own situation, in the current public school system if you had stood up to the bullies, maybe even socked one in the nose, would you have been treated any different from the ones doing the bullying? As far as punishment goes? No. Because there is little to no tolerance for male behavior in school. Yes our fathers should be teaching us to not be bullies in the first place. But we are in the situation where new fathers were they themselves subjected to a society that had little to no tolerance for masculinity. For male behavior.
Real man = Good man
There is no conflict.
You are blind
@Bradley Caine If you have to ask, you better start searching for the answer. I ain't giving it to you and neither is any other real man unless you go seeking it.
Somewhat interesting but pretty low on my TED recommendations. Especially weird transition in the end in suddenly concluding with a spiel about loving and valuing women... which was an illogical connection/segue from what he was pointing out in earlier comments. Almost as if he added it at the last minute in order to cater to an section of the audience that would respond to a shout out when it came time to applaud. Think "San Dimas high school football rules!"
My school only wanted my student loan money. Glad I finally saw that.
Why can't we have a man giving this speech
Yeah I have listened to 3 of these, all the men are emasculated
Agreed
my whole argument for an essay went out the window
It’s people like you who are the reason why men will never succeed.
I'm dead😆
Some of that was insightful but it still just seems a lot like 'boy blaming' sort of 'boys are falling behind in school because boys will be boys. Hey here's how we should teach them to be good feminists so that appreciate women and that will fix the problem bla bla' Yes engendering a strong moral sense of parity of esteem on the terms of gender cultural background disability etc is very important and essential to maturing as a person but that in no way addresses the boy specific issues mentioned. It's just, kind of, shit victim-blaming. And that story he told at the end as an example of what he would share with his son of when he 'failed as a man' is totally the wrong sort of morality tale, it is expressly a 'shudda manned up' story and extremely counterproductive. 'So Dad you're saying that what you should have done in that instance was engage in a physical altercation with two people you were no match for'. Extremely conflicting narratives within this talk.
finally someone with at least a little bit of intelligence. Interesting point. But I think that depends on how you perceive and judge his statements and what yours already are. Manning up means being brave and putting your morals . into action. How and when is dependent on the individual and their situation. It has nothing to do with violence, but with inner strength.
It might have ended in a fight and a beating. But it also might have ended in him encouraging others to also step in and win an argument. Or a few different scenarios.
I think his bottom line is more the message that men are allowed to have feelings and express these. They can be manly by supporting and helping others and each other rather than bullying, eg. That is what equality is all about. Women are allowed to be tough and also be bread winners, and men are allowed to show their authentic inner self without losing their status of manly, which is being imposed on them by other men.
Started off ok then bam feminist bs..
because being anti-feminist is manly? Being discriminating and suppressing, keeping all the power is manly?
Grow up! Become less ignorant, more tolerant and a part of our new world.
With your attitude you belong in the old ages
because being feminist is womanly? Being discriminating and suppressing, keeping all the power is womanly?
Grow up! Become less ignorant, more tolerant and a part of our new world.
With your attitude you belong in the old ages
You are absolutely right. These days the smartest people are Egalitarians.
+Jenkkimie just because you switched the words doesn't make it poignant or true...
But it is true.
Read what Annathetopbananna said. That poster sounds like they're a part of a cult.
@@Jenkkimie if you are going to talk about feminism, at least talk about the patriarchy. Or be quiet and take a genders course first.
"Girls will naturally form groups of three or four and work on problems."
Me, a girl with Autism who is not good with social skills and got bullied by mostly girls in middle school: AM I A JOKE TO YOU?!
I mean he's talking about tendencies, but i really don't like the guy
Strange warren Farrell thinks boys affected by lack of male teachers? Like Tipping point V Freakonomics. They both quote similar cases but gives different reasoning.
