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The Omega Speedmaster 3861: A Pretender Or Legitimate Heir To The Throne? | A Week On The Wrist
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
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In this episode of A Week On The Wrist, Jack straps on another Speedmaster, this time the new Omega Speedmaster Professional 'Master Chronometer' equipped with the caliber 3861. How does it compare to previous Speedmasters and what does this iteration mean for the future of the Moonwatch?
"But the gap between press-release photo and actual, in-the-metal first impressions can be a big one, and I was afraid of all sorts of things. Would it feel too retro-adjacent for its own good? Kitschy? Overdone? God forbid, coldly disconnected from the illustrious history of use in manned space flight which distinguishes previous Moonwatches? Would it seem, in short, a pretender rather than a legitimate heir to the throne?"
I got the sapphire version and have lusted after a Moonwatch since I was a teen. It's so iconic and timeless in style. The new bracelet is absolutely stunning as well. It will be a watch for my son in let's hope many years to come.
Lovely.
I've had the 3861 for a month now, the sharp edges haven't been an issue for me, the watch sits comfortably on the wrist, way better than the previous version due to the slimmer case. The bracelet feels lighter and higher end, big improvement there. The accuracy I'm getting is of approximately +0.5 sec/day and some days less than that!
thanks mate :)
Make a video of your watch while u wear it. It would be nice to get a review from actual owner.
The time accuracy has been same on my 386, its an outstanding watch
I think the antimagnetic improvements alone make this the most desirable Speedy for me.
Finally, someone thinking along the same lines as me!!
More practical and less likely to break!
I agree that a silicon hairspring is a good thing, but I’m wondering what you guys do that would make it the reason to pick one watch over another. In all my life I’ve never magnetised a watch and I’ve never consciously avoided anything magnetic, except for obvious things like leaving them on top of CRT TVs and speakers. I see a silicon hair spring as a nice bonus but wouldn’t factor into my choice at all when shopping for a watch. Silicon escapement on the other hand...
@@james.shafiei Rolex have a watch called the milgaus, so apparently there a large group of people that encounter magnetic fields regularly
@@glenbuyer8738 I have a z-blue milgauss, it’s a professional watch designed for professions such as the scientists that worked on the first particle accelerator. Also, it’s short for Mille Gauss: literally 1,000 gauss. These silicon hairspring watches are rated at 15,000 gauss. Do these people live in an MRI machine? Again, it’s not bad to have a silicon hair spring, but basing your purchase decision on it seems odd to say the least. It has no real practical purpose to most people, whereas a silicon escapement does.
One Word-BRILLIANT! this is when I remember why Hodinkee is the best in delivering content
I added one of these to my collection recently, mainly due to the cool factor of the watch. But as time has gone on, I find myself wearing it more than the others. I got the hesalite version and it is so lightweight and comfortable. I plan on wearing my Speedy for the rest of my life. I like it that much.
I am pretty new to watches so if you are on the fence because of the manual winding, don’t be. I was somewhat reluctant at first because of this but now, this may sound weird, but it is kind of fun to wind it every day or two.
Love that Jack is narrating this one. Two greats in one video! 🙏
The week on the wrist we all wanted, I just didn’t expect it so soon. Great work Hodinkee!
Not really "a week on the wrist" that I expected. I expect less details on the specification and history. Instead, talks more about every day wear, take it outside, go to the train, drive a car. Prefer you focus more on everyday usage. That's "A week on the wrist" to me. This is just like an ordinary review.
Totally agree. I think people can easily get a history lesson on the Speedy and its movements from countless other sources. More interested in the intrinsic wearing experience, and no mention about the overly sharp (not in a good way) finish of the case edges and bracelet? I've seen some comments from owners and people who tried it on about the finishing being rough and scrapes the wearer's skin.
Exactly, do skids in a woollies carpark, punch some cones at ya mates place, tag some trains... put it through it’s paces.
Excellent idea, you should do it!
He should have mentioned the daily variation running fast or slow, what events he used the stopwatch...
