The Omega Speedmaster with Co-Axial 3861 | One Year Later
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
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Blake Malin, Christa Chance, and Blake Buettner chat about their ownership experience with the Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch Professional reference 310.30.42.50.01.001 with hesalite crystal and new co-axial equipped 3861 hand wound chronograph movement. Did you pick up a new Speedmaster? Own and older reference? Let us know your thoughts in the comments below, or in the full article, now live on Worn & Wound.
Can you guys please get this girl to do all your voiceovers? she has a very pleasant and clean voice
Hesalite 1861 owner here. I love it and will never sell it. As mentioned in the video, the Speedmaster works on so many different types of straps. Truly a beautiful and versatile champion.
If you like the new bracelet I bought an Uncle Seiko version and it is awesome, for a fraction of the price of an Omega one
Yea id rather have my speedy than a seiko
Treated myself to this exact version of the new Speedy for my 50th birthday in 2021, and I'm still in love with it a year later. Considering selling lots of watches from my collection because they just don't get wrist time anymore with this beauty hardly ever getting put in the box.
I've owned the hesalite 2020 for over a month now, and I'm in love. Something about manually winding a watch every morning that just gets me. A space enthusiast myself, I was blessed that the wife got it for me - I wouldn't have wanted anything other than the hesalite version. When I do feel about missing out on seeing the movement in action, I watch a servicing video of someone breaking down a 321 or 861 movement in detail, and just appreciate what's on my wrist a little more, knowing how much complexity is packed within the 14mm of space of my watch case. Do wish that the lume markers degraded a little overtime so that they could patina a little, but I digress. The absence of an applied logo is a little bit of a bummer, but the chronograph second hand does well in keeping that area of the watch naturally obscure, so there's not much fuss there. The hesalite has scratched a little, and knowing that there's a premium price for this watch, it does feel weird. But hey, I'm going for authenticity here, and it just makes it mine in the long run - those are my scratches, my history i'm telling. Overall, I love this watch, and I look forward to getting a JB Forstner Komfit to really bring in the authenticity factor. You should definitely look into getting one for your collection. LunarReplicas.com also carries them, and the same spec'd out velcro strap from the Apollo era.
Fellow Hesalite owner here, I highly recommend either PolyWatch or Meguiar’s Plast-X paired with a microfiber cloth to remove the scratches in your Hesalite. Works like a charm and always buffs up the Hesalite to look new 👍🏽
You can easily get rid of those scratches though !
Polywatch is so easy to use with perfect results. You can also purchase original Omega display back from Swiss Limited Editions ,including the extra parts needed. A bit expensive , but you then have the best of both ..hesalite and clear caseback..all original Omega parts.
Also, if you miss having a date on your Speedy, I use my sweep hand as date....just change each morning when I wind it. Enjoy.
Bought my sapphire 3861 two years ago and it's the only watch I wear...PERIOD! It is the perfect watch; nothing is wasted, not is superfluous. Form follows function
Great to have the long term feedback on this watch as I'm also considering one at this point!
The new bracelet is amazing. I have an older Speedmaster (Hesalite of course 😄) and the bracelet always bothered me a bit. So I switched it out for the new one and it feels like a completely different watch. So comfortable now and it looks gorgeous. It’s definitely staying long term.
I bought a speedmaster to celebrate my son’s birth. I wore it when he as born. I’ve used it to time his reading, his runs, etc.
Really enjoy seeing Blake on these videos!
Speedy is probably my favorite watch but the current pricing situation is getting rather annoying. Just 2 years ago you could easily get a brand new one for 4k. After the latedt price increase it will cost you 6k plus a ridiculous maintenance cost of 850 for servicing. This is not what the speedy used to represent in the watch market.
How come I’ve never seen uou before , I’ve beenwatching RUclips watch channels intensively for more than 5 years , just saw this video ,
Great content, keep it up 👍🏻 👊🏻
Greetings from Albania 🇦🇱
I bought the 3861 bracelet for my 1861 Hesalite. I'm so glad it fits and it solves all my issues with the previous bracelet (huge clasp, male end links, less taper). Now it fits like a dream having a small wrist and not a fan of the reduced proportionally.