7 yrs ago and the problem is still prominent
Reported for “spam or MISLEADING”
You bring a point that I cannot believe anyone doesnt think to themselves: "Hold up. What?" He says boys do not like it, when there is no wrong or right hard answer and I personally, as a male have to agree with that. He says boys say we dont like it cause we have to talk about how we feel. Well that might be true but heres something way worse why I didn't like languages in school. You are being judged on right or wrong, without there being a right or wrong. You are being judged about how you feel without a right or wrong. How could you judge that? How could you not see that that's not something to be judged? Or graded how they call it
I think the ending is interesting because it has been shown that mothers are the ones who enforce the no emotions masculinity and show a distain for boys showing sadness that fathers aren’t shown to have
And who taught them what it means to be a man just like who taught woman they should be submissive media
theres literally no study that shows that women are the main encouragers of this behavour, i suggest researching before commenting
@@angytingz Thomassin, K., & Seddon, J. A. (2019). Implicit attitudes about gender and emotion are associated with mothers’ but not fathers’ emotion socialization. Canadian Journal of Behavioural Science, 51(4), 254-260
@@sneed2856 it's based on self-report. It wouldn't be hard to tear that conclusion apart.
@@pdub707 lmao no it isn’t - actually read the study. the authors tested **implicit** attitudes of the participants via an implicit association test and compared **that data** with self-reported (via questionnaire) attitudes towards emotional expression and socialization. the IAT data alone shows that mothers have a significant favourable bias towards girls’ expressions of sadness and anger while fathers have no significant bias either way.
I watched this video multiple times and every time have noticed something off with what this guy says. The comments help me realize what was off👍
4:06 ok, so I'm definitely a girl. Guess I better start hormone treatment and start planning gender reassignment
The guy actually said snowflakes!
When they try to solve the problems they created...
And everyone knows they will just double down again!
Sounds like someone is cheering at 1:15 😅
If this guy is married, he probably gets off on getting pegged.
I came here( coz of title of video) to get help with my own masculine problems i am currently facing, hoping for words of wisdom about being a man but rather I am being lectured about WOMENS PROBLEMS!! Now don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with solving womens problems but if thats what you here to talk abt, than have the title tell us that this is what we going to talk about. Gosh!!!🤦🏿♂️
Wow, a video called "tackling the boy crisis" which dismisses the problem, talks about a bunch of unrelated women's issues, and then concludes that the problem is men. I have no idea how anyone can think they're tackling men's issues while being this fucking gynocentric. I think the real problem, that's even more fundamental than the issue of boys in education, is our cultural inability to see men and boys as subjects who need other's help. He spends a lot of time talking about how we condition boys to think of themselves as agents for the benefit of others, and then uses that to support his denial of boy's need for assistance, rather than recognising this as part of the problem, which I find to be incredibly misandrist and regressive.
Well said!
There's an old-fashioned word which used to be synonymous with masculinity, and which young men need help to relearn; Chivalry.
Blaming "toxic masculinity" without using the word. A waste of time watching this.
seems to be stereotyping men too much
I don't see academics as non masculine. I dropped out of graduate school because it was obvious males are second class on campus. So many scholarships and job ads only for women.
this likes ratio is very 50/50
like on a dangerous level
any one agree
7:15 seriously?? 😂😂😂
The fact that every stat he mentions that is beneficial to girls and every negative characteristic he attributes to boys results in the women in the audience applauding and laughing, respectively, tells you something.
I attended a course of his many years ago with a male friend of mine and the one commonality among all the males in the class at the end of the course was that we were all made to feel worse and swore off any future gender studies courses.
(& much like his course from years ago, here in this lecture he again manages to make jokes that bash men. Not at all surprised based on prior experience.)
Feminists pays this man
This guy is more concerned with mocking attempts to analyze and figure out what we can do to help boys all in the name of feminism.....he has lost his right to speak for men in my mind.
"he has lost his -right to speak for men in my- mind." Fixed that for ya.
You realize the onion is fake news/joke right? Why use that as an example?
He's a quack.
Emotional Maturity... "hahahaha!"... Completing Suicide.... "oh yeah maybe the health of men isn't a joke?"