Couldn’t agree more. Skip the specs, history, etc. Almost everyone knows the case size and that it went to the moon. But how does it wear and function in real life?
I just got my SS on bracelet on 10.7.23 and I am very pleased with it. I have wanted a "Moonwatch" since the 70's and it looks like my timing is excellent. The 3861 with all its technical / mechanical advancements is amazing. The new 5 link melt on your wrist bracelet with the recently introduced on the fly micro length adjustment. The new stepped dial, lume, domed hands, dot over 90, etc... is close to perfection. I chose the SS because of the durability and the open case back. I love to look at the movement. I am very pleased. It set me back USD 8,000 and is a tremendous value. Oh, yeah did I say it is beautiful. A classy, humble beautiful.
Such a good video!
Thank you
It gives a good overview over the speedmasters vorm the past til now!!
Thanks
Please please please can Jack do more videos. His insight & delivery; in particular his use of language, is both informative & captivating & his knowledge is superb.
Really? All he did was read specs off the Omega homepage.
@@nathanf1934 I'm happy to watch your review and perhaps we can compare & contrast.
@@thatsbod1041 Do you think that Hodinkee should comment on the negative aspects of a watch? Yes or no?
@@Macca-95 definitely; they've always shied away from doing that & that is a negative imo. That being said it's unlikely that Hodinkee would be given a substandard model to review because that could make or break a release. Given some of the comments from others who have actually handled this watch it would be great to see people make those videos as a counterpoint. My comment really was about style & delivery & I happen to find Jack very good at that.
@@thatsbod1041 Hodinkee is definitely sharp with their presentation but I think that today they are unfit for purpose. The point of an industry review site like Hodinkee presents itself is that it can educate the consumers on a product but also push back against the failings of an industry. Hodinkee is not willing to do that today which really just leaves me looking at it not as an industry reviewer but instead just as the industry notice board.
When I hear people complain about higher prices all I can think is they've never ran a business before, the cost of doing business never stops going up. I bought my 16800 Submariner brand new for 880.00 out the door in 1982, the new Speedmaster is worth every penny Omega is asking for it, a true classic!
I just bought one a few days ago in Switzerland to celebrate my birthday. No discount and still I can also confirm it is worth every penny.
@@Richard-yy8tn That's very cool Richard, wear it in good health. Happy Birthday my friend!
@@512bb thank you!
I have always wanted a Speedy Pro and this "relaunch" coincides with my 40th birthday so I'll start and stop my watch collection with this one and hopefully wear it for another 40 years until I can hand it down. Can't wait. It's absolute perfection.
I just received mine. I could tell it’s genuine thanks to the razor sharp edges on the case, lol. It felt like winning a small lottery because I was forced to wait until our anniversary this year. This little piece of steel makes my heart pound so much I need to sit down from time to time.
Very cool, sounds like you hit a grand slam, congratulations!
Brilliant video! Love my brand new Speedy! First ever Omega I’ve owned, and I have some amazing pieces (Panda, Hulk, OP sun-ray to name a few) this Omega, is surprisingly right up there in aesthetics, feel and quality for me
I wonder if there will ever be a “week on the wrist” that concludes with something other than positives. I long for the vid that ends with “to summarise it was dogs**t and I wouldn’t keep it if it was free!”
Enjoyed the vid and Jack speaks very well. But every watch seems to be good with a week to wear it on the wrist!
I think it's hard to say "this watch is objectively bad" since most tastes are subjective, and I don't think they would purposefully waste their time reviewing a terrible watch just for the sake of it.
Exactly! Typical Hodinkee salesmanship. May as well be an Omega infomercial
@@lucioledizerot196 “reviewing” implies offering both sides. For example the lack of adjustment in the bracelet. The price increases over the last few years etc.
Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed the video. But it wasn’t a review.
