Is $60 Billion Enough to Save Ukraine?
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- Опубликовано: 23 апр 2024
- Lawmakers approved a giant new tranche of support for Ukraine late last night after a tortured passage through the U.S. Congress, where it was nearly derailed by right-wing resistance in the House.
Marc Santora, a Times reporter in Ukraine’s capital, Kyiv, explains what effect the money could have, given Ukraine’s increasing desperation on the battlefield.
Guest: Marc Santora (www.nytimes.com/by/marc-santora) , who covers Ukraine for The New York Times.
Background reading:
• The aid package drew overwhelming bipartisan support (www.nytimes.com/2024/04/20/us...) , reflecting broad consensus.
• The vote to resume U.S. military support was met with relief in Ukraine (www.nytimes.com/2024/04/21/wo...) .
For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily (nytimes.com/thedaily?smid=pc-t...) . Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday.
Johnson dragging his feet for 6 months has obviously had catastrophic consequences. Of course $60 billion is not enough if it is all the US gives Ukraine in military aid and continues to delay or deny further aid. US military aid needs to be consistent and sustained, and needs to be informed by what the Ukrainians are communicating as their needs on the battlefield right now.
The US is far too slow to move, while Russia is transforming its entire economy to fight Ukraine and its allies are supplying it with drones and raw materials for weapons.
It is 'catastrophic' if America's fascist allies lose? No doubt you were also very upset when America's ally Al Qaeda lost in Syria.
@@dimitrioskantakouzinos8590 Your comment says less about the reality of the situation (or my perspective) and more about the necessity for you to log off and touch grass.
@@shevek161 That you're not aware of basic facts, and instead use insults, says it all. Your own Jake Sullivan admitted that the US is de facto allies with Al Qaeda in Syria.
But your 'war on terror' doesn't include that, nor Biden's terrorism against the Nord Stream. It only includes killing millions in Iraq.
Seems like the aid is less about helping Ukraine to 'win' and instead is maybe an affordable means of draining Russia's ability to do anything after Ukraine.
An Ukraine win is just getting Russia to exhaust itself and have to leave the eastern and southern oblasts taken in '22. That is feasible.
@@denniskrust2137 That's just wishful thinking, with all respect. You gravely underestimate Russian prowess. Russia has constructed the most elaborate defense lines in warfare history: Dozens of miles of anti-tank and anti-personnel mined fields, tank traps, trenches, bunkers, and tree lines. Trenches and tunnel-connected bunkers are camouflaged, surrounded by reinforced wood and insulated from the cold weather. This isn't to mention other defense mechanisms, such as tanks, snipers, lookout soldiers, trucks, and anti-tank missiles.This is why the 2023 Ukrainian counteroffensive failed spectacularly. Russia now has a booming mobilized war economy, and unlike Western opinion on war casualties, Russian opinion is generally unconcerned. For Vladimir Putin, to win is to rightfully bet that Western support for Ukraine will zero out at some point, and that it's only a matter of when, not if.
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Wrong to say that only the US can provide an advanced air-defense system, what has been and will be delivered of Patriot systems has primarily been from varying NATO countries not the US, it's manufactered by the US, but it's not primarily provided by the US for Ukraine, and it's also not the only available such system on the market, you've got Israel's David's Sling etc
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Can’t they do some creative accounting by under-pricing so they can stretch these dollars out?
What's? America overpays for everything even for itself. America pays the most for healthcare, military equipment, and depending on exactly where you're standing for housing. It doesn't matter what you're talking about. America never underpays or uses the state to negotiate much down
@@rickm6076 I suggest in this case we do what we want and ask for forgiveness later.
You are naive about USA actually works.
@@steve-realyou are as delusional as Zelensky.
@@rettro6578 Let’s see how the Kersch bridge holds up against Atacms. I think a wave of 50 then another 4 follow up waves will put the bridge out for a few years.
What do you think?🤔
Not enough to win, but just enough to not lose; and yet the perfect amount of money so the real winners of this war keeps winning. Congratulations to the men atop the military industrial complex.