Co-Axial is definitely a big horological innovation of the 20th century. I would add that Grand Seiko’s Spring Drive is also up there. PS, I’m a Speedy 3861 owner so not talking down Omega or co-axial.
If you have the luck to own a watch with Co-Axial movement and one with Spring Drive, I would say you have the most accurate and innovative watches from the last decades.
Spring drive was the first thing to come to my mind when they mentioned innovation. Glad you mentioned it!
@@pandapandas8736 Proud owner of the GS Snowflake and 3861 Sapphire. Love new innovations that push horology forward.
After actually witnessing Neil Armstrong step onto the surface of the moon on TV in July 1969, I've been a lifelong devotee of the Speedmaster Professional. I've only just recently bought my own, and it is the new 3861 with Heselite and solid case back. I did not consider the sapphire sandwich version a "real" moon watch, but more an homage. To me, Heselite was specifically chosen for the job back then and the way it plays with light distortions and shows its age and personality over time is way more valuable to me than durability for durability's sake. I'm so proud of my new purchase and plan to take it to the grave.
Went for the sapphire sandwich 3861, I must say it’s a beautiful movement and never regretted for not opting for the purist’s preference. It gets more wrist time than my submariner
Much more practical. Sapphire pops more also and looks more expensive
AMAZING bracelet... and perfect weight balance across the watch. Easy wearing and comfortable.
I sold my 1861 a few years ago. Bought the 3618 as soon as I could. Excellent movement. And no doubt hesalite.
Really cool format guys 👌🏻
Interesting question at the end about going with the hesalite crystal or not. Personally, I care more about seeing the movement than going with a hesalite crystal, so I’d absolutely go with the sapphire sandwich. I agree Omega should’ve offered an option for a sapphire back on the hesalite.
I definitely would have got a display caseback if the crystal was hesalite AND it came with the regular bracelet. I'm not a fan of the polished links in the SS bracelet.
they do make really well made aftermarket sapphire backs for about $100, i think the charm of the hesalite with the aftermarket caseback would be the prefect watch.
With it being on your wrist how often are you going to be looking at the rear sapphire back? I imagine the more time you take it off your wrist to look at it the more chances you have of dropping it and putting a scratch in the sapphire, only it won’t be as easy to Polish out like the hesalite
@@matts6551sapphire is extremely hard to scratch that ain't going to happen
I’m still none the wiser for sapphire or hesalite! The purist in me wants close to the original but I know I will bash and scratch it. Whichever one I get I’ll want the other one. I’ve had this debate for 35 years. The new sapphire looks amazing though
Bought the hestalite speedy recently and bought a pack of scratch resistant watch glass protectors from Amazon for very little. They hardly show when on but give peace of mind that I can't damage my lovely speedy.
I just got my SS on bracelet on 10.7.23 and I am very pleased with it. I have wanted a "Moonwatch" since the 70's and it looks like my timing is excellent. The 3861 with all its technical / mechanical advancements is amazing. The new 5 link melt on your wrist bracelet with the recently introduced on the fly micro length adjustment. The new stepped dial, lume, domed hands, dot over 90, etc... is close to perfection. I chose the SS because of the durability and the open case back. I love to look at the movement. I am very pleased. It set me back USD 8,000 and is a tremendous value. Oh, yeah did I say it is beautiful. A classy, humble beautiful.
I am on the hunt for one of these magnificent pieces...Making it the fourth Moon Watch in my collection.. OCD?...Yes...Omega Collecter Disorder
The problem with this watch is you cant buy it with a hesalite crystal with a sapphire back with an applied logo dial. To me this would be the perfect version.
You could always buy the sapphire sandwich and have them put a hesalite crystal.. would be expensive but it’s an option.
Never selling mine- got it a week ago (sapphire sandwich) .....awesome piece!!!!
Great video for someone about to make this purchase!
Definitely a watch I want to own in my lifetime.
Great Video.
I tryed both versions on For me as to be Hesalite version going to add it with my Rolex Submariner the hesalite looks more classy and has a vintage feel 👌
My Hesalyte came from my wife on our 40th and as a child of the space age it can only be passed to a descendant. I have a significant collection but this watch stands alone. In a thousand years our descendants will be able to walk into a museum, such as Science & Industry in Chicago, hold up their wrists, and compare theirs with Jim Lovell’s scratched Hesalyte.