@@TheRunningManZ I agree that more nuance could have definitely been given, but I was mostly answering the point of doing a review of a piece of shit watch just for the sake of it. I probably also excuse this video more than I should because I like Jack and I know he's a huge speedy fanboy
I think they forgot to mention "This video is brought to you by Omega" in the video ;P . Although I do like the video and think it's a great watch ;P
Great video and a great watch. I would say the 861 did also make it to the moon (orbit not landing) on Apollo and one flown watch was sold at auction (Ron Evans Heat Flow Experiment). That does bring the Moonwatch family together.
Thanks for the comparison of the different movements❤
I have had my Sapphire 3861 for a month and have not had any issues with the overhyped sharp edges or fragility of the bracelet. The watch is almost perfect. Don’t listen to anyone and judge for yourself! The only changes I would make would be an adjustable 3 position clasp and an applied Omega name along with the logo on the dial.
I’m surprised the clasp even has adjustment! I can’t believe anyone would criticize this bracelet, it’s the best speedmaster bracelet I’ve ever seen, and with so many points of articulation it’s probably incredibly comfortable too
they are definitely sharper than they should be but I don't think it really affects the wearing experience
Same! Although I do disagree on the clasp topic… but each to their own, as I guess it’s relative to the owner. An applied ‘Omega’ stamp would’ve made it more of a beast, but that’s ok, as it’s a beast as it is. I’ve had mine for 5 days, and anybody who sees it, calls it a ‘monster’! Congrats on your purchase. Wear yours in good health, and enjoy
@@TheSuaveEntrepreneur it’s massively comfy. Much more comfortable than my 2020 Batman (or Batgirl) and better than the oyster bracelet too
@@hollowmatic Did you try both hesalite and sapphire versions? Which did you end up with? Did you prefer the look of the polished or matte bracelet?
I always like hodinkee's stuff whenever jack is involved. Great tone, imagery, and just overall great explanations from him. Gives a very detailed description every time.
Great video, thanks. The lug to lug is not 20mm however, that the lug WIDTH. The lug to lug is the ‘north to south’ distance from the very tips of the lugs at the 12 O’clock position, to those at the 6th; at least by everybody else’s convention.
My speedy 3861 is never leaving the wrist. Absolute favorite
Just picked mine up! I love it
I love it, I own both new 321 and Hesalite 3861 and for me 3861 wins. The beauty of 321 is unquestionable, but I enjoy having METAS accuracy on my 3861, the only negative is the buckle, it feels cheap.
I bought an 1863 sapphire model last summer on a bracelet from my AD for $4500, and the new version would cost me $7150 with no discounts. While I do appreciate the updated movement, that’s a heck of a price difference to swallow.
I just bought this lovely watch. i am over the moon with this watch
Just got one and the saphire sandwich version and feels very comfortable on the wrist. I enjoy looking at the movement when I'm bored at work
Man, sales pitch if I ever heard one, without going into a single potential negative.
I mean to be fair- Omega doesn’t need Hodinkees help to sell Speedmasters lol. Also, what if Jack legitimately doesn’t see any negatives? I fully acknowledge Hodinkee’s proclivity to shilling, but I don’t think that’s the case here.
@@James-zy4nc What watch has no negatives? This watch has only 2 positions of micro-adjustment, far below the industry standard. Worth no comment?
@@Macca-95....Are you forgetting this is a opinion piece? Jack may not have any negative views on this watch. You can form your own opinion with it on your wrist for a week.
@@67whitegoat4 No I can't. When am I handed an Omega to wear for a week?
The problem with Hodinkee is that because they never comment negatively or critically we don't know if it's perfect or if they're just not being critical.
@@James-zy4nc no objective reviewer can not have negatives, i generally have liked Hodinkee but they really should disclose that this is on no way a review
Another one of the famously unbiased Hodinkee reviews. LOL
the ability to "hack" the movement, and the fact it's an actual chronometer now gives me enough reason to buy
Absolutely.
Just that? I would add that for me those two things plus the fact it will never be affected by magnetic fields, while still maintaining the essence of the Moonwatch dial layout with no date, were more than enough reason to get it so my older OSP from 1968 can get a rest from my wrist.
I would have liked to have seen a ceramic bezel.