Does Mark believe that the weapons they need are sitting waiting on shelves in Walmart? And who will wield these new weapons? Many of their men have fled or are dead.
That's why they're lowering the draft age from 27 to 25. The meat grinder is coming for the youth.
Armies need soldiers than weapons and ammo. Hopefully the u.s. can pay a bunch of salary for an army that can secure Ukraine
He said that the $60 bil will at least be good for six months. Uh, if that's true then it really is the last. If we havin this same fight over another 60, 80, 100? billion in under 1 year then forget it.
Ukraine is losing and is deteriorating fast. This has been known for months despite Western mainstream media corporate“news” malpractice.
In short, the $60 billion is barely enough to keep Ukraine floating, and nowhere near enough to turn the tide of the war. As Santora said: "Some of it will move in quickly, but it's much harder to calculate when it'll start to have a dynamic impact on the battlefield." I think Ukraine made a massive mistake when they ignored America's request to hold and build, rather spending precious ammo, munitions, and lives on failing and largely symbolic qualitative attacks. The reality is becoming clearer than ever: Ukraine will most certainly not regain all of its lost territory. It's not mid 2022 anymore, when Ukrainians succeeded in reclaiming half of occupied land. The question now is what Ukraine must do with what they have. I believe the best way forward is to heavily entrench the defense lines, weaken Russian morale with regards to further advancements, and hopefully come to the negotiation table eventually with more leverage. However, I highly doubt Zelensky will agree to a proposal like this.
FAB bombs will not allow Ukraine to entrench. Their defensive lines are weak and unmade in time.
One important thing the discussion has missed. Now that Ukraine knows arms are coming with details on what type, what number and when, they can throw all their reserve arms to stop the Russians. So the result could be immediate. I am not sure why everyone is missing this point. Looks like everyone is talking from the same same book
Yeah I can’t believe that was left out especially considering it’s already happening
This analysis has the depth of a high school book report trying to hit the word count.
It’s Sabrina’s voice that elevates it
@@gefiltefist2088 I love her voice. I could listen to her narrating anything, even the snores of sleep-deprived elephants.
I think Ukraine can turn this around now that Speaker Johnson’s position has been guaranteed.
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Thanks RUclips for randomly deleting some of my comments really shows how confident you are in Ukraine winning. Keep it up. People really do deserve to be propagandized and not see opposing views.
You tube doesn't do that (I think). It's in the gift of the channel owners to hide comments if they so chose to. I have upset many a YT content creator, with some pithy comment or other. Tis mainly the MAGA that take offence and release their inner snowflake.
Oh wait you're MAGA aren't you... How is your inner snowflake doing ha ha ha
@@georgewaters6424You are ASSuming a lot and know very little. Typical American. Exhibit A brainwashed by one side of the endless war duopoly.
This isn’t what “begging the question” means but I have to ask why any of the governments local obligations are dependent on money getting sent abroad? Every time I hear the word “Ukraine” I care about it less…
The quick answer, of course not. Its a patch. Democracies have always dealt with threats slowly.
A democracy is a country where the sitting president is trying to imprison his political opponent.
@@dimitrioskantakouzinos8590 Besides being inaccurate, your statement is also disinformation.
How about instead of spending 60 billion dollars on a war where it's obvious that the United States will lose, how about spending it on problems that the United States SHOULD be addressing? Such as, the homelessness problem, or helping small businesses that suffered because of COVID.
Regime apparatchiks like Mike Johnson don't care about either homelessness or small businesses.
Why does this issue only come up when we're talking about the US supplying aid to Ukraine?
It's never mentioned when the deficit is ballooned after huge tax cuts for the wealthy. It's also funny how you people never place this moral burden on Russia or China or Iran, each of which are transforming their economies to place them on a war-footing with their neighbours.
Also, the money spent on military aid to Ukraine is just a tiny fraction of the US's current defense budget.
It would help you to understand how fiscal spending and budget allocations work. The US can walk and chew gum, like every other country in existence. Supplying much-needed military aid to an ally being invaded by an imperialist power does not mean other issues cannot or are never addressed.