I bought mine (Hesalite) a year ago on Jan 28th (I see this was posted on the 28th) - cool. Fun fact, it was a full moon that night.
A few years ago I also had the chance to try on a 16570 with a tritium dial... was going for a very reasonable price at the time and the seller would negotiate even further. I passed that up because it was a little too scratched up (but 1 owner never polished) and I was (at the time) seeking a white dial, this was the black. I'm surely am kicking myself for passing it up. Big time. I will never part with this Speedmaster though.
I'm usually a bracelet guy but that nylon strap looks great on it. If I do end up buying a speedy I'd definitely be grabbing one of those as well
You guys and girls at worn & wound are so genuine and humble. Hodinkie are really annoying these days with all their paid reviews and fake followers. Keep up the great work!
Thank you!
Awesome content. Thanks
just picked up my brand new 3861 Hesalite at my AD today.....Exited!!!
Wonderful video! Have you guys had trouble with chronograph hand alignment on this watch?
3861 Hesalite for me. A true keeper. I have had a Broad Arrow 3313 and 1861 manual wind in the past. By far, this is the best one for me
I was fortunate to pick up a like-new pre-owned sapphire sandwich for not much more than the hesalite. I’ve always been a purist but…if I’m honest I prefer the ease and clarity of sapphire. I’d like a solid caseback but I find the text on the current models is too extreme, so the open caseback is a bit more subtle with the marketing. Lastly, the sapphire is thinner (slightly). I love the watch, and I could easily see myself paring the collection down to a speedy and an SKX.
Christa is great! Very thoughtful and considered opinions! I'd love to hear more from her
I absolutely love the 3861! If I wanted more than one speedy i would have grabbed an 1861 as new old stock or the 861 used from the boutique store owner. Though i dont want more than one so it was the hesalite 3861. When im wearing my work boots i use a brown strap. But I'll be honest. Its not my go to watch since im always working and its just looks out of place. An Explorer or op might be a better option for my lifestyle. Of course I'm keeping it
Love the new one!
Awesome video, thanks for sharing. What would be your opinion on the Ed White 321? Many said it’s overpriced.
I am torn between the chronoscope blue dial and the speedmaster 3861 sapphire. i wanna buy 1 for my 30th bday. I love blue dials and have always bought blue dial watches. But the speedmaster even though it is black, really draws me in. And it comes with a great backstory too. But the blue chronoscope is just too beautiful and looks unique as hell. Uggh
I would love to see Omega do to the PO bracelet that they did to this one! Plus I want to see the PO go back closer to the 2500 design. I feel like the 2500 is more timeless like the Speedy
I have last model of Speedmaster with hesalite glass and steel strap. this watch is very nice. one piece a to have in personal collection.
Wife purchased this for me for my 40th birthday with the sapphire sandwich. Haven’t taken it off yet. See this in my collection until it’s time to pass it down.
Awesome Talk! I‘m on the fence for getting an Omega (Speedy or AQ) or Rolex (Datejust) for months and you friendly people represent the Omega-Owners very well. Now having a 10 week old Son I have something more important to invest my money on instead so I got a MoonSwatch today 😊.
I have the previous reference, a 2020 with Hesalite. I don’t quite understand all the hate for that bracelet. I personally prefer it to the new bracelet. I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Especially given my Speedy was my first luxury watch purchase, it will be in my collection until the day I die.
Coaxial movement the greatest hydrological innovation of the 20th century? Hello, Springdrive! What about the quartz movement itself? Anyway, mission accomplished. I swallowed that bait, hook, line and sinker.
I had a hesallite previous version speedy bought new early 2021 just as the new one came out but wasn't widely available. I should have waited for the coaxial version. I sold the old one and am now looking at one of these. I can't deal with glass case backs, they stick to my wrist like a limpet. I'm not a fan of NATO straps either but that does look cool on the brown NATO. I think the Speedmaster looks great on a tropic strap also.
How are the scratches on the hesalite? If you use poly wash can you take vanish the Omega logo that's in the middle of the hesalite?