@@rhannay39 Wouldn't be good for the puropose of this watch since ceramic shatters much more easily; just like the reason that the regular model still uses hesalite. Maybe they could put ceramic on the sapphire sandwich, but definitely not the hesalite!
@@TheWoWBane I don't care. That's my preference. Thank you.
thank you. great review.
you mentioned how much more flexible the new bracelet is. i thought it's the opposite. i was told the new bracelet has less play. but why they made it this way ??!. in a few years of wear. it'll be even more flexible. and the watch head will sag on the wrist and will look odd.
I've worn my Speedmaster every day for about a year and I still love it. It looks classy yet practical, and despite being told by several watch enthusiasts to not wear it swimming, working, cycling, etc., it's a tough watch! The only drawback is that it has no date function, which I didn't notice until after I bought it.
If you really want a date referance, stop the chrono hand on the second that represents the date ;-)
@@jonathanyuen8820 l had a speedy reduced and I went diving from 5m high. Put the watch on my right hand with pushers facing back. I had no problems.
Excellent show really love to thank you
This is my grail watch. I had one on my wrist in Singapore and was verrrrrry tempted to buy it right then and there because of the exchange rate, but I just made a big expenditure and can’t justify a $5k+ purchase on a watch.
One day. Maybe later this year, but definitely one day.
Loved this!
Great video👍thanks for that🤗
I thought Omega already went upmarket the last few years. Boy was I wrong! That price hurts my eyes.
Wow. Looks great.
Other RUclips sources have critized the sharp edges of the case and lugs and the wristband being abrasive. What is Hodinkee's experience after one week of testing. Can you confirm that comfort and wearability of this watch are in fact compromised ?
This was an excellent video.
Awesome watch!
Thanks, Jack. Over the years, I have always enjoyed your articles and reviews immensely! Having had this watch now (Hesalite version) for over 2 weeks, I can attest to the quality, improvements, and overall comfort of wearing this watch. In addition to the superbly comfortable bracelet (no, I don't notice any sharp edges), the watch sits more comfortable on the wrist. Omega has done a double bevel on the case back, as opposed to the single bevel of the predecessor, and the case is also slightly thinner. It cradles the wrist really, really well. I always had comfort issues with the previous model, so I sold mine a few years ago. I also had a chance to try the Sedna Gold version at the Omega Boutique here in Vancouver. Wow! Cheers, Carl
Great review, a huge contributing factor on my purchase of this watch.
Very nice review. I'll stick with my manual wind 1861.
Nice lug to lug, 20mm👍
How does the 3861 rate vs 9300? I have both and they are equally spectacular but I’m interested in an informed evaluation/comparison of the two movements.
Omega is awesome!
Anyone know if this new bracelet will fit the sapphire sandwhich? Been looking to grab a steel bracelet...
I'm sold. I'm getting one
I can never UNSEE the milk ring of the sapphire crystal on a Speedy. It just HAS TO BE Hesalite for me.
I chose the 1861. It's perfect
I have a Speedy...Pepsi...and 43 SeaDweller.
I am selling the 2 Rolex because I just don't like them as much as the Speedy. It is so comfortable and such a good looking watch...I always find myself picking it up.
How would you compare this to the 321? Especially given the price difference?
It’s a true story ....keep moving 😎😎🙌🙌🙌gracias
Does running the chronograph continuously reduce the power reserve? And if so to what?
Has anyone mentioned the razor sharp edges in the watch and bracelet ? I have seen it talked about elsewhere and was wondering if anyone else has experienced it .
I have had mine for over a month and wear it daily. I have yet to have any issues with the sharp edges.
Really wanna see more content like this
Whose wrist is in the thumbnail and what’s the circumference? Please could anyone tell me? :)
I just bought the 1863 sapphire sandwich, it’s a beaut. I was wondering how frequent should you service your watch?
5 years
Can you imagine being the person putting pretty Speedmasters inside of the machines that expose them to intense heat and vibrations? My heart would break with each test.
It's just an object...
