You guys are really awesome, thank you so much for spending so much time on this. The only thing that isn't weighed enough imo is how good the transformations are. For example: Broly (Z) is in low tier. But the fact that he 1.) goes to a 9 cost 2.) gets full KI everytime he transformes 3.) is a top 5 character in the game after transforming has to be weighed somehow.
Thank you so much for watching. Let me explain my position and please let me know what you think. Some people do not want to transform but if I did it that way they would be forced to. However the way it is now you can see how good they are if you do not transform as well if you do by looking at the transformation you plan on going to.
@@jgfox3150 oh ok i see your point now! then I would make a different tier list including transformation multipliers because I think DP battles are all about the transformations. I feel like most good players think about characters as their best transformations and how easy it is to get to them.
@@KebapRocker There are big downsides to transforming though. Switch timer resets hurting the teams health auto recover. But everything you're asking for is in this list just look at the transformation you want to go into.
I don't agree with this lists man, the utility and pick rate of Mr satan for example and other similar Characters by high level players they pick them for a reason
Hurcule isn't a viable character. Really, only use is a timer run out strat with higher dp team. Cant really do anything with him by himself without pure spam
The tier list is correct if you are trying to use Mr. Satan but you would 100% be right to just leave him for last and not use him. The extra body is nice but it hurts the team really bad. Health auto recover with cycling 4 characters is 1 health bar per 20seconds, but if you cycle 5 then its 15 seconds.
K I *need* to hear the reasoning behind Cui and Dodoria’s placement, they have been part of my main lineup since day 1 so I can talk about them for days
It is a movement style in sparking. But be careful since there is also high speed movement not in sparking. But to answer your question. High-speed movement- while in sparking have the character move as you press guard and the character will vanish in that direction. Super movement is the same thing while dragon dashing. Only certain characters have these abilities.
Thank you for watching and it counts everything I could calculate. After the intro there is a box on the left that goes through all the calculations. And personally I would say it is extremely accurate. If you would like to point out a character and present why you believe they are out of place I wouldn’t mind exchanging information. For example Whis is DP 10. Meaning to have 4 characters since 5 is impossible with Whis you would need to run 10,2,2,1 so that by itself hurts him incredibly bad. Since having 5 characters is a must with as much switching as possible.
@@jgfox3150 It's very possible if you run Whis on point, his damage is incredibly high and he can kill a low dp character in two combos. He also heals so getting the skill points set up he can get that off winning a vanish exchange or hitting a gut punch. He also has ki blast loops that can do up to 20k damage. Metal cooler is an android so he's op by design, he heals also and more than whis. He never runs out of ki so he wins vanish battles. GBG literally won the Bandai UK sparking tournament with a Whis team last week.
@@BrowneVisuals In DP Battle, it’s important to consider the overall team dynamics, not just individual stats. While Snack Time is a strong factor, it’s also important to note that Whis's stats, when divided by 10, are much weaker compared to Roshi’s stats when divided by 2. Another key point is the timing of character switches. Switching every 10-15 seconds is crucial because it gives your team an extra health bar every 15 seconds. Whis, however, has a 43-second cooldown on his switch, meaning he can’t keep up with that regeneration rate. Plus, without a full team of five characters, you won't have the same health bar advantage. Most teams aren’t made up of low DP characters; you’ll likely be facing teams of 3-4 DP characters, which are more comparable to Whis. For example, would you really say Whis is better than three Recoomes? And even just one Recoome is better than Metal Cooler without needing a second one.
@@jgfox3150 I'd rather fight 3 Racoomes than 1 Cooler. Metal cooler is obscenely oppressive and very hard to kill. Racoome is just a ult and health bot he's not that hard to fight. As far as Whis, we literally just had someone win a major competitive tournament with him so that's all the evidence you need. Low dp are only valuable for stalling but if you put a roshi or videl against a Whis, a strong player will delete their health bars very quickly. Now Whis might not be Meta but he's definitely not Trash tier. A tier the least.
@@BrowneVisuals I went and watched it. The charge ki blast cheese was not calculated and that is the issue with that but the question is should we calculate it? I suppose we calculated other glitches and exploits so I can apply it to all characters with the same ki blast type. But honestly they should patch a lot of things and that one is really big. Thanks for the reference I'll see what I can do with it.