The logo is embossed on the underside of the crystal so you won't affect it if you're polishing scratches
8:00 the 3861 speedy is a remake of the 1985 version, so the hesalite version is more faithful as it doesn't have the applied logo and polished centrelinks
I would pick up the sapphire crystal version. Just because I already owned a few vintage speedies so going full modern on this one.
I've had the Saphire Sandwich for two months. My reasoning for this model was that since I was buying it new, I would get the latest iteration. The bracelet is beautiful and wears well although my 7.25" wrist tends to grow and shrink with the temp/humidity so does not always fit correctly. The micro adjustment is not enough to compensate for it.
Anyone know where i could get the strap on the right at 6:10?
I like omega moon watch on RUclips
I bought both. I first got the sapphire sandwich and as I began to enjoy the watch more and more, I wanted the true version that is approved for space. So then went and got the hesalite.
Speedymoon owner her. well first great choice on the brown leather strap. If Omega had released a Hesalite/sapphire back combo version i would have bought it
This was a good idea for a follow up on this watch. I enjoyed their thoughts. I have a weird question. What jacket is Black B wearing? I really like that look with the pop of color on the inside lapel.
It's from TOPO Designs! 👍
@@wornandwound Thank you so much! I will check them out.
Can you please post the nato and the leather straps that were featured
I’m glad you all got one and that you like it. I wore my 1861 Hesalite Moonwatch today. It is an absolute dream watch!
And might I add, as it seems I’m the only person. On earth. Who feels this way. The old Speedmaster bracelet is awesome. It’s comfy, sturdy, and I prefer the old clasp to the new one by a mile.
The traditional crystal is the way to go
Never understand the difference between hesalite and sapphire, any one explain please
Ultimately Omega have created a Speedmaster which pays tribute to its origins but is so technologically advanced it can go up against the Rolex Daytona with ease.
One small minus point is that it is not resistant to water 💧, the middle button and pusher should be screws instead (at least the middle button )💯
I like this colour of the NATO strap, 🙏🏻 pls how can I get it ??
Decided to get the 1861... many good reason to have that watch instead
When it comes to chronographs, if you are really into chronograph movements, the greatest innovation is of course the Seiko QUARTZ 7-t-92 movement. No other movement be it a mechanical, meca-aquartz, or just pure quartz comes even closer to its level of sophistication and capabilities in every category. It has a 12 hours/60 totalizer which gives it a 12 chronograph capability. It has a built in flyback as it the minutes hand of the chronograph can catch up after stopping to register the split time. Al it takes is to push the A pusher and then just push and re-push the B button all the way through the duration of the event. Such chronograph can cost up to US$150 and you get a 100 meter water resistance gratis. World War II fast low flying fighter pilots could have only dreamed about having such a chronograph for their dead-reckoning low flying sorties in the European theater of war. The Speedmaster is just a basic racing watch that was chosen by NASA because it had met their standards of a government tender, no more no less. However, one cannot argue with feelings and blind loyalty to a brand. After all, a chronograph is and remains just a tool watch.
The bracelet held him back? The bracelet has joined very little of late. What are they talking about?
3:20 why would one care if it has the co-axial? the 1861/861 already is a departure from the 321... so any further improvement is welcome. The biggest improvement to the movement IMO is that it is now hackable. This is huge.
The Speedmaster dial is not an original Omega design. That distinction goes to the Rodania Geometer which came out in 1954 three years earlier.
Great video guys! I have had so many watches go through my collection, but will always have the speedmaster. I regrettably sold my first speedy, which is very cool, and I wish I could have it back. It was a chocolate dial sapphire sandwich. I've tried to track it down, but the guy I sold it to sold it off to someone else, and there it goes... Anyways, I now have a 1861 speedy pro that I bought brand new a few years later, and I absolutely love it. As beautiful as the sapphire is, I really don't mind the hesalite getting scratched up a bit. It feels more vintage and pure this way, and I love how it looks. I actually do like the big chunky bracelet that it came with, but I just can't get it to fit right, so I have a few after market bracelets that I wear it on, and they all make me smile. I am considering getting one of the new OEM bracelets from the boutique, but we shall see.