It was certainly true in my last school (I'm a male teacher, moving to a girls' school), for boys' to be stupid was cool. The solution the speaker gave was one side of a larger problem, people in general are loosing their morality and parents are not taking care of their children. They're not even around for their children and they don't have a moral stance to teach their kids. All that sounds pretty negative but I do have hope for humanity.
nice comment. Yes, females' and males' brains are wired differently and therefore function differently. Although I think you are right that maybe a same-sex teacher may help, don't you think if you are only taught by your same sex you would be missing out somehow?
Different perspectives and understandings are important...
I would love to hear your imput on this.
That comment is so full of ... I wouldn't even know where to start... maybe become more human?
Try to learn more about how we are built and how we function, what our neurochemistry is like...
***** what you said is so true. It's even true with my kids. I do all the fun stuff with my kids and my wife is more serious with them. Men's brains are more comfortable with risk so can handle flexibility and fun better.
14:40 Knowledgeable information with a pich of humour. Brilliant, loved every second of it
Gee something else feminists blame on men.
Actually the worst Ted talk i have seen so far
look at the beak on this one, lmao.
Sir you are right. I have cited you in my research
Amen.
At the end, the parasite attacked the host.
Or maybe men already are as much as they can and Michel Kimmel just is a different kind of personality than some other man is. Self adoration aside, that would be an interesting question to ask him.
bunch o' nuthin
Looks to me like the things you measure are the problem not the boys
Don't misjudge men please
nikola tesla was right. just saying
This TED Talk is about women not men.
Fail
He is stereotyping men to uplift women. Males teachers are needed especially in urban schools
I simply dont understand why and how this talk is titled as talking about the boy crisis. The talk is nothing but mocking young boys and their behavior which is again a stereotyped and cherrypicked from few examples. Absolutely derogatory talk towards boys and misandric.
That's Western feminism for ya
FemiProp!!!
So he basically solved the boy crisis
I disagree with this guy.
Wow. If you're gonna give a talk, rehearse a bit. Also, he completely misses the mark on this subject. Kimmel has simply collected the data that supports his emotionally derived OPINION, and is more certain of himself as a result.
shame on you Ted
Bs
Men don't have periods hello...
This was a very good talk and very helpful in providing insight into helping raise my grandson.
would be more convincing without a lisp.
No wonder they're falling behind with people with his attitude towards boys.
We are having families way too late. Nothing turns a boy into a man like haveing a kid.
or having a dad
I had neither and I'm surviving
@@pontiacGXPfan I think that's great, but look at the stats on virtually every metric, and you'll find you're the exception to the rule. Good luck to you.
An low-testosterone homosexual's opinion on manhood and masculinity is about as qualified and relevant as a squirrel's opinion on a truck that will run him over if he steps in front of it.
Academic disengagement is a sign of masculinity. Very true.
feminist propaganda
who give a ....k? there are more burning issues!!!
The dull potato splenomegaly terrify because whip chemically open unto a sedate joseph. faithful, knotty sweatshirt
This guy is a joke!!
Great speech keep up the work man
lol I was expecting a nuanced argument from a man that actually understands testosterone... and what I got was this squid
? Don't come do a speech about boys w/ that belly.
i best there is certainly not a ton of fragile male egos crumbling to baseline misogyny and homophobia. certainly not. shant check though.
OK let's help but they still get the better jobs. The tech jobs the construction jobs
Im truly serious when i say that i wish every incel or mysoginst ive come across in only 23 yrs of my short life , had been shown videos like thse.
You're only 23 which means you've got a lot to learn about men and the world in general.
@@MrBen51309 i dont want to "learn" about men. Men have a lot yo learn about themselves and how they treat women. Take ur mansplaining elsewhere
@@angytingz Maybe you should just smile more.
I think this was a good talk, so I dont get why all the dislikes. After reading a few comments I realise what type of guys were watching, but the question that comes to mind is why are those guys watching?
I cannot speak for anyone else but I watch these type of Ted Talks to get more insight of other peoples wisdom, but obviously that isn't what I see the main desire is by overlooking this audience.
Anyone who thinks this is a good talk has already lost.
The biggest issue is that he ignores empirical data in favour of anecdotal experiences and his opinions
This trans guy’s voice is driving me nuts.