This series doesn't need a tier list in all honesty, its a series not meant to be competitive and I think people who don't have a history playing the series don't see or get that, especially in todays age of fighting games where every single one of them must be balanced and have a super duper competitive tier list and god forbid one is released that is just for fun. DP battle is nice and fun because you can approach your team build in so many ways that making a tier list for it is genuinely impossible due to all the factors and even then it seems like you don't understand the point of DP battle. Like yes SSJ Rose Goku Black is clearly stronger then Base Goku Black, but with a base cost of 5 for Base vs 8 for Rose, picking Base Goku Black still gives you access to Rose (which is a cheap transformation in the grand scheme of things) while saving you points to allow you to pick another character, especially if you don't open with Goku Black when he comes in you can just transform right away. Kid Buu is another example, widely regarded as a team destroyer who can flatten 3 or 4 people on his own with little effort with the ability to heal nearly half his health and here you placed him low? Also having Super Trunks ahead of SSJ Melee or Base Melee Trunks shows you have no idea what you are talking about
Well thank you for watching, apologies if you were disappointed. We do stress the accuracy of our list to the fullest extent. If you believe there is an error then we would love your input. I saw you mentioned super trunks vs melee SS trunks. SS trunks has a bit higher base stats but it seems super trunks has better skills. Everything else between the two is pretty even. If you get time please let us know why you think we are wrong on this analysis 🧐
Was trying to find your other tier list video, and now you make a new new one 😂 perfect timing ❤
You guys are really awesome, thank you so much for spending so much time on this. The only thing that isn't weighed enough imo is how good the transformations are. For example: Broly (Z) is in low tier. But the fact that he 1.) goes to a 9 cost 2.) gets full KI everytime he transformes 3.) is a top 5 character in the game after transforming has to be weighed somehow.
Thank you so much for watching. Let me explain my position and please let me know what you think. Some people do not want to transform but if I did it that way they would be forced to. However the way it is now you can see how good they are if you do not transform as well if you do by looking at the transformation you plan on going to.
@@jgfox3150 oh ok i see your point now! then I would make a different tier list including transformation multipliers because I think DP battles are all about the transformations. I feel like most good players think about characters as their best transformations and how easy it is to get to them.
@@KebapRocker There are big downsides to transforming though. Switch timer resets hurting the teams health auto recover. But everything you're asking for is in this list just look at the transformation you want to go into.
Whoever made the website is the GOAT!
This is an interesting concept for how to do a tier list, but also proof of why pure data doesn’t work for a tier list in reality
? Seems accurate to the characters played online as well
I don't agree with this lists man, the utility and pick rate of Mr satan for example and other similar Characters by high level players they pick them for a reason
Hurcule isn't a viable character. Really, only use is a timer run out strat with higher dp team. Cant really do anything with him by himself without pure spam
The tier list is correct if you are trying to use Mr. Satan but you would 100% be right to just leave him for last and not use him. The extra body is nice but it hurts the team really bad. Health auto recover with cycling 4 characters is 1 health bar per 20seconds, but if you cycle 5 then its 15 seconds.
@@jgfox3150wait… if you gain more health with 5 characters wouldn’t that further support having Hercule?
K I *need* to hear the reasoning behind Cui and Dodoria’s placement, they have been part of my main lineup since day 1 so I can talk about them for days
The only use for Mr Satan is if you have a point left after building the rest of your team
Excellent job brother. Make the gameplay sounds quieter tho
hi, what is super movement and high speed movement?
It is a movement style in sparking. But be careful since there is also high speed movement not in sparking. But to answer your question.
High-speed movement- while in sparking have the character move as you press guard and the character will vanish in that direction.
Super movement is the same thing while dragon dashing.
Only certain characters have these abilities.
@@jgfox3150 thanks!!
Android 17 super is my main. He’s not a bad character by any means
Thanks for watching I like him too. I’m sure he will do better in singles.
Dr. Fox, DBSZ PHD
Is this tier list strictly stats as in defense/offense? Because metal cooler and whis are NOT trash tier. Metal coolers ridiculous.
Thank you for watching and it counts everything I could calculate. After the intro there is a box on the left that goes through all the calculations. And personally I would say it is extremely accurate. If you would like to point out a character and present why you believe they are out of place I wouldn’t mind exchanging information.