That's never going to happen because when those issues do get brought up it's considered "socialism" or "communism"
@@shevek161 Imagine calling Russia imperialist when you're bombing and occupying numerous countries, and stage coups in many others.
"Why does this issue only come up when we're talking about the US supplying aid to Ukraine?"
Ok, let's look at other issues.
"It's never mentioned when the deficit is ballooned after huge tax cuts for the wealthy. "
So if the wealthy aren't paying taxes, then who IS paying taxes? Obviously the government must be getting its money from somewhere.
By the way, the wealthy have the resources and wherewithal to LEAVE the US, should taxes get too high.
"It's also funny how you people never place this moral burden on Russia or China or Iran,"
I happen to live in China. Compared to the US, China is WAY BETTER at getting shit done. Like for example, education, or taking care of the homeless. When they want a new road built, it takes them a few weeks to tear out the old road and build a new one. In the US, that can take decades because of all the regulations involved.
"The US can walk and chew gum, like every other country in existence. "
No, they can't.
"Supplying much-needed military aid to an ally being invaded by an imperialist power does not mean other issues cannot or are never addressed."
If that's the case, then why are those other issues never addressed? Why is China better than the US at addressing those issues?
Our country at this time should not send any aid, money, military surplus, military men to other countries Should deal with whats going on in this country the United States of America. Unconstitutional wars our resources should not pay for other countries security, and security at their borders, when ours are not. Where's any of the other countries giving to them.
I don't consent.
Peace in the middle east. Refugees want to go home in my view and opinions
You’ve clearly never heard of opportunity cost. We lose way more money in the long run if we lose Ukraine to Russia and let Russia do whatever it wants in Europe. They will use their position to strangle us out of agriculture, trade, and energy markets. They will supplant us as the major ally of countries around the world that we rely on for trade. They will potentially force us out of desperation to instead be drawn into much more costly wars that are much more expensive and violent and could force American troops to be deployed.
Imagine how much money could have been saved, how many American lives could have been saved if we had just did everything we could have to arm and support the Poles when Germany first invaded, if we could have stopped the Germans right at the start of their expansion and made it clear that they would never just walk across Europe. Even if they eventually won they would have exhausted so many resources that their calculations would have completely prevented them from ever trying to take France, at which point millions upon millions of lives would have been saved.
$60billion is less than 1% of the U.S. federal budget. Most of the funds are just the value of weapons already sitting in a warehouse that we paid to build 40 years ago and we have to pay to upkeep until we eventually will just bury them in the dirt, literally. Now we are getting them off our shelves and sending them to do what they are designed for while also paying for American companies to create jobs to refill our stocks.
This $60bil is essentially free money. If you think this affects our ability to solve other issues then you haven’t been paying any attention. The only people getting in the way of solving those problems have been Republicans. Democrats are the ones trying to feed and house the poor, make new jobs, and the ones who have been trying fix the boarder. It’s been republicans who been blocking that legislation. If you’re upset with that stuff not getting done then vote democrat in November.
They barely passed the previous giveaway to the military-industrial complex with which they buy Ukrainian lives, before they start agitating for more.
Or Russian troops could just leave Ukraine. That'll work.
@@QuietRefl4378 Or Putin could buy you a pony. It's one thing to not understand international relations at all, it's quite another to be so proud of your ignorance.
@@dimitrioskantakouzinos8590and what is it you understand?
@@dimitrioskantakouzinos8590 Yeah, I'm naive. I kinda believe in a country's sovereignty and don't put too much stock in a dictator's misunderstanding of history.
@@QuietRefl4378 Well, you sure didn't "believe" in the sovereignty of Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Syria, or Libya, or any of the other countries you've invaded. Hell, you didn't believe in Ukraine's sovereignty as you sponsored a coup against their government.
A lot of Russian bots in the comment section.
Democrats have two arguments: racism and Russia.
aka people who disagree with you
Cope
Anyone who doesn’t agree with giving ukraine everything is automatically a “Russian bot”. Looks like there are a lot of ukranian bots begging for money because it’s never enough. They need to “go LA and drive Mercedes”
No.. it will never be enough. We need to give them 10 trillion a day.
agreed.
What about palestine