Can anyone comment on what Oisin at the Timeless Watch Channel has said about this new watch having very sharp edges on the case / bracelet? Almost to the point of being uncomfortable and not feeling as luxurious as previous models?
5:55 Lug to lug: 20mm...
Hmm, looks a lot bigger than that ;)
HoDunkeeeee
Would this bracelet fit on the 1863 Sapphire Sandwich? Assuming so
The female end links on the bracelet are worth it alone for people with smaller wrists
How are the edges of the watchcase, are they smooth or as many have reported rather sharp? Once stores reopen I’ll have a look in the dealers and see for myself but to be honest the new Zenith looks a better bet and is probably where my money will go.
The new zenith is always going to be the poor man’s Daytona
@@solo-xbt But I'm a poor man, and the Zenith is a good look and it has a few very useful features that the Daytona just hasn't got, namely; a good price, a display back to see that movement, a date function, an instantly usable chronograph and most importantly, its available to buy. So I will happily be the wearer of a poor man's Daytona and be proud to do so. For me the Zenith is the better watch, others may disagree.
Wow this was a dull video for a watch that I love a lot
I have a question.
It has 50h power reserve. So Can it keep 50h power reserve using chronograph all day long?
Because i use chrono almost 10h a day.
Some says it has horizontal not vertical clutch. So moonwatch can't hold 50h using chrono. maybe 40h.
and also less accurate when the chrono is on.
Is it true?
Never use the chrono, it’s only for show.
Hesalite vs Sapphire. Which is better?
Is this a manual wind only or does it come as an automatic
What's the word on the "razor sharp" unfinished edges ?
Even “Handcuffs: A Week on the Wrist” ended with a positive review.
Is the bracelet or watch sharp?
You should have mentioned the extremely sharp edges on the bracelet.
You don't get anything negative on Hodinkee :)
You experienced it yourself or just watched Oisin’s video?
@@Zeppelin180 tried it on at 2 different omega boutiques. Even the sales rep agreed the finishing was off.
@@ebutuoy1406 haha you haven't tried it on. Don't lie.
@@nathanf1934 no reason to. I urge you to try one on if you haven’t already.
Nice
That bracelet is gorgeous. Now, please change the one on the Seamaster too Omega.
The wave dial seamaster with a tapered bracelet is not only the dream but a potential Rolex killer for me
The Seamaster still has a bit to do before they master the wave bracelet. It’s a little to thick and the clasp is massive. It doesn’t have to taper, but they could add more points of articulation by sizing down the links, make them thinner, give us a smaller clasp , and if need be add a bit more roundness to the links. I think it would be the best way forward.
Yes, agree. That’s just one of the reasons I ended up buying the Planet Ocean.
After owning the new Seamaster for a year I can confirm it’s excellent but it needs a few tweaks to make it perfect. Ironically it needs all the changes that the new Speedmaster has just got and a few more too. A bit slimmer and smaller a tapered bracelet and match the subs bezel clicks. Also a matte dial no date option with a lumed bezel would be perfect 👌🏼 the new speedy is pretty much perfect and I’ve tried it on at least 4 times now to make sure. Omega are definitely making the right moves. (the edges were not sharp just we’ll machined)
@@leeharding8306 literally would be an immediate buy from me if they do update it as you’ve said. Fingers crossed 🤞
Me personally, I really do not care about the technical improvements. It is handy but for me it is not a decider to buy it. I prefer 1861 dial but 3861 bracelet would probably tip the scale.
Lots of comments here asking about the alleged sharp edges. But no answers. Are they as bad as reported?
I fear the sharpness of the watch. I am concerned that it might slit my wrist and slaughter me in a maelstrom of misery and death.
No- controversy gets clicks, the truth can be boring... Had one on wrist for nearly a month and found it incredibly comfortable.
@@awesomeguy2768 good news. Thx
I think people complaining about the sharp edges haven't tried the watch on with the strap or bracelet properly fitted
They are not. I’ve been wearing mine all day for almost 2 weeks now and as long as you don’t wear your watch like a tourniquet your won’t have any issue.