For example Whis is DP 10. Meaning to have 4 characters since 5 is impossible with Whis you would need to run 10,2,2,1 so that by itself hurts him incredibly bad. Since having 5 characters is a must with as much switching as possible.
@@jgfox3150 It's very possible if you run Whis on point, his damage is incredibly high and he can kill a low dp character in two combos. He also heals so getting the skill points set up he can get that off winning a vanish exchange or hitting a gut punch. He also has ki blast loops that can do up to 20k damage. Metal cooler is an android so he's op by design, he heals also and more than whis. He never runs out of ki so he wins vanish battles. GBG literally won the Bandai UK sparking tournament with a Whis team last week.
@@BrowneVisuals In DP Battle, it’s important to consider the overall team dynamics, not just individual stats. While Snack Time is a strong factor, it’s also important to note that Whis's stats, when divided by 10, are much weaker compared to Roshi’s stats when divided by 2.
Another key point is the timing of character switches. Switching every 10-15 seconds is crucial because it gives your team an extra health bar every 15 seconds. Whis, however, has a 43-second cooldown on his switch, meaning he can’t keep up with that regeneration rate. Plus, without a full team of five characters, you won't have the same health bar advantage. Most teams aren’t made up of low DP characters; you’ll likely be facing teams of 3-4 DP characters, which are more comparable to Whis.
For example, would you really say Whis is better than three Recoomes? And even just one Recoome is better than Metal Cooler without needing a second one.
@@jgfox3150 I'd rather fight 3 Racoomes than 1 Cooler. Metal cooler is obscenely oppressive and very hard to kill. Racoome is just a ult and health bot he's not that hard to fight. As far as Whis, we literally just had someone win a major competitive tournament with him so that's all the evidence you need. Low dp are only valuable for stalling but if you put a roshi or videl against a Whis, a strong player will delete their health bars very quickly. Now Whis might not be Meta but he's definitely not Trash tier. A tier the least.
@@BrowneVisuals I went and watched it. The charge ki blast cheese was not calculated and that is the issue with that but the question is should we calculate it? I suppose we calculated other glitches and exploits so I can apply it to all characters with the same ki blast type. But honestly they should patch a lot of things and that one is really big. Thanks for the reference I'll see what I can do with it.
Android 16 on broken? Why would that be
Thanks for watching he has a pretty good kit with crazy stats for his DP. Every multiplier is evenly distributed across all characters.
Made it to Z with metal cooler lol
Haha to be fair we forgot coolers android buff and fixed it last night. He is in low tier right above android 13. But yeah he is really bad for a 7.
This series doesn't need a tier list in all honesty, its a series not meant to be competitive and I think people who don't have a history playing the series don't see or get that, especially in todays age of fighting games where every single one of them must be balanced and have a super duper competitive tier list and god forbid one is released that is just for fun. DP battle is nice and fun because you can approach your team build in so many ways that making a tier list for it is genuinely impossible due to all the factors and even then it seems like you don't understand the point of DP battle. Like yes SSJ Rose Goku Black is clearly stronger then Base Goku Black, but with a base cost of 5 for Base vs 8 for Rose, picking Base Goku Black still gives you access to Rose (which is a cheap transformation in the grand scheme of things) while saving you points to allow you to pick another character, especially if you don't open with Goku Black when he comes in you can just transform right away.
Kid Buu is another example, widely regarded as a team destroyer who can flatten 3 or 4 people on his own with little effort with the ability to heal nearly half his health and here you placed him low? Also having Super Trunks ahead of SSJ Melee or Base Melee Trunks shows you have no idea what you are talking about
Well thank you for watching, apologies if you were disappointed. We do stress the accuracy of our list to the fullest extent. If you believe there is an error then we would love your input.
I saw you mentioned super trunks vs melee SS trunks. SS trunks has a bit higher base stats but it seems super trunks has better skills. Everything else between the two is pretty even. If you get time please let us know why you think we are wrong on this analysis 🧐
Couldn’t make it past all the talking in the beginning
No one cares
@@johnwhite4070 you clearly cared enough to type a reply
Sorry to hear that. I’ll try to cut back next time until the end of the video.
Trash tier, my friend
Sorry you feel that way. Could you give some pointers on where we could improve?