Getting a Haselite version on naylon strap from my wife for my birthday. I however don't like the metal bracelet (just my personal taste that it looks better on a strap). Watches I own I never sell.. to many memories. Call me sentiment 😅
I'm not a big Omega fan. I know thats blasphemous around the wrist watch community. Equally surprising to some, the Speedmaster Moonwatch is my favorite watch. It really does deserve the hype and looks good on pretty much anything, leather nato bracelet, its the most versatile watch I own.
hesalite definitely a bit more clarity, but i dont baby my watches and would hate if i got a gnarly gash in the acrylic...
I have a speedmaster…my only gripe is that i dont think ill be able to wind it when im 70-75 yrs old… its very difficult to wind. Anyone else have that problem?
You can get an aftermarket display backcase!!!
Right, the right one! Except the previous model is $4300 and the new one is $6300. So Just bought the new bracelet and the boutique slapped it on my old watch for me. The visual differences in the two aren’t even noticeable to the unrecognizing eye. Will raise questions
No one choosed the Saphire version :)
I think exactly the bracelet is what I think is wrong. Personally.
Speedmaster is very nice, but there are far too many models. Should simplify the lineup. Personally (and that is just me) would much prefer the steel bracelet over leather strap or NATO strap. The bracelet would typically last the life of the the watch itself while a leather or fabric strap would need to be replaced periodically. Also those straps cheapens the look of the watch. As far as comfort is concerned, for the steel bracelet, over time with natural stretch, it would get more and more comfortable on the wrist, just like a pair of old-style denims.
A little hack: Buy an aftermarket bracelet for the old ref and enjoy it as if it were the new and much more expensive Speedy. Forstner and Uncle Straps both do one. I know there are other differences, but the wearability and basic aestethics will be covered.
I have done it and I don’t want the new one more.
Great tip!
I prefer the slightly longer lugs on the prior gen
I like Ziggys
it is a manual winding watch and has only 50 hours? it should have been at least 70 hours for a reasonable winding frequency. I know people selling their watches for the short power reserve..
Got the former model just before this one was realised and prefer it. The new bracelet looks great, but it tapers to much an looks silly on a big guy like I am.
I still haven’t had the chance to try one on yet, with an 8in wrist my concern is the speedmaster looking too small.
I couldn’t justify spending ca. 6500 EUR for a watch with plastic glass which will scratch up…no thanks, that’s why I went 3861 Sapphire Sandwich. The cost of the watch unfortunately has moved it out of tool watch territory
Speedmaster king! Daytona shit house
Love my sapphire sandwich. So tasty.
Coaxial is a fantastic innovation and kudos to dr Daniels, BUT a moonwatch should be in the family of movements 321->861->1861 . Coaxial is not a direct evolution. They should have called it something else... I have an 1861 and will never buy the new one.
Also...is the 3861 space qualified...?
Planning for your upcoming trip?
Own an 861 or 1861/3 for the excellent Lemania movement. Add a 3861/3 to your collection for co-ax. Win.
To be accurate, the 1861 has never been qualified by NASA. Omega uses the same testing framework, but a Speedy hasn’t been tortured by NASA since the 70s and the 861 movement. So, if we’re pedigree nitpicking, you have to buy pre-1997 if you want that true authenticity sauce.
"Hesalite Cystal"....Isnt Hesalite plastic???
“Crystal” is just the general, colloquial term for it. And, yep. Plexiglass. :)
I hate the telemetric scale, I dislike the “drop shape” second hand, I hate the granular of the dial, I hate the black color of the dial in comparison to the previous versions. Omega ceased to be my “grail brand”. Also I hate these 500€ price increase every 6 months. I swapped back to Rolex. And I’m there for good. No more omega for me and their (swatch group) crap politics. Bye
Wow! So much hate for something nobody's forcing you to buy 🤣
Yikes. But back to a brand that’s artificially creating shortages? Woof.
I'm REALLY really torn... I don't yet have a luxury watch. As of right now I have a black/black Submariner due in around Dec 2023 this year. But I work in the space program so the Moonwatch (sapphire sandwich) is VERY appealing. But I do want something to wear all the time... hot tub, shower, pool, whatever... so perhaps I should change to a Polar Explorer II plus the Moonwatch (like mentioned in this video)...
Ideally I'd have the Moonwatch and a panda Daytona but the AD pretty much laughed at me yesterday hahahah.
Tough call!