I have enjoyed my Speedmaster Hexalite. Approved by NASA. Was on the Moon. Contributed to the successful return of the Apollo 13 crew. Yet it needs to be improved. What the Hell.
The new bracelet is the best part of the watch.
Lug to lug 20mm? You mean the lug width right?
Does the minute hand now tick over at the 60 second, instead of the 58 or 59
I had this issue on my 1861 and omega fix it during a service. Works perfectly now.
@@benjaminw4385 I've seen so many examples that don't and people seem to accept it which is a bit weird
Jack could make a video on how to properly scrub your toilet, and I would watch.. 🙃
The silver Snoopy is limited? I thought it was gonna be regular production watch 🤷🏽♂️
It's basically impossible to get. They make them in such few quantities it's like waiting for a Daytona or a Patek.
Omega is the best. That is all.
3:39 In fact photos of maintaining & checking the Omega Speedmaster Professional chronograph, not photos of the 1965 NASA tests which were done on a Speedmaster 105.003-63
5:11 As older Speedmaster fans, most of us never paid more than US $ 1500.00 for a Speedmaster so the " slightly higher price " isn't that slightly at all ... ;-D
The question is, has the reported sharpness of the edges sliced your hand off yet haha ?
I recently received one as a gift. I'm not sure what the problem is... The edges may be a bit sharp, but I purposefully tried to cut myself with it to no avail lol.
Either someone's wrist is a massive sausage, or they've been looking hard for something to fault this watch on. If that's the only thing you can fault this watch on (a non-issue for me so far), then I'd say this evolution is pretty solid.
Is it sharp?
At 7k plus, not sure I see the "value" that always made the Speedy so attractive, the movement upgrades are great but you are certainly paying for them a few times over considering it is still missing the originals column wheel. I think at that point I would just go vintage even if it costs a bit more. Would love to pick up a 321, I know its a lot more but then again the "new" one is 14k. At that point the original starts to make a lot more sense.
How is the finishing? Are the edges sharp as hell?
The snoopy 3 is not an LE. wrong info.
Please consider including lug-to-lug dimensions in your reviews.
5:53
@@rodrigoh.1645 That's not lug-to-lug, that's lug width. Lug-to-lug is the span of the case from the 12 o'clock lug tip to the 6 o'clock.
@@logwind yes, I agree 100% I was adding the mark to your comment, to make their mistake more obvious.
what the dot over 90 deal? all the other numbers have dots with the same increment. i dont get it?????
The dot over 90 is a nod back to the original bezel insert and iconic early speedmasters
Like almost every watch enthusiast I caved and bought a Speedmaster Professional (back when they were still reasonably affordable and widely available in good condition for one-third of current MSRP). I enjoyed wearing it and seeing what the fuss is about. But even though I love the 60's chronograph aesthetic the way this particular watch is forced down the throat of any aspiring collector like a goose fed for its foie gras started bothering me. I know this is the watch to gain entry into the club but I'd rather opt out. I don't wear cardigans anyway.
Do you still have yours?
A 6 minute omega commercial... nice
Case is meant to be really sharp?
I was actually in an Omega boutique trying on the new Speedie. I cut the inside of my right index finger requiring 6 stitches.
@@nathanf1934 Oh bull.
I haven't tried it yet but Oisin from TTWC did.
@@nathanf1934 Well I saw it through the window from across the store and it slashed me right under my eye. Careful this one.
@@SuperWhofan1 😜
Msrp is up $850 in the last two years (from the price listed at the end of the video) for the exact same watch. Inflation sucks.
Additional WR to 100m would have been another icing on the cake for the new speedy.
What aren't you mentioning the razor sharp edges? Did you not notice it?
He could have shown the daily variation to how the watch was running.
Jack is pleasant to listen to and is super knowledgeable. However, he didn't mention one negative aspect about the watch or the wearing experience, which made it feel more like a commercial. At least comment on the press around the extremely sharp edges on the bracelet that could affect daily wearability.